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Forum for identifying silent-era movie stills?Edit

Dorothy Gish with friend

Greetings Rosiestep

I'm wondering if you know of a forum for group assistance in identifying what's in some movie stills from the silent era? I have a number of stills from the estate of my great aunt, Mary H. O'Connor. Some of these have partial labeling, which might allow full identification from knowledgeable folks. (Others have no labeling, and I assume would be pretty difficult to identify.)

One example is shown at the right. The back of this has a penciled note, "Dorothy Gish," and nothing more. I wonder if some experts might identify the movie or approximate date.

Another example is also at-right. The back of the photo is annotated: "Gish," "Mary," "Anita Loos." It's tempting to think it's a behind-the-scenes image from Intolerance, with D.W. Griffith in the center of the picture. But I don't know enough history to decide. (And the "Gish" looks more like Dorothy than Lillian, despite the latter being credited.)

Thanks for any ideas you or others might have about group-effort identification. KKelvinThompson (talk) 20:42, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi KKelvinThompson, and thanks for stopping by. Wow, very cool that you have access to those images. Some thoughts: Ask at WikiCommons. Ask at WP:WikiProject Film. And maybe a pagestalker has more ideas? --Rosiestep (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

✅ Done. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film/Outreach — thanks again! KKelvinThompson (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

It won't help for every film given the lost films from the era, but for something like Intolerance, we could probably judge it by watching the film in question. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 20:10, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Adam Cuerden! I may try watching Intolerance on YouTube. Also, I did finally upload that candidate image, and updated my previous text above. KKelvinThompson (talk) 21:07, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Mary Louise BoothEdit

Is that last section a quote? It reads very Victorian, but it's not marked as a quote. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 00:01, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden, There's a lot of PD content in the article which would benefit from a good edit to sound less Victorian. I'll put it on my to-do list.
And now done, including quite a bit of trimming. Would appreciate any insights as to better phrasing? --Rosiestep (talk) 01:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
You've done a really good job on this, Rosie. Looks to me like a deserving candidate for GA. I had never heard of her before but she was certainly influential in her day. The article also shows how her translated French works contributed to patriotism during the American Civil War. That was also new to me. What do you think, Susun?--Ipigott (talk) 11:39, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I agree Ipigott There are a few instances where it is obvious that citations are missing, but if you add those, I think it should be nominated. Well done Rosie! SusunW (talk) 13:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ipigott and SusunW:, thank you for thinking it's such a nice article! As you might be aware, I haven't worked on GA candidates for years so I'm not sure that I understand what all needs to be done, but I'll add more inline sources in the next few days. Your guideance is appreciated. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:19, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I can help out with any further copy-editing if you think it would be useful. Once you've taken care of the refs, we can probably just nominate it and see what comes out of the review. I think Alanna the Brave might also be willing to lend a hand.--Ipigott (talk) 15:30, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Can do -- I'll take a look later today and see if I can contribute. Alanna the Brave (talk) 15:58, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
That would be appreciated, Ipigott. Thanks for offering. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that the article might also be relevant to wp Military History. Would you agree, Gog the Mild? Women's influence in American military history seems too often to be sadly forgotten.--Ipigott (talk) 15:45, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm hip deep reviewing Gloria Swanson's GA nomination, but it looks like you're in good hands, Rosie. If you need me, just ping and I'll try to help. SusunW (talk) 17:40, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

For all the assessments of women writer articles that you have been doing.

Coolabahapple (talk) 01:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

  • Thank you, Coolabahapple; I really appreciate it! Mostly, it seems that no one notices my assessment work, but it's cool that you have. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Rosie, you would be surprised how many of us keep track of pretty well everything you do on a day-to-day basis. The assessment work is important and useful. I hope it will inspire others to follow in your footsteps.--Ipigott (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, I would be surprised, Ipigott. And, of course, I agree with you that the assessment work is important and useful. Thanks for being so encouraging; it made my day! :) --Rosiestep (talk) 23:44, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Help User_talk:NightenbelleEdit

I am here to ask for help as an alternative to creating even more drama about this at ANI because I still think it needs resolution. You look so busy, I don't know how you have time for this, but I am in a quandry, so I am asking anyway. I opened a discussion at DNR and I got confused when part of the discussion was overlooked and the DNR closed. I went to the mediator and asked her about it. The discussion at DNR has since been reopened, but the discussion with the moderator went to Hell in a handbasket quickly. Here is the entire archived discussion from her talk page: [1] I remain confused about how and why this happened. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jenhawk777, and thanks for stopping by. However, I'm not best-suited to help with this. There may be some people who are at WP:WikiProject Women in Red and/or WP:WikiProject Women, so you might want to consider posting your request for Help on those talkpages. --Rosiestep (talk) 20:19, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you anyway. Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:25, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


