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July 15 | 7 | 3 |
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July 18 | 6 | 4 |
July 19 | 13 | 9 |
July 20 | 4 | 3 |
July 21 | 11 | 5 |
July 22 | 7 | 4 |
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July 25 | 17 | 3 |
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July 27 | 10 | 3 |
July 28 | 19 | 7 |
July 29 | 9 | 2 |
July 30 | 6 | 1 |
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Nominations
editOlder nominations
editArticles created/expanded on June 13
edit18th Lok Sabha
... that post enforcement of Women's Reservation Bill in India in the next few years, 33% of women MPs will be required although new Lok Sabha has only 14%?
§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC). General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems:
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Approved only for ALT hook proposed by me. Mehedi Abedin (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dharmadhyaksha and Mehedi Abedin: The article has a citation needed tag and needs copyediting for sentences such as "Parents of Choudhary and Sarojs have been MPs/MLAs and of Jatav have been deputy sarpanch", "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short", etc. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: The tag wasn’t' there when I was inspecting the article as a reviewer. Also the article was good to me in that time and it was edited many times by many users and ip after review. Mehedi Abedin 11:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- CN tag is sorted by some editor. @AirshipJungleman29: What do you want those two sentences to be written as? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:56, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think this needs to be rephrased. '33% of MPs will be required to be women although new Lok Sabha has only 14%?' It's 33 percent of MPs are mandated to be women, not 33 percent of women MPs; there is a fundamental difference. Will Thorpe (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Willthorpe:! ALT1 & 2 have suggested now. @AirshipJungleman29:, your response is also awaited. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- No worries Dharmadhyaksha, glad to help! Will Thorpe (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- This hook feels really wordy, which is why I think it hasn't been promoted yet. Is there any way to trim it a bit? What about this? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT3 ... that although the Indian Constitution has required 33% of MPs to be women since 2023, the Lok Sabha formed in 2024 has only 14%?- @Premeditated Chaos: Well, ALT3 will be factually incorrect as the Reservation Bill is not really implemented yet. It was passed in 2023 and the date of implementation is yet to be decided as there will be delimitation of constituencies after the next Census is completed. Both these major steps (census & then delimitation) are still pending. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- So wait, basically the hook is that the percentage of female MPs is less than what's mandated by a law that isn't even in force yet? I'm not sure I find that particularly surprising or intriguing. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes.... its way less that what would be required by maybe next elections. I understand the hook is becoming un-interesting as we are being factually correct. Hence i was using "will be required" and skipping the part of "when will it be required". If you have any other suggestions, we can think of those too. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- So wait, basically the hook is that the percentage of female MPs is less than what's mandated by a law that isn't even in force yet? I'm not sure I find that particularly surprising or intriguing. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Premeditated Chaos: Well, ALT3 will be factually incorrect as the Reservation Bill is not really implemented yet. It was passed in 2023 and the date of implementation is yet to be decided as there will be delimitation of constituencies after the next Census is completed. Both these major steps (census & then delimitation) are still pending. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 07:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- This hook feels really wordy, which is why I think it hasn't been promoted yet. Is there any way to trim it a bit? What about this? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- No worries Dharmadhyaksha, glad to help! Will Thorpe (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Willthorpe:! ALT1 & 2 have suggested now. @AirshipJungleman29:, your response is also awaited. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
@Dharmadhyaksha and Premeditated Chaos: how's an ALT4: ... that India will need to more than double its current number of women in Parliament under a new law? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Fine by me. In fact, much better than what i had framed. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dharmadhyaksha "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short than the 33% which will be required after the Women's Reservation Bill, 2023 is enforced after the delimitation of constituencies happens post this 2024 elections." That sentence doesn't make much sense without context. Consider rewording it to flow better like the original proposed hooks. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @PrimalMustelid: Sentence has been reworded. Please check and if such minor edits are required, request you to use your discretion under WP:BOLD and do it yourself. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? @Mehedi Abedin: as the original reviewer can you ensure that this article is approved again, or post below what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Looks like there is no issue now. The new hook is okay.Mehedi Abedin 21:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)- I've tagged one section as needing copyediting; I'll try to remember to get around to doing it myself tomorrow. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:13, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- If it needs copyediting, let's not give it a tick yet. Noting that Mehedi Abedin used a non-standard non-substituted tick icon that the bot doesn't understand; please use the standard icon codes located above the edit window in order to properly approve a nomination. Many thanks. Also pinging AirshipJungleman29, in case they want to add that approval icon after the copyedit is completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Waiting for the completion of copyedit. After that I will give tick. Mehedi Abedin 03:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- This has been open for almost two months. The copyedit was in July and hasn't happened yet. Just foreshadowing that I'm about to close this nomination as unsuccessful. Schwede66 22:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Waiting for the completion of copyedit. After that I will give tick. Mehedi Abedin 03:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- If it needs copyediting, let's not give it a tick yet. Noting that Mehedi Abedin used a non-standard non-substituted tick icon that the bot doesn't understand; please use the standard icon codes located above the edit window in order to properly approve a nomination. Many thanks. Also pinging AirshipJungleman29, in case they want to add that approval icon after the copyedit is completed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? @Mehedi Abedin: as the original reviewer can you ensure that this article is approved again, or post below what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @PrimalMustelid: Sentence has been reworded. Please check and if such minor edits are required, request you to use your discretion under WP:BOLD and do it yourself. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Dharmadhyaksha "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short than the 33% which will be required after the Women's Reservation Bill, 2023 is enforced after the delimitation of constituencies happens post this 2024 elections." That sentence doesn't make much sense without context. Consider rewording it to flow better like the original proposed hooks. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 15
editMohan Charan Majhi, 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election
- ... that Mohan Charan Majhi of Bharatiya Janata Party formed the Odisha state government by winning the elections ending the 24-year long Biju Janata Dal rule?
- Source: CNBC TV 18, The Statesman
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Way Less Sad and Template:Did you know nominations/Gloria Dickie
§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 18:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking.
- Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems: - WP:DYKCOMPLETE
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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- Cited:
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: I have copyedited Mohan Charan Majhi, but 2024 Odisha Legislative Assembly election is very poorly-written and needs an extensive copyedit to meet WP:DYKCOMPLETE; if the article updaters are unable, I would recommend nominating it at WP:GOCE, but that may take too long. There is also the problem of the hook not being very interesting. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for copyediting Majhi. I have copyedited the election article now. You can check it and do minor ce if needed. In a democratic country with regular elections, am not sure how many years of incumbency needs to be turned over to make it "very interesting" for DYK. Do we have a DYK guideline for that somewhere? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 19:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, the nomination still needs an interesting hook—one which doesn't describe a basic feature of politics. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- 24 years of overturning a govt is not "basic" in a democratic country. @AirshipJungleman29: there are no specific guidelines for "interestingness". Few days back we had a lead hook about a swimmer swimming at the Olympics. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it's very common; we just had an election here the UK and many such events occurred—Worthing West (UK Parliament constituency) is an example. We do have a guideline for "interestingness"—see WP:DYKINT. I would not have promoted that swimming hook on those grounds. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Single constituency (of 76k electorates) retaining its member for multiple elections is way different than a complete state of 147 constituencies (of 33200k electorates) doing it. If you wanna cite an example, cite one of equal magnitude. You may not be finding it interesting since you have wrong knowledge of elections in India. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The hook is required to be unusual or intriguing for readers with no special knowledge or interest. If the hook is only interesting to those with good knowledge of Indian elections, it does not satisfy the DYK guidelines. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Single constituency (of 76k electorates) retaining its member for multiple elections is way different than a complete state of 147 constituencies (of 33200k electorates) doing it. If you wanna cite an example, cite one of equal magnitude. You may not be finding it interesting since you have wrong knowledge of elections in India. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it's very common; we just had an election here the UK and many such events occurred—Worthing West (UK Parliament constituency) is an example. We do have a guideline for "interestingness"—see WP:DYKINT. I would not have promoted that swimming hook on those grounds. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- 24 years of overturning a govt is not "basic" in a democratic country. @AirshipJungleman29: there are no specific guidelines for "interestingness". Few days back we had a lead hook about a swimmer swimming at the Olympics. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:32, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- No, the nomination still needs an interesting hook—one which doesn't describe a basic feature of politics. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:09, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 19:51, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for copyediting Majhi. I have copyedited the election article now. You can check it and do minor ce if needed. In a democratic country with regular elections, am not sure how many years of incumbency needs to be turned over to make it "very interesting" for DYK. Do we have a DYK guideline for that somewhere? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 17
editValley Falls train collision
- ... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Joel Ross (vibraphonist)
- Comment: Due to the recent controversy over "first" or "earliest" hooks, I have adopted the wording "one of the earliest".
Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:00, 23 June 2024 (UTC).
- Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given the circumstances of the nomination I'm pinging some of the commentors in the recent "first" hooks discussion such as @RoySmith, SL93, and Schwede66: for advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says,
"Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush
. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew saysThe gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew
because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith (talk) 19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)- I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Trainsandotherthings: As this is your nomination, you will know the contents of this article better than a reviewer. I suggest that you propose an ALT1 along with what you suggest above, or several ALTs, so the reviewer can determine the most interesting ones. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says,
- I don't follow the last point. Both the link and the source I use in the article attribute the photograph to L. Wright. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:25, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Given the circumstances of the nomination I'm pinging some of the commentors in the recent "first" hooks discussion such as @RoySmith, SL93, and Schwede66: for advice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
ALT1: ...that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 led to the creation of the first time zone in the United States? Source: America's First Time Zone, the Harvard Gazette "That first voluntary time agreement among the railroads became mandatory a few years later, after an 1853 wreck occurred outside Pawtucket, R.I., on a blind curve known as the Boston Switch...After that, railroad time was mandated along the region’s tracks...The result of all this, said Galison and Schechner, was America’s first time zone" Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given the brouhaha about "first" hooks, we will need a much stronger source for the "first time zone" option, or perhaps a revised version that isn't as strong about it being a "first". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's still interesting if we drop "first". Bremps... 03:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- The issue is really how to present the hook. We've had issues over "first" hooks for a long while, so if it really is the first we have to be sure that it's right. Otherwise, finding a compromise wording is tricky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's still interesting if we drop "first". Bremps... 03:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 21
editChand Sifarish
... that "Chand Sifarish" peaked at #1 on the popularity charts?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:33, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
- The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer 13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the hook is telling me what I think it's trying to tell me, then I would suggest words to the effect of ALT1a: ... that an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" became popular on social media? Also, what makes The Times of India reliable?--Launchballer 13:01, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the song "Chand Sifarish" was produced in the voice of Kishore Kumar and Mohammed Rafi, with the help of Artificial intelligence. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:16, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't have any information about those popularity charts. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:42, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
The hook belongs to Hindustan Times. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done to get this approved? Z1720 (talk) 01:48, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- The sourcing issue still needs to be addressed and Launchballer's objection be lifted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @KunalAggarwal95: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Source is reliable. https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/what-if-kishore-kumar-and-rafi-sang-chand-sifarish-ai-made-video-impresses-people-101705313694145.html KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer 07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Added another source for winning award. No other source found for plagiarism. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Then I suggest that you take that bit out and put something else in to take this back above 1500 characters.--Launchballer 17:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Check KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 08:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer 08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, we definitely can't run with ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that when Anshuman Sharma uploaded an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" to Instagram, his post scored nearly five million views in two days?--Launchballer 13:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 seems good. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 05:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Then another reviewer needs to tick it off.--Launchballer 14:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 seems good. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 05:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that when Anshuman Sharma uploaded an AI-generated cover of Shaan and Kailash Kher's "Chand Sifarish" to Instagram, his post scored nearly five million views in two days?--Launchballer 13:30, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, we definitely can't run with ALT0. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer 08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Check KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 08:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Then I suggest that you take that bit out and put something else in to take this back above 1500 characters.--Launchballer 17:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Added another source for winning award. No other source found for plagiarism. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 17:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer 07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Source is reliable. https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/what-if-kishore-kumar-and-rafi-sang-chand-sifarish-ai-made-video-impresses-people-101705313694145.html KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @KunalAggarwal95: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 02:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- The sourcing issue still needs to be addressed and Launchballer's objection be lifted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 22
editKeegan Baker
- ... that an EastEnders storyline depicting Keegan Baker and Shakil Kazemi being stabbed was considered "one of the most important the show has ever embarked on" by executive consultant John Yorke?
- Source: Hughes, Johnathon (22 March 2018). "EastEnders to tackle knife crime in hard-hitting new storyline". Radio Times. Archived from the original on 2 July 2018. Retrieved 17 June 2024.
- ALT1: ... that the wedding between EastEnders characters Keegan Baker and Tiffany Butcher was confirmed after actors Zack Morris and Maisie Smith were seen filming it on-location? Source: Dainty, Sophie (24 September 2019). "EastEnders films a surprise wedding that nobody saw coming". Digital Spy. Archived from the original on 4 November 2021. Retrieved 21 June 2024.
- Reviewed:
FishLoveHam (talk) 15:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
- @FishLoveHam: As written, this would deserve {{long plot}} and {{over-quotation}}. Ping me when you've fixed these and I will give this a proper review.--Launchballer 17:59, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
DI MA-1 Mk. III
- ... that the DI MA-1 Mk. III rifle was made in Myanmar without license despite claims that it was made entirely in Myanmar?
- ALT1: ... that Chinese media criticized Myanmar for making the DI MA-1 Mk. III rifle without permission from China? Source: https://kienthuc.net.vn/quan-su/trum-dao-nhai-vu-khi-trung-quoc-to-cao-myanmar-sao-chep-sung-qbz-97-1452588.html (check specifically at https://kienthuc.net.vn/quan-su/trum-dao-nhai-vu-khi-trung-quoc-to-cao-myanmar-sao-chep-sung-qbz-97-1452588.html#p-5#p-5)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gmac Cash
- Comment: Not sure if the hook ideas are fine. Had to rely on mostly Chinese (and one Vietnamese) source.
Ominae (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral: - Debatable. I don't see a single source that actually agrees that the rifle is actually indigenous, as the Myanma claim. At the same time, I don't see a single Myanma source. I suspect these two issues are related. I understand Myanmar does not have a great media compared to the US and China, but not a single source? Even a government press release? How did the Chinese and English language sources get the information that Myanmar claims the rifle is indigenous?
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
- Other problems: - See below.
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: * The words "despite" both in hook 1 and in the article seems misplaced. Was made in Myanmar despite claims of being made in Myanmar? Despite claims it was indigenous it was made without license? I think what you're trying to say is something like "is an unlicensed clone despite claims of being made indigenously", which is what Military Today says.
- For hook 2, I worry about a Vietnamese source citing Chinese media about a Myanma rifle (for an English language article!). I don't see an article about kienthuc.net.vn, but looking at the site, it seems to have Very Intrusive ads, which at least in the US is usually a sign of low quality. Is it really a high quality source? Any chance we can find the actual Chinese media source they're talking about?
Then there are other issues; you don't technically have to fix all of these, but addressing some might be good.
- Lowercase "bullpup" in lede
- "The MA designation on the weapon means Myanmar Army"
- Why is Myanmar Army bolded?
- What does DI mean?
- Link Tatmadaw (History) and QBZ-97 (Lede)
- History: Can you explain that the EMER-K1 was also a QBZ-97 clone? You sort of hint at this but don't say it outright.
- " they were reported to be suitable for the Tatmadaw in jungle operations and for use by an average Myanma soldier." Er - what is the difference between the Tatmadaw and an average Myanma soldier? Aren't the Tatmadaw the majority of Myanma armed forces?
- "ergonic"? GRuban (talk) 20:12, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
@GRuban:: I did most of the editing based on your suggestions. I removed the "despite" part from the article and switched it to another word. And yeah, I'm trying to use something like that based on the MT article. For any Myanma-based article, I could only find those written/uploaded on reddit, facebook or Youtube, either by the pro-Tatamadaw/PDF crowd, which aren't a good source. In addition, the Myanmar Directorate of Defence Industries doesn't put up a website (likely) as part of an effort to mask their production/related info. Some of the info done is based on research done by those who use open source information. While the DDI debuted with new brochures and all in Thailand in 2019, they didn't show brochures for the MA-1 Mk III.
For Chinese articles, I'll try and see if there's anything worthwhile to add. It's the only area that's worth going on. It wouldn't surprise me if it's mostly because the Tatmadaw went behind China's back to clone the QBZ-97 without at least notifying Beijing. It's also likely the only place to go to. Ominae (talk) 02:56, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks; I also made minor changes to the article, and it's mostly OK. However, the key point for DYK is the hook, and I worry about both the "claims" and "criticised" lines of the suggested hooks. Do you have another idea? How about something as straightforward as "...was made in Myanmar as a reverse engineered copy of the Chinese ...?" --GRuban (talk) 14:16, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 23
editLahug Airport
- ... that the Cebu IT Park was originally where Lahug Airport was?
- Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [2]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Accessibility of transport in London
TheNuggeteer (talk) 05:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough: - After copyediting, it does not meet the 1,500-character threshold.
Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - Needs better sources to back claims.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.
QPQ: - Still needed.
Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce 01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I reviewed a DYK nom for QPQ, and I fixed the longevity problem, for another alt, I suggest:
*ALT2 ... that the first papal mass in Cebu was held at Lahug Airport? Source: [3]
Anyway, can you tell me which sources aren't reliable? TheNuggeteer (talk) 02:39, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- "PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce 02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: PacificWrecks seems pretty popular and reliable, but in case, I found this website, which seems like a copy of a book? And the other statement about the CDN piece, yes, It seems like that, but they would not change the facts, since they are one of the most reliable sources in Cebu City. And the 3rd and last statement, yes, It feels like that, but it was pretty old, so im not sure about the last one.
Thanks,🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
04:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)- There still isn't sufficient citations; coverage of the papal mass from beyond the one author (Oaminal) would be ideal. SounderBruce 01:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce:Found six citations, SunStar, Augnet, The Vatican, CDN (another), Inquirer, and a Reuters video (which stated that there were a million people, which probably can be included in the hook.)
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
07:18, 16 July 2024 (UTC)- @SounderBruce: Does the above satisfy your concerns? If not, what else needs to happen to get this approved? Z1720 (talk) 23:18, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce:Found six citations, SunStar, Augnet, The Vatican, CDN (another), Inquirer, and a Reuters video (which stated that there were a million people, which probably can be included in the hook.)
- There still isn't sufficient citations; coverage of the papal mass from beyond the one author (Oaminal) would be ideal. SounderBruce 01:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @SounderBruce: I reviewed a DYK nom for QPQ, and I fixed the longevity problem, for another alt, I suggest:
New reviewer needed unless SounderBruce returns. Z1720 (talk) 19:54, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer: Those citations need to be added to the article (and could help expand it a bit more). SounderBruce 22:07, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Done, just needs checking.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Done, just needs checking.
Cobra Crack
- ... that when Didier Berthod failed to make the first free ascent of Cobra Crack (pictured) in 2005, he quit climbing and became a Franciscan monk, but returned in 2024 to make the 20th ascent?
- Source: Climbing Mazine, PlanetMountain
Aszx5000 (talk) 13:57, 23 June 2024 (UTC).
- Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Berthod's becoming a Franciscan monk is not mentioned in the article Aszx5000. Personally, I would be inclinde to remove the last nine words of the hook per WP:DYKTRIM. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29:, I have added his vocation to the article now; no problem trimming but I think the fact that he returned to ascend it is a great part of the story (and hook)? Aszx5000 (talk) 16:24, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Berthod's becoming a Franciscan monk is not mentioned in the article Aszx5000. Personally, I would be inclinde to remove the last nine words of the hook per WP:DYKTRIM. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been resolved? Z1720 (talk) 17:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Aszx5000 A few things need to be rephrased per Earwig. Even little parts like "the first free ascent" and "one of the hardest crack climbs in the world" can, and should, be rephrased. Those are just two examples. SL93 (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Aszx5000: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 19:55, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Embassy of the Philippines, Amman
- ... that a diplomat at the Philippine Embassy in Amman was accused of running a sexual exploitation ring?
- Source: "Bello said at a news conference that two of the embassy personnel, whom he identified as officers of the Philippine Overseas Labor Office in the Jordanian capital Amman and in Kuwait, were involved in running sex rings in those two places that send Filipinas to service wealthy clients." – Philippine Daily Inquirer
- Reviewed: Bengisu Avcı
Sky Harbor (talk) 08:05, 29 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Sky Harbor: A QPQ has yet to be provided despite it being over a week since the nomination. Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, or else the nomination will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- QPQ review done, Narutolovehinata5. Thank you again for your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 16:57, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Narutolovehinata5. If you're wondering why I've not been able to work on this nomination, it's because I am currently in Turkey for work-related travel. I will work on the QPQ within the next 1-2 days, and thank you for your patience. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- The nominator hasn't edited since July 1st and has not provided a QPQ. Marking for closure as abandoned, without prejudice against it continuing if the nominator returns or another editor adopts this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for a QPQ, this still needs a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are you going to review this? If you aren't, can I review this?
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
11:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)- Yes, I wasn't planning to give this a review, so someone else will need to do it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Are you going to review this? If you aren't, can I review this?
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Good to go! 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
12:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Pulled and reopened per query at WT:DYK, this is a fairly unambiguous violation of WP:DYKBLP, "Hooks that unduly focus on negative aspects of living persons should be avoided". Not quite sure why this was approved and promoted. A new hook will be needed, and more generally I wonder if the article itself is compliant with WP:BLPCRIME. The embassy official isn't named, but as a non-public figure we shouldn't have accusations if a conviction wasn't secured. The article doesn't seem to say what the conclusion of this saga was, it's sort of left hanging currently. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 07:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
I've solved the problem by removing the entire paragraph from the article. RoySmith (talk) 12:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is not a good hook in the article, it describes an ordinary embassy doing ordinary embassy things. It may be possible to do something with "A Filipina private secretary to Queen Alia, Ms. Elnora Agulto, was also part of the King's delegation" if added into the article, although hooks that come to mind are about Jordan-Philippine relations rather than this embassy. CMD (talk) 12:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: At WT:DYK, I suggested "that although diplomatic relations between the Philippines and Jordan were established in 1976, the Philippines would not open an embassy there until 1980?", which RoySmith was "fine with running", however you said you didn't think it was "that unusual". What hook would you suggest?--Launchballer 12:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be OK with that one. Yeah it's perhaps not the most unusual thing, but this is an embassy - it's hardly going to have anything of earth-shattering about it, other than the BLPCRIME issue already mentioned and which I don't regard as suitable. I'd replace would not open... with did not open... myself, but otherwise fine with LB's suggestion. — Amakuru (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, I agree that it's not a particularly exciting hook, but at least it's not categorically unsuitable as the first one was :-) RoySmith (talk) 13:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's nothing else I can see in the article that stands out other than maybe it also being in charge of Filipinos in Palestinian territories, or maybe the showing of Filipino films. Maybe the article just isn't a good fit for DYK after all, although given how my comment appears to go against consensus there's not much I can do. I do think that this "we can use relatively uninteresting hooks if there are no other options" thing needs to at best be used sparingly. A bad hook is sometimes worse than not running the article at all, and we have to be more willing to reject nominations that are just bad fits. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can't read Filipino, but the one used for its films has the phrase "Women's Film Week" in its title. Jordan is not a country known for gender equality. What's in that source?--Launchballer 14:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- If there's nothing interesting to write a hook about, then by all means reject it. RoySmith (talk) 14:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, everyone. I'm a bit perplexed here as I don't understand how the article as it was originally written violates WP:BLPCRIME, especially given that first, the article isn't about a specific living person (the normal scope of BLP-related policy), and second, the incident in question caused quite a response in the Philippine media and by politicians in the Philippines. Given that worse things have happened, such as a similar incident at the Philippine Embassy in Damascus (which, by the way, made it to DYK with a hook pointing out that incident), I don't understand how this is suddenly seen as being non-compliant when the other one was. I am all for finding alternative hooks where they can be found, but excising the information from the article given that it is relevant to the history of the mission itself boggles me.
- If there's nothing interesting to write a hook about, then by all means reject it. RoySmith (talk) 14:53, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I can't read Filipino, but the one used for its films has the phrase "Women's Film Week" in its title. Jordan is not a country known for gender equality. What's in that source?--Launchballer 14:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- There's nothing else I can see in the article that stands out other than maybe it also being in charge of Filipinos in Palestinian territories, or maybe the showing of Filipino films. Maybe the article just isn't a good fit for DYK after all, although given how my comment appears to go against consensus there's not much I can do. I do think that this "we can use relatively uninteresting hooks if there are no other options" thing needs to at best be used sparingly. A bad hook is sometimes worse than not running the article at all, and we have to be more willing to reject nominations that are just bad fits. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- FWIW, I agree that it's not a particularly exciting hook, but at least it's not categorically unsuitable as the first one was :-) RoySmith (talk) 13:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'd be OK with that one. Yeah it's perhaps not the most unusual thing, but this is an embassy - it's hardly going to have anything of earth-shattering about it, other than the BLPCRIME issue already mentioned and which I don't regard as suitable. I'd replace would not open... with did not open... myself, but otherwise fine with LB's suggestion. — Amakuru (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: At WT:DYK, I suggested "that although diplomatic relations between the Philippines and Jordan were established in 1976, the Philippines would not open an embassy there until 1980?", which RoySmith was "fine with running", however you said you didn't think it was "that unusual". What hook would you suggest?--Launchballer 12:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- I should also note that while not included in the original version of the paragraph "excised" by RoySmith, the diplomat himself has been named in the press – as seen here in an article in the Pilipino Star Ngayon (in Tagalog/Filipino) – and more information about the conclusion of the probe can be included in the article as opposed to removing it entirely. --Sky Harbor (talk) 17:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The gist of WP:SUSPECT is
editors must seriously consider not including material ... that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured.
RoySmith (talk) 20:21, 24 July 2024 (UTC)- Having done some additional digging, RoySmith, the diplomat in question was suspended, and was also not given a new foreign assignment. Given this new information I'll proceed with restoring the information you removed from the article, adding the new information found here, and hopefully this is sufficient to proceed with the DYK for this article. --Sky Harbor (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- You can do that, of course. I don't think it's a good idea, but I'm not the ultimate arbiter of what's a good idea or not. RoySmith (talk) 21:06, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- Having done some additional digging, RoySmith, the diplomat in question was suspended, and was also not given a new foreign assignment. Given this new information I'll proceed with restoring the information you removed from the article, adding the new information found here, and hopefully this is sufficient to proceed with the DYK for this article. --Sky Harbor (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The gist of WP:SUSPECT is
- I should also note that while not included in the original version of the paragraph "excised" by RoySmith, the diplomat himself has been named in the press – as seen here in an article in the Pilipino Star Ngayon (in Tagalog/Filipino) – and more information about the conclusion of the probe can be included in the article as opposed to removing it entirely. --Sky Harbor (talk) 17:47, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- To clarify, my objection with the 1980 hook proposal is like this. First, establishing diplomatic relations does not necessarily mean the opening of an embassy. Indeed, the Philippines has relations with almost every nation on Earth, but it doesn't mean that it has an embassy in all of them. In fact, there are other countries that the Philippines has long had relations with but has yet to establish an embassy there. And a gap of four years isn't really that impressive: longer gaps are not unheard of even for other countries. In any case, if a new hook cannot be proposed then unfortunately the nomination will probably have to be marked as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the objection to the original hook has been addressed in the article (there was a finality to the case which has since been added), Narutolovehinata5, would it be better to rewrite ALT0 as follows (as ALT2)?
