I am using this space to create my sandbox. MarnetteD | Talk 20:57, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Here is another. MarnetteD|Talk 21:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
and one more MarnetteD|Talk 22:13, 10 March 2018 (UTC)


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I believe I've dealt with this editor before when he was editing similar articles using a different IP. He made the same "kids who know nothing hassling smart old me" comments. At the time, he claimed to be a University Professor in Media or some such, posting from his office. Of course, his IP info said differently. He was blocked then, and this new instance is blocked. JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:37, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Here are the links:
JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:41, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for all the info and the links JoeSperrazza. I appreciate you taking the time to do this and it will be good to have it in one place. In the AN report Binksternet supplied the link to a previous ANI discussion seen here Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive887#IP troll Stubbornness or trolling either way it is a shame really. Oh, flunking students that disagreed with you is the opposite of what being and educator is about. Thanks again and cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:46, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
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(talk page stalker) This is User:Nate Speed. Sro23 (talk) 22:19, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Ah - thanks for the explanation P. The flipping out in the edit summaries is familiar. If my memory dredges up any names I'll let you know. MarnetteD|Talk 22:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Excellent Sro23!! Thanks for posting. MarnetteD|Talk 22:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks NinjaRobotPirate. This is all ringing some bells - I think you may have told me about this before. If so I'm glad you refreshed my memory. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 07:23, 4 November 2017 (UTC)


Dahlias in Walsdorf

I like today's Main page, with the TFA on the anniversary day (of both dedication and our concert), a DYK, and a great photographer who didn't make it soon enough, Jürgen Schadeberg, - more on my talk, mostly about the tribute to Brian who shared his sources. --User:Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Both the main page article and the dahlias are a nice tribute to Brian Gerda Arendt. Thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 21:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, - good music to start with, and I had the great pleasure to hear twice (Dunedin Consort and Collegium Vocale Gent) and sing once (my first! ... on 1 September) last year. The pic (permanent on my user page this year) looks almost unreal now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
You are welcome. MarnetteD|Talk 21:15, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
In contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. A funeral in 2 days. Brute. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
My deepest commiserations. Gerda. MarnetteD|Talk 15:08, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, but please also listen ;) - I miss Jerome as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Residence in infoboxEdit


Have you noticed editors (IPs usually, so I'm not sure if it is one or many, or if there are accounts also that I haven't noticed) changing the infobox from person to something else that still has residence.

I see these when the new infobox has an error. Today there was this edit going from person to writer just to be able add residence. It caused an error because writer doesn't have height (which in this case isn't relevant and shouldn't have been in the infobox anyway). There was also this edit, by the same IP, which changed person to author, apparently just to make the existing residence visible again, and caused an error because author doesn't have a footnotes para.

