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Multiple issuesEdit

Well, it's been a couple of days of unpremeditated chaos. But thank you for nudging me to visit Syabi, where I saw all of Atsushi Fujiwara's photobooks and was particularly impressed by Nangokushō.

I'm told (admittedly not by you) of "multiple issues", specifically that (and I quote):

  • This article needs more links to other articles to help integrate it into the encyclopedia. (November 2015)
  • This biography of a living person needs additional citations for verification. (September 2015)

The former: no. (Other articles should link to it, but that's a different story.) It's bristling with links (some via WikiData). The latter: yes, in the list of exhibitions. (Sourcing every exhibition in a list that some previous editor has lazily copy/pasted from one created by the artist always involves major drudgery. I've started this, but ... yawn.)

The facts that the "article" on Fujiwara in en:WP was garbage (and that in ja:WP still is), and that neither Yang Seungwoo nor Takehiko Nakafuji appears to have any article in any Wikipedia, combine to depress me. Particularly in view of the assiduous (and uncritical) attention paid by WP editors to Japanese pablum for the young and the young at brain. Time for me to turn off the computer and to "get a life" (for a couple of hours). -- Hoary (talk) 01:45, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Hey! I'm glad something good came of me mulling through the orphaned Japanese photographer list (both your visit and the improvement to the article). I've pulled the maintenance tags because I think they've been pretty much dealt with, and I nominated it at DYK because I think your hard work deserves the recognition. You can find the nom at Template:Did you know nominations/Atsushi Fujiwara if you feel like commenting :) ♠PMC(talk) 04:10, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Ooh, thank you for your two suggestions there. Errm, I'm not keen to turn the spotlight on Butterfly, for three reasons. First, I have a hunch that I don't get the book; I mean, I kind of understand what Fujiwara's doing and I do understand what people say about the book, but somehow it doesn't click with me and I'm pretty sure that it's me whose at fault. Secondly, it's a seemingly private book. Yes, it's published, but only in an edition of a few hundred. I'd guess that the protagonist might not be so happy to think of hundreds of Wikipedia-surfers investigating her. Thirdly, I don't relish the prospect of mouth-breathers in search of salacious content writing stupid comments on my article.

As for Poet Island, good idea. Almost certainly Fujiwara's childhood visit was part of the reason why he returned, but the major reason would have been his realization that Akashi had been cooped up in this isolation hospital, writing celebratory poems while effectively imprisoned and with impending/actual blindness and tracheotomy. (Recommended read.) So how about the following?

... that for his photobook Poet Island, Atsushi Fujiwara returned to the leper colony Nagashima Aiseien to depict the world of the poet Kaijin Akashi, who had lived, gone blind, and died there?

I'm not sure of the rules: in terms of editable characters (e.g. the 26 in "'''[[Atsushi Fujiwara]]'''"), it's over 200; in terms of visible characters (e.g. the 16 in "Atsushi Fujiwara"), it's under. (Or so I think. It's been a long day, and I've just downed a richly deserved beer.) And the big problem is that there's no en:WP (or ja:WP) article on Akashi and no prospect of one. (I couldn't amass the needed sources, and I'm utterly unqualified to write about Japanese poetry.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:22, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I like your hook, it's quite elegant. I've replaced the Butterfly hook with your version. I think the rule is for visible characters so it should be fine, but in any case, they're usually a bit lenient with the hook squeaking over the character count. I confess I'm quite curious about Butterfly now. The preview photos from Poet Island look really lovely; I quite like abandoned places so it seems like it would be up my alley. ♠PMC(talk) 20:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm having trouble with this. First, it's Akashi's physical world, and I'd like to point out that this wasn't where he spent his last years after a career in poetry but instead where he wrote the poetry. However:

... that for his photobook Poet Island, Atsushi Fujiwara returned to the leper colony Nagashima Aiseien to depict the physical world of Kaijin Akashi, who had written poetry as his health declined and he went blind there?

is too wordy even as it is, and without saying "the poet Kaijin Akashi" it risks giving the impression that he was merely a casual or occasional poet. Secondly, it makes Akashi more interesting than Fujiwara, and we have nothing on offer for Akashi. But I've just realized that yes WP does offer a couple of uninteresting stubs (in French and German). (Each is titled "Akashi Kaijin", as is right; but as is wrong in terms of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles.)

How about:

... that for his photobook Poet Island, Atsushi Fujiwara returned to the leper colony Nagashima Aiseien to depict the world of the poet Kaijin Akashi, who had lived, gone blind, and died there?

Just think how this nudge to read something in French or German will offend the monoglots who slept through their second-language classes in grade school, heh heh. -- Hoary (talk) 23:15, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Pee-esses: (1) Unfortunately Butterfly had a dream is out of stock at Shashasha; maybe they'll get more in, because copies were in stock at Sōkyūsha's bookshop as recently as yesterday. Shashasha does offer Poet Island and the other pair. (2) "Earwig percentage"? -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I wrote you a present: Kaijin Akashi. I'm also unqualified, but I basically only write articles on topics I don't know a thing about, so I decided to take the leap. If I can get it to 1500 characters, we can make it a twofer DYK, which is kind of neat. There's probably enough available if I dredge JSTOR and anything else I have access to, but I'm almost off work so I'll have to get back to it tomorrow. I can probably figure something out for the hook once I've had sufficient coffee and time to think on it. ♠PMC(talk) 01:47, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Oh - Earwig's Tool is the standard copyvio checker. It spits out a percentage of copied text compared to a source. Often it's a false positive if there are lots of proper nouns on a page. ♠PMC(talk) 01:48, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah . . . thank you. Akashi's an interesting person, and there's a dismaying amount available about him. Books full of it, indeed. I've done a very little work on the budding article, but really, I'm pressed for time, and I know squat about tanka, waka, or for that matter about non-constrained Japanese poetry. (Ahem, or, come to think of it, about non-Japanese poetry. The closest I've come in WP is Morris Bishop.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:25, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay in responding. I managed to get Kaijin Akashi up to 1500 characters, so hopefully I can sneak it into the DYK and make it a two-for-one combo. Speaking of, I added another hook - see if you like it? ♠PMC(talk) 11:51, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Responded to DYK suggestionsEdit

