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Academic regalia of Columbia UniversityEdit

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Unclear notability. Very little in-depth independent coverage. Filetime (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Next Level MusicEdit

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Blatant WP:PROMO. Redirect repeatedly contested. Fails WP:NCORP. Related information at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Muxhi. Jalen Folf (talk) 19:49, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Columbia University commencementEdit

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Unclear notability. Very little in-depth independent coverage. Much of the independent coverage appears to be trivial to actual subject or WP:ROUTINE. Filetime (talk) 19:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kathar Basha Endra MuthuramalingamEdit

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Article about upcoming film that does not satisfy the notability guidelines for future films. Unreleased films are only notable if the article content establishes that production itself has been notable. Neither the text of this article nor the sources say anything about production except that it happened. The references are all typical advance publicity.

Reference Number	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant	Reliable	Secondary
1	news18.com	Announcement of release date of film	Yes	No	Yes	No
2	ottplay.com	Announcement of release of film	Yes	No	Yes	No
3	timesofindia.indiatimes.com	Another announcement of film, and short interview with actor	No	No	Yes	No
4	cinemaexpress.com	Another announcement of release date	Yes	No	Yes	No
5	ottplay.com	More advance publicity	Yes	No	Yes	No

This article could be unilaterally draftified, except that there is already a draft, so that the proper disposition is either to delete the article or to merge the article into the draft in draft space. The Heymann criterion is if descriptions of two reviews in reliable sources can be added before the deletion discussion is completed. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:18, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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431 (number)Edit

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As per WP:Number, and cross checking with 400 (number), this number is already listed on the list of interesting numbers in the 400s, and this article doesn't add much. While I must admit I did not go through the whole process of WP:1729, there is nothing much new added by this article to the list of numbers in the 400s that are interesting. Nerd1a4i (they/them) (talk) 18:57, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete and restore original redirect to 400 (number) per WP:TNT. There may well be interesting properties of 431 but none of the present article is salvageable. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:12, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My Everything (Owl City song)Edit

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Does not seem to meet WP:Music - the articles cited are either not reliable sources, are focused on the overall album, not the individual song, or do not constitute in-depth coverage. Even though it is a single, it seems like this should simply be merged into/redirect to the album page. Nerd1a4i (they/them) (talk) 18:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hello, I hope you don't mind if I ask but which sources do you consider no reliable? Shout4Serenity (talk) 19:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Sulehri Kashif AliEdit

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Functional decompositionEdit

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Article was deprodded without explanation, so as someone who endorsed deletion I'm copying the prod here and pinging the original nominator.

Article that begins with "In mathematics" and does does not contain any mathematics except trivia. Most of the content consists of philosophical considerations that do not seem to be supported by the numerous philosophical sources. In summary, pure original research. D.Lazard (talk) 18:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC) (proposed by @D.Lazard:)

Seconding, this is amateur pseudophilosophy which appears to be trying to derive an original theory of metaphysics. - car chasm (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Additionally I will add that in my experience the term "functional decomposition" seems to be used very broadly in technical contexts, to the extent that its appearance in reliable sources is no indication that an article can be written on it. WP:NOTDICT,WP:SYNTH,WP:OR. - car chasm (talk) 16:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete per above. Also, the article mentions uses in engineering and computer science, but this seems not to be supported by the sources. Instead, this appears as a tentative to interpret some basic tools of these fields in terms of the WP:OR philosophy of the author. D.Lazard (talk) 17:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Convert to disambiguation. This is a cross-disciplinary concept with theories present in the individual disciplines (take Polynomial decomposition for example), but which do not overarch across all disciplines, making this page WP:DICT. To WP:PRESERVE the links to this page, I suggest turning it into a disambiguation page. 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:D480:5FD5:9310:3BA4 (talk) 17:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Convert to DAB From a WP:BEFORE-style search, the concept is used in multiple fields, with secondary sources available in mechanical engineering [1], [2], software engineering [3], [4], and the aforementioned mathematical context. I haven't found any sources discussing the topic in a cross-disciplinary context, so this article trying to connect all of them is likely OR and has some synthesis. But being a notable topic in multiple fields, our readers are better served by a DAB page redirecting them to the FD context they are interested in, rather than outright deletion. If there are ever RS discussing this across disciplines, perhaps a summary-style broad-concept article would be appropriate. But for now, to get rid of the OR and synth, converting to a DAB is a reasonable approach. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 19:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Leanne CallaghanEdit

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No real notability here outside of being the first female climber to lead "Neanderthal" (a grade VII climb in Scotland), which got her one mention in a UK climbing magazine. Zero SIGCOV in any mainline RS, and she makes tiny appearances in any of the main climbing media (e.g. only logs of her doing a route) as per WP:NCLIMBER. Her climbing career is over now so her climbing notability will not improve. She would not rank as an important British female climber (like Alison Hargreaves) and has no substantive climbing notability. Aszx5000 (talk) 16:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Sarah Reed (musician)Edit

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Unsourced article about a non-notable musician. I can only ever locate coverage about people sharing this name, but nothing about this particular artist. Her profile on AllMusic can not provide any useful information to improve the article either. Fails WP:BIO. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Richard PattisonEdit

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Found this promotional climbing BLP whose refs were either all blogs (youtube and personal) or defunct trekking companies. Zero SIGCOV in either mainstream UK RS or in the main climbing media (per WP:NCLIMBER). The text is pretty promotional and mostly done by an IP who developed the BLP and then left (probably the subject). Can't see this lasting long-term in Wikipedia; he has definitely no notability as a "mountaineer" for WP Climbing. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:35, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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DNSimpleEdit

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Relies on primary sources (Company blogs, company slideshow, company announcements) and one user generated content as sources. Only found trivial mentions of the subject online. The article was nominated for speedy deletion in the first ten minutes of creation, and was declined for being "the first DNS provider to offer this capability using a custom DNS record type", a claim that wasn't backed up by any source. Considering that the creating account has only ever edited this particular article, it is highly likely to be WP:PROMO. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 15:30, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Abdulaziz Al-JalabiEdit

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Seems to fail WP:SPORTBASIC #5 according to my Arabic searches. The best that I can find are Al Sharq, a squad list mention, and Al Khaleej, which mentions him once in a list of players. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Jaya VaidhyanathanEdit

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Previously soft deleted at AfD but I still don’t see that the subject is notable. She has an impressive career but Wikipedia is not LinkedIn and a BLP can’t be based on various non notable awards, blogs and authored columns. Mccapra (talk) 08:22, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep This article has come up after un-deletion as soft delete. Moreover, it has completely changed the references and content from its previous version. There are references that claim the notability of topic. Newly added references are from reliable news article that are written independently. For me the article tone is not a resume. Passes WP:GNG. GM Nova (talk) 05:04, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The refs may be new but which of them are in-depth coverage in reliable independent sources? Mccapra (talk) 08:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete. Not meeting the criteria, "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball nor Linkedin" Citations101 (talk) 20:38, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Rafael Alun TrisambodoEdit

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Other than the crime, no in-depth coverage of this government bureaucrat. Delete as per WP:PERP, WP:BIO1E. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:52, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Imdad SabriEdit

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Can't find enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG, and can't see how they meet any of the SNGs. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:05, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Sabrina DhowreEdit

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Procedural nomination per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2023 May 1.

