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To-do: red plastic gas cansEdit

These things are ubiquitous in the US (or at least any part I've been to) but we don't have an article on them. Like, I've only ever seen three consistent models (each different sizes of the same basic pattern) and looking online, it looks like those are the only three models that have been allowed since the gas crisis in the '70s.[original research?]

I've got a lot of other things on my plate, but I think these might be sufficient sources for someone (me, anyone else, whoever) to write up an article on them:

The last source definitely doesn't establish WP:NOTE and I'd normally be wary of anyone insisting that it be used. Still, I think they also discuss regulatory info and maybe manufacturing history. Given the news sources (all of which are "oh shit, these things are exploding again" and "please stop doing things to make them explode"), I think it's safe to say that its inclusion probably won't amount to promotion.

I'm not sure that this would accomplish much more than a stub, at least with my usual "summarize, paraphrase, combine overlapping statements" approach. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:21, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I saw this up in your table of contents. Those damned things are a colossal nuisance , I finally found a brand that allows better control of flow and doesn't end up slopping gas all over the lawnmower, generator, or tiller. The mesh screen appears nowadays to be broadly used. They also come in yellow for diesel and blue for kerosene. Acroterion (talk) 01:19, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I am remembering my dad using blue barrels made of the same material for kerosene back when we had a space heater but yeah, I do see the same design in blue and yellow. (I think he got them on sale, I'm not sure I've seen them in stores ever again, and boy hell were they trouble to get rid of). Guess I need to look for sources on the diesel and kerosene ones and figure out what the industry name is for this family of cans. They're not Jerrycans (which is where gas can currently redirects): they're broader, have a handle on the back, and the stamping on the sides is just embossed warning text (not a structural feature). (I'm sure you know but other talk page watchers who haven't opened the links might be wondering why I want to reinvent the Jerrycan).
There's another gas can design that I'm seeing, "Safety gas cans," which I suppose needs to be written about as well. Basically squat half-capsule mini-barrels with a handle and spout on the flatly rounded top. They're why I haven't just made "gas can" about the red plastic ones, since we really need "gas can" to be a disambig between the standard plastic, the Jerrycan, and the safety gas cans. Thanks for helping me realize that. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:38, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm accumulating a museum of gas cans. I got two of the safety cans after squirrels started eating the plastic ones. After that generation of squirrels died they seem to have stopped munching plastic and confine themselves to the house, so now I have some plastic ones that are easier to handle, and a yellow one in case we run out of heating oil - I can get off-road diesel and use that in a pinch. I think fuel container is a safe generic term. Acroterion (talk) 01:49, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Mind the shop for meEdit

Moving to the other side of the planet later this week and won't have my apartment for two weeks. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:22, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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How High the HorseEdit

I'm sure that you've never made a mistake in life; however, unlike you, I am not perfect. When trying to correct the syntax of a quotation, I accidentally edited an older version of the page. You will note that many edits that were inadvertently removed were THOSE I MADE to correct and add sources. They also include issues Doug and I agree about. My objective was not to engage in a petty, malicious, belittling attack. . .I wish we could all say the same. Anyway, thanks for spotting this.OjogbonIjinle (talk) 00:06, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

@OjogbonIjinle: A mistake's totally a thing. Repeatedly using highly inaccurate edit summaries while skipping out on doing something you know well enough to ask others to do is not just a mistake. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:40, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Block this User

I need admin help to check or block user ID: due to disruptive editing, they repeatedly and reverted ediing, requests to stop changing in the article in this series. Maria Mercedes, Halik, The General's Daughter, Sino ang May Sala?: Mea Culpa, Nang Ngumiti ang Langit and all ABS-CBN drama article. Thank you for your assistance. Barneysss (talk) 14:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

No. I really am not seeing what the issue is. Did they go slightly outside of some project's obscure standards or something? Ian.thomson (talk) 22:15, 12 April 2019 (UTC)


Is it legal for readers to download images from Wikipedia articles and use them for personal uses, such as prints, desktop wallpaper, or editing? Asked another editor but got no response.2600:1:F1A8:AC53:F50F:EE64:20F7:849E (talk) 15:55, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'd have to say "depends on the image." If there's a fair use rationale, there's a potential argument that you're infringing trademark for printing that image instead of buying the official print or something. If it's public domain or under some creative commons licenses (read the license), it's probably OK.
That said, desktop wallpaper is probably always safe. No corporation has enough time or money to waste taking someone to court to challenge the fair use claim for their desktop. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:07, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
But it is still technically infringement to download and copy an image that is not public domain (even if you are able to right click it and download)? 2600:1:F1A8:AC53:F50F:EE64:20F7:849E (talk) 13:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Legal disclaimer for that. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:05, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive EditingEdit

Hi Ian, we have some major editing issues about these articles: List of programs broadcast by Jeepney TV and List of programs aired by Jeepney TV. In the history section via the website, someone who edited for the upcoming programs from User talk: but the current programs reverted back from my notepad. Please monitor it and protect the article against disruptive editing within 15 days. Thank you. – Jon2 (talk) 14:15, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

