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Jordans, BuckinghamshireEdit

Apparently (although I have only just discovered this myself) in order to get the infobox to display a "dialling code" you have to use the parameter "dial_code". Confused? You should be. A full list of the valid parameters can be found at Template:Infobox UK place. Also, I've just replied to you at Talk:Stokenchurch. -- roleplayer 17:48, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

D.B. CooperEdit

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Please explain to me what "Using knowledge virtually unique to the CIA" means. Is the knowledge of how to jump out of an airplane unique? Knowledge that this was going to happen? It is a very catchy, but unclear sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scotty.tiberius (talkcontribs) 12:37, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, please sign any "contribution" and use the D. B. Cooper article Talk page. I agree the "CIA" line is unclear and requires source/reference. My own view is that the line should be deleted unless a reliable source is found. Repeating, use the article Talk page and not here. David J Johnson (talk) 12:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)


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 Chzz  ►  17:01, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Robert BlackEdit

I would say that 4 known reflects that fact there is a belief by informed sources of more victims but as yet there is no proof. Unibond (talk) 16:57, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Bristol AirportEdit

Hi David, thanks for your words of support on the Bristol talk page, it appears that the user in question's edit history, that he no longer has any issue with the edits made originally by Jamie2k9. Let's hope it remains that way. --NorthernCounties (talk) 09:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


I agree with you, let's see if it continues or the individual gets bored (hopefully!) Cj1340 (talk) 16:52, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your input and take care. Best regards, Ddavid David J Johnson (talk) 21:59, 6 April 2012 (UTC)


Done, at requests for page protection. I've watchlisted the Roswell UFO Incident page as well. Good diligence, DJJ! --Tenebrae (talk) 01:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help, David. David J Johnson (talk) 09:34, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

So, who is the dummy who page protected Roswell UFO incident to stop a proper scientific discussion on the case by SUNRISE Information Services? If you are able to accept Annie Jacobsen's Area 51 from so-called Area 51 scientists who have no verifiable facts to contribute to the discussion, then it may well interest you to know that SUNRISE has a book with verifiable facts from the scientific literature confirming the metallic foil composition and status of titanium technology and titanium-based shape memory alloys in 1947, not to mention the connection between the USAF at Wright-Patterson in the study of titanium-based shape-memory alloys after 1947 and the shape-memory Roswell foil that ended up at Wright-Patterson AFB for analysis in July 1947. If anyone here is a verifiable scientist, the first thing you do is verify the new entry by reading the book and checking the references. If you don't, accept the new item into the Roswell UFO incident page. It is there for the world to see and let others check the claims if you or anyone else on this page can't do the job properly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:48, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I am not replying to unsigned abusive comments. David J Johnson (talk) 09:16, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Alfred WatkinsEdit

I don't know what this edit is about http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alfred_Watkins&diff=515473260&oldid=515459832 I have not "deleted" - unless you are referring to the beer.

If you check the sections you will see that the content was in the section labelled "life" - a book by another author, published after the persons death, is nothing to do with the persons life. Neither is a beer.

Oranjblud (talk) 16:44, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Just deleting useful material is not helpful. If you do not think it is in the right section, create a new section. Editors tend to add material to passages that already exist, so when the title becomes misleading, the solution to improve, not to enfeeble the content. Paul B (talk) 18:43, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the message. I certainly agree that Michel should be mentioned, though I think the new editor maybe has a point about the beer! If anything this paragraph should be transformed into a new section - maybe entitled 'legacy' or 'influence'. Paul B (talk) 18:30, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Excuse meEdit

Would you like to learn some manners - you comments on User_talk:Paul_Barlow#Alfred_Watkins this person seems to want a "edit war" are completely at variance with WP:AGF, nor am I an unregistered editor whatever that is.

You might also like to read Wikipedia:Canvassing - see the second paragraph "However, canvassing — which is done with the intention of influencing the outcome of a discussion towards one side of a debate — is considered inappropriate."

Finally I would like to draw your attention to the original problem - which was that adding details of another persons views, formed in the 1960s, into the section about the life of someone else who died in 1935 is completely and utterly idiotic. For that I coudl suggest you could read WP:Competence, or suggest try to pay better attention to the points legitimate editors have made explicit to you both on your own talk page, and in edit summaries.Oranjblud (talk) 18:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Um, let me see. You say someone should learn "manners" because they say you want an edit war, for which there is at lease some evidence, and then you go on to accuse that person of being "completely and utterly idiotic". Pot/Kettle to say the least, methinks. I think you could do well to peruse WP:Competence too. It really is an deeply inappropriate link in this case. Look at what it is actually about. Paul B (talk) 19:11, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Paul B. My only concern was to ensure that edits were given a reason and explained in a logical and reasonable way. This plainly was not done. I am happy with the page as it exists at 21.00. With thanks for your help and best regards, David J Johnson (talk) 20:09, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: Portland LighthousesEdit

Hello, and thanks for the message - you are right that the Breakwater lighthouse could be worth noting, although there doesn't seem to be as much information on it than the other three. I believe there may be a good amount of information for all lighthouses to warrant separate articles and having recently found a couple of Stuart Morris books based on Portland, there may be some good information in there too. I think that another article for the Portland Bill lighthouse should be separate from the Portland Bill article - like Pulpit Rock, for example, is. There would certainly be plenty of information on that lighthouse. Ajsmith141 (talk) 11:55, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Did have a quick look on the Portlanders site but couldn't find anything. Will have to check again more thoroughly at some point but there is this [1].Ajsmith141 (talk) 21:37, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Isle of PortlandEdit

Thanks for the message - I'm glad the articles have been appreciated. The Windmills are certainly worthy of their own article and I have planned to create one. I originally added a section about them on the Weston, Dorset page but I'm certain there is plenty more info out there. I will probably get on with the page tonight or tomorrow. Ajsmith141 (talk) 16:58, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Article done: Portland Windmills. Ajsmith141 (talk) 16:29, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
  • No problem at all. My mistake on the captions - the two photos are the only ones on the geograph.org.uk site but next time I visit Portland I will take some photographs of the windmills. I only first saw the windmills back in 2010 during a visit, and despite growing up in Fortuneswell as a child I didn't realise they existed. Me and a friend had a look inside both the shafts last month and they seem perfectly stable which is one thing but they do need cleaning up and looked after. Ajsmith141 (talk) 17:22, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Will do. Regards. Ajsmith141 (talk) 19:44, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

American Airlines and logo usagesEdit

Greetings. If the section about AAdvantage was more than just one line, I feel the logo could be there. Or if there was a major discussion about the new branding in the article (not just a line), then I can see the logo being there. However, we need to keep fair use/copyrighted work usage to a minimum and if people want to see the logo, they can go to the articles about the program itself. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:27, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi, Thanks for yours. I still feel that the logo should be there, as this is the main page for American Airlines and should emcompass all logos - regardless of separate articles on some aspect of the airline. The previous AAdvantage logo was there without comment and I really see no reason to change that. Folk are not going to the AAdvantage page just to see a logo? However, I do not want to stand on ceremony and I'm prepared to accept a majority view. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:48, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
    • I know there were other editors discussing about it and I just wanted to share my view point. All it is just about is commentary; if there is more commentary about the logo itself or re-branding, then yes the logo can still be there. The only thing I can think of is maybe merge the two articles together and then we can use the logo. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:51, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
      • I agree with you, I see no reason for a sep article about a airline loyalty scheme and there lies the solution. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:57, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Carl Sagan and pantheismEdit

Hello David. In case you haven't seen the citations I added about Sagan's pantheism, I would like for you to review them at Talk:List of Pantheists and see if it affects your opinion since I'm not sure you had a chance to review the case carefully. I would appreciate that very much. If you have already done this, nevermind. Thank you Allisgod (talk) 00:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Many thanks for your mail. I have reviewed your citations and it does not change my opinions - as they are other folks opinions on Carl's view. Carl, from personal experience and also written evidence, never advocated pantheism. With best regards, David J Johnson (talk) 11:27, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
What do you mean, "personal experience"? Allisgod (talk) 19:26, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Quite simply my personal knowledge of Carl from the SETI Institute. Carl was on the Board - and I am still a Charter Associate.David J Johnson (talk) 19:33, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I don't know what that means. Most people categorized as pantheists, never say "I am a pantheist". It's a rare philosophical description and it's not anything one subscribes to. Sagan agreed with Spinoza and Einstein on God, which makes him a pantheist. This is the opinion of many PhDs in philosophy and theology. Allisgod (talk) 19:48, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
  • This has become somewhat tiresome. I have answered your queries, from - albeit - personal knowledge of Carl. You appear to be pushing your own views without any evidence. I rest my case. David J Johnson (talk) 19:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
My views? There's a dozen sources that say he's a pantheist. What are you talking about? Are you saying he told you personally, "I do not subscribe to the views of pantheism"? I am just trying to understand Allisgod (talk) 20:06, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi DavidEdit

Hi, Thank you for your note, as you can check the "view history" of the pages, you see that Slurpy121 (which is me, only that I forgot to log in) undid the change, basically, I fixed my own error and I am sorry for any trouble or inconvenience I have caused. I thought at first France played a big role during the war, but after doing some reading and research, I proved myself wrong. Anyways, I wish for the best and Good luck :) ( (talk) 00:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC))

Rio Bravo (film)Edit

My purpose in editing the plot section of Rio Bravo is to clarify some sections of the plot writeup and to correct some obvious errors.

One example is in the first paragraph where Dean Martin's character was referred to as the deputy sheriff which he clearly was not because Jon Wayne's character swears him in as deputy a short while later. Therefore I added the word former to clarify the character. Similarly, I added a sentence to place Angie Dickinson's character in the poker game instead of just getting off the stage. This change makes John Wayne's actions understandable. The remainder of the changes follow the same idea – clarify the existing plot writeup without a complete rewrite which I don't believe is really necessary and add a few words and sentences here and there to make the plot more understandable without making it larger. The largest change I have made is to the ending scene between Jon Wayne's character and Angie Dickinson's character. Not only is it important to the movie but it can easily cause confusion because it differs slightly from the written script (at least as it was published on the Internet). The scene between Stumpy and Dude is often edited or omitted in movie versions shown on television so I have clarified that.

As far as the occasional typo and spacing, I am using NaturallySpeaking software to dictate the changes and there are occasional problems where the software doesn't quite put in what I want and I sometimes have to change it again later. Have patience, I am going to work on this movie until I think it is perfect because it is one of my favorites and I want what is in the plot to exactly describe what happens in the movie without being too wordy.

I am having a little issue with the fact that the editor shows the spacing between sentences differently from the way they show in the text. Perhaps you have a word of advice on how to deal with this apparent problem. Perhaps I am missing something obvious.

I have the DVD of the movie and will be adding it to the references section when I get a chance to read up on the proper way to add references. Thank you.Historyphysics (talk) 17:03, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

I hope I got the signature right.

    • I cannot help with your technical points, I'm afraid - but I am concerned by the number of typos that appear in your edits. My own view is that the plot section is too long - but that can be discussed on the Talk Page. I am intrigued by the alterations made to the end sequence, only the full version has been shown in the UK. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:58, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

re: Cosmology pageEdit

Hi, Several people have been reverting the description of Biblical Cosmology to one that is just completely fraudulent and doesn't have hardly a thing to do with the Bible's actual description of the cosmos. It's nearly a carbon copy of the Babylonian one and not accurate at all. It's about as accurate as calling America a communist nation. Isn't wikipedia supposed to be accurate? All who have reverted it simply do not seem to care about accuracy. They may have good intentions, but their description is not accurate at all. I have MUCH more documentation of this I can add if you wish, even by agnostic scientists. I'm also a professor myself and have done quite a bit of study into the Bible as well as science and history. Wikipedia is very good in many places..but there is unfortunately a bias against historical facts in some areas, sometimes in Christian areas, but not limited to that by any means. I use wikipedia a lot...but we need to make sure it is accurate, not just supporting a prejudiced agenda. Sorry I haven't contacted others about this..I just figured out how to use the talk pages just now. Bryan Dotoree (talk) 19:34, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

  • With respect this is something that should be discuseed on the appropiate Talk Page. You and others(?) are reverting edits without giving a reason for your reverts. Additionally, 3 reverts without a reason can be considered as "Edit Warring" and can result in block. In any case there will be many who will not consider your source as "historical fact". I repeat this should be a discussion on the Cosmology Talk Page and not here. David J Johnson (talk) 19:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
    • With respect, there are explicit reasons for the editing as mentioned above, but if you want, I can add that to the actual editing. I didn't realize that was necessary. Describing the Bible's cosmology as Babylonian is seriously fraudulent. THAT is the reason for the edit.
      • I'm sorry but what I have written is historical fact (the only valid source for describing biblical cosmology is the Bible itself. PERIOD.) and quite a few major scientists agree with that, including agnostic ones. See the page.Dotoree (talk) 19:54, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Please stop "shouting". Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 19:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

USS Scorpion revertEdit

Hi! I added a single sentence on the page of USS Scorpion, where I mentioned that it was fictionally mentioned in Neville Shute's On the Beach, which is one of the most well-known literary works about nuclear war. You removed this as irrelevant. Kindly tell me why this is irrelevant? If so, why don't you also go to the page of for instance The Orient Express page and remove all the fictional references, such as the Agatha Christie novel? Wikipedia does include the mentioning of prominent fictional references to real boats, trains or buildings etc. I am going to undo your revert within a few days, unless you come up with some reasonable arguments. Sponsianus (talk) 19:57, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for a long-delayed response. I have answered on your Talk Page. The main point being that the fictional novel was published in 1957, the USS Scorpion was not even laid-down until 1958. Also Orient Express is a real train, the Christie novel being set on it - the Shute novel cannot be set on a vessel that did not exist at the time of publishing. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 20:33, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. Neville Shute's novel was first published within months (April 1957) after the production of the real USS Scorpion had commenced (January 1957), which would have been well known at the time. Apparently Shute referred to the fictional fate of the "real" USS Scorpion, and the fact that the ship was so modern it was not completed yet would hardly have been an obstacle for an author of a dystopian novel - rather, the other way around! Fictional references to real vessels are just that - fictional. On the page of the Mary Celeste you will find many unrealistic references to that ship, including spaceships named after it. So yes, I think it's relevant that a well-known author of the era found it worthy to use the name of the USS Scorpion. Sponsianus (talk) 22:10, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for yours. Frankly, you seem to be assuming too much. What evidence do you have that Shute knew that USS Scorpion was under construction? And, in any case, this vessel was re-named and the actual name Scorpion was not laid-down until 1958 and launched much later. Please explain how this was well-known at the time. I find it very hard to believe that Shute wrote a novel about a sub that was hardly under construction when his novel was published. The examples you give of Orient Express and Mary Celeste refer to trains/ships that were already in service and are therefore not strictly relevent to your PoV. I see nothing in your much delayed comments that warrants a reversion to your contribution of June 2012 and it appears nor do any other Editors.

Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 23:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Ted BundyEdit

Re your message: Not a problem. I did not notice the previous accounts and I think you are correct about it being the same person. I revdel'ed one of the earlier offensive account names from the edit history. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Re your message: You're welcome. Thanks for the good work. =) -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Hi, David -- Don't know if you've noticed, but our Bundy loser seems to have opened a whole series of obscene socks, the latest being "ChristRaper666" (I kid you not). Not an issue, since Gogo Dodo and several other admins are onto him, and have been diligently blocking each sock as it appears -- though it's a shame that they have to waste their time with this nonsense (one of many reasons I refused adminship, and can't understand why anyone would want the job). And I wonder how empty one's life has to be, for fruitless vandalism of a web site to becomes one's principal entertainment vehicle. A clue might be one of his iterations, "ContrantlyMasturbating" (yes, misspelled). Cheers, DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 15:19, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello DoctorJoeE, Many thanks for your message. Like yourself, I just wonder how empty one's life has to be to keep vandalising like this. I am very grateful to Gogo Dodo for protecting my Talk Page and other admins for their efforts to stop this. Nevertheless, I'm sure you and I (amongst others) will continue to look after the Bundy and Cooper pages. Best regards,David J Johnson (talk) 16:04, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, sorry you thought I did something wrong, I just think that regardless of people's view on it, execution by the state is not homicide. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not the same as cold blooded murder. And that citation doesn't make sense as to why it would be labeled homicide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JustCopewithit (talkcontribs) 18:26, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Firstly, please sign your "contribution". Secondly, please add any comment to the latest Bundy contributions on my Talk page and not on correspondence from 2013. And third, your "edit" to the Ted Bundy article was in direct opposition to the extensive Talk page discussion and consensus reached. The CoD is that which is stated on the official Death Certificate. Wikipedia articles are fact and not based on any individual person's point of view. Thank you and regards, David J Johnson (talk) 20:20, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Hardy MonumentEdit

Not guilty! I simply changed the spelling of Blackdown to Black Down (which is how it appears on the OS maps), inserted a link to the hill and changed a few letters to lower case. The culprit who deleted the image (in fairness, probably in error) was - I cannot tell a lie - User:Jonathancbpowell. Here's the edit: [2] Regards. --Bermicourt (talk) 21:17, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your Talk Page. David J Johnson (talk) 22:46, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
No worries! --Bermicourt (talk) 06:32, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


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There's a featured article candidacy going on for this article right now. Please contribute your thoughts. Wer900talk 23:39, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Drake equationEdit

I will work on a draft on the Drake equation‎ in the coming weeks before making the change in the article. I may not completely re-write it but I certainly want to emphasize its purpose, meaning and value. I will let you know when ready for your review/edits. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 22:48, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Look forward to that. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 22:50, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Dotoree & Cosmology TalkpagesEdit

Re your message: That's two giant walls of oddly formatted text that was a little bit WP:TL;DR. Especially since I am not at all familiar with the topic at hand. Since they haven't made any edits to article space in awhile and are sticking to the article talk page, I'm inclined to say to just let it go. Sometimes you just have to let the conversation die out on its own. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:21, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

We Were SoldiersEdit

Why are you deleting my film credits? (i.e. We Were Soldiers) My credits are verifiable. Please explain.EdVanzd (talk) 18:35, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Quite simply, because you have placed your name far too high on the cast list. You have already been warned before about this self-advertising and writing articles about yourself. Continuation of your actions may result in a block. If you wish to add your name it should be way down the list, as per the official sites for We Were Soldiers. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 18:45, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

I placed my name under the character I was paired with in the film, Chris Klein. Our characters' storyline was built on the relationship. It is a logical placement.EdVanzd (talk) 19:12, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your Talk page. David J Johnson (talk) 19:26, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Equal and Fair InclusionsEdit

I believe that if all insertions about anyone are correct then his/her article should remain. Fact is fact and should not be erased from the pages of history. Who are we to choose a hierarchy of importance referring to individuals within entertainment (or any field for that matter)? Either everyone stays (as long as their pages speak only fact), or everyone within their respective industry gets deleted. No favorites.EdVanzd (talk) 16:52, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Quite simply, you have been told by several editors that it is against Wikipedia policy to write, self advertising, biographies. You have also originally placed you name in the cast list for We Were Soldiers in a position which was not supported by the official film sites or your role within the screenplay. Wikipedia operates within accepted guidelines and your actions to date have not abided by these conventions. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 10:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


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AN3 report FYIEdit

In regards to your comment on my talk page, you may be interested in: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Syngmung reported by User:Nick-D (Result: ). Regards, Nick-D (talk) 11:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Nick, Have replied on your Talk page. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 13:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


Hello, why did you consider this movie Cosmography of the Local Universe is spam? This link is its article on arXiv. I think it's one of the best simulation and model about local universe to date.Earthandmoon (talk) 12:50, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

It is still a site asking viewers to join and therefore advertising. Wikipedia does not carry advertising "spam". Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:38, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
@David J Johnson - thank you for requesting my opinion on the video - at the moment - I'm favorably impressed with this video - and that it's linked on arXiv - the oustanding benefits of the video seem to outweigh any consideration of spam in my opinion - hope this helps in some way - thanks again - and - enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 21:00, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok, many thanks. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:09, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok, I replaced vimeo's link by this link.Earthandmoon (talk) 13:00, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks and a questionEdit

Hi David J Johnson, thanks for those reverts. :) I was wondering, would you be interested in having rollback rights? You do a lot of vandal-fighting and I think the rights would help you. Best. Acalamari 11:01, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello Acalamari, many thanks for your message. Yes, I would be interested in having rollback rights. Good talking with you again. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 11:09, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Done! I'm always happy to offer rollback to those who can make effective use of the tool. Good to talk to you again, too. Acalamari 11:19, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks and best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 11:23, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Navboxes on author pagesEdit

Since you are the leading registered editor in terms of edits at Thomas Hardy in the past year, you might want to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels#Derivative_works_and_cultural_references_templates regarding including navigation boxes for adaptations of and related subjects to an authors works on the author's bio page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:09, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Tony, Happy to help. I'm a bit busy at the moment, but will get round to it in the next few days. David J Johnson (talk) 19:27, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Secret Intelligence ServiceEdit

Hi David, I'd say probably not per Wikipedia's tendency to take common names into account, but I don't feel too strongly about it ... I was onlyhistory merging the Secret Intelligence Service article, and I know hardly anything at all about the subject. Graham87 15:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC)


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Shearonink (talk) 19:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

The Paizo Publishing material needs to be discussed before any further edits/reversions. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 19:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Bundy reduxEdit

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Use of CAPSEdit

You told me that using CAPS was SHOUTING - and you implied offense.