Prior AFD was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sabrina Dhowre Elba

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Dhowre:

United Nations/IFAD: here, here and here (written by Dhowre)
news services: Reuters
well-known magazines/publications: Time Magazine, The Independent, NBC News, Vulture, Newsweek, USA Today, The Guardian, BBC News, British Vogue, Newsweek, CBS News, Some mentions in New York Times articles
Entertainment media: Ebony Magazine, Glamour magazine (possibly), People magazine, Cosmopolitan, Dujour magazine, Entertainment Tonight, GQ, Page Six, Billboard
other media/sources: Oprah Daily, CNBC, World Economic Forum, Huff Post, Vogue (france), Global Citizen, The Arts Guild, South China Morning Post (maybe) The Times, Multiple articles in Essence magazine, Bloomberg, The Way We Wed: A Global History of Wedding Fashion (a book) Copied from DRV. Courcelles (talk) 15:08, 28 May 2023 (UTC))Reply[reply]

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Delete the sources cited are a mix of celeb gossip (and mainly about her husband, at that) and primary sources, which do not establish WP:GNG notability. I would also suggest that the title is salted (possibly along with the others, at least Sabirina Dhowre and Sabrina Dhowre Elba), as this is getting a bit disruptive. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:02, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Cumulative density functionEdit

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Is this really a valid dab page as is? Hildeoc (talk) 14:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, I'd suggest converting it to a simple redirect to Cumulative distribution function because that's almost certainly what the reader is looking for, and if it isn't, they'll find enough information there to sort themselves out. This certainly isn't necessary as a dab page as it's only pointing to two things, that are in any case so closely related that they will be referred to in each other's article. Elemimele (talk) 14:46, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Turkvision Song Contest 2016Edit

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Fails WP:GNG. Event was cancelled, and except for the organisers Turkvision themselves and Anthony Granger of Eurovoix, nobody seems to have been interested in covering it before or after it was cancelled. Alternatively, all information that might be relevant might be merged into the main article Turkvision Song Contest. The same was done with Bala Turkvision Song Contest 2016 into Bala Turkvision Song Contest. See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Azerbaijan in the Turkvision Song Contest 2016 and the deletion of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of languages in the Turkvision Song Contest. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 14:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Azerbaijan in the Turkvision Song Contest 2016Edit

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Fails WP:GNG. Except for ref #2, all refs are eurovoix.com. More generally, this is about a country's possible participation in a cancelled event. How relevant is that? See also previous AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of languages in the Turkvision Song Contest. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Tamil Maanila Kamraj CongressEdit

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Uncited orphan that has been that way since its creation in 2005. Fails to meet WP:GNG, as I was unable to find any reliable sources covering this party in the WP:BEFORE stage. Cheers! Fake scientist 8000 13:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep - whilst the party folded a while ago, and not much online trace, it was represented in the Tamil Nadu legislature, see https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/itll-be-cong-aiadmk-face-off-in-sattankulam-by-poll/articleshow/36102246.cms, https://www.rediff.com/news/report/tn/20030110.htm , https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/dmk-mla-held-for-threatening-to-kill-tmkc-leader/articleshow/36050406.cms , https://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030124/nation.htm#2 , https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/House-supports-filing-case-against-Ilamvazhuthy/articleshow/35961270.cms?from=mdr , https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/indiascope/story/20030217-dmk-mla-ilamvazhuthi-allegedly-threatens-to-kill-jayalalithaa-supporter-793312-2003-02-16 , --Soman (talk) 13:24, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Comment: Political parties must still meet WP:NORG; simply having a small handful of members in a subnational legislature is typically not sufficient. Curbon7 (talk) 17:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Question: Fake scientist 8000 in your BEFORE process did you search for local / print sources ? Jack4576 (talk) 05:16, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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List of religious ideas in fantasy fictionEdit

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WP:OR, poorly sourced, fails WP:NLIST. Similar problems are found in List of religious ideas in science fiction and List of fictional religions which likely need their own AfDs. On a side note, this list even confuses fantasy with science fiction (since it lists an example from WH40K). Pretty bad case of WP:NOTTVTROPES too. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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I can't see much merit in that article as it stands. It would need much tighter definition to be useful. The inclusion of "Good versus Evil" in its "Morality" sub-section broadens its scope to a completely impractical extent; nearly all of fictional literature deals with good versus evil at some level. In any case, morality and religion aren't the same; they overlap, but there are plenty of people and societies that have no religion and nevertheless have morals. I have much more sympathy with a List of fictional religions, because that's defined, and probably someone's written about them, and it's a useful navigational aid for readers. But if the list of religious ideas in fantasy fiction is to be kept, it needs redefinition and extensive pruning. Elemimele (talk) 14:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

01633Edit

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I can't see an justification for a Wikipedia article about this dialing code. It's almost all cited to an apparently defunct personal(?) website. I can't find any reliable independent sources about the dialing code. Sionk (talk) 21:11, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep. The last AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/0114, which bundled 01633 and some other British dialling codes) closed a few hours ago. From my experience in Canada, telephone area code changes invariably generate a lot of media coverage by reliable sources when they happen. There was a Seinfeld episode inspired by the introduction of area code 646 in Manhattan, I think. This is an example of the coverage, although it doesn't refer to Newport.this reference refers specifically to 01633. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:01, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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I was unaware of the previous Afd. But it appears the opposition was because of the bulk nomination. I see no evidence of 01633 meeting WP:GNG - the Daily Mirror article linked to above is not about 01633 and the 'Geopunk' source is just some random website. Sionk (talk) 18:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep, at least for now, because absolutely nothing has changed since the last AfD and the discussion about dialling codes in the UK as a whole is still ongoing (slowly). Thryduulf (talk) 10:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
~~Delete~~ I don't see anything particularly notable about this particular postcode. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:13, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not a postcode, and you also completely ignore the ongoing discussion about dialling codes as a set. Thryduulf (talk) 10:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Thryduulf: What discussion? Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:58, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Telecommunications#Dialling codes in the United Kingdom. Thryduulf (talk) 19:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK struck for now. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:32, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete this is not a hobby site for people obsessed with telephone numbers. Unless someone has written a non-technical document about the telephone number - unless it's done something exciting - it's not notable in Wikipedia's sense. There should be a fan-site for telephone exchanges somewhere, but this is not it. If the main exchange corresponding to a regional code got adopted into a museum, if a particular area played a big part in the development of the telephone system, and is document as such in a popular history of telephones, then it's notable. If it's just an area, with an exchange, and a history of changing its usage just like every other area, it isn't. And the sourcing of this particular code is excruciatingly bad. And, incidentally, it may well be the code for somewhere quite different outside the UK. Elemimele (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fortress of AmerikkkaEdit

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The only professional review cited by this article also appears to be the only one that exists for it. I can't find significant coverage. Guy (help! - typo?) 17:29, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Strong keep, there is the review mentioned above (and other, some that were removed just before this discussion started and one that is now on the page). There is a review/analysis in 80s Action Movies on the Cheap 284 Low Budget, High Impact Pictures (2017), p. 219 (the book comes on top of a Gg books search). At least but that is perfectly enough to show notability. And, on top of that, this film is quite important in Kaufman's career as in Louzil's; and in the production of Troma in general (as an attempt (serious or not) at dealing with a more political topic; Kaufman saying about the film: "It was about a futuristic society where everyone in the world hates America. What a preposterous idea that is! " (Produce your own damn movie!) Which makes it notable in another way.— MY, OH, MY! 20:00, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The ones that I removed were user-generated content. The one review cited by Rotten Tomatoes is from "DVDTalk", which is not a usable site - and that's the only professional review that appears to exist. The German one also looks like UGC and is in any case a directory. Inclusion in IMDB does not count for notability either.

Ask yourself this: a movie *this* bad that doesn't even get a mention in articles about bad movies? Seriously? Guy (help! - typo?) 15:49, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep based on review cited in article, and sources identified by Mushy Yank. DonaldD23 talk to me 00:37, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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PharahEdit

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When it comes to Overwatch characters, it has some sources, but mostly being written discussing the characters as gameplay elements not about the character on why they matters. Only these sources were usable [5] [6]. There's nothing more, most of them were just discussing her gameplay, thus failing WP:N. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 12:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge A good chunk of the reception section was really development info about her outfits. There's next to nothing there to support a standalone article.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Restore redirect Soulbust did not do a complete enough job demonstrating Pharah can stand alone as a character. Fails GNG. Even any Scholar hits I might find haven't really been cited by anyone. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

D R ParajuliEdit

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Lack of significant coverage, including searching in Nepali ("डिल्ली राम पराजुली"). Also does not seem to pass WP:GNG or WP:NMUSICIAN or any other relevant SNG. User:Nplz/Dilli Ram Parajuli is a slightly better version of this article but it still contains no decent sources that we can use to confer notability. In my own searches, the best source that I can find is The Peninsula, which mentions him as a winner of a raffle at Doha International Airport. Not enough for me. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:36, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Slender RisingEdit

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This nomination also includes the sequel.