@Jon2guevarra: Where are the sources establishing that those topics are notable? Just because the station might be notable doesn't mean the list of programs are. In fact, Jeepney TV doesn't have independent sourcing either. Just because ABS-CBN is notable doesn't mean that Jeepney TV is, either. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:34, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom 2019 special circularEdit

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Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)Edit

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Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

User:EditorEEdit (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Hi Ian. I believe I have blocked an IP sock of EditorE. Two other editors agree that it is most likely them (Ss112 and wumbolo). However they are claiming innocence. Out of an abundance of caution and as you were the blocking admin, I was wondering if you'd care to have a look. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I wouldn't believe their claims for a second. They're editing the same sorts of articles and doing exactly the same things EditorE did—down to naming subheadings of charts sections just "Weekly" instead of "Weekly charts", which might seem trivial to others but is something I noticed EditorE did regularly and I had not really seen before. Also, they have made several edits to one of EditorE's favourite topics, Black Origami [1]. They can't help but gravitate back to the same articles, which is the case with basically every sockpuppet editor ever. I am 100% sure it's them this point. Ss112 00:57, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm not an expert by any means but even I can see the glaring similarities. Unless Ian tells me I'm wrong, they are staying blocked. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, good then. I just looked and Ian doesn't appear to have edited in nearly three weeks... Ss112 01:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry. I don't get home from work until 6:30 at earliest these days, and I spend most of my weekends recovering or making up for stuff I couldn't get to during the week. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:02, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Teal Swan editor SPIEdit

Is it necessary to add the IP(s) that made very similar edits to Swan's article yesterday? Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Those fall so far under WP:DUCK that I wouldn't bother. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:33, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
OK thanks. Just checking! Eagleash (talk) 11:57, 11 August 2019 (UTC)

If you've time,Edit

would you run your eyes over Garner Ted Armstrong? I think the WMA file is safe although I didn't download it completely, just started it on IE which didn't throw up a warning. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 07:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Ran over 'm with my large truck. Ian.thomson (talk) 08:43, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
So you did! Thanks. Doug Weller talk 11:59, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Need a timesink removedEdit

After this edit and many others, I think WP:NOTHERE applies. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:27, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

The user could use a warning... --Izno (talk) 14:39, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Actually, they needed a block, and they got it. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:07, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

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The God CultureEdit

See [2]. --Doug Weller talk 15:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, had the impression it was something like that. I instinctively distrust any source when anyone says "go watch all their videos" instead of citing a specific video (or better yet, a specific segment), because it makes me think that the channel is just going to repeat the same claims over and over until fans believe it. I've only seen him bring it up on the Ophir talk page and Eden, so I can still assume he's just a fan who doesn't realize it's not RS. Since you've spelled out the unacceptability of the source, I'm debating on whether my next step (if he tries to use it in article space again) will be final warning or something else. Three day weekend, so I'll be able to follow up some tomorrow. Will at least keep the relevant tabs open after that (working at a preschool from 9-6 is damn tiring, though). Ian.thomson (talk) 23:38, 21 September 2019 (UTC)


How you would versed that sentence ? Bolded is my addition.

. A later study found that Herto man and his contemporaries were cranially similar to Oceanians, with Northern Melenesians being the closest.[1] Ancient DNA from Homo Idalu need yet to be recover while ancient DNA related to most cranially similar Northern Melanesian was found in Syberia"".[2] (talk) 06:02, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

I cannot even begin to tell what you were trying to say. Ian.thomson (talk) 06:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


  1. ^ Reyes-Centeno, H.; Hubbe, M; Hanihara, T.; Stringer, C.; Harvati, K. (2015), "Testing modern human out-of-Africa dispersal models and implications for modern human origins", Journal of Human Evolution, 87: 95–106, doi:10.1016/j.jhevol.2015.06.008, PMID 26164107
  2. ^


  Cool Dude
You rock! ClaytonAshGames (talk) 22:39, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Infopulse UkraineEdit

Hey, upon reporting a vandal, I noticed that you placed an {Undisclosed paid} tag on Infopulse page. I'm not a very active contributor and do watch this page, contributing to it and a few others from time to time, as I do watch a very limited amount of others like [[3]]. So, there has also been an ad tag on Infopulse page since March, but I still didn't have enough time to rewrite the text in a more neutral way. Can you suggest what would be my next steps as to edit the text there to remove both tags?

--Dimmmkko talk 11:37, 03 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dimmmkko: Disclose your employment on your userpage, following the directions I have left on your userpage. Now. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:02, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: I do work with this company, managing a mobile development project for them. However, I'm editing this wiki page on volunteering basis, in my own free time and don't get payment for it. This page was in awful state and completely neglected before I started editing it back in 2016. I decided to contribute what I know and what I could about the company, and since then I support it with some minor updates here and there. Half a year ago (in March) another wiki admin placed 'advert' tag on it, and I simply didn't have enough time to tone it down, cause I'm only editing it in my free time. I'm not a very active contributor, and only write on specific topics I'm deeply interest in, even on reddit ( cause I'm a bit fed up with emails I have to write daily, and on wiki I prefer reading instead =P So what should be my next steps then? How do I classify my relationship to the company, if I work with them but I'm writing out of my own initiative? EDIT: I've also noticed that another, more advanced user of wiki just made some nice edits to the Ukrainian page, making the article much more neutral and encyclopedic. E.g., will it work if I follow his edits and transfer them to English page?