I asked if we should discuss removing residence from other infoboxes in January, but there was no comment. What do you think? The RFC on hometown is still open, and the same thing may happen again since hometown is probably also used in some of the other biography infoboxes. Maybe we should wait for that to close and then have another discussion about removing residence and hometown everywhere (unless there is some specific case where it is "key info", like maybe officeholder where there are residency requirements). MB 21:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello MB and thanks for this post. I did not know that was happening. I am aware that there are some infoboxes out there (I think the "singer" box is one) that did not get the field deactivated when the "person" one had it removed last year. Looks like the IP didn't like the outcome of Template talk:Infobox person/Archive 34#Residence parameter. I have seen editors try this kind of thing before. I don't think we would need another discussion for the subsidiary (there might be a better word but I can't think of it at the moment) infoboxes since they are all offshoots (there it is :-) ) of the "person" one - but I could be wrong. I filed this Template talk:Infobox writer#Edit request to try and get the field removed at that infobox. We will see what happens there as that could answer our question. In my rfc about the hometown field Template talk:Infobox person#Home town field I did ask that it be removed from the offshoot infoboxes. Thanks again for your post. MarnetteD|Talk 22:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Infoboxes should be treated with extreme caution. Not everyone likes them in all places. WP:BRD applies and if they're reverted as part of that process, then a discussion should take place. Snaresbrook Crown Court, I see, now has one and it is in utter eyesore. The person who added it, Paul Carpenter, whilst good intentioned, filled it with errors and knows nothing of what troubles infoboxes can cause. I'm whacked out with trying to fight for the rights of those who don't want them on the articles they create, so I've left him to it. We are in a race to the bottom on this site, sadly. CassiantoTalk 22:32, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I know what you are dealing with Cassianto. MB's post is about a specific field rather than the overall item. Hang in there and I hope your first week of September is a pleasant one. MarnetteD|Talk 22:39, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I doubt that edit request will work. Everytime I asked for a change to a template that way, it was denied because I didn't provide the exact (pre-tested) code. I have learned to approach a specific Template Editor. There should probably be a category Category:Infobox person using residence like, so there is a little work involved. MB 23:11, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I haven't worked with this before MB so thanks for adding your experience. I'm not sure what pretesting is needed. AFAIK there wasn't any pretesting when the field was removed from the person infobox. Oh well. As to the category your suggestion is a good one. The current one has been whittled it down from over 38,000 last November by a few of us :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:18, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
I forgot to mention - if there is no sourced info in the an article that uses the writer infobox as to a persons residence it can still be removed. MarnetteD|Talk 23:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Update MB. This has happened so you can remove it in any of those infoboxes you come across. MarnetteD|Talk 01:14, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
This has been my experience with edit requests on templates. Glad Jonesey95 saw this, he is one of the very helpful TEs I go to directly. Anyway, Category:Pages using Infobox writer with unknown parameters is up to 870 and still growing. I had this at zero, so these are all |residence=. Maybe we should ask Jonesey to dump these into Category:Infobox person using residence too and maybe rename it to Category:Pages with a biography infobox using residence. That way they are all in one place, and we have a category that can be used for the other templates as well. (Unless you don't want that one to go up after all your work :) MB 05:14, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
All of the articles using |residence= in the infobox will sort under "R", since they are sorted by the parameter name. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:36, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Oof MB now I see what you were talking about. Thanks for the explanation Jonesey95. After all these months of editing I would like to empty the current category before dumping any other articles into - should be done before the end of the year. But that is probably just me being O/C. We will get them all eventually - the good lord willing and the creeks don't rise - gads you have to be as old as me to remember that phrase :-) Cheers to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 08:15, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok, there are 1250 more now in the writer category waiting for you next year :) By the way, if you are keeping track, I just ran across {{Infobox professional wrestler}} that has |resides=. More future work. Bye the way again, I do remember that phrase. MB 01:19, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the update MB. Always stuff for us wikignomes to while away the hours on :-) I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembers that saying. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 01:23, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

Regarding a Infobox editEdit

Hello MarnetteD. Greetings!. Recently you removed Infobox CSS properties in article: Sudeep. Would you give a brief on how its deprecated? --Gpkp [utc] 14:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gpkp. The residence field has been deactivated for that infobox and is, thus, deprecated. I also cleaned up the image section per the documentation for the field at {{Infobox person}}. None of the parameters that were there work on this wikipedia. I have a suspicion that they were copy pasted from another wiki where they were used but that is just a guess on my part. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 19:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you MarnetteD, for the info. In {{Infobox person}}, for the image parameter, its mentioned as ′...do not use an image placeholder′. Dummy images of male and female are forbidden to use. Actually in the present article of discussion, I used this template: {{CSS image crop}} which is allowed in wiki. Would you agree if the CSS properties are reinstated? (not the residence field).
--Gpkp [utc] 16:03, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I see the difference now Gpkp. Please change it back if you haven't already. MarnetteD|Talk 18:08, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you MarnetteD, I've changed it back. --Gpkp [utc] 06:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


Saw your update and just had to name drop a little. Back in early 1984 I had the privilege of auditioning for Kubrick (it was for Full Metal Jacket). It was a bit of a thrill, even if I did blow the audition. Onel5969 TT me 03:34, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

What an incredible experience Onel5969. The closest I ever got to the man was having been in the section of the now gone Stapleton International Airport that is seen briefly as Halloran walks through it after his plane has landed in Colorado. Considering that was a second unit filming situation I didn't get all that close to SK :-) The mention in Rama is both clever and cute. I'll wait to post about it to see if any of my TPW's know about it. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 04:08, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
To be clear, I didn't actually meet him. He was in London and I was in L.A. at the time. I spoke to him on the phone from my agent's office. It was actually a bit of a fiasco. I had a friend who's mother knew Hasford, who wrote the book, Short-Timers. When she read it, she said she immediately thought of me in the role of Joker. She also knew Kubrik and called him to tell him about me. We talked and he set up a video shoot for me to audition for him. When I got there, the video staff was pretty abrupt and arrogant, and I was a bit put off. Not my best audition. In fact, most likely my worst.  . Onel5969 TT me 13:00, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the followup O. Makes me think that today it would have just been a Zoom situation between you and SK and might have gone better :-) MarnetteD|Talk 15:06, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Deprecated fields in infoboxesEdit

When were "birth_name" and "other_names" deprecated? I noticed your removal of those items from Jimmy Lydon.

