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On this WikiProject Stub sorting subpage, you can propose new stub types (please read the procedures beforehand!), as well as the reorganization and subdivision of existing stub types. You can also discuss anything else related to stubs on the talk page.

Proposing new stub types – procedureEdit

Important: If you wish to propose the creation of a stub ARTICLE you've come to the wrong place. If you don't have a username yourself, please go to WP:AFC for proposing a new article. If you already have a username, you can create the article yourself. If you don't know how, add {{Helpme}} to your user talk page to request help from other editors. This page only deals with stub TEMPLATES and CATEGORIES; we cannot help you with creating articles.

Proposing new stub types
If you wish to propose a new stub category and template, please follow these procedures:
  1. Check the List of stub types or under Category:Stub categories to make sure that your proposed new stub does not already exist.
  2. List it at the top of the current month's section, under a header, like the ones shown (if any). Sign it with a datestamp (~~~~).
    • Please bear in mind that a stub category isn't about the importance or notability of the topic!
  3. Find a good number[1] of stub articles, as many as you can, that will fit that template. You may use this tool to scan through categories; tagged stubs are always in Category:All stub articles and transclude {{asbox}}. Each of these articles can be:
    • currently marked with {{stub}};
    • currently marked with another type of stub tag (in which case you should justify why your tag is better for the article than the current one);
    • a stub whose categorisation is highly ambiguous or questionable;
    • not marked as a stub.
  4. If you use any category scan (from the tool mentioned above or from any other), please link to it so that other users can confirm that the results are still accurate.
  5. Others may do the same, if they so desire.
  6. 5 days after listing it here, if there is general approval or no objection, go ahead and create the new category and/or template following the format on Wikipedia:Stub. List the new stub type on the stub types list in an appropriate section. If consensus is not clear, or discussion is still ongoing, the proposal will remain open until consensus can be reached.
  7. If you wish to propose a stub type which does not currently have 60 articles that could use it, you may propose an upmerged template in a similar way. An upmerged template would feed into currently existing stub categories until such time that there are enough stubs for a separate stub category. At that point a category for it may be separately proposed. Some times, it may be difficult to be sure how many stubs would get a tag - in which case you can also start with an upmerged stub tag until you're sure there are enough.

DO NOT place a proposal here for any stub type which has already been created and is being discussed at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. The proposal page is only for stub types that have not yet been created, and it is better to keep any discussion of such stub types in one place rather than splitting it between different pages. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion is the correct page for proposals to delete a stub type.

^ . Good number means about 60 articles or more, or 30 or more if it is the primary stub type of a WikiProject, though this figure may vary from case to case.

"Speedy creation"Edit

A stub type may be proposed for "speedy creation" if it meets one of the following criteria:

  • S1 - the creation of a category for which an approved upmerged template already exists and is now in use on more than 60 articles.
  • S2 - the creation of an upmerged national-level template for a subject in which other such national-level templates currently exist (e.g., X-bio-stub, X-hist-stub, or X-geo-stub, where X is the name of an internationally widely recognised country) or other instances where a clearly established pattern of similar subtypes exists. The proposed topic may not be controversial in scope. Many templates qualifying for S2 are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/To do/To create.

List speedy creation proposals in the same proposal listings as normal stub proposals below.

Proposals, October 2020Edit

Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.