“ | ...that while a diplomat at the Philippine Embassy in Amman was implicated in a sexual exploitation scandal, he was ultimately suspended on unrelated charges? | ” |
- This may be a bit longer than the hook length requirement but I'm open to any revisions that can be made to reduce the length. --Sky Harbor (talk) 12:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- You will have to ask the other editors who objected to that angle on BLP grounds if the article changes are sufficient to address their concerns. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- This may be a bit longer than the hook length requirement but I'm open to any revisions that can be made to reduce the length. --Sky Harbor (talk) 12:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 24
editDus Bahane
- ... that the 2005 song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but the director Anubhav Sinha insisted Abhishek Bachchan and Zayed Khan?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 10:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
- @KunalAggarwal95: Not a review, but the hook is nonsensical, and the Times of India is yellow on WP:RSP.--Launchballer 16:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a deprecated source. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer 22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- as no other sources provide information. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but was shot in 10 hours and became the most played song of 2005?— Preceding unsigned comment added by KunalAggarwal95 (talk • contribs)
- Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer 07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- New hook: ALT1 ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" wasn't supposed to be shot, but was shot in 10 hours and became the most played song of 2005?— Preceding unsigned comment added by KunalAggarwal95 (talk • contribs)
- I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer 19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- as no other sources provide information. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer 22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- It is not a deprecated source. KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Henrik Igityan National Centre for Aesthetics
... that the world's first childrens' art museum has 150,000 artworks by children in its collection?Source: no. of artworks=https://armeniadiscovery.com/en/articles/national-center-of-aesthetics & 'world's first'=https://www.thecaucasustours.com/childrens-art-gallery/- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jenny Hurn
- Comment:
Lajmmoore (talk) 21:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Lajmmoore: Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps... 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, yes, there is an image! I'm also not convinced the licensing checks out. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oh, yes, there is an image! I'm also not convinced the licensing checks out. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps... 10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT1... that the Yerevan Children's Art Gallery shows "the unexpected beauty of children’s art"? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186
- Forgot to sign and ping people yesterday (blame my tired eyes), but I think the article is now improved @Theleekycauldron: & @Bremps:, thanks for your input! Lajmmoore (talk) 13:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- All right, fair enough. But the hook can't be phrased in wikivoice, so we'll need an ALT that provides some attribution. Let me know when the other changes have been made :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Theleekycauldron: - I've added a couple of new citations and trimmed the NCA ones now - I don't think they support anything contentious, just numbers of artworks. I've also toned down the "world's first"-ness. In terms of an ALT2, how about:
- All right, fair enough. But the hook can't be phrased in wikivoice, so we'll need an ALT that provides some attribution. Let me know when the other changes have been made :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2... that Zhanna Aghamiryan described how paintings at Yerevan Children's Art Gallery (pictured) showed future generations "the unexpected beauty of children’s art"? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186
- What do you think? Lajmmoore (talk) 23:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Does the above satisfy your concerns, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: I've removed some of the references, so the article looks fine now – i didn't catch earlier that the quote is from the director of the museum, and now I feel uncomfortable approving it. if it were from an independent source, i might've gone ahead, but i'm a bit concerned about puffery now. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Theleekycauldron: Does the above satisfy your concerns, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:19, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- What do you think? Lajmmoore (talk) 23:27, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2... that Zhanna Aghamiryan described how paintings at Yerevan Children's Art Gallery (pictured) showed future generations "the unexpected beauty of children’s art"? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186
A couple of further options @Theleekycauldron::
- ALT3... that Zhanna Aghamiryan described how paintings at Yerevan Children's Art Gallery (pictured) were "psychological documents" as well as art? Source: https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000063186
- ALT4 ... that the founding of Yerevan Children's Art Gallery led to the development of a national aesthetics centre? Garoian, Charles R. (1994). "Teaching Art as a Matter of Cultural Survival: Aesthetic Education in the Republic of Armenia". Journal of Aesthetic Education. 28 (2): 83–94. doi:10.2307/3333273.
Either of these work better? Lajmmoore (talk) 09:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Lajmmoore: how about this instead? ALT5: ... that one Soviet children's art museum kept no records of its operation for over 20 years? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hmmm, with my "i'm a museum curator" hat on, it's not a DYK i like as it sounds a bit negligent, but I do totally see why that theme might be suggested. Maybe we can tweak it to:
- ALT6 ... that Yerevan Children's Art Museum kept no records from the 1970s to 1990s as self-protection? Lajmmoore (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 25
editAshin Munindabhivamsa
... that Myanmar’s junta Min Aung Hlaing publicly apologized religious leaders for the firearm death of Shindan Sayadaw, a prominent scholar monk who was shot by the Tatmadaw soldiers in June 2024?Source: VOA Burmese, The Irrawaddy- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hypochrysops piceatus
- Comment: The subject was also nominated for ITN as RD.
Htanaungg (talk) 10:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: The article appeared in the news before, and the hook does not seem interesting because these types of killings are common. Considering the reply of the nominator. I feel life ALT2 is more interesting. TheNuggeteer (talk) 00:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @TheNuggeteer: Thank you for the review. Per WP:DYKNEW, I’ve mentioned in the comment that the subject is listed only in RD section of the ITN, not bold link.
- Although this type of killing may be common elsewhere, it is a rare case in the highly religious country that a prominent religious figure was shot dead by the ruling junta’s soldiers. Plus, it is very few that the junta apologized publicly; he would never show his weakness in public.
- I’d like to nominate another ALTs:
- ALT1: ...that Myanmar’s junta Min Aung Hlaing publicly apologized for the firearm death of Shindan Sayadaw, a few days after his spokesman blamed the opposition armed groups for the case?
- ALT2: ...that the assassination of Shindan Sayadaw in June 2024 led to a confrontation between the Burmese military and the religious leaders?
- Regards, Htanaungg (talk) 03:36, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Alts to be reviewed, per nom request. Kingsif (talk) 21:30, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: although TheNuggeteer's comment about ALT2 was made after the ALTs were proposed, the timestamp wasn't updated, so it isn't clear what order things were posted. TheNuggeteer, if you are formally approving ALT2—that is, you've fully checked it and think it's the one that should be promoted—please be more specific below and include a new icon (tick) to supersede the "review again" icon just above my post. Thank you. I have struck the original hook because you said it doesn't seem interesting. As the ITN appearance was in the "Recent deaths" section, the nomination is not disqualified per DYK rules. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I accept the alts, inlcuding alt 2. TheNuggeteer (talk) 03:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 seems misleading—there was no actual "confrontation" in the article, merely a disagreement over what response was suitable. I also don't find ALT1 that interesting—it's pretty clunky. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I accept the alts, inlcuding alt 2. TheNuggeteer (talk) 03:50, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 26
editNot in Love (Crystal Castles song)
- ... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
Skyshiftertalk 22:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- Man, I haven't heard this record in years. @Skyshifter: Not a review, but I would question whether this deserves a standalone article when the content could be merged into Not in Love (Platinum Blonde song). This would not affect eligibility here because it can run as a 5x expansion.--Launchballer 18:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk 18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer 18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
Brandiose
- ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas led to the team selling $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
- Reviewed:
Kimikel (talk) 15:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- I think I'll review this, but I'll have to request a second opinion as this will be my first DYK review. GoldRomean (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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- Cited: - The source provided says that the $4 million in sales is based on the team name, not Brandiose's design.
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Overall: My first DYK review and I'm not sure about the hook, so requesting another reviewer. Thank you. GoldRomean (talk) 02:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
- @GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
- @Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
- @GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
- @Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
- ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
- Kimikel (talk) 00:09, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @GoldRomean: Is the above ALT approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 01:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: @Kimikel: Apologies, I wrote a reply, probably forgot to publish it, and forgot about this till now. I think there needs to be better sourcing for the alt, like, a source that more directly backs up the hook. I want a second opinion anyway, but that's just my two cents. Sorry again :D. GoldRomean (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Windy Zhan
... that Windy Zhan (pictured) is a member of the Hong Kong Cantopop girl group After Class who has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
- Source: "詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "After Class...成員...詹天文(Windy)...,她在5歲時已隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
- "與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "5歲開始隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習聲樂"
- "聲夢小花|詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄 Windy音樂造詣高5歲學聲樂【多圖】". Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 18 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "Windy在5歲起跟隨專業女高音歌唱家王珊、戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
- "《聲夢》詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄成顧嘉煇王力宏師妹 5歲跟名師學聲樂屢獲獎". Headline Daily (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "TVB歌唱節目《聲夢傳奇》首季參賽者詹天文(Windy)雖然沒有得到三甲名次,但憑出色歌藝被選中加入女子組合After Class...,5歲已跟專業女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
- Reviewed:
Will629 (talk) 19:13, 26 June 2024 (UTC).
- Hello, Will629. The nomination is timely and the article is long enough with no copyvios detected. Several entries in the Discography table, as well as the Awards and nominations table, appear unsourced, though. These would require references. I think it can use some tweaking for catchiness; how about this?--NØ 19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
- MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--Will629 (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ 20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much again!--Will629 (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Will629 and MaranoFan: is this unusual or interesting enough? Out of interest, I just looked at a number of other famous singers—all had started before the age of seven. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- +1 from me, I'd say. We get a lot of these types of hooks, ironically enough, and they usually don't perform too well. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Will629: A new hook is needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was highly praised by Taiwanese netizens for her performance in singing the Queen of the Night aria in June 2023?
- @AirshipJungleman29: Is that okay?--Will629 (talk) 19:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The website it is sourced to looks extremely tabloidy. See WP:NOTGOSSIP. The hook needs to be cited to a reliable source, and orientalsunday.hk doesn't look like one. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: I have added few more sources, is that okay?--Will629 (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- And the corresponding lines are (although in Chinese):
- @AirshipJungleman29: I have added few more sources, is that okay?--Will629 (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- The website it is sourced to looks extremely tabloidy. See WP:NOTGOSSIP. The hook needs to be cited to a reliable source, and orientalsunday.hk doesn't look like one. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Will629: A new hook is needed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:12, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- +1 from me, I'd say. We get a lot of these types of hooks, ironically enough, and they usually don't perform too well. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Will629 and MaranoFan: is this unusual or interesting enough? Out of interest, I just looked at a number of other famous singers—all had started before the age of seven. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you very much again!--Will629 (talk) 20:59, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ 20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--Will629 (talk) 19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class has been learning and practising vocal music since the age of five?
- "詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年,她在學校舉辦的社際音樂比賽演唱了一段莫札特《魔笛》中「夜后」其中一段,影片在台灣hit爆,更被形容為「聲樂界的明日之星」"
- "與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "去年參加學校舉辦的音樂比賽,演唱了莫札特《魔笛》中「夜后」其中一段,片段在台灣爆紅,被譽為「聲樂界的明日之星」。"
- "聲夢小花|詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄 Windy音樂造詣高5歲學聲樂【多圖】". Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from the original on 18 April 2024. Retrieved 24 July 2024.: "就讀國際基督教優質音樂中學的Windy,她在學校社際音樂比賽中演唱莫札特《魔笛》中的「夜后」,盡展實力,影片更在台灣爆紅"--Will629 (talk) 19:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been addressed? If not what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, not really; the above churnalism all saying variations of "random people liked the performance on Twitter" aren't a good source to build a hook off. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was enrolled in the Xinghai Conservatory of Music in Guangzhou, China in 2024?
- @AirshipJungleman29: For your last comment, I don't think they are churnalism as they do report the news, and it is not Twitter but Facebook. But anyway, I hope this new hook is okay and again, these are the local news sources that I could find. Actually they already constitute most of the mainstream news sources that are referring to the news itself. If it still doesn't meet the requirements, I would really like to hear your suggestions. Thank you.--Will629 (talk) 22:55, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that Windy Zhan (pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group After Class was enrolled in the Xinghai Conservatory of Music in Guangzhou, China in 2024?
- No, not really; the above churnalism all saying variations of "random people liked the performance on Twitter" aren't a good source to build a hook off. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29: Have your concerns been addressed? If not what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 20:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 28
editJab Se Tere Naina
- ... that Ranbir Kapoor gave close to 100 takes for the 2007 Hindi-language song "Jab Se Tere Naina"?
- Reviewed:
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 16:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
List of people who use their middle names as their first names
- ... that brothers Mike McCartney and Paul McCartney, and sisters Dakota Fanning and Elle Fanning, use their middle names as their first names?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: All four articles have free images, if one is used, I prefer Paul McCartney since it is a FA
Isaidnoway (talk) 10:14, 30 June 2024 (UTC).
- @Isaidnoway: Inspired by last month's most viewed hook, might I suggest: ALT1: ... what the UK prime ministers Gordon Brown, James Callaghan, Neville Chamberlain, Anthony Eden, Boris Johnson, Bonar Law, Ramsay MacDonald, Harold Macmillan, Liz Truss, and Harold Wilson have in common? (it's 200 characters, so no room for 'all').--Launchballer 15:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's my understanding that this is Did you know that ... per WP:DYK. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I guess. They must have missed that at Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 200#"First" hooks when they proposed that hook. Full review needed.--Launchballer 19:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's my understanding that this is Did you know that ... per WP:DYK. Isaidnoway (talk) 16:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Sport in Vatican City
- ... that sport in Vatican City started in the 1st century, when a chariot racing track was built in what was then ancient Rome?
- ALT1: ... that in the aftermath of World War II, sport in Vatican City was encouraged by Pope Pius XII? Source: [10]
- Reviewed:
Arconning (talk) 09:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Source 1 doesn't seem to mention the facts in the hook, and the second source seems somewhat partisan and I'm somewhat suspicious of the quality of an article starting with "Did You Know". Does the academic source mentioned in the same paragraph in this article ([11]) mention it in any way? That would be much better. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 06:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Flemmish Nietzsche: Sadly, the academic source doesn't back the claim up but it does back up the claim that an area in the Vatican was once a chariot racing track. Though I'm not sure what's Wikipedia's and the DYK's policy on "possibly statements" (i.e. ...that sport in Vatican City possibly started in the 1st century, when a chariot racing track was built in what was then ancient Rome?" I suggest using ALT1 instead if that's the case. Though I can make another hook if it isn't interesting enough. Arconning (talk) 06:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Arconning I checked that journal I suggested, fand you're right about it not being definite that the chariot track ever actually existed there. ALT1 is not the most interesting, but I could accept it if there's nothing else better you can find. How about "... that sport in Vatican City began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?" This might not be the "start" of sport in the area that is now the Vatican, but it seems to be the first major event when that area was under the control of an independent Papal State, so I think it would pass. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 07:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Flemmish Nietzsche For the hook that you suggested, I'm all for it but with some minor tweaks. Since we can't really determine when sport in Vatican City really started, I think we should put something like "governed by the nation", "started by the nation", or something shorter. (i.e. ... that sport in Vatican City started by the nation began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?"). Arconning (talk) 07:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Arconning "started by the nation" seems somewhat iffy, as it could be confused with "nation" meaning a group of people sharing a common identity rather than a sovereign state; maybe "state-sponsored" or "officially" would be better? (... that state-sponsored sport in Vatican City began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?") Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 07:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Flemmish Nietzsche "Officially" works fine with me. Arconning (talk) 07:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that sport in Vatican City officially began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?" Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 07:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Flemmish Nietzsche "Officially" works fine with me. Arconning (talk) 07:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Arconning "started by the nation" seems somewhat iffy, as it could be confused with "nation" meaning a group of people sharing a common identity rather than a sovereign state; maybe "state-sponsored" or "officially" would be better? (... that state-sponsored sport in Vatican City began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?") Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 07:45, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Flemmish Nietzsche For the hook that you suggested, I'm all for it but with some minor tweaks. Since we can't really determine when sport in Vatican City really started, I think we should put something like "governed by the nation", "started by the nation", or something shorter. (i.e. ... that sport in Vatican City started by the nation began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?"). Arconning (talk) 07:38, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Arconning I checked that journal I suggested, fand you're right about it not being definite that the chariot track ever actually existed there. ALT1 is not the most interesting, but I could accept it if there's nothing else better you can find. How about "... that sport in Vatican City began in the 16th century with the first ever match of calcio fiorentino, an early form of football?" This might not be the "start" of sport in the area that is now the Vatican, but it seems to be the first major event when that area was under the control of an independent Papal State, so I think it would pass. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 07:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Unpromoted per discussion at WT:DYK, pending selection of a better hook. RoySmith (talk) 22:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bringing over some suggestions from WT:DYK:
- ALT3: ... that sport in Vatican City has included chariot racing, calcio fiorentino, and taekwondo?
- ALT4: ... that sport in Vatican City has been seen as a way to express Catholic spirituality and principles?
- ALT5: ... that although sport in Vatican City has been seen as a way to express Catholic spirituality and principles, the church opposed the participation of women?
ABC Cinema, Brighton
- ... that the world premiere of Brighton Rock was held at Brighton's ABC Cinema (pictured)?
- Source: Allen Eyles (2003), Brighton and Hove Cinemas, p.71. "At midnight on Thursday 8 January 1948, the world premiere of Brighton Rock took place at the Savoy (no other cinema was in the running, as it was made by ABC's associated production company)." (First sentence from a full paragraph about the premiere. The Savoy was the name of the cinema at the time, as noted in the article.)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Chicken of Tomorrow Contest
- Comment: Another Brighton article contributed as part of the recent restarting of Wikipedia:WikiProject Brighton.
Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 19:20, 28 June 2024 (UTC).
- Reveiewing... new enough, long enough, QPQ provided. Hook in article, image free. Will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 06:31, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- ...No copyvio issues, neutral. Hook is followed by a citation to a reference i cannot see, though a copy of the text is provided above. Reads well and hook and article are interesting. Thank you for your work. Whispyhistory (talk) 10:16, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- ... how interesting (WP:DYKINT) are we finding this hook? The world premiere of a film about events in a town took place in that town? Is that abnormal? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not aware of any other examples of this happening, and I would think it is quite abnormal for a world premiere to take place in a smallish provincial town; but I'm happy to have alternative hooks suggested. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Airship: the premiere of a movie happening in the place where the movie takes place is not too interesting. @Hassocks5489: Can you propose some alternate hooks? If you can't think of other hooks, would it be better if this was withdrawn? Z1720 (talk) 00:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'll suggest the following – see what you think: (source is ref [24], which covers the whole sentence in which it appears) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 18:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Airship: the premiere of a movie happening in the place where the movie takes place is not too interesting. @Hassocks5489: Can you propose some alternate hooks? If you can't think of other hooks, would it be better if this was withdrawn? Z1720 (talk) 00:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not aware of any other examples of this happening, and I would think it is quite abnormal for a world premiere to take place in a smallish provincial town; but I'm happy to have alternative hooks suggested. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 11:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- ...that the ABC Cinema (pictured) in Brighton was nicknamed "the white whale"?
Articles created/expanded on June 29
editSun Zhiyang
- ... that prior to being appointed as mayor of Guangzhou, Sun Zhiyang worked as a senior engineer and deputy general manager of the Chinese state-owned automobile manufacturer FAW Group?
- ALT1: ... that at the age of 47, Sun Zhiyang was the youngest person to be appointed as the vice governor of Guangdong Province? Source: 47岁孙志洋 赴任广东省
- ALT2: ... that during his tenure as vice governor of Guangdong, Sun Zhiyang oversaw the development of Guangdong's automobile industrial chain, due to his prior experience working in the automobile industry? Source: Guangzhou remains at the forefront of the nascent autonomous car industry
- ALT2a: ... that during his tenure as vice governor of Guangdong, Sun Zhiyang oversaw the development of Guangdong's automobile industrial chain, due to his prior experience working in that sector? Source: Guangzhou remains at the forefront of the nascent autonomous car industry
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/National Coordination Committee Against Corruption and Crime
Toadboy123 (talk) 13:41, 29 June 2024 (UTC).
- Article is long enough and new enough. Article is presentable, sourced, and free from copyvio. Hooks are interesting enough and sourced using Chinese sources (hence the good faith). Some sources are state-sponsored (i.e. Xinhua) but acceptable. QPQ done. Thank you for your nomination Toadboy123! Kimikel (talk) 01:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toadboy123 and Kimikel: I don't find hooks ALT0, 2, or 3 interesting in the slightest (WP:DYKINT); ALT1 is borderline, but I can easily see it timing out. Anything more intriguing available? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:48, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Toadboy123, Kimikel, and AirshipJungleman29::
- ALT3a ... that Sun Zhiyang, the incumbent mayor of Guangzhou, was an engineer in the automobile industry prior to entering politics?
- ALT3b ... that Sun Zhiyang, who has been mayor Guangzhou since January 2024, was an engineer in the automobile industry prior to entering politics?
- How are these? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both of those seem good to me. Also suggesting:
- ALT4 ... that one Singaporean newspaper expected mayor Sun Zhiyang to help turn Guangzhou into a "smart car city"? [12]
- Kimikel (talk) 00:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just waiting for Toadboy's response. Once that's resolved we will need a new reviewer to check ALT3a/ALT3b/ALT4 since the original reviewer proposed ALT4. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: @Kimikel Thank you for your input. I think the ALT that you provided is a good one and I prefer it as the hook for this article. Toadboy123 (talk) 10:12, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just waiting for Toadboy's response. Once that's resolved we will need a new reviewer to check ALT3a/ALT3b/ALT4 since the original reviewer proposed ALT4. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:08, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Both of those seem good to me. Also suggesting:
- @Toadboy123, Kimikel, and AirshipJungleman29::
- Full review still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:28, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on June 30
editLiza 'N' Eliaz
- ... that Belgian hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz (pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
Lajmmoore (talk) 13:52, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- I've swapped the two images as the crop is clearly preferable. Schwede66 01:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:41, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 1
editMall curfew
- ... that a mall curfew policy at the Mall of America was challenged based on its constitutionality?
- Reviewed:
Reconrabbit 00:21, 2 July 2024 (UTC).
- I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
- ALT1 ... that one of the first mall curfews was opposed by the American Civil Liberties Union?
- That's probably better. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and everything is cited in the article and verified. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The nominator still has less than five nominations so no QPQ is required. ALT1 is okay (cited inline, AGF due to being paywalled for me), but I'd like to see some additional proposals as well. In addition, while not necessarily a DYK issue, I do note that the article is US-centric and does not mention if similar policies exist outside the US, so that may need to be addressed if sources about the practice outside of America exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I haven't been able to find any information about such policies that exist outside the US. I added a short subheading that points out there is little reporting and any mention of curfews in reference to a mall is due to a curfew that affects a whole population and isn't enacted by the mall itself. Reconrabbit 15:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Consider also ALT2 ... that mall curfews in the United States have been used since 1996 with the intent of curbing the "unruly" behavior of teenagers?
- The problem is that the sentence about little information from outside the US is available would need to be sourced because otherwise it fails WP:SYNTH or WP:OR. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Reconrabbit: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 20:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I thought I replied to this but I guess not. I am finding it hard to find a source that discusses the non-existence of this kind of policy outside of the US. If that causes this article to be ineligible for DYK then so be it. Reconrabbit 01:19, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- One solution could be to write the article to be primarily about the US and delete the sentence about "information outside the US is rare". It wouldn't be ideal but it's probably the best solution in the interim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like that's what I did, since the first line of the article is "in the United States..." How should it be clarified? Reconrabbit 17:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe deleting the line "There is very little reported in terms of mall curfews being enacted outside the United States" would work, and instead of making a general statement, give some specific non-US examples. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:32, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like that's what I did, since the first line of the article is "in the United States..." How should it be clarified? Reconrabbit 17:15, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- One solution could be to write the article to be primarily about the US and delete the sentence about "information outside the US is rare". It wouldn't be ideal but it's probably the best solution in the interim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- The problem is that the sentence about little information from outside the US is available would need to be sourced because otherwise it fails WP:SYNTH or WP:OR. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:46, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Norman Hunter (footballer)
- ... that the Norman Hunter Golf Day charity has raised over £100,000 for CLL cancer research?
- ALT1: ... that following the 1972 FA Cup final at Wembley Stadium, Norman Hunter went to the Royal Box twice: once to receive his own medal, and again to help an injured teammate receive his? Source: [3]
- ALT2: ... that a schoolteacher tried to make left-footed footballer Norman Hunter play right-footed? Source: [4]
- Reviewed:
PearlyGigs (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ "Family of Leeds United legend Norman Hunter raise over £110,000 to support research to find a cure for Leukaemia". Leeds Hospitals Charity. 8 May 2024.
- ^ "Annual Norman Hunter Golf Day". Just Giving.
- ^ "Jones the Brave". Yorkshire Post. 31 May 2016.
- ^ Hunter, Norman; Waters, Don (2004). Biting Talk. Hodder & Stoughton. p. 7–8. ISBN 978-0-3408-3082-6.
TESCREAL
- ... that Timnit Gebru and Émile P. Torres created the acronym TESCREAL to describe a group of ideologies popular among people focused on existential risk from artificial general intelligence?
GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 17:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC).
The readable prose size is 1,119 words which is well short of the required 1,500 words. Notifying nominator.- @PearlyGigs: DYK requires articles be greater than 1,500 characters in length, which this article exceeds (7,845). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Characters? Oh, dear! My apologies, GorillaWarfare, and I'll continue. First one of these I've done. PearlyGigs (talk) 20:57, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- @PearlyGigs: DYK requires articles be greater than 1,500 characters in length, which this article exceeds (7,845). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 20:32, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Was a draft until today so new enough and, as I now realise, also long enough. I can't see any problems in the article around copyvio, POV or OR. Sourcing looks good overall and the hook citations appear to be sound and reliable. The hook is certainly interesting because it caught my eye immediately when I was checking my own nomination. QPQ has been done. I think this is fine and it should be promoted. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:17, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose this nomination: An article on this subject was deleted 7 months ago because of weak sourcing. There haven't been any new sources added other than a paper by the two proponents of this theory and lots of other really weak sources. Wikipedia's job isn't to promote anti-vaxx conspiracy theories or other conspiracy theories, of which in my and other people's opinions, this is one. The only people claiming that ANYONE adheres to these multiple philosophies is Torres and Gebru. ---Avatar317(talk) 00:56, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Original admin who closed AfD undeleted it after i proposed appropriate changes. the AfD never came to consensus of conspiracy theory (just u), and deleted it due to lack of WP:N. if u want to delete this again, use AfD again or bug the original admin.Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:12, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Agreed that that would be a conversation for AfD, not DYK. The article is neutral and adequately sourced. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 01:57, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- The LEAD is well written and neutral, thanks for that.---Avatar317(talk) 03:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was aware when I did the DYK review that the article is about ideologies, but I don't consider the article to be promoting those ideologies because it is neutral. The subject, in my opinion, is notable. I can't say I'm knowledgeable about TESCREAL but the article does appear to be adequately sourced. I've been reading it again and I still think the hook should be promoted. But, as I say, I am not an SME in this area so I will happily step aside if an SME is needed. Incidentally, the lead is the primary location of the hook material and its two sources. Thanks. PearlyGigs (talk) 09:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have to second the concerns brought up above: this article was merged in November for poor sourcing and the fact that it seemed to lean very heavily into the op-ed angle of the source it did use. To be clear, I certainly have a great personal distaste for the majority of people who run the majority of software companies, and ethical objections to a good portion of the United States' GDP (I am a diehard Linux user with all of the political implications that entails). However, the implication that "global tech elites" are engaged in a deliberate scheme to carry out eugenics (as one of the sources said from the previous version of this article), based on a collection of op-eds and blog posts where people who hate them say this a bunch of times, seems to raise some rather significant BLP issues. It is somewhat concerning to vaguely imply this in wikivoice as though it's settled fact, and then the citations are to a journal of biosemiotics. jp×g🗯️ 02:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Posting on here same stuff as in the Talk Page section:
- A) This article was merged for lack of WP:N. If you consider it still an issue, use WP:AfD or bug the original admin who deleted, merged, than undeleted this. It isn't a valid argument to suggest that it's settled that it deserves to remerged if we've added a ton of sourcing and improved on it. Settle it by starting the process to delete it if you want.
