Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway/Archive 3

List of fylker

Does anybody have a source to check the information on Ranked list of Norwegian counties? The article has no sources and has recently been edited by anons. Regards. Valentinian ^{(talk) / (contribs)} 22:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Population per 1 October 2006 and population changes during 3rd quarter of 2006. Counties.. The most recently updated one. Sam Vimes | Address me 22:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Is Kvitfjell in Øyer?

Is the ski resort of Kvitfjell in Øyer? I can't find a reference to say what municipality it's in. --Montchav 14:36, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No, it's in Ringebu. [1] (the text in the left box says "Kvitfjell, slalom hill and downhill, Ringebu municipality"). Hafjell, on the other hand, is in Øyer. Sam Vimes | Address me 17:20, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Using Norwegian terms

How would you all feel about using Norwegian words and nomenclatures in all Norwegian administrative division article texts? eg, use fylke instead of counties in the text of all Norwegian articles, not just the titles? --Bob 04:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment department

Well now we have an assessment department, to be found here. I suspect a large amount of Norway related articles have not even been tagged, but thats something to get done as we go along. I hope the statistics and other stuff we'll get from it will be of use. Inge 12:22, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Create sub-pages?

I think the main page for this project is too long. I would like to move the standards and conventions part to a sub-page such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway/Conventions and leave a short explanation and link to it in the main page. Any objections?Inge 15:15, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions for Norwegian monarchs

What is meant by this sentence: The early kings uses a form of the name consistent with the sources (Heimskringla et al), but using latin transcription. The early sources are written with the latin alphabet - no latin transcription is necessary.--Barend 12:02, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes that does look a bit strange. Hopefully the person who wrote it has an answer. Since this page now has a slow rate of visitors maybe we could give this question some time to be answered. If we don't find a way to clarify it we can just remove the last bit. Inge 12:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Custom handling for Æ, Ø and Å in Norway-exclusive categories

I am wondering if there could be established a consensus for applying special Norwegian alphabetic collation rules to those categories that exclusively contain Norwegian names. Currently, there is a mix between English conversion and incidents of "regular" handling (as seen in Category:Norwegian writers) but most frequently displaying O and Ø last names tossed together, Å and Aa with A, etc.. I've been informed that technically there is no problem placing such entries after Z, and there is precedence in the Icelandic handling of categories, but is there wide community desire for this method? What do you all think? —MURGH ^disc. 15:53, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

• I would favor indexing persons by Ø, Å etc – for the sake of correctness. Punkmorten 17:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
• I favor indexing and collating using Æ, Ø and Å Inge 19:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment: 2 weeks and not quite yet resembling a wide and passionate community consensus. Having been told there are folk out there who hold fighting such tendencies their chief wiki-task, we had better be more than 3 who favour this. So.. anybody else? MURGH ^disc. 14:23, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

• Though the two weeks have long since come and gone (I've only been using Wikipedia for the last few months) you may still be waiting for another vote to be cast. Although I'm American I speak fluent Swedish, somewhat less than fluent Norwegian, and read but do not speak Danish. But I will just add, "Jag med." They belong after Z. God Jul och Gott Nytt Âr! Robert Greer (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

How do I join?

I've never been in a wikiproject before, is there something I have to do before I can join? Claidheamohmor 21:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The only thing you have to do is add your name to the list of participants. I do however recommend you take a look at the different pages relating to this project: the main page with conventions, the assessment department, the notice board and the portal. Welcome to the project. I hope you like it :)Inge 09:23, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Greenland and Norway

For those of you that remember the previous fuzz about Denmark-Norway, you might wish to contribute regarding the debate about the Scandinavian settlements on Greenland and their relations to Norway, see: Talk:Greenland. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, the similarities are striking Fornadan (t) 23:28, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Strange, fanatic agenda. I've been reverted twice now as POVpusher and vandal. What to do? MURGH ^disc. 18:08, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I have a feeling we might be dealing with somebody we've seen before. Anyway, User:Lar has promised to monitor the situation. Let's all just continue presenting evidence, avoid falling to his level and avoid breaking policy. Don't let it get to you Murgh, his arguments are paper thin. If it is any consolation to you, this situation is even more embarrassing to me, since we're dealing with one of my fellow countrymen. Valentinian ^{T / C} 21:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Encouraging that there is admin awareness. Yes, thx, I'll stay cool and patient then. MURGH ^disc. 22:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Places in Norway founded by Christian IV

I've begun compiling a list of places and buildings founded by Christian IV but my knowledge about the Norwegian material is insufficient. In Denmark we have Christianshavn, Nyboder, Rundetårn, Rosenborg and Børsen. In Germany and Sweden; Kristiansstad, Kristianopel, Kupfermühle, Glückstadt and Christianspris. But what about Norway? All I can think of is Christiania, Kongsberg and Kristiansand. Surely there must be more than this? If I remember correctly Kristiansund was founded by Christian VI. Valentinian ^{T / C} 14:24, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

New category for Norwegian People

I propose we should have a new category under the category Norwegian people, named Norwegian people by county. This category should then contain the 20 counties in Norway in the form Category:People from Rogaland. This would both make the categorisation interesting and would allow further diffusion of Norwegian people. I refer to what is done in Irish people by county and English people by county. Please tell me what you think. Spelemann 14:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

AFD needing attention of editors who read Norwegian

I just sent to AFD from from deletion review an article where the best information is at the Norwegian Wikipedia. The sourcing found in that article is primarily in Norwegian, and the new AFD discussion could use the participation of some Norwegian literate editors. GRBerry 01:46, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Request for help

Hello. Could someone from the project take a look at Madcon? I seriously doubt that I wouldn't have heard about a Norwegian rap duo that has collaborated with 50 Cent, Destiny's Child, Clipse, Wu-Tang and Xzibit and it's clear that the article is 90% junk. However, I'm wondering whether there is perhaps something to salvage from the remaining 10%. Google finds a lot of hits in what I can only assume is Norwegian. Thanks in advance for your help. Pascal.Tesson 04:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• I strongly doubt they've collaborated with all those artists, but they're apparently big in Norwegian hip hop, receiving excellent reviews in the national papers and winning several national music awards. Delta Tango • Talk 07:14, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Ok great. Any chance you can write a decent stub with all the nonsense removed? Otherwise I'm afraid someone will eventually submit the article for deletion. Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 07:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Lists of farms

There is an effort underway to create a series of articles with lists of farms in various municipalities in Norway - seeCategory:Farms in Oppland. This was nominated for deletion in May last year, with sparse voting and no consensus.

I'm inclined to allow such lists, but I think we have to be clear what their purpose is, and why they're notable and encyclopedic. I suppose a greater push on agriculture in Norway (Det store hamskiftet, etc.) would be worth considering in any event.

As I see it, Norwegian farm names are an important part of Norwegian economic and geographic history, as most of Norway was rural for so long. To understand the economic development of each community in Norway, the farm names matter - which is why bygdebøker (comprehensive works of local history) are so common. In addition, they have genealogical value, though I think that's less important. --Leifern 13:23, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

As the orignator of those farm lists, I supported retaining them rather vigorously. That said, I've not continued adding material of this type since I do understand that many of the farms are relatively minor in the historic scheme of things. However I do believe that Leifern's arguments have merit and would support further development in farm related material.

One of the suggestions in the deletion discussion is to focus on farms with historic significance, of which there are a number. As a result, work like that by User:Frode Inge Helland in preparing articles like Ytste Skotet, Havrå, & Me-Åkernes appear to be good examples of a contribution not likely to be contested by deletionists. Of course there are many other Norwegian farms with more historic signifcance.

Bottom line - I have little additional to contribute in the area myself, but would be willing to help others if requested. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 01:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion

I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you. Ed ^{¿Cómo estás?} 18:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Municipality naming convention

There is some disagreement about what the article name should be for the six municipalities in Norway with a Sami or Kven name. That is should the official name or only the Norwegian part be used?

The six muncipalities are (official name):

• Deatnu Tana
• Guovdageaidnu Kautokeino
• Gáivuotna Kåfjord
• Kárášjohka Karasjok
• Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki
• Unjárga Nesseby

I believe the official name should be used since it is the official name, and is hence used in phone books, official documents, by SSB http://www.ssb.no/english/municipalities/2020, etc. But also because I believe article content is more important than the name. Based on my experience from other indigenous/minority people articles is that having a very strict naming policy that insist that the “colonial” name should be used, only generates endless discussions about which name should be used (eg Talk:Inuit). Such discussions are a waste of everybody’s time, and more importantly many of the people in question are offended and do not want to contribute to the articles.

If there is agreement about using the official names, the municipality templates needs to be changed.Labongo 09:25, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

I for one agree with going with the official names. If preferred sources back it up, and it avoids offending the justifiably offended, it must be ideal. For those that disagree there are always redirects ;) MURGH ^disc. 10:49, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

About the "officality" of the names:

Kommunene med tospråklig navn er:

* Gouvdageaidnu-Kautokeino (kgl res 03.07.1987)

* Unjárga-Nesseby (kgl res 26.04.1989)

* Kárásjohka-Karasjok (kgl res 29.01.1990)

* Deatnu-Tana (kgl res 29.05.1992)

* Gáivuotna-Kåfjord (kgl res 04.01.1994)

source: http://www.regjeringen.no/nb/dep/fad/dok/regpubl/otprp/20012002/Otprp-nr-111-2001-2002-/3.html?id=125749

I did not find the "kgl res" for Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki. But Caplex uses it http://www.caplex.no/Web/ArticleView.aspx?id=9328093.Labongo 11:42, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

At least include a hyphen. Punkmorten 16:41, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Agree. But I will wait with adding hyphens until agreement has been reached.Labongo 17:54, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

A note about the counties Finnmark and Troms. Each of these have two official names, respectively Finnmark or Finnmárkku, and Troms or Romsa (i.e. they differ from the municipality names). Since either name can be used it is OK to have the articles under Finnmark and Troms.Labongo 18:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Well I disagree, and here is why:

* WP:NAME states that an article should have the name that is most commonly used

** The municipalities are in Norway, therefore their Norwegian names are obviously the most common names in everyday use

** In official signage kommune, gielda/suohkan etc is included

* The Norwegian and Sami language wikis have their articles named in those languages respectively, not both

* Similar examples of this are en:Helsinki/fi:Helsinki/sv:Helsingfors and en:Cardiff/cy:Caerdydd

I would like to point out that there were no "endless" discussions regarding any of these articles, until they were moved without discussion.

Further, I am not at all disputing the official names, I am merely saying that articles belong under the name they are commonly known under, not what is formally correct (again, I refer to Helsinki, Cardiff, Ford, UEFA and so on.) That is also the general gist of the naming conventions.

The Norway-guideline states to use the official Norwegian name, but it does so to deal with a different problem (also, I'd be surprised if anyone had these botched name constructions in mind.) For that matter, have a look at Norway, which is named just that, not either of Kingdom of Norway, Kongeriket Norge or Kongeriket Noreg.

I strongly believe these articles should stay under whatever name is most commonly used. - BsL 01:43, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

About Porsanger going tri-lingual, this is what i found: http://www.porsanger.no/index.php?id=202368. The phrase "tri-lingual municipality name" is used, but then it says:

Kommunen får tre likestilte navneformer - Porsanger (norsk), Porsángu (samisk) og Porsanki (kvensk/finsk)

My translation: The municipality is given three names of equal status

I offisiell skriftlig og muntlig kommunikasjon skal den norske navneformen tas med der det norske språk brukes,
mens den samiske eller kvenske/finske navneformen skal tas med der henholdsvis samisk og kvensk/finsk språk brukes.

My translation: In official written and oral communication the Norwegian name shall be included where the Norwegian language is used, while the Sami or Kven/Finnish name shall be included where respectively Sami and Kven/Finnish language is used. Reading Ot.prp. 111 I notice that both Norsk språkråd and Samisk språkråd opposed these names and wanted separate names instead. These forms were chosen to force the use of the minority language and to avoid confusion over identity. I honestly do not think that Wikipedia need to force any use at all, and the matter of confusion is non-existant, as the articles explain the matter. - BsL 02:15, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with Labongo's proposal of using the "double names". User BsL puts the case well, so I may be repeating some of his points but anyway:

• The name Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki might give a reader with no prior knowledge the impression that this is the name of the municipality in some language - whereas we all know, of course, that it is not. No one would, in everyday speech or writing, ever use the phrase Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki to refer this municipality in any language. Norwegian speakers would use Porsanger, Sami speakers Porsangu and Kven speakers Porsanki. No one will ever google "Guovdageainnu Kautokeino" to try to find the article for that municipality.
• The official name is not commonly used in wikipedia - the article about Norway is not under Kingdom of Norway. But anyway, Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki is not the official name either - that would be, in English, Porsanger Porsángu Porsanki municipality.
• The web-page of Porsanger municipality uses Porsanger kommune in large lettering, and beneath it Porsánggu gielda - Porsangin komuuni. This clearly shows that we are talking about three different forms of the name - not one name including three different words.
• Kautokeino's webpage opens with the headings Kautokeino kommune - Guovdageainnu suohkan next to each other. No mention of Guovdageainnu Kautokeino municipality.
• Last but not least, I object to Labongo's way of introducing the discussion: "Such discussions are a waste of everybody’s time" etc. In other words, no one wants to discuss this, therefore we have to follow his opinion. This is a cheap trick to try to force his own opinion through - what we in Norwegian would call hersketeknikk.

I don't have a strong opinion on whether the Norwegian, Sami or Kven name should be used for the article title, but I strongly disagree with using all three at the same time.--Barend 10:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure about Porsanger, but for the other municipalities there is only a single name, and that name is the same in Norwgian, Sami and English: Guovdageaidnu AND Kautokeino (not or). This is the form decided to be used by the people in the municipalities and the Norwegian government (see above). This (awkward) form has most likely been chosen to force the use of the minority language name. But making a decision whether to, and which parts of the official name to exclude will be point-of-view pushing (also no matter which part gets excluded someone will get offended).Labongo 16:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Again; the point is that formality is not chosen over commonality on Wikipedia; articles are supposed to be given the name that people use every day, not what you might find in a letter head or a formal text.

Also, the names were not chosen by people in the municipalities, but by the Ministry following requests for bi-lingual names. The names were chosen against the advice of the bodies normally carrying authority on naming issues, and are not even consistent with the form chosen for Troms and Finnmark counties. Below the municipal level almost every significant geographical name in Finnmark exist in at least two languages, often three. For these hundreds, maybe thousands of names, the established practice in all the relevant languages is to use the form most common in that language (see no:Vadsø, se:Čáhcesuolu, fi:Vesisaari, en:Vadsø). What makes the municipalities different from villages, lakes, landscapes and counties? - BsL 18:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that the names were changed after a request from the municipality council (kommunestyre), and should hence be regarded as the request of the people in the count. Lakes, rivers etc. has or names and hence any name can be used (the official names are probably defined by Norges Kartverk). The five (still not sure about Porsanger) municipalities are different since they have and names (whether we and the language boards like it or not). These names are to my understanding defined somewhere in the laws of Norway and should hence be regarded as the NPOV name. Any change to the name may be regarded as POV pushing (wether it be the Sami, Norwgian or Kven POV).Labongo 19:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere that these specific names were requested. No, municipalities are not different; the Ministry simply departed from conventions. Who is to say that the Ministry is not pushing POV when they disregard the advice of both the Norwegian and the Sami language boards? And for the umpteenth time; Wikipedia does not have to abide by another entity's matter of form. - BsL 22:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

About the names of other articles. I think names of other places are most relevant, but I don't know anything about the official name(s) of Helsinki and Cardiff. The Norwegian name for Norway is Norge or Noreg (not and), and Norway in english. I cannot see why anyone would get offended if the article was renamed to Kingdom of Norway, or why such a rename could be seen as POV pushing.Labongo 16:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I would certainly expect a renaming of the Norway article to Kingdom of Norway to be met with dissatisfaction, as this would be in breach with established standards on Wikipedia. Of all the thousands of names out there, I don't see why we should break Wikipedia standards for these six municipalities, just because a Ministry made a flawed decision. Hey, even if it was not a flawed decision, there is absolutely no benefit from breaking the standards. - BsL 18:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The difference is that for the municipalities there are probably two or three non-Wikipeida points of view for what the single article name should be (Norwegian, Sami or Kven). Whether to use Norway or Kingdom of Norway is probably not interesting for people outside Wikipedia. I would also like to point out that both Caplex and Store Norske leksikon are using the two and three part names for the municipalities. Labongo 19:21, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to reiterate that none of these articles had seen any previous debate regarding their names. And yet again; each language have their own namespace on Wikipedia, using the relevant name on each of them, so no issue concerning POV there. For the English language Wikipedia, there is a massively established policy of naming articles in accordance with what is most commonly used, and there is simply no case for swerving away from that in these articles. This is not Caplex, nor Store Norske leksikon; this is Wikipedia. - BsL 22:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Further on English and POV; not all of these municipalites have official English language webpages, but Karasjok do. They write Kárášjohka/Karasjok a couple of places, but for the most part this 80% Sami municipality has chosen to use a single name, and where they have done so, the Norwegian name has been used. I'll quote [2]:

Karasjok is a mid-point for travelers in Finnmark,
and a natural point of departure to visit and experience
places of the North Calotte, ie. the North Cape.
The nearest airports are Banak/Lakselv 80 km away,
Ivalo in Finland 150 km away and Alta some 200 km from Karasjok.