--Dimmmkko talk 14:18, 03 October 2019 (UTC)

@Dimmmkko: You still need to disclose your employment on your userpage and you should not be directly editing the page. You are being paid by the company you're writing about -- we don't care about any other details.
Also, stop marking all of your edits as minor. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:40, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
@Ian.thomson: That's where things are a bit more complicated. I work WITH this company, not for it. Neither I'm paid by this company at all. Company I work for and Infopulse only joined forces together to work on a mobile development project for a public non-profit organization. We are not even getting profit from it, cause it's a kind of charity/promotional project. Now, I only picked this article back in 2016, cause information in it was very outdated, and since I contributed my own time to it, now I feel responsible for it. That's it. So far, I'm confused as to which type of affiliation I'm supposed to pick here. Dimmmkko talk 10:14, 03 October 2019 (UTC)
@Dimmmkko: Follow the instructions I left on your userpage, including disclosing your employment and not directly editing the article, or be blocked for violating our terms of service. End of discussion. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:51, 4 October 2019 (UTC)


  Well said. I applaud your effort to bridge the cultural gap.

I think (hope) you may have understated it, though. Christians ought to be grateful for NPOV, not just tolerate it. Since they are (I presume) typically in the minority, it's NPOV that guarantees them the right to support their views (with appropriate sourcing, of course). At least in theory. –Blue Hoopy Frood (talk) 15:24, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

M I Anjum ThaheemEdit

Thank you dear Thomson for guiding rules... M I Anjum Thaheem chairman international liasion committee LHCBA for Environmental (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Imran khan pPrime Minister of Pakistan is great international leader... His wisdom has beyond the mental and means level of Mr Moodi the Indian terrorist M I Anjum Thaheem chairman international liasion committee LHCBA for Environmental (talk) 17:14, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

We love Kashmir we love PTI and Pakistan... We love Islam... A peaceful religion...... We condemn Indian Moodi terrorism in Kashmir.......... M I Anjum Thaheem chairman international liasion committee LHCBA for Environmental (talk) 17:17, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

We love Kashmir we love PTI and Pakistan... We love Islam... A peaceful religion...... We condemn Indian Moodi terrorism in Kashmir.......... M I Anjum Thaheem chairman international liasion committee LHCBA for Environmental (talk) 17:17, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Five years of adminshipEdit

Wishing Ian.thomson a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Chris Troutman (talk) 23:50, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

WP:THQ#Politically corrupt vandalism hunters?Edit

Hi Ian. I saw you closed this thread once and even went as far to post an explanation as to why on Skalle-Per Hedenhös's user talk page, but he/she started things up again. I've closed it a second time, but not sure where to go next if he/she keeps going. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:43, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm *this* close to a WP:NOTHERE block with them. Ian.thomson (talk) 09:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
After ready their unblock request, it seems that you was correct in blocking the account and they were unlikely going to stop unless you did. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/306 RecordsEdit

What's your take on Royalty Records, another obscure Canadian label whose page was created by Eric444 and never expanded? Damian Marshall is another one of their works that has become quite obscure.

I think that Eric444 was editing in good faith, but man are some of these Canadian country singers and their labels obscure. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 04:18, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@TenPoundHammer: I've not had time to confirm an absence of sources but as it stands I'd !vote delete. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:59, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
@TenPoundHammer: So, glancing a bit for sources this morning, I'm seeing more for a Nigerian company by that name ([4], [5], [6], [7]) and only passing mentions for the Canadian company ([8], [9], [10], [11], [12]) including one that mentions that the Canadian label is dead. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
After further digging, I'm now inclined to keep. This is pretty substantial and many releases from the label have been up for or won Juno Awards. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 03:05, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!Edit

  Hey, Ian.thomson. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day!
PATH SLOPU 15:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!Edit

White PrivilegeEdit

Hey, you're rather correct about China having a distinct preference for white foreigners; a lot of China-work forums had long-running posts where black expats would swap warnings, stories and tips for dealing with racism that I almost never faced. However, treating white privilege within the sense of the "backpack" framework makes that particular colorist hierarchy slightly out of scope; certainly enough for tedious racists and anti-social-science tendentious types to make the article talk into one of those tedious never-ending arguments that have me stepping back from Wikipedia. Anyway, I am disinclined to reply at Talk:White Privilege as part of my attempt to reduce the extent I let myself get dragged into fights on Wikipedia, but I thought dropping you a note might at least be called for. Simonm223 (talk) 18:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

I definitely need to work hard at the formatting.

Balayka (talk) 23:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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