On a related topic, does Wikipedia have a page that lists deprecated fields or a means of notifying when a field is deprecated? How is an editor to keep up with changes like that? When I checked tonight, "birth_name" and "other_names" are still shown on the Template:Infobox person page, so I don't know how to monitor changes. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:36, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Eddie Blick you are correct so I'll add this longish explanation. Please note the documentation for the fields at {{Infobox person/doc}}. For birth name "Name at birth; only use if different from |name=" The field really is meant for people like Michael Caine or Kirk Douglas whose birth names are entirely different from the names they are known by. In this case Jimmy is the nickname for James so it is not different in any material way. I should also note that parents rarely use only an initial for their child's middle name. In fact as I look through the article there is no sourced info confirming that middle initial of "J". If you can find one that would be great. As to other names the guideline reads "Other notable names for the person, if different from |name= and |birth_name=" James Lydon is exactly the same name. Thus the removal is correct for both. If you look at the infobox before my edit you have the same info in it three times - three and a half if you count the caption for the pic :-) Now the edit summary comes from the fact that I am helping to clean out the Category:Infobox person using residence because the residence field is deprecated. The cat started at over 38,000 articles last November. In trying to get as many done as possible each day I use the drop down menu for the edit summary so I understand the concern and confusion on your part since I use the briefest one that comes up first. While these two name fields are still part of the infobox they are in a sense "deprecated" since they were used incorrectly. As to your other question - yes keeping up with changes is a hassle around here since they happen all the time. In this specific case you can look at the documentation for the template to see if the fields have been removed from it. Other places to ask include the talk page for the template as well as the WP:HD or the WP:VPT. I hope this is of some help. I also hope you have a pleasant weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 02:24, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, MarnetteD. I apologize for asking a question that was so involved. I should have paid more attention to the changes before asking. I appreciate your help and your time. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
No apologies needed Eddie Blick though they are appreciated. We all have our own editing style here at the 'pedia. The mistake that gets made is thinking that all the other editors have edited the same way and have had the same experiences that we have. I was happy to answer your questions and, in fact, I'll now be able to copy paste this post for any other editors that might have the same question in the future :-) Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 04:04, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Yes, we all come to Wikipedia with varied backgrounds and perspectives, so it's easy to view articles and editing in different ways. Additionally, Wikipedia has so many facets of guidelines, style, etc. I started here in 2014, and I still encounter things I didn't know about what to do or not do. I appreciate your work on the Category:Infobox person using residence. I have worked on Category:Unassessed biography articles, but sometimes I tire of it and take a break. I also try to watch for infoboxes that need tidying in areas such as removing non-notable parents' names and changing "children" from names to a number except for those who are notable. We each contribute in our own way. Eddie Blick (talk) 18:48, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

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Me too. That's why you're seeing so many of these again. Sorry. Ref's aren't my thing... too busy with NPP. Onel5969 TT me 22:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Sooo true O. When I see one of those YouTube heavy bare url pages I just have to "gird my loins" for the task ahead. Perhaps a slight exaggeration but I've never been able to use that phrase to describe editing here :-) I hope you have a pleasant week. MarnetteD|Talk 23:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ben RamalingamEdit

You removed a bare url tag from Ben Ramalingam with the edit summary “use of EL's needs to be cleaned up first” I’m afraid I don’t understand what you mean? Theroadislong (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Apologies Theroadislong. I used the wrong edit summary. The way those refs are set up they do meet the criteria at WP:CITEFOOT. However if you want the refs in that article to be formatted with cite templates you will need to strip out everything but the url in the ref tags. For example you would need to change this <ref>Change Makers [https://startnetwork.org/change-makers Change Makers Call]. Start Network. Retrieved 6 October 2020.</ref> into this <ref>https://startnetwork.org/change-makers</ref>. Neither refill nor citer can fix a reference with anything other than the url within the tags. Again my apologies for the confusion. MarnetteD|Talk 18:45, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