In the quotation above, all names mentioned are in Norwegian, and all of them have Sami counterparts. Finally, you may consider the local tourist office's English language webpage at http://www.karasjokinfo.no/indexE.html. My conclusion can only be that the people of Karasjok does not share Labongo's worries. - BsL 23:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

About naming discussions being a waste of everyones time. I was not referring to this discussion (which had just started), but the many discussions found in most minority/indegenous people articles, about whether to use the minority-poples self denotation or the more commonly used "majority people" name. I still believe they are a waste of time since they don't result in an improved article.Labongo 16:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You haven't got your facts straight. Go to the websites of the six municipalities in question. Kåfjord, Karasjok, Kautokeino, Tana and Porsanger all use exclusively the Norwegian form of the name in the Norwegian web-pages, and exclusively the Sami name in the Sami web-pages. Nesseby uses Nesseby/Unjargga in the Norwegian version, but Unjargga exclusively in the Sami language version. Surely the websites of the municipalities themselves must lend some weight to the argument of what is common usage and formally correct. These municipalities do not have "only a single name", they have different names in different languages.--Barend 16:30, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Turn out I was wrong about the official names. The most resent resolution I have been able to find about this issue is: http://www.lovdata.no/cgi-wift/wiztldles?doc=/usr/www/lovdata/for/lf/ov/ov-20041210-1636.html

"Fastsatt ved kgl.res 10. desember 2004 med hjemmel i lov 25. september 1992 nr. 107 om kommuner og fylkeskommuner (kommuneloven) § 3 nr. 3. Fremmet av Kommunal- og regionaldepartementet. Med hjemmel i kommuneloven 25. september 1992 nr. 107 § 3 nr. 3 vedtar Kongen endring i de tospråklige kommunenavnene Deatnu-Tana, Gáivuotna-Kåfjord, Guovdageaidnu-Kautokeino, Kárášjohka-Karasjok, Unjárga-Nesseby ved at bindestreken oppheves og den samiske og den norske navnformen i kommunenavnet likestilles. Navneendringen skjer med virkning fra 1. januar 2005".

In other words the municipality names are or names without a hyphen. Obviously one of the names must be chosen for the article. I have no strong opinions about which name it should be. The order used in the article should be up to whoever is interested in editing the article. But the article text should specify the language of all names, since each of the names can be used in English.Labongo 15:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Then it would seem we are now in agreement.--Barend 17:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

So all this for nothing, really? Delightful. Anyway, I am happy with the way Labongo has introduced each of the names in the Porsanger, Karasjok, Kautokeino and Nesseby articles, and suggest the same is done for Kåfjord and Tana. Also, for consistency I suggest the form chosen for the article name is the one that goes first in the article, and is used in the article text. As for which name to choose, I believe the Norwegian name is most commonly used for all these municipalities, but given the vast Sami majority in Karasjok and Kautokeino, I won't object to these using the Sami name. For Porsanger it is Norwegian. While I'm not really sure about Tana, Kåfjord and Nesseby, I believe Norwegian is predominant. - BsL 00:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Now, as Labongo has already said, the Templates need to be updated. - BsL 00:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe the templates should use all names. Also, the article text should use all names. This way the article name becomes un-inportant, most people should be happy, and the articles may get more contributors (especially from the minorities in each municipality). Labongo 09:58, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, the templates should use all names, and I suggest they do it like the municipalities themselves do:

• Porsanger kommune, Porsáŋggu gielda, Porsangin komuuni
• Kárášjoga gielda, Karasjok kommune
• Guovdageainnu suohkan, Kautokeino kommune
• Kåfjord kommune, Gáivuona suohkan
• Deanu gielda, Tana kommune
• Unjárgga gielda, Nesseby kommune

Names in that order, each on one line. No or, slash, comma or whatever that isn't part of the name(s).

Using all names everywhere in the article text just seems awkward to me, and I say we should leave it to the other language versions to tend to each minority; this is the English language Wikipedia, no more or less. There are not too many issues like this one out there, but with for example British vs. American English, one stick to one form in each article, not writing "torch" here and "flashlight" there, or the really clumsy "one list of ingredients in many languages"-form of candy bars; "torch/flashlight". With Porsanger it would not just be awkard, it would be ridiculous, and for the sake of uniformity, it should be done the same way in all articles. I would also prefer that you refrain from editing these things in the articles until they are agreed upon. - BsL 10:46, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about any administrative entities that have names in multiple languages, where one is not english, and there is no english name. In other words, I don't know how it is done elsewhere in Wikipedia. Also, I don't see any reason why english Wikipedia wants to get into the mess of deciding which name to use. My suggestion was a compromise. I will continue removing any hyphens used in the names since using them is not correct. Finally, the reason why I have such strong opinions about this issue is nicely illustrated here: http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00140/same_samisk_skil_ve_140356h.jpg. Labongo 11:53, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with BsL about the templates. I also agree that the article text should only use one name. Two names used throughout simply hampers readibility. I appreciate Labongo's strong opinions, and am sympathetic to his intention, but readibility of the article must be top priority. For example of places with double names where neither is English, see for instance Helsinki and Donostia - and if you're really into controversial names, have a look at Derry.--Barend 18:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Those are good examples of how to deal with multiple names (Helsinki) and hyphenated names (Donostia). I am aware of the strong opinions in Kåfjord, and that photo goes to say that someone has a mental problem, but none of these articles had seen discussions over the name, and for Kåfjord that goes for both Norwegian, the Sami and the English versions. The best way for Wikipedia to deal with any matter, is to deal with it in a matter-of-fact way; being neutral is not the same as trying to support every view simultaneously. - BsL 09:27, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

The Helsinki articles uses only Helsinki. The Donostia article mostly uses San Sebastian, sometimes Donostia-San Sebastian, but never Donostia in the article text. The city Derry article uses Derry, due to a compromise where County Londonderry is used for the region. About the lack of previous discussion about the names; I believe the number of active contributors for these, and most other Finnmark/Troms municipality, articles ranges from 0 to 3.Labongo 11:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we are getting anywhere. So I have decided to stop contributing to these articles, due to my strong views about the importance of cultural equality vs Wikipedia "standards". But I hope someone will clean up the names used in these articles. Labongo 11:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

We simply disagree on this matter, and it is unfortunate that so few other editors offer their opinion. I do hope you change your mind about contributing, though. - BsL 12:58, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

New thing - Norway Experts Requested

Hi guys. I just wanted you to know I've added a page where people will be putting Norway requests for experts, and began to identify Norwegian topics with requests for experts: Category:Norway articles needing expert attention. This is part of the expert finding process. Goldenrowley 04:52, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Language map

Anyone game for making a map indicating which areas of Norge have adopted nynorsk, bokmål, both and neither? If someone can show me a map of all of Norge with municipalities outlined, I'll do the gruntwork, although I regret to say that my information will necessarily have to come from the Wikipedia articles. Tomer^talk 02:11, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

FAR

Sverre of Norway has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Savidan 06:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Erik Solheim

The article of Erik Solheim, a Norweigan cabinet member and peace maker, has been vandalised and marred by POV pushing for several weeks now, I hope that members of Project Norway will assist in the protection and expansion of this biography. --Sharz 00:23, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Two articles awaiting creation

I didn't even know about the Wikipedia:Articles for creation scheme when it popped up as I seached for an article on Flekkerøy. It so turns out that an anonymous user uploaded an article last October containing text for both an article on Flekkerøy and Oksøy lighthouse (comp. Norw., Germ.). Flekkerøy articles exist on nb/nn/da. __meco 13:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Islands request

Hello. I am adding islands to a table of islands in the North Sea article. However, I cannot find references to some Norwegian islands - only the municipalities they are part of. Please could somebody supply the land areas of Stord, Karmøy and Huftarøy. Cheers! Totnesmartin 17:27, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

You have probably looked at List of islands of Norway by area. Try following its Norwegian wikilink. The list you get then provides those numbers. __meco 18:37, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I will. Totnesmartin 18:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

What a strange task for a bot

In the To-do list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway which heads this project talk page one of the tasks for the Norbot bot is: "Make sure all the articles on Norwegian writers are good articles." __meco 18:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Historical actresses

Hi! I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but iv'e noticed that there's not much about known norwegian women in history. I'm sure they are a lot of them, so i think it would be interesting to read about! For example; why not create a coupple of articles of actresses in Norway in the 19th century? An earlier of course. And male ones, for that matter, at least two of each gender. Just a suggestion! --85.226.235.174 18:54, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

North Sea collaboration

North Sea is the current Article Creation and Improvement Drive collaboration. WikiProject Norway members may find that a relevant focus. I have refrained from rating the article pending the result of the collaboration. __meco 22:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Missing, unfinished list

User:Punkmorten/List of villages in Møre og Romsdal has been residing in Punkmorten's user space for a long time now. It's the only list lacking in the county hierarchy, however it needs to be finished before it can be moved to the main namespace. __meco 06:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article Review

Rondane National Park has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. --RelHistBuff 16:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Progress Party

With the upcoming kommune- og fylkestingvalg, the articles about the political parties will come more under the spot light. And, especially the article about Progress Party (Norway) is in a sorry story state. It is currently heavily politicized, it is even claimed in the lead that the progress party is radical right-wing, based on ten-year old quotations from foreign researchers. If that wasn't enough, the quoted papers are not even about the progress party or norwegian politcs - the descriptions I could verify, are simply by-sentence remarks, probably because the researcher in question heard a rumour somewhere.

But this is far from the only problem with Progress Party (Norway) article, please read it and consider helping to fix it!

Heptor _talk 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review for Norwegian Americans

• Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 August 31

Please join the discussion on the List of Norwegian Americans that were deleted. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 00:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Category:Norwegian politician stubs – how best to subdivide?

This stub types is now oversized; if you've any thoughts on how best to split it up into more manageable units, please comment here. Alai 20:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

If you take a look at related changes to this category, very little work is being done to these articles currently, so I don't see the use of putting effort in re-arranging the stub category system. Norwegians may not be interested in their politicians for the time being (...?) __meco 20:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

The number of articles has increased quite a lot recently (hence it appearing on the WPSS "oversized" list, and hence the proposal to split), so someone is doing something with 'em... Alai 20:47, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Vigramør

As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Vigramør is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 17:55, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

• 6 September - expires 11 September
  • 122 Stab Wounds (PROD by User:Dchall1; "122 Stab Wounds was a Norwegian death metal band formed in 1989.") --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:10, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hallvard_Graatop article

Could somebody please try to resolve this dispute. The Norwegian article on the same subject is objective and balanced, and I'd like to replace the current English article with a translation of that one. But the user Wogsland obviously feels that he "owns" this article. leifbk 12:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Norwegian Poker Player needing help with Categories.

I just created an article on a Norwegian Poker Player, but could use some help with appropriate categories and was hoping you guys might be able to help out. The article is on Annette Obrestad.Balloonman 08:29, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I have made additions to the article, so I believe all categories that should be present now are. __meco 10:59, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

The project's "municipality articles" guidelines

So i just realized that this WikiProject has its own guidelines for municipality articles, and that i've not been following them. Instead of changing my own ways, i'll try to change the guidelines. ;) I believe some of them stand in direct opposition to Wikipedia's main policies and guidelines, and make the articles about Norwegian cities, towns and municipalities too different from articles about foreign settlements.

• Key attractions. Articles reading like tourist brochures is a problem we've had in the past and still have, to a certain degree. Naming a section Key attractions doesn't help in that matter, in fact, it probably helps to make articles look more like they've been written by the local tourist office! For the cities, i like calling that kind of section Cityscape, like in Bergen, or Townscape. Of course, those aren't suitable section names in articles about municipalities where there is no real town or city, in those cases i've been using Points of interest myself. None of those names contain a hidden notion about attracting tourists to the municipality.
• Economic basis: I'm not sure why we need to break the consistancy that exists in most articles about foreign cities, towns, municipalities or villages by naming the section talking about the economy of the area anything else than simply Economy.
• Introduction: The established way to write a lead in Wikipedia is to write it as a summary of the main article, however, according to the guidelines in this project, the lead should discuss things that are not mentioned in the rest of the article. Following the Wikipedia guidelines in a standard article about a Norwegian settlement, the lead should ideally contain a very short summary of the history, geography, economy and so on of the settlement, as well as the standard stuff about municipality mergers, etc.
• Community life: In articles about municipalities containing cities and towns, i've found calling this section Administration, Politics, or similar, again to bring them in line with articles about foreign cities.
• Population: Should probably be Demographics, again for consistency.

--Aqwis 22:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Should municipality mergers be in the lead? Or in a section called, say, history and then summarized in the lead? Punkmorten 13:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I like putting municipality mergers in the lead, because there's usually not enough to say about the topic be able to summarize it. I mean, how would one summarize two sentences? :) One of the few cases where it's suitable to put information in the lead without repeating it in the body of the article. --Aqwis 13:58, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, some Norwegian municipality mergers are actually quite complicated, spanning more than two sentences. Furthermore they definitely belong in the text body, under a larger section called "history". Punkmorten 16:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I can see now that there are a few articles with long merger histories, but it's not very common. But yes, i agree that it should be summarized if it is long. And i don't mean to say it shouldn't be repeated, just not with exactly the same words: "weaving" it into the rest of the text in the History section would probably be a better idea. --Aqwis 15:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Proofreading needed for Trond Hegna

Could anyone proofread Trond Hegna? Sosekopp 19:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

"Royal coronations in Norway" article

I have made an article about Royal coronations in Norway and would invite comments to questions in the talk page and suggestion for improvements. – Nidator ^{T / C} 11:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Review needed

Hi, this page Cloroform claims to be about a band from Norway. But it lacks sources completely, I am thinking about speedy but someone from here might point better idea. Thanks. ≈Tulkolahten≈^≈talk≈ 00:12, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

• It is notable, and I will try to rewrite the whole page. Sosekopp (talk) 19:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Fløtemysost

Since 9 months there has been a red link from the disambiguation page Prim to Fløtemysost. Could someone check up on this, either (if adequate) by changing the link to brunost, or by writing the article (e.g., translating no:Fløtemysost), or both?

Does anyone of you actually know what this "prim" is from personal experience? Is it something like Swedish sv:messmör?

Med vänlig hälsning, JoergenB (talk) 17:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, prim is something like messmör, and I will translate the pages from Norwegian as soon as possible. Sosekopp (talk) 15:14, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Demonyms

In the infobox for Norwegian municipalities, I have added a line for demonyms and have started populating it for each one. Anyone wants to help out is welcome. The source is the by Språkrådet. --Leifern (talk) 12:33, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest adding a References section with {{reflist}} to every municipality article without one. That way, the Språkrådet reference doesn't have to be an external link. Ideally, every article should have a few citations anyway. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 12:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll do that for the ones that I add demonyms from now on. --Leifern (talk) 14:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Lighthouses

I have created List of Lighthouses in Norway, which includes a sortable list of lighthouses. It's incomplete, and I'll add to it as I do the research. I've also started to write articles about each one, but this will take time to finish. Svinøy fyrstasjon made it to the DYK list the other day. --Leifern (talk) 14:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Rivers

Another project that needs more work - among other things, there's a much more comprehensive infobox for rivers {{Geobox}} that we should probably use for all rivers in Norway. And there should probably also be an article about the freshwater in Norway. --Leifern (talk) 14:43, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Piirka Kellivoitte

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Piirka Kellivoitte, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add {{db-author}} to the top of Piirka Kellivoitte. --Montchav (talk) 15:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Ljusnedal

I have a suspicion that this article is a hoax, but I know little of Swedish/Norwegian history. Any clarification welcome. Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 16:26, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

I can say with 99,9 % certainty that your suspicion is correct. Burn the hoax. Punkmorten (talk) 23:31, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Norwegian emigration to the United States

Today's featured article in Wikipedia is Swedish emigration to the United States. Norway actually has a Category:Norwegian migration to North America of comparable size to its Swedish counterpart (Norway and Sweden being the only two such categories), but alas, no article, not even a stub :-( __meco (talk) 19:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

There is the Norwegian American article, which includes some of the history. I am actually a member of the Norwegian American Historical Association and have a pretty extensive collection of literature on the subject; so I'll make it a long-term project to write an article about the migration itself. There are lots and lots of subtopics that should be covered, so there will probably a navigation template as well. --Leifern (talk) 15:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The Pocket Man and Death of Eugene Ejike Obiora

The first one of these I translated from the bokmål Wikipedia tonight, the other some months back. Especially with the Pocket Man article it would be nice if several people would collaborate with keeping it up-to-date as the story develops. __meco (talk) 22:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

• The Pocket Man is a clear T:DYKT candidate. An extra way to be acknowledged for your work. Punkmorten (talk) 22:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Shoah in Norway

I have started what is likely to become an extensive article on the Shoah in Norway. Any help is appreciated, whether it's adding material, source references, or copyediting. I have also created Jewish deportees from Norway during World War II, which includes a comprehensive list of those who were deported to concentration camps, where the overwhelming majority were murdered. There has been one attempt at blanking this page, as it's quite specific; but as far as I know it's the only place on the web where this list exists. --Leifern (talk) 03:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I have written several additional articles, most of them biographical, of notable individuals who were deported from Norway - among them Cissi Klein, Ruth Maier, Berthold Epstein, and Moritz Rabinowitz. Leo Eitinger has had an article for some time, but articles will also be written about Herman Sachnowitz, Kai Feinberg, and Samuel Steinmann. There will also likely be separate articles about the underground railroad to Sweden, though this will include all those who made their way across the border; and also the restitution case in the mid-1990s, and what was known as the Feldmann case. With time, the issue of legal culpability for crimes against Jews in Norway will also get its own article, but this is a highly contentious issue, to this day. One question for the group: what should be the right category for articles related to the Shoah in Norway? Should it be Shoah in Norway, or perhaps Holocaust in Norway, or more specifically Persecution of Jews World War II Norway? Any thoughts? --Leifern (talk) 15:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

If we stick to common names, well... I don't think many people are familiar with the term shoah. As opposed to the term Holocaust. Punkmorten (talk) 17:26, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that we should use the term Holocaust. If the term Shoah shows itself to be more familiar in the future, we can change to this more correct (?) term then. __meco (talk) 23:26, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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Maps in town articles

I have noted on the talk page for Oslo, people agree the article really needs a better map. It seems like very many maps are only of the position within the given county. Is this really OK? I personally think not... Greswik (talk) 12:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Very many municipalities are so small that showing them on a map of Norway would be next to useless. If people don't know where in the country the county is located, they can look at the map in the county's article. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 12:59, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's not being very helpful to the reader, if you look at how it is for Copenhagen, marked on a map for the hole country, or even Stockholm - on a map of Europe! Berlin, both, etc... I think just having the county is confusing. And for Oslo, we have a nonstandard merger of two countys btw. Greswik (talk) 14:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

What shall we do about the city / town / village problem?