The only reliable sources that have covered these two games are TouchArcade and Pocket Gamer. There has not been enough written about these games from 2013 and 2014 to warrant their two articles (WP:GNG). — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 11:27, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep - I was unable to find any additional coverage for the sequel, but Slide to Play reviewed Slender Rising, and I think it meets GNG. If nothing else can be found regarding the sequel, something about it could be merged into the article for the first game. Waxworker (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment Found this source [7]Timur9008 (talk) 16:03, May 28, 2023 (UTC)
Keep Slender Rising; Pocket Gamer, Touch Arcade and Slide to Play reviews. Merge Slender Rising 2 into it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Geetha (2022 film)Edit

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Per Wikipedia:Notability (films), the film should have a notable production or 2 notable reviews. There are these reviews: [8] although they are not notable (the second one if from a blacklisted site so I had to comment it out). There is a video review from NTV here (don't think it counts towards notability). The issue is that there is not enough (at least two) reliable reviews seven from The Times of India or 123telugu that review so many films. All the production sources just say that the film is releasing [9] [10] (from OTTplay). The issue with the second source is that a lot of the information is about other films: Earlier this year, another protege of VV Vinayak, Vassishta, debuted with the fantasy drama Bimbisara starring Kalyan Ram, Catherine Tresa and Samyuktha Menon in lead roles. The film emerged a blockbuster at the box office.
Meanwhile, VV Vinayak is gearing up for his Hindi cinema debut with the remake of Prabhas, Shriya Saran starrer Chatrapathi, originally helmed by SS Rajamouli. The latter’s father Vijayendra Prasad has reworked the story for the Hindi version. Bellamkonda Sai Sreenivas and Nushrat Barucha are the leads in the untitled film that’s expected to hit screens later this year or early 2023.

A Google search brings up nothing. DareshMohan (talk) 09:53, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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delete No Notable reviews found.Does not meet Wikipedia:Notability (films) --Monhiroe (talk) 19:20, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Aaron LewickiEdit

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Very blatant failure of WP:GNG, a web search reveals one (1) "passable" secondary source. I'd love to pretend this guy meets WP:NHOCKEY based on winning rookie of the year in the CHL, but I don't have the heart for that. IceBergYYC (talk) 10:13, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete: Good grief; we're talking an undistinguished college player who played just two professional seasons, most in the low minors. Complete failure of the GNG and of NHOCKEY. (Unsurprising that this is another of Dolovis' old page creations.) Ravenswing 17:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep- I found this [11][12][13] and also awarded withTerry Flanagan Memorial Award see[14]and also winner of Hobey Baker Award see[15]Epcc12345 (talk) 06:48, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
He did not win the Hobey Baker, if you read the source you linked in [5] you would see it is talking about him being presented with the Terry Flanagan. Reference [4] is directly from his school, and does not build notability. Number [3] is from oursportscentral, which is a website that amalgamates publications directly from sports teams, in that sources case, being a news release from his ECHL team the Reading Royals, (again not building notability). Source [2] is the one I found and mentioned in my original AfD statement, its passable. Clicking on the authors name for [1] shows that the author is a paid employee of the college lewicki played for, again likely not applicable for building notability. And so we are back at 1 usable source. IceBergYYC (talk) 07:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

With that, neither winning this Flanagan award nor being a Baker finalist satisfies any notability criteria. Ravenswing 17:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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FararuEdit

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It does not have two criteria of web Notability: WP:WEBCRIT Sunfyre (talk) 10:25, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Comment. The nominator misinterpreted the WP:WEBCRIT guideline as and (instead of or) making the WP:BEFORE unclear. I read the lede incorrectly. But the WP:BEFORE is still unclear.2001:48F8:3004:FC4:D480:5FD5:9310:3BA4 (talk) 17:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Weak delete. Though the website seems to be a popular news outlet in Iran, English-language web search reveals little to no in-depth coverage. 2001:48F8:3004:FC4:D480:5FD5:9310:3BA4 (talk) 17:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Joseph YagilEdit

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No in-depth, third-party coverage. Written as an advertisement. MrGnocci (talk) 10:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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List of Pingu home video releasesEdit

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Unsourced and appears to have been ever since creation fifteen years ago. Also WP:NOTCATALOGUE and WP:NOTIINFO, it's not the job of Wikipedia to list every single home video release that can ever be purchased. Ajf773 (talk) 10:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete catalog cruft Dronebogus (talk) 11:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Women's Party (Turkey)Edit

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Does not pass WP:GNG. Kadı Message 08:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Leaning redirect to List of political parties in Turkey - I have not found much in-depth coverage; e.g. Daily Sabah (2019); Jerualem Post (2022), Women's UN Report Network (2014), Cumhuriyet (2023); Artı Gerçek (2023). Beccaynr (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep as inherently encyclopedic content. Topics like this is what we are here for, people. I favor the lowest of all low bars for articles on political parties, their leaders, and their youth sections. Carrite (talk) 10:09, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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James Scott (criminal)Edit

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This is a proposal to either delete this article with relevant content merged to Great Flood of 1993, or rename/refactor it to focus on the event. Any option would bring the content into alignment with WP:BIO1E and WP:PSEUDO, as all of the sources about Scott discuss him in the context of the flood. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:37, 6 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep. Unusual case with sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:27, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep James Scott has engendered considerable press coverage over the years and is considered by many to have been unjustly imprisoned. The article about the Great Flood of 1993 covers very different material than the article about James Scott. More recent article about James Scott also cover things other than the flood, such as his behavior in prison and efforts to free him.

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Keep: per the reasons provided by Necrothesp and SONORAMA Jack4576 (talk) 07:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep: I agree with the users before me. Additionally, I suspect that Scott will soon be a topic of media sensation regarding the alleged misconduct of the prosecution, like we saw after the airing of "Making a murderer". Xwedodah (talk) 05:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge with the main Great Flood article, with a subsection for Scott's biography where relevant. Has no relevance outside the Great Flood ~~ Cliffordben1994 (talk) 23:19, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge into the main Great Flood article. Although it has the sourcing to be a notable page, it runs foul of WP:BLP1E and would likely be more informative as a part of that article. JML1148 (Talk | Contribs) 02:04, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merge into the main Great Flood article per all editors involved. CastJared (talk) 14:31, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It’s important for America to be taught about this. It happened, he existed, did he cause the floods? Idk. This will still be taught in our history books, why are we trying to erase it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:281:D680:7E80:E050:CA2B:39A4:FCA3 (talk) 06:07, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Merge slimmed down and properly sourced content into the main flood article. Article is a clearly a BLP1E. Keep votes provided no sources showing this was anything other than a BLP1E. // Timothy :: talk 17:06, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - This is not BLP1E, which would be something random like the winner of a lottery or a random contest. Subject is the subject of a full length book cited in the footnotes, for cripe's sakes! Clear GNG pass. Carrite (talk) 15:11, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep; there is substantial source material, per Carrite, and the scope of the flood article is far larger than the smaller catastrophe this individual was convicted for; a merge would thus create a due weight problem in the proposed target. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Clive RamaciottiEdit

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Fails WP:BIO for lack of coverage. He appears to be famous for setting up "Clive and Vera Ramaciotti Foundation" but that just redirects to his sister's article. LibStar (talk) 06:48, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete. Agree, especially given some reference is made to him on his sister's page. Delete per nom, fails WP:ANYBIO. Cabrils (talk) 12:29, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep or Merge: Yet again, LibStar nominates an article for deletion without considering first whether a merge might be the more appropriate outcome; and being wilfully blind to local cultural context in evaluating sources (as per discussion below with SproulesLane) Jack4576 (talk) 07:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Where are the sources to establish notability? I did a search so "being wilfully blind to local cultural context" is wrong. LibStar (talk) 09:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

KEEP or at very least MERGE with Vera Ramaciotti or create a Ramaciotti Family article as they are one of the most extraordinary philanthropic families in Australian history. They are fascinating given their non-Anglo background at a time when Sydney and the whole of the country was very “White Bread”.

