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More opinions needed at Requested move Nineteen Eighty-Four → 1984Edit

It would be really helpful to get more opinions here. Thanks! PermStrump(talk)

Novels by Colin DexterEdit

The articles on the 13 Inspector Morse series novels by Colin Dexter need work. Only one includes reviews of the novels, and few have any inline citations at all. The first novel is Last Bus to Woodstock, from which you can access the following twelve. I put in a References section in each article, anticipating that there will be inline citations some day. Few have a Plot summary that covers the resolution as well as the crimes, fewer list the the characters. I read one of the novels, The Jewel That Was Ours, and I found two reviews of that novel online. My plot summary is too long by 400 words, so I need to shorten it someday. Two of his novels won the Gold Dagger award for Crime novels, and there is no plot summary for one of those novels nor any external reviews.

I have read just the one book in the series, so I cannot do more than set up a more consistent pattern in the articles. I could hunt for reviews, which I suspect are out there, online perhaps. There is a book cited in each article that apparently collects reviews of the novels, but I do not have that book. The novels were adapted into a television series, and then two more television series, on following the main character's death (Inspector Lewis or Lewis), and the other exploring Morse's early days in the police force (Endeavour). The actor who player Morse, John Thaw, was a very good actor, drawing many viewers to the television series. I tried to separate the mentions of the adaptations from the sections on the novels. There is an article with a List of Inspector Morse episodes, and the plot summaries in those are mainly blurbs; even the longer ones never get to the denouement. Anyway, there are many opportunities for work on the articles about the novels or about the television series. I did expect that the novels would have more complete articles, given the interest in the series, so help is welcome! --Prairieplant (talk)

ELNEVER policy violations throughout the Harry Potter articlesEdit

  • See WP:ELNEVER:

    For policy or technical reasons, editors are restricted from linking to the following, without exception: Policy: material that violates the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked, whether in an external-links section or in a citation. ... Knowingly directing others to material that violates copyright might be considered contributory copyright infringement.

  • See Harry Potter articles linking to http://www.accio-quote.org, which seems to exist only to host copyright violations related to Harry Potter. (The website mostly hosts scanned copies of news articles.)

These policy violations should be removed from all Harry Potter articles: please mark them done as you replace or remove the ELNEVER accio-quote references.

  1. Albus Dumbledore
  2. Avatar (computing)   Done Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 19:01, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
  3. Bumblebee   Done Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 03:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
  4. The Chronicles of Narnia   Done ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
  5. Draco Malfoy
  6. Dumbledore's Army
  7. Elizabeth Goudge   Done DanCherek (talk) 23:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  8. Fictional portrayals of psychopaths   Done SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  9. Fictional universe of Harry Potter
  10. Ginny Weasley   Done DanCherek (talk) 18:54, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  11. Harry Potter (GA)   Done Olivaw-Daneel (talk) 20:59, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
  12. Harry Potter (character)
  13. Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
  14. Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
  15. Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
  16. Harry Potter fandom
  17. Harry Potter (film series)   Done DanCherek (talk) 23:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  18. Harry Potter influences and analogues
  19. Hermione Granger
  20. Hogwarts
  21. Jessica Mitford   Done SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:42, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  22. John Nettleship   Done ~ L 🌸 (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
  23. List of fictional cats in literature   Done DanCherek (talk) 18:40, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  24. List of supporting Harry Potter characters
  25. London Underground in popular culture   Done DanCherek (talk) 19:02, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  26. Lord Voldemort
  27. Low fantasy   Done DanCherek (talk) 18:57, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  28. Luna Lovegood
  29. Magic in fiction   Done SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:29, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  30. Magic in Harry Potter
  31. Magical creatures in Harry Potter
  32. Magical objects in Harry Potter
  33. Magician (fantasy)   Done SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:44, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  34. Minerva McGonagall
  35. Ministry of Magic
  36. Muggle
  37. Neville Longbottom
  38. Order of the Phoenix (fictional organisation)
  39. Places in Harry Potter
  40. Politics of Harry Potter
  41. Religious debates over the Harry Potter series (FA, commented out for now)
  42. Religion in The Chronicles of Narnia
  43. Remus Lupin
  44. Robbie Coltrane   Done DanCherek (talk) 00:29, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
  45. Ron Weasley
  46. Rubeus Hagrid
  47. Severus Snape
  48. Shipping (fandom)
  49. Sirius Black   Done DanCherek (talk) 00:31, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
  50. Snape, Suffolk   Done ~ L 🌸 (talk) 05:45, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
  51. The Tales of Beedle the Bard
  52. This Is Spinal Tap   Done SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:53, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  53. Three Witches   Done DanCherek (talk) 23:58, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  54. West Country English   Done SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
  55. Wizarding World