I apologize. I am new to WIKIPEDIA and had not known this. For several years now (since Email became common) I have used CAPS when BOLD or Italic was not available. The intent was not to make my argument necessarily stronger (or louder), but to allow the reader to rapidly scan through the text zeroing in on key words (in CAPS).

Guidance appreciated.

BSmith821 (talk) 00:25, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Dear me : on reading this I realized I was still using caps :-)

BSmith821 (talk) 00:27, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Ted BundyEdit

Whatever, I sign in, so if I'm not a registered user then please define registered (no, really, don't. Thanks). Why you would want to delete the Bundy page from one of the most general categories rather than one of the narrower ones is beyond me, unless you just want to wield your power [EDIT, insert "impressive"] impressive power as a member of the "serial killer task force." I make many many productive edits as an editor , so your insult has just been deflected. I do this in the interest of teh Gen'ral Internets, so thanks. But like I said, whatever dude. Inhighspeed signing out.

I need a translation for this unsigned "contribution"!! David J Johnson (talk) 08:25, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Zodiac KillerEdit

It wasn't a test edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes it was and please sign your "contributions". Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 21:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you know what the word "test" means? I wasn't testing anything. Your edits on Graysmith are against Wikipedia practice. Get acquainted with Wiki before you start annoying people. 21:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

Before you accuse me of not knowing Wikipedia practice. I remind you that you are an unregistered user, you revert any comments that warn you of your edits, you fail to explain your revisions and you cannot sign your contributions. Your edits on Robert Graysmith are only duplications of material that already exist in the article. It is you that is not abiding by Wikipedia conventions. David J Johnson (talk) 21:56, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Your registration does not make you a higher class of user. I did explain my Graysmith edit, check the history. I am entitled to blank my talk page, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_pages. (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I never said my registration made me a higher class of user. With reference to User Talk page guidelines, you will note that it states that it is better not delete entries, so that editors can refer to comments. It appears that you only delete entries that are reminding you of Wikipedia conventions. Case closed. David J Johnson (talk) 16:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Caps or not in headingsEdit

I was trying to make the headings consistent. Is there a convention or rule I need to read about? BSmith821 (talk) 00:14, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Unless the caps are initials for some organisation/project etc, headings should be in upper & lower case, also please do not sign edits on the article page, only sign on Talk page. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 08:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Wickramasinghe & BSmith821Edit

Thank you for your interest and concern regarding user BSmith821's POV and advertisements. User BSmith821 statement of purpose in his user page is clear that he is a single-purpose user that does not hold Wikipedia's integrity and neutrality as his intention to edit. He managed to dock the ANI by stepping down but now he is back at it, and his campaign to promote Chandra Wickramasinghe's fringe work is distracting from constructive editing. I will appreciate suggestions on how to proceed in order to stop his advertisement campaign in Wikipedia. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 15:06, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello BatteryIncluded. my concern for the "neutral point of view" is increasing. Please see BSmith821's long-winded reply to my concerns on the article Talk page. You have done sterling work in bring sense to the article and this "editors" contributions - sorry advertising and PoV - are in danger of reverting the article back to its previous mish-mash. My advice would be to get an experienced administrator to have a look at the recent history of the article and, in particular, BSmith821's edits the statement on his Talk page - and then take the appropiate action. Please let me know if I can help in any way. With best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 18:19, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for the feedback. Cheers Bi

United Airlines Flight 93Edit

I thought that we were talking about the site of the crash, or the "field" in the infobox. Backspace (talk) 08:52, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. The field was near the township, not in it. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 09:05, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Assuming that your last statement is accurate, then I would propose that the given geographical coordinates are inaccurate, for they are indeed in Stonycreek Township. Backspace (talk) 09:57, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Just checked the coordinates and they are correct for the crash site. I see no evidence for the site being "in" the township. Case closed. David J Johnson (talk) 10:03, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
If the coordinates are not in Stonycreek Township, what Township (or Borough) are they in? If we consider only adjacent entities then we have the finite choices of:

Backspace (talk) 11:00, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the coordinates for the crash impact area are correct as shown on the article. Nothing else matters. A someone who lost a friend in this event, I think you're going off at a tangent. As far as I'm concerned that's the end of it. David J Johnson (talk) 11:54, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Sorry to butt in, but I have to agree with David. I've been out there -- the crash site is a field near the township. Is that not sufficiently accurate? DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 13:52, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
I do not believe that identifying the name of the political entity in which it lies is "going off at a tangent". We have already identified that it is located in the State of Pennsylvania, and in Somerset County. Somerset County is divided into townships and boroughs. It had to land in one (or more, if on a town line) of them. The given coordinates, assuming that they are accurate, happen to place the site in Stonycreek Township, is all that I am trying to say. Backspace (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.Edit

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Edit of façade to facadeEdit

First of all you only edited one of the "façade"s leaving it inconsistent. Second I only changed the original spelling because I saw multiple other articles about architecture using the "ç". There is no reason to change an accepted and correct spelling. It helps pronunciation and we are all entitled to our opinions. I went by what is consistent. Jasonli42 (talk) 02:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Apologies, I missed the other version. You have been told before regarding the English versions of wording and not to change. Please abide by Wikepedia conventions. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 09:28, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

You and the UniverseEdit

Hi David, Why did you remove yourself from the Universe? Do you feel like it's not true, or not relevant?

I have opened a talk to this page, would you please add your comments there? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Universe#The_Universe_includes_You

Thank You, Mihai

Extremind (talk) 08:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mihai, I will certainly have a look at the Talk page as soon as I get the time. Just very busy at the moment. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 11:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
Answered on Universe Talk page. Apologies for the delay. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 16:46, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

9/11 In GeneralEdit

I may be wrong, but I think I have seen you make multiple edits or reverts on pages having to do with 9/11, which would lead me to believe it is something you are very knowledgeable about and/or interested in. Why no mention of this on your user page, especially since you are in the serial killer thing? I've never been to the UK before, is 9/11 a popular (I don't want to say popular because it is actually a tragedy) topic of conversation over there? There is a guy on YouTube, Myles Powers, who made a wonderful series debunking many of the nonsense claims about 9/11, and he is from the UK as well. I was never aware anyone else in the world thought about it as much as any American would.Zdawg1029 (talk) 00:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. Answered on your Talk page. Regards,David J Johnson (talk) 10:36, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't usually (ever actually) promote YouTube videos on Wikipedia, but if you are interested in the subject, I would definitely check out the series of 7 videos Myles Powers made if you ever have time, it is a very intriguing and insightful set of videos. And you as well keep up the good work. Cheers! Zdawg1029 (talk) 10:39, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
You know what's funny, there is a David Johnson who runs around YouTube adamantly supporting the conspiracy theories of 9/11.Zdawg1029 (talk) 18:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
That's certainly not me! Thanks for the info though. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 21:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

David, I think you are one of the -- probably self-appointed -- suppressors of dissent for 9/11 articles found on Wikipedia. You removed my posting in the article, "September 11 Attacks," which said "the certainty of these attacks and their link to all the damage is widely disputed" (citation consensus911.org). That statement quite true, within common limits of generality. You commented that there are separate "conspiracy theory" pages. So there are! -- and the "conspiracy"(unnecessary adjective) theory article I affiliate with, "World Trade Center Controlled Demolition Conspiracy Theory," has abundant references to the "main-stream-news" theory. So would you remove such references, also? (I may be working on improving that article.) I think both theories should be cross-referenced, and your removal of my statement defeats the airing of good evidence and research. If you need to be convinced that dissenters about the "September 11 Attacks" are not purely some marginal group, please see the video, "9/11 Controlled Demolition: Experts Speak Out," available at AE911Truth.org and Amazon.com, and books such as _The Mysterious Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7: Why the Final Official Report about 911 is Unscientific and False_ by David Ray Griffin -- which has an interesting list of named endorsers. (See Amazon.com.) Web sites such as AE911Truth.org have lists of named endorsers in the thousands. It would be very big of you to restore the edit you removed. Cross-referencing should not be suppressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stickler4accuracy2 (talkcontribs) 01:10, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, please sign any contributions you may make. Secondly, no-one is "self appointed", any editor is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia - so long as their contributions are from reliable and respected sources. The "conspiracy theories" which you appear to be trying to further, have been widely discounted as fringe and have been constantly deleted by many editors from the main articles about 9/11. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a forum for widely discounted fringe theories. Therefore, I will not be restoring your edit. If you disagree, I suggest you take it to the appropriate Talk page and not here. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 11:12, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcomeEdit

  Thanks for the welcome
The article for the plot of We Were Soldiers is preceded by the message "This article's plot summary may be too long or excessively detailed. Please help improve it by removing unnecessary details and making it more concise. (September 2012)" Indeed, as the plot summary now stands, it is too long, full of unnecessary details (because it's *supposed* to be a *summary*, not a verbatim reprint of the screenplay), and it is therefore boring. Had I seen the section for putting my reason for my edits, I would have said as much, but I am new to this and made a mistake. I disagree with your opinion that my summary left out important plot elements; I merely said in 512 words what the original article said in 905 words. Thanks for the welcome. Sam Yep (talk) 14:44, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
Sam, Answered on your Talk page. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 18:36, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Angels of MonsEdit

David, I fear that you are in error when you say that "This is a fictional story, no citations needed" - it is a factual article about a fictional work, and therefore does indeed require citations where appropriate - check any of the other articles about works of fiction for examples. QuipQuotch (talk) 23:28, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello QuipQuotch, My view has not changed, but I am happy to accept consensus. Regards, David,David J Johnson (talk) 19:37, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
David, Wikipedia makes no distinction between articles about works of fiction and other articles when it comes to the need for citations, so I am afraid that your view is somewhat unusual. In any event, the article in question is about more than Arthur Machen's short story - it is about the legend inspired but it, and the various claims made by real people concerning the legend. QuipQuotch (talk) 22:16, 24 November 2013 (UTC)


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Wow signal revertsEdit

I couldn't figure out why you reverted the correction of the capitalization (twice). Is there something I am missing? --TeaDrinker (talk) 23:08, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Quite simply, because it is totally unnecessary. Reagrds, David, David J Johnson (talk) 23:17, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't understand. Surely capitalizing the first letter of a sentence is necessary, is it not? --TeaDrinker (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
You are correct, I misread the correction. Apologies and regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 12:38, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Not to worry, it looks like you've done great service to the project on that page. Thanks for all the hard work! --TeaDrinker (talk) 14:11, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much. Look forward to working with you again. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:53, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello David. Since you seem to be in involved in SETI, let me ask you: I was wondering if you could point me a link about the Wow signal that describes its properties. Was there a modulation of any kind suggesting data? Were quasars ruled out? Thank you for keeping this article neutral and clean. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 21:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello BI and good to hear from you. Regarding the properties of the Wow! signal, the best references are by Jerry Ehman, who discovered the signal, and are detailed in references 2 and 10 in the article references. Also Robert H Gray's book "The Elusive WOW", published Palmer Square Press, Chicago; goes into detail of the signal and subsequent searches. Hopefully, the book should still be available from Amazon. To answer your question: quasars were ruled out - the signal was only received once and then for only 70 odd seconds. Unfortunately Jerry did not look at the printout until several days after the signal was received, which precluded a immediate follow-up. With best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
This portion answers my question: "The signal could have been varying (modulated) at a frequency faster than once every 5 seconds (or 0.2 Hz, corresponding to one half the data collection period) and we wouldn't have seen that modulation since our observatory was not equipped to detect such modulation. Also, any modulation occurring at a frequency slower than once every 144 seconds (about 0.00694 Hz, corresponding to twice the duration of the 72-second Wow! signal) would not have been seen"
So basically, they were scanning the sky, not actually listening. I still find it strange that they did a second scan of the same portion of the sky years later, and not 3 days after they found it. I read recently that very distant galaxies can bend light (Gravitational lens), so I think the RF signal could have come from nearby, not from that exact point in the sky. Thank you. BatteryIncluded (talk) 14:42, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pitEdit

Hi, sorry I'm a bit confused about the location of the Ridgeway Hill Viking burial pit. I know I only gave approximate coordinates but, you reverted back to coordinates which seem to me to be far more inaccurate. Is there any reason why you think the B3155 Road Bridge going over Radipole Lake in central Weymouth is a more accurate location? Pasicles (talk) 23:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

No, the actual site is just beyond the footbridge (Weymouth side) rh side of the relief road, A354, approaching Weymouth. Regret I do have my OS map to hand to give correct location. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 00:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Okay, tell you what, just let me know what you think the grid reference is on this geograph link, and I'll see if I can correct it. Pasicles (talk) 00:08, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Well, I've made a slight adjustment anyway. I can adjust the coordinates a bit further, if you want get back to me on that. I should mention that it's very easy to get to an OS map: if you just click on the coordinates taking you to GeoHack, and then scroll down to "Geograph Britain and Ireland" and click on "Photos", that takes you to the Geograph website. If you then click on the map at Geograph, that opens up an interactive OS map which you can scroll around and zoom to your heart's content. Pasicles (talk) 00:32, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello again Pasicles and apologies for the delay, but I am very busy at the moment. I have looked at your adjusted coordinates and the site should be further north - almost adjacent to the southern side of the footbridge. Hope this helps, sorry but I have to rush away. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 12:44, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Lord LaitinenEdit

Re your message: He says that he is leaving Wikipedia. I do not think he was begin malicious, just not clear on what Wikipedia is about and perhaps a little too strident in his protestations. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:36, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


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She was christened Jacqueline but called herself Jacci. FWIW, I worked on the case. Hengistmate (talk) 15:03, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm told by those who think this sort if thing important that if someone posts on your Talk page you're supposed to reply there. But, like much of Wikipedia, it doesn't matter.

Re spelling: not the first time Wikipedia has declined to let the facts interfere with its terrifically serious functioning.

No strong theories about the killer. Probably a one-off. But you should have seen GMP laughing when it was first suggested that Jean Jordan was one of Sutcliffe's. Hengistmate (talk) 21:52, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

United Airlines Flight 175 ' Revert weasel wording.'Edit

' I left your change to "members" rather than "terrorist", as I believe it's supported by the MoS (see WP:TERRORIST for support for your position). Acroterion (talk) 13:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC) ' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Beingsshepherd#AA_Flight_11

By your rationale, we should go through Wiki articles, changing references to U.S. armed forces, to terrorists. Beingsshepherd (talk) 22:00, 16 March 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd

Absolutely not. U.S. armed forces are a legal entity, I hardly think that terrorist attacks on 9-11 fall into this category. May I respectfully suggest that you contain your conspiracy theories and anti-US themes to the many sites on the internet and not an encyclopedia. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 22:12, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Hum...Beingsshepherd is an odd bloke. I suppose if he keeps at it he'll end up banned from 9/11 pages. I usually remind these folks that keep saying we're suppressing information that the website does have articles on 9/11 conspiracy theories and they're easy to find.--MONGO 01:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
' The concept of terrorism may be controversial as it is often used by state authorities (and individuals with access to state support) to delegitimize political or other opponents, and potentially legitimize the state's own use of armed force against opponents (such use of force may be described as "terror" by opponents of the state). ' ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Er what 'conspiracy theories'? Respectfully my eye: ' ...the term "conspiracy theory" has acquired a derogatory meaning over time...' ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory Beingsshepherd (talk) 01:32, 17 March 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd
The only entities that did not see the 9/11 attacks as acts of terrorism by terrorists were rouge nations. From the UN to countless leaders the attacks wee almost universally condemned as acts of terrrorism.--MONGO 01:38, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
  • *sigh* MONGO, how is (for example) my overruled, factual, mentioning, of the disparity in Flight 11 hijacker numbers, between the 9/11 Commission's report and 100% of their primary witnesses; characteristic of a stigmatic "conspiracy theory"?
It seems that typically: those of my article edits (however in-keeping with the rules), which may undermine the official version of events in these September 11th matters; are swiftly and obdurately censored (and now I'm being repeatedly threatened, by multiple admins(?)).
' Rogue state is a controversial term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. ...The term is used most by the United States... ' ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_state
Gosh, I've just seen this on your user page: ' The incredible TEAM AMERICA EAGLESTAR...which I award to all well behaved members of my "CABAL". ' lol, 'nuff said. Beingsshepherd (talk)Beingsshepherd
Beingsshepherd, Can I respectfully suggest that you post the above comments either on your Talk page or on an Admins page? Please keep your theories or bias to the appropiate article and not here. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 09:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Aye...I usually redirect the wackos away from my talk page back to the article talk pages, which was going to be my suggestion to you. This character doesn't even understand that the Team America Eaglestar is a comical and farcical joke! It was conjured up after dealing with guys like him.--MONGO 11:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) It sounds as if David has earned one of those Eaglestars. How does one venture to join up? Does it come with a forest green Merry Man suit? DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 13:09, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to have to sit down and rest in a darkened room, after this honor!! David J Johnson (talk) 14:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
It's roughly equivalent to an OBE, if OBEs were inflatable critters found on top of car dealerships. Acroterion (talk) 14:51, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
And I thought it meant "other blokes efforts" ! David J Johnson (talk) 15:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Silly man! OBEs are out-of-body experiences! DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 21:03, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Back to the darkened room......again! David J Johnson (talk) 21:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
The incredible TEAM AMERICA EAGLESTAR...awarded to anyone that aids the U.S. Government cover up the truth about what really happened on 9/11!--MONGO 23:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
The awesome COWSTAR...usually awarded to those who have had to put up with a huge amount of "stuff"!--MONGO 23:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Observe: after he lost the argument, Johnson banishes me from the symposium, so that the corrupt triumvirate, may revel in crass, unfettered, mockery, in my absence. Enjoy .Beingsshepherd (talk) 01:17, 18 March 2014 (UTC)Beingsshepherd
Are you looking to get blocked? No one is mocking you, though we may of course be mocking your argument. Now go forth and troll no more.--MONGO 13:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, let's review: David suggested that you make your case on the applicable article's talk page, or on your own; this is "banishing" you? Now, let's be clear: David has asked you politely to stop posting on his talk page, which he has every right to do. You have every right to continue voicing your opinions and concerns on the aforementioned article talk pages, or your own talk page; but if you continue being disruptive, you will in all likelihood trigger a block, as Mongo has already explained. I hope this is clear. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 14:54, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Airport date nuisanceEdit

Thank you for your help. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 22:49, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Lord LaitinenEdit

As you should clearly see, after clicking this link, it is 56th on the list. I politely ask you to not revert my edits again, without a proper reason. If there is another list where it is 65th, show it to me.Lord Laitinen (talk) 05:59, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

You should have checked before editing. The article's first list, "Tallest Skyscrapers in the world" ranks the Bank Tower as 65th, your measurement is from the "highly subjective" "Height to pinnacle" listing in the same article. That is my proper reason for reverting your original edit. Could I respectfully suggest that you make a proper check before posting comments such as the above. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 09:53, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I apologize, but I felt that I should make a point. Earlier, I remember you asking Gogo Dodo to "deal" with me, which I thought was odd and disrespectful, due to the fact that I never heard of you or spoke to you before. I do not care for disrespect, and I just wanted to make sure you knew that.Lord Laitinen (talk) 20:37, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Dorchester South Railway StationEdit

Hello David, on the bottom of the info box, it gives a link to the office of rail statistics who have just released the 12/13 information. Thanks, Jack Bellminsterboy 2nd April 2013 15:49 (UTC)

Hi Jack, I've answered on your Talk page. Many thanks for all your help. Best regards, David,David J Johnson (talk) 18:34, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Jet2.com flights to EWREdit

Hi there. Those flights are ad-hoc/irregular charters and are not to be listed per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT. Thanks! (talk) 03:49, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

That is exactly what I thought and my reason for deleting them, although they reappeared! Regards David J Johnson (talk) 08:33, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the thank, but I could use your helpEdit

The IP at Talk:September 11 attacks whose thread I collapsed (which you thanked me for) has started an ANI thread on me for doing so, as well as removing his bad faith sockpuppet investigation on Tarange, and even removing comments from my own talk page. I've mentioned you indirectly, but not by name yet. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:20, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll await developments. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 16:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, no problem. It appears to be WP:BOOMERANGing on him anyway. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:42, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Isle of PortlandEdit

Hi David,

I don't suppose you have a copy of the book "The Coastal Defences of Portland and Weymouth," by Andrews, E.A., and M.L. Pinsent? This rather elusive book is referenced in a number of places but I can't seem to find any actual copy of it, and was curious to see whether Portland's East Weares Rifle Range was perhaps mentioned, even though it is not a defence as such. There seems to be very little information on the range, which is surprising for such an iconic landmark on that side of the island. I have attempted to submit the range to English Heritage for consideration of becoming a listed monument, but no response as of yet.