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How does he meet notability guidelines? LibStar (talk) 03:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Google Clive and Vera Ramaciotti and see that they have funded close to $100 million to biomedical research alone and I think you have your answer. I’m happy to merge them and list it under the name of the foundation if editors think I should but I’m certainly not going to go to the trouble if others end up deleting the article. SproulesLane (talk) 04:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please provide actual sources. LibStar (talk) 04:25, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Move to Clive and Vera Ramaciotti Foundation: Fails GNG and BIO, but there appears to be enough SIGCOV in ProQuest to support an article about the foundation and enough refs to support sections for the founders, Vera Ramaciotti can also be moved here. The end result will be a solid article, but there are not sources to support two stand alone bios. // Timothy :: talk 04:23, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete. None of the cited sources are enough to pass WP:BIO, and no other sufficient coverage can be found. If Clive and Vera Ramaciotti Foundation is actually a stand alone article, I'll vote for redirect, but before that article is created, deletion seem to be the only viable option. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Helianthus annuus 'Russian Giant'Edit

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Absolutely nothing to indicate why this particular cultivar is notable. TheLongTone (talk) 12:08, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Ive seen three or more sources naming this topic, isnt this is notable? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 20:15, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ive changed my mind, this can all be deduced to Helianthus_annuus. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 07:41, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete; merge any useful information into the species article at Helianthus annuus. We don't want articles on every cultivar. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:15, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I understand. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 00:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep. There are enough references that make me think that this is a reasonably popular cultivar. I haven't found a reference that explicitly says so, though. I agree that we don't need to list every cultivar, but this one seems notable enough. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 14:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not at all convinced that what seem entirely run of the mill coverage confers notability. I would have thought that if it is worth mentioning the place would be in a section on cultivars in the article on the appropriate species. Which does not have a page. Surely a species is inherently more notable than a cultivar?TheLongTone (talk) 15:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TheLongToneIt has sources about the cultivar, I would say that this is notable. I'm puzzled about what you are trying to say here, and why you have WP:AFD this in the first place. If you think this is not notable, I would be more than happy to hear your reason, but I would prefer a conclusion. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 01:26, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment. Because common names are preferred for article titles, Helianthus annuus is a redirect to Common sunflower. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 16:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Do I hear a whirring noise coming from Linnaeus' grave? What happens when (as is very common) a plant has a number of common names? Not that it makes any difference, this is a really dumb preference, since the Latin name much more informative, not only grouping related species together but also often telling one something about the plant itself.TheLongTone (talk) 14:22, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@TheLongTone So what is your conclusion? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 01:23, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Redirect. In assessing cultivars, we need to look at whether that particular cultivar has a significance beyond the species as a whole, and the species as a whole has a significance irrelevant to the cultivar. For example, King Edward potatoes have a history, culture, and literature beyond a normal potato, but the normal potato itself goes way beyond the King Edward, so they both have their own articles. Landsberg erecta doesn't need its own article because although a lot has been written about it, it's only as a major cultivar of Arabidopsis thaliana used in plant science, which is the major application of Arabidopsis itself, so Landsberg erecta and Arabidopsis thaliana have little independence from one another and can be treated together. The bar for making a cultivar independently notable should be quite high. This one doesn't meet it. Elemimele (talk) 17:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Elemimele Doesnt it have three sources about it though? Or does it have to be significantly broad topic from its species to warrant its own article? BloxyColaSweet (talk) 01:22, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep. There are sources about this cultivar with reasonable sources to warrant its own article. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 01:28, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment I see plenty of references that establish that this cultivar exists. I do not see a single one that serves in any way to establish notability. Even those that are not merely listings on websites offering seeds for sale (ie the RHS and the BBC Gardener's World look to me like purely run of the mill coverage. I have no idea how many commercially available sunflower cultivars exist; I am sure that they are legion. What makes this one worthy of particular notice? There is nothing whatsoever in the article to suggest it is remarkable. Certainly susceptibility to slug damage is not in any way uncommon. TheLongTone (talk) 12:26, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment this is probably the most notable sunflower cultivar; it's one of two cultivars mentioned on the history page of the National Sunflower Association. This is the variety that was developed as an oilseed crop in Russia, and brought back to North America in the 19th century. Most (all?) modern oilseed sunflowers have this in their ancestry. But it's not clear what to call it; the National Sunflower Association calls it 'Mammoth Russian', and it's "Mammoth Russian" or "Giant Russian" here and you can also find it as "Russian Giant" or "Russian Mammoth". There is no International Cultivar Registration Authority for Helianthus, so it is difficult to determine which name is correct. Plantdrew (talk) 19:36, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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I've already !voted so I'm not re-voting. But I think Plantdrew has made the strongest argument for keeping. But the history page describes the breeding history of the sunflower in general, and doesn't really get very specific about exact cultivars and genetics, and if we haven't got a clearly-defined name, there's always the risk that we'll be talking about different things. I still feel it would be best to put the information about its Russian heritage in history section of Common sunflower which will give it much better context for our readers. The fact it's referenced in seed-catalogues and analogous sites is no more an indicator of notability than the fact that a book is available on Amazon, Waterstones and Abe books etc. Elemimele (talk) 15:21, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Jennifer AndersonEdit

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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. No significant coverage to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 05:44, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Comment. Being listed in a selective biographical dictionary such as Who's Who (the original one, published in the U.K.) is an argument in favor of notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:55, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I thought the relevant dictionary was Dictionary of National Biography. LibStar (talk) 05:57, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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Weak keep: has received coverage in Turkey's state media and in hurriyetdailynews.com; although appears to be passing for the most part. One of the AA articles quotes her remarks at an event. Jack4576 (talk) 09:03, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've looked at the additional sources. This one and this are only 1 line mentions of Anderson. The third one isn't WP:SIGCOV as well. LibStar (talk) 06:02, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete BLP, fails GNG and BIO. Source eval:

Comments	Source
Who's Who	1. "Anderson, Jennifer Elizabeth, HM Diplomatic Service; Minister Counsellor and Deputy Head of Mission, Ankara, since 2017". Who's Who. 2012. doi:10.1093/ww/9780199540884.013.255668. ISBN 978-0-19-954088-4.
Article about an event, coverage of subject is "Jennifer Anderson, ministerial counsellor and deputy head of mission, also attended the event, " Fails SIGCOV	2. ^ "British Embassy in Turkey holds fundraiser for women, children subjected to violence – Türkiye News". Hürriyet Daily News. 23 March 2018. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
Article about an event, coverage of subject is "Jennifer Anderson, the minister counsellor and deputy head of mission, and assistant head of BESA Stuart Downing and Robert Unsworth also attended the event."	3. ^ "British Embassy in Ankara organizes fundraiser". www.aa.com.tr. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
Article about an event that quotes the subject, "Jennifer Anderson, the minister counsellor and the deputy head of mission, for her part, described their motivation as “an opportunity to celebrate women’s achievements. ... Touching the issue of “underrepresentation” of women in many areas, Anderson emphasized that it is a “global issue.”	4. ^ "British embassy in Ankara marks Int'l Women's Day". www.aa.com.tr. Retrieved 9 May 2023.
Government annoucement in paper	5. ^ "Appointments", The Times, (London, England), Wednesday 26 August 2009; pg. 55; Issue 69724
Speech at a farewell lunch for the subject	6. ^ "MOFAIC". Archived from the original on 5 March 2016. Retrieved 29 March 2015.

