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More opinions needed at Requested move Nineteen Eighty-Four → 1984Edit

It would be really helpful to get more opinions here. Thanks! PermStrump(talk)

Novels by Colin DexterEdit

The articles on the 13 Inspector Morse series novels by Colin Dexter need work. Only one includes reviews of the novels, and few have any inline citations at all. The first novel is Last Bus to Woodstock, from which you can access the following twelve. I put in a References section in each article, anticipating that there will be inline citations some day. Few have a Plot summary that covers the resolution as well as the crimes, fewer list the the characters. I read one of the novels, The Jewel That Was Ours, and I found two reviews of that novel online. My plot summary is too long by 400 words, so I need to shorten it someday. Two of his novels won the Gold Dagger award for Crime novels, and there is no plot summary for one of those novels nor any external reviews.

I have read just the one book in the series, so I cannot do more than set up a more consistent pattern in the articles. I could hunt for reviews, which I suspect are out there, online perhaps. There is a book cited in each article that apparently collects reviews of the novels, but I do not have that book. The novels were adapted into a television series, and then two more television series, on following the main character's death (Inspector Lewis or Lewis), and the other exploring Morse's early days in the police force (Endeavour). The actor who player Morse, John Thaw, was a very good actor, drawing many viewers to the television series. I tried to separate the mentions of the adaptations from the sections on the novels. There is an article with a List of Inspector Morse episodes, and the plot summaries in those are mainly blurbs; even the longer ones never get to the denouement. Anyway, there are many opportunities for work on the articles about the novels or about the television series. I did expect that the novels would have more complete articles, given the interest in the series, so help is welcome! --Prairieplant (talk)

Nancy Drew Featured article reviewEdit

I have nominated Nancy Drew for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:38, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

List of bestsellers in the US: no referencesEdit

Greetings Wikipedians! Today I noticed that there no references to support Publishers Weekly list of bestselling novels in the United States in the 1950s. That is also the case for the lists for all years prior to 2006. In a normal Wikipedia article, there would be an inline citation to a references section citing specific sources for this list, to which one could go to verify accuracy. I'm not questioning the accuracy of the article, just the reason for deviating from Wikipedia policy. Is this perhaps an area for improvement? I'd be glad to help, but would like some background on this before I begin. As a compulsive reader of book reviews, I have followed the weekly bestseller lists for decades. Cordially, BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 19:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello BuzzWeiser196, good catch. It looks like the information on that page has gone basically unchanged since the first version in 2006, when wikipedia norms for sourcing were not so stringent. My own guess is that someone had access to a source of some kind which they used but did not cite, and nobody in the intervening years has taken the time to do further research. I often see articles like that, especially when the sourcing is in print rather than online. It would certainly be an improvement for verifiable sourcing to be added. Poking around, I wonder if 70 Years of Best Sellers, 1895-1965 by Alice Payne Hackett might be a more convenient source than locating each year's article individually. I'm not sure what the most elegant way to actually link the references would be, but maybe Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists would have useful advice. I'm not very familiar with bestseller lists but it looks like this is an area where there is a lot of good work to be done! ~ oulfis 🌸(talk) 22:28, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks @User:Oulfis. I'll put this on my list of things to do. The Hackett book looks promising. Used copies readily available at reasonable prices. BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 11:40, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
This sourece here has the best seller for years 1900 to 1998, just the number one for the year, not the top ten. This source here has the list of the top ten from Publishers Weekly for 1900 to 2005. This third source here lists the fiction and nonfiction best sellers and book of the month club offerings.
Publishers Weekly website has an Archive page, which does not seem to show the results of one year, but of one week, from 1991 to 2012. The books, once the date is selected, come out in an apparently random order, here. The front page of the bestseller list seems to be for the current week, and has a list for every genre here. I think it might be necessary to subscribe to PW to see any further into their archive.
Is any one of these an acceptable source for Wikipedia? --Prairieplant (talk) 20:45, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
User:Prairieplant: Great work! Thank you. The Krueger Books website (http://www.kruegerbooks.com/books/best-sellers) you found may be the source of the Wikipedia lists. Krueger Books states here that their source was Publishers Weekly (PW). I picked a random year, 1953, and both Wikipedia and Krueger list the same books in the same order. My thoughts: We could re-characterize the Wikipedia lists as something like "As compiled by KruegerBooks.com" and link to their site. I notice that Krueger claims a copyright on the pages that contain these lists (and much other material on their website). That raises the issue of whether the Wikipedia lists violate Krueger's copyright. Before we decide to use Krueger as our reference, I think we should escalate that issue to some higher Wikipedia authority for resolution. Someone could get a one-month subscription to PW ($15) and do some cross-checking to determine if the Wikipedia lists are exactly as listed by PW. That sounds like the beginning of an exhaustive research project. I welcome any thoughts on the above. BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 11:35, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

DraculaEdit

Hi, everyone! Two days ago, I pushed a full rewrite of Dracula to mainspace. It was, in my view, pretty bad previously. I'm here to do something similar for what I did when I updated The Turn of the Screw and solicit feedback. I'll be taking the article to GA, and then probably FAC not too long after that. If you think something sounds wrong, you can let me know (or fix it yourself, if you like!); if anything is confusing, just give me a ping here, on the Talk, or on my user talk. The article isn't finished yet, though. If you have a look at Talk:Dracula, you can see the list of changes I mean to make in the near-future. If there's any questions you have, or comments, or anything at all, I'd be really open to hearing it. Open to all suggestions and I promise I'm very friendly. — ImaginesTigers (talkcontribs) 01:08, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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