In Norway settlements are either labeled by or tettsted. Current WP practice of jostling these items into three different (or four if we add settlements as well), albeit not clearly hierarchical, levels does not yield a clear precedent, and frankly, I find it rather confusing. Are there any clever ideas on how to work this out? __meco (talk) 21:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

We could merge cities and towns into Category:Cities and towns in Norway, that has precedence in other countries. "village" refers to every non-by populated place, in lack of a better word. Punkmorten (talk) 10:41, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I think the merger which you suggest is a good idea.

As for the village term, you have written an informative preamble on the category page Category:Villages in Norway. Could we elaborate on this, somehow, somewhere? The Swedish have written interestingly on this at Urban areas in Sweden#Swedish definitions defining a multitude of intermingled terms. __meco (talk) 19:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The Swedish definitions are very good and, as far as I can tell, applicable to Norway as well. Tettsted is probably best termed an "urban area" as proposed for Sweden. Norway plainly does not distinguish between town and city, so the two should be merged. There is no such thing as a village (landsby) in Norway, as far as I can tell. Perhaps we should document the nomenclature for Norway based on what's been described for Sweden? --Leifern (talk) 21:16, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Why would we use the Swedish definitions when SSB have their own definition? --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 21:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

The Swedish site says that the definition for "tettsted" is the same in all Nordic countries. SSB uses the term "urban settlement" rather than "urban area." So we can use "urban settlement," though the term is a bit redundant...--Leifern (talk) 01:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I would agree that "urban settlement" is unambiguously covered by the term "urban area" since the word urban itself denotes a human settlement of some considerable size. __meco (talk) 08:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Comments and assistance needed - Template:Norway during World War II

There's a bit of a debate going on about the right labels at Template:Norway during World War II. The issues under discussion should be pretty clear from the Talk page. --Leifern (talk) 23:18, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Years in Norway, let's have some fun!

After initially stumbling over a template from the Bangladesh WikiProject and then following the lead to several templates and a fully-fledged category hierarchy belonging to Ireland and its WikiProject, I have now established the basics for us to be able to wikilink years pertaining to events in Norway, to Norway-specific year in categories. See for instance 2008 in Norway and look at how I have changed some year-links in the Gro Harlem Brundtland article. Also take a look at 2008 in Ireland for inspiration.

I propose we recommend that all Norway-related articles are edited with this new perspective in mind. __meco (talk) 22:04, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Year links are usually redundant and really annoying, so the "year in..." article has to be of direct relevance in order to get linked to. Also take a look at 1982 in India for inspiration of how a page NOT should look like! Punkmorten (talk) 22:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Year links are redundant when they are as general as 1982, however, when they become 1982 in Norway and the person adding the link has done so discerningly. I see no reason why they have to be considered redundant. The example you provide just goes to show that no idea is going to work unless people subscribe to it. If you are going to disuade people from participating in developing these Norway-related temporal categories, sure, the example you provide might be exactly what the result for WikiProject Norway will also look like. __meco (talk) 22:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Help wanted

The Premenstrual syndrome article has an important sentence supported by a reference in Norwegian. I am concerned that the content of the ref is being misrepresented (by being presented vaguely, not on purpose). It's also possible that the sentence in this article is vague because the ref itself is vague. The discussion and my original question are here. If you can help me, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

New Articles

As part of my complete and comprehensive rewrite of Hans Gude, I have created two new articles. The first was Nødhavn Ved Norskekysten which appeared on the front page under "Did You Know?". The second one is List of paintings by Hans Gude which I have just finished (as much as I can). I would appreciate any spelling and grammar help people can offer, as well as anything you think you can add! --Falcorian ^(talk) 07:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Hans Gude

My Hans Gude rewrite is up, please take a look and give it a good polishing! It's also up for DYK, so check that out and promote it if you like it! --Falcorian ^(talk) 19:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

NorwayProject: Articles of unclear notability

Hello,

there are currently 11 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 12 March 2008 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 16:43, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I have done some work on this list. Two articles have been prod'ed, one AfD'd. __meco (talk) 20:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Cardemon

I request an article about this children's book and village please. - Kittybrewster ☎ 12:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Henrik Wergeland FA push?

On June 17th, it will be 200 years since Henrik Wergeland was born. I think it would be a worthy ambition to improve the article to the point that it can be the featured article on June 17th. This will require quite a bit of editing, consulting sources, and coordinating with the folks who decide the FA queue. I will do my bit on the editing side, and hope others will as well. We also need someone to persuade the FA editor(s) to at least allow for the possibility of featuring the article if it is up to snuff. I may post a similar request in no.wikipedia.org and nn.wikipedia.org. --Leifern (talk) 17:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Template for former municipalities?

Anyone have objections to creating a template for former municipalities? I want to do this in part because there is ongoing consolidations of municipalities, and I'd hate to lose information captured in the current municipalities templates. Also, this will help to explain what happened to the municipalitie as they were shut down. --Leifern (talk) 15:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

How will the parameters be filled? Punkmorten (talk) 20:18, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm thinking I'll make one that closely mimics the current template, but with a slight name change; and also some additional fields along the lines of "merged with," "year merged," etc.--Leifern (talk) 20:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I was thinking more about: how do we know the area and other details? The administrative centre? Will there be maps? etc. Punkmorten (talk) 22:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

My guess is that municipalities that are merged after the introduction of the template will have pretty complete information, e.g., map, former coat of arms, last mayor, demographic data, etc., etc. The others will be filled in over time by all of us, though I would imagine that maps will get pretty low priority. --Leifern (talk) 16:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I think making such a template is a good idea. I was actually thinking that one was needed a while back when I found the Leinstrand article. – Nidator ^{T / C} 12:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

The data in the box for the current municipalities has most relevant ones, But, I think we only should have the static values (not mayor, population etc. as it only say at the end, not what dominated it's lifetime) the other values are outdated and could rather be put in the text. And then the destiny of has to be filled in. Røed (talk · no) 01:15, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Another DYK!

Kitty Lange Kielland just hit DYK. I'll add it to DKY 20, but I'm not sure what else needs to be done. --Falcorian ^(talk) 21:43, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Updated random DYK max... Should work now. --Falcorian ^(talk) 21:47, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Odd F. Lindberg also was featured not long ago. __meco (talk) 21:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

And Thorbjørn Jagland is a current candidate. Punkmorten (talk) 07:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Update on The Norway Portal

•  – Update: Portal:Norway has recently become a Featured Portal. Many of the articles at Portal:Norway in the "Selected article" and "Selected biography" sections are of Good Article or Featured Quality Status, and there are some great contributors who have churned out interesting WP:DYKs. One area where we could use some more contributors is at Portal:Norway on Wikinews. Thanks to the efforts of folks from this project, for churning out such great high-quality material! Keep up the great work getting articles to Good Article and Featured Quality Status ! Cirt (talk) 08:09, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Dyrløkkeåsen skole

This looks like Speedy Delete (no context) to me. However, I find that there Google hits for this school but I can't understand your language. I posted it here to see if you could improve it or nominate it for AfD.--Lenticel ^(talk) 13:46, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Flag flying days in Norway up for FL

Flag flying days in Norway is nominated for Featured List status. Please comment or give votes. Inge (talk) 15:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Good article: Architecture of Norway

Thought you all might be interested to know that Architecture of Norway has been approved as a Good Article. --Leifern (talk) 01:37, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Municipalities of Norway

I replaced the current list by a list I wrote on norwegian (nb), but I didn't find any good name for the local lists that holds quite some of the mayors is the rural areas. Any good suggestions? Røed (talk · no) 01:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

• Hi! Good work! I had started on a rewrite myself, but that effort can safely be abandoned now. As for your question, I think we should just call them "Local list". Punkmorten (talk) 19:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

We should definitely go for WP:FL on this one! Punkmorten (talk) 08:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Would they mayors fall within Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.[7] Generally speaking, mayors are likely to meet this criterion, as are members of the main citywide government or council of a major metropolitan city., or would that be just for the bigger cities? Also, while working on the table, I noticed there where quite some of em where the info in the en: box and the no: box regarding adm. center was different. How should we solve it? Røed (talk · no) 10:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, we should be careful as to add mayors of small, Norwegian municipalities. Most are not notable. Remember that cities in other countries usually have more than 100,000 inhabitants. Regarding the point about administrative centers, what we need is an authoritative off-wiki source, then follow it. Punkmorten (talk) 15:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Closely related to this post, there have started a discussion on the standard template {{Infobox Kommune}} for Norwegian municipalities, would be great if more people would join the discussion. Røed (talk · no) 02:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Not a stub anymore??

Hi there. I just put a bit of work into Ulsteinvik. Then, I took the stub tag away. Maybe this was pre-emptive, but I hope not. However, then there is the small matter of the Project box on the talk page. I would like to notch this one up from stub class. However, I'd love to have input either - telling me that it IS still a stub, and how I (or someone) should upgrade the article so that it's not, or suggesting that it be labelled as something other than "stub". Thanks, AshleyMorton (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

You are of course free to do this yourself. Just be WP:BOLD. I have rated it start class. Rettetast (talk) 17:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Picture of Jays

Hi! I reckon the article Jaysuma Saidy Ndure could be featured. We need a picture, though, does anyone have any? Punkmorten (talk) 11:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Here Is a flickr image you maybe could use. Its under a noncommercial and no derivatives license though so you have to ask the photographer to relicense it, but he/she is already familiar with creative commons. Rettetast (talk) 17:03, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, but it is small. Punkmorten (talk) 17:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

A-ha

We need to fix the article for a-ha the best-selling norwegian and scandinavian band. --Alive Would? Sun (talk) 19:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Vestlandet, Sørlandet, etc.

I believe the naming of the articles about the regions of Norway - Vestlandet, Sørlandet, Østlandet and Nord-Norge - violates Wikipedia's naming convention guidelines. The guideline page states that "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, with a reasonable minimum of ambiguity, while at the same time making linking to those articles easy and second nature". The Norwegian names of these regions are certainly not what "the majority of English speakers would most easily recognise" - the international press almost never uses the Norwegian names when talking about Norway's regions. Even the Norwegian government uses the terms "Western Norway", "Southern Norway" and so on in English publications and when giving English names to Norwegian institutions, projects and organisations.[3] I would suggest renaming Vestlandet to Western Norway, Østlandet to Eastern Norway, Sørlandet to Southern Norway, and Nord-Norge to Northern Norway (I am not sure whether Trøndelag should be renamed; the Norwegian word seems to be about as frequently used internationally as any translations such as "Middle Norway"). --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 14:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Aqwis. I have consequently been using the terms Eastern Norway, Western Norway etc. on Wikipedia, and would support a renaming. As for Midt-Norge, I believe the best term in "Central Norway," though I have no references to the case (except Central Norway Regional Health Authority). As a native speaker of both Norwegian and English I feel there is something "wrong" with the feel of Middle-Norway; the word middle is not a particularly good translation for "midt". However, I have no idea as to what the established consensus is on the matter, if there even is one at all. Arsenikk ^(talk) 14:27, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I have moved the articles to my suggestions per WP:BOLD. I did not move Trøndelag as there was already an article at Central Norway. I also moved Nord-Norge to Northern Norway, not "North Norway", as I believe the former is more grammatically correct than the direct translation. If anyone feels that moving the articles was a really bad idea, feel free to move them back. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 19:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I disagree about Northern Norway. I believe the correct translation is North Norway. Northern Norway corresponds to "Nordlige Norge", and most people living in the region would not agree with that name. Orcaborealis (talk) 08:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

To me North Norway sounds weird, though a bit of research on the net seems to show that both terms are in use. Still, I think Northern should prevail because the other three regions have ern endings (Southern Norway etc.) Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:43, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Notability tagged articles

We have gotten such a list before, but this one is updated. The list contains articles that are tagged with {{notability}}, and has our project tag on the talk page. Rettetast (talk) 09:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:WikiProject Notability/Listing by project/Page 4#WikiProject Norway

• Black Box Teater (September 2007)
• Dronning mauds land (March 2008)
• Øystein Jevanord (April 2008)
• Alive in Torment (April 2008)
• Blue Rock Café (May 2008)

Articles flagged for cleanup

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Edvarda Aslaksen Braanaas

Input welcome here and with finding any suitable sources for the article. Ty 01:15, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Note: The result was delete. The Articles for deletion page linked above is no longer allowing comments. --Hordaland (talk) 09:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Arctic Portal and WikiProject?

Would anyone here be interested in helping me start Portal:Arctic and Wikipedia:WikiProject Arctic? Drop a note on my talk page if you are interested, or if there are any objections. Please also let me know if I've missed any existing projects. I'm notifying the WikiProjects listed at Talk:Arctic (and have also notified Wikipedia:WikiProject Antarctica). Please let me know if you know of any other WikiProjects centred on Arctic or polar areas. Carcharoth (talk) 22:29, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

For your information: Norse colonization ...

1. I wonder if the article Norse colonization of the Americas shouldn't be marked as within this project?
2. The above-named article is in a state of flux with edit-warring and much controversy at the moment. Getting into the fray just now will be time-consuming. If someone in this project is an excellent diplomat/mediator, help will be appreciated. Otherwise, it might be a good idea to have it on your to-do list for some months hence, when the present situation has calmed down. (That's what I wish I'd done...) --Hordaland (talk) 10:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

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Nordbild the Nordic image database

Hello, I just wanted to let you know about Nordbild the Nordic image database. The images there can be used freely provided you quote the source so it's perfect to upload on Wikimedia Commons. If you are active on the other Nordic Wikipedias feel free to post this information there.--Jóhann Heiðar Árnason (talk) 07:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Images from Nordbild will be deleted, see Commons:Deletion requests/Template:Norden.org. They are apparently not freely licensed. --Kjetil r (talk) 01:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Norweigan website question

Hola,

Is anyone willing to give a rough translation of what this link says, and specifically could it be used as a reference for Nightingale Research Foundation and/or be useful for the AFD discussion? WLU (t) (c) ^{(rules - simple rules)} 18:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Translation:

Resistance.
After many years, Norwegian physicians start taking ME (myalgic encephalomyelitis) seriously. Today and tomorrow the professor Byron M. Hyde gives guest lectures in Oslo. Hyde, hailing from Canada, is considered the foremost capacity on the chronic fatigue syndrome.

If this was a Wikipedia article we'd mark it with {{weasel}}, because of the phrase "is considered the foremost capacity". Punkmorten (talk) 22:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Um, "capacity" doesn't really make sense in that context, but I'm sure it's implying expertise. I also corrected 'raking' to 'taking' also. Thanks again! WLU (t) (c) ^{(rules - simple rules)} 00:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Nordic cinema task force

A Nordic cinema task force has been proposed at WP:FILMS, which would include the cinema of Norway. Interested editors are encouraged to sign up - if there is enough interest, then the task force will be created! Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 18:11, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Image needs replacement

Hello all...

An image used in the Buøy article, specifically Image:Buoy .jpg, has a little bit of a licensing issue. The image was uploaded back when the rules around image uploading were less restrictive. It is presumed that the uploader was willing to license the picture under the GFDL license but was not clear in that regard. As such, the image, while not at risk of deletion, is likely not clearly licensed to allow for free use in any future use of this article. If anyone has an image that can replace this, or can go take one and upload it, it would be best.

You have your mission, take your camera and start clicking.--Jordan 1972 (talk) 22:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Proposal: Use "urban district" instead of "borough"

We currently use "borough" as a translation of the Norwegian word "bydel" in the English Wikipedia (see e.g. Grünerløkka or Fyllingsdalen). I propose changing this to "urban district". Using the word "borough" to translate "bydel" is not supported by any reliable sources, and so violates WP:Verifiability. I believe this translation was originally used because of the boroughs of cities such as Manchester, London and New York City, which bear some similarities to the Norwegian "bydeler". However, in addition to the fact that no reliable sources employ this translation, there are several other problems: the word "borough" as used in these cities has historical connotations, which are not meaningful when using the word to translate a similar Norwegian concept. Also, US and UK boroughs usually have a high degree of self-government, while the Norwegian "bydeler" have - comparatively - very little. Now, as for the term "urban district". The term is used by Statistics Norway [4]][5][6][7], which is almost the stereotypical reliable source, and an important authority on this kind of matters. It is also used by others, including the research institute NIBR[8] and NTNU. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 14:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

The problem with urban district is its ambiguity. It has no connotation of being an administrative label. Wouldn't it be better to use urban administrative district or administrative urban district? As for use by Statistics Norway, NIBR and NTNU, I do not find it reasonable to place too much emphasis on their precedent assuming that they are merely following each other and that the term urban district most likely was invented by a bureaucrat. I suggest we take their term and discuss it along with other suggestions that may arise. We may even decide to use bydel. Many countries do not translate their native terms such as Pakistan's tehsils. __meco (talk) 14:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

"Urban administrative district" and variations have the same problem as "borough", though: they are not used by any reliable sources. As for "bydel", I agree that it could be a last resort if we are unable to find a suitable English term. However, it, too, is somewhat ambiguous: "bydel" can mean both the administative divisions and (large) neighbourhoods (see for example no:Gyldenpris). --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 14:29, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

It's slightly worrying that none of the current discussions go past a few comments by at most three or four editors... It seems a lot of the active Norwegian editors on enwp have left recently. Rettetast, for instance, hasn't edited since late September. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 19:32, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Street vs gate

I have proposed renaming of two articles Niels Juels Street and Karl Johans Street to the use of gate instead. Anyone who wants to have their say in this is welcome to voice their opinion. __meco (talk) 14:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Support, no made-up names please. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 13:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Norwegian serfdom?

Yes that is the article title, though it does admit in the lead that it isn't acctually serfdom. Could someone with more specialised knowledge than myself please check if there's any salvageable in this oddity. Thanx. Misarxist 12:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Crazy. Serfs were owned. The article which best covers something similar to the Norwegian phenomenon is Croft (land), but that's particularly Scottish. There are good articles in Bokmål and Nynorsk on Husmann. Another article in English is Tenant farmer.