I hope you've enjoyed any of the Portland pages you may have come across. At this rate I'll have little left to write about! It got to a point where I thought a template for the island was necessary to collaborate everything for ease of accessing the many different pages.

Kind regards, Ashley Ajsmith141 (talk) 21:21, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Ashley and good to hear from you. I'm afraid I cannot help with the book, I have checked on Amazon and come-up with a blank. The only thing I can suggest is to check with a Portland or Weymouth local library? Thank you for all your contributions for Portland. May I just remind you that a recent pic is needed for North Mill on the Portland Windmills page, most of the ivy having been removed - or blown-off. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:40, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi David, no worries, it certainly seems difficult to find. Good idea about the library, they might have it. I've got some recent pics of both windmills, and will update the article as some point. Seems another surrounding field is about to be quarried too, so soon the windmills will be surrounded with them! Ajsmith141 (talk) 09:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Steven J. DickEdit

Thank you for the thank you. Do you like the picture I put of Steven J. Dick on the article's main page? Geraldshields11 (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello Gerald, Many thanks for the message and for inserting the pic of Steven J. Dick - really good pic. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Village pumpEdit

Hello David, and thank you for your messages. I haven't figured out how to use the "Your notifications" dropbox yet so I'm replying via your Talk Page. Best regards. --Jumbolino (talk) 20:54, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Jumbolino, Many thanks for your kind message. I intend to wait a while to see if there any further comments, before deciding on a possible next step. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Zodiac KillerEdit

Hi, David. I don't know about the rest of's edits, and a glance at his talk page shows that he seems to have ticked off a bunch of editors; but this one doesn't strike me as vandalism. There are a number of bare URL references in the article, right at the end. TJRC (talk) 23:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

The actions of the unregistered IP are currently under review. The number of bare URL references doe not strike me as warranting a linkrot tag. David J Johnson (talk) 23:26, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not supporting the IP. But there are bare references that ought to be fixed, so the tag is appropriate. TJRC (talk) 23:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
We agree to differ. Also please use the Zodiac Killer section of my Talk page, rather then creating a new section. David J Johnson (talk) 23:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Skip it, I've fixed them all and removed the template, so I think we should both be happy now. TJRC (talk) 23:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your help. David J Johnson (talk) 23:51, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


I am notifying editors who participated in the recent discussion regarding the September 11 attacks that a brand new RfC has been created. The RfC was created in a brand new discussion thread. I don't wish to see any editors be disenfranchised so you may wish to comment in the new thread. Thanks! A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 22:02, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification, I have contributed. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi David, I'm sorry we seem to have our differences on the Sept 11 Attack talk page. If you'd like, I'd be happy to address your concerns in more detail here, off the article talk page. Smitty121981 (talk) 22:59, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

No absolutely not. The article Talk page is the correct place for any comments - where there is nothing to hide. David J Johnson (talk) 23:08, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Last surviving Confederate veteransEdit

I left this reply on my talk page: Sorry to say that I have not followed through yet. I decided to research the matter. While I found references to the prior findings and a few sentences that point to them, I found nothing more on them. That gave me a little pause and I let it slip into the background. Still, I need to gather such information as I have and present it to someone for a further look. Rather than go immediately to an administrator, I think I will pose the question to a few editors who work regularly on American Civil War articles to see if we can get something of a consensus. Thanks for keeping up with this and giving me a nudge. Donner60 (talk) 21:10, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Further reply on my talk page: I agree. I wanted to present the best case and slipped up when I found this would require more digging around than I thought. Regardless of that, it is original research and most of it is quite dubious. I don't think there is any bad faith which is another reason why I hesitated while searching for a definitive source. Still, it is outside the Wikipedia policy in any event. The early warnings may or may not have convinced the user of that. Also, I think most or all of the conclusions are speculative at best. No real correlation between common names in unit rosters and the "survivors" can be made and such additional sources as are mentioned don't seem to make the connection as well. Donner60 (talk) 22:15, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
I should have time later tonight to get this together. Do you think we should notify the author of these changes or wait until we see the responses? I don't think there is anything to hide but the user has been notified at an earlier date and does not seem likely to respond. Donner60 (talk) 22:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Just about to turn-in, 23:42 in the UK. It would be a courtesy to inform the IP editor of the revert to the original article, because of Wikipedia policy on "original research". They have not responded to earlier warnings, so I doubt if they will now. It may take a admin to warn them of any infringement/edit warring after this. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Donner60 (talk) 00:30, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I have written almost two pages of explanation of the no original research policy, mainly with direct quotes from the Wikipedia page on that topic and on verifiability. I have begun to write examples of the problems with the research. I think that an explanation of this sort will be needed to support reversion of the revisions to the article and to explain to others why there is a problem. I also have done some more research but the two key articles are not online. Some support for the debunking of the claimants after Crump is already noted on the page and can be included. Far too late to finish it tonight but I have made good progress. Donner60 (talk) 08:51, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Further delay. I came down with a sinus infection but after I have had antibiotics for a day, I am back at the computer. Donner60 (talk) 18:02, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I have done a little vandalism reversion this week and have changed my essay concerning the last surviving Confederate veterans after coming close to finishing it. My energy level has been low as I recover from the sinus infection and cope with the effects of antibiotics, which I find tiring. As I noted before, I started writing an essay on original research and some of the problems with the article for the article talk page. I now have decided that the most conservative approach would be appreciated by neutral parties and administrators, and maybe even the editor.
I have a new essay in progress to place on the user's talk page as a first step. I have rewritten and somewhat shortened the original research explanation from the first draft essay. I also have started explaining the problems with the user's work on each of the 11 persons other than Crump. Policy guidelines on assertions that a user's work is original work through synthesis seem to require extra care. Because I can see some use for some of the facts the user asserts, I think a small part of his work, such as some reference to Professor Hoar's work, might be saved, at least if rewritten. I plan to ask him to modify the work, offer to do it myself (which I would rather not do) or if he agrees to neither, inform him that I will take it to the talk page first and then to a noticeboard or administrator if finally required. I would finish my first draft essay for the talk page but it would be similar to the talk page draft. I call these essays because they will be several typewritten pages. That is too long for most purposes but I think we have a special case here. I think the user genuinely thinks his work is valid and that he has uncovered something no one else has found. I also surmise the user may be a young person, who I do not wish to discourage. Yet, Wikipedia can not make exceptions and allow original research and speculation by the Wikipedia writer on that basis. Donner60 (talk) 03:13, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


Should I take that to mean that you're thankful that I left the article?   - MrX 18:21, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

No!!, Many thanks for all your help. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 18:29, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I thought so. I was just being silly. Cheers. - MrX 18:44, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
All good wishes, David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:19, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

David J Johnson (talk) 07:46, 22 October 2014 (UTC)== Draft message on last surviving Confederate veterans ==

I was about to post the following essay on the user's talk page when I thought I should solicit your opinion. Is this the right approach? Is it stated well, correctly and respectfully? You can see why it took me so long to complete this and why I have conflicting feelings about this. Not all of the previously given statuses of the claimants were shown as debunked as concluded by William Marvel and apparently a few other writers. This leaves the possibility that some additions to the article, if not original research, might be made. It also raises questions about the sources used to support the previous conclusions. Complete support is not given in the previous article. Rather than go on at length only to add a lengthy draft raising many of the same points, I will leave it at that. Please give me your views and do not feel rushed. I know this is quite much to look over. The draft:

You have done interesting and diligent research and writing on the article Last surviving Confederate veterans. I do not doubt your good faith or neutral point of view. I wish I could leave it at that but I think your additions need modification to fit within Wikipedia guidelines on original research and synthesis and to avoid speculation. At the risk of being tedious, but because I also respect your effort and think some of it can be saved or rewritten, I explain my position and my suggestions in detail. I do not wish to discourage you in any way. Any criticism I express is meant to be constructive and not negative. I simply think it is necessary to conform changes to the article with Wikipedia guidelines and to avoid unsourced conjecture.

If you agree with my assessment, I assume you will prefer to make revisions to the article, rather than have me keep only a little of your work and revert the rest. Also, you are familiar with the topic and appear to have the main sources available to you. I provide below detailed comments on the text of the article for your consideration. First, I think I need to explain why I think much of the revised article is not in line with Wikipedia's policy against publishing original research. Another editor and I noted this to you a few months ago. Your changes since then appear to have been an effort to provide more sources and better analysis rather than to limit your additions to material contained in sources considered reliable and verifiable under Wikipedia guidelines, rather than to provide your own new analysis.

Your work has much original content or analysis, and unfortunately to some extent is based on conjecture. This type of speculative analysis, by you rather than the author of a reliable source, does not entirely conform to Wikipedia's policy of publishing verifiable information from reliable sources. Also see Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth and Wikipedia:Third-party sources.

You have cited some primary sources which some include in the policy against original research. I do not see a problem with these sources when used carefully to report what the records say. The problem arises when facts from the sources are used to support an analysis not made by the source or by authors of later reliable sources. You have cited some reliable sources as well but you draw many conclusions that appear not to be expressed or supported by the authors. This might be fine if you were publishing a new article with new conclusions but that is not the type of article that Wikipedia includes.

I think it is good that you place little, if any, reliance on Find-a-grave and Ancestry.com. These may not be reliable, third-party sources because they are self-published, do not have editorial control for the most part and only have reliable sources if the writers find and include them, which they often do not. You refer to documents which may be available at the Ancestry web site, but since they require a subscription to see them, and since you analyze rather than just report them, it does not appear they can provide support to change conclusions in the article. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. If the documents directly support your content rather than providing a stepping stone, more about them needs to be added.

Before commenting on the details for the article and for each claimed veteran, I think it is best to add some more information about original research. Although you can find the information about original research on the cited Wikipedia guideline pages, I believe it may be helpful for me to quote some key points so they are included here for reference.

On the page Wikipedia:No original research, the following explanation of original research is given: "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist. This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources. To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." In Wikipedia:What SYNTH is not, synthesis is further explained as "SYNTH cautions against original research by synthesis, where an editor combines reliably sourced statements in a way that makes or suggests a new statement not supported by any one of the sources." Furthermore, the page says: "SYNTH provides a guideline for helping to determine the difference between summarizing the information from sources and extrapolating new information from sources." As I tried to explain above, I think that is a good description of much of your content.

Another explanation of a problem with synthesis from the no original research page is: "If no reliable source has combined the material in this way, it is original research." The combining of sources in a way not found in reliable sources is a key problem in with many of the additions and changes to the article. As the guideline page points out: "...that precise analysis must have been published by a reliable source in relation to the topic before it can be published on Wikipedia."

I could extend this somewhat but I think the above quotes are more than enough to explain the point. So I will turn to look at the additions to the article itself with respect to each of the supposed last surviving veterans.

In my opinion, the article was deficient before your changes and needed to be improved if it could be. Despite my conclusion that much of your content is original research or conjecture, I think that some of your research and writing can be retained. I think some of it actually explains or supports the previous conclusions, although it appears you did not see it that way. Some material might be retained to support some minor changes to the conclusions or, more likely, to provide an explanation that some of the conclusions may be subject to some doubt. Changes of the status of the veteran claimants to very positive conclusions, including verified, do not appear to be supportable. I do not see them as supported by anything you have cited as you have explained the sources.

I find the article before your revisions to be unsatisfactory because it is not entirely clear where each of the conclusions originates. The overall conclusion that Pleasant Crump is the last verified surviving Confederate veteran appears to remain required from the few reliable, verifiable sources that exist on the matter. The focus then becomes whether any of the other claims have any possible validity. This analysis must be done against the background that one of the few reliable sources on the matter, Marvel, reaches a blanket conclusion that all of the claims of persons who died after Pleasant Crump have been debunked. So it appears that any status that does not debunk or at least exclude the other claimants did not come from Marvel unless he was more specific in the article than in his later writing.

William Marvel, a reliable and verifiable source, says that Pleasant Crump was the last surviving Confederate veteran. On page 198 of Marvel, William. Lee's Last Retreat: The Flight to Appomattox. Chapel Hill, NC: University of North Carolina Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-8078-5703-8, Marvel states: "As Freeman spoke there remained but one man who had witnessed the surrender there eighty-five years before: Private Pleasant Riggs Crump, of Talladega County, Alabama, then in his one-hundred-and-third year. When Crump died on the closing day of 1951, he was the last of all those many thousands who had served in Lee's army: though no one noticed at the time, he was the last Confederate veteran in the world." On pages 263-264 of his previous book, Marvel, William. [ http://www.questia.com/read/101574734/a-place-called-appomattox A Place Called Appomattox]. Chapel Hill, NC: University of North Carolina Press, 2000, ISBN 978-0-8078-2568-6, Marvel makes the same point about Crump.

Marvel cites his own 1991 magazine article and Professor Hoar's work in support of his conclusions. Yet, he appears to leave the the door open for the addition of some further information as to at least one of the claimants. In his footnote to his previously quoted statement he writes on page 280: "After Crump's death a dozen other men claimed to have been Confederate soldiers (see Hoar, The South's Last Boys in Gray, 463–516), but military, pension, and especially census records prove them all to have been fakes (Marvel, “The Great Impostors,” 32–33). Hoar (60) lists two other alleged Appomattox survivors who were alive in April of 1950, but neither is named on the parole lists and at least one of them—if not both—also appears to have fabricated his Confederate service altogether."

Is Marvel backing off from his conclusion as to one of the claimants? If so, who? What does he say about him in the magazine article, if anything? What does Hoar say about this claimant? Does he support the identity of the man and his Confederate service or does he simply provide some facts or possible arguments and leave the question open? In fact are neither of the men who Hoar mentions as alive in April 1950 on the list of those who survived past the date of Crump's death?

Although this seems to leave room for analysis of only one other claimant, where did the conclusions such as Unknown or No Evidence or even Possible for more than one of the claimants in the previous version of the article originate and on what basis were they shown as other than debunked? Note that only one of these seems to be a possible older surviving veteran than Crump and maybe this justifies Marvel lumping them altogether. Again, Hoar's work, which I do not have, might answer these questions if Marvel himself does not explain these details in his magazine article. Unfortunately, I do not have Hoar's book or Marvel's “The Great Impostors.” Blue and Gray Magazine 8, no. 3 (February 1991) and I can find only a small quote from the article on line. I assume you can confirm or find some information from these publications that might answer the questions and in turn add useful information to the article, without drawing a conclusion not stated in the sources.

A blog is usually not considered a reliable reference but A Different Perspective. A Commentary on UFOs, Paranormal events, and related topics. FAKERS!, Saturday, September 08, 2007, Retrieved August 31, 2014, has direct quotes from Marvel's magazine article. With regard to Walter Williams, the blog's author, Kevin Randle, states that: "Marvel found Williams on a census record from Hawamba (sic) County in 1860 on which he was listed as a five year old boy. That meant he was born, not in 1842 or 1847, but in 1855. Marvel found that in every census he gave a birth date that was consistent with being born in either late 1854 or early 1855. The census of 1910, which carried a column to designate those who had served in the Civil War, contained no such designation for Williams. He would have been, at best, eleven when the war ended."

Randle also writes: "In fact, in the Blue & Gray article, Marvel wrote, 'Every one of the last dozen recognized Confederates was bogus. Thomas Riddle was only five when the Confederacy collapsed, and Arnold Murray only nine. William Loudermilk, who insisted he fought through the Atlanta Campaign at 16, did not turn 14 until after Appomattox. William Bush and a reputed Confederate nurse named Sarah Rockwell were not 20 years old in the summer of 1865, but 15.' Marvel pointed out that most of these imposters were in it for the money and that it was 'a common scam.' They tacked a few extra years on their ages, claimed service in some 'obscure militia unit' and then could claim a state pension."

In the absence of contrary definitive information from a reliable source, this disposes of these claimants. Did Marvel specifically mention the other five on the list, not including Crump and those just identified above? Even if he did not, he included them in his later blanket statements. Contrary information and conclusions need clear citation to a reliable, verifiable, neutral source in order to discuss the possibility of a different conclusion as to a claim.

Did Hoar actually conclude that any of the claimants were verified? It seems that he did not except perhaps for Kinney, which is important and I mention below. He may have given some evidence in their favor which would leave the possibility of a conclusion other than debunked for one or more of them. If so, the most that could be done, however, is to note that he offers the evidence that might keep the possibility alive, but does not give a favorable conclusion for their claim. You actually seem to have done just this with one or more footnotes but in a broader, more conjectural way than I just expressed. That appears to me to mean that you used Hoar as a source for coming up with a different conclusion than Marvel's. If Hoar does not make such conclusions, however, the description in the article of what he has written about one or more of the claimants, especially Kinney, must be modified.

Few other historians, or even journalists or other writers, seem to have addressed this issue of identifying the last surviving Confederate veteran so the works of Hoar, Marvel and perhaps Serrano if he differs from Marvel, and Lowry with respect to Riddle, are most, if not all, of the reliable sources. I have found little if anything more written about this topic that I can see has any assurance of being reliable and verifiable and that gives specific information on any of the claims.

For example, Keyes, Ralph The Post-Truth Era: Dishonesty and Deception in Contemporary Life. New York: Macmillan, 2004, ISBN 978-1-4299-7622-0, page 72, accepts Marvel's conclusions and provides no new information. Beard, Belle Boone. Centenarians, the New Generation. New York: Greenwood Press. 1991, contemporaneous with Marvel's magazine article, mentions several of the Confederate veterans as centenarians but gives no real proof or analysis of their claims. Marvel's article also was published in 1991 and his summary statements concerning claims of anyone who survived after Crump came in later works. The Beard book provides no basis for alternate conclusions.

'Genealogy Trails: The Last Veterans', Retrieved September 2, 2014 references Wikipedia, Marvel, a few obituaries of questionable complete accuracy and the Department of Veterans Affairs with respect to Salling's claim. The only conclusion in the list of 12 claimants to be the last Confederate veteran on that web site is that Walter Williams's claim has been debunked. The site accepts William J. Bush's approximate age but does not verify his service. It accepts Marvel's evidence against Salling but notes that the Department of Veterans Affairs accepts him as the last Confederate veteran. Congress's acceptance of his claim before he died may have much to do with leaving this stand. The conclusion is not in line with Marvel's or apparently to Hoar's later scrutiny. If the Department continues to accept his possible claim, this could be put in the footnote with a disclaimer concerning Marvel's and Hoar's non-acceptance of its accuracy. The web page has a question mark after every claimant's birth date except Crump's.