The above keep votes did complete BEFOREs but were not able to present any other sources for eval. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 20:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Martin RaffertyEdit

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Fails WP:BIO. Most of the entries are just passing mentions/announcements about the organization he heads. The two awards are fairly obscure, and trying to access the Gates Foundation source brings up a security warning. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:07, 1 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep. The Bill Gates Foundation article can be accessed in Archive.org here and mentions him 5 times. Daily Emerald mentions him 4 times. KLCC mentions him 3 times. KVALL mentions him 14 times. BTW, I found several other articles in Google news that mention him. Hence these are not all passing mentions, so he meets WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC.Hkkingg (talk) 06:49, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reply. Other than the Gates Foundation, the rest are passing mentions in articles about the organization he founded. The KVAL article is the best of the lot, but that is only coverage by a local TV station about the organization and the "mentions" are mostly things he says and claims. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:18, 9 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep. I support keeping it as there is enough news coverage to meet notability. Pershkoviski (talk) 20:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete. Out of all the currently cited sources, only source 9 constitutes significant coverage, with the rest being trivial mentions or lists as recipients of some minor awards. The sole article by Clackamas Review isn't really enough to support the entire article. Searches of the name "Martin Rafferty" yields more results about an Irish businessman than the American activist. Fails WP:GNG. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 03:08, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep: compatriots, I submit this humble plea. Let us not disregard the 9th source. A veritable testament to Mr. Rafferty's public significance, it combines with preceding citations to form a robust mosaic of notability. Assembled together, they satisfy our stringent guidelines. To cast this article into oblivion would be a transgression against truth and a slight to the purpose of our noble enterprise. Jack4576 (talk) 09:34, 16 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Move: BLP, Fails GNG and BIO. These refs [16], [17] do have brief info about the subject but not enough to satisfy SIGCOV. The remaining refs are about the org, Youth ERA, which would pass N. BEFORE showed refs about the org, but nothing SIGCOV about the subject. Move the article to Youth ERA and change it into an article about the org with a section and redirect about the subject. // Timothy :: talk 04:08, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Hilary BeirneEdit

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While there are some mentions of them, not enough in-depth coverage of them to pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 09:59, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep: Dear Onel5969, permit me to present an alternate vista upon this rich panorama of sources. The array of evidence available, I argue, draws a vivid portrait of our subject that fulfills, if not surpasses, the parameters of WP:SIGCOV.

Reflect, if you will, upon the sheer diversity of contexts in which our subject appears. From being the voice of authority as a parade administrator, to sharing personal insights in a magazine interview, his presence permeates a wide spectrum of discourse.

Furthermore, his inclusion in a political committee carries weight, especially when the announcement of such is is accompanied by a profile and direct quotes - an indication of his significance within the milieu

Similarly, the honoring by the Westchester County board of legislators and the Aisling Irish Community Centre of New York are not mere passing platitudes, but substantive statements describing a community's recognition of his achievements. Such accolades do not find their way to individuals of ordinary standing, but to those who have made substantial impact.

Consider, too, the quality of the sources. The Irish Times, a publication of undisputed credibility, deemed our subject's views valuable enough to include in a discussion of national import. This is not the mark of an individual of passing interest, but rather of one whose insights hold weight.

Esteemed colleague, upon a comprehensive and fair evaluation of the sources at hand, it is my conviction that they provide the 'significant coverage' required by our revered guidelines. The collective breadth, depth, and diversity of these sources underscore the subject's noteworthy influence and contributions in his sphere, thereby affirming his rightful place in the annals of Wikipedia. I propose that the evidence at hand is a testament to our subject's multifaceted significance.

His influence and the recognition he's earned, coupled with the breadth and depth of coverage across a range of reputable sources, come together to advocate strongly for his retention within our compendium. It is my belief that his journey and contributions warrant our attention, and that his tale should remain within Wikipedia's archives, for the edification of all who seek knowledge. Jack4576 (talk) 11:25, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merge/redirect to New York City St. Patrick's Day Parade. While Jack4576 has offered a lengthy opinion above, my own review of the sources (in the article and found elsewhere following a WP:BEFORE) indicate that much of the subject's notability relates primarily to his connection with the NYC parade/committee. Otherwise, apart from local/regional sources (like the Roscommon Herald and Sligo Champion pieces) most of the sources are either press releases, interviews, and opinion pieces written by the subject (and therefore not independent). Or are mentions by/about the subject in news pieces which are substantively about something else. A redirect (as an WP:ATD) seems reasonable in this sceanrio... Guliolopez (talk) 13:50, 15 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete Fails GNG, not notable.

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Robert Smith-DorrienEdit

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Justice of the Peace and militia lieutenant colonel do not confer notability. Sources are inadequate. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:20, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep for now. I'm fairly confident that additional offline sources exist for the subject, but I am fully aware of WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES, and so while I'm not in the position to find offline sources about the subject to prove my assertion, I've emailed the Berkhamsted Local History and Museum Society to ask if they have any offline sources about him. I will update once I receive a response from them, which hopefully should be soon. If I'm wrong about the existence of additional sources, then I would support a merge to a relevant article about the Smith/Dorrien-Smith/Smith-Dorrien family. HenryTemplo (talk) 15:36, 14 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
So BLH&MS got back to me, and they've informed me that at least two articles exist which discuss Robert Smith-Dorrien, one by Ken Wallis in the magazine Chronicle VIII, and another about a Mrs Mary Anne Smith-Dorrien (not sure what the publication was, but I think it was Chronicle as well). Beyond that, they've said that sources are limited. I'm sticking with my keep !vote for now (obviously, I'm the article creator!) due to the existence of those 2 sources plus the ones already cited on the article, but I do think we've found ourselves in a strange situation, where we know that sources exist, but I don't have access to them (You can buy past copies of the Chronicle on their website, but I'm not in a position to do that). What does everyone else think? HenryTemplo (talk) 12:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm trying to get an impression of the offline sources you mentioned. What is "Chronicle VIII" magazine and who is/was Ken Wallis please? Google searches are coming up with hits but they don't seem of obvious relevance. Rupples (talk) 04:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A link to the page on the BLH&MS website for the Chronicle magazine: [18]. Ken Wallis appears to be a member of the society’s committee, beyond that, I’m afraid I don’t know anything about him ([19]). Hope this helps! HenryTemplo (talk) 06:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep There are several lengthy obituaries accessible through Newspapers.com. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 04:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Neutral. There's an obituary and coverage of his funeral in the Hertfordshire Mercury. He seems to have been highly thought of and respected locally and by his military connections. There are mentions of the amount left in his will in local newspapers in other areas where he had family. Some of his family connections are clearly notable.

The local history society sources I take to be reliable. There doesn't appear to be anything in Wikipedia notabilty policy placing restrictions on writing articles about people where coverage is limited to local sources. The relevant guideline is WP:BASIC or the GNG as he doesn't appear to fall under any of the additional criteria in Wikipedia:Notability (people). Also, Wikipedia considers the enduring notability of persons WP:NOTNEWS and he is remembered by local historians.

I'm not getting a sense of notability from the subject's lead paragraph as to achievement or why he should be remembered beyond Berkhamstead, but maybe that's not relevant. Don't see any deciding factor to keep or delete but what sources there are seem limited. If not kept as a separate article, aspects of his life could be covered within articles on his more notable relatives. Rupples (talk) 16:13, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Stavros Georgiou (footballer, born 2004)Edit

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Was previously sent to draft at Draft:Stavros Georgiou (footballer, born 2004) and then submitted and declined with no improvement. This current version also doesn't address the issues and the subject still looks to fall short of WP:SPORTBASIC #5. The best sources that I could find in Greek were Alpha News, a copy and paste of a contract renewal press release issued by his employer, APOEL. Sport FM is also the same thing as above. Thema Sports mentions him in an under-19 match report, commenting that he scored 3 goals but the article does not address Georgiou in enough detail to build a meaningful biography. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
i have managed to find the uefa game apoel kyzylzhar 1-0 in which stavros georgiou played in which i think prooves his notability what do you think? Demetrissss (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not a chance as the source does not address Georgiou directly and in detail. We can't build a biography from it. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:04, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment No Greek sources? APOEL is a big club, I would have assumed there should be better sources to add. Govvy (talk) 17:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ioannis TsoutsoukiEdit

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Declined a few times at Draft:Ioannis Tsoutsouki and this current version is no improvement. No evidence of WP:GNG or even the low bar of WP:SPORTBASIC #5 when searching in Greek (Ιωάννης Τσουτσούκης or Ιωάννης Τσουτσούκη). Phile News mentions him twice in an article based on an Instagram post from his employer. Sigma Live mentions him once, commenting that he has debuted. Kerkida (translated) mentions that he scored 4 goals in an under-19 fixture, without adding any further depth at all. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Asian Jake PaulEdit

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The content here that is actually sourced to usable sources (Newsweek and The Daily Dot, both situational, and Billboard's charts listing) is already covered on iDubbbz and RiceGum. This does not need its own page. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 08:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Mikhail KomelkovEdit