October harvestEdit


today's music is particularly charming, - enchanting, said a critic about the Mendelssohn that I heard on 3 October, - this video is older, and the YT in the article comes with a Bach encore as she played for us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Very nice Gerda Arendt. Thanks for brightening up my Sunday. MarnetteD|Talk 21:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
more black and white on 16 October --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for this GA. This adds to a day that I'm celebrating my late mother's and Oscar Wilde's birthday. Enjoy your weekend. MarnetteD|Talk 20:29, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Beautiful Main page today, don't miss the pic by a banned user (of a 2013 play critical of refugee politics), nor a related video, interviews in German, but music and scene. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:34, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Belated thanks Gerda. All three links led to my adding to my learning today. Much appreciated. MarnetteD|Talk 03:44, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
That's a great way to say it, - thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

You saidEdit

"plz don't use that template". Fair enough, but I was really counting on it to remind the article creator about this bad habit. Deb (talk) 19:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Deb. Sadly - or maybe it is gladly since it gives me something to do :-) - there are a whole bunch of editors who create articles with bare urls and then let others format them. Some of them put the fix tag at the top of the article while others let someone else (like you) do it. You might try posting on their talk page with any suggestions that you have but I know that doesn't always work. From my end setting refill on its way to fixing the bare urls is so much easier when there is just one template at the top of the article. Anything you can do to help will be much appreciated. Thank you for all the work you do here at the 'pedia. MarnetteD|Talk 19:38, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
No, thank you. My problem is I've been here so long that I'm still doing things the old-fashioned way when other people are making the most of the utilities available. In this particular case, however, I know that he will do it again and again if he doesn't need to clean up after himself. Deb (talk) 07:06, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar for youEdit

  The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
Okay, so I don't always click the "thank" option on the numerous times you fix many of the rawlinks I can't fix using reflinks. I could. But I actually thought you might get irritated by dozens of thanks from me. But don't think I don't notice, and don't appreciate all that work you do. Gnomes like you make this project better. Kudos. Bravo. Well done old chap. Onel5969 TT me 00:12, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you kindly Onel5969. This is much appreciated. At least the thanks are blue pings. Logging on and seeing a red number on the bell often leads to a "okay what did I do wrong this time feeling" or a "what mess is going to need cleaning up." The old huge "orange bar of death" did the same thing :-) At least the current small one usually - occasionally - from time to time - means someone has left a nice message on my talk page or a nice gift like this one. Many thanks again. MarnetteD|Talk 00:24, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Hard BoiledEdit

Hello. Please can I ask you to read Wikipedia:Categorization thanks. (talk) 02:49, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

I've read it and know it well. Try reading WP:CATVER. MarnetteD|Talk 02:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
What do you mean Read CATVER?? That's a portion of the very same page you clearly show you know nothing about. Hard Boiled is a heroic bloodhed film so say the sources. See Heroic bloodshed for more info. (talk) 02:54, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I clearly am able to read but you seem to have WP:CIR problems - there has to be sourced info in the article. In that article there isn't. MarnetteD|Talk 02:56, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Maybe I have got CIR problems but how the heck do you source a category? Article space is one thing but if you put a source next to a category it doesn't even show up on saved. (talk) 02:58, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Pasted from article: [1] (talk) 02:59, 13 October 2020 (UTC)


  1. ^ Morton, Lisa (2001). The Cinema of Tsui Hark. McFarland. p. 62. ISBN 0-7864-0990-8.
If you don't know how to source an item into an article then you have CIR problems. MarnetteD|Talk 03:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
All right. Can you yourself do it though? (talk) 03:11, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
As I look at it the whole category would be better as a list article. Others may feel differently so I have started a discussion here Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 13#Category:Heroic bloodshed films. Feel free to add your input there. I will leave the article as is pending the outcome of the discussion. MarnetteD|Talk 03:41, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Removal of "birth_name" parameterEdit

Hi, this parameter is still functional, please stop removing it, thx. Heiko Gerber (talk) 20:51, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Heiko Gerber. Please see my post at this thread User talk:MarnetteD#Deprecated fields in infoboxes. As I mentioned there the documentation for the field states "Name at birth; only use if different from |name=" so I am only following that policy. MarnetteD|Talk 21:21, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok but I dont really understand the removal here:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jukka_Hild%C3%A9n&diff=984049886&oldid=984045707, cause the name is different (Jukka Henry Mikael Hildén / Jukka Hildén) ?? Heiko Gerber (talk) 21:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Adding middle names makes it longer but not different Heiko Gerber. As I've mention above the field is to be used only if the birth name is entirely different a la Michael Caine or Kirk Douglas. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 21:29, 17 October 2020 (UTC)


