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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

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Could someone please change "the son" into "a son" from this blurb's second sentence? Using the former phrasing incorrectly implies that Etika was Owuraku Amofah's only son. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 11:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

First change  Done. "died by suicide" is one of the acceptable options per MOS:SUICIDE. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 11:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I've reverted. I don't see the error and requests, especially stylistic ones, should get more than two minutes before being acted upon and more than seven minutes before being wiped from WP:ERRORS.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wehwalt: the committed suicide wording should also be restored. This terminology is not prohibited on Wikipedia, and there didn't seem a valid reason to change it given the agreed TFA and that committed suicide remains the most commonly used term for this with many editors not regarding it as problematic.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I wasn't too thrilled at the fact it was changed without discussion, but I'm not always the most up to date on language sensibilities of this day and age, so I considered that the person has a living family who might be affected by our choice of words and did the best I could with it. Floqenbeam, you made the edit, thoughts?--Wehwalt (talk) 12:53, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, Floquenbeam--Wehwalt (talk) 12:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I changed it because (a) sensibilities are evolving, and this usage is becoming more common, (b) I freely admit that rewording might not be a benefit, but I am positive there is no cost, (c) because unlike the article, the blurb will be seen by lots of people who have not "opted in", as it were, to reading about a subject who killed themselves, so some minor rewording to ease any stress is reasonable and (d) (least important for me, but most important for others, maybe) a look at the references of this section of the article show no sources using "committed". The fact that a wording is not prohibited doesn't mean it's required. Floquenbeam (talk) 13:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

The fact that the wording is not prohibited means you should not change it without a good reason. And your reason above isn't good, because the community expressly voted on this issue in the 2021 RFC and others before it. Most people do not regard committed suicide as problematic, and it is far and away the common way to refer to this.[1] Euphemisms such as "died by suicide" are also acceptable according to MOS:SUICIDE, but the community has expressed no opinion that we should always change to that.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Some people regard "committed suicide" as problematic, and no people regard "died by suicide" as problematic. I think my reasons above (plural, not singular) are, actually, extremely good. I'd appreciate you addressing all 4 instead of just "your reason above isn't good". Floquenbeam (talk) 13:18, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Wrong. I regard "died by suicide" as problematic. This phrasing is inappropriate for something one does to oneself. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 14:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Died by suicide is the expected term in mental health services in the UK. Suicide isn't a crime any more, so you don't commit it. Secretlondon (talk) 16:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd also like to note that, while "died by suicide" might meet the literal definition of a "euphemism", it doesn't meet the common connotation of that word of "imprecise, vague term used to avoid more specific language". For example, this connotation is what WP:EUPHEMISM is referring to when it talks about preferring more neutral and precise terms; there's nothing non-neutral or imprecise about "died by suicide" (if anything, it is *more* so than "committed"). Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Some of us 'do find "died by suicide" problematic. It's mealy-mouthed, trivialising, and patronising. Some of us who have lost family and friends to suicide feel this way. But we don't count do we? DuncanHill (talk) 14:39, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

It's not illegal, so not something you can commit. Secretlondon (talk) 16:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

To regard "commit" as exclusive to illegal activities is to commit an error of judgement. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

"It's not illegal, so not something you can commit." is just the kind of puerile, patronising, and ignorant rubbish to which I object. And as a "reply" to my comment above it's also completely irrelevant. DuncanHill (talk) 17:02, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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