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WP:1E, low notability. -Lemonaka‎ 07:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep WP:1E does not apply to this article, he is not notable for a single event, but for earning the title, Hero of the Soviet Union and fighting in numerous air battles. Through a quick search on Google Books, I found he is mentioned in the following sources [20][21][22]. He is also mentioned in this webpage about the P-39 Airacobra in the USSR, [23]. There are also some sources on the Russian Wikipedia article about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoldenBootWizard276 (talk • contribs) 08:35, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep. The Russian Wikipedia article mentions entries on the subject in this biographical dictionary and this history. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 15:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Leonel López CortezEdit

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Soccer executive who fails GNG. Article is basically just a résumé. BlameRuiner (talk) 07:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:33, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Trevor Jacob plane crashEdit

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Insufficient standalone notability. Although the NTSB report has not been issued as I write this, given what we know already, it's clear that the crash was caused entirely by the actions of the pilot; the airplane, the ATC system, FAA regulations, and so forth had little or nothing to do with it. Thus, discussion of the crash boils down to the actions of the man, which belong in the Trevor Jacob article. Most content of this article duplicates that article already, and the remainder can easily be merged with it. Carguychris (talk) 19:11, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Having the separate page allows for more detailed discussion of the incident than a profile page, especially for someone like Trevor Jacob who is also notable for other reasons. There will naturally be info about the incident on Jacob's page, but having a page specifically for the incident allows for more liberty to expand the page as needed. The incident is also very well covered, including by a wide range of very-well-known national news organizations, suggesting that the event is particularly notable even outside of aviation and is worth more than just a subsection on another page. Slowtationjet (talk) 19:17, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll note that the article about the crash itself is almost as long as Trevor Jacob's personal page. I feel like this proves that it's worth having a dedicated space to expand more upon the crash itself and use Jacob's personal page to flesh out all of his escapades, including other things such as his snowboarding career.Slowtationjet (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

...[this page] is almost as long as Trevor Jacob's personal page.
— User:Slowtationjet

Both pages are relatively short by recent BLP standards, and this page is almost as long as Jacob's personal page mainly because it delves into minor details such as the strap-on fire extinguisher and altimeter. Almost all of the important facts are duplicated, and adding all the minor ones to his personal page would only lengthen it by a few sentences. Cheers. Carguychris (talk) 20:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep Article has substantial independent news from reliable sources: see [24], [25], [26], and even here. Cheers, atque supra! Fake scientist 8000 19:27, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

it also has the same number of notable independent sources Slowtationjet (talk) 19:25, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All of those sources extensively discuss Trevor Jacob the YouTuber, the strange things he did, and the controversial video he posted. I have yet to see a single article or video about this crash that doesn't discuss these things. It's effectively impossible to disentangle the plane crash from his actions, which is why I think this page is a textbook example of WP:CFORK and should be merged. Carguychris (talk) 20:38, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge back any (minimal) added value and Delete per nom. The parent page on Trevor Jacobs is sufficient to say all that is worth saying. It has been around since 2014 and is never going to get much bigger. Forking 90% of it just adds a pointless click-through for the reader. — Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 19:34, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merge and Delete - this is a clear WP:CONTENTFORK and just duplicates the information at Trevor Jacob. At this point in time there seem to be little that is expected to develop in the story beyond his sentencing and so the two articles are unlikely to diverge. - Ahunt (talk) 20:17, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Speedy merge and delete Absolutely no reason this needed to be created as a separate duplicative article. Reywas92^Talk 14:17, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Merge and delete. Entirely unnecessary duplication of content which can be placed in more context by the biography. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:53, 19 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep - per precedent that aviation accidents that involve the death of Wikinotable people can sustain stand-alone articles. Mjroots (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nobody died. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, not applicable in this case as there was no death involved. - Ahunt (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep – I'm adding additional sources to the article. it's overly notable as its own article. it's covered widely and has received significant international attention. as much as Jacob's personal page mentions the crash, the fact remains that this incident is incredibly notable in its own right and deserves its own space to be discussed in the amount of depth that a dedicated page provides. Slowtationjet (talk) 14:43, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment - the issue with this article is not a lack of references, it is that it is a WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Adding even more refs won't address that problem. - Ahunt (talk) 15:27, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To add to that, Jacob's career as a YouTuber is central to the whole incident. A career much better discussed in a biography, were the broader context for the crash becomes clear. There is absolutely nothing in Wikipedia policy that mandates having a separate article for a 'notable incident' that only occurred because someone was trying to boost their Wikipedia-notable career. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:58, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This 2013 nonfatal general aviation accident used to have a Wikipedia article with plenty of references, yet the article was AfD'd. General consensus in the Wikipedia aviation community is that nonfatal general aviation crashes are not notable on a standalone basis unless the event somehow affects aviation as a whole, and even then, the bar is pretty high if there's another logical place to summarize what happened—such as the biography article about the Wikinotable pilot, who by all accounts is entirely at fault, for reasons that can be summarized in a few sentences. Carguychris (talk) 16:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Merge and delete per Ahunt's !vote above. CONTENTFORK that has no reason to exist. The plane crash is relevant to the Trevor Jacob article and should be merged there. Nythar (💬-🍀) 04:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The intention of 'merge and delete' seems clear to me. What exactly is the problem? AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Since I first used then term here, to clarify, "merge and delete" means first take any useful content from this article that is not already at Trevor Jacob and add it there, then delete this article, as it is not really needed as a redirect. - Ahunt (talk) 12:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yup, I can't really see what else it could mean. Functionally the same as 'merge', except in as much as it avoids the sort of silly arguments I've seen occasionally where people claim that a 'merge' !vote isn't support for deletion. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:08, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Guy ScheimanEdit

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Non-notable independent musician. Doesn't meet WP:GNG. US-Verified (talk) 06:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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WEBU-LDEdit

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Fails WP:GNG as a diginet pass-through. Most recent edits were by User:Whcq, which proves WP:COI. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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WHCQ-LDEdit

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Fails WP:GNG. Most recent edits were by User:Whcq, which proves WP:COI. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 04:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Jan Schust (founder)Edit

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Non-notable affiliate marketer. For more background: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheWikiholic. Also, it has some UPE history US-Verified (talk) 04:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Christel QuekEdit

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Fails WP:GNG. Non-notable "technology entrepreneur". Falls short of WP:SIGCOV. For more background: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheWikiholic. US-Verified (talk) 04:46, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Bolt (social network)Edit

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Fails WP:NCORP. Regular blockchain news reports. Falls short of WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:SIRS. For more background: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheWikiholic. US-Verified (talk) 04:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Emmanuel DanielEdit

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Non-notable "entrepreneur, author and top influencer." Fails WP:GNG. US-Verified (talk) 04:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Bryan BattleEdit

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Subject is a mixed martial arts fighter. Subject fails GNG as fight announcements and fight results sources are merely routine reports Subject also fails WP:NMMA for not ranked top ten in the world. As present he ranked 131 in welterweight. Cassiopeia talk 04:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Tresean GoreEdit

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Subject is a mixed martial arts fighter. Subject fails GNG as fight announcements and fight results sources are merely routine reports Subject also fails WP:NMMA for not ranked top ten in the world. As present he ranked #336 in middleweight. Cassiopeia talk 04:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Jim Almgren GândaraEdit

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Doesn't meet GNG Nswix (talk) 03:50, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Japan Time (TV series)Edit