The present article can certainly be saved and its English corrected. It can be added to from the Norwegian language ones. But what to call it? One solution might be to add it as a section to Tenant farmer. That, at present, has sections on Britain <England and Wales> and USA. Many other countries/regions could be added to it. - Hordaland (talk) 16:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

If a suitable English term can not be found/is not used by sources, use the Norwegian term. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 20:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Husmann (or, if preferable, Husmann (Norway)) is probably best, then. The situation is/was special enough, and there's enough info for more than a stub. I don't know if there are sources in English, but Norwegian ones can be used.

I can do some writing, but can someone else do the renaming, please? - Hordaland (talk) 12:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Help on Olav V of Norway

In the article Olav V of Norway there's seems to be a controversy about the inclusion of a well sourced discussion about his origin [9]. Can someone familiar with the subject and Wikipedia:Policy please look into it? The theory in question has been discussed in no:Historisk Tidsskrift (and been covered in all the main newspapers in Norway), the leading Norwegian historic journal, so removing the paragraph on the grounds that it is slander is not correct? Nsaa (talk) 13:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability is quite clear: “the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth.” One might call Bomann-Larsen's theory a fringe theory, but as it is “referenced extensively, and in a serious manner, in at least one major publication, or by a notable group or individual that is independent of the theory,” it should meet the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. --Kjetil r (talk) 02:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

The question is not whether this fringe theory should be censored from Wikipedia, but whether trying to give it a balanced discussion merits so so much space in Olav V. A better solution would be to create a separate article either for Bomann-Larsen or for his book, and hash out the argument there. Then the Olav V article could contain a single wikilinked sentence on the lines of "A recent book by Bomann-Larsen has suggested that Olav V was conceived by artificial insemination using sperm from an English donor; others dispute the evidence for this claim." betsythedevine (talk) 18:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Björn or Bjørn Wiik?

Wikipedia gives results for both spellings of the name of this physicist from Norway, who spent much of his working life in Germany. Right now the article is filed under the "Björn Wiik" (title of article in German Wikipedia) with a redirect from "Bjørn Wiik," but I wonder if it should be the other way around. betsythedevine (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I seem to recall from having looked into this somewhat mystery in the past that he himself has chosen to use the unusual (for a Norwegian) spelling with a Swedish ö instead of the Dano-Norwegian ø. If this is his preferred spelling and he is profiled using this spelling, it would be merely a matter of course for Wikipedia to submit to his choise also. __meco (talk) 08:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

North Sea

North Sea is currently undergoing GA review. Any assistance appreciated.SriMesh | talk 00:11, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Black Box Teater

This article about a notable Oslo theater/theater company was deleted as an expired prod, which I failed to catch. I'm sure people acquainted with this entity agrees that this would be a viable article. __meco (talk) 11:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It was a bad article with POV-problems and no sources. If you want to fix it I can undelete it. Rettetast (talk) 19:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Not for now at least. Perhaps we should just wait for a decent article to be written from scratch. __meco (talk) 10:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

The financial crisis

There seems to be a vacuum in the description of the global economic turmoils from a Norwegian vatnage point. I have made some minor efforts previously in updating related articles, but I notice that for instance Late 2000s recession has sections for most European countries, but no mention of Norway. Also the Economy of Norway article has not been updated to reflect any of the developments of the past several months. __meco (talk) 16:04, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Free 100-year-old Norway photos

These could be useful for various WP articles. See [10]. Badagnani (talk) 22:30, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

They're lovely, thanks! Mouseover give minimal description without clicking. The text asks for any corrections of naming/spellings/geographical info, and several of the pics have amassed comments. For example someone has informed about the fire at Fantoft Stavkyrkje and noted that it wasn't within Bergen when the pic was taken. - Hordaland (talk) 09:21, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

What's the formula for uploading them to commons? Licensing etc. Punkmorten (talk) 10:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

I've been thinking about that myself. I think there are bot procedures on Commons that can be invoked to import such collections in bulk. It would nevertheless be useful for us here to be kept informed about this as manual work needs to be applied both in categorizing the images on Commons and moreover finding placement for the images in our articles. __meco (talk) 10:18, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

RE:Wikipedia:Featured article review/Gunnhild, Mother of Kings

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List of Nobel Peace Prize Laureates

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List of heads of government of Norway

Leaders before Norways independence, should they be included in this list? --This Feels Right (talk) 12:39, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Before 1905? Oh, yes, by all means. It was only a loose union 1814-1905. Punkmorten (talk) 12:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, was the prime ministers of Stockholm prime ministers of Norway, cause the Prime Ministers template doesn't say so.... --This Feels Right (talk) 15:34, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Everything in the article is correct, there's no need to worry. As the article says, from 1814 Norway had a Prime Minister in Stockholm and a First Minister in Christiania, with the former being the more powerful. The First Minister was overruled by the Viceroy or Governor whenever a such was present. In 1873, the two latter posts were abolished (having already been vacant since 1856/1857), and from now the First Minister became senior to the Prime Minister in Stockholm. If anything should be changed, it's the template. Punkmorten (talk) 18:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

What template... --This Feels Right (talk) 18:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps you could stop making unilateral changes, as the page is already glaring with errors introduced by you? Punkmorten (talk) 19:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

All of that information comes from the earlier version so i really haven't made any errors... --This Feels Right (talk) 19:55, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

And yes i've screwed up when it comes to information, but when it comes to order i've fixed the problem!!! --This Feels Right (talk) 20:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

What problem? Punkmorten (talk) 20:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at List of Presidents of the United States and List of presidents of the Russian Federation and look at the tabells. It's much cleaner and much more order in the system. And it's better looking.... --This Feels Right (talk) 20:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Does the prime ministers from the periode of 1814–1873 have a party, cause i can't find anything about it? --This Feels Right (talk) 21:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The "problem" is that the political situation in Norway between 1814 and 1905 was not necessarily "clean and much more order in the system". Our articles should reflect the real-life complexity, not be streamlined simply because it looks good. Parties did not exist at all before 1884. Punkmorten (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Prime Ministers Jagland & Stoltenberg

The pages related to the prime ministers of Norway NEEDS expansion, i've started to work on Thorbjørn Jagland, but it would be nice to get some help on these articles which all have major importance... --This Feels Right (talk) 19:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

What most of them need is generally better sourcing, as well as editing for flow, and removing Norwenglish language. The addition of new material is also welcome, providing that sources are added, but please don't duplicate the material already included in an article. Punkmorten (talk) 20:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, i've expanded the article and added new information from the BBC, CNN among others. Can someone help me with expanding the lead and the early career section on the Thorbjørn Jagland article, thanks... --This Feels Right (talk) 22:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Names of cabinets

The unilateral series of moves by This Feels Right (talk · contribs)—moving first cabinet Gerhardsen to Einar Gerhardsen's first term as Prime Minister of Norway and cabinet Jagland to Premiership of Thorbjørn Jagland—should clearly have been discussed first. The current names are obviously far out. "Premiership of Thorbjørn Jagland"? Government.no uses names like "Thorbjørn Jagland's government", for the record. Punkmorten (talk) 20:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I looked at articles such as Presidency of George W. Bush among others to see how the articles should be named, yes i agree that the naming ain't as good, but its better than the other titles. --This Feels Right (talk) 20:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

That article you cited is not about the same thing as the ones you moved. What other titles? Punkmorten (talk) 20:15, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I know, but that's the closest i came, hey i don't ceare if you change it, but just don't change it back to the titles they had before which where terrible. --This Feels Right (talk) 20:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

See George W. Bush's second term as President of the United States --This Feels Right (talk) 20:22, 31 January 2009 (UTC) And here George_W._Bush_Cabinet#Administration_and_Cabinet --This Feels Right (talk) 20:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Could I request that when you create such pages, please don't use the current pages as a base for expansion, as they (especially with state secretaries) are too long to fit in such an overview page. They should be retained as lists of their own. Punkmorten (talk) 20:51, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

okay for me, i'm the new user here so.... --This Feels Right (talk) 21:02, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Sure, if everybody else wants it the other way, it'll be that way, but big moves should be discussed first. Punkmorten (talk) 21:05, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

I will give rebirth to this discussion, since the article names are bothering me a lot. I agree that the old names were not optimal, so I had a look around. Sweden has Third cabinet of Per Albin Hansson and Cabinet of Göran Persson; Denmark Cabinet of Knud Kristensen and Cabinet of Anders Fogh Rasmussen I; Finland Paavo Lipponen's first cabinet; Italy Berlusconi IV Cabinet; the Netherlands Netherlands cabinet Van Agt-2; Malaysia First Tunku Abdul Rahman Ministry; and Indonesia Revised Ampera Cabinet. Personally I prefer the Swedish or Finnish solution, but perhaps without the last names. Also, I belive a cabinet is a proper noun, and therefore should be capitalized. What opinions do other people have? Arsenikk ^(talk) 09:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure you mean first names, not last names? I agree, though, that the recent mass move should be undone. I have earlier noted Government.no's chosen form, i.e. "Thorbjørn Jagland's Government". I think the naming form should be easy and possible to fit into a running text. Among the above I prefer the Finnish solution, but perhaps without including the first name. Moreover we should say "first", "second" etc, not I, II. Punkmorten (talk) 09:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I do not agree that 'cabinet' is a proper noun; it should not be capitalized unless it's the first word in a title or sentence. Same with king, government, president and prime minister. Here's an example from Manual of Style:

• "Louis XVI was the French king" but "Louis XVI was King of France", King of France being a title in that context.

But Wikipedia is not consistent on these matters. I should think that by our own rules, Manual of Style should be written Manual of style. - Hordaland (talk) 12:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

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Move suggestion

I would like to propose that Allmennaksjeselskap be moved to ASA or something, the current name is um, very difficult to remember. Sephiroth storm (talk) 00:18, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Britain stood alone against the Axis in 1940

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It's really cool. Punkmorten (talk) 11:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is. It monitors all articles with the wikiproject template on the talk page, so remember adding it when nominating a relevant article for somethng. Rettetast (talk) 12:13, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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Most famous Norwegian actors?

I have read the interesting article of Laura Gundersen. Before her, there is said to be only Danish actors employed at the theatre of Oslo. But they also belonged to the Norwegian theatre history. Who was the most noted actor and actresses in lso before her, in the period of 18th century-1840? It would be interesting to know more of this part of Norwegian history! regards--85.226.46.34 (talk) 13:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Olav Bjaaland

I am no expert, but I believe the page on Olav Bjaaland is understating his contribution. My recollection is that due especially to his skiing prowess, and the consequent invaluable contribution he made to the expedition, Amundsen gave him the honor of skiing ahead and actually being the very first man to cross the South Pole.

Is there anybody out there who can confirm this?

Tom Scherer56.0.163.16 (talk) 20:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

The Ali Farah case

Talk:The Ali Farah case#Urgent need for cleanup - nom for DYK. 'nuf said. __meco (talk) 20:21, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

No work done, so the article was never featured. __meco (talk) 09:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Fredrikshald Bay

I'm looking for information about the naming of Fredrikshald Bay in Nunavut, Canada. I believe that Arctic explorer Roald Amundsen's grandfather was born in Fredrikshald, Norway, but I haven't found anything in English to support that's the reason why the bay has this name. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Kaptein Kaald

Someone's new page. Worth saving? (I fixed the English a bit and added category:Norwegian sailors.) - Hordaland (talk) 15:14, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The article title is not acceptable, for sure. The image must go. As for the article, seems to be on the edge of notability, but I'd be willing to accept it. Punkmorten (talk) 20:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I moved it too Paul Andreas Kaald. If someone has bothered to write a full newspaper article on the guy 150 years post mortem, he is notable enough for me. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The article is a part of a series explaining every road name in Trondheim, just for the record. Punkmorten (talk) 22:18, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Villages and settlements

What does it take for a Norwegian settlement to earn the description village? Category:Villages in Norway first seems to say that village means tettsted, then it seems to say that it does not. Lists of villages contain settlements ranging from town-sized to ten houses by a curve in the road. Ters (talk) 23:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

We don't know ourselves. Thus the persistent confusion. __meco (talk) 09:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Too bad that there are no guidelines or an agreed upon definition, because I find it hard to try and clean up the list of villages in my local area when I can't say what's right and what's wrong. Then again, this does not appear to be the most active discussion page on the wiki, so maybe someone out there knows. But where? Ters (talk) 20:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if Statistics Norway even have a name for settlements with 199 inhabitants and less. Punkmorten (talk) 20:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe not Statistics Norway, but Norwegian Mapping and Cadastre Authority labels smaller settlements as "bygd" and "grend", which a dictionary translates as village and hamlet respectively. I have not found any precise definition of what makes a "bygd" a "bygd" and not a "grend", just that the former is the larger of the two. I just discovered that one of the places I felt was wrong to list as a village, is not even classified as a "grend". Ters (talk) 23:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

What place? It's not unlikely that it was larger in older times. Punkmorten (talk) 08:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The place I was referring to is Kjerret in the list of villages in Hedmark. It might have had more inhabitants once, like many other rural settlements in Norway, but I don't know how many. Even if I did, would it be enough to call it a village? That is the question I am asking: How can I tell if a place is a village or not? The village article is very vague, although the photos give an impression of rather large settlements with people living close together. At least compared to settlements here in Kongsvinger (and maybe Norway in general). There are also some inconsistencies in the list of villages in Hedmark. Gjermshus is mentioned, but not the larger and more well known Granli. The postal code given for Gjermshus is that of Granli. Gjermshus does not have its own postal code. Ters (talk) 16:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

There is a certain cultural difference in what constitutes a villages in England, and what it does in Norway. The British village is a tightly built-up area, often with a very sharp end (dense housing on one side of the road, fields on the other). Norwegian village building is quite different—houses are often built on hills to avoid taking up precious agricultral land, giving a much more spread-out layout and making it very difficult to draw a border. IMO, the problem lays not so much in calling a settlement with a small population a village, but calling a very spread-out settlement a village. Rural Norway has an uncommon way of building houses in the middle of fields, typically evenly about a hundred meters away from each other. Thus a rural area is spread out, but can have a significant population without giving the feeling of a center. Arsenikk ^(talk) 21:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Most of the places I recognize in the list of villages in Hedmark have a distinct centre, whether they are classified as tettsted or not here in Norway. These contain homes not related to a farm (apart from the fact that the land they stand on once belonged to a farm), typically less than hundred metres apart. This cluster of buildings may also contain shops, a school, a church (more rarely) and other non-residential buildings, although schools and shops not in a tettsted have usually closed down by now in these parts.

I wonder what kind of information the lists of villages is trying to convey. Is it supposed to be an index of all places/settlements in Norway, grouped by county and excluding towns, or something more specific? If an index, it lacks many placenames and I think it should also include towns so readers do not have to look them up separately. If something more specific, then what?

I also get the feeling that I am probably just thinking out aloud here, rather than coming up with something constructive. But I guess nothing gets better unless someone points out the faults. Ters (talk) 08:54, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I made the list, 2 1/2 years ago I think, and it was meant to be an index. But I had a very hard time finding authoritative sources, so I wrote down places listed in the atlas as having a certain amount of inhabitants etc. It's not a very good list, but better than nothing. Punkmorten (talk) 09:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks like it is Falling Rain Genomics' Directory of Cities and Towns in Hedmark Fylke, Norway that is to blame. Many of the population estimates are way higher or way lower than those Statistics Norway uses. Roverud is listed with an estimated population of 1250, while the article here says 840. Kongsvinger is also listed with a population of only 1250, when it has 11,394 and that's not a recent growth spurt. Kjerret is listed with 874, when it is not even a tettsted with 200. Of course, Falling Rain Genomics might include a (much) bigger area than Statistics Norway when calculating the population, but that does not explain Kongsvinger's low population or why Granli is missing. My guess is that they have gotten the raw data all wrong, or that it was already bad before they processed it. The fact that all these places are listed in a directory of cities and towns, marked as cities (looks like everything is) and with many duplicate entries, make me very suspicious of this source. Ters (talk) 11:19, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Does your WikiProject care about talk pages of redirects?

Does your project care about what happens to the talk pages of articles that have been replaced with redirects? If so, please provide your input at User:Mikaey/Request for Input/ListasBot 3. Thanks, Matt (talk) 02:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Lade

There seems to be a school class or something that has created a lot of articles relating to Lade in Trondheim. So far I have found Ostdin (talk · contribs), Ladefreaks (talk · contribs) and Ilupetter (talk · contribs). Please help by cleaning up their contributions. Rettetast (talk) 19:05, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Also Kajaa93 (talk · contribs) and Maja Ida (talk · contribs). Rettetast (talk) 19:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

and Ezkil (talk · contribs). Punkmorten (talk) 21:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest

A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.