Sunflowers in Walsdorf

A first for me today: a featured list (= a featured topic in this case) on the Main page, see Wikipedia:Main Page history/2020 August 21, an initiative by Aza24 in memory of Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations, @Gerda and Aza. And thank you for the nice photo of sunflowers. Whenever I see sunflowers, I smile; they are so cheerful. So this is quite welcome today given that I'm finally back home after being evacuated due to one of the 2020 California wildfires. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:23, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
I was just thinking about you, Rosie, while reading about those terrible fires. I'm glad to hear you're back home and hope the danger is over. Enjoy your Sunday.--Ipigott (talk) 09:32, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, @Ian. This month was the first time in my life that I experienced a Mandatory Evacuation Order. A bit disconcerting -we had 10 minutes notice to pack and drive away- and not something I'll soon forget. For the moment, my neighborhood is out of danger but the thick smoke covering much of Northern California prohibits us/everyone from spending any time outdoors in what would otherwise be a nice summer day. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:12, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I guess I would have said more than "a bit disconcerting"! How are things now? - If you are in the mood for deadly dancing: :: Rhythm Is It! - I expanded that stub on my dad's birthday because we saw the film together back then, and were impressed. As a ref said: every educator should see it. Don't miss the trailer, for a starter. - A welcome chance to present yet another article by Brian on the Main page, Le Sacre du printemps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Thanks for asking. The fire in my town is out and the air quality is improving every day. --Rosiestep (talk) 14:52, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

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Dahlias in Walsdorf

I like today's Main page, with the TFA on the anniversary day (of both dedication and our concert), a DYK, and a great photographer who didn't make it soon enough, Jürgen Schadeberg, - more on my talk, mostly about the tribute to Brian who shared his sources. - Love the cat ready to jump! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Nice! And what a pretty dahlia, Gerda Arendt. --Rosiestep (talk) 22:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
In contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt, nice; and Happy Birthday (though I don't know when it was). By the way, you've mentioned dahlias and sunflowers. I wonder if you have thoughts on Zinnias? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:03, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
I love Zinnias but they are not frequently seen here. - If you click on "September" I guess you'll find out when the day was. In the lovely list of places and songs, I slowly work through the red links. Two of the places were pictured on the Main page, and several songs appeared in DYK, - most - thank goodness - had articles already. A lasting virtual celebration! I don't want to give too many personal details but can say that the two who gave me Meermenschen were part of the exquisite group of the six closest who actually met on the day, followed by several other small group get-togethers later. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt I should have given more context; yes. I love Zinnias and wondered if you were fond of them and if they were special to you, too. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Daisies are most special to me, as you may have seen - the first entry, I gave myself ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:38, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Gerda Arendt Daisys, zinnias... we are in the same family. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 16:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Homespun movementEdit

I heard a rumor that you like to write about women's history/fashion. While working on Elizabeth Willing Powel (about to be an FA), I discovered an overlooked subject. I wonder if you would be interested in helping me expand it beyond a stub I created. I have to admit the subject is well outside my area of interest (biographies). --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 00:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Aha! So you read the WaPo article, Coffeeandcrumbs. :) Indeed I created Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the fashion industry, and also, way back when, The Kate effect, now a redirect. But I'm really no expert about fashion or its history. More to the point, since the pandemic, I've not done much wiki work except reviewing and updating talkpage ratings for articles within the scope of WP:WPWW. Maybe a page stalker would have some interest in expanding Homespun movement? By the way, congratulations on the (about to be) FA! That is truly an admirable achievement. --Rosiestep (talk) 05:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
I was interested to see Elizabeth Willing Powel now seems well on its way to reaching FA after a long, detailed list of suggestions. I found Tagishsimon's contributions to the review particularly perceptive and beneficial. I've looked at Homespun movement but it's not really my field of interest. In any case, it would be more appropriate to have it researched by an American, perhaps SusunW or Megalibrarygirl if they are not too busy. It could also be brought to the attention of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Textile Arts, a wikiproject which is still surprisingly active.--Ipigott (talk) 10:22, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm focusing on working on Wiki articles about women's suffrage in all the states right now. The centennial celebration has given me a lot of sources to work with! I'm also helping local history buffs with various projects. It's good stuff, but kind of frying my brain (even more than usual). Megalibrarygirl (talk) 21:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm trying to work my way through the OUP Dictionary of Afro-Caribbean Biography, but I keep being pulled into other articles. I'll add it to my list, but not sure when I will have time. SusunW (talk) 22:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
@SusunW and Megalibrarygirl: Don't worry about it. We can't follow up on everything that comes up. I've posted it on the talk page of wp Textile Arts and hope that sooner or later someone will follow up on it. And that seems to have led to more interest in WiR with a proposal on our ideas page that we cover textile artists in November.--Ipigott (talk) 15:58, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
I noticed that, too, on our Ideas page, @Ipigott, Megalibrarygirl, and SusunW -- focusing on textile artisans in November. It'll be our first time working with WikiProject Textile Arts, and there are already two redlists (textile artists; textile designers). --Rosiestep (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
Good deal. I'll be happy to work on textiles and collaborating with Textile Arts should be fun. SusunW (talk) 16:34, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Support aspiredEdit