While the foregoing points establish the general background and conclusions, I need to discuss the information you provided for each individual to see whether it is from reliable or verifiable sources and is not original research, synthesis or speculation. We need to see what can remain and what must be removed. Some of the material may be useful to support the conclusions previously given in the article, or the conclusions of the writers such as Marvel.

I start my comments on each person with the change made by you to the conclusion about the status of their claims. You changed the status for all but one of the claimants, which you kept the same. A question that must be asked about each claimant is: What do Marvel, Hoar or other writers say about the claim? I will not repeat this except when necessary to discuss the content of the article but it applies to all. You also will recognize that most of the facts I mention below are from your additions to the article.

Felix Witkowski. Debunked changed to Dubious. Only speculation supports the change in status. The Alabama soldier found on the rolls does not have an identical name (different initial) and served in a different unit than the one the claimant says he served in. Persons with the same last name who served in South Carolina and Louisiana regiments have no bearing on this. Presumably a veteran would know the state from which his regiment was recruited.

Thomas Edwin Ross. Unknown to Possible. There is no definitive proof that one of the people of this name who was either born at a date which made him old enough to serve in the Confederate army and that he actually did serve, was one and the same person. There are too many people with this name to verify that the Thomas Ross who lived until March 1952 was a Confederate veteran. His birth in 1850 reduces the chances as well. You correctly write: "As others named Thomas Ross were also Kentucky Confederate cavalrymen, these details are not enough to verify him..." Listing him as possible rather than leaving the status as unknown or no evidence is at best a stretch. Some brief mention of the various people with this name making it hard to verify his status from the available evidence could be added but I would hesitate to do so because no conclusion other than unknown or no evidence is really supported.

Richard William Cumpston. The no evidence conclusion remains the same. There is no need to add anything. The first new sentence adds nothing to the identification; that a Union soldier had the same name is not relevant to a Confederate claim.

William Loudermilk. No evidence to probable. The evidence does not support Loudermilk being a probable oldest Confederate veteran because there is no proof that he served in the army at all. Also, there is an indication in the birth date column that he may have been too young to have served. His claim is largely stated in the 'Couch genealogy web site' by a Mike Polston, who is otherwise unidentified. He supports Loudermilk's story despite the problems he himself raised. Also, Polston's narrative does not appear to be very credible. Loudermilk supposedly joined up, from his home in North Carolina, "after he had witnessed the burning of Southern property by the invading army under the command of General William Sherman." He could not have witnessed such burning if he fought at Chattanooga as stated by Polston because this was before the Atlanta campaign and the March to the Sea. Moreover, Sherman did not reach North Carolina until the last weeks of the war. The 6th North Carolina Cavalry Regiment did not fight at any of the battles mentioned in the article. The muster rolls do not support his claim. One cannot presume the claim is correct just because some names could have been or were missing from those rolls. The missing names could have been anybody. That is a perfect cover for an unverifiable claim, that is, what might have been missing. A descendant who states that "he served the CSA" without any documentation is not a reliable source because she has an obvious interest and because the phrase could even mean he served the Confederate States in some capacity, not necessarily in the army. The article states that he could not prove his age or military service. Excuses for this are not verifiable proof. They provide no basis for saying his service status was anything other than "no evidence." It appears to me that his story does not add up to any service at all. His believed birth date in the earlier version of the article is 1851, likely too late to have served.

William Jordan Bush. Probable to Verified. This is interesting because the earlier status in the article does not line up with Marvel's general conclusion. You reference William Joshua Bush as the name under which the record comes up. Do these two names refer to the same person? If not, William Jordan Bush may be unverified. If so, do Marvel or any other source such as Hoar give any information about or analysis of his status? I think some reconciliation of the names is necessary. Also, some explanation of what the main writers on the subject say, if anything, about his status is important. If neither Marvel nor Hoar support Bush's status as probable, much less verified, is there any basis for it available?

Arnold Murray. Debunked to Possible. You list him as possible but you acknowledge that there were others of the same name who served. You suggest that the 1854 birth date was not too young to have served. You state that Confederates had soldiers as young as 11. This is no proof for the service any specific individual. Any soldiers that young were probably drummers and due to the size and weight of weapons of that era, the number of young soldiers under the age of about 16 can either be exaggerated due to legend or wrongly implied to be combat soldiers when they simply performed behind the lines tasks. Historian E. B. Long states that the Union Army only had 1,290 soldiers between the ages of 13 and 15. While the Confederates had a more pressing need for manpower, Breckenridge's reluctance to use the VMI cadets in 1864 is a good indication of Confederate feeling against using underage soldiers. Young children could not have been of much use in combat. Regardless, the argument is too conjectural to support a probable status for this claimant. Certainly Marvel's conclusion would not be in line with it. I think that attendance at a reunion 48 years after the end of the war is not necessarily inconsistent with a person being a fraud because the chance of being recognized as such would be much less with the passage of time and the care about what he said while attending.

William Townsend. Possible to Verified. I cannot tell whether the information you cite refers to the same person who later claimed to be a Confederate veteran. I think it could be used in a footnote to support the claim as possible, but not as verified. Again, I think that Marvel's and perhaps Hoar's conclusions have to be distinguished if they do not come to the same conclusion as to Townsend. We also have here the question of where did the previous "possible" conclusion originate and what was it based on? I think the change in the conclusion may not be supported but even if not, some justification for the possible status could be given if it is based on facts, not inferences and synthesis.

William Albert Kinney. Debunked to Verified. If, as you write ,"Professor Jay S. Hoar presents evidence arguing that Kiney was a genuine veteran in his The South's last Boys in Gray: Last Living Chapter of the American Civil War pages 1700-1703" and that is his conclusion, your change has support. But if Hoar presents both sides and either actually accepts the other conclusion that his claim is debunked or draws no definite conclusion, there seems to be no other reliable source to support the change of Kinney's to verified. Does Marvel say anything specific about him in his magazine article? If so, this will need to be included and distinguished from Hoar's conclusion if it can be done from the two articles. Marvel include him in his blanket debunked conclusion. If the "other side" of the argument that you mention is not Marvel, who is it? Is a spelling difference to the last name crucial to the conclusion, and if so, do the one or more sources mention it in a way that aids the conclusion? Or does it leave the possibility that more than one person is being identified. If the distinction is that there was a real Confederate veteran and an imposter of the same name, does Hoar make that clear? By the time you have gone through your explanation with various expressed doubts or other possibilites, I no longer see the conclusion as verified. If Hoar verifies it, much of the following text should be eliminated. Your final statement that he did not seek a pension so he had no motive to fake his status is simply speculation. Pride alone could have been a motive. Without more, I think that any status other than debunked must be based on Hoar's conclusion, which you do not yet express in detail.

Thomas Riddle. Possible to Verified. Your explanation actually contradicts your conclusion. If Lowry, who researched and wrote about the regiment, doubts Riddle's claim and there are several persons who had that name and might have been the veteran, there is no support for the conclusion that a Thomas Riddle has been verified as a veteran who outlived Crump. In fact, Lowry seems to support a downgrading of the Riddle status to dubious.

William Lundy. Debunked to Unlikely. Your explanation gives no evidence at all to change Lundy's status. It appears to me that your discussion actually supports the original conclusion but that most or all of it is not includible.

John B. Salling. Debunked to Dubious. This is a hard one because the Department of Veterans Affairs apparently continues to support Salling's claim. One problem with Salling's story is that even if he actually did mine for saltpetre and was on standby to be a Home Guard, there appears to be no evidence that he was actually enrolled in a Confederate army unit. He had no uniform and apparently never came close to combat. Perhaps with an explanation and a citation to the Department of Veteran Affairs page, a change in the conclusion could be justified or at least it would be reasonable to note it even if there is no reason to view it as conclusive. Again, Hoar and Marvel must be mentioned and distinguished if possible because presumably they reject the conclusion that Salling was a legitimate veteran.

Walter W. Williams. Debunked to Dubious. It is difficult to see how Washington's status can be changed when many sources, including Hoar and Marvel and Serrano apparently, consider his claim to have been debunked. Hoar may state the other side's argument with some open mindedness but does he actually conclude that Williams may have been a veteran or is he just explaining why others might still think so?

With respect to Townsend and Kinney, in particular, you may have some material that can support the possibility of their claim being something more than debunked. Factual material may be usefully included for any of the claimants if stated in terms of facts established by reliable sources without the original analysis and synthesis. Readers must draw their own conclusions if sources simply state some facts or possibilites unless the sources draw conclusions. None of them do make such conclusions as near as I can tell, but you do attribute a possible conclusion to Hoar that might be important if it can be supported with direct language from Hoar.

Some writers would put the type of information under review into the text but I think your approach here is better under the circumstances. It allows the text, which is the general discussion, to remain mostly the same and without controversial statements. You can provide appropriate additional information without analysis or speculation in the footnotes for the readers' consideration.

So I think some room for explanation and reference to the few other available secondary sources is available. The information that remains after the synthesis and speculation are removed should be written more like a report on existing information rather than an analysis and conclusions based on a sythesis of the researched sources.

I am sorry that this explanation and analysis has reached this length. I am also sorry to have to trouble you with this. I would not do so if I did not appreciate your work and think that at least a part of it can be included in the article. Also, I think that if you can come up with answers to some of the questions I have asked with reference to the sources, that may prove to be added as well. I must say that I have to reach the conclusion that as admirable as your work might be, much of it simply does not fit within the guidelines I set out above.

I don't expect you to respond or to change everything in a day or two. But I think it is only fair to say I do not believe that the article can remain as it is indefinitely. I think that you can either respond to me or set to work on making changes. If we can not work this out, along with any other interested editors, I may edit the article. I don't want to have an edit war whether I edit it once or not. The next step would be to put something like this message on the talk page and to solicit other views. If that did not resolve the issue, some neutral administrator might need to resolve it after notification, possibly on the appropriate notice board. If nothing happens, I will ask you later in the month about the status of this.

Again, I appreciate your effort and your industry in coming up with some interesting arguments. Donner60 (talk) 07:24, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

You have done very well with this draft. As previously stated, I have only a passing interest in this subject and have never gone into researching the various claims. My only concern was there appeared to be a mass of well-meaning "original research", which is against Wikipedia policy. I'm in favour (favor!) of you sending it to the latest IP address, although based on previous experience - I doubt if there will be a reply. I really do believe an administrator should be involved, either now or in a few weeks time. Many thanks and best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I will place it on the IP's talk page. Thanks for your comments. As you can see, the article was not perfect and there were some open questions. So I think there is room for some work by the IP user, but not close to the amount of material he put in the text and not in the way he phrased it. This approach gives him the benefit of some praise for useful work and a detailed explanation of the policy and of the problems with his work. Although I spent too much time on this, I think it will put the matter on a clearer basis for further participants. Donner60 (talk) 22:38, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
I placed the message on the user talk page on September 10. No edits have been made from that IP address or to the article since that date. I thought I might place the message on the user's mobile IP address from which he made many of his edits. I saw that it must be a dynamic address or he was editing from various places because there were several changes in it. So I did not place the message again. I noticed that at first the user was referring to the work of a certain person. I tracked that down and saw the person was a contributor to find a grave and popped up in one or two more places online. It seems he is an amateur researcher doing his own work. I doubt it is the same person but I think he is not a reliable source. That explains some of the changes. Another IP had posted an objection on the talk page in July. I did not see it but today left a message that we had cautioned the user and I had recently left a long message for him. I plan to revert the original research and perhaps make a few changes to the article within about a week since the message has been posted 12 days already and a few more days should be enough allowance of time for a reply. Although I am interested in American Civil War history, I too have only a passing interest in this obscure subject. Nonetheless, the original research and speculation should be removed even though it has taken some time to do it carefully and with some consideration. Donner60 (talk) 21:57, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I have started a new version of the article without reference to the existing version or older versions. I will make a comparison with the current content before I post a new version for the purpose of not inadvertently deleting anything significant. I assume it will be about the same length as the current article because there are only a few reliable sources. I intend to include as many citations as possible to head off disputes. I have a large collection of books on the American Civil War, including one of Marvel's books. I may stop at the library within the next few days to see if I can read a copy of Marvel's magazine article, and perhaps look at the Hoar and Serrano books if the library has copies of those books. It is an obscure topic of limited interest but keeping such original research as now corrupts the article out of Wikipedia is the point despite the expenditure of time which could be spent on more important content. Donner60 (talk) 09:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for all your efforts, look forward to seeing revised article. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 11:28, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

At last I have posted a completely revised version of the article based on reliable, verifiable secondary sources and removed the unsourced statements, original research, speculation and statements based on questionably accurate sources such as blogs, find-a-grave and online genealogies. If you think anything needs to be clarified or changed further, please make the change or let me know. Donner60 (talk) 08:09, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for the long delay in replying, but I have been away for a week. Thank you for all your efforts, I see nothing wrong with your revised version, although I do think we will have to keep a watch on the article in case of further unsourced or OR edits. Many thanks and regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 16:56, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
No problem. I have been away for a few days as well. I appreciate your review.
I might add that the Blue & Gray magazine is not available at any local library so I could not read Marvel's original article. Hoar's book and Serrano's book are available at two different libraries, each about 15 miles in different directions from my home. I wish I had the extra details but I think I have enough from Marvel's books and other sources. A few of those sources provide some quotes or material from these sources, and I have duly attributed the quotes to them. Reviews appear to indicate that Serrano's conclusions are in line with Marvel's. Hoar may have a few differences but I note that "Volume 3" of Hoar's work seems to be a revised version of his original work. Only our original researcher quotes his work in support of one or two claimants, although I read Marvel's reference to Hoar to imply that Hoar might support one of the claims.
I put the footnote in about the web site which states that Marvel did not express an opinion on each claimant. He certainly discredits them all in his later works and the web site only implies that one of the claimants in particular might be legitimate and does not definitely support any of them. The web site has the table of names, but that may have come from an earlier version of the article. I thought I should include this to prevent someone from bringing up the source and distorting it. I removed the status column because I can not determine where any conclusions other than debunked (or maybe no evidence) may have originated and leaving it in the article is only likely to produce the type of changes we are trying to avoid.
I would not be surprised if all the sources of any note at all which touch on this topic have been included in the revision.
The user who worked on it also included a few others but if I did not include them I considered them of little help or questionable reliability. That indicates to me this is a topic of minor interest and few, if any, other sources exist or are likely to be produced.
You are right that this will need to be monitored because the person or few people interested in changing the conclusions well may be back. Donner60 (talk) 04:07, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
You spoke too soon, they have already been back - see my edit on the article yesterday (Sunday) Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 07:46, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

West Country DialectsEdit

I posted this on my talk page already, but here you go:

If you want West Country dialects to be unnecessarily wordy, difficult to read and difficult to understand for the average person, that's fine with me. The average person would not understand that article, or at least not the phonology section, as it stands now. The same is true of many Wikipedia articles about varieties of English. But do what you want. It doesn't bother me. There's more to my life than this.

P.S. Looking at the history of West Country dialects, I see that one "Wolfdog" has made many edits to that article in the past few months without citing any sources; yet neither you nor anyone else undid any of those edits or left a "threatening" comment on his talk page. Why is that? I'm just curious. (talk) 09:44, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Frankly, you have already stated "There's more to my life than this", so I cannot see why you have again raised this subject. You mention "Wolfdog" contributions, as I see it their latest contributions contain the appropriate references. Your editing history in Wikipedia hardly appears to be constructive and you need to explain any constructive(?) edits you make. The comment I made was not threatening, but just a response to your edit and poor editing history. Case closed. David J Johnson (talk) 10:15, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I can raise this subject again if I choose to. There's still more to my life than this. I don't think Wolfdog cited sources for all of his edits, but in any case, my point still stands about West Country dialects (and most articles about varieties of English on this website) being impossible to understand for the vast majority of people. I can understand them just fine, but I'm talking about most people. The International Phonetic Alphabet is just not something the vast majority of people, educated or not, know.
My (and the people who share this computer with me's) editing history should be irrelevant. The only thing that should be relevant when I edit an article is whether or not I cite my sources. The same standard should apply to everyone, whether they're "logged in" or not. But from what I've seen here, it doesn't seem like it does. That's what bothers me. If you say that making unsourced edits is wrong, then it should be wrong no matter who does it. As long as that's the case, I'm happy. Even if I had made a silly edit or two in the past, that would in no way prove that I was incapable of making serious, constructive ones. I didn't feel threatened by your comment at all. I never feel threatened by comments from Wikipedians or anyone else on the internet for that matter. Good day to you. (talk) 11:41, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
I did go back and insert the citations that I had previously forgotten to include. Hope that helps. I agree that that's something we should all be doing. Wolfdog (talk) 12:11, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Ted BundyEdit

What do you mean by your edit summary, "not an improvement"? I think it's quite a bit clearer. [3] Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:15, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Quite simply, your edits are not an improvement to a featured article, only your own POV. There are far too many references to "Bundy" in your "revisions". Take your comments to the article Talk page for discussion and not here. If you must use my Talk page, please contribute in the correct place. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 22:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry I posted in the wrong place here; I was just about to move my comments when you replied. My comments are about your reversions, not about the article or its content so they belong here. The copy-edit was requested here. Since I don't intend to edit war with you, or with anyone else on that article, I'm now abandoning my c/e. I'll revert all of my changes to the version before I started yesterday. I want no further involvement with it. Regards, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 22:39, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
I think it is sad that improvements can not be made simply because a few users wants to keep the articles in the shape that "they find to be the best". I mean come on.... You do not own the article, it is a public article. If you dont like the edits of a GOCE member you could bring it up at the talk page before reverting them. But that does perhaps not work in your mind?--BabbaQ (talk) 22:46, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
No-one owns the article, but the edits were not a "improvement" to a featured article with numerous duplications of "Bundy". As I have previously said, it is a pity that this was not discussed on the article Talk page. Also, please do not attempt to read my mind - let us be civil here. Case closed, David J Johnson (talk) 23:00, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Several of us -- including user:Diannaa, a GOCE coordinator, and myself (a GOCE member) worked very hard on this article in the process of getting it to GA status. Granted that no article is "perfect"; but there are thousands of articles in dire need of a good c/e; the Bundy article, with all respect, is not one of them -- and it certainly is not in need of wholesale substitution of "Bundy" for pronouns, as David pointed out. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 23:08, 27 October 2014 (UTC)



With respect, both terms terms are not equally correct. M16 is a populism that the service has acknowledged but clearly as an unofficial term. MI6 only had brief official currency during WW2. On their website they clearly say: "Although the title fell into official disuse it remains in common use outside SIS". Note emphasis on 'outside SIS', with SIS being the service's own term for itself in those very words.

The organisation clearly does not view it as anything other than a popular term. Wikipedia articles are encyclopedic and should be using the correct terminology. It also makes no sense to use M16 as if the official name in this section when the rest of the article uses the correct SIS.

Lewvalton (talk) 13:41, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, please place your contribution in the correct place and NOT under footnotes. Also please do not lecture me on Wikipedia being "encyclopedic", I have been here long enough to know what we stand for. Both MI5 and MI6 have incorporated these names into their official logos and the above names are used by all sections of the media, including the BBC. HM Government's various websites also include MI5, MI6 in the logos. The result of your logic is that all references to MI5 should changed to "Security Service", clearly unnecessary - as is your edit. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 14:02, 26 November 2014 (UTC)


My apologies for the misplacing, I'm not sure how I did that! As for the matter under discussion, I wrote my note to you in a perfectly civil manner, so there is no need for an intemperate reply. I was not lecturing you at all, simply stressing that the encyclopedic aspect must surely place most emphasis on using the correct terms over popularisms, however well known. SIS's logo has MI6 in a clearly subordinate position. Their website throughout makes it very clear that their official and prefered name is SIS/Secret Intelligence Service. And, yes, there is a very good case for changing primary (my emphasis) use of MI5 within articles to Security Service within an encyclopedia such as this, as the same relationship between the two terms applies, although the use of MI5 has much longer currency So my edit was not certainly clearly unnecessary. You haven't argued why this one section should use MI6 when the article overall stresses the offical name. It seems incongruous when reading.

