User talk:Premeditated Chaos

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Happy Nineteenth First Edit Day!

Hey, Premeditated Chaos. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Chris Troutman (talk) 16:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Why was my page on Nicolas Pascarel deleted? I want to recreate the page

I want to recreate the page asd (talk) 18:48, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Read the blue banner at the top of the page and follow the directions before you post here again. Also, your signature needs to be changed; your username is not clear from it at all. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:20, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Hola

Hey PMC, good job with the orphaned articles! I'm back from my break so looking forward to getting the rest networked up SITH (talk) 21:05, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! What a blast from the past. Good to see you back! You should hop on the Discord sometime :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Illusion of Kate Moss

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Your GA nomination of Illusion of Kate Moss

The article Illusion of Kate Moss you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Illusion of Kate Moss for comments about the article, and Talk:Illusion of Kate Moss/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of LunaEatsTuna -- LunaEatsTuna (talk) 06:44, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Hello Premeditated Chaos: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

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MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Alexander McQueen

Please note that a one-off element of a runway show that is not an actual object available anywhere else should not be considered a well-known design of a fashion designer. The image projection also something created by other people, even if it is his idea. There are numerous such elements in his shows, some of them better-known (for example, the robot spray painting, the glass box), don't clatter the lead with them. There are many other things that he actually designed and better known that could be put in the lead ahead of the illusion, like the bumster. Hzh (talk) 13:30, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Don't be silly, just because he didn't physically build it with his hands doesn't make it not his own design - he didn't hand carve the individual armadillo boots either, but those are unquestionably his design. Widows is one of his most significant shows, and the illusion was the banger closing element that people remember years later. It was displayed as an artwork in its own right at the V&A. Obviously it is a significant piece of his design, and unlike the bumsters, it has an article. It belongs in the lead. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

There is a big difference between an actual object designed, and a idea realised. It is also entirely misleading to mention it as one of his designs - people simply don't consider elements in a show as an object designed by a fashion designer, it is not a fashion item. Whether it has its own article is irrelevant - you created the article, all you are doing now is just to publicise your article. Other design elements may be more worthy of inclusion or their own articles, for example the robot spray-painting (that one had more publicity, I even remember one TV show on McQueen where it was the main subject of discussion, and it has also been exhibited). Plenty of McQueen's works are exhibited, you simply cannot list them all in the lead. Mentioning it in isolation (since it is not a fashion item) gives it more prominence than it warrants. Unless you want to devote a paragraph in the lead on his runway shows, it should be not be included. Hzh (talk) 14:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Note also that it other people objected to your edit, per WP:BRD, you should discuss it first before reverting it back. Hzh (talk) 14:33, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

I'm on vacation, per my userpage, so try to be a tad more patient before you accuse me of abandoning a discussion. I'll respond to you further when I'm able but for now I'm going to enjoy the beach. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:29, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Per your request, lead rewritten entirely and now accommodates a mention of the robots and the illusion. Article updated as well since the legacy section was a bit outdated. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 18:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

@Hzh, if you haven't looked at BRD since you were a new editor, then you might want to take note of the word "optional" in its first sentence. Wikipedia:What editors mean when they say you have to follow BRD isn't BRD itself. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:21, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Ah, don't worry about it, the lead looks much better with the revisions so in the end I'm glad this gave me the motivation to rewrite it. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK for The Widows of Culloden

On 28 December 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Widows of Culloden, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the runway show for the Alexander McQueen collection The Widows of Culloden ended with an illusion of Kate Moss that brought the audience to a rowdy standing ovation? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Widows of Culloden. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Widows of Culloden), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

What an incredible read, brilliant research, thank you. No Swan So Fine (talk) 13:42, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@No Swan So Fine, thank you for reading and enjoying them! ♠PMC♠ (talk) 14:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

DYK for Illusion of Kate Moss

On 28 December 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Illusion of Kate Moss, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the runway show for the Alexander McQueen collection The Widows of Culloden ended with an illusion of Kate Moss that brought the audience to a rowdy standing ovation? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Widows of Culloden. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Illusion of Kate Moss), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 17,073 views (711.4 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of December 2022 – nice work!

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Your GA nomination of The Widows of Culloden

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Your GA nomination of The Widows of Culloden

The article The Widows of Culloden you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:The Widows of Culloden for comments about the article, and Talk:The Widows of Culloden/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Trainsandotherthings -- Trainsandotherthings (talk) 15:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

♠ New Year's Wishes ♠

Happy New Year, PMC! Thanks for your contributions and supportive words to the users of Wikipedia during your nineteenth year on the free encyclopaedia. Including—by no means limited to—getting eight-ball jacket, illusion of Kate Moss (ayyy!) and The Widows of Culloden (at the last second!) to GA status. I hope we get to interact even more throughout 2023. Have a great day!