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Fails WP:GNG. WP:BEFORE searches fail to find any sources to back up notability. Cheers! Fake scientist 8000 23:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Japanese sources:
  1. "「秋田犬ふれあいライン」PR. 香港、台湾から誘客へ" ["Akita dog contact line" PR. Attracting customers from Hong Kong and Taiwan]. Hokuroku Shimbun [ja] (in Japanese). 2016-12-22. Archived from the original on 2023-05-11. Retrieved 2023-05-11.
    The article notes from Google Translate: "In order to promote the Akita Inu Fureai Line," a sightseeing route centered on the northern region, and to attract inbound tourists (foreign visitors to Japan), filming by a Hong Kong program production company and a well-known Taiwanese blogger was held in the region. The group covered the food and culture of each region, with a focus on Akita dogs, and is scheduled to be broadcast on TV programs in Hong Kong and on subway stations in Taiwan from next year. ... The Hong Kong film crew is local's Japanese travel program "Go! Japan ... The Hong Kong program is about 25 minutes long and will be broadcast four times from January 28, 2010.""
  2. Chiba, Sonoko 千葉園子 (December 2022). "香港、台湾で秋田犬PR. CNAなどが県内ロケ" [Akita Inu PR in Hong Kong and Taiwan. CNA and other locations in the prefecture]. Akita Sakigake Shimpō (in Japanese). Archived from the original on 2023-05-11. Retrieved 2023-05-11.
    The article notes from Google Translate: "From Hong Kong, will be able to produce it together with the popular Japanese travel crew. The route connecting Kosaka town is seen in the travel program "Go! Japan", which promotes Akita in Hong Kong and Taiwan, so it will be a work that is directly linked to attracting customers. ... On this day, the Hong Kong film crew moved to Kakunodate Station (Senboku City) on the Akita Nairiku Jukan Railway. ... The program will be broadcast in four parts in Hong Kong from the end of next month. The duration of one broadcast is approximately 25 minutes."
  3. "鉄道観光もいかが香港番組が本県入り" [How about railroad sightseeing? Hong Kong program enters the prefecture]. Mutsu Shinpo [ja] (in Japanese). 2016-07-09. Archived from the original on 2023-05-11. Retrieved 2023-05-11.
2. Hong Kong sources:
  1. Wong, Kei-wan 王奇雲 (2014-09-22). "影心口節目" [Filming words and thoughts program]. am730 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-05-11. Retrieved 2023-05-11.
    The article notes from Google Translate: "Some people say that I have been targeting Asia Television all the time, and I am extremely cynical about their programs. In fact, I am wronged. I am only "right on the matter and not on the station". If there is a good program, I will approve it and introduce it. For example, last Saturday in the evening, when I was having dinner at home, I was attracted by one of their travel programs. You must watch it and turn it on. The program is called Japan Time! There are two program hosts: the Japanese girl Rie and the Hong Kong boy Jam. They can't be said to be pretty boys and girls, but they are fun and entertaining. They speak Cantonese and Japanese at the same time. In that episode, they introduced the filming location of the Japanese drama "Ama" in "Kuji" city. I saw the class boss Qinghai girl diving into the water to collect sea urchins. I really drool. Yes, yes, I drool over the sea urchin , not those divers. The original program started broadcasting in 2005 and was broadcast on International Channel Hong Kong and Taiwan rebroadcast. Look at the layout, it seems to be outsourced, bridge construction, production, post-production by production company kick , TV station should not pay money , at any time The advertising fee will be added! The "Japan Tourism Bureau" and the airline are behind the program Sponsorship without big star spending , so there is a long shot, but it is a pity that there was no Who knows, right now they have made more than 400 episodes..."
  2. Leung, Sammy (2014). "亞視將亡確感可惜" [It's a pity that ATV will die]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-05-11. Retrieved 2023-05-11.
    The column notes: "而隨後的《日語大放送就是簡單有趣的日本旅遊誌,雖然它介紹的地點有些我們未必會去,但兩位主持 Rie 和 Jam 相當風趣幽默，有時又會在日文當中夾雜一、兩句廣東話，既親切又地道。若然亞視真要完結，我最捨不得的應該是這兩個節目了。"
    From Google Translate: "And the subsequent "Japanese Big Show" is a simple and interesting Japanese travel journal. Although it introduces some places that we may not go to, the two hosts, Rie and Jam, are quite humorous, and sometimes they will include a sentence or two of Cantonese in Japanese. The words are both kind and authentic. If ATV is really going to end, these two programs should be the ones I'm most reluctant to part with."
  3. Wong, Git-ling 黃潔玲 (2014-03-05). Lee, Oi-ming 李藹明 (ed.). "一家去旅行：放任假期童玩「野」大自然就是遊樂場" [Traveling as a family: letting go of the holidays. Children play "wild". Nature is playground]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2023-05-11. Retrieved 2023-05-11.
    The article notes: "香港製作的日語旅遊節目《日語大放送》，自2005年起播放至今，雖然在亞視播放，節目卻一直不乏支持者，更是香港史上最長壽的旅遊節目。邱忠業（Jam）是主持之一，節目中他與拍檔以日語和廣東話，鬼馬地介紹日本許多好玩地方；"
    From Google Translate: "Hong Kong-produced Japanese-language travel program "Japanese Broadcasting" has been broadcast since 2005. Although it is aired on ATV, the program has always had a lot of supporters, and it is the longest-running travel program in Hong Kong's history. Qiu Zhongye (Jam) is one of the hosts. In the show, he and his partner introduce many interesting places in Japan in Japanese and Cantonese."
  4. Long, C (2018-06-26). "【日本人在香港】在港藝人理惠的兩個家" [[Japanese in Hong Kong] The two homes of artiste Rie in Hong Kong]. Metro Pop [zh] (in Chinese). Metro International. Archived from the original on 2023-05-11. Retrieved 2023-05-11.
    The article notes: "因為主持電視節目《日本大放送》而深入民心的理惠（Rie）"
    From Google Translate: "Rie, who is deeply rooted in the hearts of the people because of hosting the TV show "Japan Time""
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Japan Time (Chinese: Go! Japan TV 日本大放送), formerly known as (Chinese: 日語大放送), to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:01, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Strong Keep: per Cunard's work Jack4576 (talk) 11:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment Twitter can not be used as a source. Two of the other sources appear to be from blogs. Another is a travel piece but I can't tell if it's about the subject or not, the translation is kind of difficult. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 03:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My understanding is that Twitter can be used as a source where appropriate. Nevertheless, it is not the only source being relied upon here. The use of blogs is also fine if consensus can be reached that the usage is appropriate. Jack4576 (talk) 04:12, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In no circumstance is a tweet an indicator of notability (WP:TWITTER covers the very limited usages of them). These tweets are photos of newspapers, and the newspaper articles themselves might be valid sources, but it's difficult to say with the limited information provided. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 04:42, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah sorry no WP:TWITTER is pretty clear here same with blogs as per WP:BLOGS. Don't get me wrong I've used Twitter as a source but only as a last resort. An example would be in the article List of most-followed Twitch channels where I had to use Twitter as a source because there was legit nothing else out there I could find. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 07:42, 13 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Delete: The source eval above clearly shows there is not SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Mentions, promo material, interviews, do not show notability. // Timothy :: talk 04:28, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Comment: Japan Time is notable because it received substantial coverage in the Hong Kong newspaper am730 and the Japanese newspaper Mutsu Shinpo [ja]. It also received significant coverage in the Hong Kong newspapers Sing Tao Daily and Ming Pao and the Japanese newspapers Akita Sakigake Shimpō and Hokuroku Shimbun [ja]. Rie, one of the two television presenters for Japan Time, used her Livedoor blog and Twitter account to share the media coverage her television show received.
According to Ming Pao, Japan Time is "the longest-running travel program in Hong Kong's history". The actor Sammy Leung wrote in Sing Tao Daily, "Japan Time is a simple and interesting Japanese travel journal. Although it introduces some places that we may not go to, the two hosts, Rie and Jam, are quite humorous." Writing in am730, columnist Kei-wan Wong said that readers have said that he is always targeting Asia Television and being "cynical" of their programmes. He said, "I am wronged. ... If there is a good program, I will approve it and introduce it." Wong said Japan Time is that show, writing, "I was attracted by one of [Asia Television's] travel programs". He wrote that the Japan Time programme hosts Rie and Jam were "fun and entertaining", discussed its history (it began broadcasting in 2005, has 400 episodes, is broadcast in Hong Kong, and is rebroadcast in Taiwan), and discussed its layout and production and sponsors.
Cunard (talk) 06:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete: The "Keep" responses follow a common misunderstanding on Wikipedia policies and their use in AfDs with the "web search hits mention it, therefore keep". Thankfully this AfD has not been unbalanced or influenced by canvassing from outside Wikipedia or from on-wiki WikiProjects. Because AfD discussion resolution can be decided on votes and ostensible consensus, canvassing can be effective and the AfD closer may opt to go with the numbers game. I respectfully ask that the soundness of arguments made and Wikipedia policies are the focus when closing the AfD.

