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For the first time in her life, death knew what it felt like to have a dog in her lap.

(Previous quotes)

It is now generally accepted that the megaliths that make up Stonehenge were moved by human effort.

— as opposed to by what?

Anybody who says you only have yourself to blame is just not very good at blaming other people.

When poppies pull themselves up from their roots
and start out, one after the other, toward the sunset –
don't follow them.

— Slavko Janevski, 'Silence'

And the dough-headed took their acid fermentation for a soul, the stabbing of meat for history, the means of postponing their decay for civilization.

— Stanislaw Lem, Return from the Stars

The Church says that the Earth is Flat,
but I know that it is Round,
for I have seen its Shadow on the Moon,
and I have more Faith in a Shadow than in the Church.

— (commonly misattributed to Magellan)

In the early years of the study there were more than 200 speakers of the dialect, including one parrot.

— from the WP article Nancy Dorian

Mikebrown is unusually eccentric and not very bright. [...] Astronomers have not noticed any outbursts by Mikebrown.

— from the WP article 11714 Mikebrown
Ecce Mono
Keep Redskins White!
"homosapiens are people, too!!"
a sprig of spaghetti
"I've always had a horror of husbands-in-law."
anti–zombie-fungus fungus
"Only an evil person would eat baby soup." (said in all sincerity)

AWB and order of article elementsEdit

Hi, your AWB edits appear to be consistently moving short descriptions down in the article, placing them after hatnotes and protection templates (like here). But they're meant to be at the very top, before anything else: MOS:ORDER. I really hope that's not a bug in AWB. – Uanfala (talk) 21:18, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, that's a bug in AWB. I have it set for 'apply general fixes'. — kwami (talk) 21:20, 10 December 2019 (UTC)


haven't seen you in a while. ♦ Lingzhi2 (talk) 23:59, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Lingnut! Yeah, been a while. Didn't recognize your new name. — kwami (talk) 08:54, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Merry!Edit

  Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!

Hello Kwamikagami, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2020.
Happy editing,

★Trekker (talk) 16:02, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

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IPA-x templatesEdit

Hey Kwamikagami, I was looking at contributors to the family of IPA-x templates, such as Template:IPA-ja and your name appeared a lot, which is why I'm here. There was a recent discussion about a different group of language templates (xx-icon) that had the same design approach as these - a template for each language. That discussion resulted in changing the design to one template that accepts as a parameter the language - so in this example, instead of {{IPA-ja}} it would be {{IPA|ja}}. For editors, the change is very minimal as instead of a hyphen they use a vertical bar, but the behind the scenes can now be maintained much more reasonably. Now if you want to apply a change to all templates, you need to update each individual template, once consolidated, there is need for only one edit. As you seem to be one of the maintainers of these templates, would you know where the correct place would be to discuss such a change before TfD? --Gonnym (talk) 14:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gonnym. I don't do much maintenance any more. I would notify Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Linguistics and some of the main IPA templates, like maybe Template talk:IPA, Template talk:IPA-all and Template talk:IPAc-en. — kwami (talk) 23:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Query re wekiwekiEdit

Re this name shift, there is no contemporary 'community' I know of self-identifying as wekiweki, which is just one of several spellings. Could you elucidate? Thanks in anticipation.Nishidani (talk) 12:22, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nishidani. I was following AIATSIS. Under their comments for [S21] Warga Warga, they say,
Warga Warga and Weki Weki refer to the same language (Clark 1996, 2005). Previously there was a Thesaurus heading for Warga Warga but not Weki Weki. As the two are now treated as the same language and Weki Weki is the community-preferred name, they have been merged under the Weki Weki S33 heading.
They say the same thing under S33. (Weki Weki and Warga Warga refer to the same language (Clark 1996, 2005), of which the community-preferred name is Weki Weki.) That's all I was going on. — kwami (talk) 23:24, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
There is no evidence of what is meant by a 'community-preferred name', obviously because there is great confusion over the names, which are used to indicate very distinct geohistorical peoples, whose descendants' communities are not visible on the web in these terms. AIATSIS may have good grounds for this assertion, but I cannot verify it anywhere.
Weki Weki is Tindale’s Watiwati (AIATSIS S33.
Variant names are Wathiwathi (wati = no), Watthiwatthi, Wattewatte, Watty-watty, Wotti-wotti, Withaija, Wohdi Wohdi, Woani (means 'man'), Woonyi, Dacournditch (horde between Tyntynder and Swan Hill), Biangil (place name Piangil).
Their location was given as

Murray River between a point 15 miles (24 km.)above Murrumbidgee Junction and Swan Hill; at Piangil;extending northward to about Moolpa, N.S.W. According to Cameron, the name Narinari is also applied to this tribe but there is some evidence to show they are separate peoples.According to Stone, the Wembawemba called the dialect of the Watiwati tribe Burrea.

Around Piangil, in short.
(b)Warka Warka Warga Warga S21.
Variant names are Werkawerka, Waikywaiky (['warki] = ['warka] = no), Weki-weki, Wengenmarongeitch, Mirdiragoort, Boo-roung, Boorong, Wirtu (means 'man'), Wirtoo
Their location was given as

Tyrrell Creek and Lake Tyrrell south to Warracknabeal and Birchip; west to Hopetoun; on Morton Plains.p.208

Around Warracknabeal in short
As you can see, there is no overlap geographically.
Thirdly, the scholarship identifies (see my edit to Weki Weki) Warka Warka as probably not an autonomous community, but a subgroup of the Wergaia.
I don’t often use AIATSIS because it is a highly abstract synthesis that perplexes me compared to the actual secondary ethnographic sources I draw on, all of which try to iron out distinctions that the list format of AIATSIS blurs and where confusion reigns.
Wouldn't it be safer to just revert the name back. I can't find any documentation whatsoever, unlike with the Warkawarka, about a Weki Weki people, and people would probably search for the former.Nishidani (talk) 17:16, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Sure. Go ahead and move it back (or I will). I don't know the lit, so you decide what's best. — kwami (talk) 22:37, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, pal. I dunno how to make name shifts. I dunno much about anything technical, so, give it a few days, and if anyone else watching those pages (there are a few) can't get round to it, I'd appreciate you fixing it. Thanks for all the great work, not only on those Aussie articles. Best Nishidani (talk) 10:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
Ooops. I see you've already done it. Thanks