I just noticed you started working on infobox writer. I was expecting to get these done before you finished person :) I noticed you are leaving |nationality=. It is usually redundant per WP:INFOBOXNTLY - not sure if you are aware of this, it's relatively new. MB 04:00, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for making me aware of that MB. Fri or Sat Primebot started removing the residence field and cut the number left from 7700 to just over 200. It stopped last night so I polished off the rest today. I was kinda glad about that as, after 11 months of chipping away at the category I did want the dubious honor of getting the last few manually. I know we need to start getting the hometown ones that are still out there in other infoboxes including the person one. I did get a chunk of them after the RFC but there are many still to zap. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 04:23, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of The British Theatre Guide for deletionEdit


A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The British Theatre Guide is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The British Theatre Guide (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. StarM 18:26, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Whoops, thought I turned off Twinkle setting to notify you but see I didn't when I came to leave a non templated note. Apologies for blatant DTTR violation. StarM 18:32, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

No worries Star Mississippi. Things like that happen. I do appreciate your followup post. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 17:20, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

RIP SeanEdit

On reading of Sean Connery's death this morning I reflected on the fact that it has been a sad year for Bond film fans. Honor Blackman from Goldfinger passed in April then Diana Rigg from On Her Majesty's Secret Service in September. Some of the films he made while trying to break away from Bond are among my favorites including The Red Tent where he played Roald Amundsen, Wind and the Lion as Mulai Ahmed er Raisuni and Robin and Marian as Robin Hood. Many other wonderful films could be in this list but I'll finish by mentioning that The Man Who Would Be King is, for me, one of the greatest adventure films ever made. Thank you for the marvelous memories Sean. MarnetteD|Talk 17:18, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Advice on cleaning up references?Edit

Hi. Any advice on how to improve references either using refill or manually? RJFJR (talk) 01:08, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello RJFJR. You seem to be using refill okay. There is one thing to be aware of (if you aren't already) a reference has to be completely bare for refill to work - like this https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/book-reviews/2001/0315/445335-outofme/ - If there is anything else - dates - author name - even a period at the end of the url https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/book-reviews/2001/0315/445335-outofme/. refill will skip the link. As to manual fixes the first thing I do is run the url at Citer. It fixes a fair amount but you do need to look at the whole ref that it creates to make sure it is okay. For instance it will format a url from Amazon but it won't give it a proper title. Now the ones that are still left bare need to be fixed completely by hand. What I do then is have two or more windows open on my computer. I'll have the editing field for the article in one window. I find the bare url - copy/paste it into a second windows browser and hit enter to see what comes up. Quite often you will find the link is dead so you can slap a {{dead link|date=November 2020}} template on the reference in the article. If something does come up then I have a blank cite web template in my sandbox (which is in a third window) {{cite web |url= |title= |last= |first= |date= |website= |format=PDF|access-date=2020-11-01}} that I copy paste it into the article. I then start to fill the fields with the info available by more copy pasting. Please note my blank template has the "|format=PDF" That is because PDFs will make up the majority of the bare urls that refill and citer won't fix. It is a field I have to remember to remove for those urls that aren't PDFs. Also, there are many sources that don't have enough info to fill all the fields so you can skip or remove them. After you hit "show preview" or "save" it is worth going to the reference section and taking a look at things. Sometimes you will make an error in the formatting. Sometimes a bare url will slip through. Also there might be red messages pointing out that there are things other than formatting that need looking at - for example the "|website=" field doesn't like it if you include the whole url |website=https://www.rte.ie is wrong while |website=www.rte.ie will make the red warning go away. I know this is a brief recap (probably too brief) of some of the ins and outs of formatting bare urls manually. I've been working on them for several years and have gotten used to some of their quirks. I still make mistakes but things can always be fixed with further edits. You will, naturally, get more adept at dealing with them as your editing continues. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 04:26, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I go back and look at some of the recent changes I made to see if people have changed them to know if I'm making mistakes and what I see is sometimes I run refill and then you run refill and fix more references but I haven't figured out why it works better for you. Have a good day. RJFJR (talk) 14:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
Do you know if refill can format a reference if it is a link to a wayback machine internet archive link? RJFJR (talk) 15:17, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
I've noticed our double runs of refill as well RJFJR and I have no idea why that happens. As to the wayback I think I've seen refill format some of them but if it doesn't they have to be done manually as I've never seen citer fix one. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 17:32, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