The one non-trivial "Keep" answer says that blogs and Twitter tweets are "independent reliable sources", which the editor had added to the article since the AfD nom was made[27]. This is an incorrect understanding of what "reliable" on Wikipedia means. Blogs and Twitter do not fit this definition. Instead the "Keep" answer shows why the article should be deleted. Assuming the sourcing were what Wikipedia deems reliable and weren't blogs, tweets, and short mentions here or there, the most in-depth coverage is a short synopsis and minor details like over 400 episodes which is not detailed or in-depth about this show which is not nearly enough for GNG. Despite the show's longevity, information and coverage is sparse. I admire the editor's effort to improve the article since the nom but it does not demonstrate the presumption of notability or why the article should be kept according to policies. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 05:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The "Keep" responses follow a common misunderstanding on Wikipedia policies and their use in AfDs with the "web search hits mention it, therefore keep". – which "keep" responses do this?
The one non-trivial "Keep" answer says that blogs and Twitter tweets are "independent reliable sources", which the editor had added to the article since the AfD nom was made[28]. – I did not say that blogs and Twitter posts are independent reliable sources. I said that the newspaper articles I added to the Wikipedia article are independent reliable sources.
I said that Japan Times received substantial coverage in the Hong Kong newspaper am730 and the Japanese newspaper Mutsu Shinpo [ja]. No one in this AfD has explained why those two newspaper articles are insufficient to establish notability.
Cunard (talk) 07:25, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Muhammad LuqmanEdit

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No evidence of notability · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 03:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delete per nom, speedy delete is also a better choice. DreamRimmer (talk) 04:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment Although it's likely that this article is going to be speedily deleted, I've noticed that the page creator has a history of creating micronation articles that are speedily deleted. Is it worth reporting at AN/I or leaving a warning on their talk page? JML1148 (talk | contribs) 04:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Speedy delete A7. Mccapra (talk) 05:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Isam al KhafajiEdit

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The article doesn't demonstrate notability nor meets the minimum bar to firstly presume inclusion per WP:BIO and WP:N. After researching more of what's out there, he is at best a minor academic and war advocate. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 02:52, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Weak keep. He is obviously a prolific commentator but in depth sourcing about him isn’t particularly easy to come by. I found 1, 2 and 3 and similar. Mccapra (talk) 05:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. I was hopeful the links would help demonstrate GNG but they do not unfortunately. They achieve the opposite effect. I assume Google Translate is not too bad for this. 1 is not a reliable source and says very little about him. Basic bio info and looks like a contributor profile. 2 is someone's blog and most of the content is condemning the US occupation of Iraq. All it says about Al-Khafaji is that he left the "occupation administration". 3 is a basic record information on a paper he wrote. At best the links tell us he exists, but do not help with GNG to presume notability and beyond that do not help make the case for notability and inclusion. Saucysalsa30 (talk) 09:21, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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SengolEdit

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Trivial topic that hugely violates WP:NRVE, since there is no pre-2023 source that describes the sceptre as anything beyond a gift presented to Nehru. Can be merged with the Indian Parliament page. SubtleChuckle (talk) 02:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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- Support to merge: Agreeing with the statement but would reject deletion.
139.5.240.112 (talk) 02:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support to Keep: I believe that deleting the article is too extreme. A simple disclaimer would be sufficient. This would allow us to keep the article open in case someone comes up with evidence that the item in question was more than just a gift presented to Nehru.

Here is an example of a disclaimer that could be added to the article:

"The following article discusses the possibility that the item in question was more than just a gift presented to Nehru. However, there is no concrete evidence to support this claim. The article is presented for informational purposes only."

By adding a disclaimer, we can keep the article open while still acknowledging the lack of concrete evidence. This would allow us to be transparent about the information that is available and to avoid making any definitive claims. Prateek23021995 (talk) 03:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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The problem is that we do not have reliable sources for the 'Background and 1947 ceremony' part, and getting rid of it would mean that 3/4 of the article is gone. If we are to keep this article, there should be no mentions of the rajaji et al story and should just be mentioned as 'XYZ claims that the sengol was ...'. SubtleChuckle (talk) 03:39, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Support to keep.The sources are reliable, even if they came from this year. Less important historical artifacts have their own articles, so there seems no reason for deletion. Jagmanst (talk) 03:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The sources are merely newspaper from 2023 quoting religious establishments and ruling party. How is that reliable? SubtleChuckle (talk) 03:39, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Its not an historic artifact. It was a gift maybe one of the hundreds or thousands received during independence. 36.255.229.7 (talk) 03:44, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are contemporary newspaper sources that confirm that Nehru was given the sceptre by religious people, perhaps one of many gifts/gestures at the time, as pointed out. The story about Mountbatton giving it to Nehru in an official ceremony looks fabricated.

The artifact seems to have been relatively unimportant one, historically (though important enough to be kept in a museum).However with the current government making it a central part of the new parliament, it has now become a significant object.

So I suggest article is re-written with accurate facts. The re-branding of an unimportant historical object/event into something more important is interesting in itself. Jagmanst (talk) 04:22, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree. The obvious 'stories' that masquerade as facts should be removed, in which case the article becomes small enough that it might well be a subsection of the parliament page.

SubtleChuckle (talk) 04:42, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep I'm seeing pretty easy WP:GNG compliance here with some of the news sources[29][30][31][32]. WP:NRVE is met from these sources, and I suspect there are some contemporary sources from around the 1947 ceremony, if that happened. There are some wiki sources that need to be replaced and a copyedit needed to smooth over the prose, but that can be fixed. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 04:35, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The news sources are merely newspaper quoting the ruling party, that isn't reliable. We need some contemporary sources that mention the event as anything beyond the gifting to Nehru, in which case we could keep it.

SubtleChuckle (talk) 04:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
...but the sources I linked don't quote the Modi government extensively? This article is pretty critical of it, saying that the 1947 ceremony claim is false. Potentially there is more sourcing to be had about this? I suspect WP:NPOV is the main issue of this article, not notability. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 04:56, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
When you get rid of the fabricated stories present in the article, (those involving Rajaji and Mountbatten), the article becomes trivial enough to be a subsection of either the Sceptre page or the new parliament page. SubtleChuckle (talk) 05:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It doesn't seem to be confirmed that the 1947 ceremony isn't real. WP:NPOV needs to be considered here. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 07:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Mountbatten was at Karachi, Pakistan on the claimed time. All the available sources (written in 40s/50s) mentions the event to be taking place at Nehru's residence which clearly proves that it was not a Official/Ceremony. It was merely a gift presented to Nehru by a religious establishment.

SubtleChuckle (talk) 07:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"And since India had decided to hold its celebrations on the midnight of August 15, it would have been impossible for Mountbatten — who was still Viceroy — to be present in both Karachi and New Delhi on the same day. Mountbatten administered the oath to Jinnah a day earlier in Karachi and then went to India."

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1160291/pakistan-created-august-14-15/

SubtleChuckle (talk) 07:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep: Satisfies WP:GNG. Covered extensively by various news agencies. Has ample WP:RS. Rasnaboy (talk) 05:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Keep: Satisfies WP:RS. Extensively covered by various Newspapers, News channels and News agencies. Satisfies WP:GNG. 67.83.187.221 (talk) 06:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC) — 67.83.187.221 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Reply[reply]

Smerge : per<SubtleChuckle> WP:NRVE No verifiable source yet (other than a news article’s unverifiable and anecdotal claims) on the authenticity of the current sceptre’s (from Allahabad Museum/Parliament) claimed lineage as being from 1947. Sengol can have a wiki entry but section on 2023 should be removed/edited to include a ‘unverified/contested’ warning. MeowMeow77 (talk) 13:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep: I believe there is sufficient SIGCOV to to keep the article. While there might be dubious claims about the origin of the sceptre, now that a Afd has been raised, the supporters of keeping the article have 7 days to find reliable proof.

To the nominator: I would suggest you now step away from the article and now let the Afd run its course. Your current edits are now bordering on edit warring and being disruptive; the supporters spend more of their edit time replacing content that you remove than actually allowing them time to firm up the article with RS sources. No need to BLUDGEON the article while it goes through the Afd process. I also make the good faith observation that your edits seem very advanced for an account of such a young age. Equine-man (talk) 07:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)