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Warrant officer schools of the Russian Armed ForcesEdit

Hello everyone!

User Onel5969 moved the article dedicated to Warrant officer schools of the Russian Armed Forces, which was created by splitting the article "Military academies in Russia" in accordance with the reached consensus few month ago, to the draftspace. I've edited the article in the draftspace and submited it for review. Please review the article. K8M8S8 (talk) 18:47, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Are '1st Free French Division' and '1st Motorized Infantry Division' the same thing?Edit

In French Expeditionary Corps (1943–44) rev. 1110682942 (16 Sep 2022) under section #Order of battle, we had doubly linked subsection title "[[1st Free French Division]] aka [[1st Motorized Infantry Division]]". I'm not sure these two article links represent the same thing and are deserving of an "aka". When I followed the links to the two articles, the "§ Composition" section of 1st Free French Division does list 1st, 2nd, and 4th brigades, so seems to be a match with FEC; but 1st Motorised Infantry Division (France) has a long list under "§ Organization" that doesn't seem to be a match. (Above where I say, "we *had*" that subsection, what I means is, it no longer has that title; in an unrelated edit I removed the wikilinks in several section titles, including that one, per MOS:NOSECTIONLINK and then had to decide what to do with those two former "aka" links, and was unsure how to deal with it.) It looks to me like "1st Free" and "1st Motorized" are *not* the same thing, but I'm not that used to dealing with MILHIST, and if someone could help unscramble the situation among these three articles, I'd appreciate it. (It also doesn't help that other than the brief intro, the remainder of "French Expeditionary Corps (1943–44)#Order of battle" section is unsourced.)

Btw, all this came about after I noticed the recent creation of the article 4th Moroccan Mountain Division, for which User:Filiep deserves thanks. Mathglot (talk) 22:39, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

The problem seems to be in translating the French titles. The prewar 1re Division d'Infanterie Motorisée existed until it was disbanded after the French defeat and was not reformed by Vichy. The 1re Division Motorisée d'Infanterie was created by redesignating the 1re Division Française Libre in 1943 and appears to have been disbanded after the war. So they're really two separate units.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 10:41, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
The 1re Division Motorisée d'Infanterie was renamed the 1re division de marche d'infanterie (DMI) on 1 May 1944 and was disbanded on 15 August 1945. I suggest adding a hatnote to the 1st Motorised Infantry Division (France) page, as the reader will almost certainly be seeking information on the better-known Free French unit. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:04, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I found the same thing independently.[1] A related problem, it seems, is just general lack of inline citations. A lot of these articles may date back to pre-2007, when verifiability and citations were not that well observed, but many newer articles seem to have the same problem, and some brand new ones are being created with poor or no citations that would never get through AFC. But I digress. Thanks for the responses; the hatnote sounds like a good idea, and I'll add this source to the article. Mathglot (talk) 07:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
This seems to be a common issue with French divisions; see this recent discussion. BilledMammal (talk) 08:31, 20 September 2022 (UTC)


  1. ^ Clayton, Anthony (1988). France, Soldiers, and Africa. Brassey's Defence Publishers. ISBN 978-0-08-034748-6. OCLC 1027225599. Some idea of the practicalities can be assessed from the semantics ; Koenig's 1re Division Française Libre had to become the 1re Division d'Infanterie Motorisée ( DIM ), on joining the Armée d'Afrique, and later to avoid confusion with the Moroccans, the 1re Division de Marche d'Infanterie. The Division in practice continued to use its old DFL title to the end and the Cross of Lorraine remained on its vehicles. [bold style in the original]

Discussion at Talk:Welsh Revolt § Breverton does not seem to be a good sourceEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Welsh Revolt § Breverton does not seem to be a good source. Jr8825Talk 19:02, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Merger proposal - Discussion at Talk:Advanced Landing Ground - Merge Advanced Landing Ground in Advance airfieldEdit

I propose merging Advanced Landing Ground into Advance airfield. I think the content in Advanced Landing Ground can easily be explained in the context of Advance airfield, and a merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems in Advanced Landing Ground.   You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Advanced Landing Ground. --Bero231 (talk) 08:56, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Raising the Flag at Fort SumterEdit

Hi all, I've raised some concerns about the article Raising the Flag at Fort Sumter on its talk page. If anyone would care to weigh in that would be greatly appreciated. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:14, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

After looking into this, IMO it should be redirected. Hog Farm Talk 03:03, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Liner OrdunaEdit

I know our ship trackers are some of the most enthusiastic here. I have just linked "Orduna" in Commander-in-Chief, South Atlantic. I'm pretty sure it's the right ship, but someone might like to check. Long live the memory of HMS Achilles!! Buckshot06 (talk) 06:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:HD § Editing PhotosEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at WP:HD § Editing Photos. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:02, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps some members of this WikiProject could take a look at this Help Desk discussion. It's related to the article Texas Jack Vermillion and claim that the subject has been misidentified. The article just underwent a major revision that I reverted per WP:STATUSQUO to give the matter a chance to be discussed on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest and Notability questionsEdit


I'm coming back after a wikibreak and I'm contemplating taking a stab at creating my first ever article. I don't know if I have the time nor wikiexperience to do this, and I certainty don't want to put a bunch of work into something that would just get preemptively denied, so I want to make sure I clear some hurdles first.