Lewvalton (talk) 14:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Suggest your read the article text again as MI6 is mentioned. MI6 is part of the logo and is not in "subordinate position", as others have also told you. My reply was not "intemperate"; just a reply to your rather pompous manner. That is not the way we operate at Wikipedia. Could I also respectfully suggest you check your contributions before posting - apart from placing them in the wrong position - there are spelling mistakes (or should I say "mastikes"?) Case closed. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 15:03, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I have to agree with David here. As I have pointed out on my talk page on the exact same topic, the service states twice on their own homepage that they are "often known as MI6". This text is supported by the use of MI6 as one of the elements of their logo. I am all for encyclopaedic exactitude, but where hairs are needlessly split for the sake of it it goes beyond being reasonably constructive. - SchroCat (talk) 15:18, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough; I was simply making my case, and I would stand by it not be a case of splitting hairs, but I do see your point about the service's usage of it within the logo and elsewhere, and will leave it be at that. No lecturing or any other such intended at all, apologies if it came across that way. Regards, Lewvalton (talk) 18:33, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you and regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 18:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

And now...Edit

Many thanks PCW (Cissie) and to you too. Best regards, David (Ada), David J Johnson (talk) 20:05, 2 January 2015 (UTC)


  You've been invited to be part of WikiProject Cosmology

Hello. Your contributions to Wikipedia have been analyzed and it seems that this new Wikiproject would be interesting to you. I hope you can contribute to it by expanding the main page and later start editing the articles in its scope. Make sure to check out the Talk page for more information! Cheers

Tetra quark (talk) 20:23, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


For helping out at WP:MED :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:22, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy anniversary!Edit

  ...and many more, David. 48 years -- wow -- I'm at 37, although it does feel like 48 sometimes...:-) DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 15:26, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank so much DoctorJoeE, very much appreciated. Look forward to working with you as always. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 10:01, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

That's most of my life you've been a married man. Congrats!--MONGO 14:03, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks MONGO. Look forward to working with you again. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 18:46, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Stone circleEdit

The links were deleted because I'd just added a navbox with the links in them. Of course we can duplicate the navbox, but it's rather a lot of links. Up to you. --Bermicourt (talk) 21:41, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Bermicourt, I think it would be best to leave as my recent reversion. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:44, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Arecibo messageEdit

Hi David, I noticed your revert on Arecibo message. Actually, the reflector on the Arecibo telescope is spherical, not parabolic, so the edit was probably good. I think to state that the message portrays a parabolic reflector would need a source. MidnightBlue (Talk) 19:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you MidnightBlue, I tend to agree with what you have said, although I thought it was parabolic. My concern was that the edit was made without any explanation or references/sources. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
No problem. I wonder whether "curved reflector" would be adequate. I haven't found anywhere that specifies the nature of the reflector in the binary pattern. And maybe reflector rather than mirror? Feel free to move this conversation to the article talk page if you think it would help. MidnightBlue (Talk) 22:30, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Pardon me for butting in, but I wrote a piece about the Arecibo telescope some years ago when my son was at Cornell (which ran the facility until recently). It is indeed spherical, because it has to be. Most radio-telescopes are parabolic; they are steered by moving the entire dish until its axis and its fixed-position receiver are aligned with the target. But Arecibo's dish is immovable -- it's simply too big to move -- so if it were a parabola, it would only be accurate when the target was directly overhead. To aim at targets off the vertical, only the receiver can be moved, and a spherical reflector allows uniform reception over the entire range of the receiver's movement. Further, in my completely unsolicited opinion, "reflector" is preferable to "mirror" when describing any radio-telescope, and "sphere" is preferable to "curved" in this article because the specific (spherical) shape is an important distinction in describing this particular receiver. For whatever any of this is worth. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 05:02, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
DoctorJoeE, Your contribution is, as always, welcome. Must confess, I'm getting confused - must be my age. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:05, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Aren't we all (getting old, confused)? DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 13:43, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Re revert of my edit to Ted BundyEdit

Hi David J Johnson.

Re your revert of my edit to Ted Bundy, the 2 links are not central to the article obviously but certainly don't seem to me to detract from the article. I tend to revert your revert but will await your response.DadaNeem (talk) 19:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Quite simply and as already mentioned, they do not add anything to the Ted Bundy article, and are just overlinking. There have been plenty of additions to this article which have been reversed because they have not been central or relevant to the subject. Several editors have worked extremely hard to get the article to its present condition and I have no wish, and will take action, to "edits" that are not in any way useful additions to the subject. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 23:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


Looking at the minor edit scuffle at Buckinghamshire from the outside, I have to say I agree with the reversions. The material you added certainly has merit and should appear somewhere, but it is far too detailed for the lede. Might I suggest you find somewhere more appropriate in the body? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:37, 24 February 2015 (UTC),

Hello John, I tend to agree with you. It was not material I added, it was already there. What I did object to was the arrogance of the "editor", who has a very poor history, deleting it. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 16:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Strange as it may seem, when I wrote that I hesitated, thinking 'why am I doing this? Surely the editor who chopped it is the one who should be doing it?' But I continued in appreciation of your recognition that there is more to Buckinghamshire than Bucks Co Council. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 01:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Reverts on Wow! signal and Wow (recording)Edit

Why did you revert my edits to Wow! signal and Wow (recording)]? They are two pages titled "Wow", so why not put an {{about}} template to disambiguate them? --Hexware (talk) 17:12, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Quite simply, because there is a world of difference between the Wow! signal page and Wow (recording) and in any case the Wow! signal was not recorded - only shown on the printout that Jerry found some days later. Disambiguation just isn't needed. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:51, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Last Surviving Confederate VeteransEdit

I just logged on. Thanks for catching this so promptly. I look at this article occasionally. I am sorry we have to deal with this again. I hope a few reverts will discourage this guy for awhile. Donner60 (talk) 23:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

The Battle of Ia DrangEdit

Why did you revert [4]?

Simply because there was no reason, or explanation for the revert, which is against Wikipedia policy. also the "edits" appeared to be propaganda on behalf on the Vietnamese government - against Wikipedia policy of neutrality. If you are going to post on my Talk page, please head your contribution properly and sign your post. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 21:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Re: Human raceEdit

In regards to this revert, I believe MightySaiyan's change was appropriate. The term "human race" has definitely fallen out of favor and is seen as archaic due to the connotations of "race" and it's misuse over the last several centuries. In fact, the term "race" has fallen entirely out of favor as there is simply no such thing. This is explained in our article on Race (human classification). Viriditas (talk) 09:24, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I still feel "race" describes the situation better. The article you mention is entirely a few editors point of view and I see no evidence that the term has fallen out of favour here. However, I am not standing on ceremony on this point - revert back if you wish. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 09:35, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello David J Johnson. This is a message to tell you why I'm removing content which is objectionable from the film, The Searchers (film).Edit

Rape is non-consensual sex and sex is generally associated with love and emotions, not with violence. Sexual violence is impossible. For films and television programs, it's not likely to be acceptable, it's questionable, it's morally violent. Besides, there is no rape scene and the DVD cover of the film is rated U. (talk) 20:16, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Your edits are POV and not backed-up by references/sources, which is against Wikipedia policy. In the case of The Searchers (film) rape is implied by Brad's question and Ethan's answer. You appear to have a unhealthy obsession with rape in films and your edits from various IP addresses will continue to be reverted by registered editors wherever they may occur. My advice to you is to stop your "edits" or you may find all the IP's you use blocked. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 20:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The Searchers (film). Implied Rape.Edit

I think Lucy wasn't raped. I think the Indians just murdered Lucy and took her dress just after they killed her, before Ethan found her dead, wrapped her in his blanket and buried her. When Brad saw a buck wearing Lucy's dress and thought it was Lucy and Ethan told her what really happened to her, I think Brad's two questions were going to be 'Did they kill her?' and 'Was she killed?'. (talk) 18:13, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

That is purely conjecture on your part and, once again, it is POV on your part. Your POV is not backed-up by all the reviews and books on the subject. As other editors have told you Wikipedia is not censored and your many edits are trying to do just that. I repeat that your alterations will continue to be reverted and if you continue the various IPs you edit from will be blocked. That is the end of my conversation with you. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 21:32, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


I would like to apologize, on our behalf, for the recent mass edits from our IP. Someone within was trying to put out mis-information in order to cheat on a trivia contest for Taylor Swift tickets. Sad, I know. Thank you for reverting them back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:29, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks and this may helpEdit

Thanks for the ping thanks D. You have already seen my edit and you may already be aware of this so apologies if I am repeating stuff. When reporting IPs (or named users for that matter) if you use this template {{user|XXXXX}} this allows other editors to access their talk page and contributions right away. That way they don't have to use the search function to track them down. If you have any questions feel free to post here as I have your talk page on my watchlist.Let me also add a big THANKS for all you are doing to track this person from Northern Ireland. They are deeply disturbed or they are trolling WikiP. In either case your vigilance is much appreciated. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:15, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Just contributed to your Talk page. Must confess I was so cross that I completely forgot to add this template. Wife, Susie, is now attempting to calm me down with a glass of wine!! Seriously, I am very concerned by this person's views, but apart from reverting these strange edits there is little we can do? Thank you for all your help and regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:26, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
You are so correct about how disturbing that person is. Congrats to Susie. She has chosen an excellent cure! I am going with a nice Pinot Grigio this evening. Enjoy the week ahead!! MarnetteD|Talk 22:13, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Zodiac MurdersEdit

Thanks for your input. Just thought that the category Murder in California was incomplete, as these murders are known for taking place in California.
You will note that very specific categories exist for the page Zodiac Killer, such as History of Napa County, California / News stories in Riverside County, California / Vallejo, California / History of Riverside, California / Criminals of the San Francisco Bay Area / Crimes in the San Francisco Bay Area.
I leave it to you to estimate if my proposition of a broader category should also be included.
ACiD88 (talk) 15:24, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello and thank you for your contribution. My personal view is that there are far too many categories in this article and therefore this should be deleted. However, you may wish to take this matter up on the article Talk page to obtain other editors views. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 15:59, 4 June 2015 (UTC)


Thank you for your clarification of the two Thomas Hardy's. However , the factual information content is still a valid contribution and has been reinstated. I refer you to study WP:OWN. Billy from Bath (talk) 12:37, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for improving my contribution to the lede. The skatepark location is now correct. Billy from Bath (talk) 17:03, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Accusing a good faith experienced editor of ownership, just because your errors are being corrected, is not civil or wise.Charles (talk) 08:59, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
I have reinstated my original comments to this talk page after this edit was made to remove them.[5]. Good faith "errors" were not being corrected but entirely removed. What other comment would be appropriate for four different edit reversions in a row?.Billy from Bath (talk) 09:21, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
The truth of this matter is that factual, spelling and grammar errors were being made to the Dorchester, Dorset article, without any references or sources: that is why they were removed. I would also remind this "editor" that it is entirely proper for a editor to remove content from their Talk page and it is edit warring to reinstate them. Thank you Charles for your entirely correct comments. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 12:14, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
This can only be a matter of opinion, not based on recorded facts. I have "edited" Wikipedia under various pseudonyms for 6 years. Made 3,270 (so far undeleted) edits with an average of 500 characters each entry. I have no need for confirmaation of my ability as an "editor" here. Billy from Bath (talk) 19:55, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Unlike you, I have no need for "pseudonyms", nor do I need "confirmaation" of your ability. Once again you are confirming your inability to edit by your various mistakes. I have already stated that my contribution above was my final comment to you. Please respect this, if you continue you may well find yourself blocked for your attitude and numerous errors. Please stop. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 23:06, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
This contributor has survived seven decades on this planet and is currently recovering from a Cerebral hemorrhage resuling in a half body stroke and eye defects caused by type 2 diabetes and as a result has decided to cease contributing to this project. Billy from Bath (talk) 10:52, 7 June 2015 (UTC) This contributor is also known as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Francis_E_Williams. Billy from Bath (talk) 11:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Good, you have been blocked anyway for being a sockpuppet account. David J Johnson (talk) 12:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)


David, did the e-mail come from Brandywine589 or OldGoat589? And when? If you look at Brandywine's block log, you'll see I terminated his ability to use Wikipedia to send e-mail about 20 hours ago before I received your e-mail. I can do the same for his puppet, but I'd prefer not to unless needed. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:24, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello Bbb23, Apologies for the delay in replying, but I have been away for the weekend. The email was sent by Brandwine589 on 24 June, the actual email address is paboyne@gmail.com. I have totally ignored the content from this guy, who is obviously disturbed. Regards, David


Why did you undo this? [6] I don't see any good reason for the redirect. WP:MOSLINK doesn't require link extensions but they are standard practice. Kendall-K1 (talk) 11:07, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Oops, I should have looked before asking. Kendall-K1 (talk) 11:09, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
Please don't worry, it was my fingers touching the wrong spot - now going to sit in a darkened room! Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 15:00, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Hands to the decksEdit

Look who's back: Talk:Licence_to_Kill#Questionable_word and Talk:Lois_Lane#Questionable_word_-_Superman:_Kal. We will have to keep an eye on him. Betty Logan (talk) 21:03, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello Betty, Thanks for the tip. Will keep a close eye on all the various films this strange person has edited. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:12, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello Betty Logan. In case you didn't know Ponyo is aware of this problem editor and we have been talking with Ponyo here User talk:Ponyo#Problem is back. Feel free to report this person whenever they pop up to Ponyo. As ever thanks to your both for your vigilance. MarnetteD|Talk 21:28, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello again folks, Ponyo has blocked the latest IP. Please keep watching the relevent films. Susie is serving me another glass of wine to keep me calm!! Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:45, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
I want to send as many thanks to Susie for her taking care of you as I do to you for taking care of WikiP's articles. Cheers to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 22:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Bless you MarnetteD. Best regards, David (and Susie), David J Johnson (talk) 22:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know an admin is on it. I have updated the "crime" log at User talk: The addresses seem to be spread all over the UK so I don't think there is much chance of a range block. Betty Logan (talk) 09:37, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello Betty, In fact all the "contributions" from the rape addict come from a very small area of the UK, namely south of Belfast in Northern Ireland. Ponyo has stated that any further posts from this strange person will be regarded as block evasion. With best regards and thanks for all your help. David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:49, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello David. Yesterday I proposed a slight change in how we are tracking this problem editor. See the conversation here User talk:Betty Logan#For you consideration. As you can see we are now adding any new IPs to the list here (talk · contribs). I hope that you have a delightful weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 19:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks MarnetteD, I'm still keeping a eye on all of this. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 18:32, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi, Isn't Radio Farda website a reliable source, either? BTW,would you please show me the policy stating that Wikipedias are so unreliable that data referenced to them must be wiped? Thanks. Maadikhah (talk) 20:36, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Quite simply, anyone can edit Wikipedia and that does not mean that the information is correct. It is generally accepted that Wikipedia is not quoted as a source. Regarding Radio Farda,no radio station was mentioned in your source note. Your edit and pic seemed to have a bias towards Iran, which is unnecessary. Case closed. David J Johnson (talk) 20:43, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Please tell me if the station's website is good enough to be used as a reference. I knew it was not mentioned in my edit. It's your opinion that there's a 'bias' and if or not it is necessary. Users are allowed to ask you questions in your talk page, whatever the topic is. What do you mean by 'Case closed'? Are you the General Attorney of the project? :)Maadikhah (talk) 20:52, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
I'll add the information again with good references. I've been editing Wikipedia since 2011 and I know what a source is. However, thanks for your reply.Maadikhah (talk) 20:56, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
You need to read WP:SOURCES and WP:NOENG with regard to your edits. All your comments should be on the article Talk page and not here. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 21:05, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
We cannot cross reference from one language wiki to another. We are not a reliable source for ourselves. I'm not sure we can even prove that image you added is related to the events of 9/11.--MONGO 03:34, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

Changing the Ted Bundy articleEdit

When someone is executed by decree of a court with jurisdiction over the proceding in accordance with the standing state constitution, it is a Judicially sanctioned execution, not a Homicide. Bundy commiting homicide was why he got to ride the lightning so to speak. That's why it was changed. Have you personally reviewed his death certificate? Personally I could really care less what some Medical Examiner put on a death certificate. A homicide is a malicious criminal act. A judicially sanctioned execution obviously does not fall into the category.

Robert J Riley Ksryengr (talk) 21:20, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Firstly, your comments should be on the Ted Bundy Talk page and not here. Secondly, the death certificate, which I have seen, is quite clear in the cause of death and that is what is quoted on the article - regardless of your personal view. I suggest that you accept the consensus that editors have agreed on. David J Johnson (talk) 21:25, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Andromeda GalaxyEdit

Hi there, I just wanted let you know that I've removed the {{citation need}} tag you recently implemented on Andromeda Galaxy as the content in-question was already cited in the infobox under the "size" parameter. If you have any questions regarding this feel free to ask on my talk page. Cheers! -- Chamith (talk)

Many thanks, I missed that. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 18:40, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Moors murdersEdit

Hi David. Which parts do you think were " unsourced, unreferenced"? It looked like stylistic changes to me. Some might even argue, stylistic improvements. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello Martin, Just seemed to me that various statements were not referenced. As you will know, this article has been subject to many changes and I did not feel these changes improved the article. However, I'm not standing on ceremony if you wish to improve. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 20:44, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
The only new statement added seems to be that the house move by Maureen and David Smith was on 23rd Hindley's birthday. I can't actually check that, as I don't have a copy of the Ritchie book to hand. But not sure why anyone would make that up. That ip seems to have made useful improvements to other articles? They look like improvements to me, in terms of tightening the prose and correcting punctuation. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Martin, I agree with your sentiments. I too do not have a copy of the Ritchie book, so cannot check that statement. Quite happy for you to revert, if you feel strongly enough. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Perhaps Parrot of Doom will do us a favour and check for us in his copy. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:18, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Or perhaps he won't. But just to let you know, Lee (2010) says, on page 187: "On 23rd July 1965 - Myra's 23rd birthday - Maureen and Dave moved to Hattersley". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
OK Martin. Thank you. David J Johnson (talk) 21:25, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
Great to get your support... before I revert and face the full onslaught of the Manchester Posse.... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 8 September 2015 (UTC)
[7] Wow. Four whole minutes that time! You're now reverting because they were "edits by unregistered IP"?? I'd agree that the pinterset source about "stabbing Hindley to death" was not really good enough and somwhat biased. But, yet again, most of those changes were simply uncontroversial copy edits and style improvements?? Where's the POV in that exactly? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
Hello Martin, If you look at this unregistered IP's recent contributions, you will see there is a host of POV and biased contributions. I do not agree that the edits were "uncontroversial". Happy to see other registered editors comments. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 00:02, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I looked too. I still think most of those edits to Moors murders were improvements. Personally, I'd have tripped out that pinterest POV that had been "smuggled in". Martinevans123 (talk) 00:08, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
I trust you also check the other addresses this "editor" has used:- (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log), they are full of unsourced and POV edits. We will have to agree to disagree on the Moors Murders "edits" Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 00:12, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
Maybe your denial of editing was justified for POV elsewhere. I thought all edits had to be treated on a case-by-case basis? I was looking only at that one article, and most of the "edits" looked like considered improvements. It's a shame your reversion looked, to me, like a knee-jerk reaction. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Hollis graveEdit

Thank you for your support re Roger Hollis. I have just put the material back, adding this comment on Talk:-

Thanks. It has been more than a month without any comment in the other direction so I have reverted.

We can assume the other editor will remove the para again now, perhaps you might keep an eye out. Testbed (talk) 06:08, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello Testbed many thanks for your message. I totally support your action and will certainly keep an eye on any changes to the article. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:38, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

John FordEdit

Mr. Johnson:

Your revert of my minor edit at John Ford's site and the one-word rationale you provided are both inaccurate and rude. His religion isn't referenced anywhere else in the article, therefore, to link "Roman Catholic" to "Catholic Church" is no more an example of "overlinking" than the existing link of "Commander" to the Wiki article that elaborates on that naval rank. My addition of the link was objective - beyond reproach. Your revert was subjective - made with rude autonomy.

I'm reinserting the link. If you feel otherwise, please contact me on my talk page so we can discuss the matter. If you revert again without first inviting a conversation, I'll look forward to inviting an Editor to weigh in on the matter, for certainly you have a long and troubling record of treating other Wikipedians with similar disdain.