A cookie for you!Edit

  Sorry for the mass bare URL tagging, Twinkle was glitched. Here is a cookie to show my appreciation. Excutient (talk) 06:04, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
No worries Excutient. Thaks foir the cookie. It is late here so I will save it for breakfast tomorrow morning. MarnetteD|Talk 06:05, 2 November 2020 (UTC)


I want you publish my article. Phavady (talk) 13:11, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) What article? You haven't written an article. Info for MarnetteD: there are no deleted contributions. Bishonen | tålk 15:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC).
Thanks Bishonen. The going rate for publishing a non-existent article is pretty expensive these days :-) MarnetteD|Talk 18:05, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's November cornerEdit


look! - ever so proud of the little article which is my DYK 1500 and relates to DYK 1 - by sheer coincidence! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Very nice Gerda The coincidence doubles that :-) As autumn is my favorite time of year the pic is wonderful. Enjoy your Sunday. MarnetteD|Talk 23:03, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Lovely pic, Gerda. I'm stealing that for my page. Bishonen | tålk 23:25, 7 November 2020 (UTC).
Thank you, love it, would like to walk there with you two, 15 minutes uphill. Bish, thank you for stealing ;) - freely sharing is why we are here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
look today for bright memories --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
... and today more on BB music, a little crusade of mine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:22, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
A special piece of music Gerda. Congrats on your work. Composed by BB with text by a different BB now that brings a :-) to my Sunday. MarnetteD|Talk 18:20, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
... and also the BB who conominated the composer for FAC remembered --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Today's DYK: to be sung "happily" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Thanks yet again Gerda. Well done. MarnetteD|Talk 06:02, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you for your thank...Edit

... so I would like your input on the discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television#ScreenPlay episode list
Jim Craigie (talk) 17:17, 16 November 2020 (UTC)


Brate, ajde ako ti mozes dodaj residance za Baka Prase, meni nece Nalicmali (talk) 21:04, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

FYI the residence field in the infobox has been deactivated. No matter who enters it you wont see the info after hitting save. MarnetteD|Talk 05:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Question re: Bare URLsEdit

Greetings MarnetteD, I have a question re: Bare URLs. I noticed that you removed the maintence tag I added for bare URLs on Ellen Rothenberg, an article I created. I realize I must not understand what bareURLs are. I tagged the article because several of the items that had been added to the Performance and Exhibition sections have links that go directly to URLs for external websites, rather than being added with properly formatted citations. Is there a name for this type of reference type, and is that manner of referencing OK per WP guidelines? Netherzone (talk) 22:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC) Think this has been answered....external urls in body of text. Netherzone (talk) 23:34, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Netherzone. I call them external links that are in the body of the article - though there may be other ways to refer to them. They are frowned on but per IAR and the fact that there were so many of them I left them on that page. One solution is that you put them inside ref tags <ref></ref> and then refill2 can be run on them. That will get them into cite templates. Another possibility is to move them to the External Links section. I hope this is of some help. Best regards and have a nice week. MarnetteD|Talk 01:03, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Quick note on Wipeout (2008 American game show)Edit

Thanks for your edits to Wipeout (2008 American game show). I think someone made a non-constructive edit earlier that did not get removed (look at the intro). I may have removed too much. Aasim (talk) 00:12, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Aasim. I think it okay. I reworded the lede at the top of the page a bit. Then the IP removed the "See also" section which makes senses since all pf those shows are in the navbox at the bottom of the article. They then made this edit which was also useful - section headers should only have the first word capitalized - the removal of the link to the other article was good as it was already linked with the use of the {{Main|Wipeout (2021 game show)}} template just above it. Thanks for double checking and have a nice week. MarnetteD|Talk 01:15, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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I didn’t know that only original airing infos of some TV shows belong in the info box. :I Although I believe CPT only had syndicated rights to the 1977-78 Barney Miller spin-off “Fish” as their logo probably never showed up at the end of the original ABC airings. (talk) 04:55, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

No worries 74. The other info can be noted in the body of the article with a reliable source. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 05:08, 28 November 2020 (UTC)