The Transhumanist 00:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation

This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

If any members are interested, please visit the GA sweeps page for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the running total page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles from the worklist or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. With ~1,300 articles left to review, we would appreciate any editors that could contribute in helping to uphold the quality of GAs. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:24, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

FAR

I have nominated Krag-Jørgensen‎ for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Galleri Rom

Would any Norwegian-reading editors mind a look at this AfD? We're having trouble with sourcing, because there don't appear to be any in English. I know sources need not be in English, but being unable to read the sources, we can't determine notability. Thanks! StarM 00:17, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Infomation About Flags

There are many flags that are not on the wikipedia page at this address http://flagspot.net/flags/no-l0001.html#auth it will be useful to put these in to the List of Flags of Norway if you please —Preceding unsigned comment added by Admiralspockman (talk • contribs) 02:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Please make the appropriate edits and source them with reliable sources. 02:15, 4 June 2009 Rettetast

FAR

I have nominated Krag-Petersson for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 04:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Oslo streets safe – for now

A recent AfD to delete articles on several minor Oslo streets was closed as no consensus. I personally am very happy about this respite and I would be glad to see more of the Oslo street articles from the Bokmål Wikipedia transferred here. Kategori:Veier i Oslo there currently holds more than 400 articles. Whew! __meco (talk) 09:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

As far as I can see the dicussion was closed as "no consensus between merge and delete" and they'll probably be merged into other articles soon. I don't think creating more articles on Oslo streets is a good idea until there is consensus that they are notable. --Aqwis (talk) 11:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, tactically, it's not a good idea to create articles on insignificant roads such as Abbediengveien first - articles on the more important streets, motorways, thoroughfares, and squares, for example, should be created before these. Otherwise, you might see somebody attempt to mass delete all or at least many of the articles, without judging each individual article's notability. Do note that the general community consensus that geographic articles are typically inherently notable does not hold for articles on roads or streets - such articles, even GAs, have been deleted in the past. --Aqwis (talk) 11:23, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Article naming conventions for sovereigns

There is an ongoing discussion of how naming guidelines apply to Scandinavian sovereigns at WT:NCNT#Name-Ordinal-Country construction revisited, and this discussion has recently been moved to a subpage at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)/Scandinavian sovereigns. Please feel free to join in the discussion there. Thank you. Wilhelm Meis (Quatsch!) 11:14, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Norwegian IPA key

I added Norwegian switches to the {{IPA-sv}} pronunciation template, and created WP:IPA for Swedish and Norwegian to go along with it. It would be nice if we could keep the same IPA values for the two languages as much as possible, since we have the pronunciations for people who don't know either language.

I would appreciate it if people here took a look, since I don't know what I'm doing! The key words are primarily Swedish, and perhaps some are not found in Norwegian? Also, the articles are inconsistent: for å, some articles have [oː] and some have [ɔː]; some show vowel length, some don't; some show stress, some don't; and none distinguish accent 1 from accent 2.

There are only about twenty articles, so if y'all could verify that the transcriptions are correct & match the key, that should help our readers. kwami (talk) 01:37, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I know almost nothing about IPA, but some things seem strange with WP:IPA for Swedish and Norwegian. Many examples are quite different in Norwegian than in Swedish. I think it is best if each language has its own examples. Not everyone speaking Norwegian will know how to pronounce the Swedish examples. Ters (talk) 08:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

That might be a good idea. Are you speaking of the vowels, or everything? kwami (talk) 09:55, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

There are many things. Some words used as examples are pronounced differently, like nord, where the d is silent in Norwegian. (Maybe some dialects may pronounce it.) It is certainly a poor example for a sound similar to the Swedish d in the same word. Other words are different when spoken and written, but may not affect the specific sound in question: kjol/kjole, lång/lang, fira/feire. While others do not fit for Norwegian at all, primarily sjok. I usually understand Swedish, but I have never heard that word before and can not come up with any Norwegian word for chunk that is similar. Nor can my dictionary.

Then there are some strange English equivalents, but I won't try to figure that out until the former problem is sorted out. I can say for certain that in Norwegian, kjol would be pronounced nothing like huge in English. Ters (talk) 11:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

There's no reason we need to stick to any of those examples. If you can come up with words that work in both Swedish and Norwegian, that would be great. Otherwise we can use separate examples.

As for English equivalents, of course in many cases there is nothing that's close. Suggestions are welcome. kwami (talk) 13:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

I live in western Norway. My first 2 reactions are: (1) never heard of many of those Swedish words, (2) Oslo isn't Norway!!! How many times is Oslo mentioned in that article? It grates every time.

First problem can probably be solved by finding recognisable Swedish words and spelling them out in both languages. Making Norway a stepchild of Sweden is not the way to go.

You're right that in Oslo there is a 'sh' sound in 'fersk', but not anywhere I've lived in the country.

Vowels are, of course, tricky. To me 'hel' (whole) in Norwegian doesn't sound much at all like 'hail'. And the 'a' that I say in 'ago' is way different from the 'e' in 'begå'. Maybe the (first, unstressed) 'e' in bedeck?

'kj' is not formed like any English sound, but it sounds a lot like 'ch'; it's formed at the back of the tongue without any 't' sound. Einar Haugen's dictionary says it's like the 'Ch' in the German 'Chemie'.

Good luck! If it's any comfort, Danish will be worse :-) - Hordaland (talk) 20:23, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, I would almost say that it's impossible to provide a single version of this for Norwegian. For example, I live (have immigrated to) Ulsteinvik, in Sunnmøre. In the dialect here, there definitely IS an "sh" sound in "fersk". On the other hand, "kj", such as the beginning of of the name "Kjell" is very hard - like the English "ch" from "church". Then, when we drive into vowels, they all open up a lot more, meaning that our "fersk" example could pretty much be transliterated to "farshk", while in Bergen, it would almost be "fehrsk" pronounced by a French speaker(Yeah, I know - I don't have a sweet clue about how IPA works). My point is that the dialects in Norwegian are so different as to make a single pronunciation key either meaningless or unuseably massive (showing all the possibilities). In my mind, about the only way to do this would be dialect-by-dialect. In that case, the issue becomes that because dialects have been strongly and effectively maintained in Norway, there are literally hundreds of different descriptions that would be needed. I know, I've only described problems, and given no solutions, but it's a really tough problem! AshleyMorton (talk) 14:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

I was going to say that the list in Einar Haugen's dictionary was good. Until I looked at it again. Only the ones he's marked with an equal sign are good; some of the rest are awful. And the equal signs are mostly on konsonants: B D F G H J=y K M N NG P S SJ=sh T and then V, but I don't agree with him on that last one. Vowels: a, far as in far; e, tenn as in ten; e, lettes as u in lettuce (den var fikst men ikkje heilt rett, vel); i, bit as in beat-- and that is it. The rest are like hel~hail and worse.

How's this project going? - Hordaland (talk) 21:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you looked at the talk page? Ters (talk) 22:52, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Let's stay cool

The elections were yesterday, and the results are more or less ready. However I'd say that we wait until we get good, solid sources. Wait adding missing biographies, for instance. www.stortinget.no should be a good source in not too long. Geschichte (talk) 07:16, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Dovrefjell-Sunndalsfjella national park

Noen bedre oversettelse av "geologiske forekomster" enn "geological deposits" - noen som har det (skjønt det er jo mest kvartærgeologi som er interessant, og da er kanskje deposits ikke så dumt lell?)

Noen som vet hvordan man får tekstbryting rundt innholdsboksen?

--Carl S. Bj (talk) 10:25, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

According to Teknisk norsk–engelsk, you can use the terms "bearing", "bed", "deposit", "presence" or "locality" of a deposit in relation to a "forekomst" relating to mining. For coal, use the word "seam". Other possible words are "existence" or "occurance". I'm not a geologist, so I don't know if any of them are technically correct. As for word wrap around the table of content, this is not desireable. It has been decided that the best way of displaying Wikipedia articles is to have some blank space at the top of the article, to clearer distinguish the lead from the main body. Arsenikk ^(talk) 18:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Naming conventions for Norway/Norwegian articles

Are there any such? There was a link on WP:Naming conventions (now moved to WP:PRNC) telling people to come here to find such (proposed) conventions, but there don't seem to be any. I'm removing the link from WP:PRNC, but please readd such a link there or at WP:NC if there's a relevant page to link to. Thanks,--Kotniski (talk) 16:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

There used to be some naming conventions on the WikiProject page (see [11]), but they seem to have been removed when the page was remade. Honestly, I don't think it is necessary and possibly even detrimental for a small WikiProject like WPNorway to have its own set of naming conventions, although others may differ. --Aqwis (talk) 17:02, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Nansen's Fram expedition

I have been working on this for some months, and intend shortly to submit it for WP:Peer review. It is I think an appropriate article for Project Norway, and I would be pleased to have any comments, criticisms or suggestions from members of the project. Brianboulton (talk) 09:47, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Fascinating article - thanks so much. I'm (all too) good at nitpicking, and have done so. You're free to revert me, especially if I've americanized you. The Norwegians should get busy and translate this to Norwegian. - Hordaland (talk) 16:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

The article is now a candidate at WP:FAC; you might want to comment there. Your help in improving the article in small ways has been invaluable. I, too, hope to see it transalated to Norwegian. Brianboulton (talk) 20:37, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

IFA

I have proposed to move Ivar Andresen to Ivar F. Andresen. Your opinion is appreciated at the article's talk page. Regards, decltype (talk) 09:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Municipalities vs. settlements

Currently on the English Wikipedia, there is a single article for municipalities and their administrative center if they have the same name. For instance, there is only one article about Steinkjer, although 'Steinkjer' is two different things: a municipality and a town, where the municipality took the name of the largest settlement in 1964. In the neighboring municipality of Verdal, the administrative center (despite being smaller than Steinkjer) has its own article, because there the administrative center has a different name than the municipality, i.e. Verdalsøra. I would guess that about half the municipalities in Norway take their name from the main town or village, while the remaining have this separate. In Sweden-related article, they have taken this into account, and have created different articles, for instance Strömsund Municipality and Strömsund, where the latter is about the village while the former is about the municipality. Is this an appropriate naming convention? Personally I like it, but alternatives would be to use Foo (municipality) and Foo (village/town/city) or Foo and Foo (village/town/city). The most important issue is if a person who types in 'Steinkjer' comes to the article about the municipality or the town. Any ideas anyone? Arsenikk ^(talk) 09:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It would increase clarity, but there would be a lot of overlapping information. Geschichte (talk) 10:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It is difficult to come with a clear answer. In some cases, the history of the administrative center and the municipality is the same. Especially for municipalities formed from cities, the ones previously called bykommune in Norwegian. Oslo even has a county all by itself (although there is a small separate urban area according to Statistics Norway). Splitting up such articles would just form new stubs with no or little information beyond population and area, or articles containing duplicated information, requiring more maintenance. Ters (talk) 12:18, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

We now have a new article Bergen (municipality). Geschichte (talk) 10:58, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

That's ridiculous and requires additional discussion. The cities are defined by the municipalities (and their borders), not the SSB urban areas. Bergen (as a city) encompasses the ENTIRE municipality, not just the urban area - while the SSB urban areas would possibly be better, that's not the situation today and seperating Bergen as a municipality from Bergen as a city is original research. What you could do, however, is create an article for the Bergen urban area, which is not the same as the city or the municipality, and thus deserves a separate article. --Aqwis (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

In general, I would oppose the separate sections for the town and municipality. Where do you put historical information, which before a certain point is identical, and even in modern times is largely identical? Additionally, it is now, for example, incorrect to put information about municipal government in the Bergen article - it should be in the Bergen (municipality) article. Of course, that's correct by categorization, but it would be silly to have an article about the second largest city in a country without some information about its local government. Also - transport: airports and train stations clearly serve both the city and municipality. Should we really be either duplicating the info or deleting it from one? Both seem like bad solutions to me.

At the same time, there are a number of parts of the country that argue for this sort of treatment. One of the benefits is that it would allow us to expand some of the urban centres' articles to be about the whole urban centre, rather than just the municipality, because there would be a separate article for the municipality. As an example, it is not wrong for Oslo to mention Bærum specifically - Bærum has become an integral part of the thing called Oslo. Similarly, it seems silly to talk about Ålesund, and include the rural populations within the borders (say, Ellingsøy), but exclude the clearly suburban population that is outside the borders (such as in Sula municipality). The final argument in favour of this treatment (though I am against it, in general) is in the cases of municipalities that are big, and rural, but happen to share the name of their largest town. (Bodø, Alta and even Tromsø fit this bill). At that point, there is a difference between city and municipality that is much starker than in, say, Trondheim, Stavanger, or even a small, but not as rural, municipality like Hareid. AshleyMorton (talk) 13:04, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

We also have a Category:Metropolitan regions of Norway. Geschichte (talk) 13:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

The article Oslo should discuss only the municipality (but probably discuss how most of the municipality is part of the Oslo SSB urban area). The Oslo (urban area) or Oslo metropolitan area articles should discuss both Oslo and its suburbs, and the same goes for Ålesund and other cities. What should not be done, however, is elevating SSB's urban areas to the official definition of "city", which, lacking a definitive, official and unambiguous source which does define "city" as "large SSB urban area" (or similar), is original research. As such, the main article (e.g. Bergen or Oslo) should discuss both the municipality and the city which is coterminous with it, while another article (e.g. Bergen (urban area) or Oslo (urban area)) should discuss the SSB urban area. --Aqwis (talk) 13:42, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

My original concern was for what I would call towns within geographically large municipalities, that have several unambiguous settlements (typically villages) separate from the municipal center, but where the municipality and town share the same name. At the top of my head I can think of Steinkjer, Levanger, Røros, Voss and Molde. Personally, I was never intending that places like Trondheim or Bergen would have split articles, although urban area articles might be possible, such as Greater Oslo and I would think a similar article for at least Bergen, Trondheim and Stavanger would be suitable—since in these cases the settlement extends beyond the municipal boarders (the opposite problem as I was initially citing). In other countries there is a greater culture to differentiate between the city proper, the urban area (the continuous built-out area) and the metropolitan area (surrounding a city at about commuter distance). We seem to have a good coverage of the first and last, but not the urban areas, where as far as I can see we only have a single article (Oslo). Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, the article Bergen (municipality) should be deleted in any case, as it was created by copy-paste moving material from the Bergen article. --Aqwis (talk) 13:57, 20 October 2009 (UTC)]])

FAR

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norwegian jazz musicians

Looking at the page for norwegian jazz musicians is noticed that Ketil Bjornstad did not get a mention. Is he Norwegian? If so he deserves to be in there.

Regards,

Brendan Singleton Ireland —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.73.69 (talk) 19:37, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Ketil_Bjørnstad. Rettetast (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Niels Klim's Underground Travels

is within project Novels and project Denmark. Seems like it also should be in project Norway? It takes place here, after all. (På ein måte...) - Hordaland (talk) 15:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Nils Klims reise til den underjordiske verden? Definitely. I added the banner. decltype (talk) 15:57, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Takk! - Hordaland (talk) 23:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Christiania vs Kristiania

I learned something new today. According to Talk:Nansen's Fram expedition#Note on "Christiania", the English name is Christiania and not Kristiania. Thus, Kristiania should not be used for Oslo, not even between 1870s-1890s and 1925. I have personally used Kristiania in some 500-1000 articles, so it will take long to fix. Any comments? Geschichte (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Can the fact that "Christiania" was the city's name in English all the way until 1925 be cited to a reliable source? If not, we cannot say that it was merely because "Christiania" looks more English than "Kristiania" does. --Aqwis (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

As a native Engish speaker I have always known Christiania as the English spelling. As for the citation idea, well all I can come up with is a test using Google Scholar. What I did was type in the names and then looked at the number of results. Christiania had 35 600 hits, while Kristiania had 12 200 hits. This would suggest that Christiania is the most commonly used. That being said I would vote for all future reference to it be spelled Christiania. (Ice Explorer (talk) 04:04, 14 November 2009 (UTC))

Too bad Google cannot (AFAIK) offer results decade by decade or even century by century. When Christian IV (1577 – 1648) was rebuilding the city and for a long time after that, it's name was Christiania. So the C spelling should get the most hits.

I think that for historical articles, from before the Norwegians started getting uppity, we can/should use Christiania.

According to our article on Kristiansand: The name was written "Christian(s)sand" until 1877 - then, according to an official spelling reform (that changed ch to k), the form was changed to "Kristianssand". (See also the names Kristiansund and Kristiania that were affected by the same reform.) The name was again changed to its present form Kristiansand in 1889. Looks to me like we can use Chr until 1877 and Kr thereafter.

Had the name not been changed to Oslo, we'd still be writing Kristiania. - Hordaland (talk) 07:48, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Merkantilt biografisk leksikon

Within Project Runeberg I have digitized Merkantilt biografisk leksikon : hvem er hvem i næringslivet? (1935). I hope it can be a useful reference source for biographic articles. --LA2 (talk) 10:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, Hvem er Hvem? 1973 has been digitized. --LA2 (talk) 23:31, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure it'll come in handy. Nice work. (Ice Explorer (talk) 09:45, 14 November 2009 (UTC))

Norwegian Explorer stub

I was thinking we need to have a Norwegian Explorer Stub like the British one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:British_explorer_stubs.

Does anyone have experience doing this ? Your thoughts ? (Ice Explorer (talk) 16:59, 14 November 2009 (UTC))

Red tape available at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals. Looks like there should be at least 60 articles before they create a category. Category:Norwegian explorers currently have 48 pages and only about 15 are stubs. Rettetast (talk) 17:25, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Good to know, guess I'll have to up the output eh. Anyone want to help ? (Ice Explorer (talk) 17:32, 14 November 2009 (UTC))

If you have a good source I could always help stubbing. Creating a list of articles that should be created would be a good idea. Rettetast (talk) 17:41, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

I was being more sarcastic about myself being not a high output kinda person then anything else but I was just interested in improving the whole Norwegian Explorer category because I think this is one of the areas a lot of English speaking people first get to know Norway, specially kids. I'll mostly be working on getting an article to FA. It's a huge task and have much to learn, but I do like to take my mind elsewhere from time to time to get a break. I'll look into the list idea. (Ice Explorer (talk) 18:10, 14 November 2009 (UTC))

B-class too often used

Looking at assessments of articles within this WikiProject, I often find that articles rated as B-class don't actually come close to meeting the B-class criteria. Most of the time, it's because an article lacks references. If it doesn't have at least one reference per paragraph, I think it's safe to say that the article can be degraded at once - to C-class or Start.