Hi Premeditated Chaos thank you for reviewing this DYK nomination: I appreciate your time. I've expanded the lead, moved the SB Anthony reference to the activism section and created a Alt 2 teaser with your suggested copy. I can't help but think how formidable Mrs. Cook must have been! Hope these edits capture your request, though I'm not sure if I should answer on your talk page or the nomination talk page. Nicolet1327 (talk)

Hi sorry about the delay! I've responded on the DYK nom :) ♠PMC(talk) 14:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Akashi's startEdit

Thank you for your good work on/for the two articles. But we have a problem:

1. Noda/Akashi "started to write poetry in traditional Japanese forms while working as a primary school teacher": which I sourced to Ikeda's page about him. Of course, it's imaginable that Ikeda is wrong, or that I misunderstood something.

2. "While at Nagashima Aiseien, [Akashi] began to write poetry, primarily in the traditional haiku and waka formats": which you sourced to one or both of two articles by Kathryn Tanaka. Of these two, "Writing ties in Japan" barely mentions Akashi (though it does say something about "leprosy literature", so I don't dispute its usefulness or quoteworthiness). I lack access to "Contested histories and happiness" (unless perhaps I pay); does this really say that he started after he was institutionalized?

I'll leave this matter with you, as I have to leave the interwebs right now for a couple of days. (Incidentally, I'm in too much of a rush to check if it was haiku; I'd thought it was tanka.) But I do think that something has to be done here, as the article contradicts itself. -- Hoary (talk) 01:42, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

The original wording there was a leftover from the French Wikipedia article. Keeping in mind that I'm using Google translate, I'm not sure I see where Ikeda says his writing started while he was a schoolteacher. This timeline by Dr. Hisayo Okano also doesn't mention poetry during his teaching career, but says that he started "composition and haiku" in 1933 after his caregivers relieved his "mental confusion". That could be an translation thing though - it's possible that in context it means that he started writing again after stopping due to mental confusion. I'll do more digging. ♠PMC(talk) 02:59, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Wait, this quote from Akashi says he didn't start writing tanka until he was in his 30s. ♠PMC(talk) 03:25, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for all your good work while I was computerless; let's go with your sources.
A note on File:Kaijin Akashi.jpg: Ikeda says that it was taken in Akashi's later years and that it's from the extreme right of a group photo. We find the photo here; larger, but no better, it's here. The web page says that the photo was supplied by 長島愛生園歴史館, i.e. Nagashima Aisei-en Rekishikan, or something like the Nagashima Aisei-en historical museum, whose website is bilingually uninformative. None of this should affect its copyright status in any way. -- Hoary (talk) 10:20, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
I updated the file's info page with that anyway, just for completeness' sake. ♠PMC(talk) 14:49, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Ají catalán.Edit

Sorry for the lag. Now I plunged to reply you and I lost the link to my reference. For what I remember (and can imagine due to the poorness of the coverage); it surely doesn't detail if it's sweet or hot. Indeed they're both, sweet and hot, as they're two varieties, one sweet and other hot. They may not be the true fire, but surely one of those is enough to enchilar the toughest Mexican. I wouldn't use more than a quarter catalán in dish, indeed a quarter is way too much. I'm sorry there's not much information about them (though on a recent episode of master chef Uruguay they used them). --Neurorebel (talk) 03:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

About the cultivar

Honestly I'm not totally sure about the variety, but it surely is a proper cultivar as is described by a different name and is only known in Uruguay, if not they would call it ají dulce or ají picante. For sure some agricultural engeneer would know a lot more. What indedd I'm sure is:

  • it's not paprika
  • it's not ají putaparió
  • it's not jalapeño
  • its not a bell pepper.
  • It has at least (surely more) 50 years in Uruguay.
Ok, but regardless, the point was that it didn't have a proper reference and can't be included in that list without one. ♠PMC(talk) 14:51, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Aboriginal dreamtime legends pageEdit

Tell him to stay in America, he knows nothing of Australian Dreamtime legends — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamilton36 (talkcontribs) 10:03, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. ♠PMC(talk) 14:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Islanders (video game)Edit

  Hello! Your submission of Islanders (video game) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! AmericanAir88(talk) 19:28, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Linden JayEdit

Hello. Would it be possible to retrieve the above-mentioned page please? I was still creating it and editing it and I was going to use the copied material to fill in all the information. Or at least retrieve it without the copyrighted material, if possible. That'd be much appreciated! Thanks, --Davideventi (talk) 14:11, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

The whole thing was a copy of this page. There's nothing for me to send you that wasn't already on that page. ♠PMC(talk) 22:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
The bio bit was, because, as I said, it was still a draft and I was still editing it. But the whole part with the credits and releases was not a copy and it took time to put together. Any chance you could retrieve the page without the copied material please? --Davideventi (talk) 23:04, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Frankly I don't believe you; you tried to submit the article and it got declined because it was still a copyvio. In any case, I just went to email you the rest of it and you don't have email enabled. You need to enable email so I can send the rest. ♠PMC(talk) 21:09, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, I have added my email. --Davideventi (talk) 00:56, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Sent. ♠PMC(talk) 01:02, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
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