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

PS, because J. K. Rowling has been extensively reworked to remove the hosting of copyright violations, it is a good place to look for alternate sources. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:42, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
Also, in replacing or removing the accio-quote links, please take care also with The Leaky Cauldron (website), which is a blog and a fansite (not a WP:RS). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:43, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Is the situation this simple? The first reference I checked at Hermione Granger (within the domain name, it's /articles/2004/0804-ebf.htm) appears to be a transcript of Rowling on a book festival panel, not published elsewhere. It's not a copy of a news article as far as I can see: the text seems unpublished elsewhere, except mirrored on the Harry Potter Wiki. Most of the other stuff I've seen on the site is this sort of transcription of real life panels or early internet interviews where the content would not be permanently logged. Likely unreliable but I don't know if it's copyright violating. On the other hand, where there are news article transcripts, the solution may be to cite that news article directly. — Bilorv (talk) 17:43, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
Most of them are scanned news articles (which sometimes cannot be found, even using Proquest); there are occasional interviews, but we should never link to an external link that hosts copyright violations, so that rules out the dubious reliability of the interviews (which are used for a lot of content that is possibly not DUE anyway, if no one else published it). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:18, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Are these books the same title?Edit

Is The Magic Bedknob; or, How to Become a Witch in Ten Easy Lessons and the The Magic Bed Knob the same book or different books by author Mary Norton. Dwanyewest (talk) 03:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

The two books show the same ISBN in the respective info boxes. That looks like the same book being described in two separate articles. I did not look up who added the ISBN in each case. -- Prairieplant (talk) 20:30, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Edit wikiproject banner template to remove reference to "articles mentioned below"?Edit

It was just pointed out to me that Template:WikiProject Novels makes a reference to "articles mentioned below", but a talk page wikiproject banner will never have articles listed below...? You can see it in situ, for example, at Talk:Devil in a Blue Dress. I've never noticed this before but it now seems very off. I think the project banner template ought to be edited so that, instead of saying If you would like to participate, you can edit one of the articles mentioned below, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and contribute to the general Project discussion to talk over new ideas and suggestions. it just said If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and contribute to the general Project discussion to talk over new ideas and suggestions. Is there consensus to make this edit? Or are there supposed to be "articles mentioned below" on talk pages?? ~ L 🌸 (talk) 19:47, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

I think that may have been a relic from 2006 (example). In any case, I support the proposed change. DanCherek (talk) 19:51, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Ah, that would make sense for the origin of the phrase! Then it seems unlikely that someone will come out of the woodwork explaining why the existing language should stay; I'll go forward semi-boldly in changing it. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 04:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Imprisoned with the Pharaohs#Requested move 17 March 2022Edit

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Imprisoned with the Pharaohs#Requested move 17 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. signed, 511KeV (talk) 08:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Featured Article Save Award for J. K. RowlingEdit

There are three Featured Article Save Award nominations at Wikipedia talk:Featured article review/J. K. Rowling/archive1. Please join the discussion to recognize and celebrate editors who helped assure this article would retain its featured status. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The Proud and the FreeEdit

 

The article The Proud and the Free has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Wholly lacking in reliable sources (about the topic) and evidence of notability for 11.84 years

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You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 20:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

A less than two minute search revealed this book which is helpful and anyone can use to tidy up the article. I've added a sentence to start the process. Also fixed the WP:CWW issue. There are probably other sources - the author was a communist and somewhat controversial. Suggest removing the tag, Fourthords. Victoria (tk) 21:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sourcesEdit

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft article - The Fowl Twins Get What They DeserveEdit

Not sure if this is the right place, but just letting you know there's a draft article about the Third Fowl Twins novel at Draft:The Fowl Twins Get What They Deserve if anyone's interested in improving it. It's barely anything at the minute.

I partially filled out the infobox and deleted the text that was already there. KaraLG84 (talk) 23:16, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Contested Jack Vance novels merger to Demon PrincesEdit

There is a discussion at Talk:Demon Princes. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:12, 7 June 2022 (UTC)