Dave Peters (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Mr. Johnson:

I beg your pardon. After re-reading "Early life" for John Ford, I see that his Roman Catholicism is referenced in the last paragraph of that heading. I do apologize. Nevertheless, don't you agree that the reference is oblique insofar as it concerns the supposed difficulty his Roman Catholicism may have presented with respect the validity of his marriage and the pursuit of other romances? As an aside, the many footnoted observations questioning Ford's Catholicity are generally misleading and ungermane. That Peter Bogdanovich had any idea of how often Ford attended Mass is ridiculous; and even if he did, Mass attendance is not the sole measure of one's commitment to the Catholic faith. Additionally, Mary (McBride) Ford may have had her prior marriage annulled (we certainly don't know, do we?), thereby removing the suggested complication that is only vaguely footnoted with "Christianity Today." Lastly, extramarital affairs do not speak to one's Catholicity - rather, they speak to the Catholic Church's view of sin, which the Church both expects and provides redress.

I believe the Wikilink to "Catholic Church" in the bio box is proper; however, if you feel otherwise, I won't protest a second revert removing the link.

Dave Peters (talk) 17:20, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Apology accepted with thanks. However, this conversation should have been on the article Talk page and not here. The link in the info box is unnecessary for the reasons you have given. Regarding John Ford's life, I have no further comment to make. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:33, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Portland StoneEdit

Re: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portland_stone&oldid=684775306&diff=prev I agree the sentence probably read better before my change, but the "although" is what gave me pause. Does that word not indicate to you in that context that Portland stone is not oolitic limestone? While the "Geological information" section clearly indicates that "...countless billions of these balls, known as "ooids" or "ooliths" (from the Greek for "egg-shaped" or "egg-stone"), became partially cemented together (or lithified) by more calcite, to form the oolitic limestone we now call Portland Stone." Now that I look at it again, I should have left the "the" in after my "and" when I made the change. But I guess the entire assertion that Oxford typically does use oolitic limestone in its building construction is unsourced, and therefore could be removed, anyway. What do you think? ≈≈Carolfrog≈≈♦тос♦ 21:25, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Frankly the paragraph could be removed, as you rightly say it is unsourced and not of major interest. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:58, 8 October 2015 (UTC)


In parallel to the block request, you may want to add any articles (which have been subject to disruption) to this protection thread. Guliolopez (talk) 10:20, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


Cla68 is not worth feeding. The only time he shows up is to defend some CT nutcase.--MONGO 11:51, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

"Finally solved"Edit

ABC News is reliable. They have an official YouTube channel. The title is just meant to attraction attention, like the titles of the books cited, and means nothing. Think you should revert your edit. Cheers, Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 22:00, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but no. It is only your personal view that "the title is just meant to attraction (sic) attention". The case is not "finally solved" and the "reference" you made should not be there. Suggest you wait for the views other editors who have consistantly contributed to this article, before any final decision. Frankly, if you want to be an administrator at some date - you will have to adjust your views and show a little humility. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 22:08, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
A further and final thought. On your User page you state that ABC (and the BBC) are stating "propaganda crap" and yet above you're saying they are reliable. It can't be both. David J Johnson (talk) 22:35, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
Feel like this is getting a little personal... Anyway, my personal view on the ABC and BBC has nothing to do with what Wikipedia defines as reliable material; that would be a conflict of interest. Jonas Vinther • (Click here to collect your price!) 23:24, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)Even if the YT page can be regarded as reliable it is not a stable source. Such pages are constantly changing. It would be giving undue weight to a single source to base such a bold claim on it.Charles (talk) 17:55, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

ANI postEdit

Hi David, you just accidentally removed some posts when adding yours: [8]. Could you please self-revert and add your comment? Nick-D (talk) 00:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Nick, Apologies. Reverted as requested. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 00:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Please be careful!Edit

Your addition of a comment on the AN/I thread about Jonas Vinther accidentally deleted the comments of three other people. I have restored them. BMK (talk) 00:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello BMK, Apologies for this. It appears several of us were all editing together. Thanks for your restoration. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:43, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

NI updateEdit

Hello D. I hope that you are well and enjoying the lengthening nights. I wanted to let you know that out NI problem has moved in a couple new directions. First they are posting things on the Talk:Gilmore Girls that, while different from their old obsession, are still inappropriate. They have also moved (in at least this one instance) to a ref desk Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment#The Magnificent Seven Ride: Questionable scene. I know you will note that the language is exactly the same as before. Sickening and sad. Best wishes to you and Susie always. MarnetteD|Talk 15:57, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello MarnetteD, I did pick these "edits" up earlier and have left a note for Ponyo. Many thanks for your message. Susie joins with me in sending our best to you, just opened a bottle of wine!! As ever, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:58, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Comments on AN/IEdit

David: Every time you've commented on the Jonas Vinther thread, you've deleted other people's comments, or parts of them. WHatever you're doing, please figure it out and stop doing it. Thanks. BMK (talk) 23:58, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

BMK, I can only figure that this is because others are editing at the same time. Apologies again, I'll wait until it all goes quiet! regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 00:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
That could be, edit conflicts sometimes cause that, but I've never seen what happened with one of your edits, where a complete duplicate thread was created. Sorry to be cranky, but it was a bit annoying trying to fix the problems (although I think I got it all unscrambled). BMK (talk) 00:15, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
BMK, Thank you for fixing the problem. Like yourself, I've never come across this before. Best, David, David J Johnson (talk) 00:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open!Edit

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Roger HollisEdit

Just to let you know that the grave section has gone again. This is getting tiresome but I have zero time for editing at the moment. Might you be able to get this looked at? Testbed (talk) 05:07, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm far too busy at this time. This reference was your baby. This article seems is in need of re-writing and the present "contributor" appears to have far-left leanings. In haste, David J Johnson (talk) 22:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Yo Ho HoEdit

Make sure to click on both pictures to see them full size David J Johnson as they will give you a chuckle. May your 2016 be full of joy and special times. MarnetteD|Talk 03:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
I will raise a glass of wine to toast you and Susie on Xmas Eve DJJ but you will probably be asleep by then so I thought I'd let ya know about it now :-) Cheers!! MarnetteD|Talk 03:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
MarnetteD, Belated thanks for your holiday wishes. I'm afraid I've been down with a dreaded "Christmas Bug", but now on the road to recovery. Susie joins with me in sending our very best to you and yours for 2016 and look forward to working with you in 2016. Best, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:35, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your message DJJ and I'm sorry to hear about the CB. Glad you are feeling better now. My very best wishes for you and Susie in 2016 as well. Since you will be experiencing that year several hours before I do please let me know if anything untoward is happening then I can stay in '15 if needs be :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

RE: Conservative Party|Deputy LeaderEdit

Excuse me, but the last time I looked at the official Conservative website George Osborne was the deputy leader of the Conservative Party, as of the 8th May, after succeeding William Hague. So all I was doing was adding knowledge, which is correct. So if you had a problem with that you should take it up with the Conservatives! GaryFG8125 GaryFG8125 (talk) 23:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

@GaryFG8125:, William Hague was never deputy leader of the Conservative Party, and neither is George Osborne. I think you might mean that Osborne succeeded Hague as First Secretary of State, which is something entirely different. This is Paul (talk) 00:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Thank you Paul. Totally agree with your comment. Unfortunately, this person does not appear to be here to contribute to building an encyclopedia. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Check the end of the Conservative party wikipedia page!

Firstly, please sign your "contributions" and correctly format them within the page by indents. As This is Paul has stated above George Osborne is First Secretary of State, which is entirely diiferent. That could be seen as de facto "Deputy Leader", but that is not an official position within the Party and therefore should not be quoted - as it is conjecture and not fact. David J Johnson (talk) 11:08, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Wow! signalEdit

What's the idea of the Background section? Its entire content is a rehash of the lead section. Its references can be moved to lead and the section deleted, and the article would be exactly as informative. -- (talk) 00:11, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

You are obviously not aware of Wikipedia conventions. The lede should not contain references, but be a general synopsis of the article. The general text should contain appropiate references/sources. Your edits might be better accepted if you were aa registered editor. Case closed. David J Johnson (talk) 00:16, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Also, if you have to "contribute" - it should be on the appropiate section far above this on my Talk page and certainly not on a new section. David J Johnson (talk) 00:26, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Last surviving Confederate veteransEdit

David: Thank you for the greeting and alert. I occasionally have looked at the page but not recently enough to see the new activity. I am surprised, and a bit disturbed, the a longstanding Wikipedia user has picked up on this false trail. My guess is that this is not the same person who made the previous edits. Nonetheless, the table is similar as is the content. While I do not think the previous researchers were necessarily infallible, it is clear that Mr. Washington was a fraud and even if one or two Confederate veterans survived after Mr. Crump, no definitive proof has turned up as far as I know. In view of the fact that the current editor is a confirmed user, I thought it would be courteous and correct to alert him to the change. Since I did not revert the edits based on an automated program that would leave a message, I left him the following message:

"I have undone your additions to this article for the reasons stated in my edit summary. I have not done this on the basis of vandalism but due to original research and synthesis and because the changes are questionable (common names in register of soldiers do not prove that a later claimant was the same person; no birth dates or other connecting information). Also, they are contrary to the sources shown in the references which are based on research and investigation. One instance shows how unlikely these changes are. If Walter Washington was born on the date he claimed, he would have been older than the oldest man ever verified to have lived. If I had not left this special message, you would have received no notification unless you were watching the article. I think that would have been unfair to you. I do not want to engage in any sort of edit war over this so if you wish to carry this on, we can refer it to the Military History Committee or some other previously uninvolved editor or editors."

I hope this will lead to a civil handling of this. I am confident that members of the Military History project or other neutral editors would not accept such original research without true connecting sources, which is why I made the offer to refer it. A person who realizes their edits have a shaky basis will not accept such an offer so I will proceed to refer the matter myself rather than get into an argument over it. I hope you will find this to be a satisfactory way to proceed.

Good to hear from you. Donner60 (talk) 03:46, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind that I started a new thread. As long as the old thread had become, and because this seems to be a "restart" of the whole matter after some considerable time had passed, I thought it better to start a new thread. Donner60 (talk) 03:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have looked at this first: The editor had quite a few edits up to 2008, then one in 2010, and has just recently resumed editing, concentrating on articles about "oldest" people, not just this one. I guess that is another reason to conclude this is a different person. I suppose it is no reason to regret leaving a special message. Donner60 (talk) 03:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I viewed User talk:Bart Versieck just now and there is a response stating "Thanks for the feedback in fact, and maybe it's a good idea to do just that actually." I just responded, about seven hours later: I will prepare a question to them soon and let you know when I am posting it. If you prefer to proceed differently, let me know." I will go ahead after allowing some time for a response. If this is going to be a recurring problem, perhaps this expenditure of time will help put the matter to rest, or at least allow quick and sure reversion of any further efforts to add this material. Donner60 (talk) 03:24, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
I left this further message on User talk:Bart Versieck. I am glad I did not seek resolution from the WikiProject or some other venue since there are preliminary steps or requirements which need to be fulfilled. I would have stated this as a continuing dispute with various editors over the same proposed revisions. That might have been enough but a more cautious approach would seem to put the matter in a better position for resolution. Perhaps Mr. Versieck may even be persuaded to cease his efforts to add the dubious material. Sorry for the long drawn out messages and process but I want to keep you advised and also to be sure this is done right. It is not worth escalating into some sort of big dispute which will reflect badly on the participants or hinder a resolution.
"I thought I should step back and again read the Wikipedia guideline pages on dispute resolution, which I have not reviewed recently. Wikipedia:Dispute resolution#Discuss with the other party suggests that we would be proceeding too quickly under the guidelines to refer this to a third party, committee or noticeboard immediately. This section of the dispute resolution page requires negotiation between the parties to a dispute and then "Talk page discussion is a prerequisite to almost all of Wikipedia's venues of higher dispute resolution." I think we should proceed as indicated and in a manner that will convince third parties that they should become involved in settling any disagreement that we may have. We should not proceed to ask for opinions for a Wikiproject or noticeboard before taking these preliminary steps.
"Please note that considerable discussion on this is already on the talk page due to previous efforts to insert similar material.
"I think it is unlikely that our previous communications will convince others that we have gone through the preliminary procedures. Rather than just refer you to the talk page - although I may do that in part rather than repeat all the detail - I propose to write a summary of the reasons why I think the additions or changes should not be made to the page and place it here on your talk page. You can respond as you believe fit. If we reject each other's positions, and if we do not in turn suggest some sort of compromise language, then we should place the matter on the article's talk page for possible resolution before moving on to the next step.
"I will check back tomorrow to see if you agree to this proposal or wish to proceed differently. I will finish by saying that I do not think we need to limit ourselves to one set of exchanges of views if further comment might seem productive." Donner60 (talk) 06:56, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Mr. Versieck expressed general agreement although he mentioned that definite statements on some of the claimants may not be possible. I am not sure exactly what he meant (whether he would not give up on some claimant or claimants or whether there is a "possible" category, for example) but I said I would examine the citations and sources with the idea of writing a fresh statement. I also wrote that perhaps some compromise language could be drafted if any new or recent evidence revived or partially revived some claims - despite Mr. Marvel's rejection of them all. I doubt that any claimant can be verified because I think the basis almost certainly must be considered original research. While I also doubt that a possible category can be established, I do believe that some compromise language as to a few of them, if it can in fact be drafted, might settle the matter without having to take it to others. I very much doubt that any claimant who could be classified as possible can be upgraded to verified or even probable based on what I saw in my quick review of the sources. My message to him was a bit more detailed but this was the gist plus some interpretation or comment. Donner60 (talk) 05:50, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
I just left this message on Mr. Versieck's talk page. I would like to complete this quickly but I want to be careful. Also I do not want to, or cannot, ignore or put off some real life chores while doing this. "I have created a new user subpage entitled User:Donner60/sandbox2. I will develop the presentation there rather than offline so you can check on progress if you wish. So far I have put large excerpts from two Wikipedia policy pages on this page. It seems to me that the expression of Wikipedia principles to be used in the evaluation would be a good opening for a "paper" on this topic. As it stands, this is far too much on these principles and I will try to cut it back while preserving the original meaning, probably by preserving direct quotes if I can. I hope to make more progress over the weekend." Donner60 (talk) 07:22, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Mr. Versieck left a message "Keep up the good work, my friend" after my last message to him - and then proceeded to restore his edit with a few little comments as well. I am not sure how to take this. I think he may have become impatient. Perhaps he has realized from looking at the Wikipedia policy pages. set out at length in my draft, the talk page of the article and my brief exposition on his talk page, that his position is tenuous. Then perhaps he thinks he can succeed by being persistent or taking his chance with third parties who might weigh in to resolve the matter. This has become tedious and I had hoped to have enough time to prepare a full and perhaps final presentation without being pressed to defer other matters for as much as a few days. I do have some things to do and we have been over this before as the talk page shows. In any event, I left the following message on his talk page. If you have any opinion about the turn this has taken or my comment, please let me know. I wrote:
"I see that you were not willing to wait and restored flawed, or at least quite questionable, edits to the article. I assume you did not refer to the principles on my draft page or on the Wikipedia policy pages before you did so, but it so, you can state why you think the edits are in line with them. If you are not willing to wait for a full exposition of this, perhaps I should not waste my time and we should present it immediately to third parties as unresolvable between us. I do feel that your additions have some serious problems. Connecting names in the census with names on a list of soldiers without a sure connection of the same birth date is speculative as it was not uncommon for several people in extended families who were born around the same date to have the same name. Speculative comments such as "so far" imply a forthcoming conclusion that is not supported by any sources and has no place in what is supposed to be a statement of facts based on reliable sources. Historians such as William Marvel, a reliable third-party source (in line with Wikipedia guidelines) has rejected these arguments and other sources in the footnotes support his conclusions. Where is the reliable and verifiable secondary source that accepts that some of the claimants that died later were confirmed as Confederate veterans? If you do not want to accept a careful and detailed explanation for consideration and possible presentation to others, including a fair explanation of your position which you would be free to revise, then it seems we will not get very far in resolving this without calling in third parties. I will wait to hear from you. If you do not wish to proceed on a cooperative or combined basis, then I suppose we must say that we have been unable to proceed on the slower path set out above and I should prepare my own separate and detailed statement along the lines already started in this paragraph and existing on the article talk page. I do think it is counterproductive to insert material or for changes to be made to a previously well supported article based on original research and synthesis - unless you can show why it is not - until the matter is fully debated, or if necessary resolved by currently uninvolved editors. I will await your answer and look at the page over the next few days before I write much, if any, more." Donner60 (talk) 04:44, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for all your work on this subject. I much regret that I have little time at the moment, but I have reverted the latest "contributions" from this person. I relly believe that the only action now is to refer these "edits" and WP:OR to an admin. To claim that previously debunked claiments; plus one, unsourced, who is claimed to have died in 1971, is total nonsense. On the strength of this I conclude that this person is not here to contribute to the encylopedia and should be reported. I'm out of contact for the next couple of days - at least. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 23:53, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
You are right. I wanted to do this "by the book" but I think it will have to go to the next stage. I still want to write it up carefully rather than to rely on a few sentences and a reference back to past postings. I understand that you can not drop everything to devote several hours to this nettlesome problem. I don't mind doing it but I would prefer not to have to drop everything and be rushed. Since Mr. Viersieck's patience seems to have been exhausted after only a few days, and despite seeming encouragement and cooperation, he now seems to be committed to an edit war if he can't get his way promptly. I could see his point if he really had a good case. I think that anyone who can read the original research and verification guideline pages objectively would have to be restrained for more time than this to see whether I can do a full presentation. I do believe I promised to present both sides. I do not think I promised to be persuaded. I also think I did not promise to settle for a changed version which I clearly disagreed with to be the version that people would see in the interim. If I wasn't entirely clear, I still can't see how he could have thought otherwise. Thanks for your diligence in watching this page and your support. Donner60 (talk) 03:05, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I went back to see what Mr. Versieck had added. In his latest edit after your last revert, he has only added some minor language, a few nicknames for some of the veterans and a few minor changes in dates which he cites to census records. He left out the speculative phrases and the women's names (not sure where he came up with them). I left him a message saying that if he is content with just that, we have nothing more to consider. I suspect he will not be because the January 25 version that I reverted had all of the verification language for some of the claimants and other objectionable material we have seen before. I apologized because, I said, his more recent edits did not contain the same flaws. Therefore, they need not have led to the conclusions in my prior message. That does not mean this whole business has been unnecessary because we started out with quite objectionable additions again. I said I would continue with the writeup as before agreed if he still wanted to move forward, and certainly by implication, if he does not add back the more objectionable text. Perhaps upon your return there will be more said about this. Donner60 (talk) 04:19, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I have been delayed in further responding to Mr. Versieck. He posted a message on my page about 10 hours ago. I responded as follows. You will note that he had remarked on the "strange person" phrase on my page and your previous reversion. That was some time ago so he had not really taken into account the later sequence of events. I hope the reply to him which I copy in next will put this in the proper perspective. I am not sure whether this will lead to some third party involvement or determination after all but perhaps we can keep it calm, especially if he does not restore the most controversial edits - at least if we proceed at a reasonable pace.
"I am sorry just to be getting back to you (on your talk page; this reply is to a posting only about 10 hours ago). I have investigated further but I have been sick for several days and not working very fast. I will look at your most recent citation before commenting. I ask that you give Mr. Johnson a little slack. He is in good faith and has monitored the article for quite some time. I had the same response when I thought you had restored an earlier more questionable version when in fact you had made a much smaller change to which I could not object. While he was unavailable, I looked at your last change more closely and saw that it was not as extensive or questionable, which is why I said I was sorry for the message I had left and did not change it further. I think he has been unavailable to see these developments."
"The latest version of the article still has your last two changes. I will say, preliminarily, that if I recall correctly, Garry Victor Hill cannot be considered a reliable source. If I remember correctly, he is an amateur researcher and uses speculation and coincidences rather than definite, connected sources that historians and researchers have not accepted in reliable secondary sources. I say this only to give you my recollection quickly. I do this because I have some confidence I will find this to be the case and I have been delayed in replying due to my limited time and energy in the past week. I will try to be more definite with a prompt follow-up reply." Donner60 (talk) 03:58, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Ashurst Wood ArticleEdit