Yours truly, 𓃦LunaEatsTuna (💬) 00:06, 1 January 2023 (UTC) (It is now New Year's Day in UTC)

Birdhaur

Hi. You added a link to the census, but it will not open for me. Could you please double check the link? It could be my computer, but I'd like to make sure. Thanks in advance. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Link's correct, but the Census of India website has been super fucky for at least the last year or so. They're badly overdue for Census 2021 what with COVID and all, and I think they just threw up their hands and decided who gives a shit about Census 2011. Meanwhile, we've blacklisted the best mirror, Census2011.co.in, but here's a link to the Birdhaur entry there: https://www.census2011.co.in/data/village/365211-birdhaur-jharkhand.html. I've never had any issue with the accuracy of their data, which is ripped wholesale from the original census. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:32, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

I've asked at MediaWiki_talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed_removals for the blacklist to be lifted, at least until the new Census is conducted and uploaded. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:52, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Discuss Reinstating an Entry

Hi Premeditated Chaos,

I would like to kindly request a second look at the deleted entry for "Aleks Oniszczak" https://wikiarchive.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Aleks_Oniszczak. To cut to the chase, I think the entry merits a reinstatement due to at least one important work: being one of the inventors of the technology behind the current Apple "Magic Trackpad" with multitouch surface as found on all current Apple MacBook computers. The invention is well documented in the CHI 1997 Extended Abstracts on Human Factors in Computing Systems https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-tactile-touchpad-MacKenzie-Oniszczak/d0b97061ce4c3615214d713d6af09be681c77269. The followup paper "A comparison of three selection techniques for touchpads" in the 1998 Engineering Proceedings of the SIGCHI Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems has been cited 116 times. https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/A-comparison-of-three-selection-techniques-for-MacKenzie-Oniszczak/f940911596d8f98fe7cea9f97a9fe260889a8d76

Thank you for your consideration of this matter. 99.224.63.243 (talk) 05:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Both of those are papers co-authored by him, so they can't support a claim to notability. We need significant independent coverage in order to retain an article - that means coverage in sources he didn't write. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 09:09, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Your GA review of Muhajir (Pakistan)

Hi, I noticed that in your GA review of Muhajir (Pakistan) you stated 'The culture section is underbaked and somewhat unencyclopedic' can you please provide me with some more details of the grievances in that section. Please leave a post on my talk as I am prone to forgetfulness and might not recheck this page.

Muhajir (talk) 18:52, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Requesting review of previously deleted article - Narendra Nath Yaddanapudi

Hi, this article was previously deleted for lack of credibility. However, I truly believe and can validate that this article does satisfy the criteria. The director has made a film with top actors/actresses from tollywood. The lead actress is a national award winner. I would like the opportunity to put this update for debate so I can prove credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pilot03 (talk • contribs)

Read the big blue banner at the top of the page. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:36, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Notability Criteria -

• Directed Miss_India_(film) - with national award winning actress Keerthy Suresh that acted in over 30 films
• Film was released on OTT platform due to Covid. It was released in three languages.
• Currently he is also working as a Producer at GOLDEN DIAMOND ENTERTAINMENTS
• Won the Best Debut Director – Special Jury 2020 for his film ‘Miss India’- Santhosham Awards 2021
• In the deletion log, it was stated that he only directed one movie, but he has multiple projects that he is directing

References

Pilot03 (talk) 21:08, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Pilot03

None of the sources linked are reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject Narendra Nath Yaddanapudi. Coverage or notability of other people does not support a claim to notability for Yaddanapudi. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Simenona

This entry does have creditable verified sources. 66.74.128.152 (talk) 13:05, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Simenona has never been article, and you didn't bother to post any sources anyway, so you might as well have just not posted at all for all the usefulness this post provided. Link whatever article you're actually talking about and post actual sources or don't bother replying. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:36, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Deleted Page Karl Lagasse

Hi, hope you are doing well. This article was deleted some months ago: Karl Lagasse. As I did not have time or the opportunity to send my arguments on the discussion page of the article. I have been working on the text of the article again, trying to prove the notability of the artist. Is there a possibility to recreate the article again in this draft space, asking other editors to help work on it, and move it into "article space" when it is ready? or, what are the options just to create the English version of the already french article? I want to mention that the artist Karl Lagasse has an original version of the Wikipedia article in French, since most of his 25 years as an artists were in France, I wanted to create the English version with updated information about his career, as he has lived in the USA since 2018 and has recently been nationalized as an US citizen.

Looking forward for your help and response, 3d.nftart (talk) 20:52, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Did you read the big blue banner at the top of the page? ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Hi, hope you are doing well. This article was deleted some months ago: Karl Lagasse. As I did not have time or the opportunity to send my arguments on the discussion page of the article. I have been working on the text of the article again, trying to prove the notability of the artist. Here are some sources to indicate the notability of the artists- He is mentioned in several independent art and news magazines (some of them are in French): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]

Lagasse is represented by more than 80 galleries worldwide. Here are some of them:

1. Artsper: Is one of the world leaders in the sale of contemporary art online. Karl Lagasse is represented by Artsper.
2. Design by Jaler: Art Gallery in Paris France, partnered with Artsper N°1 European platform for online contemporary art sales. Karl Lagasse has been in several exhibitions represented by the gallery.
3. Be Crazy Art Store: French art gallery that offers a range of street art artists, but also pop art, and some contemporary art. The gallery has represented famous artists like Jeff Koons.