Hi bae profound greetings, This time I appeal for your support. Can you do so on [2]. I may nominate you as well if you wish.


SHISHIR DUA 17:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

More photos for considerationEdit

Laura Don

Hi @Adam: as I continue my review of women writer biographies, and updating their talkpage templates if appropriate, I came across Laura Don. There's a striking photo in the article, which might benefit from some technical improvements. So I thought of you. Of course, if you're busy with other things, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:26, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Florence Auer
Florence Auer is another one that might interest you. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:48, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Will have a look. Auer is a particularly damaged one (and not the most flattering), but I should at least be able to improve it. Don is gorgeous; I just wish the NYPL was a bit freer with the high-res images. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 21:09, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Slightly upped resolution on Laura Don; not sure it needs anything more; it's stunningly preserved. Adding Auer to the list. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 21:17, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, @Adam, regarding the Don picture. It is lovely and flattering. Indeed, Auer is the opposite: quite unflattering. My yin and yang contribution for this Sunday. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:03, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Trying to decide if playing "Well, it's probably before 1925..." is good enough for the lovely images of Auer on the NYPL. I mean, they show a young adult woman, who's clearly pretty young, but they're undated. I wouldn't say they're a woman over 45, but what level of proof do I need? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 06:11, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi Pharos, do you know how to sort out photo dates for images on the NYPL website? (CC: Adam Cuerden) --Rosiestep (talk) 13:36, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Adam Cuerden: When I come across old portraits with the photographer's name at bottom and frequently an additional frame, I usually crop off the name and the frame as I seem to remember reading somewhere that names and captions should not be included. In the case of Laura Don, I see this has not been done. Have I been introducing errors? Any advice on this?--Ipigott (talk) 08:44, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
  • Ipigott, I usually crop them off, too, but I'd be interested in hearing @Adam's response as I don't think I've ever seen the definitive answer on this. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:03, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
  • There's a difference between something like a cabinet card or something else that has been part of the image for a hundred years and a mark added a century later in a computer (and CERTAINLY NOT to massacre the edges of an engraving so that it can never be reprinted in its original appearance). The policy is for the latter. Now, that's not to say one should never consider cropping: for example, a lot of military photos get mounted onto a paper with a bit of information about them. It's awkward and ugly, so it's better to copy the text and crop it.
Also, always upload the originals, and upload the crop as a derivative, because I've seen a lot of crops where it might make sense with the damaged image, but it prevents the damage from ever being fixed. For instance, consider the lead for Hazel MacKaye. Since I had the original, I could painstakingly fix the damage to the bottom of her dress, and thus get much better composition, whereas had it been cropped, it might have been better shortterm, but there would be no chance for it to be fixed.
Sources go offline all the time. It might not matter much with a Library of Congress TIFF, but if you modify something from an auction house, or a website, or even some sites that currently allow downloads but might stop, it's vital that you upload the original too. A lot of old cylinder recordings were once available, but the unrestored files they didn't claim copyright on are now pulled behind a paywall, for instance, and there are numerous other examples where once-freely-downloadable content has disappeared. So ALWAYS upload the originals. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 21:46, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Adam Cuerden. Now I understand. I should have asked long ago. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:51, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
This one of Auer was published in 1911 and is on the NY Public Library page. There may be others, but it's late and I am calling it a night. Adam Cuerden I'm happy to look for others if you like tomorrow. SusunW (talk) 05:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
Documented and uploaded! Thanks, Susun! Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 23:00, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commencedEdit

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