Firstly, apologies, I had no idea what an "edit war" was and I had no idea I was causing one, and yes, I am wrong to assume that I am am right. I would like to bring the page up to date whilst keeping within the guidlines that are, quite rightly, strictly enforced. My second apology is due because I hadn't initialy spotted the messages on the "talk" pages, i wasn't deliberatly ignoring the editors, was simply oblivious to the comments. I would be grateful if you could offer a good starting point. I have spotted the extensive assistance you give on this page and will read it before I attempt to edit again. DerekWailes (talk) 19:46, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello Derek and thank you for your apology. At the moment, I'm very busy with both personal and business issues; the best advice I can give to you regarding editing Wikipedia is that you consult the Wikipedia:New contributors' help page. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 12:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Revert frenzyEdit

Pls see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history Regards Keith-264 (talk) 19:24, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello Keith, IP has been blocked for 24hrs. Best David, David J Johnson (talk) 23:16, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Just in caseEdit

Hello D. This may bear watching. Asking odd questions about the Gilmore Girls which has been a topic of a couple of the IPs in the last month or so. Just a suspicion at this point but I thought I would make you aware of this. Cheers to you and Susie. MarnetteD|Talk 00:42, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi MarnetteD, I think your suspicion is correct. I have answered by private email. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 10:02, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


I didn't see your message till today, I will stop, I just dont believe in the so called Big Bang theory, that's why I erased it. Thanks for the warning. Darby (talk) 21:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Apology accepted with thanks. You would do well to read WP:OR and WP:POV. David J Johnson (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

WTC sourceEdit

WTC source said it's a "tongue-in-cheek" response, look up that definition, and quit making fixed material incorrect. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:304:CFD3:2EE0:E42C:7D5E:31CA:82A0 (talk) 17:53, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Firstly, sign your contributions and use the article Talk page for comment. I have replied and reverted your "edit", as it is only the ref author's opinion and not the person mentioned. You should realise that with the number of revisions already that your theory is not valid. Also, it would be advisable for you to open an account, rather than editing behind a anonymous IP. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 18:02, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Many thanksEdit

Hi DJJ. I sure am glad that you are back to help in dealing with you know who. Best wishes to you and Susie always. MarnetteD|Talk 20:51, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Murder of Milly DowlerEdit

Do we really need to have her full name at the top of the infobox? Most infoboxes of articles about people only have the birth/full name next to "Born", with only their first and last name(s) at the top. Linguist 111talk 17:57, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Your comment should be on the article Talk page and not here. Your original deletion of Milly Dowler's full name contained no reason for the deletion and should have done, according to Wikipedia policy. I find no policy for not quoting a person's full name at the top of a info box. David J Johnson (talk) 22:34, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Don't Look NowEdit

You are more gracious than I am when handing out your "thanks", David. I was mortified to realize I had mangled my own grammar while chastising someone for theirs! Let's hope Ssven's is so bad he doesn't realize! Betty Logan (talk) 08:33, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.Edit

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User talk:

I've moved the list to Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations/ so if you had the IP page on your watchlist you may want to add the new page. Peter James (talk) 22:24, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello Peter, Many thanks for your mail. I've been away from Wikipedia - hence the delay in replying. I have added this page to my watchlist. The majority of contributions from this IP hopping editor are highly disturbing and a close watch needs to be a continuing task. Best regards, David J Johnson (talk) 13:04, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


Hi, just read your e-mail, many thanks. I see that the IP has been blocked and the articles have been protected. Hopefully, this particular "editor" will stay away. In any case, I'll continue to keep Around the World in Eighty Days on my Watchlist. Regards Denisarona (talk) 14:41, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to support proposed WikiProject WTCEdit

Dear MONGO, I just want to personally invite you to come support this proposal to create a World Trade Center WikiProject. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. Thanks! CookieMonster755 📞 03:19, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Suggest you try again, I'm not MONGO!! David J Johnson (talk) 09:18, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
But are you sure about that, David? I think maybe we're all MONGO deep down.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:00, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Do see what you mean!! Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 09:01, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Mongo only pawn in game of life. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 12:39, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, everybody. I am copying and pastin' here. So, I guess that is not as personal as I may have stated in the message. My apologize, and thanks for the good humor ;) CookieMonster755 📞 15:33, 27 May 2016 (UTC)


Hi D. I know it is late where you are. If you get a chance before going to sleep you might want to check you email. If you read it tomorrow that is fine too but just remember that I am writing about events on June 20th :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

Answer to your concernsEdit

I have looked at the matter you mentioned to me, and I am sure you are right, so I have placed blocks, and also semi-protected one article, as you will be able to see for yourself if you look. Let me know if you see any more of the same. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:10, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks for your help and advice. David J Johnson (talk) 18:20, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Re: that "allegedly" 9/11 Pentagon flight editorEdit

I don't know if you know this but his "name" is a slang term for an imaginary person, dating to George Constanza's use of it as a name for a fictional employer or person in the TV show Seinfeld. So many lols... Shearonink (talk) 22:05, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks for the info. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 22:30, 27 June 2016 (UTC)


So David -- this IP who is giving me a hard time on the Cooper article right now -- another sock, perhaps? I've notified that blocking admin, but no response so far. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 21:15, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Joe, Apologies for delay in replying - family health problems! I've reverted this IP's "edit" and note they have been blocked for evasion. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 10:31, 29 June 2016 (UTC)
Many thanks - hope everything is okay, health wise. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 12:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Roger HollisEdit

  • All comments and discussion should be on the Roger Hollis Talk page and certainly not here. I strongly object to my personal Talk page being used in such a way and all discussion and comments, which I did not take part in, has been deleted on 4 July 2016. The Roger Hollis article was a mess and I regret I hadn't the time to sort it out. David J Johnson (talk) 11:30, 3 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi, you reverted my edit on Frank Drake with the following; "Revert to previous pic. Addition is reversed L to R." Why and what does that mean? the image is newer and clearer, and commons is usually placed under the external links. TherasTaneel (talk) 03:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

I thought it was absolutely obvious. The image you posted (which had been reverted before) has been reversed left to right and Frank does not have a parting on the right hand side. If we are going to place clearer images on a article page, please make sure they are in a correct format and not reversed. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 10:05, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Clearly it's not obvious as multiple users have done the same, as you say and I see now (having now seen the article history) it has been reverted before. Files on commons should either be free or deleted, so not usually a problem being reversed, though there is the issue about the parting in this case I suppose, albeit a minor one imo. What is meant by the vague "correct format" is unclear to me, but if another that feels more strongly than me about changing his image into a newer one, they can figure it out. Thanks for the reply. TherasTaneel (talk) 10:50, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:One World Trade Center#New infobox imageEdit

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:One World Trade Center#New infobox image. Thank you! ✉cookiemonster✉ 𝚨755𝛀 19:33, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks - have left a comment. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 20:18, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

The West Country ChallengeEdit

I presume you have heard about The West Country Challenge?

The The West Country Challenge will take place from 8 to 28 August 2016. The idea is to create and improve articles about Bristol, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly, Dorset, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire.

The format will be based on Wales's successful Awaken the Dragon which saw over 1000 article improvements and creations and 65 GAs/FAs. As with the Dragon contest, the focus is more on improving core articles and breathing new life into those older stale articles and stubs which might otherwise not get edited in years. All contributions, including new articles, are welcome though.

Work on any of the items at:

or other articles relating to the area.

There will be sub contests focusing on particular areas:

To sign up or get more information visit the contest pages at Wikipedia:WikiProject England/The West Country Challenge.— Rod talk 16:58, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

* Sorry, but at the moment I just do not have the time. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 19:17, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Template:Theresa MayEdit

David, I removed Christian democracy from the template because I could find nothing significant making reference to it, but would be happy for it to be restored if there is consensus to do so. I've opened a discussion about it here if you wanted to comment. Thanks, This is Paul (talk) 12:37, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Paul, I reverted your contribution by mistake and didn't even realise that I'd made the alteration - must have been a "miss key" Will contribute to the discussion. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 12:46, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
No worries, I did wonder why you'd thanked me then reverted the edit. :) This is Paul (talk) 12:55, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


You say I changed the genre but I don't believe I did. I shortened the plot section as was requested.Oscar666kta420swag (talk) 09:02, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

You made far too many changes without any discussion on the article Talk page. The film is complex and needs explanation, not the wholesale changes you made. David J Johnson (talk) 10:25, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Regarding the refdeskEdit

See Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Ref Desk Antisemitic Troll. Don't bother warning, just revert and report at WP:AIV. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:24, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello Ian, Many thanks for the advice. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:28, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

"Non-state actors" or "non-governmental organisations"Edit

Sorry for disturbing, but I need some clarification here. Before that edit (the one you revert) [9], I put the section title as "non-governmental organizations". Is the NATO and United Nations are part of governmental organisations or not? Because that what makes me think twice to change it to "non-state actors". Thanks. Molecule Extraction (talk) 09:09, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

You are, of course, correct. NATO and the United Nations are a multi-governmental organisations, but certainly not to be described as "non state actors". I'm quite happy with a change that does not refer to "actors". Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 09:17, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification! Now I know what to use next time. :) Molecule Extraction (talk) 09:25, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Please trace the article history for Visa Inc.Edit

That logo was purportedly derived from a Web site for an Eastern European affiliate of Visa (not the company itself). There is no sign of that acceptance mark anywhere on the Visa Inc. Web site. It has never been used in the United States or Canada. --Coolcaesar (talk) 10:32, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Firstly, post your comment on the article Talk page. You still have supplied no citation for your view, plus the logo concerned is used in the UK and Ireland. Once again your manner borders on arrogance, please review your way of commenting, as many editors have told you. Case closed. David J Johnson (talk) 10:57, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

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User talk:

edit summaries need redacting. So too on a lot of pages he's edited. 7&6=thirteen () 14:21, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 14:24, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
No problem. Take care, David, David J Johnson (talk) 14:26, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Your prompt help was appreciated. 7&6=thirteen () 14:36, 29 November 2016 (UTC)


Hello DJJ. You have probably seen it already but I thought I would leave you this link Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/ report that Jayron32 kindly took the time to research and get going for future use. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:09, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen it. Let's hope we can finally get rid of this strange person. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 22:20, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry MerryEdit

  Season's Greetings, David J Johnson!
At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk 16:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

December 2016Edit

I undid your reversion of's edit. You claimed on their talk page that content was removed and it wasn't. Please be more observant when you look at edit diffs. As you can see, only whitespace was changed - and a 'minor' comment is perfectly fine for such a change. Fresheneesz (talk) 01:44, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

My error. Apologies and thanks. David J Johnson (talk) 10:19, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, David J Johnson!Edit

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

  • Many thanks, both Susie and I wish you all the best for 2017. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 10:37, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

A beer for you!Edit

  Thanks for the WOW! Signal thanks. It is my first on WP, and that deserves a round. Slàinte! JoJo Anthrax (talk) 10:51, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

American Airlines Flight 11Edit

I see you've reverted both of my attempts to move American Airlines Flight 11 into a more specific category. I don't know if you are aware of this, but I actually created the Category:Filmed killings category yesterday. I put about 150 other articles from the Category:Filmed deaths category into more specific categories. I've been in this situation several times before, and I got my way each time. I don't know if any of this changes the way you perceive the situation or not, so I'll need you to get back to me as soon as possible. Sorry about the edit warring. Thank you for your time. Scorpions13256 (talk) 13:23, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Pardon the intrusion, but if I may interject two points: (1) WP editing is not a competition; we tend to favor "getting it right" over "getting your way"; and (2) I'm going to suggest that the broader category, "deaths", is more accurate than "suicides", since only the hijackers were suicidal; the passengers and crew were innocent bystanders with (presumably) no wish to die. I'm assuming that "filmed suicides" is a sub-category of "filmed deaths"; if they are constructed as distinct categories, listing both would be more appropriate than one or the other. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 15:51, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Apologies for the delay in replying, but I've been away on urgent family business. DoctorJoeE has made exactly the same points that I would have made. I find your statement that "I got my way each time" borders on arrogance, Wikipedia is a collaboration and not a contest of who wins any edit. You are a fairly new editor and I respectfully suggest that you read various Wikipedia articles on correct editing. Personally, I object to the category "filmed suicides" as by far the deaths were of innocent passengers who had no wish to die. I'm happy with other category mentioned. David J Johnson (talk) 19:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, David. You recently told me to use sandbox for editing first before I make it public, which I thank you for. If you could help with that, I'd greatly appreciate it. I'm new to Wikipedia and all its editing and such. However, I'm not arguing, are you stating where I attempted to put "intended destination" rather than just "destination"? 2013AtlantaBraves (talk) 15:35, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your mail. You appeared to make a test edit and the sandbox is the place to do that, not the article itself. There are plenty of advice sites on Wikipedia dealing with advice to newcomers and that is where you should go. I regret that I'm far too busy myself to offer assistance. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 17:10, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Main PageEdit

Thanks for that, problem involving medication and a twitchy mouse finger (!) Britmax (talk) 16:50, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Student assignment revertedEdit

A student using an IP address made an edit to Talk:Main Page, which you properly reverted. The details are here. I noticed you warned the person, but they didn't know what they were doing was wrong, intending it as a good faith edit.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:13, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

I cannot see why you have mentioned this. A potential user has only to check the various Wikipedia pages to learn how to edit. David J Johnson (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
There are many examples of people who can't figure out what they are supposed to do.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:40, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
Then they should not be editing here until they do know, by checking the articles of how to start editing. I would query the "good faith" that you are trying to push, considering the location and language. My warning was also in good faith and correct at the time. Please stop using my Talk page. David J Johnson (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Basil PlumleyEdit

I explained the errors and issues. Please except it! The source is crystal clear. Check DD form 214! Thanks, Duke83 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duke83 (talkcontribs) 10:44, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, sign your contributions in the usual way. Secondly, you have made alterations to the content of both the Hal Moore and Basil Plumley articles without giving sources, references or reason. This is against Wikipedia policy and is not acceptable (not "except").

Please do not edit war and abide by Wikipedia conventions. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 10:53, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Dear Dave! I added sources! Please open your eyes, please! Duke83 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duke83 (talkcontribs) 11:03, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Still cannot sign your "contributions"? The sources added do not explain the extent of your "edits". Also I am not "Dave" It is obvious that you are not respecting Wikipedia conventions - a point which you have been warned numerous times before. Please stop. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 11:41, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

Zodiac KillerEdit

Hi, David. I tend to agree the symbol doesn't belong in the infobox (but then I think of other infamous serial killers who are unknown and what populates their infoboxes). The symbol should (in my own opinion) be used in the text of the article where mention of his correspondence first appears. Perhaps if the image of Zodiac which was circulated (and had him panicking and saying "I only look like that when committing my murders" or suchlike) could be uploaded to replace the "floating on its own" image then everyone can be content? RegardsKieronoldham (talk)

Kieron, Many thanks for your views. Best regards, David,David J Johnson (talk) 09:36, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Entertainment DeskEdit

Hi David J Johnson! I always try and keep knowledgeable of the happenings at WP to better understand what I don't know; but am a bit confused at what happened here: [10] from the edit summary explanation. Care to share? Thanks! Maineartists (talk) 22:21, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello Maineartists It is late night where David is so I wanted to leave a link to this Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/ so that you can see why this persons edits are removed. Best regards to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 22:49, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, MarnetteD|Talk! I appreciate your assistance! Maineartists (talk) 23:03, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
Many thanks MarnetteD for answering while I was safely "tucked-up" in bed. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:51, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Happy to help DJJ. I usually put the link to the LTA in my edit summary when removing that persons posts. Now you don't have to do that but I thought I'd mention it in case you haven't thought of it before. Cheers and enjoy your Sunday. MarnetteD|Talk 22:34, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

You're message replyEdit

The film shows most of Mapache's troops who were present being killed, so theres no need for a direct citation. However, i re-write it more carefully next time. Thanks for your concerns. STCooper1 (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, but please use correct sub-head. David J Johnson (talk) 19:35, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

HD 164595Edit

Sorry, I grabbed wrong diff while reverting numerous plug-ins of Vakoch's blurbs by CarmenRodriguez91 Staszek Lem (talk) 21:20, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Absolutely, no problem. As someone who knows Douglas Vakoch, I am extremely concerned by the number of spam contributions by this new editor and thank you for your actions. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 21:25, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Little or few; reverting my editEdit

Hiya mate, Not going to edit my edit back into the 'Meteor Crater' article, just going to post this here so you can see for yourself that "few" is correct, rather than little (due to the concept in question being measurable) http://www.gingersoftware.com/content/grammar-rules/adjectives/few-vs-little/ "The meteorite was mostly vaporized upon impact, leaving little remains in the crater." Which is your preferred sentence, implies there were small fragments left over - whilst this is probably true, it's incorrect grammatically. "The meteorite was mostly vaporized upon impact, leaving few remains in the crater." This is how you write it to explain there was not much remaining of the meteorite. Unless I misunderstood the intent of that sentence. (talk) 21:38, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Technically, you are correct, of course -- but in modern usage, "little" and “few” are used interchangeably, as are "more" and "over", because in the vast majority of cases, everyone knows what you mean. (Example: "The relic is over 300 years old".) I was taught to be compulsive about grammatical minutiae too; but over the years I've found that in general, it's best to let your ear, and common sense, rather than a rigid rule, be your guide. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 02:59, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


My apologies for leaving you out to dry a bit on that. I probably should have checked with you before conceding the point, but it became obvious that we were going to have to argue it every few months forever, and even though we were right, it just didn't seem worth the trouble. I didn't really expect gloating from that one immature individual, but we've both been here long enough to ignore that sort of nonsense. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 03:07, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I've been away on a break for a few days - hence the lack of contributions. Please don't worry about contacting me regarding conceding the point, it was probably all for the best. Like you, I remain confused about the immature individual's "contributions", who now expects an apology for my revert and warning of his non-explanation of the COD revert. I was also struck by the other comments from editors who had not previously contributed to the Ted Bundy article. I remain concerned that the COD was properly referenced by both primary and secondary references and the deletion of these are a slippery slope for factual articles. As you rightly say. we have both been here long enough to ignore the nonsense. Regards,David, David J Johnson (talk) 19:05, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

AA Flight 11 vs UA Flight 93 filmsEdit

The events of both flights have been memorialized on film. You consider AA Flight 11 "trivia" while UA Flight 93 is OK. What is your logic, David? PLawrence99cx (talk) 18:36, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, your comment(s) should be on the article Talk page and not here. United 93, not as you have titled it, is based on factual events and based on passengers conversations with relatives and also with a some of the actual persons involved and not "dramatization" of the American Airlines Flight 11 TV program. That is the "logic" as you want to put it. You would do well to treat Wikipedia users with a User page, rather than hiding behind a redlink. Case closed. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 20:18, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Bundy againEdit

There's a discussion on the Bundy talk page that you may wish to contribute to. DoctorJoeE review transgressions/talk to me! 18:51, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

I have commented on the Bundy Talk page. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 10:24, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

The wikilink to London is still necessary in the "Government of the United Kingdom" articleEdit

It's still necessary since we're talking about the government of the whole country. And since London is the capital of the country, it's not an overlink. I just made wikilinked London again and the reasoning I used was how London is linked in the infobox in the "British Armed Forces" article. Good Wall of the Pyrenees (talk) 13:30, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Absolute nonsense. You are a new "editor" and you are inserting duplicate entries and unnecessary links. Read WP:OVERLINK, names such as London do not need links, the link is to 10 Downing Street, that article states "London". A further point, you should have answered on your Talk page and not here. Please abide by Wikipedia conventions and stop edit warring now. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 17:24, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Just a follow up to point out that Good Wall of the Pyrenees has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Motivação. A Guy into Books (talk) 13:20, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for that information. As you know, I had suspicions that Good Wall of the Pyrenees was not here to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 13:25, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

United 93 Article EditsEdit

Not sure what to do about this. You seemed to be doing maintenance on that article. I hesitate to make the edits myself as I have not read through Wikipedia's editor policies and I am not familiar with how information is regarded here yet. When you get a chance, could you review something I am concerned about? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:United_Airlines_Flight_93#.22Pull_it_up..22

HopeICanHelp (talk) 16:55, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Do not post here, just use the article Talk page. Commented there. David J Johnson (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

7 WTCEdit

Can you move Mr. Faulkner's talkpage comments to somewhere where they can be followed? I would, but I haven't absorbed enough caffeine yet this morning - you have a time zone advantage. Acroterion (talk) 11:42, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Just off out! My view is that they should be deleted as nonsense - they will still be in history. Best, David, David J Johnson (talk) 11:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

About a user you just warnedEdit

Please see Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Vote (X) for Change. When dealing with this user from now on, should it happen again, revert and ignore. Thanks for your help, though - it is much appreciated. Sometimes it is difficult to spot LTAs. Take care, Patient Zerotalk 13:04, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks and best regards. David J Johnson (talk) 13:40, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Deletion at The Battle of Ia DrangEdit

On 06:16, 1 November 2017‎ Day to day did a deletion, "(the reaction strike time was reduced from the normal required 24 hours down to 14 hours and 17 minutes.[1][improper synthesis?]" and stated- that "I did examine and can't see it in the source. Here are the quotations:

- "The initial request would include the general situation, target information, objective, distance from friendly forces, and contemplated ground follow-up, if any. If beacon emplacement was precluded by virtue of target locations, normal radar bombing techniques would be used. When a request was initiated, approval for the strike, MACV said, would be expedited to allow a TOT not later than 24 hours after the initial message was transmitted." (p.9)

- "However, during November, the B-52s were used in a close-support role in conjunction with a major battle in the Ia Drang valley of Pleiku Province, involving the 1st Air Cavalry Division in Operation "Silver Bayonet," a bitter fight with North Vietnamese elements. On five consecutive days, beginning 17 November, strikes were conducted in the 1st Air Cav battle area. To meet these close-support needs, scheduled strikes in Binh Duong Province were deferred and, within 14 hours and 57 minutes of the COMUSMACV request, 18 B-52s launched from Guam to provide necessary support." (p.23)

Please restore (I am forbidden to edit the article and its talk page). Thank you.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 23:46, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

By the way, Day to day might be an alias of Dino nam.Tnguyen4321 (talk) 23:53, 3 November 2017 (UTC)


  1. ^ Melyan, page 9 and page 23
Regarding your comments. Thank you for the quotations. Regarding a possible case of impersonation, I suggest you take this up on the appropriate page. David J Johnson (talk) 10:37, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I will follow your suggestion regarding the impersonation issue. Meanwhile can you revert the deletion based on the source I provide?Tnguyen4321 (talk) 15:06, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
No, I suggest that you ask an admin who will advise you on socking issue when that is resolved. I have no access to your reference to confirm a change. David J Johnson (talk) 16:59, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Five Eyes EditEdit

Hey David,

Could you describe the reason for the edit reversion on the Five Eyes article (where I linked to ECHELON in the summary)? Since the summary is the most read part of any Wikipedia article, I figured that it'd be more helpful to link to it there rather than another section of the article.