- B) Are there reliable sources indicating that TESCREAL is a significantly derogatory epithet similar to Libtard/Chud? Marc Andreessen self-describes as TESCREAList. Many of these folks regularly ascribe to multiple of these philosophies as transhumanists, ethical altruists, long-termists, etc. Sourcing here does not necessarily imply that every TESCREAList is also a eugenicist, nor do we use WP:SYNTH to suggest that these folks are all eugenicists. There is no mention of eugenicist claims in the third section. Also, we have Big Tech as a wikipedia article along with criticism, which is also a similar "perjorative" against tech companies, and other significant "perjoratives" with negative connotations such as Democrat in Name Only and Cuckservative. These all explain what opinion writers and commentators mean, and why. This article is far more tame than many of those.
- C) That more than a dozen opinions use a term like this should be notable enough. I suspect that any sort of article about philosophies will require opinionated sources or commentaries. Effective altruism includes sourcing from Centre for Effective Altruism and by extension the Effective Altruism Forum, study centers specifically invested in effective altruism and founded by leaders, as well as many opinions.
- D) WP:OPINION applies here, especially for philosphical arguments. I looked for criticisms of TESCREAL. If more are published, we can include them. These sources are WP:SECONDARY, they contain analysis, evaluation, interpretation, or synthesis of the facts, evidence, concepts, and ideas taken from primary sources. Secondary sources are not necessarily independent sources.
- E) If you want to settle WP:BLP, please post in the section on WP:BLPN. We've already started and done this argument. There are multiple sources on WP:PUBLICFIGUREs here alleging that many of these folks use TESCREAL to justify their tech projects, and we make sure to use the word "allege" correctly, as per WP:OPINION, along with the correct sourcing
- Conclusion:) TESCREAL is unliked by some portion of folks on here for some reason. I'm happy to listen to arguments, but I want an argument about why we are suddenly so sensitive about criticism of Elon Musk/etc. for using human extinction for every time someone criticizes his behavior or cars or products. If you are just an elon musk/nick bostrum/etc. fan, than say it and stop throwing mud on an article that contains a criticism of philosophies that occurs often enough that we can gather 20+ sources, including 10 using the term in severe detail to directly dissect the argument that yelling extinction every 15 minutes doesn't mean you've justified your next mega project. Bluethricecreamman (talk) 04:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: In the interests of not duplicating every comment, I'll just note that there is a parallel discussion happening at Talk:TESCREAL#Neutrality (to/from which some of these comments have been copied). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 12:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- GorillaWarfare, a neutrality tag remains on this article. If this is, as it seems, a continually-controversial topic, I am not inclined to promote, having no desire to get shouted at at WP:ERRORS. Do you think the issues brought up by a number of editors can be resolved? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know whether the issues can be resolved, but I believe that this is and will remain a contentious topic, like many other articles in American politics. This topic is very new, and so the coverage of it is not what I would call "mature", which in my opinion makes it harder for an article to be stable, but GorillaWarfare will probably have a better insight on that than I.---Avatar317(talk) 21:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Avatar317: The banner is not for controversial topics: it is placed when someone is concerned that the article does not use neutral language. This will need to be rectified before it is promoted, or this nomination can be withdrawn. Z1720 (talk) 00:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- at the end of the day, i think what avatar317 means to say is the topic is contentious and attracts complaints, spurious or otherwise. i personally believe we correctly attribute all opinions and statements but others do not.
- is there a topic board or wikiproject we can notify to ask for more voices to confirm how to proceed? Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:19, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know whether the issues can be resolved, but I believe that this is and will remain a contentious topic, like many other articles in American politics. This topic is very new, and so the coverage of it is not what I would call "mature", which in my opinion makes it harder for an article to be stable, but GorillaWarfare will probably have a better insight on that than I.---Avatar317(talk) 21:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- GorillaWarfare, a neutrality tag remains on this article. If this is, as it seems, a continually-controversial topic, I am not inclined to promote, having no desire to get shouted at at WP:ERRORS. Do you think the issues brought up by a number of editors can be resolved? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:53, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: In the interests of not duplicating every comment, I'll just note that there is a parallel discussion happening at Talk:TESCREAL#Neutrality (to/from which some of these comments have been copied). GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 12:02, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 3
editSouth West Norfolk in the 2024 United Kingdom general election
... that former UK prime minister Liz Truss's loss of her constituency South West Norfolk, in the 2024 United Kingdom general election, was described as the "Portillo moment" of the year?
- Source: "It’s the Portillo moment of 2024. Liz Truss sensationally lost her safe South West Norfolk seat this morning, less than two years after serving as prime minister." [15]
Sionk (talk) 18:14, 9 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review but more of a comment, but given how international readers may not know what a Portillo moment is, it might be better to propose a hook about how Truss was the first former prime minister in about 90 years to lose her seat, as I think that's a more impressive and eyecatching fact. It's currently not in the article, but it was widely reported in the media (and it's also an easily verifiable "first" hook so it should be safe unlike other recent "first" hooks) and so it might work better as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:17, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Sionk: I'm going ahead and proposing the wording; the fact still needs to be mentioned in the article and perhaps some clarification should be made on when it last happened and how long it has been since then.
- ALT1 ... that Liz Truss became the first former UK prime minister since 1935 to lose their seat when she lost her constituency South West Norfolk, in the 2024 United Kingdom general election?
- @Sionk: I'm going ahead and proposing the wording; the fact still needs to be mentioned in the article and perhaps some clarification should be made on when it last happened and how long it has been since then.
- Source: "In losing to Labour, Truss became the first former occupant of No. 10 to lose their seat since Ramsay McDonald lost Seaham in 1935." [16]
- I agree. I don't think the original hook is really makes a lot of sense to anyone outside of the UK, even then it definitely assumes that people know what the phrasing is. I would say ALT1 is better, but that is also a bit vague. From what I remember, the last former prime minister to loose their seat was Ramsay McDonald in the 1935 United Kingdom general election, but might need to double-check that. If so, it would make sense for the 90 year part. Hope this helps. TheBritinator (talk) 00:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: Good suggestion. Happy to go with Alt 1, I've added the fact to the article with a reputable national news source. Sionk (talk) 12:15, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Full review still needed. I've made a slight modification to ALT1 and struck the original hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
List of songs recorded by the Linda Lindas
- ... that Bikini Kill, the Go-Go's, Paramore, Sleater-Kinney, and Talking Heads are some of many artists that the Linda Lindas have recorded covers of?
- Source: Multiple: Bikini Kill, The Go-Go's, Paramore, Sleater-Kinney, and Talking Heads
- ALT1: ... that the Linda Lindas have recorded 29 songs, including covers of songs by Bikini Kill, the Go-Go's, Paramore, Sleater-Kinney, and Talking Heads? Source: same as ALT0
- Reviewed:
– The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) (ping me!) 01:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
- I will not be reviewing this nomination, but isn't covering songs a really common thing for a band to do, especially songs from famous bands? Bremps... 12:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Bremps: How about a different hook. ALT2: ... that the Linda Lindas, who are named after the song "Linda Linda", by the Blue Hearts, later covered the song? Source: named after, covered (another source) – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) (ping me!) 01:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- There we go. Far better than before, and it's pretty interesting. Bremps... 01:48, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Bremps: How about a different hook. ALT2: ... that the Linda Lindas, who are named after the song "Linda Linda", by the Blue Hearts, later covered the song? Source: named after, covered (another source) – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) (ping me!) 01:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: I reviewed all proposed hooks and only Alt2 would be acceptable at present. Alt1 would fail as the number of songs does not appear with a citation in the article, and I would in any case be worried they may release more songs before this is hook appears on the main page. The original hook fails as not all of these bands are mentioned as having been covered by the Linda Lindas.
Earwig did highlight some similarities and while we should be careful of this, in this case they appear to be incidental, e.g. they consist of common words or phrases which could not be easily avoided without the result reading oddly. I personally would not fail a review for this in this case, but it may be worth addressing in case the promoter feels differently.
I assume good faith on the non-English source provided for Alt2.
Pinging @The Sharpest Lives: as nominator. CSJJ104 (talk) 01:32, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 4
editIktara (song)
- ... that Kavita Seth became so popular with the 2009 Hindi-language song "Iktara" that audiences wanted her to sing the song whenever she went for live concerts?
KunalAggarwal95 (talk) 08:08, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
Hadriana in All My Dreams
- ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
- Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
- ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: Source is under a paywall but can be accessed by users with access to Wikipedia library (check cairn-info). The source is in French. I'm not sure which hook has better wording, but traditionally there are considered to be six major awards, which the source lists - Prix Renaudot, Prix Goncourt, Prix Femina, Prix Médicis, Prix Interallié, and Grand Prix du roman de l'Académie française (https://guides.loc.gov/french-collections/french-literary-prizes). I've reproduced the table below.
Jaguarnik (talk) 07:57, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: Please transcribe the book passage that confirms the hook fact to this nomination. Schwede66 23:00, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:
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--Launchballer 20:36, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Table reproduced:
Prize name | Prize founding | Author, novel, year of awarding |
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Goncourt | 1903 | N/A |
Femina | 1904 | N/A |
Prix du Roman de l'Académie Française | 1914 | N/A |
Renaudot | 1926 | René Depestre, Hadriana in All My Dreams, 1988 |
Interallié | 1930 | N/A |
Médicis | 1958 | Dany Laferrière, The Enigma of the Return, 2009 |
Jaguarnik (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed now that requested table for hook fact has been transcribed. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:20, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Queer manicure
- ... that some queer people wear shorter nails on their middle and index fingers to allow for easier manual sex and to express a queer identity?
- Source: Preston, Devon. "Meet the Femmicure: Where Queer Nail Art Meets Functionality", PopSugar, 18 August 2022. Retrieved 4 July 2024.
- Reviewed:
Orchastrattor (talk) 04:58, 4 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but Popsugar is red on WP:UPSD. What makes it reliable?--Launchballer 11:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: LA covers the same claim,[1] PS was just the citation used in the article, I can update the article to match that instead. Orchastrattor (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to say that PS should come out together, although checking WP:RSN, there isn't really a consensus, and this isn't really contentious. I'd be inclined to let it slide but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it. Full review needed.--Launchballer 09:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- You could practically cut the source without having to remove much of anything from the article (terminology of "party fingers" aside), so I don't think it's something to be especially concerned about. Sourcing the DYK to the LA Times instead does seem prudent, but I don't think it's a dealbreaker either way. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was going to say that PS should come out together, although checking WP:RSN, there isn't really a consensus, and this isn't really contentious. I'd be inclined to let it slide but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it. Full review needed.--Launchballer 09:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Thompson, Martine. "Cheers to the Queer Manicure", Los Angeles Times, 22 June 2022. Retrieved 27 June 2024.
I'll take this; it's my first time doing a DYK review, so if I mess anything up I do apologize. The article is new enough, long enough, has no apparent copyvio or neutrality issues, and the citations all seem fine barring the Popsugar situation that as stated isn't overly concerning. QPQ isn't necessary. I think the hook needs work though. Whilst the core of the fact is clearly established by the sources and obviously interesting, the wording isn't sufficiently clear. I understand the usage of "queer" for inclusiveness, but as it currently reads absolutely no association with sapphism or women whatsoever is implied. Any reader coming across this would be left to think gay men, asexuals, or straight transgender individuals cut their nails short as lesbian women. Given the entire point of the topic is its connection to lesbian and sapphic culture, that is a fundamental issue. Beyond this, I have some comments about the article itself. I'm not sure if I'm perhaps stepping beyond what is expected of a DYK review here, but at worst they can't hurt:
- The article is named "Queer manicure", but the opening sentence treats "Lesbian manicure" as the primary name and puts the former term in the parentheses. I again understand why there's a flux between terms (anecdotally, I always knew them as just "lesbian nails") and the sources seem to go back and forth on what to call them, but it seems sensible the body and title agree on which one to lead with.
- I'm not convinced "party fingers" is terminology of sufficient note to be included here. It's mentioned a single time in one source (in a direct quote, no less), and no search combination of "party fingers" with relevant terms like manicure, penetration, lesbian, or queer seems to bring up anything remotely relevant to the subject (concerningly, that last one brought up this very article). The second use in the article, "party fingers" style of manicure, makes up an association between the "party fingers" terminology and the manicure itself never invoked in the cited source (which only ever treated it as a term for the fingers).
- Based on my reading of the article (and granted, I know nothing about Euphoria), I'm not sure the statement about Natalie Minerva as correct. The article reads as if she did a lesbian manicure for the show Euphoria, but the source seems to say that she was the nail artist for Euphoria and, separately, gave Barbie Ferreira a lesbian manicure which was posted to Instagram.
Most of these are pretty small nitpicks, and I don't think I'd hold the nomination back over all of them, but it would be nice to see them addressed. Either way though, it's very nice to see an article on this classic piece of sapphic culture created and I'd love to see this on the front page once the hook and article issues can be ironed out. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Orchastrattor: Please address the above. @LittleLazyLass: This is a very long review for a DYK. Can some of this be moved to the article's talk page, or fixed yourself? Z1720 (talk) 20:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yea sorry I've had a busy week or so, I'll get to it soon! Orchastrattor (talk) 20:18, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @LittleLazyLass: 1) I think there's already a precedent for conflicts between COMMONNAME and best name being resolved like this. I was also introduced to the concept as "lesbian nails", however that would already have to be swapped out for "lesbian manicure" to preserve the site's formal tone, at which point we might as well just go with "queer manicure" to keep the topic name as straightforward and inclusive as it can be. 2) I'll be honest I the article just uses "party fingers" in the way that it does so that it doesn't have to keep saying "middle-and-index style" to indicate that particular subtopic, its distinct from the parent concept but doesn't have its own defined name so "party fingers" is just the least clunky way of referring to it. 3) Maybe, I'm not familiar with the show either and the wording could go either way so I've just changed the sentence to avoid the issue altogether. Orchastrattor (talk) 02:29, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- For example the 1808-1813 Kingdom of Spain has an article titled Spain under Joseph Bonaparte, but the actual text of the lead simply refers to it as "Napoleonic Spain" because the level of formality necessary for the title isn't the same as that necessary for the text. Orchastrattor (talk) 18:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Orchastrattor: Please address the above. @LittleLazyLass: This is a very long review for a DYK. Can some of this be moved to the article's talk page, or fixed yourself? Z1720 (talk) 20:05, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that some lesbians and queer people wear shorter nails on their middle and index fingers to allow for easier manual sex and to express a queer identity?
- I've removed the points I'd consider to be minor nitpicks and left a couple I do think should be addressed as they concern the factuality of the article. Apologies for going overboard. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 00:01, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 5
editQuintus Quincy Quigley
- ... that Quintus Quincy Quigley (pictured) preferred Angles to a ring?
- Source: The Life and Times of Quintus Quincy Quigley -- "The Quigley’s used the ring money to purchase the land. The house they built was called “The Angles.”
- Reviewed: Alien Blue
- Comment: Getting the nomination started while it's timely. The proposed hook is short as the subject's name is quite intriguing to start with and so it's best not to bury it in detail.
Andrew🐉(talk) 23:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC).
Grace Panvini
- ... that petite soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 foot 11 3/4 inches tall; a height which one reviewer described as an asset for appearing youthful on stage?
- Source: For her height of 4 foot 11 3/4 inches: "INSTRUCTORS TEACH STUDENTS TO LIFT THEIR VOICES". South Florida Sun Sentinel. December 3, 1996.
4meter4 (talk) 21:39, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but if we are to go with this angle, I would suggest including a metric conversion given how most of the world do not use customary units. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Tobey (song)
- ... that in a trailer for "Tobey", Eminem "likely" carved into his own alter ego with a chainsaw? Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/eminem-tobey-big-sean-babyton-single-1235051653/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ceasefire proposal for Israel–Hamas war (May 5)
- Comment: I believe that the word "likely" - a quote from Rolling Stone - is enough to steer clear of WP:DYKFICTION.
Launchballer 09:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- Article seems new enough, the article's pretty nice based on prose and sources. The hook is very nice in my own opinion, I actually verbally reacted! Pass. Arconning (talk) 13:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Arconning: We have a slight problem, in that I just came across this BBC piece which confirms that it is definitely Shady Eminem takes a chainsaw to, which means "likely" won't fly. What is your opinion of the following:
- ALT1: ... that the music video for "Tobey", in which Eminem carves into his own alter ego with a chainsaw, was delayed by three days?
- ALT2: ... that the music video for "Tobey", featuring "3 generations of Detroit", features Eminem carving into his own alter ego with a chainsaw?--Launchballer 13:06, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer Since the "likely" isn't applicable now, wouldn't it be better to omit "likely" and I'd suggest ALT1a: ... that in the music video for "Tobey", Eminem carves into his own alter ego with a chainsaw?" Though ALT1 itself is fine for me, just need your confirmation if you're okay with sticking with ALT1. Arconning (talk) 13:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think it might fall foul of WP:DYKFICTION on its own, hence the extra information. I'm sure a promoter can opine.--Launchballer 13:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pass for ALT1 Arconning (talk) 13:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think it might fall foul of WP:DYKFICTION on its own, hence the extra information. I'm sure a promoter can opine.--Launchballer 13:23, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer Since the "likely" isn't applicable now, wouldn't it be better to omit "likely" and I'd suggest ALT1a: ... that in the music video for "Tobey", Eminem carves into his own alter ego with a chainsaw?" Though ALT1 itself is fine for me, just need your confirmation if you're okay with sticking with ALT1. Arconning (talk) 13:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Owing to concerns raised about the hook fact at WT:DYK (see WT:DYK#Tobey (song)), I have pulled the hook for further discussion. Concerns have been raised about the "Eminem using a chainsaw" angle failing WP:DYKFICTION and thus a completely different angle probably needs to be proposed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The pulled hook did not fail DYKFICTION as the delayed bit satisfied it (it did involve the real-world), and I think that if we're going to enforce a policy that 'the real world bit must be interesting in its own right', then the policy should spell it out. ALT2 remains on this page and I will have another hook when I've eaten.--Launchballer 11:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The three-day thing is unhelpful either way. From the perspective that the Slim Shady thing isn't considered fictional, the delay tidbit is just additional fluff that detracts from the substance. From the consensus perspective that the Slim Shady thing is considered fiction, then it doesn't make sense that one can add an unrelated real-world tidbit to a hook that is substantively about a fictional element in order to escape DYKFICTION. If we accept it in this case, it sets a precedent for future fig leaf hooks. Look at these hypothetical examples: "Did you know that Jon Snow knows nothing in an episode that was shot in Finland?" What would shooting in Finland have to do with the character's lack of knowledge? "Did you know that Hermione learned a new spell in a book that came out in October?" Again, what's the relation? The substance of a hook ought to involve the real world in order to satisfy DYKFICTION, otherwise DYKFICTION is meaningless. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 12:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I still think that DYKFICTION should be updated to that effect (even if only to add the word 'substantially' before 'involve'!). I plan on taking another look anyway, but for now, what is your opinion of ALT2a: ... that "Tobey" features "three generations of Detroit"?--Launchballer 12:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that really makes sense, but I don't want to be the rando who stuck my nose in and now isn't happy with anything, so I'll leave it to someone else to approve or not. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 12:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- It at least doesn't fail DYKFICTION like the original angle, but I agree that it lacks context to make sense. It will probably at least need to say that it's an Eminem song. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure that really makes sense, but I don't want to be the rando who stuck my nose in and now isn't happy with anything, so I'll leave it to someone else to approve or not. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 12:52, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I still think that DYKFICTION should be updated to that effect (even if only to add the word 'substantially' before 'involve'!). I plan on taking another look anyway, but for now, what is your opinion of ALT2a: ... that "Tobey" features "three generations of Detroit"?--Launchballer 12:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The three-day thing is unhelpful either way. From the perspective that the Slim Shady thing isn't considered fictional, the delay tidbit is just additional fluff that detracts from the substance. From the consensus perspective that the Slim Shady thing is considered fiction, then it doesn't make sense that one can add an unrelated real-world tidbit to a hook that is substantively about a fictional element in order to escape DYKFICTION. If we accept it in this case, it sets a precedent for future fig leaf hooks. Look at these hypothetical examples: "Did you know that Jon Snow knows nothing in an episode that was shot in Finland?" What would shooting in Finland have to do with the character's lack of knowledge? "Did you know that Hermione learned a new spell in a book that came out in October?" Again, what's the relation? The substance of a hook ought to involve the real world in order to satisfy DYKFICTION, otherwise DYKFICTION is meaningless. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 12:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
David B. Gillespie
- ... that David Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the nature of a diploma from the University of North Carolina?
- Source: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
- ALT1: ... that the first person granted a document in the nature of a diploma from the University of North Carolina was David Gillespie? Source: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
- ALT2: ... that David Gillespie was the chief surveyor to Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR 30147229.
- Reviewed:
Aneirinn (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2024 (UTC).
- : Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oops I used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that newspaper obit (including its earlier printing on June 5, 1898) is the only source using "B", and no scholar has used it since, then it's most likely a one-off error (typos, misspellings, and incorrect info is common in short obits from the time): note there was a Dr. David B(ryson) Gillespie of Bladen County who died in 1905 mentioned in NC newspapers, and may have caused conflation. Find a Grave uses the middle B, but it's an unreliable user-generated source and the tombstone image does not corroborate it. Since David Gillespie (politician) already exists, David Gillespie (surveyor) or David Gillespie (American politician) may be more appropriate titles in line with predominant form of name. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dr. David B. Gillespie (February 24, 1815–January 2, 1905), who attended the Medical College of South Carolina, [Source:Catalogue of the Students Attending Lectures in the Medical College of the State of South Carolina, Session 1837–'38. Charleston: James S. Burges, 85 East-Bay. 1838. p. 6 – via Medical University of South Carolina, Waring Historical Library.] was a son of Major David B. Gillespie. [Source:"Descendants of David Gillespie" (PDF). NCGenWeb.] I think it is likely that the writer of the twice-published obituary wrote 'Major' David B. Gillespie for a reason, and that Dr. David B Gillespie is named after his father, which would have them both with a middle names that start with the letter 'B'. This point of contention is not really an issue; however, I find it hard to believe that people would find the initial proposal or ALT1 dull or uninteresting. It is significant and interesting that, according to Kemp P. Battle, David B. Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States. This would also make David B. Gillespie the first person in the United States to receive a document in the form of a diploma from a public university. If more alternative hooks are necessary, I'm willing to provide additional options. Aneirinn (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- If that newspaper obit (including its earlier printing on June 5, 1898) is the only source using "B", and no scholar has used it since, then it's most likely a one-off error (typos, misspellings, and incorrect info is common in short obits from the time): note there was a Dr. David B(ryson) Gillespie of Bladen County who died in 1905 mentioned in NC newspapers, and may have caused conflation. Find a Grave uses the middle B, but it's an unreliable user-generated source and the tombstone image does not corroborate it. Since David Gillespie (politician) already exists, David Gillespie (surveyor) or David Gillespie (American politician) may be more appropriate titles in line with predominant form of name. --Animalparty! (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States, was David Gillespie?
Sources: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
Kapur, Geeta N. (2021). To Drink from the Well: The Struggle for Racial Equality at the Nation's Oldest Public University. Durham, North Carolina: Blair/Carolina Wren Press. ISBN 9781949467529 – via Stanford University Libraries.
ALT4: ... that David Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university to confer degrees in the United States?
Sources: Battle, Kemp Plummer (1907). History of the University of North Carolina: from its Beginning to the Death of President Swain, 1789–1868 (PDF). Vol. I. Raleigh, North Carolina: Edwards & Broughton Printing Company. p. 77 – via the Wikimedia Foundation.
Kapur, Geeta N. (2021). To Drink from the Well: The Struggle for Racial Equality at the Nation's Oldest Public University. Durham, North Carolina: Blair/Carolina Wren Press. ISBN 9781949467529 – via Stanford University Libraries.
- @Aneirinn: What does this need an additional reviewer for that @Animalparty: can't do themself?--Launchballer 18:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Highest averages method
- ... that in 1840, Congress attempted to legislate 40.5 rounds up to 42?
- ALT0a: ... that in 1840, Congress passed a bill with the effect of rounding 40.5 up to 42?
- ALT1: ... that the 1876 United States presidential election was decided by Congress's failure to use the correct rounding procedure? Source: https://archive.org/details/fairrepresentati00bali
- ALT1a: ... that the 1876 presidential election was decided by rounding errors? Source: https://archive.org/details/fairrepresentati00bali
- ALT1b: "... that the result of the 1876 presidential election was decided in part by the algorithm used to handle rounding?
- Reviewed:
Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 17:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: no concerns; it's a new GA. prefer ALT1 as clearer and hook-ier to a general audience. good work! ... sawyer * he/they * talk 01:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves, Sawyer777, AirshipJungleman29, Black Kite, and David Eppstein: per the discussion at DYK's noticeboard and the fact that this is up in a day or two, I've pulled this for now. Discussion should continue here :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:35, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Closed Limelike Curves: I have added your amended Alt1 as Alt1a as the original Alt1 has already been discussed. TSventon (talk) 15:21, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sounds good, thanks! Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I think all the hooks are misleading, even ALT0. There are many systems of rounding in apportionment. All must produce rounding errors, in the sense that rounded numbers rather than exact numbers are a necessary outcome of the process. Therefore, rounding errors are not a cause of anything. Different apportionment procedures have different priorities and it is an inappropriate editorialization to call one of them correct and others incorrect. Congress did not legislate the result of rounding a particular number; they legislated a rounding procedure that applies to a system of numbers (rather than a single number at a time) that happens to have this result, because it prioritized something else and did not prioritize getting within one of the unrounded value. As a simple example (different from what actually happened) this could easily happen in a system that prioritized relative error rather than absolute error. The nominator appears to have an agenda for promoting certain electoral methods and for putting down certain other ones, rather than treating them all equally and neutrally; we should not further this agenda. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:04, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi David, do you think ALT0A is acceptable? I agree different rounding procedures are inevitable, and all of them will have various quirks and paradoxes. I'm just highlighting this as an interesting example of such a paradox. (Though I'd note that rounding 40.5 up to 42 is a difference of 1.5, making this an unusually severe violation of the quota rule, which is why it's notable/surprising.)
- I'm not sure what you mean by "Therefore, rounding errors are not a cause of anything." If the results of an election would have been different with a different rounding algorithm, and also would have been correct if no rounding algorithm was used, I think it's fair to say the election results were caused by round-off errors. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- You keep saying "correct". Stop. That is the problem. An imputation that some procedures are correct and others are not is what is causing this issue. If what you really mean is that, for one particular election, one rounding method caused the results to agree with direct democracy and a different rounding method caused a different result, then say so, but for any rounding method one can find scenarios where it will differ from direct democracy and others will not. This is not an argument for one being correct and another not.
- As for ALT0a: No. It did not have that effect. It had the effect that rounding a system of numbers caused one of the numbers to be rounded from 40.5 to 42, but that is not interesting, cause for alarm, or problematic. To spell out a simple example: suppose we are trying to round numbers to achieve minimum relative error, that the total number of seats is 48, and that the numbers we are trying to round are (1.25,1.25,1.25,1.25,1.25,1.25,40.5). Then the obvious way to round it is (1,1,1,1,1,1,42). Anything else would assign one of the small numbers a number of seats far out of proportion. Your hook describes political grandstanding from the time but by cherry-picking a detail from the rounding is misleading about the actual effect of the bill.
- You might just as well say that the current US electoral college rounds 0.9 to 3 (the proportional fraction of electoral college seats that should be held by Wyoming vs the seats it gets). Is that cause for alarm? Is that cause for saying that the highest averages method used in part to allocate these seats is incorrect? —David Eppstein (talk) 18:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Dr. Eppstein: If the problem is the word "correct", I've removed the it from ALT1a. I agree it was sloppy phrasing on my part in the DYK, which I only included because I did not expect that hook to be used, and definitely not that it would be used without first being workshopped a bit. (This is my first DYK, so I'm a bit unfamiliar with the procedure.) However, I don't see the relevance of any of this to the newest version of the hook, given I've removed the word "correct" from it. Otherwise, when I say "correct", I'm only defining this to mean the results with the idealized procedure, using fractional apportionments, which does not introduce any rounding errors.