Is there a possibility to recreate the article again in this draft space, asking other editors to help work on it, and move it into "article space" when it is ready? or, what are the options just to create the English version of the already french article? I want to mention that the artist Karl Lagasse has an original version of the Wikipedia article in French, since most of his 25 years as an artists were in France, I wanted to create the English version with updated information about his career, as he has lived in the USA since 2018 and has recently been nationalized as an US citizen. Looking forward for your help and response 3d.nftart (talk) 17:20, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

You didn't need to repeat your entire first message and start a brand new section. Please keep further replies in this section, and please stop doing the weird formatting thing where you put a line break between every sentence and make your messages take up half the page. It's very annoying to read. I've reformatted it for the sake of my eyes.

The sources you've posted above were mentioned and analysed at the original AfD. If you look at the gray bar that says "Source assessment table:" and click "Show", it will expand into a large table that shows why the original nominator did not find those sources reliable - mainly because many are interviews or are based on press releases from the artist. I'm not inclined to undelete a highly promotional article that was deleted at AfD with a reasonable consensus when the best sources you can provide are ones that were already considered and discarded at the AfD. Gallery representation alone is not an indication of notability so I won't bother with that further. You're always free to start a new version in draftspace, which frankly might be better given that the original was so promotional and overwritten it would have had to be blown up and started again anyway. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 00:34, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

The Dance of the Twisted Bull

Nice article! I really enjoyed it. BorgQueen (talk) 20:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @BorgQueen, it's sweet of you to say :D ♠PMC♠ (talk) 23:47, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for reviewing Muhajir (Pakistan)

Muhajir (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Four Awarding

Hi Premeditated Chaos and thanks for helping out in checking and giving Four Awards! Per Wikipedia:Four Award/Instructions, make sure you increment the author tally on the main page if it's a first-time winner, as I believe it was in Astrophobe's case. — Bilorv (talk) 21:06, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

DC GAR

I'd like to move user:SandyGeorgia/sandbox9 to GA space today (Tuesday); might you have a look at it before I do that? If you have any suggestions, it would help to have them with the rest at User talk:SandyGeorgia#PLEASE review my sandbox. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:27, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Hey Sandy, looking now.

• Under the first header, why are we asking people to start talk page discussions rather than directing them to remove problematic content? I thought the whole point was that we've removed the presumption of good faith and are now empowered to slash and burn
• I would reword from "consider" adding to the CCI to just "please add to the CCI", it's firmer
• The rest looks basically fine, it's a bit of a complicated process but I think that's the nature of any big endeavour like this.

♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:43, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

On your first point, MER-C has already given me new/better text (I'm iPad editing from Dr. Appt so haven't yet fixed that). Second point, will do. When I'm home ... thanks again! Do you have a strong opinion on whether I should avoid using the name Doug Coldwell in the GA subpage name? I'm hearing different opinions at GAN talk, but MER-C felt we should NOT use the name, rather a numbering system (as CCI does), as there are other Doug Coldwell's in the world, and we will be spreading that name across 200+ talk pages. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:56, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

I think it can't hurt to use the CCI approach. The account name can be mentioned within the subpage, as it is at CCI, so I think there will be minimal confusion and it will indeed be kinder to the other Doug Coldwells of the world. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 20:16, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Sounds about right ... having a name for the page will help me get this wrapped up. On it as soon as I get home. Thanks! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:19, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

DYK for The Dance of the Twisted Bull

On 2 February 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Dance of the Twisted Bull, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a model walked the runway at the Alexander McQueen show The Dance of the Twisted Bull in a flamenco dress pierced with spears? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Dance of the Twisted Bull. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, The Dance of the Twisted Bull), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hello there

Hello again! I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to say you are doing really awesome work with all of the Alexander McQueen collection, and I wish you the best of luck with the FAC for The Widows of Culloden. Unfortunately, I doubt I will be able to do a review for the FAC, but I still wanted to say congrats on all that work. I keep meaning to work on fashion articles. I just need to figure out how to better balance Wikipedia with off-Wiki projects before jumping into a completely new area. Anyway, sorry for this super random message. I hope you have a great weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 01:29, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Aoba! It's always lovely to hear from you, please never apologize for getting in touch :) No worries about the review! It's a pretty long, dense article. I appreciate you taking the time to reach out regardless, positive feedback is so rare and always welcome. If you do ever get some time and still have the interest, Illusion of Kate Moss is much shorter and will be up next, and The Dance of the Twisted Bull (also shorter and with much less dense scholarly analysis) will be up after that. Please let me know about your next GA or FAC as well, I'm happy to take a look! Cheers and hope your weekend is a good one too. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:36, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words! I will check out both articles in the future, and I would (at least hopefully) have the time to review both at the FAC stage. It is fun and rewarding in my opinion to read a longer, more dense article because I feel like I get a much richer and deeper understanding and appreciation of the subject matter. And not to sound too superficial, but I find that even just seeing the images from the shows to be incredibly inspiring. I will keep you updated for sure whenever I do another GA or FAC. Always glad to hear from you too! Aoba47 (talk) 01:52, 4 February 2023 (UTC)