On the other hand, it's good if sources can be added, so that B-class can be reached. But this is not necessarily excpected of editors. It's cool, too, if one just handles the assessment. Geschichte (talk) 22:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Agree- Looks like many of the assessments are from when standards were lower. As you say it is the lacking references that is the problem. There are currently about 200 articles assessed as B for WikiProject Norway. I'll start with A and have a look. Rettetast (talk) 22:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Let us hope that the problem doesn't arise in the future. I love it how sourcing becomes more and more encouraged here. Myself, I take much better care of sources now than I did last year. Geschichte (talk) 22:06, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Translation help

I need a working translation of the quote from sogneprest Krogh. Can anyone help please ?

oplyser om at bygningen senere hadde tjent som herremag, altså den bekvemmelighet som almuen så vel i middelalderen som langt ned i efterreformatorisk tid skulde vedlikeholde på enhver prestegård av hensyn til biskopenes ophold under sine visitaser; ved en åbotsforretning 3. sept. 1787 erklærte sogneprest Krogh at han i likhet med sine forgjengere vilde holde «det gamle stenhus . . . vedlige som en Antikvitet, uden ringeste Udgift for Almuen, da det ej længer passer som Almuens saakaldede Herregemak»; i en innberetning til Selskabet for Norges Vel av 29. aug. 1812 meddelte E. Møllerop (Ice Explorer (talk) 02:53, 15 November 2009 (UTC))

Working on it. Hordaland (talk) 11:36, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Translation:

[a 1743 report from parson Hannibal Hammer] informs that the building later had served as a room/apartment for gentlemen, that is those convenience facilities that the public in the middle ages as well as long after the reformation was required to keep up on/at each parsonage to house the bishops during their visitations [inspections];

by a compensatory [for damages??] transaction the third of September 1787, parson Krogh declared that he, like his predecessors, would keep up "the old stone-building . . . as an antique, without any expenses whatsoever for the public, as it no longer can be used as the public's so-called room/apartment for gentlemen";

in a report 29 August 1812 to The Society for Norway's Benefit* E. Møllerop announced, among other things, that.............

* Now The Royal Society for Norway's Benefit, Det Kgl. Selskap for Norges Vel

BTW, so-called "Norwegian" texts this old are in a sort of Norwegian/Danish, so a Danish translator could have been recruited. The bit within the quotes is in Danish. Hordaland (talk) 12:37, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, really appreciate that. Let me know if I can return the favor some day.(Ice Explorer (talk) 19:22, 15 November 2009 (UTC))

OK, I had to go find the whole text, as the beginning and the end of that rambling "sentence" were not satisfactory. Fixed above. The whole thing is guesses & speculations about how old the building is and what purposes it may have served through its long life. It survived when the other of the parsonage's buildings were torn down in 1901. - Hordaland (talk) 20:57, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

The organization doesn't have "Benefit" in its name, but is rather called the Royal Norwegian Society for Development - see this. Geschichte (talk) 22:00, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Geschichte (Ice Explorer (talk) 09:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC))

public domain - official technical drawings

I have some drawings of parts of the Alexander L. Kielland oil-rig which had an accident in 1980.

This drawings are from: The "Alexander L. Kielland"-accident: From a Commission Appointed by Royal Decree of 28th March, 1980 : Report Presented to Ministry of Justice and Police, March 1981 (NOU 1981:11)

The English translation of §9 of Act No. 2 of 12 May 1961 relating to Copyright in Literary, Scientific and Artistic Works, etc., states:

Legal statutes, administrative regulations, court decisions and other decisions by public authorities are not protected by this Act. This is also the case with proposals, reports and other statements which concern the public exercise of authority, and which are made by a public authority, a publicly appointed council or committee, or published by the public authorities. ... Literary, scientific or artistic works which have not been produced specially for use in documents specified in the first paragraph, and from which parts are quoted or which are reproduced in a separate appendix, are not covered by this provision. Nor shall the first paragraph apply to poetry, musical compositions or works of art. [Emphasis added.]

Because I can't read the text in the original language, there ist the question:

Is a simple technical drawing (more a sketch with comments) public domain or are there mistakes in the above translation using the terms "artistic works" and "works of art" and also a technical drawing is seen as "art"?

The drawings are on the Commons at petroleum production of norway (they are coloured by myself because the originals were not so good)

--Wiki-Chris (talk) 16:46, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

By the way, the discussion is taking place at "Commons:Commons talk:Licensing#Graphics from a Norwegian Commission". Do contribute there. — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 07:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Ulvik Lutheran Church

Ulvik Lutheran Church is currently up at AfD. Since coverage is probably mostly limited to Norwegian sources, some Norwegian eyes might be beneficial to the discussion. Regards, decltype (talk) 08:53, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Population graphs available for all municipalities

Commons:Category:Population graphs for Norwegian municipalities contains image files of population graphs for all of Norway's municipalities. At least the Bokmål, Nynorsk and Spanish Wikipedias have availed themselves of this resource. It has even been included in the municipality infobox, see no:Rauma. __meco (talk) 17:44, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hallingdal

There is a village in Hallingdal, called Dagali, which is not mentioned in the article. A history going back 1,000 years was written by Kare Soensterud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genedoug (talk • contribs) 02:54, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Norwegian names and characters

Could anyone here who knows about Norwegian names and characters (letters) help out here? Thanks! Carcharoth (talk) 05:50, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway/Cleanup listing#Unreferenced BLPs

FYI - A massive discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people. About 50k of articles are currently unreferenced and therefore in danger of deletion, some of those are on Norwegian subjects (like Per Morten Hoff, deleted exactly for being unreferenced). The link above points to a list of unreferenced articles with the WikiProject Norway template on its talk page. Please revise articles on the list,

1. review them for contentious unsourced information pr WP:BLP concerns
2. add references (you may e.g. lift them from the Norwegian page, if it exists there)
3. remove the {{BLP unsourced}} template from the article.

Thanks Power.corrupts (talk) 15:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Feil with sick time..

Hi,

I was talking about reconvalescence with Anne Karin Elstad. Here is som feil about years. That mean at she wasn't sick eight years but seven.

Sincerly Margareth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Singritt (talk • contribs) 19:45, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Johan Galtung

This article needs some copy editing and a little work to reach GA. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 00:47, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Here are some keywords for improvement:

• • Too short lead section
  • Can the image be cropped? The subject is barely seen
  • Too many bulleted points
  • Is the section structure logical?
  • Inline external links without ref tags
  • Quality of the sources used?
  • Citation style
  • Too many external links (preferable number of external links: 0)

Geschichte (talk) 13:04, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Niels Torp

Hi! I started Niels Torp - If anyone wants to assist with the article, please do so. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:11, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Help with articles

Editor Hectorthebat has made several articles about roads/railways in Norway, and the articles have major MOS/cleanup issues. I don't know anything of Wikipedia's guidelines regarding roads and railways, and I think some of the stuff might need some translation, so could someone look at them? Recent examples include: Riksvei 171, Riksvei 174, Riksvei 181, Sand, Akershus, Riksvei 120 and Riksvei 22. I also put in a help request at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Transport. Thanks, PDCook (talk) 17:03, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

From my experience, all his articles need really heavy cleanup. Geschichte (talk) 17:16, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. PDCook (talk) 17:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I just haven't had the patience to adress this broader problem. Someone should ;) Geschichte (talk) 18:37, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I had a discussion with VirtualSteve about this. If there are additional concerns about this user's edits, he might want to know. PDCook (talk) 21:51, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Speed Monster's GAR

Started GAR here. GamerPro64 (talk) 16:12, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Nykirken or New Church, Bergen

We could need some input at Talk:New Church, Bergen#Recent move. Rettetast (talk) 15:05, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

The New Church. The Cross Church. What nonsense! In English, we do have a tradition of translating / misinterpreting / misspelling some proper names: Copenhagen, Moscow, The Netherlands, Norway. We have the same tradition in Norwegian: Kanariøyane. We keep those traditional ones, but we do not start new ones. Think how many Wikipedia articles would then begin with "Saint Mary ......", hundreds, maybe thousands. The change must be reverted. - Hordaland (talk) 10:53, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Like St Mary's Church, Bergen? Rettetast (talk) 21:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Store norske leksikon going down

See also the discussion on no.wiki.

According to several sources, Store norske leksikon online, in its current form, is going to be discontinued from July 2010. This is a popular lightweight online source for a variety of Norwegian topics, and a large number of our articles link to it. Does anyone have any ideas as to how to best deal with the link rot that will inevitably occur, and if possible, ensure that everything that is currently available under SNL's free license,[12] will also be available in some form in the future? decltype (talk) 00:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

We could set up a bot to harvest all links and parse them to Webcite or use already existing archived links at the Wayback machine, if they exist. If the encyclopedia is refusing web crawlers we should appeal to SNL to change this for the remaining time the encyclopedia will be online. __meco (talk) 08:50, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

It is a shame User:WebCiteBOT hasn't edited since early November. SNL allows web crawlers. I have archived several NBL entries. It may be worth adding a request to WP:BOTREQ. Rettetast (talk) 21:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs

I have started working on Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway/Unreferenced BLPs. Any help is appreciated. Rettetast (talk) 21:33, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

GAN: Ivar Hippe

The Ivar Hippe has been hold on in a while without any reviews, so i thought it would be good to post this here to buy any reviewer interest. --TIAYN (talk) 21:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Sjursøya

Article request: Sjursøya accident. Geschichte (talk) 23:01, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I've created this one today - see 2010 Sjursøya accident. Sandip90 (talk) 13:44, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Norway House, Manitoba

Hei hei. Please see Talk:Norway House, Manitoba. I'm wondering if anyone here might know anything about a party of convicts or ex-convicts hired by the Hudson's Bay Company in 1814-1817, who Canadian sources say built Norway House; any idea what prison, and why they were contracted out? Maybe there's a related item in Norewgian history? Or maybe they were Norwegian prisoners in a jail in the Orkneys or elsewhere in Scotland? I'm familiar with later Norwegian immigration to Canada, I'd never heard this before.....though come to think of it I'm unsure of when Norwegians began to come to Eastern/Maritime Canada....I know the first in British Columbia came with the gold rush of 1858-59, and from what I know of a friend's family in Labrador they're part Norwegian, several generations back....I've been meaning for quite a while to start History of Norwegian immigration to Canada and a companion piece for the US (actually a combined "to North America" article might be more viable since there was so much back-and-forth between the two countries). Norway House is a puzzle though; I'd never heard of Norwegian settlers that early in the 19th Century in Manitoba....Skookum1 (talk) 14:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Norwegian people of 1814

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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Norwegian people of 1905

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krák/kráka phrasing (and pron.) on Kragerø

Please see Talk:Kragerø.Skookum1 (talk) 04:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Snus

Luis.luque (talk) 02:36, 5 April 2010 (UTC)The article about Snus should be removed from the project Norway.

Why? Isn't it this project that decides which articles that falls under its scope? Rettetast (talk) 15:37, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Song about Ulriken

Please see Talk:Ulriken#anthem by LullySkookum1 (talk) 15:19, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Geir Borgan Paulsen - first Norwegian pro?

I think he was the first Norwegian pro bodybuilder, or the first one to rank internationally anyway. There must have been other Norwegian champions, i.e. that got pro cards, but I'm unaware of any that "made a mark" in IFBB pro shows; I wanted to add this to the article but don't have a cite for it; if it's wrong, please kibbitz/quibble. Paulsen's homepage also says he was in championship soccer, skiing and skating, but maybe that was only at an adolescent or junior or otherwise non-notable level but maybe, if an adult, he has competition records that could be cited (I've asked him for clarification directly); he was also on the 1980 Olympic weightlifting team but of course did not compete because of the boycott of the Moscow Games; not sure if there's a Norwegian national team weightlifting page.... I also made a bio for Tommi Thorvildsen; if anyone knows other ranked/notable Norwegian bodybuilders please let me know; Arild Haugen has also competed in bodybuilding but I don't know his show rankings. Skookum1 (talk) 16:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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Full user profile of Skookum1

Resolved

I have posted the following comment on Skookum1's talk page:

• I have just been looking at the WikiProject Norway pages and see that your full user profile has been copied there and is also repeated at Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway/Members. This seems to me to have occurred accidentally. If this is not the case and you wish to clarify your role in the project, I would suggest you write a short summary with a link to your user page. -- Ipigott (talk) 15:02, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

It was just a tranclusion error. I have fixed it. Rettetast (talk) 15:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I came here to fix it myself after being informed by Ipigott, thanks for fixing it!; what's a transclusion error?Skookum1 (talk) 16:12, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

English translation of place names in Svalbard

There is a number of places (particularly island and archipelagos) in Svalbard which have the article at a translated name; for instance Bear Island (Norway) (Bjørnøya), Barents Island (Barentsøya), Prince Charles Foreland (Prins Karls Forland). At first I just presumed that these were the common place names used in English, but the more sources I found, the less evidence there is that they are commonly translated into their English counterparts. So far, all the English-language sources I have found have used the "Norwegian" term; this includes Guide to Spitsbergen by Umbreit (2005), the The Norwegian Directorate for Nature Management, CIA World Factbook, the Norwegian Government, The Governor of Svalbard, the Norwegian Polar Institute's database of place names, Aftenposten, and The Times Comprehensive Atlas of the World. The only reference to the "English" name is Alistair McLean's novel: Bear Island (novel), and a mix of use at this scientific article. I tried googling both, and although there were lots of hits of "Bear Island", I saw no immediate reliable sources. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:07, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, if the untranslated names are the most common in English RSs, I see no reason why the pages shouldn't be moved. decltype (talk) 00:20, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

We have had similar discussions before. Norwegian names should be used. A translation in parentheses makes sense in many cases, but we should not re-name places or people. IMO. - Hordaland (talk) 06:45, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I didn't stop here about that (see next section), but in cases where there is a well-known English name WP:MOS I believe calls for using it; same as why Munich is to be used, not Muenchen, or Moscow vs. Moskva....the only one in the paragraph above that would qualify is Barent's Island, though I believe in English its comment name is Barent's Land....Skookum1 (talk) 04:12, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Somewhat related: is the Old Town Bridge an original research name or is it indeed referred to as such? Geschichte (talk) 07:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Seems like Old Town Bridge is a common name in English; for instance, the official tourist site of trondheim [13] uses the term 'Old Town Bridge'. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:42, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I think all this has to be taken on an item-by-item basis, as English has some versions of names for major features, but retains the Norwegian name in many others. Bergen is not The Mountain, Haugesund is not Hillsound, Jotunheimen is not Gianthome, or Sandnes "Sandy Head" (even though that's quite feasible as an English name, in fact); same as with Danish names, Købnhavn is not "market harbour", for example. Kølen, however, is quite often "the Keel" in English, for those who know about the range at all; I'd say we tend to use Spitsbergen over Svalbard and, as noted, we do have "Barent's Land" (rather than "Barent's Island" as a common historical usage; it all depends on which item and what its history/awareness is re English usage; Gøteborg (Göteborg properly in Swedish, of course, but in English it's not "Gothfort" but the German-style Gothenburg (but with English pronuncation on the "th", as in "thought"); somewhat like the Spitsbergen/Svalbard dichotomy, though the latter usage is more common nowadays, I think. As for items like the Old Town Bridge in Trondheim, I wouldn't go by what the tourist board uses; I'd go by what the Lonely Planet and Thomas Cook and Fodor's use; often hometown guides overtranslate what may be readily known already in English by the local-language name, despite considerate and earnest efforts by tourist boards to render English versions....e.g. in Paris, Pont Neuf is Pont Neuf in English, not "Bridge Nine" or "the ninth bridge"; the Champs d'Elysée is just that, not the Elysian Fields; though a guidebook might explain that. Don't overcorrect; Haukelifjell doesn't have to be "Littlehawk Plateau", Haraldshauge doesn't have to be "Harold's Hill", Bygdøy doesn't have to be "Built Island" (if that's the sense of bygd there, I wouldn't know, just a guess). What the heck does "Oslo" mean anyway (if anything)??Skookum1 (talk) 03:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposed renaming of category hierarchy

See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 April 16#Norwegian local politicians by county. __meco (talk) 12:50, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Norway Russia border dispute settled

Our coverage of this border dispute is deplorable. I think it was mentioned in one sentence in Norway–Russia relations which was expanded today with another sentence briefly mentioning today's historic resolution. There are several articles on the Bokmål Wikipedia on this. __meco (talk) 14:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons

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Diamanten photo request

Would someone mind photographing Diamanten in Fornebu, Norway? (Wikipedians in Oslo should be in proximity) WhisperToMe (talk) 09:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Request forwarded to Norwegian Wikipedia. =) lil2mas (talk) 09:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for doing that :) WhisperToMe (talk) 10:05, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll hopefully remember to bring a camera and stop by some time later this week. Regards, --Kjetil_r 10:13, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you in advance :) WhisperToMe (talk) 10:34, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

BTW the Scandinavian Airlines website says that the airline's Norway offices are at "SAS Head Office NO-1330 Fornebu" - But is this a different building? Is this locatable on a map? Or is this referring to Diamenten and is now no longer occupied by SAS? WhisperToMe (talk) 10:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

According to gulesider, SAS is located at "Fornebuveien 40, 1366 Lysaker". Arsenikk ^(talk) 10:53, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

That's here, basically just across the street from Diamanten. I'll stop by the SAS Norway HQ as well for some photos. --Kjetil_r 11:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you in advance :) WhisperToMe (talk) 12:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Uploaded into commons:Category:Diamanten, Fornebu and commons:Category:SAS Norway HQ. Regards, --Kjetil_r 21:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I will proceed to put those images in the articles about their subjects! WhisperToMe (talk) 15:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Task forces

Does WP Norway have any task forces? Kingjeff (talk) 14:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

No, and they are not likely to appear any time soon either. The activity of this project isn't that great. __meco (talk) 15:37, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Norwegian local politicians by county CFD

Hello, there is currently a rename proposal over at WP:CFD for the categories of Norwegian local politicians and would like to invite members of this WikiProject to the discussion, which can be found here. Thank you. — ξ^xplicit 23:24, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Raspeballar

We need a good photo of a dinner plate with raspeballar og det som hører til. The only one I found on Norwegian Wikipedia has slimey green raspeballar -- enough so to kill anyone's appetite. Can someone please upload to Commons a better picture? Thanks. --Hordaland (talk) 13:26, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Relevant AFD discussion

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kaja Bordevich Ballo. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 00:44, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Replacing "infobox kommune" with "infobox settlement"?