- Direct democracy is wholly unrelated to this topic, and I don't understand why you keep bringing it up. If you mean a direct popular vote, then no, I'm not talking about the popular vote. My point is that A) who won the election depended on the specific rounding rule for the House (which is interesting); and B) all the rounding rules well-regarded by experts for this purpose (Webster, Huntington-Hill, some for Hamilton) produce the same winner, and this winner disagrees with the actual results of the election. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 15:49, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I keep bringing it up because it is the only way to make sense of your comparison between rounded and unrounded outcomes. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Each state has a certain number of votes. Those votes go to the candidate who wins the most votes in that state (in this election, all states used a winner-take-all rule for choosing electors). In a House of size , that number of votes is equal to , where the brackets denote rounding by whatever apportionment method. I am saying that if you dropped the brackets, i.e. if every state's electoral college apportionment was equal to two senators plus its exact entitlement in the house, the result would be different. In addition, if the entitlement had been done using any common rounding procedure (Webster, Huntington-Hill, Hamilton), the election results would have been different. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- And I am saying that dropping the rounding and determining the result of an election by the exact unrounded vote tally is exactly the definition of direct democracy. Whether you divide all vote counts by the same quota (without rounding) or whether you leave them as integer numbers of voters, the result is identical. What about this is difficult to understand? —David Eppstein (talk) 22:15, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Each state has a certain number of votes. Those votes go to the candidate who wins the most votes in that state (in this election, all states used a winner-take-all rule for choosing electors). In a House of size , that number of votes is equal to , where the brackets denote rounding by whatever apportionment method. I am saying that if you dropped the brackets, i.e. if every state's electoral college apportionment was equal to two senators plus its exact entitlement in the house, the result would be different. In addition, if the entitlement had been done using any common rounding procedure (Webster, Huntington-Hill, Hamilton), the election results would have been different. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I keep bringing it up because it is the only way to make sense of your comparison between rounded and unrounded outcomes. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean by "Therefore, rounding errors are not a cause of anything." If the results of an election would have been different with a different rounding algorithm, and also would have been correct if no rounding algorithm was used, I think it's fair to say the election results were caused by round-off errors. Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @David Eppstein: What changes would you propose to the current ALT1a? Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:07, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would not use ALT1a at all, because it is misleading. All (unfixed) elections are decided by the choices of the voters and the voting system used for the election. All representative systems round, and all rounding systems produce rounding errors. ALT1a suggests to the reader, incorrectly, that the result of the 1876 election was somehow the wrong result, and that if only people had known how to perform arithmetic correctly then the outcome would have been different. It was the correct result, for the voting system chosen for that election, and the arithmetic was performed correctly. Get off this hobbyhorse of correctness and error. Leave 1876 politics behind. Find a different and unrelated hook for this article. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also there were many problems with the 1876 United States presidential election apart from rounding methods, so it is not an ideal example of the effect of rounding. TSventon (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sure they were, but round-off error was definitely involved as well, as per the sources, no? —Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Also there were many problems with the 1876 United States presidential election apart from rounding methods, so it is not an ideal example of the effect of rounding. TSventon (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would not use ALT1a at all, because it is misleading. All (unfixed) elections are decided by the choices of the voters and the voting system used for the election. All representative systems round, and all rounding systems produce rounding errors. ALT1a suggests to the reader, incorrectly, that the result of the 1876 election was somehow the wrong result, and that if only people had known how to perform arithmetic correctly then the outcome would have been different. It was the correct result, for the voting system chosen for that election, and the arithmetic was performed correctly. Get off this hobbyhorse of correctness and error. Leave 1876 politics behind. Find a different and unrelated hook for this article. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:14, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- The nominator brought this up in the WP Discord asking for input. For what it's worth, David Eppstein's commentary is accurate. It is not acceptable in Wikivoice to say that these were "rounding errors" (ALT1A) or that it was not "correct" (ALT1), and ALT0/0A are deeply misleading. A new hook should be offered. This was an unavoidable quirk of the system chosen, but as already stated, there is inherently going to be drift in any system attempting to lodge fractional pegs into integer holes. That's exactly the problem being solved. Any alternative system could have other "haha look this number rounded to this wrong number" issues as well. SnowFire (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Quick edit to ward off an objection: there's two sense of "error". Of course there were rounding errors in the mathematical sense of the distance from the real number to the result, but there's also errors in the sense of "being wrong", which is how a standard reader will read hook 1A. But as discussed, no such error in that sense of the word was made. SnowFire (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- That's reasonable! I have no objections to tidying up the phrasing, and I can see how someone might misunderstand what I meant by "rounding errors". Do you have any suggestions for how to rephrase this more clearly? Do you think ALT1c looks good? Thanks! —Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
This was an unavoidable quirk of the system chosen, but as already stated, there is inherently going to be drift in any system attempting to lodge fractional pegs into integer holes.
- Quick edit to ward off an objection: there's two sense of "error". Of course there were rounding errors in the mathematical sense of the distance from the real number to the result, but there's also errors in the sense of "being wrong", which is how a standard reader will read hook 1A. But as discussed, no such error in that sense of the word was made. SnowFire (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with here, though. Yes, there is unavoidable drift (although I'd note the largest remainder methods don't violate quota rule) and in this case, the method used by Congress had an unusual/unavoidable quirk (which eventually led them to reject it). This quirk is interesting, which is why I think it makes a good DYK. —Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It's better, but TSventon's concern remains. The 1876 election is just an unusually weird example to pick - sure, the apportionment system mattered, but so did the decision for electoral votes to include Senators (i.e. Nevada having 3 votes rather than 1 vote). So did voter suppression in the South (this & many elections until the 1960s, alas). So did the Compromise of 1877. You've picked an election which was so close that just about everything could be said to have affected the result. Moreover, it's not even clear that this was the fault of the "algorithm used to decide rounding" - it depends on what exactly was going on with the "supplemental apportionment" that the Balinksi & Young source describes.
- Are there any non-1876 election related hooks to be had? If you really want to do one there, then I think we need some deep, ironclad sourcing from someone who both knows the politics AND the math behind it. So more than just passing mention or the half-page in Balinkski & Young. SnowFire (talk) 19:40, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is a more detailed account of the 1876 allocation on pages 71 and 72 of a US Government report here. But I am still not keen on an 1876 hook. TSventon (talk) 22:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree an 1876 source is not ideal. That said, if the supplemental apportionment was a true "fudge", then that wasn't the fault of any rounding method, that was just an exercise in raw power politics, which is a little off-topic from the article and thus not a great hook for a different reason. SnowFire (talk) 23:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- There is a more detailed account of the 1876 allocation on pages 71 and 72 of a US Government report here. But I am still not keen on an 1876 hook. TSventon (talk) 22:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with here, though. Yes, there is unavoidable drift (although I'd note the largest remainder methods don't violate quota rule) and in this case, the method used by Congress had an unusual/unavoidable quirk (which eventually led them to reject it). This quirk is interesting, which is why I think it makes a good DYK. —Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 6
editSam Carling
- ... that Sam Carling was the first UK MP born in the 21st century? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/06/labour-sam-carling-22-first-mp-born-in-21st-century
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rashmika Mandanna
- Comment: Drive-by nom. Some editors are allergic to "first" hooks, but as there is only a finite number of MPs and all of their ages are in the public domain I think we're safe.
Launchballer 20:12, 6 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment only. It's interesting that you say that
all of their ages are in the public domain
. I spent a few hours yesterday clearing Results of the 2024 United Kingdom general election by constituency of dozens of links to disambiguation pages. Very, very few of the new MP bios included a year of birth. I don't doubt that The Guardian has got its facts straight, but I do doubt that your statement holds true. If it was true, those bios would presumably have included birth years. Schwede66 05:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer 19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: The Guardian's just published an article saying that two further MPs were 24 at the time of election, and sniffing around some less than reputable sources (the @Tomorrow'sMPs Twitter account, which appears to be operated by Michael Crick) says that both Josh Dean (politician) and Euan Stainbank were born in 2000.
It would appear that Carling's constituency declared first, but I'll do a deep dive into live results when I'm finished with Dead Pony.I do note that the Guardian has not retracted the article cited on this page.--Launchballer 15:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)- According to the Economist, Stainbank's Falkirk declared at 3:47, Dean's Hertford and Stortford declared at 4:03, and Carling's North West Cambridgeshire declared at 5:59. However, I did some further digging, and it turns out I've got the start of the 21st century wrong as there is no year zero in the Anno Domini system. So I am right, but not for the reason I expected.--Launchballer 18:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: The Guardian's just published an article saying that two further MPs were 24 at the time of election, and sniffing around some less than reputable sources (the @Tomorrow'sMPs Twitter account, which appears to be operated by Michael Crick) says that both Josh Dean (politician) and Euan Stainbank were born in 2000.
- Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer 19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I don't think the provided QPQ is valid because no hook was actually reviewed. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Probably because there were no hooks on the page for me to review and because I was explicitly invited to propose one - the only valid hook on that page is ALT2, which is my hook. Reviewers often propose new hooks and call for new reviewers, I fail to see the difference.--Launchballer 16:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just to preempt a possible 'it's been a week without a QPQ' comment, my view remains that the provided QPQ is valid, on the grounds that the only hook on the page was mine, and I consider this no different to a reviewer saying 'this hook would be better, someone else needs to approve it'. I don't plan on doing a second. An actual reviewer can adjudicate on it.--Launchballer 11:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Coming up with a good hook is as much work as reviewing a hook. Hence, this is a valid QPQ in my books (at least in spirit, and if others see it differently, then I suggest IAR). Schwede66 04:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that the QPQ provided above should be fine. Yes a new opinion was requested, but that was only with regards to signing off a hook. Launchballer still did the actual article checks, which are ultimately what are most important to filling the QPQ requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just to preempt a possible 'it's been a week without a QPQ' comment, my view remains that the provided QPQ is valid, on the grounds that the only hook on the page was mine, and I consider this no different to a reviewer saying 'this hook would be better, someone else needs to approve it'. I don't plan on doing a second. An actual reviewer can adjudicate on it.--Launchballer 11:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Probably because there were no hooks on the page for me to review and because I was explicitly invited to propose one - the only valid hook on that page is ALT2, which is my hook. Reviewers often propose new hooks and call for new reviewers, I fail to see the difference.--Launchballer 16:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
agree with NLH5 and Schwede66 :) full review needed. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:00, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Reviewing this after there seems to be agreement that the qpq is acceptable. Also noting that the 21st century started in 2001, so the fact other MP's were born in 2000 does not negate the validity of the hook.
Currently Executive Councillor links to a disambig page. Please can this be updated to point towards a specific article?
@Launchballer: Please let me know if you have any questions about this review? CSJJ104 (talk) 13:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Flicking through the page's history, I am 100% certain they got it from us. I'll do the rest when I get back from shopping.--Launchballer 14:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 7
editMotibai Kapadia
- ... that Motibai Kapadia is credited as the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India?
- ALT1: ... that the Indian female physician Motibai Kapadia was in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital in Ahmedabad for 36 years from 1889? Source: "after returning from Britain, Kapadia was appointed in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital for women, and remained there for 36 years."[19].
- Reviewed: ABC Cinema, Brighton
Whispyhistory (talk) 17:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC).
- @Whispyhistory:, "Scope-Journal.com" seems to be a hijacked journal. 48JCL 20:04, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thankyou... Whispyhistory (talk) 07:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Huang Wenxiu
- ... that following her death in 2019, Huang Wenxiu was elevated into a national model by the Chinese Communist Party in recognition of her work as a party secretary of a village in rural China?
- ALT1: ... that Huang Wenxiu gave up looking for a professional job in Beijing and decided to take part in poverty alleviation in rural China? Source: China’s Communist Party tries to create a new hero for the masses - Washington Post
芳华无悔——追记用生命坚守初心和使命的青年共产党员黄文秀 - Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Alasan Ann
Toadboy123 (talk) 13:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 8
edit1954 Busan Yongdusan fire
- ... that 30 royal portraits of Korean kings were completely lost in a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea?
- Source: completely lost
- ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea, caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
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00101984hjw (talk) 04:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC).
- Please wikilink the target article in bold font in those hooks. Schwede66 05:46, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- I modified the original post to add wikilinks. 211.43.120.242 (talk) 14:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Helping out with a ref for both hooks [20] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
We did it, Joe!
- ... that Keke Palmer did an impression of "We did it, Joe!" to Kamala Harris's face?
- Source: "Palmer loves that meme so much, in fact, that she did her Kamala Harris, "We did it, Joe!" impression in front of Harris herself." (NBC)
- ALT1: ... that Doug Emhoff filmed Kamala Harris saying "We did it, Joe"? Source: https://www.businessinsider.com/kamala-harris-we-did-it-joe-recorded-by-doug-emhoff-2022-8
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Piano Quintet (Shostakovich)
Spaghettifier (talk) 20:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: Article new and long enough. Passes earwig, no close paraphrasing was found, and the hook seems interesting. QPQ done. Toadboy123 (talk) 18:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Spaghettifier, Toadboy123, and AirshipJungleman29: I can't call the race for this hook just yet, unfortunately :) it looks like there are a few things we need to fix up. First, there are a couple of unsourced statements in the article, and some statements sourced to really-not-great publications like BuzzFeed and Distractify. Second, the operative text of the hook is taken from BuzzFeed's headline (I'm sure by accident!). Third, the background section is... uncomfortably big. Once it's pared back, I'm not sure if the article would survive a WP:NOPAGE challenge, but let's resolve those problems first and then a merge discussion is hopefully avoidable. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 09:27, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 9
editDurrës Expedition
- ... that the Durrës Expedition in 1376 saw Louis of Évreux successfully recapture Durrës from Karl Thopia, only for Thopia to reclaim the city in 1383?
- Source: J. M. Hussey. The Cambridge medieval history. Volume IV. Part I, The Byzantine empire. Byzantium and its neighbours. University Press. p. 419. ISBN 978-0-5210-4535-3. "...The Navarrese Company succeeded in occupying Durazzo, apparently in the midsummer of 1376..."
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Overall: The article otherwise looks good, with AGF on the offline sources. IceWelder [✉] 16:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Customary ping @Arberian2444. IceWelder [✉] 07:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
superseded combination
- ... that a superseded combination is not the same as a synonym and technically should not be called one?
- Source: Tammy HORTON; Serge GOFAS; Andreas KROH; Gary C.B. POORE; Geoffrey READ; Gary ROSENBERG; Sabine STÖHR; Nicolas BAILLY; Nicole BOURY-ESNAULT; Simone N. BRANDÃO; Mark J. COSTELLO; Wim DECOCK; Stefanie DEKEYZER; Francisco HERNANDEZ; Jan MEES; Gustav PAULAY; Leen VANDEPITTE; Bart VANHOORNE; Sofie VRANKEN (2017). "Improving nomenclatural consistency: a decade of experience in the World Register of Marine Species" (PDF). European Journal of Taxonomy (389): 1-24. doi:10.5852/ejt.2017.389. ISSN 2118-9773. OCLC 8538908866. Archived (PDF) from the original on 19 April 2024. Retrieved 8 July 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Libotonius
- Comment: I welcome alternate hook suggestions.
awkwafaba (📥) 18:44, 9 July 2024 (UTC).
- Too easy! ALT1: ... that a superseded combination is not a synonym for a synonym? :P theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:02, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 10
editLeonhard Kaiser
- ... that Leonhard Kaiser, a student of Martin Luther, was burned at the stake on this day in 1527 after being declared guilty of heresy?
- Source: "...Kaiser... was arrested in March 1527, imprisoned, and finally interrogated. Charges against him included teaching justification through faith alone, contempt for good works, and heresy on several other issues, such as the Mass and its canon, confession and satisfaction, the other sacraments, freedom of the will, purgatory, invocation of the saints, and the power of the papacy. He was burned for his Lutheran beliefs on 16 August 1527. Entreaties on his behalf from Elector John of Saxony (r. 1525–1532) and Margrave Casimir of Brandenburg availed not at all. Luther wrote him a letter of consolation during his imprisonment. His death occasioned a propaganda exchange. Nine editions of an anonymous description of his execution elicited defenses of their respective positions from his instructor, Martin Luther" The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Reformation
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jay Horwitz
- Comment: I would like this to run on August 16th.
Alt hooks welcome!
Thriley (talk) 15:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
- Article new enough (moved to mainspace July 10), long enough (3300 B). Hook is interesting if run on August 16. However, I'm seeing the article has a statement with a citation needed tag, which you'll need to address before I approve.— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 01:45, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thriley I should have tagged you for this. — Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 02:03, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: I could not find a source for the 1977 memorial service. I think I am going to remove mention of it so the nomination can proceed. Thriley (talk) 14:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 11
editMarina Kondratyeva
... that Marina Kondratyeva (pictured), a leading ballerina and later master tutor of the Bolshoi Ballet, ...?Source: [21]- ALT1 ... that ballerina Marina Kondratyeva (pictured) was said to be "weightless, airy, poetic and spiritual"? Source [22]
ALT2 ... that ballerina Marina Kondratyeva (pictured) performed in London in 1956 during the Cold War, with the Bolshoi troupe?Source [23]ALT3 ... that ballerina Marina Kondratyeva (pictured) taught her Bolshoi pupils to fill a role with individual character?Source [24]- ALT4 ... that ballerina Marina Kondratyeva (pictured) served the Bolshoi Ballet and its school for over 70 years? Source [25] Storye book (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Reviewed:
to comeCharles de Geer - Comment: This ballerina and later master tutor of the Bolshoi Ballet in a career spanning 70 years had no article yet, and I believe should be known (beyond the appearance in Recent deaths). I also believe that the image would transfer much better than any words what she stood for, or soared for. If you feel the same please donate a hook. I am tired of having mine rejected. I'll be out for the day, but will review later. You can pick from the lead:
- Marina Viktorovna Kondratyeva (Russian: Марина Викторовна Кондратьева, pronounced [mɐˈrʲinə ˈvʲiktərəvnə kɐnˈdratʲjɪvə]; 1 February 1934 – 8 July 2024) was a Russian ballerina at the Bolshoi Ballet. Described as "weightless, airy, poetic and spiritual", she is known for roles such as Juliet in Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet and as Adam's Giselle. She toured with the troupe to London and the Metropolitan Opera. She became a master tutor at the Bolshoi, passing the troupe's tradition for decades.
- Reviewed:
Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
- Note 1: I have added ALTs 1–4. Note 2. If the qpq is delayed, please contact me, because I can donate a qpq. (I am not reviewing this).. Storye book (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the offers. I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Charles De Geer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:00, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- The full review is to follow, but taking a look at the article and the sources, there are multiple statements that are not supported by the sources. These include:
- Being recommended by Vaganova to the Moscow Choreographic School's class (Vaganova's name appears nowhere in the linked Bolshoi Theatre profile).
- Being trained by Marina Semionova, and being trained by her exclusively (Semionova is not mentioned either in the Bolshoi page or the Die Welt source).
- Developing the performance traditions of Galina Ulanova (neither Ulanova nor the developing of the traditions are in the source).
- This is still an incomplete list as I haven't checked every statement yet, but the issues need to be resolved before the article can be passed. In addition, large parts of the article are cited to the Bolshoi Theatre's website. I'm personally okay with that as I think the statements they provide are uncontroversial, but other editors have a stricter reading of WP:PRIMARY and thus may object to the heavy reliance on that single website, especially when the theatre was her long-time employer. I can see the article being brought up at WT:DYK or ERRORS if the issue isn't resolved. The article was created on July 9 and was nominated on the 18th, which is two days late. However, per the guidelines and given the shortness of the delay I'm willing to allow an IAR exemption in this case.
- Among the hooks, ALT4 is perhaps the best option, but it's not directly supported by either the source or the article. The hook says she served the theatre for over 70 years, but the article instead refers to the 70th anniversary of her joining, and there is no mention if she remained part of the theatre the whole time or not. The source also does not refer to her serving the theatre for 70 years, only the anniversary. If ALT4 cannot be used, ALT1 is the best backup option: it is verified in the source. The other options do not seem to meet DYKINT and are thus struck. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The Bolshoi Theatre is one of few sources about her in English. Is there any fear of its pages about her being promotional? Another source is The New York Times, which has a headline: "Ballet: Bolshoi's 'Giselle' Is a Delight / Marina Kondratieva Excels in Title Role / Poise and Authority Infuse Company". GRuban, I am sure that there is secondary source coverage in Russian - during her dancing career and her tutoring career, which is very tedious for me to find, translate and put in perspective. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- The issue isn't necessarily promotion but rather the use of primary sources themselves. See WP:PRIMARY:
Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.
Basing large parts of the article on primary sources like the Bolshoi article isn't necessarily wrong or prohibited, but it can raise alarm bells especially for other editors. At the very least they're not ideal, especially when interpretations get involved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)- I know that, have known it four more than a decade. Repeating, also: I am sure there was a lot of coverage in secondary sources but in a language I don't speak, so I'd have a hard time to find them.
- ALT5: ... that when Marina Kondratyeva appeared as Giselle (pictured) with the Bolshoi Ballet at the Metropolitan Opera in 1962, the headline of the New York Times said that she excelled in the title role? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:19, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of what hook to use (I'm personally not a fan of ALT5 due to being too detailed and not being direct to the point, and let's be honest here, being praised for performing the lead role isn't exactly a hooky hook), the issuse with primary sourcing and the unsupported statements need to be addressed. Otherwise, the nomination may have to be failed for not meeting the guidelines. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- I am busy with Wolfgang Rihm, and I hope for GRuban's help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Regardless of what hook to use (I'm personally not a fan of ALT5 due to being too detailed and not being direct to the point, and let's be honest here, being praised for performing the lead role isn't exactly a hooky hook), the issuse with primary sourcing and the unsupported statements need to be addressed. Otherwise, the nomination may have to be failed for not meeting the guidelines. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- The issue isn't necessarily promotion but rather the use of primary sources themselves. See WP:PRIMARY:
- The Bolshoi Theatre is one of few sources about her in English. Is there any fear of its pages about her being promotional? Another source is The New York Times, which has a headline: "Ballet: Bolshoi's 'Giselle' Is a Delight / Marina Kondratieva Excels in Title Role / Poise and Authority Infuse Company". GRuban, I am sure that there is secondary source coverage in Russian - during her dancing career and her tutoring career, which is very tedious for me to find, translate and put in perspective. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 13
editLeanne Mohamad
- ... that despite not being affiliated with a political party, Leanne Mohamad came within 528 votes of defeating shadow health secretary Wes Streeting in the 2024 UK general election?
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Not created by myself, but expanded (hopefully) sufficiently to get it up to DYK status.
Iostn (talk) 19:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC).
- Note: the original hook was above 200 characters and thus cannot be used. Below are truncated versions that meet the requirements:
- ALT0a ... that despite not being affiliated with a political party, Leanne Mohamad came within 528 votes of defeating shadow health secretary Wes Streeting in the 2024 UK general election?
- ALT0b ... that despite being an independent candidate, Leanne Mohamad came within 528 votes of defeating shadow health secretary Wes Streeting in the 2024 UK general election?
- The original hook is thus struck: a full review is still needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @User:Narutolovehinata5 The hook (initially under 100chs) got messed with by the page creator... who has seemingly been making a lot of dubious changes, including to the page itself. I'll really have to re-review this, even if it was fine beforehand... Iostn (talk) 19:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Mama (My Chemical Romance song)
... that Liza Minnelli appeared on a song by My Chemical Romance?
- Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/my-chemical-romance-best-songs-8543517/ -- "...and a guest appearance from none other than Liza Minnelli herself, “Mama” still stands as one of the craziest and most entertaining songs MCR has ever put out."
- ALT1: ... that the My Chemical Romance song "Mama" was written on a bet that Ray Toro could not write a polka in the band's style? Source: https://www.altpress.com/my-chemical-romance-the-black-parade-facts-trivia/ -- "The crew made bets that Ray Toro couldn’t possibly write a polka in their own style, a challenge which the mastermind obviously passed."
- ALT2: ... that the demo for the My Chemical Romance song "Mama" was recorded inside a haunted mansion? Source: 'Not the Life It Seems: The True Lives of My Chemical Romance.' -- Page 154, "You can almost see the ghosts flying around the room when we recorded those songs. Especially that "Mama" song. When we played that at Paramour..." + https://www.altpress.com/the-black-parade-curse-my-chemical-romance/ -- "The Black Parade was partially written and recorded in a notoriously haunted mansion called the Paramour"
- ALT3: ... that mamas sang on "Mama"? Source: https://www.kerrang.com/the-20-greatest-my-chemical-romance-songs-ranked -- "...before widening out into a pirate shanty sung by the Way brothers’ parents and Frank Iero’s mum."
- Reviewed:
Leafy46 (talk) 22:14, 16 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but I have struck ALT0 as it fails WP:DYKINT (it's dependent on knowing who both Liza Minnelli and My Chemical Romance are), ALT1 would be better if it ended at 'bet' (and replaced 'on' with 'for'), and ALT3 is adorable.--Launchballer 19:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Margaret Eliza Maltby
- ... that physicist Margaret Eliza Maltby hid the birth of her child and then re-adopted him years later?
- Source: In 2014, Autosomal DNA tests indicated that Philip Randolph Meyer was Maltby's natural son. He was born in June 1897, six months after Maltby's sudden resignation from Wellesley College. When Maltby returned to a research position in Germany in 1898, she left her son in the care of a friend who had a nursery. Upon taking up a post at Barnard College in 1901, Maltby reunited with Meyer. (Gill, Raymond (Spring–Summer 2016). "Genetics & Genealogy - Miss Maltby and Her Ward: Using DNA to Investigate a Family Mystery". American Ancestors. 17 (2): 49–52.)
- ALT1: ... that in 1895 Margaret Eliza Maltby became the first woman to earn a PhD in physics in Germany? Source: Margaret Maltby earned her PhD in physics in 1895 at the University of Göttingen. [26]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Sorry for the probable poor formatting of the source, my first time trying this!
Physhist (talk) 11:45, 15 July 2024 (UTC).
- I can take this on. This'll be my first review as well, but I think I should be able to handle it! As such though, per WP:DYKRI, I'd like a second opinion (bolding just for emphasis to those scrolling by).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting:
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed:
- Used in article:
- Clear at 100px: - With two people, Maltby (who should be the subject) is a bit hard to make out imo. May I suggest cropping the image, or using the image in the infobox instead?
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Very nice hooks! Unfortunately, I have quite a few concerns about sourcing in both the hooks and the article itself. For ALT1, I cannot access the complete source, however the excerpt provided only supports that Maltby earned her PhD in Germany, not that she was the first woman to do so. As for ALT0, the listed excerpt does not explicitly mention that she "hid the birth" of her son, nor does it say that she "re-adopted" him (I'm not sure if that can be conflated with "reunited"). Is there a different source which is more specific?
As for checks in the article itself, most of the sources are offline/paywalled, so I'm assuming good faith. Source #4 says that Maltby was the "first American woman allowed to take a degree" at the university, but it does not seem to support that she was the first woman overall to earn a Ph.D. in Germany. Source #25 should probably not be attributed to Encyclopedia.com, but rather to Women in World History: A Biographical Encyclopedia in line with the page's source (and at that, the source does not support the passage written in the article saying that Maltby received a star in her listing within the AMS). The article could also do with a slight copyedit, with some grammatical errors (quite a few missing commas and some choppy wording here and there) and citation numbers in the wrong order. Sorry that that's a lot, hopefully you're up for it! Leafy46 (talk) 16:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- If we don't have rock-solid evidence that anything "first" is certain, we should not consider such a hook. These claims end up at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors way too often. Schwede66 04:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Physhist: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 20:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Behrman 2020 has all of this info, but that is a self citation so I'd prefer not to use that. I probably don't have time to fix the errors in the article very quickly, so feel free to withdraw this nomination if it needs to be done quickly. Physhist (talk) 20:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Margaret Coe
- ... that seven paintings by impressionist painter Margaret Coe belong to the Oregon Legislative Assembly, including Crater Lake #2 (pictured) on display at the Oregon State Capitol?
