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Why did you undo my edit in Biblical Cosomology-TeertrevoEdit

Hi Mr. Weller! I noticed you removed my edit on Biblical cosmology, where I removed the incorrect interpretation of Revelation. Is there any reason for you doing so?
Thanks!
-Teertrevo (talk) 15:50, 29 November 2021

About the reverted editEdit

Hello. You reverted the edit I made to the Moses article. However, I still think it should say according Robert D. Miller II, not according to John van Seters. The citation in its current form uses two quotes from the book, which are real quotes from the book. However, only one of them refers to van Seters, yet the sentence is obviously really based only on the another quote, which does not refer to van Seters. It is Miller's own text that is not stating van Seters' conclusions, instead it does use the following citation: Jan Davis and Isabel Wollaston, “Memorials,” in The Sociology of Sacred Texts, ed. J. Davis and I. Wollaston (Sheffield: Sheffield Academic, 1993), 25.. Also, the book's editor uses the same quote and credits it to Miller in the introduction section (pp. 5-6). Finncle (talk) 21:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Finncle Having trouble sleeping so saw this. Are you saying the first quote is not van Seters? Because I see it attributed to him in other sources. But I won’t be able to deal with this until tomorrow UK time. Doug Weller talk 22:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
No, the first quote (The quest for the historical Moses is a futile exercise. He now belongs only to legend.) is his, but the other one has basically nothing to do with him. Finncle (talk) 23:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
And this is important because the sentence in the Wikipedia article is clearly based on the other quote (I don't know why the van Seters quote is even used in the citation) and therefore its content should be attributed to Robert D. Miller II. Finncle (talk) 23:11, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@Finncle I'm going to move this to Talk:Moses#Recent edits concerning 2 quotations. Doug Weller talk 10:27, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

appealing discretionary sanctions imposed by an anonymous adminEdit

Hi. I posted this to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=prev&diff=1088480880 because an appeal seemed to fit the category, but it got undone without action taken. So here it is. Need help or at least advice.


In recent days, I have attempted to insert the most likely birth year for Rebecca De Mornay, based on the topic in Talk. User Hipal has repeatedly reverted all attempts to avoid a blank year, even when I compromised by indicating "1959 or 1962" which are the two birth years noted in the Talk discussion. I justified the "or" in Edit Summary by pointing out that numerous historical figures have multiple years listed due to uncertainty (see death year for Jesus for example). This was not good enough for the gatekeeper, who also made the outlandish threat to report me for "defamation" on my User Talk page.

One ought to wonder why there is such vehemence about not indicating the birth year of a well-known actress. Is this really a form of defamation equivalent to rumors of criminal activity that are often spread about other celebrities?

Further, the content of De Mornay's page includes the age marker "By the time she was 16" as the first phrase under Career, so there is a limited range of birth year possibilities which IMO ought to be indicated. I suspect that Hipal is a paid editor (agent in Hollywood or elsewhere) or a zealous fan who still wants to hide the celebrity's age more than a decade after the 2011 Talk page discussion.Martindo (talk) 10:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I know Doug is occupied with other things at the moment so I hope he doesn't mind me responding here instead.
@Martindo: Hipal is not an administrator and is no more anonymous than you are. What they are is a highly experienced editor who has edited thousands of pages, so I highly doubt that they're in anyone's pockets, and you should not cast aspersions otherwise. If you read the notice they left on your talk page, it's simply making you aware that special rules ('discretionary sanctions') already apply to biographical articles and that all editors must follow them. No sanctions have been placed on you personally, so there is nothing to appeal. Similarly the part about "defamation", while I agree not appropriate here, is just part of a standard template message, not an accusation.
I'd strongly suggest you take up the issue of De Mornay's year of birth at Talk:Rebecca De Mornay and try to reach a consensus rather than trying to escalate as a user conduct issue. – Joe (talk) 10:42, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
@Joe Roe thanks. Given WP:BLPPRIVACY I think this needs to be at BLPN and I'll take it there. Doug Weller talk 10:49, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
I confess that I don't understand how discretionary sanctions are imposed. I assumed it had to be done by an admin. Martindo (talk) 08:52, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
@Martindo actual sanctions can only be imposed by an Admin, yes. You got an alert, which anyone can give. Doug Weller talk 09:59, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying. See my participation on the Noticeboard you were kind enough to set up. Martindo (talk) 10:15, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Totalitarianism PageEdit

Hello sir do you feel like something needs to be done there? In the last month we have almost 10 suspected sockpuppets beginning with DaEditorz and followed by unregistered ips that have continued to remove this top sourced information which includes Oxford and Princeton. Its obvious the addition of Lenin is simply against their own opinion and bias but they are even removing the sentence about mussolini. I requested page protection and to my surprise it was denied.Foorgood (talk) 13:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

@Foorgood sorted but you absolutely must tone it down, you are too confrontational and it doesn't help you in discussions. Doug Weller talk 15:14, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
Thank you and i apologize sir you are correct i will do that i just hope more of the suspected sock puppets dont return.Foorgood (talk) 15:18, 19 May 2022 (UTC)
i forgot to mention this was the other suspected sock but is there a way for you to check? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/108.35.72.233Foorgood (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

For you as wellEdit

Doug, I just wanted to let you that what I said here applies to you too. You are an incredible human being and I have been so fortunate to get to listen to your Song through this community and project. I hope you are well and if you are struggling I wanted you to know that someone is thinking about you in this moment and pouring the entirety of themselves into those thoughts hoping to provide continued strength, encouragement and love to you. --ARoseWolf 14:17, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Typo in your pingEdit

I replied to your ping, but I think you meant to ping Wickey. I also just received a threat about my commenting, so will have to be careful. Being treated like a fringe editor with such a threat is really chilling. I feel a bit nauseous. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:21, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

You replied, but didn't fix the ping. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:02, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

While I'm here, I'm not sure I have mentioned your battle with cancer. My condolences. It's tough. One gets to retirement age and one looks forward to a more relaxed life, and then this shit happens. I have just been through a prostate cancer scare, laser surgery, and series of 45 radiation treatments. So far so good. As one gets older, these dangers pop up in our path. My wife just got a breast cancer scare. She got a mammogram, and the result was good. Then she got called back, and that usually means they overlooked something scary. We got very worried while waiting for a time. So they did another one and she passed. Whew! It makes me think about preparations for clearing out of this life. I need to start cleaning up my records (most were burned in the fire) and otherwise making it simpler for my wife if she outlives me. I suspect you have similar thoughts, and I'd love to hear what you've learned about such things. Feel free to email me. I have never tried dying before, so it'll be a new experience for me.  As an atheist, I think it will be a relief, ergo "the end" of all worries and troubles. The problem with it is for those left behind, and I want to make that easier. I'm not afraid of dying, but about the how of it. No suffering please. "Just leave that bottle of fentanyl on my bedside table." As a medical person, I have been around death a lot, handled hundreds of bodies, seen many people die (CPR can't save everyone), discussed the legal aspects of DNR, and have always joked about getting a large tattoo on my chest that says "CC & DNR". -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 14:57, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

I share a lot of your feelings, particularly about dying. And about my wife outliving me, but that might happen no matter what. Glad to hear she's ok. I've also got Parkinson's, but the symptoms aren't very serious. Doug Weller talk 15:18, 20 May 2022 (UTC)