Where is the consensus for changes such as this? The generic "settlement" template does not show the county and the municipality's location within it (instead it just puts a pin on a large map) or the official language form. Perhaps these templates could be merged together? Hayden120 (talk) 00:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It does not look like just an infobox replacement, but a (partial) change in the focus of the article from municipality to urban area. Unfortunately, that makes the article different from other municipalities sharing name with their administrative center. I can see that other big towns also use the settlement template. Perhaps someone feel that the urban area is more important than the municipality it is in.

It does not seem right to me to merge the two if that means making infobox kommune a type of infobox settlement, as a Norwegian municipality (kommune) is not a settlement, but possibly several. Ters (talk) 04:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I was hoping a merger would be the best compromise, but perhaps not. Should we restore "kommune"? I'm not sure how widespread the "settlement" changes are, but Oslo, Bergen and Stavanger were all changed fairly recently. Hayden120 (talk) 04:54, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

CFD nomination

You may be interested in voicing your opinion at current CFD nomination, as it also concerns Category:Cities and towns in Norway. - Darwinek (talk) 11:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Category:Historic Farms of Norway

I suspect this should be renamed to Category:Former farms in Norway, Category:Historic farms in Norway or Category:Abandoned farms in Norway, but I would like the input of someone more who may have specialist knowledge. Is "Historic Farm" an official designation? I know in Norway, the definition of "farm" is broader than in most English-language countries; does that make a difference to the type of article that should be found in this category? Some help with this would be appreciated! TheGrappler (talk) 01:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't feel that the title is wrong, except for capitalization. Former or Abandoned would be wrong. It's true that gård or gard includes more than farm does -- it can be a building such as a manor including its grounds. Can also be a traditional farm or collection of farms. Some, but not all, are museums. - Hordaland (talk) 05:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, this is what I suspected. Is it actually worth saying "gard" or "gård" rather than "farm"? Or is there a better translation? To native English-speakers, it looks very odd to call these things "farms", even though the Norwegian concept is broader. TheGrappler (talk) 23:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hans Petter Sjøli

I recently declined a speedy for Hans Petter Sjøli. The article is currently BLP-PRODded, so it'll be gone in a few days unless anyone here wants to work a little on it. decltype (talk) 21:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Saved by Vejvančický (talk · contribs). decltype (talk) 13:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Spit(s/z)bergen

An RFC of the spelling of Spitsbergen is taking place here. An issue with the lede of the Spitsbergen article is also subject to an RFC here. Comments welcome on both. Mjroots (talk) 11:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Fridtjof Nansen

For some weeks now I have been expanding the Nansen article and will shortly be putting the finishing touches. Memnbers of WikiProject Norway are welcome to leave any comments on the article's talkpage. Brianboulton (talk) 18:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

List of Norwegian battles

The List of Norwegian battles was created some time ago, but is still an orphan stub. It could use some work itself, but also contains too many redd links to important Norweian battles needing an article. Hope someone takes the challenge :) Inge (talk) 18:09, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Popular pages stats request

I've made a request for this project to get its own entry in Category:Lists of popular pages by WikiProject. Once created, it will be available at Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway/Popular pages. I've currently asked for it to include 500 pages, but if anyone believe it should contain more, you can edit the request here. The edit key is f4981e5. lil2mas (talk) 14:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedians attending the Oslo Book Festival

A number of Norwegian wikipedians are attending the Oslo Book Festival (http://www.oslobokfestival.no/), September 17 – September 19. We will there promote the various Wikimedia projects, as well as recruit members to Wikimedia Norway. We'll bring laptops and show live demos of editing, hand out printed copies of (Norwegian) featured articles, and generally talk to visitors about how they can participate and show their support. We welcome all Wikipedia editors to join us, please see this page for more information (in Norwegian). Regards, --Kjetil_r 10:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Project main page looks messy

Perhaps someone coulld give it some attention? __meco (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Mortiis and Torbjørn Jagland

I have reported these two articles at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard:

• Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Mortiis
• Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Thorbjørn Jagland

__meco (talk) 16:28, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Norway articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release

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Trygve Haavelmo

This article has now been replaced by a copyvio banner. If someone has some spare time on their hands to assist in sorting out the problem, that would be great. __meco (talk) 17:12, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Years in Norway

Should the Years in Norway articles including less significant information such as ALL winners of local reality shows, establishment dates of ALL Norwegian bands (including minor bands), etc? Please express your opinion here. TheCuriousGnome (talk) 18:47, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Speed Skating

I figure since Norway performs well at Speed skating, that there might be editors here interested in a WikiProject for the sport. If there are any, I created a proposal where you can vote to support or oppose the creation of such a project! See it here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Speed Skating. Forgive me if this is inappropriate! Cheers, oncamera^(t) 04:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Really strange categories

Does anyone but me think that there categories are ridiculous? What about the Royal Norwegian Society of Sciences and Letters, should they have categories for 1760, 70s, 80s, 90s, 1800s, 10s, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 1900s, 10s, 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s? Geschichte (talk) 07:11, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, I agree that some modification may be called for, and I was expecting some comments. With respect to the Communist Party of Norway I find it quite appropriate that article should have all those categories. If you can get over your consternation at seeing so many categories added to one and the same article, hopefully you will realize that these categories, when better populated, are going to provide most useful information on the goings on in the country every decade. Today our encyclopedia really gives no such overview, despite the fact that all the necessary information is contained within our articles. The modification I however would think positively of is applicable for the Royal Norwegian Society of Sciences and Letters and for the already categorized Norwegian Labour Party. Instead of having ten categories for every decade of the 20th century I would concede that it might be a better choice to replace them with the singular Category:20th century in Norwegian society. __meco (talk) 07:25, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

A category should be a defining aspect of the article. The fact that it is a Norwegian political part, a party established in 1923, a Comintern section etc. are all defining aspects of the Communist Party. The fact that the party happened to exist during any given decade is not a defining aspect of the article. This is contrary to the whole way we categorize things on this project. If you want to explain how the party influenced Norwegian society in, say, the 1930s, I would recommend either working on History of the Communist Party of Norway, or Politics of Norway during the 1930s. Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Your assertion that categories should be limited to defining aspects of the subject may once have been the norm, but if you look at the way categories are developed across Wikipedia you will see that this is far from the only case in current practice. Now, I created this hierarchy because, as I explained above, looking at any one of these category pages, once they are more fully populated than at present, one will be able to get an impression of some trends of that particular decade which one could hardly find otherwise, of course pending the creation of prose articles like 1920s in Norwegian society. In fact, I hope that they could incite and facilitate the spawning of such articles which would take the encyclopedia one step further from where it is today by braiding existing articles into a general narrative of regions and epochs that would be seemless and exhaustive. The two would-be articles which you suggest are fine and I would support their creation as well, but I think that a more general focus, such as developed by this category hierarchy should be appreciated also. Let me remind you and others that I initiated the years in Norway hierarchy (see 2010 in Norway) so that we would be able to have a general overview of each year of our history, not just the spectacular ones. I also encourage fellow participants to Wikipedia in general to broaden their perspectives of what Wikipedia can become, and not unnecessarily limit their perspectives by what is and what has been or what is traditional. __meco (talk) 14:17, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

A suggestion

I realize that my creating an edifice for a category hierarchy such as this one is rather drastic. One reason I did it without consulting anyone was that from my considerable experience in dealing with (including creating) similar wide-ranging hierarchies, people need to see what they look like before they are able to make a rational opinion about their viability and usefulness – otherwise very many people are just going to reject it offhand, partly because they don't see all the areas of practical usefulness as I do or simply because they don't get the hang of it ("I don't understand what this is about, so it must be a stupid idea").

If at any time someone makes up their mind that this is a really bad idea that there's no justification for trying on for size, a successful CfD umbrella nomination will swiftly and (relatively) uncomplicatedly restore all articles to their original state while the categories themselves get deleted.

Now to my suggestion. Or an idea, more like it. As the number of categories from this scheme added to one single article could become considerable, it would also by many be considered obtrusive. I conceived a thought in bed last night that perhaps could remedy that by making these hidden categories and instead supply each of the articles with a well-designed, discreet navbox at the bottom of the page, perhaps of the size of the {{wiktionary}} box, perhaps even using a graphical bar of ten seamless and consecutive segments to mark each century (I'm no graphical artist so I'm just presenting raw ideas here).

I would be content to do the work of setting up this hierarchy with requisite connecting categories to interface with existing structures as well as creating navigational templates for the hierarchy (similar to what is used at Category:1990s in Norway) as well as populate the categories, that is unless others would want to pitch in also.

I'll appreciate continuing feedback on this initiative. In the meantime I'll continue tweaking and fiddling with these and other category structures that I am currently working on. __meco (talk) 11:54, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

I seem to be at an impasse when it comes to developing this structure. I think the concept of society is a bit cumbersome. I will probably nominate these categories for deletion myself. Instead I may explore the developing of more topic specific hierarchies, such as politics, sports, arts, literature, music, etc. __meco (talk) 15:09, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Translation problem

How to translate the word "knot" in the phrase "det kohtske knot"? Geschichte (talk) 13:04, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Context? Is about language? --Hordaland (talk) 23:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, a derogatory term for the language form created by the reform of 1938. Geschichte (talk) 08:16, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

You're not likely able to keep the nice alliteration. The word 'muddle' comes to mind. The muddled language reform of '38? Hordaland (talk) 15:54, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Belgica

The RV Belgica (1884) article has been created. It is short on details of the arctic expeditions of 1905 and 1907-09. Are any members of this WP able to expand the "later history" section of the article. There must be books on the subject of the expeditions that could be used. Mjroots (talk) 14:17, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Kammerlader - feature article review

I have nominated Kammerlader for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. 16:17, 6 June 2009 Tpbradbury

Should the Norwegian Ministry articles be named "Ministry of Finance (Norway)" or "Norwegian Ministry of Finance"?

An important question regarding the Norwegian ministry articles. Arsenikk told me that i was a bit hasty when it came to move the "Norwegian Ministry of (something)" articles to Ministry of Something (Norway)".. Most ministry articles here on wiki follow the Ministry of something (country), should the Norwegian ministries follow this model or should we have the "Norwgian Ministry of something" instead? --TIAYN (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm for standardization since government ministries names are very generic from one nation to the next. __meco (talk) 18:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (government and legislation) states clearly that the preferred naming is Ministry of Foo (Jurisdiction). However, if the Government of Norway operations with an official name of their ministries which differ from this, then we should use that official name instead. Back years ago when the articles were written, the official names seems to be Royal Norwegian Ministry of Foo, but this no longer seems to be the case, at least not according to Government.no. I have not been able to find anything conclusive either way, but there seems to have been a recent renaming of the ministry of Det kongelige foodepartement to Foodepartemetnet [14] and [15], similarly in English [16]. I have a feeling TIAYN's move was correct, but a broader look is needed in case something has been overlooked. Arsenikk ^(talk) 22:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I do not think it is necessary to use these official names. Names of government ministries are still very generic despite being given names containing "Royal" or what not. My opinion is that we should go by the our naming conventions, still the official English name could lead the article in bold script. __meco (talk) 09:08, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Holmenkollen

"Zoning plans are scheduled to be approved by the Oslo City Council on 18 July 2008." Article needs some work; information is dated. --Hordaland (talk) 00:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject Norway to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Norway/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 00:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing

I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 21:24, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

East End and West End of Oslo

I see that the article East End and West End of Oslo, which I translated from the Swedish translation of the Norwegian original, has been assessed as C-class. The original Norwegian article has Featured Article status, and the Swedish translation has Good Article status. Are the quality standards on the English Wikipedia that much higher? JIP | Talk 09:59, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

TL,DR, but I read and cleaned up a tad the first two segments. I don't know if it is the slightly translated quality of the language which keeps the article at C-class, or not. For example the word "villa" (and "villa areas") appears many times; I don't think it's very common in English. Looks like a B to me. --Hordaland (talk) 11:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The quality standards are a lot higher on the English Wikipedia than at least the Norwegian. For instance, the standards for a good article on en.wp is higher than the standards for featured articles on no.wp. If I reviewed the Norwegian article at WP:GAN, I would quick-fail it for lack of referencing. This is one of the reasons I do virtually nothing on no.wp. The article has some of the elements of B, but lacks substantial referencing, could do with a copyedit and some wikilinks, but it seems to be complete. Seems like a border-line case to me. Arsenikk ^(talk) 11:33, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

It's funny how different Wikipedia communities have differing views quality standards. Most no.wiki editors seem to agree that GA standards in no.wiki are way higher than in en.wiki, and many English GAs would certainly fail a no.wiki GA review (getting "citation hysteria" type comments, and being way too short). Your point about referencing is of course valid — no.wiki (unfortunately) hasn't even got a universally agreed on equivalent of the Wikipedia:Citing sources guideline, for example — as the no.wiki community (as many other Wikipedia communities) put a lot less emphasis on inline citations. I am personally in favor of getting closer to the en.wiki citation standards, but statements like "standards for a good article on en.wp is higher than the standards for featured articles on no.wp" are IMHO misguided and en.wiki-centric — there is a lot more to quality than simply counting references. Regards, --Kjetil_r 15:22, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Interesting comment. As I am little experienced with no.wp's internal processes, and very curious as a frequent GA reviewer, do you mind giving some examples of areas where you feel the Norwegian GAs have higher standards than on en.wp. Looking at the Norwegian article only, and disregarding the referencing issue, I would agree that it would meet en.wp's GA standards, but it is not at FA. For instance, much of the content is in parenthesis, there are single-sentence paragraphs, and text is being sandwiched by two images, to take some issues which would be raised immediately at FAC. Arsenikk ^(talk) 23:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Looking at the article in question, I see a number of "opinion statements", rhetorical questions and the like; to me, the fact that such things are common and accepted even in FAs and GAs on the Norwegian Wikipedia is one of the primary reasons for why I consider the Norwegian Wikipedia to be of inferior quality to the English Wikipedia. An example of this is "Will these apartments strengthen the east-west distinction?". The article needs substantial enwp-ization before it can achieve GA status. --Aqwis (talk) 23:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you for useful comments. I have tried to make use of them in some alteration of the article yesterday and today. A passage on gentrification in the inner east was relevant in this article, but could easily be judged controversial (there is a ongoing debate about the subject), so I have cut it and will rather see it in a future article on gentrification in Oslo.
• When it comes to sources and reference, I need enlightenment: As far as I can read Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources, they demand references specially when adding or restoring material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, when quoting someone and when writing about living persons. In the article we discuss here the majority of paragraphs has intern references / notes, and the text is not challenged. How, more specifically, does it not meet the guidelines?

WP:Verifiability says that "this policy requires that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged be attributed to a reliable, published source". In practice, this means that all material that can be challenged should be cited, not just material that has actually been challenged by someone posting the talk page or otherwise. Feel free to take a look at other GAs and FAs to get a general idea of how many citations such an article is expected to have. Furthermore, everything should be verifiable by a non-expert on the topic, which means that he should be able to verify the material in a cited book/webpage/otherwise. That a statement does not require a citation because it's "obvious" to a knowledgable person may be true on the Norwegian Wikipedia, but it is certainly not true on the English Wikipedia. --Aqwis (talk) 19:01, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• After another round ore two with comments and improving I would like to ask for a Good Article-assessment. Helge Høifødt (talk) 16:00, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

• The main problem of the article is neither unsatisfactoraly referencing or bad language, (of which both are prevalent) but rather POV, I would say. The section East End and West End of Oslo#Reasons for the division between the East End and the West End reads more or less like a Marxist propaganda pamphlet, with sentences like: The well-off bourgeois already belonged to the part of the city that became the West End and The bourgeois expressed a stronger desire to live away from the workers in the 19th century than they had done earlier. I can't even imagine how an editor can believe that "bourgeois" is a neutral expression that belongs anywhere in an encyclopedia. Furtheron, the article continues with weasel-sentences like The high rate of child poverty in Oslo is mostly an effect of the large immigration to the city and the immigrants' problems to establish themselves in the job market and receive enough income to support large families. and The old domination of the Labour Party and the Conservative Party is almost gone. The article seems to propose a main thesis: That the petty bourgeois class of the West End live their wealthy lives at the expence of the poor working class in the East. This article isn't anywhere near FA or GA-class, but rather—as earlier mentioned by another user in this discussion—near B- or C-class. And I agree with Kjetil, the GA criteria on nowp is different, not of lower standard than on enwp. Nowp seems to value the length of the article over its referencing, and there are plenty of examples where FA's on enwp wouldn't have met the criteria of even GA at nowp. For instance, I'd doubt that Thomas Percy (Gunpowder Plot), Wood Siding railway station and George Koval would have become FA's at nowp and equally that nowp articles like no:Hølen and no:Berlins historie would have become FA or even GA here at enwp. Eisfbnore ^talk 10:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Possible expansion of the Years in Norway hierarchy

I'm just posting a couple of odd pages here for inspiration as to ways of expanding this hierarchy:

• 2009 in Australian literature
• 1956 in Fine Arts of the Soviet Union

The second one may be rather "out there", but at least the first one would conceivable work even for us. Or how about a collaboration: 2009 in Nordic literature? __meco (talk) 07:56, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hallvardskatedralen - we lack an article

I am very surprised to find that the en: wikipedia lacks an article on this important coronation church. (The only other version with an article is the Spanish Wikipedia.) I would translate a quick stub from the no: wikipedia myself, but my Norwegian is lamentable, so probably better if someone competent does it. Cheers. --Mais oui! (talk) 04:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Note that one can search on Hallvards Cathedral and one is redirected to Oslo Cathedral where "Hallvards Cathedral" is mentioned thrice in the History section. That spelling is neither English nor Norwegian. "Hallvards Cathedral" is also mentioned once in Old Bishop's Palace in Oslo. It likely does rate its own article, which then should be named Hallvardskatedralen in Norwegian or (preferably, I think) Hallvard's Cathedral in English. --Hordaland (talk) 09:53, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

This article - Hallvard Vebjørnsson - refer's to the church as "Hallvard's Cathedral (Hallvardskatedralen)". It was when I was reading that article I realised that en: lacked an article. --Mais oui! (talk) 14:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Winter of 2010–2011 in Europe

I encourage this WikiProject to help update that article with regional data and incidents. Winter of 2009–2010 in Europe#Norway isn't much to brag about, so let's try and be a bit proactive for the current season of anomalous winter weather. __meco (talk) 15:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Local government articles

We have separates articles on Akershus and Akershus County Municipality, but we don't have this separation when it comes to municipalities. Even Oslo has everything about the city, including local government conflated into one article. I don't like this. Is everyone else happy about the current state of affairs? __meco (talk) 15:25, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm not. As far as I see, there are four things that need to be distinguished:

• The municipality as a geographic area
• For some municipalities, the community center with the same name as the municipality
• For a limited number of places, the urban area that spans beyond the border of the municipality
• The municipality as a legal and political entity

Currently, we have a different convention for Sweden. For instance, there are two different articles from Sandviken (the town) and Sandviken Municipality. To be a bit blunt, here are a few suggestions:

• For some cities and other geographically small municipalities, the town/city = the municipality, e.g. Bergen, Trondheim, Stavanger. So there is no need for a split, however, this is just the sort of place where there would be a lot of information about the legal/political body.
• Some large places need Greater Foo articles (e.g. Bergen, Oslo, Trondheim, Stavanger) in addition to one on the city proper.
• Some places are only known as municipalities, i.e. there is no settlement with the municipalities name, such as Nedre Eiker, Inderøy, Askøy and Verdal.
• Some places need two articles, one for the town and one for the municipality. Following the Swedish mode, we get Steinkjer and Steinkjer Municipality; Lillehammer and Lillehammer Municipality; and Halden and Halden Municipality.