Through genealogical research I've come across a 3rd cousin 4x removed that I think is an interesting character and would make a good wikiarticle: Julius S. Turrill.

First potential hurdle- Would my quite distant relationship be considered a conflict of interest? It's not anyone I ever personally knew nor ever knew anyone on the entire branch of that family (in fact it's eight relations till I even get to a family member I knew personally). I only discovered him through genealogical research.

Second potential hurdle- I think he seems interesting but would he meet notability guidelines? He commanded a key battalion at Belleau Wood (WWI), 2nd ever commander of and set up the structure of the USMC Reserve, held 3 different, at times overlapping, commissions: USMC (rose to Major, retired as a Colonel, then promoted to Brigadier General on the retired list), US Army- (Commissioned as a 2nd Lt, and eventually made a temporary Lt. Col commission in WWI), & Major General in the Garde d'Haiti as Commandant & Chief of the Gendarmerie. Received both the Army Cross and Navy Cross in addition to numerous Silver Star Citations, the French Legion of Honor and several Croix de Guerre, and at least one Haitian medal, partook in the "Great White Fleet" circumnavigation, At different points he Commanded Marine Barracks Quantico, a naval prison, Cavite in the Philippines, a base on Guam, the American Rest Camp in Southampton in WWI, and possibly (I need to re-find the source to confirm) Naval Station New Orleans. He was a Graduate of UVM and of both the Staff College and the Army School of the Line at a relatively young age, and he may of fought in Cuba, the Philippines, and the boxer Rebellion (those last three as of yet unconfirmed) in addition to WWI. Would that be enough to satisfy notability?


Gecko G (talk) 22:13, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Could he be added, justifiably, with references, to List of commanders-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Haiti, as a major-general in Haitian service? If so, as a chief of defence force in the grade of major-general, he would definitely be notable. Buckshot06 (talk) 16:26, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
On that grounds, no. That list specifically starts in 1934 and he was in there 1920s, after the cacao war and after the worst of the abuses, during the transition of the gendarmerie into the Garde. Gecko G (talk) 17:29, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
You misunderstand me. Any seniormost commanders of any national armed forces - a state's senior military officer - are generally considered notable. Any man that has served as senior military officer (US= general/flag officer) of a state's armed forces. So that goes at least from 1915 - start of the Gendarmerie of Haiti and beforehand. That list needs to be expanded so it covers every senior military officer that has ever headed Haiti's armed forces. Could he be justifiably added on that basis? It appears yes if he was in post in the 1920s. But it must all be tied to multiple independent reliable sources. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
I see. I definitely have sources that he was Commandant of the Gendarmerie. While his commission was from the President of Haiti, Haiti wasn't exactly fully sovereign at the time, does it have to be a fully sovereign state to still meet the notability requirement on that criteria? If not, would any of the other points (individually or collectively) exceed the notability threshold? Gecko G (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
I have been dissecting his period as a major-general and head of an organisation to verify notability on those grounds, but yes, I believe he is notable overall. Ask Hawkeye7 if you want a second opinion. (talk) 06:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Addendum: what I would advise you to start with is adding a couple of referenced paragraphs to Gendarmerie of Haiti about Turrill's period of command. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:03, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Good idea. I'll see about working that up this weekend. Cheers. Gecko G (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Hanford Site Featured article reviewEdit

I have nominated Hanford Site for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate articles for Edward William Black?Edit

These two articles (William Black (soldier) and Edward Black (soldier)) appear to be about the same person (youngest serving soldier in the American Civil War). Perhaps there is an editor here experienced with American Civil War era sources who could sort it out and merge the articles if appropriate? Archer1234 (talk) 10:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Just noting that these were created by the same editor hours apart and had, at least back then, a see also from Edward to William: [1], [2]. Perhaps brothers? Ljleppan (talk) 11:20, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election voting closing soonEdit

Voting for the upcoming project coordinator election closes soon, at 23:59 on 28 September. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. Voting is conducted using simple approval voting and questions for the candidates are welcome. The voting itself is occurring here If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. Hog Farm Talk 20:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Wes NoldenEdit


The article Wes Nolden has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

In its 13.86 years on the site, this article has had—at best— two reliable sources previously, and those were oft subject to blanking by SPAs. With this re-write, only thee sources presented themselves, and the weightiest one is dubious. This has failed the notability guideline for longer than some productive editors have been alive, and even now doesn't meet muster.

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