- Source: Oregon Legislature, Public Art Archive
- ALT1: ... that Crater Lake #2 (pictured), on display at the Oregon State Capitol, was painted by Margaret Coe, the 8th great granddaughter of colonist Robert Coe? Source: Oregon Legislature, Robert Coe, Puritan, Olmstead, Henry King (2021). Olmsted genealogy, third-fourth supplement, 1923-28. Hassell Street Press. ISBN 1013458974., "Curtis Claire Coe". Statesman Journal. October 29, 1996.
- Reviewed: NA
- Comment: I'm partial to Alt1. I'm a historian, so I imagine Alt0 is more interesting to a general audience.
AnotherColonialHistorian (talk) 21:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but are we sure that the impressionist painting by Coe is released under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license? The source is offline, so it's difficult to check. I'm not sure if the Oregon Legislature and Coe would need to agree to jointly release the work in order for the license to be valid. Bremps... 19:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Updating with what I could find online. Ownership was transferred to the State of Oregon, per [27]. AnotherColonialHistorian (talk) 14:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Nathaniel Coe
- ... that the founder of Hood River, Oregon, Nathaniel Coe (pictured), a great-grandfather of Tony Goldwyn and descendant of Robert Coe, wrote the first women's rights law in the New York State Assembly?
- ALT1: ... that the founder of Hood River, Oregon, Nathaniel Coe (pictured), a great-grandfather of Tony Goldwyn and descendant of Robert Coe, served four terms in the New York State Assembly? Source: History of Allegany county, History of Livingston County, New York
- ALT2: ... that the founder of Hood River, Oregon, Nathaniel Coe (pictured), a great-grandfather of Tony Goldwyn and descendant of Robert Coe, declined a nomination to serve on the United States Senate? Source: Columbia Gorge News
- ALT3: ... that the founder of Hood River, Oregon, Nathaniel Coe (pictured), a great-grandfather of Tony Goldwyn and descendant of Robert Coe, was appointed by Millard Fillmore as a Special Postal Agent? Source: Oregon Historical Society Research Library
- ALT4: ... that the founder of Hood River, Oregon, Nathaniel Coe (pictured), a great-grandfather of Tony Goldwyn and descendant of Robert Coe, served in all three branches of state government? Source: Oregon Historical Society Research Library
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fred Thomas (British politician)
- Comment: Open to other hooks. He was a very interesting person to learn about!
AnotherColonialHistorian (talk) 15:16, 13 July 2024 (UTC).
1974 Speech of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman at the United Nations
- ... that the day of 1974 Speech of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman at the United Nations has been observed as 'Bangladeshi Immigration Day' in New York since 2019?
- Source: The Daily Star
- ALT1: ... that Bangladeshi prime minister Sheikh Hasina has been giving speeches in Bengali at United Nations General Assembly sessions inspired by her father's 1974 speech? Source: Somoy TV
- ALT2: ... that 1974 Speech of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman is the first speech in Bengali at the United Nations? Source: "বঙ্গবন্ধুর ভাষণের ভূয়সী প্রশংসা". The Daily Ittefaq (in Bengali). 27 September 1974. pp. 1, 6.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dr. Dot
- Comment: I used materials from United Nations documents. According to this they are in the public domain worldwide so please don't flag them as copyright infringement. Also if you can please do copyedit on the article. If you need proof of the validity of offline sources then they can be arranged.
Mehedi Abedin 11:26, 13 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 14
editTrump raised-fist photographs
- ... that photographs of Donald Trump taken during the failed attempt to assassinate him have been acclaimed as "immediately legendary"?
- Source: https://archive.fo/yJPJj
- ALT1: ... that photographs of Donald Trump taken during the failed attempt to assassinate him have been called "one of the most iconic [...] in American history"? Source: https://apnews.com/article/trump-photo-flag-iconic-bullet-f668b7dcc7b365a319a5daaac582775d
- Reviewed:
User:WoodElf 02:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC).
- ALT2: ... that Evan Vucci, who photographed Donald Trump raising his fist after an assassination attempt, also photographed the George W. Bush shoeing incident? Sources: Telegraph, Australian Levivich (talk) 18:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- That's a good one.—Alalch E. 19:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Liber OZ
- ... that in 1941 Aleister Crowley issued a manifesto of human rights which included the controversial assertion of the right to commit tyrannicide?
- Source: Crowley, Aleister; et. al. (2004) [1997]. "Editor's note to p. 689 Appendix VIII". In Hymenaeus Beta (ed.). Magick: Liber ABA, Book 4, parts I-IV (2nd. rev. ed.). York Beach, Maine: S. Weiser. p. 788: "[...] but I've got them down to five sections: moral, bodily, mental, sexual freedom, and the safeguard tyrannicide [...]".
- Reviewed:
Skyerise (talk) 11:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment only – the hook is falling foul of WP:EGG. The link to tyrannicide should point to tyrannicide the way this is written. Schwede66 04:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Point taken, I revised it. Skyerise (talk) 10:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Upper Ivory Coast
- ... that most of present-day Burkina Faso was part of the Upper Ivory Coast administrative region from 1938 to 1947?
Soman (talk) 14:37, 14 July 2024 (UTC).
- Is there a reliable source for this assertion? simongraham (talk) 12:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. See [28] (p. 135), "Devenue la Haute - Côte - d'Ivoire , plus de la moitié du territoire burkinabè , où résident plus des deux tiers de sa population , est rattachée à la colonie ivoirienne ." --Soman (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. The page cited also notes the years. Earwig gives 0% chance of copyright violation, which is very impressive. QPQ is confirmed. I do not feel that the hook is as compelling as could be. Is there an interesting reason why Burkina Faso did not exist between 1938 and 1947 and was rather absorbed into Upper Ivory Coast? simongraham (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, the name Burkina Faso was not in use until 1984 (thus the wording 'present-day Burkina Faso'). There was a French colony called Upper Volta, which later became the Republic of Upper Volta which later was renamed Burkina Faso. Upper Volta was, as indicated in the article, abolished in 1932 and most of its territory merged into Ivory Coast. These parts merged with Ivory Coast became the region of Upper Ivory Coast in 1938. Essentially, which is implied in the article, the French used Upper Volta/Upper Ivory Coast as a pool for recruitment of labour for their plantations in (lower) Ivory Coast. Upper Volta was reconstituted in 1947 due to the pressure of Mossi elites. --Soman (talk) 11:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- That is interesting. Do you think there is anything we can add to or change in the hook to make it more compelling? simongraham (talk) 07:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, the name Burkina Faso was not in use until 1984 (thus the wording 'present-day Burkina Faso'). There was a French colony called Upper Volta, which later became the Republic of Upper Volta which later was renamed Burkina Faso. Upper Volta was, as indicated in the article, abolished in 1932 and most of its territory merged into Ivory Coast. These parts merged with Ivory Coast became the region of Upper Ivory Coast in 1938. Essentially, which is implied in the article, the French used Upper Volta/Upper Ivory Coast as a pool for recruitment of labour for their plantations in (lower) Ivory Coast. Upper Volta was reconstituted in 1947 due to the pressure of Mossi elites. --Soman (talk) 11:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. The page cited also notes the years. Earwig gives 0% chance of copyright violation, which is very impressive. QPQ is confirmed. I do not feel that the hook is as compelling as could be. Is there an interesting reason why Burkina Faso did not exist between 1938 and 1947 and was rather absorbed into Upper Ivory Coast? simongraham (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. See [28] (p. 135), "Devenue la Haute - Côte - d'Ivoire , plus de la moitié du territoire burkinabè , où résident plus des deux tiers de sa population , est rattachée à la colonie ivoirienne ." --Soman (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 15
editA. Sreekar Prasad filmography
- ... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad won the National Award for Best Editing in his debut film Raakh in 1989 and was the first-ever recipient of the Special Jury Award for editing in 2009?
- ALT1: ... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad holds a record for editing films in 17 different languages? Source: https://www.newindianexpress.com/entertainment/malayalam/2020/Feb/28/film-editor-sreekar-prasad-enters-the-limca-book-of-records-2109444.html
- ALT2: ... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad holds a record for editing films in 17 different languages and has won eight National Awards from five different Presidents between 1988 and 2010?
- Reviewed:
Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment The obvious problem is that your hooks don't link the nominated article. Next problem is that the nominated article should appear in bold font. Schwede66 23:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- User:Schwede66, I have linked them to A. Sreekar Prasad filmography and have made them bold. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 06:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
S1/S2 (Amsterdam Metro)
- ... that the S1/S2 rolling stock of the Amsterdam Metro was also a tram? Source: Article.
- Reviewed: Grant Nel
- Comment: Possibility of changing the "was" to "is" as one unit is preserved (and another is still temporarily being used for shunting).
Styyx (talk) 18:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC).
- @Styyx: As tomorrow will be one week since the nomination, please provide a QPQ as soon as possible. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Re-ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- I forgor Styyx (talk) 10:23, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Re-ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:24, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Tukdam
- ... that the Dalai Lama persuaded scientists to study a Buddhist tradition?
- Source: * Lott, Dylan T.; Yeshi, Tenzin; Norchung, N.; Dolma, Sonam; et al. (2021-01-28). "No Detectable Electroencephalographic Activity After Clinical Declaration of Death Among Tibetan Buddhist Meditators in Apparent Tukdam, a Putative Postmortem Meditation State". Frontiers in Psychology. 11. doi:10.3389/fpsyg.2020.599190. ISSN 1664-1078. PMC 7876463. PMID 33584435.
Tukdam Project, developed in conversations between Dr. Richard J. Davidson and His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, the XIV Dalai Lama ... Dalai Lama regularly speaks of the importance of scientific research on tukdam in his public talks to the Tibetan community
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This looks like my last free QpQ ticket
Викидим (talk) 01:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 16
editPontic Greek culture
- ... that traditional folk dances are an essential part of Pontic Greek culture?
- ALT1: ... that during traditional Pontic Greek Easter celebrations, a feathered potato keeps an "eye" on the children? Source: [4]
- ALT2: ... that in a traditional Pontic Greek folktale, a girl with teeth the size of hatchets indiscriminately killed and ate people? Source: [5]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I know it's a long article, so to make it a bit easier for you to find the references in the text:
The citations for for the first hook are refs 99, 100, and 101 in the article (under the "Dance" section). The citations for the first alt hook is ref 235 under the "Holidays" section, "Lent and Easter" subsection. The citation for the second alt hook is ref 154 under the "Folktales" section.
Kravk (talk) 15:16, 17 July 2024 (UTC).
References
- ^ Georgoulas, Renee; Southcott, Jane (2015). "A case study of a Greek Australian traditional dancer: Embodying identity through musicking". Victorian Journal of Music Education. 1: 12.
The Pontians brought their histories, personal narratives, language, religion and dance and from these constructed their collective identity [...] Dance is a vital part of Pontian society.
- ^ Liddle, Valerie (2016). "Pontic dance: Feeling the absence of homeland". In Hemer, Susan R.; Dundon, Alison (eds.). Emotions, Senses, Spaces: Ethnographic Engagements and Intersections (PDF). University of Adelaide Press. p. 49. ISBN 9781925261271.
The movements of the dance outwardly express the passion the dancers feel about what it means to be Pontian.
- ^ Tyrovola, Vasiliki; Karepidis, Ioakeim K.; Kardaris, Dionysios G. (September 30, 2007). ""Ποντιακοί Χοροί": Παρελθόν και Παρόν Δομική-Μορφολογική και Τυπολογική Προσέγγιση" ["Pontic Dances": Past and Present Structural-Morphological and Typological Approach]. Inquiries in Sport and Physical Education (in Greek). 5 (2): 242. ISSN 1790-3041.
Στο πλαίσιο της προσφυγικής αλληλεγγύης και της επικύρωσης της ποντιακής ταυτότητας, ιδρύθηκαν τοπικοί ποντιακοί σύλλογοι, οι οποίοι κυρίως μέσω του χορού και της μουσικής, ενεργοποίησαν, παράλληλα με το κέφι και τη διάδοση της ποντιακής κουλτούρας, αισθήματα κοινοκτημοσύνης και κοινωνικής ταυτότητας.
- ^ Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 133–134.
Children were watched over by the "koukara", a potato in which seven feathers had been stuck and which was then hung from the roof. Children were told that it would see them and something bad would happen to them if they were to eat anything that should not be eaten during the period of Lent.
- ^ Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 112–118.
The following tale, told in Amisos Pontos, about a girl whose teeth looked like hatchets is provided [...] 'Once upon a time, in a village of Sampsounta, there was born a wild girl. As days passed, this girl became bigger, and her teeth were getting much bigger as well. When she was ten years old, her teeth looked like hatchets. They would bite anyone who crossed her path. This wild girl also had a brother, two years younger than she. A day did not pass without her biting anyone [...] When she reached fifteen years of age, she ate a young child.'
Articles created/expanded on July 17
editBabydog
... that Babydog (pictured), who is a "little rascal who looks like a brown watermelon that loves everybody" and loves chicken nuggets from Wendy's, is a fixture in West Virginia politics?- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Josef Hoop
- Comment: Late nomination as this was at afd. Alt hooks welcome!
Thriley (talk) 02:07, 27 July 2024 (UTC).
- Personally I think the hook is too long and has too many facts. Might I suggest: ALT1: ... that Babydog (pictured) loves chicken nuggets? (Source: https://www.washingtonian.com/2024/07/17/not-to-brag-but-i-personally-know-babydog/) Di (they-them) (talk) 02:22, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the article was nominated late due to an AFD discussion, this will probably need to have an IAR exemption request at WT:DYK to run. For what it's worth I'd support an IAR just this once since I find the hook interesting and cute, but rules are rules. For next time, my suggestion would be that if you have an article that's been AFD'd, you should nominate it ASAP instead of waiting for the AFD to end, just to make sure it meets the 7-day requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I asked for an exemption at Wikipedia talk:Did you know and consensus seems to me that it's OK, so it should be good to go if you want to review it. Di (they-them) (talk) 04:48, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Given that the article was nominated late due to an AFD discussion, this will probably need to have an IAR exemption request at WT:DYK to run. For what it's worth I'd support an IAR just this once since I find the hook interesting and cute, but rules are rules. For next time, my suggestion would be that if you have an article that's been AFD'd, you should nominate it ASAP instead of waiting for the AFD to end, just to make sure it meets the 7-day requirement. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:26, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
ALT2 that Babydog (pictured) is a fixture in West Virginia politics? Thriley (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hooks need sources, so this one is sourced to: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/17/babydog-rnc-convention-jim-justice-west-virginia/ - Di (they-them) (talk) 04:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Killing of Mohammad Bhar
- ... that Mohammad Bhar, a Palestinian man with Down syndrome and autism, was killed after a dog attack in the Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war?
- ALT1 ... that a Palestinian man with Down syndrome and autism was killed after a dog attack in the Gaza Strip during the Israel–Hamas war?
Makeandtoss (talk) 10:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC).
- not a full review, but I'm concerned that the article does not clearly separate what is known to be true and what is filled in by the family's story. It seems that actually verifiable information here is minimal. Also, I have WP:NEVENT concerns here. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:18, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- All statements are attributed and the article fulfills the notability guideline of having received significant coverage in a diversity of RS. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
The Eternaut
- ... that Héctor Germán Oesterheld (pictured) repurposed his initial plans for a sequel of the comic The Eternaut as a novel?
- Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived (PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
Cambalachero (talk) 13:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
The Eternaut 1969
- ... that Alberto Breccia shifted towards horror comics with The Eternaut 1969?
- ALT1 ... that The Eternaut 1969 is a reboot of the original comic, with an anti-imperialist tone?
- Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived (PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
- Reviewed: No Obligation
Cambalachero (talk) 19:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC).
- @Cambalachero: not a full review, but I'm not sure how this hook leave[s] the reader wanting to know more. Is there another hook that could be used? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Cambalachero: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 20:10, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- An alternate hook has already been proposed Cambalachero (talk) 20:28, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Lots of unsourced content. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
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- Just jumping in to say that plot sections are not usually required to have references per WP:PLOTSOURCE.--Launchballer 12:15, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Poleteismo
- ... that artist Mideo Cruz faced criminal complaints over an art installation?
- Source: GMA news
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
03:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: This article is very poor quality. Many paragraphs are unsourced and contain non-neutral content and WP:WTW. There is also excessive quoting in violation of WP:LIMITED, and significant close paraphrasing throughout the article. Significant work is needed to comply with DYK standards. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:32, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Specific, friendly actionable advice: try balancing "Criticism" and "Defense", as the latter section is about four times longer than the former. The article seems like it's trying to bludgeon criticism to death. Bremps... 16:22, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- @AirshipJungleman29 and Bremps: Have the concerns been addressed yet? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Not yet, still working on other nominations.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
01:57, 1 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not yet, still working on other nominations.
- @AirshipJungleman29 and Bremps: Have the concerns been addressed yet? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 18
editMasada myth
- ... that although Israel honored 27 ancient Masada skeletons with a state funeral in 1969, the story of "freedom fighters' patriotic last stand" is now known to be a myth?
- Source: Ben-Yehuda, Nachman (1996). Masada Myth: Collective Memory and Mythmaking in Israel. University of Wisconsin Press. ISBN 978-0-299-14833-1, p. xxi: "The bones of twenty-seven humans found on Masada are brought to burial in an official state ceremony."; pages 241-243: "The affair began in October 1963… Immediately, there were newspaper reports to the effect that the remains were probably of the fighters of Masada, and a state burial ceremony was called for. This issue was raised in March 1967, once again, by the same Shlomo Lorentz of the ultra-Orthodox party Agudat Israel. In a blazing speech in the Knesset he demanded that the remains of the skeletons found on Masada should be given a Jewish burial. Mr. Aharon Yadlin, then the minister of culture and education, pointed out that the Jewish identity of the skeletons had not been established and suggested passing the whole issue on to one of the Knesset’s committees. His suggestion was accepted. In fact, the Knesset’s Committee on Culture and Education held a discussion with Yadin on this particular issue in February and March of 1968… On March 12, 1969, Yigael Yadin told Haaretz that he was opposed to a public burial ceremony. He stated that the evidence of the identity of the skeletons was not conclusive enough. He also stated that he believed that the bones were those of the people of Masada but that he lacked definitive proof. In response to this, the spokesman for the Ministry of Religious Affairs stated the next day, also in Haaretz, that “the heroes of Masada came there from Jerusalem and fought the war of the holy city; therefore, it is only natural that their bones would find their final resting place on the Mount of Olives, which was a Jewish cemetery during the days of the Second Temple…. on July 7, 1969, the skeletons that had been uncovered by Yadin’s excavations about five years earlier were brought to burial in a full and formal military ceremony near Masada, at a place called “the hill of the defenders… An impressive array of dignitaries (including Menachem Begin, Yigael Yadin, and Rabbi Shlomo Goren) were present at the burial ceremonies."
Onceinawhile (talk) 05:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk) 09:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think this is that bad to deserve a cross, but you'll definitely want to add a cite to the first paragraph of Yadin's executions at minimum, and that's before interrogating any of the sources.--Launchballer 14:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks @Launchballer: I have added a cross-ref (it had been referenced at the end of the paragraph, but the paragraph was then split in to two). Re the IP's comments, the citation quote gives all the info about the funeral, and the rest of his book is about the myth. I guess the IP is referring to the latter question. I can bring some more quotes if helpful.
- For context, all the sources in the article say essentially the same thing – there is only one known original source for this event, Josephus. The Israeli national myth version differs from that story in a number of significant ways. We can add some nuance to the words "is now known to be a myth" if that is helpful, but the underlying point is beyond doubt.
- Onceinawhile (talk) 16:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- It's not a question of "nuance." There is no consensus - as incorrectly and blatantly stated - in RS refs that it "is now known to be a myth." That's simply fake news. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk) 21:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- The wording that it "is now known to be a myth" is simply not supported by the source provided. Perhaps "believed by some to be a myth" or even better "described by one scholar as a myth" could be supported by the citation, but "is now known to be a myth" embellishes the source far beyond any justifiable limit. Alansohn (talk) 01:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is the “it” you are referring to? Onceinawhile (talk) 06:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Once -- the statement is simply not supported by any of the refs. It's really that simple. Actually, this brings the entire article into question now that I consider it. Plus, it doesn't seem to warrant a standalone article at all. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6043:6D87:AEA7:B5C8 (talk) 06:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Belatedly noting that the article is at a (particularly bad-tempered) AfD, and this should go on hold until this is kept.--Launchballer 12:06, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Once -- the statement is simply not supported by any of the refs. It's really that simple. Actually, this brings the entire article into question now that I consider it. Plus, it doesn't seem to warrant a standalone article at all. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:6043:6D87:AEA7:B5C8 (talk) 06:26, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is the “it” you are referring to? Onceinawhile (talk) 06:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Khalji Revolution
- ... that the Khalji Revolution led by Jalaluddin Khalji saw the fall of the Turkic Mamluk Dynasty and the rise of the Turko-Afghan Khalji dynasty to rule the Delhi Sultanate?
- Reviewed:
Noorullah (talk) 03:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but just wanted to leave some alts:
- ALT1: ...that during the Khalji Revolution, the sultan Qaiqabad was wrapped in a carpet and thrown into the Yamuna river?
- ALT2: ...that the child sultan Shamsuddin Kayumars was imprisoned and deposed as a result of the Khalji Revolution?
- Kimikel (talk) 03:31, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 19
editApex (dinosaur)
- ... that a Stegosaurus fossil sold for $44.6 million?
- Source: Nicholls, Catherine (18 July 2024). "Stegosaurus skeleton sets auction record, selling for $44.6 million". CNN. Retrieved 19 July 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Barack Obama (horse)
- Comment: The sale made the news a few days ago (although it wasn't on ITN), I might add an althook later if I have an idea of something more catchy.
Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 23:54, 25 July 2024 (UTC).
- (not a full review, although I might come back if it isn't merged) tagged for merging. Queen of Hearts talk 19:31, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
8th National Eucharistic Congress (United States)
- ... that a 1938 Catholic procession featured 80,000 marchers and one blimp?
- Source: Paterson, Seale (September 30, 2022). "The 8th National Eucharist Congress". New Orleans Magazine.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/WOSU-TV
- Comment:
QPQ to come.
Pbritti (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC).
- IMO could be phrased better so as to accentuate the novelty of the occurrence. maybe "1938 Catholic eucharistic procession featured 80k marchers and a blimp broadcasting hymns?" Maximilian775 (talk)
- I think the pithiness adds a nice quality - no need to add too much imo. The blimp itself was a novelty. ~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 13:51, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Pbritti: Please supply a QPQ, or this may be closed as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 20:11, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry about that. Done. ~ Pbritti (talk) 21:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
Jubilee Bridge (Tay)
- ... that the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow construction of the Jubilee Bridge (pictured)?
- Source: https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/a9 North of here, the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow the new road to run along the river valley.
- ALT1: ... that the construction of the Jubilee Bridge (pictured) over the River Tay was featured in the reconstruction of the A9 documentary? Source: https://movingimage.nls.uk/film/1962 (its a film)
- Reviewed:
JuniperChill (talk) 11:29, 20 July 2024 (UTC).
- All good except: (1) some portions of the text lack citations; (2) there is some copied text per Earwig's tool: [31]; and (3) the last sentence of the lead doesn't have a period. Please add cites, rewrite the copyvio in your own words, and fix the missing period. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't find ALT1 to be interesting enough. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will be off until 10am UK/UTC time Monday since I may not edit on Sunday's and will also be off that day. Also pinging Coldupnorth. Otherwise, I should be able to make those improvements on Monday. It's already 22:42 and I need to sleep. The hot weather is already making it harder. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have rewritten text to remove copyvio, added full stop and added references. Thanks. Coldupnorth (talk) 07:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I was about to make the requested changes, but it seems like they have been done. Thank you Coldupnorth for this. To be fair, While I didn't start this article, I made some significant changes to it. I don't really edit on Sunday's as often as other days. JuniperChill (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have rewritten text to remove copyvio, added full stop and added references. Thanks. Coldupnorth (talk) 07:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- I will be off until 10am UK/UTC time Monday since I may not edit on Sunday's and will also be off that day. Also pinging Coldupnorth. Otherwise, I should be able to make those improvements on Monday. It's already 22:42 and I need to sleep. The hot weather is already making it harder. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I also don't find ALT1 to be interesting enough. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- voorts, since these changes were made a week ago by the creator, what do you think? JuniperChill (talk) 09:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Andrew Gillison
- ... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison died on 22 August 1915 of wounds sustained while trying to rescue an injured soldier from no mans land?
- Source: I've cited it to a book that had more detail but you can get the outline readily from: >McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.
- ALT1: ... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison took up arms to snipe at Turkish soldiers in Gallipoli? Source: "Gillison used his well tried target-shooting skills to participate enthusiastically in sniping and counter sniping" from: Walter, John (28 February 2019). The Sniper Encyclopaedia: An A-Z Guide to World Sniping. Casemate Publishers. p. 236. ISBN 978-1-78438-242-1.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Pavonia praemorsa
- Comment: ALT0 would be good to run on 22 August
Dumelow (talk) 13:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 02:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Image is public domain, article is new and sourced. However, it seems there are possible plagiarism issues and I also do not find either hook that interesting to be honest, and not sure if ALT1 is particularly neutral. The fact about him being the only Australian chaplain to die there is perhaps more interesting. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 02:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hi Arcahaeoindris, can you review the paraphrasing please. I reworded "appointed a part-time chaplain to the Australian military" from the lead which in summarising the article I had returned to wording close to the source. The rest of the things flagged look to be proper names of organisations or quotes which I have attributed in the article. Can you please advise on the neutrality issue, is it a concern with WP:NPOV of the article? If with the hook then the requirement at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Guidelines only applies to living persons. That he took up arms whilst being a chaplain was certainly the most interesting fact in the article for me. Happy to look at alternatives though, I have drafted the one you recommended and a couple of others below - Dumelow (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2:... that, on 22 August 1915, Andrew Gillison became the only Australian chaplain to be killed in the Gallipoli campaign? (source: "Gillison was the only chaplain killed at Gallipoli but all knew that they risked death constantly" source: Defence Force Journal. Department of Defence. 1989. p. 81.. NB: Defence Force Journal is published by the Australian Department of Defence, so is written from that point of view. I know of William Jospeh Finn, a British chaplain that was killed there.)
- ALT3: ... that, when chaplain Andrew Gillison was killed on 22 August 1915, the 14th Battalion "suffered the greatest loss it had yet incurred in the death of any one man"? (Source: "On this day (August 22) the 14th suffered yhe greatest loss it had yet incurred in the death of any one man" from: Wanliss, Newton (1929). The History of the Fourteenth Battalion, A. I. F.: Being the Story of the Vicissitudes of an Australian Unit During the Great War. 14th Battalion. p. 71.)