Not quite sure what to do with meco's suggestion in this. Perhaps we could merge the political/legal information into the municipality articles. Arsenikk ^(talk) 15:54, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

How about the following:

• Municipalities, as a geographic area, retain their current naming (e.g. Steinkjer).
• Municipal centers receive their own article, disambiguated with either (village) or (town), the latter used where it has bystatus. E.g. Steinkjer (town) and Mosvik (village).
• Municipalities, as a organization and political entity, are created as Foo Municipality, e.g. Oslo Municipality. This is consistent with the naming of county municipalities, such as Akershus County Municipality.
• Cities where the urban area make up a large part of the municipality (such as Oslo, Bergen, Trondheim), the single article covers both the city and the municipality, e.g. Oslo.

This breaks with the Swedish convention, but is logical, yet accurate. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:31, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

This looks good and viable to me. shall we wait and get some more support (or comments) for this, then we could start planning how this will be done in practice. __meco (talk) 22:15, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

It is logical and accurate, but will cause a lot of duplication, or leave some articles very small with maybe just a sentence or two. When municipalities share their name with their centers, the history of the municipality seems to me to be very much tied to the history of its main settlement. Which topics belong in which article? And what about former municipalities? Should they be split too, or should the articles be merged once a municipality no longer exists? Ters (talk) 22:28, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I was hoping that with this we could finally begin to cover some actual politics beyond giving the names of politicians. That would be breaking new ground. I have no idea how feasible this will be, but that would cause content to be created which today simply does not exist in our articles. __meco (talk) 22:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Such information would be most welcome, but I think it's best to delay spliting the municipality articles until there is enough material for each (or most of) the resulting articles. I suspect that only the major towns and cities, and peharps a few other municipalities will get much text beyond a list of mayors or perhaps some automatically generated election statistics. Another thought: Some municipalities are named after historic regions that may have covered a larger, smaller or just different area than the municipality. This would mean an article about the historic region, an article about the administrative subdivision as an organization and an article about a geographic area that is just the region under the control of that organization. Ters (talk) 08:11, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking that simply choosing the name Oslo Municipality will not be sufficient to emphasize the focus on coverage of local legislative work and party political maneuvers. Also, we should either be hoping for some new editors with the right expertise or we should figure out where to go for historical discussions and references that would enable us to write such politics articles. __meco (talk) 22:52, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

If the purpose of these articles is to focus solely on the political aspects of the municipality, then maybe the soloution used for countries is more suited. That would mean that politics end up in articles named "Politics of x" or "Politics of x Municipality". Oslo has forked off several articles of that kind, though not about politics. Ters (talk) 08:11, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that we in common language use the term 'municipality' (kommune) interchangeably for a geographic area and a local branch of government. Currently all articles cover the geographic areas. What we also need is an article about the municipalities as an organization. Such an article would include information about the operative branches (schools, health care, inter-municipal cooperation, etc.) as well as information about politics and the historical development of the organization. Politics would make up a substantial part, but still not be the main focus of the article, so I feel naming 'Politics of Foo' would be off course. Arsenikk ^(talk) 11:01, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Since the geographic area is only defined by being under the jurisdiction of said organization, splitting the two makes little sense to me. Municipalities are however ofter named after some historic geographic feature, larger or smaller than the municipality, which might deserve its own article if there is enough to write about it, but that is something different from the municipality even if they are related. This might be more apparent with municipalities that have been merged or split. Ters (talk) 14:24, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Black Friday (1945) FAC needs further comments

The featured article candidacy for the Black Friday (1945) article (which I nominated and which covers an Allied air raid on German shipping in Norway) hasn't recieved any comments for over a week. Any comments and votes (including opposes, of course) would be appreciated at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Black Friday (1945)/archive1. Thanks, Nick-D (talk) 10:26, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Suggestions for new articles on current Norwegian society topics

A newly registered user has made some posts on my talk page suggesting articles be written, i.e. Veterans of Norwegian military operations and Warrior culture of Norwegian soldiers. Please check out User talk:Meco#Norwegian veterans and the subsequent section too. __meco (talk) 13:49, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Lauer

The article Lauer has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

A search for references did not find support for this article content, unreferenced in other langauges. Fails WP:N and WP:V

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Placed reference covering some of the information. That it is an island in Hvaler municipality is now confirmed. Helge Høifødt (talk) 11:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Einar Gerhardsen

Would there be anyone interested in helping me develop the Einar Gerhardsen, the first post-war Prime Minister of Norway, article? I have access to all of Gerhardsen's memoirs (which are now all out of print) and one biography written about him. Again, would anyone of you be interested in working with me to develop the Gerhardsen article? --TIAYN (talk) 08:55, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

FLRC

I have nominated List of former municipalities of Norway for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Arsenikk ^(talk) 12:53, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Musical groups by location

I just came across Category:Musical groups from Jacksonville, Florida. Perhaps we should expand and diffuse the current categorization of Norwegian musical groups a bit? __meco (talk) 21:20, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

And I also came across a more developed hierarchy, Category:Musical groups by city in Canada. __meco (talk) 21:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

template:RNoAF Squadron

{{RNoAF Squadron}} has been nominated for deletion. 65.93.14.196 (talk) 06:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Category:People by district in Norway

Category:People by district in Norway was just created and has thus far been populated with two sub-categories. What immediately troubles me about these categories is that they are being inserted between municipalities and counties. That isn't good, is it? __meco (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Sometimes people are associated, or associate themselves, more with districts than with municipalities and counties. I guess districts are more suitable to indicate that a person belongs to a certain sub-national culture. Such an association should be verified by sources, preferably sources with a focus on that persons association with a district. It may happen that a journalist mentions in passing that a person comes from a certain district without implying that this is significant. Districts are also not strictly an intermediate level between counties and municipalities, as districts don't necessarily follow the borders of either. This is also a reason why I think district association should be sourced explicitly. Ters (talk) 06:38, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Sources about people's feelings about belonging to a district? Unrealistic. Won't happen. I created People from Valdres back in the day when we didn't have categories for rural municipalities - it should be deleted now. Geschichte (talk) 10:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian districts are comparable with, for instance, Spanish comarcas, many of which have categories. Note that in most cases the area of a given district is very precisely defined: Valdres, for instance, consists of the following municipalities: Nord-Aurdal, Sør-Aurdal, Øystre Slidre, Vestre Slidre, Vang and Etnedal. In cases like this there is no controversy about whether a given municipality belongs to a given district or not. And if a district with a precisely defined area fits entirely within a county (for instance, the entire territory of Valdres belongs to Oppland), I don't see what the problem is. On the other hand, if we have a case where a district consists of municipalities in two differents counties, it obviously can't be used as an intermediate category. Monegasque (talk) 11:21, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Besides, the idea is to use the district category merely as a container category. As all Norwegian municipalities will no doubt soon have a category of their own, the text which one will see at the end of a given article will be "People from [Municipality/City], not "People from [District]" or "People from [County]". The district or county categories will be used in the article only in cases in which the municipality or city cannot be determined. These cases will be very few. At present, there are no articles about persons in the district categories. This means that they now function strictly as container categories. Monegasque (talk) 12:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm no expert om districts, but many districts I relate to either encompasses parts of municipalities or crosses county borders. These are Glåmdal (not a traditional district, but has become more important), Vinger and Solør. The latter two divide Kongsvinger municipality according to old municipality borders. There are also varying views about what falls within the district of Ringerike, two of which are mentioned in the article. Finnskogen may not fall within this definition of district, but is also an important geographic region people are associated with. Recently, a Norwegian television show explored a celebrity's roots in that region, not his roots in a particular municipality (it's name was only mentioned in briefly). It is also not difficult to find sources about what people feel about belonging to a district if they really feel attached to that district. There will be interviews about it, or mentions in biographies. It may be more difficult finding good definitions of where district boundaries go today, but that goes beyond just the categories. Ters (talk) 05:46, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Photo request

Hi! For those of you in Bodø, I have a photo request:

• Widerøe headquarters - Langstranda 6 P.O Box 247 8001 Bodø Norway

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 23:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

AfD of Norwegian diaspora

I have nominated the article Norwegian diaspora for deletion - the article is a list that synthesises various sources that use the notion of "norwegian" in incompatible ways either as citizen or as a person claiming to have Norwegian ancestors - this creates a false number of how many Norwegians are living outside of Norway and an image of an actual Diasporic community that is not supported by any sources. Please comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norwegian diaspora.·Maunus·ƛ· 16:13, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Whaling in Norway

Deleted sevral poorly cited claims in the opposition section. Whale song, whale-poo that fight global warming and cells in whales that match human cells. Within these claims there were also sevral other claims about barbarism and opposition to whaling from counties that were not quoted from anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truls86 (talk • contribs) 02:38, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Ferking?

Hi there guys. I've been trying to verify the material we have at Ferking and Ferkingstad, and I'd appreciate any help I can get. Those two articles, and some related information in Augvald and Karmøy, were all added in 2007 by an editor who doesn't seem to have communicated their sources very well. The only sources listed in the two articles are either not reliable or not verifiable, Google web search results only show unreliable sources or copies of Wikipedia, and neither Google Scholar nor Google Books seem to know anything about either the person or the village. You would expect the village, at least, to have some web footprint even if not in English. Basically, does anyone have any sources to verify that the subjects of these articles actually existed? I am far from an expert on Norwegian topics and do not want to jump right to calling them hoaxes, but I can't find anything verifiable at all. Any assistance is appreciated. — Gavia immer (talk) 23:14, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

By clicking on the coordinates in the article, I was able to find Ferkingstad in Google Maps so the village is no certainly verifiable, though not necessarily notable. I also found a few more web pages about the legendary king in Norwegian, but none provide anything beyond the references already added to the article. I guess better sources for this must be found offline, not online. Ters (talk) 05:54, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Naming discussion at Norwegian diaspora

There is an ongoing discussion at Talk:Norwegian diaspora#Renaming about a proposal to rename the entry. I'm notifying this Wikiproject since the entry is a part of it.Griswaldo (talk) 18:33, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Scandinavian diaspora

For your information, Scandinavian diaspora has been nominated for deletion. 65.93.12.101 (talk) 04:32, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

"Was established as a municipality"

Currently, the majority of articles on places in Norway that also happen to be a municipality contain the following text in the lead section: "[place name] was established as a municipality on 1 January 1838 (see formannskapsdistrikt)". I find this to be a bit misleading, as that date refers to the creation of the system of municipalities (previously, Norway was instead administratively divided into parishes). However, the current text can make it sound like the settlements in question were established in 1838.

For example, the article Tønsberg says in the second paragraph of the lead: "The city of Tønsberg was established as a municipality on 1 January 1838". This makes it sound like Tønsberg was founded in 1838, when it has in fact been a city since the Viking ages, with full trading rights as a city for many hundred years prior to 1838.

I believe that this information, related to a technicality about the organisation of administrative districts of Norway, should not be so prominent in the lead section of every article on a municipality. Instead, this fact should be explained on the Municipalities of Norway page, or alternatively, mentioned in a paragraph about the area's history, instead of in the lead. Theis101 (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

I think I mostly agree, but for municipalities it is nice to mention how far back it is dated. While Tønsberg as a "city" dates back to the time of the vikings, the administrative unit which is the basis for the modern municipality is probably not as old. There is also at least one case where the municipality is older than its namesake and administrative center, through a split and remerging. Maybe one could change the text to read "The modern municipality was formed on the basis of [place name] parish (or whatever) on 1 January 1838"? But for Tønsberg, 871 should be mentioned at least briefly before this. Ters (talk) 15:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

TFD:Former possessions of Norway

Template:Former possessions of Norway is being considered for deletion. See templates for discussion to help reach a consensus. Ben MacDui 12:48, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Help needed please

I need help over at no:Mal:Flagg/Storbritannia please. The flags for the civil and naval ensigns need to be added. I've tried my best to code these, but it's not working for me. Template:Country data United Kingdom will show what I am trying to achieve. Suggest alternative names of civil and naval are used. I've already coded the no:FLK «Maudie» page with the flag, but it is showing as the Union Flag and not the Red Ensign. Thanks in advance, Mjroots (talk) 10:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps try no:Wikipedia:Torget? You can write in English there. --Eisfbnore ^talk 17:48, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Reference library

Hey all. I see that WP:JA has a reference library where editors of the project have listed books they have in their disposition, so that other editors can have "access" to them. Could this be an idea for us as well? --Eisfbnore ^talk 03:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

If other people want this, go ahead. I don't know if I'm quite comfortable publishing a list of book I own on the Internet. I don't mind people asking me to look up stuff in books I have previously used as references, but the majority of books I use I've borrowed from the library. The larger universities have a good number of books in the vaults, and the public libraries allow books to be exchanged between them through Samsøk. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:31, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Translation help needed

How am I supposed to translate "høyere almenskole" into English? --Eisfbnore ^talk 08:39, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Secondary school is probably close enough. Arsenikk ^(talk) 19:24, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Eisfbnore ^talk 19:27, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

P.S: What do you think of my suggestion above? :) Eisfbnore ^talk 19:28, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Diacritics RfC

Discussion is underway regarding the use of diacritics in proper nouns from languages such as Norwegian. Comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC. Prolog (talk) 19:22, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Svein, King of Norway

There is a dicussion of this man's status as King and his article title at Talk:Svein, King of Norway. If interested please join in the discussion.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 04:49, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Rail accidents

Hi folks, I was thinking of creating a naming standard for railway accidents in Norway. Any suggestions? Right now, the articles in Category:Railway accidents in Norway are using completely different names; some have '*year* *place* *accident*', some '*month* *year* *accident*', whilst the majority have '*place* train *disaster/crash*'. I would appreciate any ideas on how we can standardise this. --Eisfbnore ^talk 20:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

To which degree have English names been established for these accidents? Or is it up to Wikipedia to come up with names? Ters (talk) 21:24, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

• (EC) Using month is a little unnecessary, IMO. Using year is not that common, but in the case of Hallingskeid there has been several fires. Other than that it might not be necessary. Then there's the point of describing what the accident was like: derailment/crash/fire vs addicent/disaster. I'm more inclined to the former. But several things might happen at once; derailment because of crash (somewhat common in older tram junctions), crash plus fire, etc. Geschichte (talk) 21:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

A naming standard could apply to other fields. In aviation accidents, we have some with "Flight xxx", and some with cryptic names like Bukken Bruse disaster and Havørn Accident. Geschichte (talk) 21:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

As for aviation accidents, there was a similar discussion on the Norwegian Bokmål Wikipedia recently, except it was the other way around in almost every respect. I think the conclusion was to use well known names like Havørn Accident in preference to cryptic names like Flight XXXX, if possible. Shows the differences between Norwegian and English when it comes to naming accidents. Ters (talk) 22:15, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

There is consensus at WikiProject Aviation to use the flight numbers, even when the accident may be more known by other names, because it avoids discussions like this. Although all trains have numbers, I don't think that is a good solution here (particularly in head-on collisions, as there are two involved trains). In Norwegian, nearly all are known as Foo-ulykken (Hjuksebø-ulykken, Åsta-ulykken, etc). My dictionary translates ulykke to accident and not to disaster; as far as I can tell, place and accident will be sufficiently unambiguous. Fires are fires, and normally referred to as brannen or similar in Norwegian. Years are necessary only if there have been multiple accidents at the same place. 06:24, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Arsenikk; I'll move the ones with excessive disambiguators. --Eisfbnore ^talk 11:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Nordic Feminist University

I cannot see that "Nordic Feminist University" is a legit English translation of the institution in question. Geschichte (talk) 18:05, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Kvinneuniversitetet is using Women’s University as an English translation of the name of the institution. Se the In English section of http://www.kvinneuniversitetet.no/.Carpalim (talk) 20:19, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

The owners of the domain http://www.kvinneuniversitetet.no are not affiliated with this institution (see [17] for an overview of various institutions with similar names). Feminist university is the common English translation of kvinneuniversitet. The translation "women's university" is rather misleading, it's not a women's college or a university for women as that term would generally imply in the English-speaking world, but rather an institution focusing on feminist studies ("kvinneforskning" in Norwegian). One of the other feminist universities, Kvinneuniversitetet Nord, used the translation "Northern Feminist University"[18]. Feminist university is the term used by the founder of the first such institution and co-founder of this one, Berit Ås (B. Ås, "The Feminist University." Women's studies international quarterly no. 4 1985). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toriland (talk • contribs) 18:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)