Thanks and have a great day,

Nir — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plutoberth (talkcontribs) 18:45, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Quite simply because ECHELON only needs to be linked once and that was at the beginning of the article. Suggest you read WP:OVERLINK. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 18:53, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

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I was hoping someone would notice. Good Job! GippoHippo (talk) 14:33, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

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KoB on MarnetteDEdit

I am responding here so as not to drive Marnette crazy over a pest. Thanks for, and I agree with your comment as regards going forward. KingofBirds has been given enough rope--his help desk complaint has been responded to with a clear implication of what he faces--and we'll see what he does with it. I detest ANI, but will certainly go there if the issue warrants it. No need to respond, feel free to delete. μηδείς (talk) 20:16, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for your mail. I agree with your comments regarding the troll. It is most unfortunate that folk like this spoil the project, but I would urge you to report any further actions from this troll to WP:ANI, you will have my support. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 20:20, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello to you both. Please don't worry Medeis - you weren't bothering me :-) As you can imagine off WikiP things are hectic at this time of the year so I'm not able to devote the time needed in a situation like this. I really do appreciate both of your attentions in dealing with this person. I also wish your both well. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:47, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Great Fire of RomeEdit

Greetings, and happy December. I have been alerted to your revert on Great Fire of Rome, and I investigated your claim that this was supported by the reference given in the article body. I scoured the source by using Google Books, and I found no documentation in it to support anything claimed in the section "Modern scholarship". In fact, that paragraph had been written in language that usually indicates original research on the part of the Wikipedia editor who originally contributed it. So I have removed both the sentence in the lede, as well as the whole "Modern scholarship" section. I did leave the reference intact, which is right now causing a cite error, but it is a high quality source, so perhaps it could be applied to something else in the same article. I hope this helps. Happy editing! 2600:8800:1880:C359:5604:A6FF:FE38:4B26 (talk) 07:17, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your mail. Frankly, this is a subject I'm not that interested in. As I recall, hopefully correctly, it was just reverting an editor who had been a problem in the past. I will leave any editing/correction to you. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 10:39, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and Happy New YearEdit

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Happy HolidaysEdit

  Happy Holidays
From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol

Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail.

So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 00:42, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's greetingsEdit

To David
Season's greetings
Thankyou for your encouragement over the year, it is appreciated.
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Happy New YearEdit

  Happy New Year!

Best wishes for 2018. —Donner60 (talk) 06:56, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussionEdit

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Your revert due to a YouTube videoEdit

Hi David, regarding your revert in article Disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh and your given reason "You Tube is not a reliable source." If it was your intention to remove the link to the YouTube video completely, your revert failed ;-) I just added some bibliographic descriptions to the already existing link, but didn't add or change the link itself... Best regards, --Rolf acker (talk) 16:40, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello Rolf, many thanks for the info. Best regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 18:11, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata limitationsEdit

I was similarly confused by the addition of the link to vi:BBC World News from BBC World News when I saw it before your revert. I assumed that I would be able to add vi:BBC World News to d:Q208491, but it refused to accept the addition because vi:BBC World News redirects to vi:BBC, and Wikidata tries to link to that target of the redirect, but that page is already linked on Wikidata to d:Q9531. This is one of many limitations of Wikidata, which basically can't cope with the fact that the breakdown of topics in one language's Wikipedia is liable to be different from the topic breakdown in another language. (In which case, of course it oughtn't to be trying to link to the redirect's target.) In my view that inability to cope with a different breakdown leaves the Wikidata concept (or at least its current implementation) fundamentally flawed. On checking, I see that the redirect problem is vaguely mentioned at Help:Interlanguage links#Local links, though I wouldn't have realised the significance if I hadn't been trying to do it. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:38, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

About my recent reverted editEdit

That's OK, you know it, if you want you can make a revision also about my recent changes of mastercard logo also Bill Wong (talk) 20:41, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

No, your MasterCard revision was only reverting to the original size - which I should have spotted. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 20:44, 5 February 2018 (UTC)


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Hello, I have seen your recent revert on James Jesus Angleton. That source (see page 12/30 onwards) can be useful to source the page. Regards, Rob1bureau (talk) 19:54, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks. I have very little time at the moment, if the source adds the info/reference needed can you please add it to the article? Regards and in haste, David J Johnson (talk) 09:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

My Edits on ArizonaEdit

Hey there. I would like to say that I feel bad for making those edits on Arizona without any proper citations. Nonetheless, I am grateful that you gave me another chance, as I am new to this sort of thing. There are still lots of valuable lessons to be learned. Hope you have yourself a good day/night. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SawuScimitar74 (talkcontribs) 03:09, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks. David J Johnson (talk) 10:50, 28 February 2018 (UTC)


How was what I added incorrect? DT1 and DT2 cover the Dorchester post town. To the best of my knowledge, this was the information that is put in the post town, postcode district etc. section on the infobox. Samuel J Walker (talk) 19:41, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

As another long-standing Dorset editor has already told you, the DT1 postcode is exclusive to Dorchester town proper. DT2 is only used for the surrounding villages and area. As someone who has lived in Dorchester town for many years, I can confirm this. Isn't it about time you compiled a User page and restricted yourself to "editing" articles you know something about. Case closed. David J Johnson (talk) 22:21, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Ted BundyEdit

Could you please tell me which links I put in the Ted Bundy article were miscellaneous links? I would be able to fix them and remove any multiple links (I actually intended to post one link each to any location, subject, or major element of the story) if you would be so kind as to revert the edit. AspergianDoodler295 —Preceding undated comment added 11:06, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

You have failed to properly sign and date your comments on my Talk page and in any case your query should have been on the Ted Bundy article Talk page. Everyday words should not be linked, as per WP:OVERLINK, which I suggest you read carefully. Also given names are unnecessary, per longstanding convention. The Ted Bundy article has received WP:GA status, as a result of much work by Doctor JoeE and others and I have no wish to see this spoilt by unnecessary changes. Therefore, I have no reason to change any revert I have made and would strongly oppose any action in this matter. In haste and regards, David J Johnson (talk) 11:22, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Dorset infoboxEdit

Hello. The creation of the two new authorities and which coat of arms and motto they might use isn't the issue, its that they aren't used by Poole and Bournemouth and this articles covers the entire ceremonial county, not just the county council area. As it is, I think the infobox is misleading as it implies they are used by the entire county. I don't think it possible to add the arms and mottos of Poole and Bournemouth so wouldn't it be better to just omit the county council arms and motto? Barret (talk) 17:17, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks for yours. No, I don't agree; Poole and Bournemouth were until recent times part of Dorset County Council area. There are still many towns, villages and areas that are still part of the Dorset County Council proper. Whilst I would have no objection to the arms of Poole and Bournemouth being added to the article, I still feel that for the relative short time that the County Council will exist, it is best to leave the coat of arms within the article - as it has been for ages now. Regards, David J Johnson (talk) 18:40, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
I still don't see why the non-metropolitan county should take precedence. The coat of arms was absent from this article until it was added with an update to the infobox template four years ago. Even when Poole and Bournemouth came under Dorset County Council administration they retained borough status which allowed them to continue to use their own coat of arms. But I think that's irrelevant anyway as they have been independent from DCC for over 21 years now. I've placed a new discussion on Talk:Dorset to see if any other editors have an opinion. Cheers. Barret (talk) 23:39, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Last surviving Confederate veteransEdit

I took a look at this again to see that some time ago the text concerning the definitive new source and the citation were deleted and some of the bogus claims were added back. I restored the last clean version, as far as I could tell, but tried to retain the technical changes and corrections of later edits (e.g. removal of "magic links" to ISBN and insertion of the new style). I suppose this will be never-ending as there seem to be many dedicated adherents to the fringe theories - with a few fringe and poorly reasoned sources in support. Maybe some sort of protection can be had at some point. You may have this watchlisted. If not, if you have time, you might want to review the latest version to check on whether I made any mistakes or omissions in the modified restoration. I hope you are doing well. Donner60 (talk) 06:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

I'm afraid that I'm out of circulation at the moment, due to domestic problems. I'll try to take a look at it in the next few days. Regards, David
Best wishes and good luck. No rush. In any case, it might be best to have my changes in place for awhile to see if there is any reaction. Donner60 (talk) 06:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

United Airlines Flight 175Edit

So I took another break from Wikipedia (the first break was during the time I was blocked) and I decided to try again. In addition, I've begun to improve a bit since my block expired. Last night I made an edit but I felt it was disruptive so I undid it. So yeah there's some slight improvement. Anyways, the reason I removed the subsections from United Airlines Flight 175 is because those subsections were not in American Airlines Flight 11 and it originally did't have those sections, but I initially thought it was good, but I changed my mind. So can I remove the sub-sections (again)? I will not do so until I get an answer, don't worry. Tigerdude9 (talk) 22:43, 15 November 2018 (UTC).

The short answer is no, you should not remove the sub-sections. I believe the same style of sub-sections should be added to American Airlines Flight 11 and will probably be added when I have the time. If you continue to edit war and make alterations without thinking first, then you will face another block. David J Johnson (talk) 11:45, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok, I will not remove the sub-sections. If you want, I could add the sub-sections to American Airlines Flight 11 myself, but I'll wait to hear from you first. Tigerdude9 (talk) 20:24, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Please see and accept my reply above. David J Johnson (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I accept your reply. You can add the same style of sub-sections to American Airlines Flight 11 when you have the time. Tigerdude9 (talk) 13:51, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hello DJJ,
Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that

Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?"

My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 18:49, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Dear MarnetteD, Many thanks for your good wishes for the season. Susie joins with me in sending our very best to you and yours. As ever, David, David J Johnson (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks so much D. MarnetteD|Talk 19:20, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Happy New YearEdit

Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Thank you so much, we wish you a Happy New Year too. David J Johnson (talk) 10:52, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

Floor failure vs. column failureEdit

Hi David, Thanks for your message. As you suggested, I've had a closer look at the sourcing for the progressive collapse section and I think I've found the problem. While the section begins with a reference to Bazant and Verdure (2007) it goes on to describe the collapses based on the 2002 FEMA report. That earlier report did, indeed, suggest "floor failures", but after the NIST report (which Bazant and Verdure also cite) the floor-failure mechanism suggested by FEMA has been generally abandoned. (For this reason, I don't think FEMA should be cited in this part of the article at all.) As Bazant and Verdure explain, the correct way to describe the total destruction of the towers is by reference to the "propagation of [a] crushing front" in which the column sections (about one storey's worth) immediately under the falling upper block (which should be "treated as rigid") fail, allowing for free fall through the height of another storey of the building. This goes on through a "crush-down" phase (which destroys the building below) and then a "crush-up" phase (which destroys the falling block after it reaches the ground). All of this can be straightforwardly sourced to Bazant and Verdure (2007). It occurred to me that one reason for the confusion might be the ambiguity of the word "floor" which can also mean "storey". Even on Bazant and Verdure's account, it could be argued that the "floors" (i.e., storeys) failed progressively, one at a time. But it should be made clear that they were crushed and that the floor spans did not break off the columns and "punch" through and crash (through the ceiling, as it were) onto the floors below as the FEMA report proposed. In its current form the article clearly uses "floor failure" in FEMA's sense, which, like I say, is wrong. I don't get the impression that you're interested in discussing this, and I'm not interested in fighting with you over the article, so I'm just passing this information on to you to do with as you will. Feel free to use anything I've said here in the article if you find it useful. Best, --Thomas B (talk) 09:41, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

I had some spare time and went ahead and rewrote the section. It might be improved further, but it's now much closer to the received view on the collapses than it was. Best, --Thomas B (talk) 21:44, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

WOW! SignalEdit

It think that this IP user at WOW! Signal may be a sock-puppet of an editor promoting a specific YouTube Channel. [11]. I have a question on procedures: is THAT page monitored by Administrators for updates? Or should I create a new report on user:Alfa0151991.

Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 20:23, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Rowan, Many thanks for yours. I believe you are correct that the IP user is a sockpuppet and in any case I don't believe the "info" they have quoted is accurate. I have never heard any of my colleagues at the Institute mention this. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:23, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Rowan, It now looks as if they are also "editing" under Wikicontributor911. Another sockpuppet, as this "editor" has never contributed before?? Perhaps this should be reported again. Apologies for the quick reply, but very busy at the moment. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 21:31, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Attack on Pearl HarborEdit

Why are my edits on the Attack on Pearl Harbor removed and considered as vandalising Pizzasuperman (talk) 12:31, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

<tps> They weren't considered as vandalism, they were WP:OVERLINKING, which was explained to you in the edit summary. Acroterion (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

BBC News at Five/Newsroom LiveEdit

Can you stop changing these as Carrie Gracie presented a News at Five on a Friday in February with Ben Brown on location and Lukwesa Burak presented Newsroom Live last Monday and again today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abc1234h1 (talkcontribs) 17:29, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

One, you have not signed this communication. Two, once again you have not supplied any references or sources for the changes you wish to make. There have been a number of "sockpuppet" edits on BBC news pages, all unsourced - which is against Wikipedia policy. By all means change, but supply the appropriate sources. David J Johnson (talk) 17:42, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

9/11 PagesEdit

Hi David, you will see my edits popping up more and more around the 9/11 pages. I have a lot of factual information, and my cited sources are reliable.

Yesterday you undid some of my work and said it was unreliable. The Timestamps were taken from Wikipedias Timeline of Events as well as my personal knowledge, and the Details into the Stairwells is backed up by the Blueprints of the Trade Center that NIST Released (Which I Cited).

If you have any questions, or concerns, let me know

Thanks -Zach

The timestamps are unnecessary on individual 9/11 pages. You will note that another editor has also reverted them; "personal knowledge" is not acceptable to Wikipedia, please read WP:OR . The NIST Blueprints are reliable, but the source you quoted is not. Wikipedia 9/11 articles are not a repository for conspiracy theories. In any case your comments should be directed on the relevant 9/11 pages and not on an editor's personal Talk page. Thank you, David J Johnson (talk) 15:40, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Please assume good faithEdit

Hi David, I acknowledge my past record here at Wikipedia, and I think all of the people now working on the article are aware of it too. Please assume WP:FAITH and keep your suspicions to yourself. They don't add anything useful to the conversation. At some point, if you continue, I will ask an administrator to intervene on my behalf. It's tiresome and doesn't change anything. If my edits are out of line, I expect I'll be banned in accordance with WP:ARB911. There's nothing to worry about, though.--Thomas B (talk) 11:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I have assumed WP:FAITH and have commented in a way I truly believe, based on your past record on the subject of 9/11, and your previous statement that you intend to leave Wikipedia. Nor do I take kindly to threats to "ask a administrator to intervene on my behalf". I'm happy to apologise if I'm wrong, but the record speaks for itself. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 14:49, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Thomas...I think you and I have worked better in recent months than ever before but I still think you're a bit trapped in the mode of something other than the engineering record happened on 9/11. The arguments about the 707, speed and fuel are pretty thin...and oddly yours do somewhat parallel those found 911 truther pages. With that said, you've made many edits in recent months that have stood uncontested, but the article is miles away from featured level yet.--MONGO (talk) 20:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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Please stopEdit

Hi David, as far as I can tell, your main (and perhaps only) contribution to WTC Collapse article these days is to call me a conspiracy theorist. I've asked you stop before. If you continue I will take it to ANI.--Thomas B (talk) 18:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

I am only recording my support for another editor's comment and your previous contributions over the years. The record is there for all to see and form an opinion, please remember Wikipedia is not censored and please don't threaten me. Thank you and regards, David J Johnson (talk) 19:08, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
Thomas...that would backfire and you know it. I have to say that your latest effort to eliminate the lost in fog comments but keep the could have survived the impacts comments about the aircraft impact analysis seems to be to lend credence to an alternative explanation. I recognize that in any situation such as this there are always loose ends, but I'm nearing the point of wondering why we are even having the aircraft impact section at all since all we have is mostly conjecture now and no study ever analyzed the type of event that ultimately happened.--MONGO (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
That's not a good idea. I appreciate that you've changed your approach to editing this subject, and I believe you've made improvements. However, your past editing includes a focus on conspiracy theories, and there's some justified skepticism about your aims. Acroterion (talk) 03:19, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I forgot to follow up this. I'll see you all in the new year. Basically, my policy will be not to put up with all this conspiracy nonsense. Argue about the content or don't argue. Revert my edits or let them stand. Don't waste our time by speculating about my motives. By now you've got a good sense of how I work. I make edits to the article as suggestions and, simplifying somewhat, MONGO approves them, or not. The article is basically as good as MONGO lets me make it. I'm fine with that arrangement. I'm interested to see how good a Wikipedia article on this subject can be. I understand the constraints.--Thomas B (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
I know I've been lagging badly on the work there buy do plan on a push near the end of this year. You are always welcome to participate Thomas but recognize that history is hard to overcome.--MONGO (talk) 03:28, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I honestly don't think it's my responsibility any longer to overcome the past. The accusations violate AGF and introduce needless conflict, I will not be accepting it going forward. But, like I say, it won't be relevant until next year, when I'll have a look back in.--Thomas B (talk) 13:08, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


  Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well DJJMarnetteD|Talk 02:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

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  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!

Hello David J Johnson, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2020.
Happy editing,

Donner60 (talk) 07:23, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Thank you so much Donner60, both Susie and I wish you and yours best for the holiday period and 2020 and look forward to working with you again in the New Year. As ever, David, David J Johnson (talk) 12:47, 26 December 2019 (UTC)