- ALT4: ... that among the last words in the diary of chaplain Andrew Gillison before his death at Gallipoli were "I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again"? (Source " 'I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again'. His diary ends on that sad note" from: McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.. You can also read the diary itself at "Wallet 1 of 1 - Diary relating to the service of Chaplain Andrew Gillison, 1914 - 1915 Page 147/147". Australian War Memorial. Retrieved 16 July 2024. it is the penultimate sentence)
- ALT5: ... that Andrew Gillison was the first Australian chaplain to be killed in the First World War? (Source:"Gillison, of the Fourteenth Battalion, of the Fourth Infantry Brigade, was the first of the Australian army chaplains to be killed" from: Hogue, Oliver (9 December 2019). Trooper Bluegum at the Dardanelles: Descriptive Narratives of the More Desperate Engagements on the Gallipoli Peninsula. Good Press. pp. 120–121.
Articles created/expanded on July 20
editBegüm Pusat
- ... that the 15-year-old Turkish wheelchair basketballer Begüm Pusat was one of the youngest players at the 2019 Women's U25 World Championship?
- Source: "At the age of just 15 years old, Turkey’s Begüm Pusat is one of the youngest athletes competing at the 2019 Women’s U25 World Championship" [32]
CeeGee 10:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 21
editJosep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat
- ... that the designated future head of state of Andorra, Josep-Lluís Serrano Pentinat, is a bishop who is a fluent speaker of six languages?
- Source: languages ("Domina diverses llengües a més del català i el castellà. Parla italià, francès, anglès i portuguès. [He is fluent in several languages in addition to Catalan and Spanish. He speaks Italian, French, English and Portuguese.]) - bishop/co-prince (head of state)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jajaira Gonzalez
- Comment: True that he becomes head of state because of his position as a bishop, but I don't think that's too common that it wouldn't be interesting. Open to other ways of wording the hook, though.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
- @BeanieFan11: Please provide a QPQ, or this nomination may be closed as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 00:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Lionel Haward
- ... that Lionel Haward applied an early example of offender profiling to help identify high-ranking Nazi war criminals who had disguised themselves as ordinary troops?
- Source: "Less well known but perhaps more directly related to the practices that the FBI were later to develop were the efforts of a British forensic psychologist who attempted to establish a means of identifying war criminals in the chaos that followed the liberation of camps like Bergen-Belsen. Tasked with identifying Schutzstaffel (SS) camp officials and guards who had tortured prisoners, and unconvinced that witness testimony alone would suffice to identify perpetrators who had assumed the disguise of ordinary soldiers or airmen, Lionel Haward drew up a list of characteristics that high-ranking Nazi war criminals might display." Wolffram, H. (2020). Oxford Research Encyclopedia of Psychology.
Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 13:47, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
Laquintasaura
- ... that Laquintasaura may be the earliest known member of the ornithischian lineage of dinosaurs?
- Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that the discovery of Laquintasaura challenged the idea that early dinosaurs could not survive in equatorial regions? Source: [2]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Queer manicure
LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 06:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC).
- This is my first review, if I did anything wrong please feel free to point it out.
- Article was promoted to Good Article status on July 21, 2024 and nominated on July 27, 2024. So it is new enough. It has 16308 characters (2508 words) "readable prose size". Both hooks are cited.
- I would prefer ALT1 over the default hook because it's more interesting. Non-professional readers may have difficulty understanding "the earliest ornithischian dinosaurs", but "dinosaurs living at the equator" is very vivid. Anyone can imagine it in their mind. ——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race (talk・contribs) 00:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would agree with the second hook being better having had time to sit on it. It's also more of a clear cut fact that won't change with time or what one includes within Ornithischia. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 06:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Should the word "early" be added before "dinosaur" in the sentence "demonstrates dinosaur presence in equatorial latitudes" ("Palaeoecology" section) ? As far as I know, there are some dinosaur fossils in Egypt during the late Cretaceous, when Egypt was located at the equator.——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race (talk・contribs) 08:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I would agree with the second hook being better having had time to sit on it. It's also more of a clear cut fact that won't change with time or what one includes within Ornithischia. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 06:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Herrera-Castillo, Carlos M.; Carrillo-Briceño, Jorge D.; Sánchez-Villagra, Marcelo R. (2021). "Non-invasive imaging reveals new cranial element of the basal ornithischian dinosaur Laquintasaura venezuelae, Early Jurassic of Venezuela". Anartia. 32: 53–60. doi:10.5281/zenodo.5571307.
- ^ Barrett, Paul M.; Butler, Richard J.; Mundil, Roland; Scheyer, Torsten M.; Irmis, Randall B.; Sánchez-Villagra, Marcelo R. (6 August 2014). "A palaeoequatorial ornithischian and new constraints on early dinosaur diversification". Proceedings of the Royal Society B. 281 (1791). Royal Society: 20141147. doi:10.1098/rspb.2014.1147. PMC 4132680. PMID 25100698.
I'll See You in C-U-B-A
... that the 1920 song "I'll See You in C-U-B-A" invites its listeners to "hop on a ship to Havana" to indulge in alcohol?
- ALT1: ... that Irving Berlin's 1920 song "I'll See You in C-U-B-A" was a direct response to alcohol prohibition in the United States? Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Harmony_and_Normalization/E5QAEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22i%27ll+see+you+in+c.u.b.a.%22+%22tin+pan%22&pg=PA5&printsec=frontcover
- ALT2: ... that 1920 foxtrot song "I'll See You in C-U-B-A" is an example of Cuba being percieved as "America's playground"? Source: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Harmony_and_Normalization/E5QAEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22i%27ll+see+you+in+c.u.b.a.%22+%22tin+pan%22&pg=PA5&printsec=frontcover
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I don't think the image is necessary, but it is a fine illustration if wanted.
Evedawn99 (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment (not a full review): According to A Simple Word Counter, the article only has around 1,200 characters of prose (the song's lyrics do not count per WP:DYKLEN, as they are text presumably copied from the public domain). As such, it falls short of the 1,500 characters needed for article eligibility in DYK. Leafy46 (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Hello and thank you, Leafy46: I had forgotten about the 1,200 characters of prose necessity and I appreciate the link to WP:DYKLEN. I will see if I can add more historical information in the meantime, and again I appreciate your comment. Evedawn99 (talk) 01:03, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is way over 1,500 characters now, but I should point out that the in popular culture section has significant WP:PROSELINE issues and I'd be looking for a strong rationale as to what it's doing there given WP:INPOPULARCULTURE. I have also struck ALT0 per WP:DYKFICTION.--Launchballer 12:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Leak 04-13 (Bait Ones)
- ... that a bootleg album of Jai Paul's unreleased music was named as one of the best of 2013 by several music publications?
- ALT1: ... that the leaking of Jai Paul's album in 2013 resulted in the arrests of two suspects? Source: A police investigation started during the Summer. Email addresses from the Bandcamp page and a linked PayPal account led to two suspects who were eventually arrested, their property raided and computers seized.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I'm sure there are some other hooks in here somewhere; however, I believe these are strong as is. If any suggestions arise, feel free to let me know.
joeyquism (talk) 20:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC).
Dublin Castle scandal
- ... that Irish nationalist William O'Brien's allegations of homosexual activities by British administrators in Dublin caused quite the scandal? Source: Lacey, Brian (2008). Terrible Queer Creatures - Homosexuality in Irish History. Wordwell. pp. 135–150. ISBN 9781905569236. Walshe, Éibhear (2005). "The First Gay Irishman? Ireland and the Wilde Trials". Éire-Ireland. 40 (3–4 (fall-winter)): 38–57. Archived from the original on 2008-05-12. Retrieved 2014-11-11."Trial of Cornwall and Kirwan". Freeman's Journal and Daily Commercial Advertiser. Dublin, Ireland. October 29, 1884.
- ALT1: ... that the Dublin Castle scandal in 1884 led to resignations, loss of position, and criminal convictions for a number of British administrators in Dublin, and celebrations amongst Irish nationalists? Source: same
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Francis Procter
Bogger (talk) 11:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 22
editTimurnama
- ... that by using Timur as the subject of the fourth poem (Timurnama) of his Khamsa (quintet), its author Hatefi implied that the Turco-Mongol conqueror was a second Alexander the Great? Source: "Hatifi wrote a Khamsa (‘Quintet’) in emulation of the Khamsas of Nizami Ganjavi and Amir Khusrau Dihlavi, but replaced the earlier poets’ romances of Alexander/Iskandar with an epic about Timur, thus implicitly identifying Timur as another Alexander." (Melville, p. 1124)
- Reviewed:
I will reviewTemplate:Did you know nominations/Mammoth Solar. (done)
- Reviewed:
WatkynBassett (talk) 21:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC).
Siege of Perth (1339)
- ... that a warrant was issued to pay a force to relieve the Siege of Perth two months after the garrison had surrendered this day in 1339?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kimboo
- Comment: Would be good to run on 17 August, the anniversary of the end of the siege.
CSJJ104 (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC).
- After rereading this, possibly this is a better wording?
- Alt1 ... that a warrant was issued to pay a force to relieve the Siege of Perth in October after the garrison had surrendered on 17 August? CSJJ104 (talk) 00:24, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
State Publishing House of Ukraine
- ... that 1920s belles-lettres books published by the State Publishing House of Ukraine (symbol depicted) would sell out much faster than similar books elsewhere in the Soviet Union in spite of higher prices?
- Source: Bohdan Krawchenko. Social Change and National Consciousness in Twentieth Century Ukraine. Springer, 1987. pp. 95-96
Soman (talk) 12:17, 22 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 23
editVadym Sukharevsky
- ... that Badger is the first commander of Unmanned Systems Forces?
- Source: "Freshly installed as the head of Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces, the first position of its kind in the world, Colonel Sukharevsky is shaping history once again." Vadym Sukharevsky, the man in charge of Ukraine’s drones
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Daleks' Master Plan
- Comment: I have asked on the Ukrainian article for a better cite for the family info. As a native English speaker I cleaned up this translation from the Ukrainian article but please let me know if anything else is needed.
Chidgk1 (talk) 13:17, 23 July 2024 (UTC).
- I don't think this counts as a full review, but this nomination will not pass. The article is full of WP:PROSELINE, which is highly discouraged. The information about his family is inherently unverifiable to anyone who isn't you. How would readers check sources? I want to see this nomination go through, but that won't be possible without restructuring the article to remove the proseline and the family information. Bremps... 04:50, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Chidgk1: Please address the above.--Launchballer 18:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry for slow reply - have been up in hills for a week and just got back a couple of hours ago. Have asked on talk page of Ukrainian article if they can find a better cite for the family details than the long video which is there now. Will fix proseline. Chidgk1 (talk) 18:37, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Chidgk1: Please address the above.--Launchballer 18:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Have made some changes - hope someone can now review this. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- It won't be me for a while as I review oldest first. I would suggest taking the ref out of the infobox and expanding/moving the Family single-sentence WP:PARAGRAPH, although these aren't DYK issues. Full review needed.--Launchballer 09:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for quick reply but I don’t understand why it is wrong to have a ref in an infobox. Re expanding I will leave it for a little while in the hope someone else might expand, but feel free to press me if they have not done so in a reasonable time. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- The relevant policy is MOS:INFOBOXREF, which I'm surprised to find says that they're acceptable in some cases. I would argue that both of the facts should be included in the main body.--Launchballer 09:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- OK thanks done Chidgk1 (talk) 15:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed. (You can reinstate his birthdate when you have a source for it.)--Launchballer 19:29, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- OK thanks done Chidgk1 (talk) 15:11, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- The relevant policy is MOS:INFOBOXREF, which I'm surprised to find says that they're acceptable in some cases. I would argue that both of the facts should be included in the main body.--Launchballer 09:36, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for quick reply but I don’t understand why it is wrong to have a ref in an infobox. Re expanding I will leave it for a little while in the hope someone else might expand, but feel free to press me if they have not done so in a reasonable time. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Splitwise
- ... that Splitwise brought about ideas on how to handle money-related conversations with friends and family? Source: Tibken, Shara (2024-05-14). "The Best Way to Split the Check at Group Dinners—and Not Leave Grumpy". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2024-07-22.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Li–Fraumeni syndrome
- Comment: Happy to provide paywalled article text by email—thanks for the review!
Bsoyka (t • c • g) 05:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not reviewing, but PSA: Use archive.ph to jump the paywall. It's probably legal. Bremps... 08:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 24
editMaxim Berezovsky
... that Maxim Berezovsky, an 18th-century singer and composer at the Saint Petersburg Court Chapel, studied in Italy?Source: several- Reviewed: to come
Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC).
- The hook is honestly not very interesting (it was not unusual at all for European artists to study elsewhere in Europe at the time, or even now). Suggesting a preliminary alternate below instead:
- ALT1 ... that Maxim Berezovsky is thought to have been the first Russian or Ukrainian to write an opera or a violin sonata?
- The article has several interesting facts about him, which can probably be used for hooks too. I'll come back in a bit to propose additional suggestions. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Here are some more possible ALTs:
- ALT2 ... that after composer Maxim Berezovsky's death, Catherine the Great secretly ordered the papers in his rooms to be burnt?
- ALT3 ... that a symphony by 18th-century composer Maxim Berezovsky was only performed publicly for the first time in 2003? (this is not currently directly stated in the article, I'm only proposing this wording for brainstorming purposes)
- ALT4 ... that according to conductor Kirill Karabits, both Russians and Ukrainians have equal claims to the legacy of composer Maxim Berezovsky?
- ALT5 ... that despite being considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music, much of Maxim Berezovsky's life is unknown for certain?
- ALT5a ... that despite being considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music, little is known for certain about Maxim Berezovsky?
- ALT6 ... that Maxim Berezovsky is considered one of the "Golden Three" of 18th-century Ukrainian classical music? (currently only mentioned, uncited, in the lede and thus would require a source)
- I'm not going to review the article, but I've read it and I've noticed that the tone of the article, particularly in the Works section, may be too laudatory in Wikipedia's voice, and that might need to be resolved. Asking from help from either 4meter4 or CurryTime7-24 in copyediting the article and perhaps fixing the article concerns, as well as further suggestions on hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:24, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the hook suggestions. Do you realise that the article (which is not by me) just passed a GA review? ... was written by an editor who brought composers to FA status, for example Artemy Vedel? I nominated because the author would not do DYK (which I can understand). I was dead tired when I nominated, so grabbed the first idea that hit me as unusual to not miss the deadline. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- I like ALT1 best of the suggestions, but think it should be "and" between symphony and violin sonata, because it's thought for both.
- ALT1a ... that Maxim Berezovsky is thought to have been the first Russian or Ukrainian to write an opera and a violin sonata?
- I like that it clearly speaks of the claim "Russian or Ukrainian" and still gives an idea about his music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:16, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Here are some more possible ALTs:
Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for inviting me to suggest an ALT for this DYK nom. However, since I'm neither the one who improved the article to GA nor the nominator, I think it would be poor form for me to step on the toes of other editors. If this nomination continues to be at an impasse, though, please let me know and I'll do what I can. What I will mention is that the bit of copy-editing I did revealed some issues that ought to be resolved, especially in a GA article. A few parts raise concerns about WP:SYNTH, for example. An early instance occurs at the the conclusion of the first paragraph in the "Biography" section. Putting aside for the moment that the phrase "victim of the regime" is loaded terminology that should be avoided per MOS:LABEL, WP:IMPARTIAL, and WP:EPSTYLE, I discovered upon reading the cited source (which doesn't include the page number; it's 25) that it doesn't confirm the statement in the article. (Full disclosure: I'm proficient in Russian, but know zero Ukrainian. Even so, the languages are similar enough that I can generally grasp the meaning of Ukrainian; the difference to my eyes and ears being comparable to that between Spanish and Portuguese.) According to Shumilina, surviving evidence "disproves the idea that Berezovsky's lack of work and financial difficulties caused his suicide". She reaffirms this in the final paragraph of page 27: "An untimely death (not the result of suicide!) interrupted his creative work" ("Передчасна смерть (не внаслідок самогубства!) перервала його творчість"). —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for looking into this. Perhaps place the concerns on the article talk, because I am not sur that Amitchell is watching here. - Could you perhaps bring your knowledge of Russian also to Template:Did you know nominations/Marina Kondratyeva? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:25, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24 and Jaguarnik: Both of you have made edits to the article: are there no further remaining issues? Courtesy ping as well to the second GA reviewer Shushugah if there are also other issues. Given that the article probably needs more copyediting regarding the language used (i.e. to meet WP:IMPARTIAL), also asking Launchballer if they're okay with helping out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've looked at the article again and fixed anything that I thought needed fixing. I don't think there's anything left to do other than possibly copyedit; I did my best to copyedit as the GA reviewer but I recognize that I missed some parts.Jaguarnik (talk) 03:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5:: I'm bringing up the following because you asked, but let me state once more that I won't be contributing heavily to this article, aside from minor touch-ups. Among other things, there is a bit of a slant to the article. The "Sacred music" sub-section, for example, potentially misleads the reader into thinking that Berezovsky was chiefly or even solely a phenomenon of Ukrainian culture. His influence on Russian music, which for a time must've also been considerable, is never discussed. (It's worth noting that in Berezovsky's time, Russian and Ukrainian cultures were more blurrier and mutually porous concepts than today.) Some aspects are left unexplained as well. Because losses of manuscripts and tangible evidence of his life are recurring themes in this article, it would seem to imply that at some point Berezovsky's legacy experienced a decline into obscurity; a 1947 article by Vera Vasina-Grossman in Sovyetskaya Muzyka confirms this to be the case. (This is important, because the magazine was not only the preeminent musical academic journal in the RSFSR, but in all of the USSR, including the Ukrainian SSR.) After that, Berezovsky's name is mentioned a few more times in the magazine. In the 1960s, his life and work came to be recognized outside of musicological circles thanks to a book about the composer Josef Mysliveček by Marietta Shaginyan. She mentioned Berezovsky therein, lamenting the fact that his music was widely unknown at the time. This seems to have been the catalyst for a modest revival. By the 1980s, articles and studies on his music increase significantly; there were some first recordings and performances as well. None of this reception history is mentioned in this article. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Thanks for the direction to Vasina-Grossman's article; I've found it and I will add it as a source into the article. I'll also look to see if I can't find something more recent analyzing his contributions to Russian music.Jaguarnik (talk) 04:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- On second thought, if I found the correct article (Забытая повесть о русском музыканте, Forgotten Tale of a Russian Musician, Vera Vasina-Grossman, 1947]) then this article is almost useless for analyzing Berezovsky's legacy in Russia, because the great majority of it is devoted to analyzing a fictional tale of his life. Still, I'll try to find something about his contributions to Russian music. Either way, I don't think adding his influence in Russian music is necessary for the DYK hooks, but it is something that future editors can work on.Jaguarnik (talk) 05:08, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Given the apparent incompleteness of the article and other issues that were raised, would a GAR be needed, or that shouldn't be necessary and any remaining issues should be surmountable? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I don't think these issues call the GA itself into question. I think the reviewer did a great job and they also helped to further polish up this article. It was a bit of a mess last year; the work done to get it to this point has been commendable. @Jaguarnik: That is the article, yes, but my point was that it acknowledged Berezovsky's decline into obscurity, which is not mentioned by this article. Rumors and all, it may have been the first serious article on Berezovsky in decades, if not longer; it seems to have served as a starting point for the revival of interest in his music. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, I see now, my apologies if I was rude. The article was helpful in that it led me to find another article in Sovetskaya Muzyka that also wrote about Berezovsky, along with an article from 2013; I added those into the article.Jaguarnik (talk) 07:05, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I don't think these issues call the GA itself into question. I think the reviewer did a great job and they also helped to further polish up this article. It was a bit of a mess last year; the work done to get it to this point has been commendable. @Jaguarnik: That is the article, yes, but my point was that it acknowledged Berezovsky's decline into obscurity, which is not mentioned by this article. Rumors and all, it may have been the first serious article on Berezovsky in decades, if not longer; it seems to have served as a starting point for the revival of interest in his music. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:13, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24: Given the apparent incompleteness of the article and other issues that were raised, would a GAR be needed, or that shouldn't be necessary and any remaining issues should be surmountable? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:42, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5:: I'm bringing up the following because you asked, but let me state once more that I won't be contributing heavily to this article, aside from minor touch-ups. Among other things, there is a bit of a slant to the article. The "Sacred music" sub-section, for example, potentially misleads the reader into thinking that Berezovsky was chiefly or even solely a phenomenon of Ukrainian culture. His influence on Russian music, which for a time must've also been considerable, is never discussed. (It's worth noting that in Berezovsky's time, Russian and Ukrainian cultures were more blurrier and mutually porous concepts than today.) Some aspects are left unexplained as well. Because losses of manuscripts and tangible evidence of his life are recurring themes in this article, it would seem to imply that at some point Berezovsky's legacy experienced a decline into obscurity; a 1947 article by Vera Vasina-Grossman in Sovyetskaya Muzyka confirms this to be the case. (This is important, because the magazine was not only the preeminent musical academic journal in the RSFSR, but in all of the USSR, including the Ukrainian SSR.) After that, Berezovsky's name is mentioned a few more times in the magazine. In the 1960s, his life and work came to be recognized outside of musicological circles thanks to a book about the composer Josef Mysliveček by Marietta Shaginyan. She mentioned Berezovsky therein, lamenting the fact that his music was widely unknown at the time. This seems to have been the catalyst for a modest revival. By the 1980s, articles and studies on his music increase significantly; there were some first recordings and performances as well. None of this reception history is mentioned in this article. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Just to say I am happy to look at this, however I did promise @Mehedi Abedin: a copyedit of Birthday of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and I should really do that first.--Launchballer 09:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm guessing most of the neutrality issues were fixed before I got here, however there is one phrase beginning "He is considered" within the Sacred music section that needs attribution.--Launchballer 13:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed Jaguarnik (talk) 05:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- My concerns have been resolved.--Launchballer 12:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed Jaguarnik (talk) 05:44, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm guessing most of the neutrality issues were fixed before I got here, however there is one phrase beginning "He is considered" within the Sacred music section that needs attribution.--Launchballer 13:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've looked at the article again and fixed anything that I thought needed fixing. I don't think there's anything left to do other than possibly copyedit; I did my best to copyedit as the GA reviewer but I recognize that I missed some parts.Jaguarnik (talk) 03:33, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @CurryTime7-24 and Jaguarnik: Both of you have made edits to the article: are there no further remaining issues? Courtesy ping as well to the second GA reviewer Shushugah if there are also other issues. Given that the article probably needs more copyediting regarding the language used (i.e. to meet WP:IMPARTIAL), also asking Launchballer if they're okay with helping out. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:20, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Sun Chen (breakdancer)
- ... that Olympic breakdancer Sun Chen is nicknamed "Quake" for being born the day of a deadly earthquake?
- Source: United Daily News ("921大地震當晚出生 ... 連英文名字都叫做「Quake」[Born on the night of the 921 earthquake ... His English name is called "Quake"]
BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:12, 31 July 2024 (UTC).
- @BeanieFan11: Please provide a QPQ, or this nomination may be closed as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 00:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Wolfman's Got Nards
- ... that the documentary Wolfman's Got Nards takes its title from a memorable line in the 1987 film The Monster Squad?
- Reviewed:
C F A 💬 22:48, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
Aracy Amaral
- ... that a historian who called the works of Aracy Amaral "a vital reference for the study of art history in Brazil" lamented the lack of English-language translations for her work? Source: The writings of Aracy Amaral, an academic, critic, and curator active since the mid-1960s, are a vital reference for the study of art history in Brazil, and though they have been gathered in several collections in Portuguese, her publications have been vastly undertranslated into English. (p. 105)
ミラP@Miraclepine 02:57, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
Alfredo Gandolfi
- ... that cinematographer Alfredo Gandolfi also had a career as a singer which included more than 300 performances at the Metropolitan Opera?
- Source: Vazzana, Eugene Michael (2001). "Gandolfi, Alfredo E., singer/cameraman". Silent Film Necrology. McFarland & Company. p. 187. ISBN 9780786410590. - for duo career as singer and cameraman
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Warren Lawrence
- Comment: Moved to mainspace on July 24, 2024
4meter4 (talk) 19:26, 24 July 2024 (UTC).
Abduction of Jonila Castro and Jhed Tamano
- ... that two kidnapped activists (pictured) were released after they randomly stated that they were kidnapped?
- Source: ABS-CBN Al-Jazeera Rappler
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
01:04, 24 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but the hook could draw more attention with careful omission. How about... ALT1: ... the Filipino government tried forcing two kidnapped activists to confess to being rebels at a press conference, but they had other plans? Bremps... 20:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty good, I'll accept that one.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
07:49, 26 July 2024 (UTC).- @TheNuggeteer: Please provide a QPQ, or this may be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did the QPQ.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
23:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Did the QPQ.
- @TheNuggeteer: Please provide a QPQ, or this may be closed as unsuccessful. Z1720 (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pretty good, I'll accept that one.
Articles created/expanded on July 25
editJoseva Talacolo
- ... that Olympic rugby sevens player Joseva Talacolo only started playing the sport as a way to support his family?
- Source: The Fiji Times ("Joseva Talacolo has only one reason for playing rugby – his family. Growing up in the interior of Namosi at his Naqarawai Village, Talacolo saw the hardships his parents endured and decided to change his fate.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Realized I'm a bit late in nominating this; requesting a one-day extension as allowed by Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
Malacchi Esdale
- ... that rugby sevens player Malacchi Esdale said the conditioning it took for him to play in the Olympics was "borderline crazy"?
- Source: The News Journal ("'The conditioning that you have to do to prepare yourself for this game is like, it's borderline crazy,' Esdale said.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Realized I'm a bit late in nominating this; requesting a one-day extension as allowed by Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
Railways in Canberra
- ... that the city's venerated architects had grand plans for railways in Canberra?
- Reviewed:
Will Thorpe (talk) 13:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC).
Robert Aiello
- ... that Robert Aiello's novel got published after literary agents turned it down roughly 60 times?
- Source: Gannon, Joyce (1999-09-14). "Dial M for Money: Former Ketchum Exec Hopes to Cash in With Mystery Book". Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Archived from the original on 2024-07-25. Retrieved 2024-07-25.
The article notes: "Aiello received about 60 rejection letters from East Coast book agents before he decided to pitch "The Deceivers" directly to small publishers. One of them, Creative Arts Book Co. of Berkeley, Calif., liked his 246-page manuscript and gave Aiello a one-book contract. The novel is scheduled for release later this month in soft cover for $14.95."
Cunard (talk) 12:14, 1 August 2024 (UTC).
Julie Roy (activist)
- ... that Julie Roy was the first woman to successfully sue her therapist for sexual coercion?
- Source: Dictionary of Women Worldwide (https://www.encyclopedia.com/women/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures-and-press-releases/roy-julie-c-1938): "Became 1st woman to successfully sue psychiatrist for inveigling her into sexual relationship under guise of therapy"
- ALT1: ... that a future high-profile divorce lawyer represented Julie Roy in the first successful lawsuit against a therapist for sexual coercion? Source: Betrayal - https://archive.org/details/betrayaltruestor00free/mode/2up - referred to as "Bob Cohen" through the book, the foreword gives thanks to "Robert Stephan Cohen and Loren H. Plotkin for their support and assistance"
- Reviewed:
- Comment: this is my second DYK nomination. i learned from the mistakes I made the first time, made sure to cite all important claims in the article, waited until the article was properly evaluated to submit the DYK, and will be active in fixing any issues that may arise.
jeschaton (immanentize) 21:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
Bikers for Trump
- ... that despite raising over $427,000 in donations from 2021 to 2022, Bikers for Trump was $81,000 in debt by 2023?
- ALT1: ... that Chris Cox, the founder of Bikers for Trump, estimated that 70% of its members are former military? Source: https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/18/politics/bikers-for-trump-cleveland-protests-republican-convention/index.html
- Reviewed:
C F A 💬 20:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
Jerzy Artysz
- ... that Jerzy Artysz, who performed title roles from Orfeo to King Roger at the Grand Theatre in Warsaw, created the role of Josep Soler's Oedipus at the Liceu in Barcelona in 1986? Source: [33]
- Reviewed: Józef Ignacy Kraszewski
- Comment: appeared on the Main page as RD, but still eligible. I'm open to hooks, but this tries to inform that sang title roles (rare for a baritone!), had a repertoire from Monteverdi to contemporary, portrayed mythical figures and kings, had a close connection not only to the Polish most important stage but also to the Spanish second most important stage. - Had no article, imagine!
Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
- Thank you for ALT1 and 2, Storye book, but please next round, don't place above my signature. I think "musician" is way too general, - could even be a pop guitarist, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that musician Jerzy Artysz was awarded the Order of Polonia Restituta and the Gloria Artis Medal for Merit to Culture? Source: PBM: In 1989, (Artysz) was awarded the Knight’s Cross of the Order of Polonia Restituta. and Culture.pl (Artysz was awarded) the Award of the Minister of Culture and Art (1981).
- ALT2: ... that musician Jerzy Artysz was given a gala concert on his 70th birthday by the Chopin University of Music? Source: Culture.pl: At a gala concert organized by the Academy of Music in Warsaw on the occasion of Jerzy Artysz's seventieth birthday, he sang an aria from the opera "Orpheus" by Claudio Monteverdi.
- OK, sorry, I've moved them downstairs. Of course "musician" is rubbish, but it's for the philistines, who will otherwise delete stuff. OK, here they are corrected, in case this nom gets a reviewer who is cool with opera.
- ALT1a: ... that baritone Jerzy Artysz was awarded the Order of Polonia Restituta and the Gloria Artis Medal for Merit to Culture? Source: PBM: In 1989, (Artysz) was awarded the Knight’s Cross of the Order of Polonia Restituta. and Culture.pl (Artysz was awarded) the Award of the Minister of Culture and Art (1981).
- ALT2a: ... that baritone Jerzy Artysz was given a gala concert on his 70th birthday by the Chopin University of Music? Source: Culture.pl: At a gala concert organized by the Academy of Music in Warsaw on the occasion of Jerzy Artysz's seventieth birthday, he sang an aria from the opera "Orpheus" by Claudio Monteverdi. Storye book (talk) 16:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Upper Skagit Indian Tribe
- ... that in the 19th century, after becoming a major religious leader of the Upper Skagit, a man named sƛ̕abəbtikəd united the tribes and established himself as their sole leader?
- Source: 1. "One who attended the treaty council but did not sign it was the prophet-cultist Slaybebtkud, who came from east of the Cascade Mountains to join the Skagits. After the treaty, he exerted great authority by uniting about ten extended and autonomous village bands of the upper Skagit River and its tributaries" (Ruby et al. 2010, p.361).
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Alternatively, his name has been rendered as Slaybebtikud or Stababutkin in English, if that is easier to read (or to save on characters).
PersusjCP (talk) 00:46, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
Asiatyrannus
- ... that Asiatyrannus is thought to have grown to less than half the size of other tyrannosaurs?
- Source: [1]
LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 07:40, 27 July 2024 (UTC).
- Starting Review--Kevmin § 19:46, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
- Article new enough and long enough. Article writer should be tagged in nomination. Article well cited and sources are reliable, no close paraphrasing identified, with specific name groups/tachnical phrases noted and ignored. Hook verified and cited in article. QPQ done.--Kevmin § 19:02, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Zheng, Wenjie; Jin, Xingsheng; Xie, Junfang; Du, Tianming (2024-07-25). "The first deep-snouted tyrannosaur from Upper Cretaceous Ganzhou City of southeastern China". Scientific Reports. 14 (1). doi:10.1038/s41598-024-66278-5. ISSN 2045-2322.
Glennda and Camille Do Downtown
- ... that according to academic Camille Paglia, her 1993 film Glennda and Camille Do Downtown was banned from multiple LGBT film festivals "for reasons of political incorrectness"?
- Source: Vamps & Tramps: New Essays
- ALT0a: ... that the 1993 documentary short film Glennda and Camille Do Downtown was reportedly banned from multiple LGBT film festivals "for reasons of political incorrectness"? Source: Vamps & Tramps: New Essays
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Motherland Calls
Morgan695 (talk) 15:27, 26 July 2024 (UTC).
Mannion v. Coors Brewing Co., Catch of the Day
- ... that in Mannion v. Coors Brewing Co., Judge Lewis A. Kaplan cited Thomas Mangelsen's Catch of the Day as a photograph so original in its timing that it could be copyrightable for that alone?
- Source: "A modern work strikingly original in timing might be Catch of the Day, by noted wildlife photographer Thomas Mangelsen, which depicts a salmon that appears to be jumping into the gaping mouth of a brown bear at Brooks Falls in Katmai National Park, Alaska ... the copyright in Catch of the Day does not protect against subsequent photographs of bears feasting on salmon in the same location. Furthermore, if another photographer were sufficiently skilled and fortunate to capture a salmon at the precise moment that it appeared to enter a hungry bear's mouth — and others have tried, with varying degrees of success ... Mannion v. Coors Brewing Co., 377 F.Supp.2d 444,453 (S.D.N.Y., 2005)
Daniel Case (talk) 04:31, 26 July 2024 (UTC).
2024 Chicagoland Tornado Outbreak
- ... that the Chicagoland area recently saw 35 tornadoes in one day?
- Reviewed:
Jumpy542 (talk) 21:13, 25 July 2024 (UTC).
- Comment, not a review: "recently" may have to be dropped from the hook as it's in WP:WTW (specifically MOS:REALTIME). Suggest changing it to " ... that on July 15, 2024, the Chicagoland area saw 35 tornadoes in one day?" Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Ácido Argentino
- ... that Rolling Stone listed Ácido Argentino as the best album of Argentine heavy metal?
- Source: "Los 40 discos esenciales del metal argentino" [The essential 40 albums of Argentine metal] (in Spanish). Rolling Stone. May 16, 2024. Retrieved July 25, 2024.
Cambalachero (talk) 19:34, 25 July 2024 (UTC).
White bear of Henry III
- ... that in 1253 Henry III of England ordered that his white bear (sculpture pictured) be permitted to swim and hunt in the Thames?
- Source: "they also had to suffer the indignity of one of Henry’s off-hand sets of instructions when he decided that the bear should be capable of providing for itself. The sheriffs were told to create a stout muzzle and chain so that the animal’s Norwegian handler could control the bear when leading him out of the tower down to the River Thames. Also, a long rope to control the bear when he was in the water having a wash and fishing for himself." from: Bibby, Miriam. "King Henry III's Polar Bear". Historic UK. Retrieved 20 July 2024.; the date of Henry's order is given in Stow, John (1733). A Survey of the Cities of London and Westminster, Borough of Southwark, and Parts Adjacent. T. Read. pp. 69–70.
- ALT1: ... that in 1252 Henry III of England was gifted a white bear (sculpture pictured) by Haakon IV of Norway? Source: "Among the many marvels the visitor to London could experience in the 1250s was the “pale” or “white” bear presented to Henry III by King Haakon of Norway." from: Bibby, Miriam. "King Henry III's Polar Bear". Historic UK. Retrieved 20 July 2024. and "the lions were joined by a polar bear in 1252" from: "The Tower of London Menagerie". Historic Royal Palaces. Retrieved 20 July 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Valentin Houinato
Dumelow (talk) 12:32, 25 July 2024 (UTC).
- Hello Dumelow, I'm a first-time DYK reviewer and I'll be reviewing this. It looks interesting so far and I'll give additional comments soon. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 18:18, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Article was nominated 5 days after creation, so it passes the newness check.
- Article is exceeds 1,500 bytes, so it passes the minimum length check.
- Sources look reliable. I see that most of them were authored by people who specialize in history, which I presume are qualified and reputable enough for this subject. Earwig shows no obvious plagiarism.
- Background section: I see that ref [1] doesn't have an online link provided. I did a quick search on Google and found this PDF for that ref. I think it's worth adding that PDF's URL to ref [1]. Ref [2] covers most of the content in that section, although I think it should be put next to the second sentence since it doesn't mention anything about 1834.
- Hook only has one link, so the presentability rule does not apply here.
- Hook is adequately cited with sources used in the article.
- Both hooks are interesting. I personally prefer the main hook.
- Images are public domain and are recognizable at low resolution. Captions are descriptive and succinct.
- QPQ has been done by nom.
- There's a few grammatically unclear sentences I would like to point out. Namely:
- From then until 1834 animals were kept in the menageries continuously until 1834 - repetition of 1834.
- Henry was shocked by the expense of keeping the bear so [he] delegated its upkeep to... - add "he"?
- The sheriffs['] allowance of four sous a day - add a possessive apostrophe and wikilink "sous" for the layperson like me?
Other than some issues I've pointed out, the nomination is looking good! Since I'm a new reviewer, I'll have to request a second opinion from another reviewer. Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 19:15, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi Nrco0e, thanks for the review and sorry for delay in getting back to you, I have been away. Good work finding that source online, I've added it and hopefully addressed your other points by improvements to the article - Dumelow (talk) 11:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 26
editEdmilson Pedro
- ... that Olympian Edmilson Pedro "started practicing judo from the cradle"?
- Source: RFI
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Note: this is relying on Google's translation of the French statement "Comecei a praticar judo desde o berço". Requesting a French speaker review this just to make sure it is an accurate translation.
BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
Fede Vigevani
- ... that Fede Vigevani (pictured) is the most-subscribed Spanish-speaking YouTuber and has the 50th biggest YouTube channel in the world with over 54 million subscribers?
Sahaib (talk) 13:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC).
Church of St Peter, Draycott
- ... that in 2006 the vicar of St Peter's, Draycott tried to sell the font?
- Source: Cite 6 Gavin Stamp, pages 120-122
KJP1 (talk) 05:37, 27 July 2024 (UTC).
There is a very nice image of the font on Commons to which this could be linked, but I don't know how to place it here without messing the page up.Another editor kindly helped out. KJP1 (talk) 06:02, 27 July 2024 (UTC)
Shapez 2
- ... that Shapez 2 went from a plain white background to outer space? Source: Hardcore Gamer
'''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:36, 26 July 2024 (UTC).
- I've added an image on the right, which could be used if ALT1 is promoted. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:50, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Article is new and just barely long enough, by a margin of 17 bytes. Sourcing in the article looks good, and Earwig checks out. Image licensing looks alright as well. I don't love ALT0 (not quite interesting enough and lacks context), and ALT1 is not present in the article. QPQ is not required as nominator has 1 prior DYK nom. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: I'll do some expansion later, so length shouldn't be an issue. I agree that the hooks aren't that good, so what about something like this: ALT2: " ... that unlike its 2D monochrome predecessor, Shapez 2 features 3D conveyer belts in space?" The source for ALT2 is the same Hardcore Gamer article. Alternatively, I could add the information in ALT1 to the article. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 14:20, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Article is new and just barely long enough, by a margin of 17 bytes. Sourcing in the article looks good, and Earwig checks out. Image licensing looks alright as well. I don't love ALT0 (not quite interesting enough and lacks context), and ALT1 is not present in the article. QPQ is not required as nominator has 1 prior DYK nom. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 13:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- @PCN02WPS: Have your concerns been addressed, and this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 16:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 27
editKevin Mejía
- ... that Kevin Mejía was the sole Honduran medalist at both the 2015 and 2023 Pan American Games?
- Source: La Prensa (2015) and La Prensa (2023); also the only medalist listed at Honduras at the 2015 Pan American Games and Honduras at the 2023 Pan American Games
BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
- Article is new. At 1671 characters it just passes the 1500 minimum, although I'm unsure full start class is warranted. The sources will need access-dates.I am unsure about the first couple of sentences, the source does not explicitly say the childhood was spent in Triunfo de la Cruz, and at any rate it does say he left to Tegucigalpa at 13 so he did some growing up there too. "hermanos" also does not mean only brothers, it is used for the group of both genders. Not a DYKcrit, but the fourth sentence should really spell out COH, and there is a disconnect between the lead sentence and the body regarding flag bearer or co-flag bearer. Regarding "bronze medal at the cadet world championships in Hungary", the source says he was in the cadet category, not that cadet was the name of the tournament (after a bit of research, probably the World Junior Wrestling Championships already mentioned in the next paragraph, in the 15-17 category).Haven't checked the other paragraphs, but moving onto the hook, I can't verify the 2015 portion from the source, may be missing it although it appears correct. That said it's not the most interesting hook, is there anything other than an athlete winning medals in the sources? QPQ needed. CMD (talk) 11:08, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
2024 Suzhou knife attack
- ... that a knife attack in Suzhou, China, led to the deletion of hundreds of anti-Japan posts from social media platforms?
- ALT1: ... that a Chinese bus attendant died trying to protect a Japanese mother and child during a knife attack in Suzhou, China? Source: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3268416/chinese-woman-who-tried-stop-knife-attack-japanese-mother-and-son-dies-wounds
- ALT2: ... that Chinese tech firms vowed a crackdown on "extreme nationalism" in the aftermath of a knife attack in Suzhou, China? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jul/01/china-tech-firms-crackdown-online-hate-speech-knife-attack-chinese-woman-japanese-mother-child
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my first DYK nom so please inform me if I did anything wrong. Though I significantly expanded the article I didn't move it to mainspace, I attributed Remsense as the author as they created/moved the page.
Zinderboff(talk) 07:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
Neary's
- ... that the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan, presided over the funeral of the owner of Neary's, an Irish pub where he was a regular?
- Source: Habeeb, Lee; Group, Vice President of Content at Salem Media; Stories", host of "Our American (September 19, 2022). "NYPD Shut Down City, Bridge for His Funeral and Named a Street After Him". Newsweek. Archived from the original on July 23, 2024. Retrieved July 27, 2024. Vadukul, Alex (October 12, 2021). "Jimmy Neary, Whose Irish Pub Became a Power Brokers' Hub, Dies at 91". The New York Times. Archived from the original on July 22, 2024. Retrieved July 27, 2024.
- ALT1: ... that the New York City Police Department shut down highway and bridge traffic for the funeral of the owner of Neary's, an Irish pub? Source: Habeeb, Lee; Group, Vice President of Content at Salem Media; Stories", host of "Our American (September 19, 2022). "NYPD Shut Down City, Bridge for His Funeral and Named a Street After Him". Newsweek. Archived from the original on July 23, 2024. Retrieved July 27, 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Mercer Art Gallery
voorts (talk/contributions) 23:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
Nan Oo Pagoda, Myinsaing
- ... that the Nan Oo Pagoda is classified as a double encased stupa as it envelopes a smaller stupa?
- Source: (Myo Nyunt Aung 2022) is an academic paper. See page 3 for double and triple encased types. See page 9 for the Nan Oo stupa encasing a smaller stupa.
- ALT1: ... that the Nan Oo Pagoda in Myinsaing was built by enveloping an earlier stupa? Source: (Myo Nyunt Aung 2022: 9) and (Tein Taman 2020)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1964 Summer Olympics medal table
Hybernator (talk) 20:48, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
Ai Uta
- ...that, in a 2007 survey done by Oricon, Japanese girls found the song "Ai Uta" by the band Greeeen to be a perfect love song for the autumn?"
- ALT1: ... that Ai Uta ranked first on "heart-throbbing love songs that are perfect for autumn and will liven up your romance" survey conducted by Oricon? Source: https://www.oricon.co.jp/news/48377/full/
- Reviewed:
Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:18, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited:
- Interesting: - n
- Other problems: - Both ALTs seems promotional and may need reworking for grammar.
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: Wow! "Ai Uta" is such a classic hit, so it's nice seeing an article for it. Article was nominated for DYK within the first 7 days of creation. It has over 1,500 words in prose. Citations are properly sourced. Earig picked up an unlikely copyright violation of 2.9%. Nominator has less than 5 nominations, so a QPQ is not needed at this time. Some suggestions outside of DYK nomination is to follow MOS:JAPAN#Titles of media, as I see some stylized capitalization (such as Greeeen's name). The ALT looks like it can be worked into something interesting, but the way it's currently worded feels a bit promotional. How about:
- ALT0a: ... that, in a 2007 survey done by Oricon, Japanese girls found the song "Ai Uta" by the band Greeeen to be a perfect love song for the autumn?"
- ALT2: ... that the record label for the Japanese band Greeeen specifically marketed the song "Ai Uta" to teenagers? lullabying (talk) 09:29, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Henry Bubb
- ... that Henry Bubb (pictured) started as a loan clerk before becoming the president of Capitol Federal Savings Bank 15 years later? Source: "Henry A. Bubb". Kansas Business Hall of Fame. Retrieved 2024-07-24.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
- Comment: Thanks for the review!
Bsoyka (t • c • g) 23:51, 27 July 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on July 28
editNam Su-hyeon, Jeon Hun-young
- ... that Jeon Hun-young and Nam Su-hyeon helped South Korea win its 10th-straight Olympic gold medal in the women's team archery event?
BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC).
Center squeeze
- ... that in Burlington's second election using ranked-choice voting, independent Bob Kiss was elected despite his opponent being preferred by over half the voters?
- Reviewed:
Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 01:11, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
Nicole Chang-Leng
- ... that "daughter" of the Seychelles Nicole Chang-Leng commanded an all-woman crew?
- Source: Joubert-Lawen, Rita (2022-11-04). Bonnelame, Betymie (ed.). "Seychelles' first female international flight captain passes away". Seychelles News Agency. Retrieved 2024-06-24.
"The country will remember her as a true daughter of our soil. May her family be given courage as they go through this difficult period. May her soul rest in peace," said Ramkalawan...Chang-Leng became the first woman to command an all-female flight crew as commander on a Seychelles-Mauritius flight on August 23, 2007
- "Passengers hail first all-female crew flight". Seychelles Nation. 2007-07-24. Retrieved 2024-07-30.
- ALT1: ... that Nicole Chang-Leng, described as "daughter" of the Seychelles by Wavel Ramkalawan, commanded an all-woman crew?
- ALT2: ... that Nicole Chang-Leng, described as "daughter" of the Seychelles by its president, commanded an all-woman crew?
- Reviewed: [[]]
- Comment: I provided in-text attribution for the "daughter of our soil" part within the article; I'm not sure if I need to provide it within the hook as well. I provided two alternative hooks just in case, but Seychellois presidents describing Chang-Leng as important is hardly controversial.
GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 04:25, 31 July 2024 (UTC).
50 YouTubers Fight for $1,000,000
- ... that MrBeast's video "50 YouTubers Fight for $1,000,000" got over 70 million views in 24 hours making it his most viewed video in that time frame?
Sahaib (talk) 12:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
J1407b
- ... that the "Super Saturn" exoplanet J1407b might actually turn out to be a free-floating planet or brown dwarf?
- Source: "Issues with the stability of any rings combined with the lack of detection of another eclipse, suggests that J1407b may not be bound to J1407." Mentel, R. T.; et al. (2018). "Constraining the period of the ringed secondary companion to the young star J1407 with photographic plates". Astronomy & Astrophysics.; "...the object we called J1407b is floating freely through the Galaxy, and just happened to pass in front of a very young star." Kenworthy, M. A. J1407b. (2024)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/White bear of Henry III
- Comment: The J1407b article was converted from redirect into article as a result of a split from the V1400 Centauri article. I began slowly expanding V1400 Centauri on 8 July 2024, but I did not add much to the J1407b section until 24 July 2024. As of today, it's been 5 days since I significantly expanded the J1407b section. Also, the image is optional; I'm fine whether it is used or not.
Nrco0e (talk • contribs) 20:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
Juan de Casas
- ... that Juan de Casas left the Mantuano creoles out of his planned junta in colonial Venezuela?
- Reviewed:
Mebigrouxboy (talk) 19:40, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
Blair Colony
- ... that while recruiting for the Blair Colony, Betty Blair reportedly convinced potential settlers there were no flies in South Dakota?
- Source: Hascall, Randy (June 1, 2003). "The Last Descendant". Argus Leader. Rural Pierre. p. 4A. Retrieved July 29, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
- ALT1: ... that Blair Colony was once one of the highest concentrations of African Americans in South Dakota? Source: Hascall, Randy (June 1, 2003). "The Last Descendant". Argus Leader. Rural Pierre. p. 4A. Retrieved July 29, 2024 – via Newspapers.com.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Diamond Lake, Illinois
- Comment: ALT0 is also supported by two other sources, Andrews 2014 and Koehler 2023 (timestamp 6:45).
– TCMemoire 18:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
Battle of Tinzaouaten (2024)
- ... that the Battle of Tinzaouaten likely saw the Wagner Group's largest death toll in Mali since its deployment there in 2021?
- Source: Bloomberg
- ALT1: ... that Ukraine's Main Directorate of Intelligence said that it provided Tuareg rebels assistance that enabled their victory in a battle against Wagner Group mercenaries in Mali?
- Source: The Guardian
- Reviewed:
Chomik! (talk?) 17:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
- @Chomik: can you pick a hook that's more definitive? "Likely" sounds ambiguous and usually requires attribution.VR (Please ping on reply) 14:07, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Vice regent: most sources agree that this was the Wagner Group's biggest loss in Mali ([34] [35] [36]) but I'm not sure if it would be acceptable to remove the word "likely" since there's no confirmed death toll. If not, I could change the hook to be about Ukraine's involvement. Chomik! (talk?) 14:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the toll is not confirmed best not to use it as a hook. Ukraine's involvement does sound more interesting.VR (Please ping on reply) 16:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Vice regent: added an alt hook about Ukraine. Chomik! (talk?) 17:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- It looks good as it is. I would prefer "that Ukraine said it provided Tuareg rebels with assistance in their successful ambush of Wagner Group mercenaries in Mali?" As I said on talk this was more of an ambush. But I think your alt is fine too.VR (Please ping on reply) 22:27, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Vice regent: added an alt hook about Ukraine. Chomik! (talk?) 17:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the toll is not confirmed best not to use it as a hook. Ukraine's involvement does sound more interesting.VR (Please ping on reply) 16:17, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Cosmetic Playlover
- ... that Sachi Narashima came up with the idea for the manga Cosmetic Playlover after her friend, who worked as a beauty consultant, mentioned to her that there were male beauty consultants?
- Source: Spoon 2Di vol. 106 (ISBN 978-4048984997): "まんがのネタを考えていた時にBAの友人から「男性の美容部員もいるよ」と考えてもらったことがきっかけです。"
lullabying (talk) 06:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
Roy Applequist
- ... that Roy Applequist worked in his father's farm equipment business before founding his own? Source: "Roy Applequist". Kansas Business Hall of Fame. 2010. Retrieved 2024-07-28.
- ALT1: ... that Roy Applequist is in the Kansas Business Hall of Fame? Source: "Roy Applequist". Kansas Business Hall of Fame. 2010. Retrieved 2024-07-28.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ecco2K
- Comment: Thanks for the review!
Bsoyka (t • c • g) 16:56, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
2024 Tel Aviv drone attack
- ... that the drone attack by Yemeni Houthis hit the target in Tel Aviv while no air raid siren sounded?
- Source: Al Jazeera, CNN
Mhhossein talk 06:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
- ALT1: ... that a drone attack by the Houthi military hit a target in Tel Aviv, but no sirens were activated? Al Jazeera
- Not reviewing, but proposing ALT1 above with different wording. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 17:38, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Aren't we supposed to have upbeat hooks? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 21:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily, just interesting hooks. Even so, I'm not sure how one could make an "upbeat" hook out of a military drone attack. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 21:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- My point exactly. But I recall editors telling me we could not have hooks that are like this at DYK, because they were downbeat. The same reason we don't see hooks of interesting murders.2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 22:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that in our guidelines — take a look at WP:DYKINT. I've personally written about a murder and it was added to DYK. Perhaps you're thinking of our rule that hooks must use a neutral point of view? In this case, the hook may seem "downbeat" but it's very neutral, stating simple facts. On the other hand, "... that a terrible drone attack terrorized Tel Aviv?" would be unacceptable for its lack of neutrality. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- No -- I'm not thinking about NPOV. Perhaps one of the wise sages at DYK knows what I am referring to. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 23:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that in our guidelines — take a look at WP:DYKINT. I've personally written about a murder and it was added to DYK. Perhaps you're thinking of our rule that hooks must use a neutral point of view? In this case, the hook may seem "downbeat" but it's very neutral, stating simple facts. On the other hand, "... that a terrible drone attack terrorized Tel Aviv?" would be unacceptable for its lack of neutrality. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 22:09, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- My point exactly. But I recall editors telling me we could not have hooks that are like this at DYK, because they were downbeat. The same reason we don't see hooks of interesting murders.2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 22:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Not necessarily, just interesting hooks. Even so, I'm not sure how one could make an "upbeat" hook out of a military drone attack. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 21:52, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Aren't we supposed to have upbeat hooks? 2603:7000:2101:AA00:54B:36AA:A773:7A69 (talk) 21:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
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QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Earwig gives " Violation Unlikely, 15.3%". No major problems that I can see. Mhhossein has not yet completed QPQ. VR (Please ping on reply) 01:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the review VR. QPQ is done now. --Mhhossein talk 13:04, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Patrick J. Hessian
- ... that Patrick J. Hessian (pictured) was one of four alumni of Saint Paul Seminary in St. Paul, Minnesota to become the Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army?
- ALT1: ... that Patrick J. Hessian (pictured), along with Patrick J. Ryan, Francis L. Sampson, and Donald W. Shea, was one four alumni of Saint Paul Seminary to become the Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20150912110512/http://www.stthomas.edu/media/spssod/pdfs/oracle/2015WinterOracle.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_of_Chaplains_of_the_United_States_Army
- ALT2: ... that Patrick J. Hessian, the 16th Chief of Chaplains of the United States Army, earned the Soldier's Medal for disarming a suicidal soldier who was holding a live grenade with the pin pulled? Source: Coleman, Nick (Sep 14, 2007). "Monsignor was the face of God in war's inferno". Star Tribune. Retrieved 28 July 2024.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Can individually source each of the chaplain's alumnus status if need be
~Darth StabroTalk/Contribs 04:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC).
Current nominations
editArticles created/expanded on July 29
editPremna microphylla
- ... that tofu grows on trees (pictured)?
- Source: LI, Gang-feng; YAN, Hong-bo; KANG, Ming; WANG, Huan; HE, Zhi-jun; ZHOU, Qiang-ying; ZHANG, Hua-min (19 February 2017). "豆腐柴叶豆腐的加工工艺优化" [Optimization of Processing Technology of Premna microphylla Turcz Leaf Tofu]. 食品研究与开发 (in Chinese). 38 (14): 68–74. doi:10.3969/j.issn.1005-6521.2017.14.015. ISSN 1005-6521. Archived from the original on 6 July 2024. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- ALT1: ... that a Premna microphylla plant (pictured) was an autonomous bonsai for an art installation?
- Source: Roth, Christopher; Malik, Suhail; Seidler, Paul; Rafferty, Penny; Noorizadeh, Bahar; Raesaar, Kristel (25 May 2022). REALTY Beyond the Traditional Blueprints of Art & Gentrification. Hatje Cantz Verlag GmbH. pp. 151–152. ISBN 9783775753432. OCLC 1372166991. Archived from the original on 21 May 2023. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- terra0 (16 November 2018). "Premna Daemon — An Introduction via a History of Autonomy in the Cryptosphere". Medium. Archived from the original on 23 February 2024. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- "terra0". github. Archived from the original on 6 July 2024. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- "Premna Daemon – An Introduction via a History of Autonomy in the Cryptosphere". Info Institute. 9 November 2023. Archived from the original on 5 July 2024. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- ALT2: ... that the leaves of Premna microphylla (pictured) are used to make a green jelly called Guanyin tofu? Source: LI, Mei-qing; WANG, Yuan-li; DONG, Ming; HE, Jin-ling (2011). "豆腐柴的研究与应用综述" [Summarization of research and application of Premna microphylla Turcz]. Science and Technology of Food Industry (in Chinese) (3): 462–464. doi:10.13386/j.issn1002-0306.2011.03.029. ISSN 1002-0306. Archived from the original on 3 July 2024. Retrieved 3 July 2024.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Congenital anosmia
awkwafaba (📥) 20:54, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
- Starting review. On initial glance I feel the names section needs clean up. Inclusion of non-English vernacular names is a touchy subject with proponents both ways, so I won't outright say the section should be trimmed down. However, each name should not be an individual paragraph, as that's very close to shouting, especially with the bolding. Combining the single sentences into a paragraph will clean up the section and make it more legible.--Kevmin § 00:01, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I debolded the alternative languages and combined the paragraphs. awkwafaba (📥) 17:22, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
Canadian Premier League inaugural match
- ... that the Canadian Premier League inaugural match led to the suspension of both team captains?
- Source: Jacques, John (May 7, 2019). "Kyle Bekker Suspended By Canada Soccer For Di Chiara Incident". Northern Tribune. Archived from the original on July 11, 2024. Retrieved August 2, 2024. Bedakian, Armen (April 27, 2019). "Y9's Brennan consoles Aparicio after historic 1st CPL red card". Canadian Premier League. Archived from the original on July 13, 2024. Retrieved August 2, 2024.
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I am wordsmyth (talk) 20:24, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
Auckland Central in the 2020 New Zealand general election
- ... that Chlöe Swarbrick won the race for Auckland Central in the 2020 New Zealand general election, the first time a Green candidate had won an electorate without major party endorsement?
- Source: "The Green MP was still pinching herself today after claiming her party's second-ever electorate seat and the first without a major party endorsement." link
- Reviewed:
TheLoyalOrder (talk) 10:38, 31 July 2024 (UTC).
- Reviewing this. On first look, the "Declined" section has to have a ref. I suppose the "Declared" section does not need a separate ref as those are the same people in the "Results" section but other people may think otherwise. In the "Background" section, the background ref has to have a ref on electoral system. Full review to come later. Howard the Duck (talk) 04:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kia ora, I have done the things in this comment.TheLoyalOrder (talk) 09:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, due to unforeseen personal circumstances, I won't be able to continue the review. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I'd be interested in taking over this review if needed @Howard the Duck:. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, no worries! Howard the Duck (talk) 11:37, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I'd be interested in taking over this review if needed @Howard the Duck:. Ornithoptera (talk) 07:28, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, due to unforeseen personal circumstances, I won't be able to continue the review. Howard the Duck (talk) 17:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kia ora, I have done the things in this comment.TheLoyalOrder (talk) 09:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Homer House
- ... that artist Winslow Homer, who made Homer House (pictured) historic, never lived in it?
- Source: https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2016/06/winslow-homers-early-days "The 1853 Homer House, an Italianate mansion that dominates a hill just above Belmont town center, is open for tours. ... Guided tours highlight the largely untouched original interior architecture, along with the life and early work of the couple’s nephew, Winslow Homer. ... He and his family lived nearby, but in a modest farmhouse (still standing and privately owned)..."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/DI MA-1 Mk. III
- Comment: Open to synonyms for "historic": "consequential"? "significant"? Our tried and true "notable"? Each would work, but have slightly different alternative meanings.
GRuban (talk) 13:26, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
- Alt1 ...that the cupola of Homer House (pictured) is part of a 19th-century cooling system?
- Sources: https://eu.wickedlocal.com/story/belmont-citizen-herald/2015/10/01/this-old-house-renovates/33376213007/ "Richard Trethewey gets a tour of the home’s original plumbing and cupola-- which acted as the cooling system of the 1853 mansion", https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzSei7_sJ0 (YouTube clip from This Old House programme)
TSventon (talk) 14:39, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
On the article talk page, User:TSventon points out that the article doesn't explicitly back the hook, by which I believe they mean that it doesn't explicitly say "Winslow Homer made Homer House historic". That is true, the sources mostly talk about the house by talking about it in the context of the life of the artist, which I think is the same thing, but if the reviewer disagrees, we can say:
- ALT2 ... that artist Winslow Homer depicted but never lived in Homer House (pictured)?
--GRuban (talk) 14:10, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Kitāb al-Ṭabikh fī al-Maghrib wa al-Andalus fī ʽAṣr al-Muwaḥḥidīn, li-muʽallif majhūl
- ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a cookbook from Islamic Spain, includes early versions of several Jewish dishes still enjoyed today, such as mofletta and challah?
- Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2022). "Jews, Food, and Spain: the Oldest Medieval Spanish Cookbook and the Sephardic Culinary Heritage". Boston: Academic Studies Press. pp. 64–69; Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2020). "The Sephardi Origin of the Challah Braided Bread". Meldar: Revista Internacional De Estudios sefardíes. 1: 69–71
- ALT1: ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a medieval Andalusian cookbook, contains an early version of Jewish challah bread, which may have traveled with Jews expelled from Spain and influenced Ashkenazi cuisine? Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2020). "The Sephardi Origin of the Challah Braided Bread". Meldar: Revista Internacional De Estudios sefardíes. 1: 69–71
- ALT2: ... that the Kitāb al-Ṭabikh, a medieval Andalusian cookbook, contains an early version of mofletta, a pancake dish still enjoyed by Sephardic Moroccan Jews during Mimouna, a post-Passover celebration? Source: Jawhara Piñer, Hélène (2022). "Jews, Food, and Spain: the Oldest Medieval Spanish Cookbook and the Sephardic Culinary Heritage". Boston: Academic Studies Press. pp. 64–69
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PeleYoetz (talk) 08:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
- Not a full review, but I'd prefer describing it as "Andalusian cookbook". "medieval Andalusian" is redundant, since Al-Andalus didn't last into modern times. And "Medieval Spain" is imprecise given there were two medieval Spains during the reconquista.VR (Please ping on reply) 13:29, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think the word medieval in "medieval Andalusian" is not redundant at all. The term Andalusians also refers to the modern inhabitants of the Spanish autnomous community of Andalusia, distinct from the usage of the term to refer to medieval Al-Andalus in alt1 and alt2. And regarding Medieval Spain, I'm changing it to Islamic Spain to avoid confusion. PeleYoetz (talk) 08:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1
- ... that Codex Basiliensis A. N. IV. 1, a manuscript of the New Testament, was marked with red chalk for it to be used as a page-template for the first published printed edition of the New Testament?
- Source: Scrivener, Frederick Henry Ambrose; Edward Miller (1894). A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament. Vol. 1 (4th ed.). London: George Bell & Sons. p. 191.
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Stephen Walch (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
Hyakuman-kai no "I Love You"
- ... that Hyakuman-kai no "I Love You" is a popular confession song in Japan?
- ALT1: ... that Hyakuman-kai no "I Love You" was used by people as encouragement after the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20141120081237/http://mfound.jp/interview/mb/rake-futarihitotsu2.html
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- Comment: For my ALT1, I use the archived link as the original link is dead.
Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:10, 29 July 2024 (UTC).
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- @TheNuggeteer: I'm done copy-editing, Just tell parts where it still there is still a problem and I'll fix it.
Articles created/expanded on July 30
editUnrest (2017 film)
- ... that Jennifer Brea directed the Oscar-shortlisted documentary Unrest while bedbound from ME/CFS?
- Source: https://nofilmschool.com/2017/01/unrest-jennifer-brea-interview-sundance-2017 (for bedbound) and https://deadline.com/2017/12/oscars-documentary-feature-shortlist-inconvenient-sequel-la92-icarus-1202222481/ (for Oscar-shortlisted).
—Femke 🐦 (talk) 06:57, 4 August 2024 (UTC).
Iman Mahdavi
- ... that Iman Mahdavi was unaware he was flying to Italy? Source: "Correction: Refugee Team story". Times Union. 2024-07-16. Retrieved 2024-07-30.
- ALT1: ... that Iman Mahdavi started freestyle wrestling because his father was a wrestler? Source: "Iman Mahdavi". International Olympic Committee. Retrieved 2024-07-29.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Christopher Columbus (Zador)
- Comment: Thanks for the review!
Bsoyka (t • c • g) 15:41, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
1990 Serbian general election
- ... that the 1990 Serbian general election elected only two women to the National Assembly of Serbia? Source: Stokić, Ljubiša B. (1994). Demokratija i osvajanje vlasti: izbori u Srbiji 1990 [Democracy and the conquest of power: the elections in Serbia in 1990] (in Serbian). Belgrade: Zenit. p. 624. ISBN 86-81987-06-2.
- ALT1: ... that in the 1990 Serbian general election the Socialist Party of Serbia won 78% of seats despite only winning 48% of the popular vote? Source: Martinov, Zlatoje (2000). U podnožju demokratskih propileja: Izbori u Srbiji, 1990–2000 [At the pedestal of the democratic propylaea: Elections in Serbia, 1990–2000] (in Serbian). Belgrade: Republika. p. 26. OCLC 50410508.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1978 Gilbertese Chief Minister election
- Comment: The only issue that might pop up in this DYK nomination is the timespan of the expansion. I began expanding the article on 8 July when it was at 22k. Now, on 30 July, the article is at 177k. The article met the 5x criteria on 15 July, when it reached 112k, but was not finished. If this is really strict, I won't have any problems with the DYK being rejected now, considering that the article is up for GAN so I'll re-nominate it for DYK once it passes the GA review sometime in the future.
Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 12:55, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
Apple (song)
- ... that a viral dance for Charli XCX's "Apple", in which performers mimic driving a car, was performed by #Amishtiktok content creators? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/28/apple-dance-charli-xcx-brat-tiktok
Launchballer 10:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
- I can't escape this damn album... well let me review what you've got :)
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- I know many Amish families famously disavow all modern forms of technology (though as with any religion there is internal diversity), so there is potential here. However, some tweaking can be done, removing a couple of unnecessary information. Do we need to specify the title of the song, or the platform where the dance went viral? Wrt the article itself, I have some concerns - what makes neonmusic.com, Resident Advisor, and Whynow RS? Furthermore, the article uses two student newspapers. Once these are addressed, I will be glad to look at the hook again. Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 05:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Neonmusic has a proper editorial structure in place, so I'm inclined to trust it. The rest are all attributed opinion. (Whynow and Resident Advisor don't put theirs on their website, however google tells me they both have editors.) Student media "can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics". ALT0a: ... that a viral dance in which performers mimic driving a car was performed by Amish content creators?--Launchballer 07:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer, RSSM also says that "professional sources are typically preferred when available." Surely given the big cultural moment Brat is going through, there are more reliable, professional reviews you can use to replace those student publications. Wrt hook, I would highlight that it was a viral dance from the Internet: perhaps ALT0b: ...that some of the many participants of a recent Internet dance challenge were Amish people? Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 08:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't agree that existence of other coverage has any bearing on whether the student publications should be included. For what they're being used for, i.e. attributed opinion, they're fine. You're right that there is lots of extra coverage of Brat, however Apple wasn't released as a single until very recently and all of the critical reception predates the song going viral, so there's much less of it than you'd think. Surprisingly few critics mentioned it as a highlight. (Much of the coverage went on some of the tracks that actually were singles; most of the hits for ""charli xcx" brat review apple" include phrases like "Apple Music" and "Fiona Apple".) I've added one more WP:EXPERTSPS which I missed when I looked the first time. (You'd need a second reviewer for ALT0b as neither of my hooks mention when the track was released, and I'm tempted to ask them about this as well.)--Launchballer 08:36, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer, RSSM also says that "professional sources are typically preferred when available." Surely given the big cultural moment Brat is going through, there are more reliable, professional reviews you can use to replace those student publications. Wrt hook, I would highlight that it was a viral dance from the Internet: perhaps ALT0b: ...that some of the many participants of a recent Internet dance challenge were Amish people? Elias / PSA 🏕️🪐 [please make some noise] 08:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Neonmusic has a proper editorial structure in place, so I'm inclined to trust it. The rest are all attributed opinion. (Whynow and Resident Advisor don't put theirs on their website, however google tells me they both have editors.) Student media "can sometimes be considered reliable on other topics". ALT0a: ... that a viral dance in which performers mimic driving a car was performed by Amish content creators?--Launchballer 07:04, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Military-First Girls
- ... that the Military-First Girls are a Japanese girl group that performs North Korean pop songs?
- Source: 日本の北朝鮮ファンクラブ、「先軍女子」がダンス披露 [Japanese North Korea fan club 'Military First Girls' performs dances]. Reuters (in Japanese). 6 November 2017.
- ALT1: ... that fans of the Military-First Girls, a Japanese girl group that performs North Korean pop songs, are known as tongmu, meaning 'comrade'? Source: Mao, Yi (4 November 2017). 日本正妹哈北韓 先軍女孩爆紅 [Pretty Japanese girls, North Korea: Military-First Girls become famous]. Liberty Times (in Chinese (Taiwan)).
- ALT2: ... that the Japanese girl group Military-First Girls have compared their interest in North Korean music to other Japanese women's interest in K-pop and Taylor Swift? Source: ALT0 source and Osaki, Tomohiro (16 August 2017). "Drawn to North Korea's culture, Japanese internet star looks beyond the saber-rattling". The Japan Times. Archived from the original on 16 August 2017.
Yue🌙 00:45, 30 July 2024 (UTC).
- This is a neat fact, I'll jump on this. Article is new and long enough, and QPQ is met. Reuters is a reliable source and the primary proposed hook is obviously uncontroversial. The first hook is definitely the most direct and interesting, though personally I'd word it in a more attention-grabbing way such as "...that there is a Japanese girl group that performs North Korean pop songs?", stating it less as a fact and more as an anecdote. Not a dealbreaker if you prefer it as is though, the hook is perfectly acceptable. My main concern is with the article itself. While it's mostly presentable, seems copyright free, and has adequate sourcing, I'm concerned about the accuracy of its framing of the topic. It calls them a girl group and states they do musical performances of Korean pop. However, most sources (both utilized and other general google results) appear to call them a fan club, and I can only find any reference to them doing dance, not singing. The Reuters sources cited for them performing music has a lot of photos where they appear to be dancing without any apparent microphones, and again calls them a fan club who are dancing. This also seems more consistent with their undefined scope of membership. If they are not in fact a musical act, this is a major flaw in the article and the hook, which directly touches on them as a pop act. Do you have any sources that confirm they do any singing and are considered to be a girl group? LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 05:16, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @LittleLazyLass: The Liberty Times article describes them as a "girl group" (女子團體), but it literally means "girl group" and does not refer to a singing act, specifically. I've also come to realise that my understanding of the term "girl group" differs from the definition given on Wikipedia and in most English-language dictionaries. If a girl group was defined by their performances of or to music as I had understood it, then all the sources given would imply this descriptor. However, since that is not the definition of a girl group, I will adjust the article and propose new hooks tomorrow to remedy the issues you have highlighted. Thank you for your help thus far. Yue🌙 07:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- @LittleLazyLass: These adjustments should remedy the framing issues. As for the hook, here's a new one:
- ALT3: ... that the Military-First Girls have compared their interest in North Korean music to other women's interest in K-pop and Taylor Swift? Sources:
- 日本の北朝鮮ファンクラブ、「先軍女子」がダンス披露 [Japanese North Korea fan club 'Military First Girls' performs dances]. Reuters (in Japanese). 6 November 2017.
- Osaki, Tomohiro (16 August 2017). "Drawn to North Korea's culture, Japanese internet star looks beyond the saber-rattling". The Japan Times. Archived from the original on 16 August 2017.
- Let me know what you think. Yue🌙 23:30, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that the Military-First Girls have compared their interest in North Korean music to other women's interest in K-pop and Taylor Swift?
- @LittleLazyLass: These adjustments should remedy the framing issues. As for the hook, here's a new one:
- @LittleLazyLass: The Liberty Times article describes them as a "girl group" (女子團體), but it literally means "girl group" and does not refer to a singing act, specifically. I've also come to realise that my understanding of the term "girl group" differs from the definition given on Wikipedia and in most English-language dictionaries. If a girl group was defined by their performances of or to music as I had understood it, then all the sources given would imply this descriptor. However, since that is not the definition of a girl group, I will adjust the article and propose new hooks tomorrow to remedy the issues you have highlighted. Thank you for your help thus far. Yue🌙 07:04, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
- Much improved! I wouldn't say I see anything wrong with the hook or the article at this point, but I do think the new hook should still include reference to the fact they're Japanese as this is a significant contributor to the fact of them liking North Korean culture being striking. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 06:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @LittleLazyLass: Thanks again for doing this review. Here's an adjusted hook:
- ALT4: ... that the Military-First Girls, a Japanese all-women fan club of the Moranbong Band, have compared their interest in North Korean music to other women's interest in K-pop and Taylor Swift?
- If you like it, please indicate your approval with a checkmark. Cheers! Yue🌙 06:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- @LittleLazyLass: Thanks again for doing this review. Here's an adjusted hook:
- Much improved! I wouldn't say I see anything wrong with the hook or the article at this point, but I do think the new hook should still include reference to the fact they're Japanese as this is a significant contributor to the fact of them liking North Korean culture being striking. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 06:40, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 31
editHands on Me (Jason Derulo song)
- ... that a lyric in the song "Hands on Me" is about Meghan Trainor being unable to have sex due to pelvic floor damage?
- Source: Workin' on It Pod
- ALT1: ... that a Jason Derulo and Meghan Trainor song was characterized as "horny housewife music" by a critic? Source: Exclaim!
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ōshima-tsumugi
Yahya Al Ghotany
- ... that Olympic taekwondo practitioner Yahya Al Ghotany learned the sport "by chance" at a refugee camp?
- Source: The Korea Times ("he and his family have been sheltering in the Azraq refugee camp ... It was there where he, the first in a family of seven children, discovered taekwondo 'by chance.' His friend at the camp told him about the taekwondo course offered by the Taekwondo Humanitarian Foundation (THF) in 2016. That is how he got into the sport, without knowing it would completely change his life.")
BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:16, 31 July 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: review ongoing; Given that from the sources you know his age at a point in time, you may want to use the template that allows you to identify his birth year range (and age range I believe) within the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7000:2101:AA00:EDD1:6EEC:9F54:77B2 (talk) 7:26, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on August 1
editOne Million Monkeys Typing
- ... that a researcher called the community on short-lived collaborative writing website One Million Monkeys Typing "astonishingly harmonious"?
- Source: Klaiber 2014: "Netiquette styles vary considerably from platform to platform: while the social aesthetics of OMM prove astonishingly harmonious, Protagonize, for instance, seems to allow for more direct critique of creative work."
- ALT1 ... that in 2008, One Million Monkeys Typing had only about 600 "monkeys" typing?
- Source: Wilkinson 2008 (offline): "as of today [July 2008 when the article was published], there are over 600 monkeys."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dissolution Grip (1 of 2)
- Comment: The "short-lived" bit in alt0 is, I realize, a tad subjective and can be struck at the reviewer's discretion.
—Collint c 00:14, 5 August 2024 (UTC).
Oedipus (opera)
- ... that the world premiere of Oedipus by Wolfgang Rihm (pictured) in 1987 at the Deutsche Oper Berlin was broadcast live? Source: [37]
- ALT1: ... that .the orchestra for the opera Oedipus by Wolfgang Rihm (pictured) has no string players except two solo violins playing after the title character blinds himself? Source: Schreiber
- ALT2: ... that Wolfgang Rihm (pictured) said about the music of his 1987 opera Oedipus: "Sound is a weapon here – or a scalpel?"? Source: [38]
- Reviewed: William Pope (priest)
Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
Zero-emission zone in Oxford
- ... that buses in Oxford accounted for as much as 80% of pollution in the city centre?
- Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25557090 "The LEZ [low emission zone] will only apply to buses which account for up 80% of the pollution in the city centre"
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- Comment: Should be good as this article is just above 1500 characters. My third article.
JuniperChill (talk) 08:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, but there was an excellent piece in Roads.org.uk that talks about this. I'll leave it to you to decide whether he constitutes an WP:EXPERTSPS or not.--Launchballer 09:45, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah yes, I never thought about reading that article. It's very useful for readers. I have heard of roads.org.uk but never thought about them publishing a ZEZ article. JuniperChill (talk) 11:43, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
- You might want to do something about the unsourced content in this. (I don't plan on reviewing this any time soon as I review oldest first, but I might pop in and expand it once I've finished the stuff on my to-do list.)--Launchballer 12:16, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Yellow River Delta National Nature Reserve
- ... that the management zoning of the Yellow River Delta National Nature Reserve was partially designed around the needs of the Shengli Oil Field? Source: This condition may reflect the fact that the functional zoning map of the YRDNR represents a trade-off between wetland habitat protection and oil field development
CMD (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on August 2
editAni ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu
- ... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu made the main characters realize they were not blood-related siblings early in the story so that she could focus on their romance?
- ALT1: ... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu felt the only way she could give the main characters a "happy ending" was for them to not be blood-related siblings? Source: https://natalie.mu/comic/pp/sho-comi50th_01
- ALT2: ... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu named a character after an original character that appeared in the live-action adaptations? Source: https://natalie.mu/comic/pp/sho-comi50th_01
- ALT3: ... that the creator of the manga series Ani ni Aisaresugite Komattemasu owed the fast pace of the series to the semi-monthly release schedule of Sho-Comi? Source: https://natalie.mu/comic/pp/sho-comi50th_01
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ai Uta
lullabying (talk) 09:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC).
Jesse Grupper
- ... that when not rock climbing, American Olympian Jesse Grupper develops exoskeletons?
- Reviewed: Fantasy (Las Vegas show)
- Comment: Nominated on behalf of an IP editor, who will (as usual) provide the QPQ. Grupper is going to compete in the lead semifinal of the men's combined rock climbing. That date is not far away but if we can get this reviewed in a hurry, it'll fit into that date alright as we've only got two other nominations (on most days, we have three).
Schwede66 08:51, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
- There's some close paraphrasing that will need to be addressed before this can go anywhere. I trust the IP editor will get onto this. Schwede66 08:06, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- A 5x expansion has been verified. The minor close paraphrasing remains unresolved, so that has to be fixed first. His date of birth is currently uncited in the article and will need to be referenced. The New Jersey 101.5 reference seems to be showing the wrong URL, so that needs to be fixed. There's a minor typo in the article: "Pan American Gamess" instead of "Games". Finally, the IFSC results reference needs to be made more specific since right now it just uses the main landing page rather than the results for the actual competition. Otherwise, the QPQ has been done and verified, so this should be good to go once the issues I raised are fixed. The provided hook meets DYKINT and is confirmed in the source. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:46, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- I also forgot to mention that, in case anyone else notices, the Weebly reference should be okay as it's Grupper's personal website and thus should be fine per WP:SPS. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66: Given how this is supposed to run very soon and the IP hasn't responded yet, you may have to be the one to fix the issues in their place. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:20, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I have no doubt that we'll hear something soon. Schwede66 01:53, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- I've fixed some problems while waiting for IP. Date of birth now cited. The New Jersey 101.5. story "Look for these NJ athletes at the Paris Olympics" is below the murder story on that page, so the weird URL seems actually correct. For "Pan American Gamess", it now is piped to the actual event page and typo is fixed. For ifsc results, I've added a story from gripped re overall bronze and changed main ifsc landing page to Grupper's athlete page on that site. On that page, choose year "2022" and discipline "lead" for places results which verifies 2 x wins, 1 x 2nd and 1 x 3rd. JennyOz (talk) 02:40, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Bangué
- ... that Bangué, the smallest island of the Bazaruto Archipelago, was formed due to the archipelago itself?
- Source: Everett, B. I.; Van der Elst, R. P.; Schleyer, M. H., eds. "Geomorphology and the Terrestrial and Oceanographic Setting". in Everett, B. I.; Van der Elst, R. P.; Schleyer, M. H., eds. (2008). A Natural History of the Bazaruto Archipelago, Mozambique (PDF). Durban: South African Association for Marine Biological Research. ISBN 9780869890820.
Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 16:44, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
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- Other problems: - I would recommend the hook be reworded since it is a bit confusing in my view.
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Overall: New enough, long enough, plagiarism free, QPQ is completed. I believe that the hook is interesting, but could use a reword. I am presuming that the source for the hook is from the section pertaining to the wave action causing the island to emerge? I'm spitballing here, but "arisen through wave action" could possibly be something interesting to be used as a hook. Ornithoptera (talk) 01:46, 3 August 2024 (UTC)
Mark Robert Harrison
- ... that painter Mark Robert Harrison left Canada to run an unsuccessful steamboat service with his brother in Wisconsin?
- ALT1: ... that in 1846, the brother of painter Mark Robert Harrison died in a fire that broke out at one of Harrison's own exhibitions? Source: [41]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Talbot H. Green
Kimikel (talk) 00:56, 2 August 2024 (UTC).
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editSitting Bull and Buffalo Bill
- ... that one of the last photographs ever taken of Sitting Bull shows him side by side with Buffalo Bill?
- Source: Journal de Montréal (Évelyne Ferron, 19 May 2024) : « D’ailleurs, une de ses photographies les plus célèbres a été prise dans le grand studio montréalais William Notman & Son. Ces photographies sont d’autant plus importantes puisqu’elles sont parmi les dernières prises du grand chef sioux. » (French) = "In fact, one of the most famous photographs [of Sitting Bull] was taken in the great Montreal studio William Notman & Son. These photographs are especially important because they are some of the last ever taken of the great Sioux leader." (English)
- Reviewed:
WikiFouf (talk) 22:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC).
Toy unboxing
- ... that a Los Angeles summer camp teaches children how to become YouTubers by making toy unboxing videos?
- Reviewed:
Sahaib (talk) 15:23, 4 August 2024 (UTC).
Republic Drug Store
- ... that the Republic Drug Store (building pictured) was formed from the consolidation of an estate and its competition?
- Source: (REF 2) Washington State Dept. of Archaeology & Historic Preservation "Slagle house" article 4th & 5th Paragraphs. "In 1904 he was sent to Republic ... to liquidate a drugstore that made up part of an estate"
- ALT1: ... that the Republic Drug Store (building pictured) was thought to be Washington state's oldest continually family run drugstore in 2003? Source: Source: Craig, J. (June 24, 2003). "Forecast calls for keen observer". The Spokesman-Review. Vol. 121, no. 14. p. B6. "...its believed to be the oldest drugstore in continuous family ownership in Washington..."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Scybalium fungiforme
- Comment: While the "Slagle house" article is in wordpress, it was published by an official part of the Washington State government, the Department of Archaeology & Historic Preservation and thus fulfils notability criteria. The information is also found in the Washington SP Slagle, Jesse W. & Elizabeth, House article of the National Register of Historic Places; Sect 8 page 3
Kevmin § 23:38, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
A. I. Namm & Son Department Store
- ... that an annex to the A. I. Namm & Son Department Store included artifacts from a church? Source: "Namm Store Opens Golden Jubilee Year Tomorrow". The Standard Union. January 29, 1926. p. 2.
- ALT1: ... that the A. I. Namm & Son Department Store was once described as one of the United States' largest cash-only department stores? Source: A. I. Namm & Son Department Store (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. March 15, 2005. p. 3
- ALT2: ... that although the A. I. Namm & Son Department Store was Brooklyn's third-largest department store in the 1950s, it was closed by the end of the decade? Source: "Namm's Marks 75th Year; Brooklyn Store Continues a Family Tradition". The New York Times. January 10, 1951; Eichelbaum, Fred (March 4, 1957). "Namm Loeser's Sale Total Put At $1½ Million: Bargain Hunters Lured". Women's Wear Daily. Vol. 94, no. 43. p. 3.
- ALT3: ... that it took five weeks to construct the frame of an annex to the A. I. Namm & Son Department Store? Source: "Namm's New Building Making Great Progress". The Standard Union.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/
- Comment: QPQ pending. Any hook suggestions are much appreciated.
Epicgenius (talk) 20:35, 3 August 2024 (UTC).
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