NEW PROPOSALSEdit

Folklore stubsEdit

A very large proportion of articles in this general subject area are stubs (especially those on minor figures), but few of them are marked as such in any way, due to a lack of a stub type for them. Those that are, generally have either a {{WikiProject Folklore|class=Stub}} on the talk page (268 so far, from a rather inactive project), or have an over-general stub tag in the article (e.g. {{England-stub}} or whatever), or a misleading one ({{England-history-stub}}, {{England-noble-stub}}, etc.). I've looked through various relevant categories, and am not seeing an appropriate extant stub type. While we do have Category:Mythology stubs ({{Mythology-stub}}) and its subcats, they are both too specific and too unspecific: they're for mythological topics proper (gods and other subjects from religio-spiritual oeuvres); and they do not drill down very precisely, being divided by major cultural grouping only. Folklore is a broad topic, encompassing legendary and quasi-historical figures, folk remedies, traditional fairytales and other folktales, folk arts traditions, etc. And it often tends toward a geographical distribution, so there's no clear way to get at English folklore in the mythology tree, because the European branch of it's broken up into Celtic, Greek, Ancient Roman, and "Norse" (which is arguably an error – should be Germanic, with Norse as a subset along with some sibling categories). I suppose one would default to classifying English as Germanic, though it is culturally a mixture. And there's no proper place for British as a catch-all for that region, since even if you classify English as Germanic, most of the rest of Britain is historically Celtic. But labelling something that is Welsh or Scottish only as culturally Celtic and not geographically British may hide, for a reader, a close relationship of that material to nearby English material. Definitely in folklore, if not so much in mythology as such. However, quite a number of stubs in the mythology tree really belong in this proposed folklore one, as they are not connected to mythology per se, and people have been using that stub cat. out of lack of something that fits better.

I think this should be divided, like the mythology tree, continentally to start with. But then both culturally and nationally. My immediate desire is for the following:

  • Folklore stubs
    • European folklore stubs
    • Folklore stubs by culture (container cat.)
      • Celtic folklore stubs
      • Germanic folklore stubs
    • Folklore stubs by nationality (container cat.)
      • British folklore stubs
        • Cornish folklore stubs
        • English folklore stubs
        • Manx folklore stubs
        • Scottish folklore stubs
        • Welsh folklore stubs
      • Irish folklore stubs

Something like Scottish would be a subcat of both British (geographical) and Celtic (cultural), and so on.

Just by looking at other stub category trees, we can see what structure will be needed for both cultural division (e.g., see the language and music and religion stub cats.), and geographical division (e.g. look at cats. for places, law, government). I think the history stub cats are already dually divided this way.

There is probably much more room for precise subdivision here than under mythology, as much folklore is rather localized and has become more so just over the last 500 years (and there's more folklore than there is mythology), whereas the pagan mythology of, say, the Scots and the Irish was essentially the same, and it didn't vary all that much in key figures, other than their name spellings, from Brythonic (Welsh, Cornish, etc.). I see in Category:Celtic mythology stubs only 213 pages. Even if, say 175 of those really are mythology stubs and not folklore ones, it becomes clear that most of the possible articles in this topic are already pretty well developed and are no longer stubs. But the amount of folklore topics that could qualify – from specific probably-not-historical figures and places and creatures, to specific folkloric works or whatever – is a much broader pool of material. E.g., in Category:Arthurian characters alone (and subscats thereof) there are over 300 articles, and many of them are stubs. Have a look in Category:English folklore, which has what seems to be a few thousand articles after you wade through subcategories. Quite a few of those will be stubs.

Having a folklore stub tree also would help break up big "[Countryname] stubs" categories, and clean up stuff mis-sub-categorized (e.g. legendary locations tagged with [Countryname]-geo-stub), or simply not stub-tagged at all. I'm also keeping mind that the main functional purpose of fine stub categorization is stub sorting for wikiproject attention, and that tends to go national more than cultural.
 — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  20:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Support as I can't believe it hasn't already been done. I suggest this be set up under Culture stubs | Other culture. Her Pegship (?) 03:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Split of Minnesota geography stubsEdit

Oversized, templated by county I propose the following additional areas to see where we are

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Split of Mississippi geography stubsEdit

Oversized, templated by county I propose to split the following areas

This should reduce the category below 800. Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Split of Nebraska geogrpahy stubsEdit

Oversized, templated by county I propose to split the following areas

  • Category:Nebraska Panhandle region geography stubs - made up of Banner, Box Butte, Chey, Dawes, Deuel, Gard, Kimball, Morrill, Scotts Bluff, Sherid and Sioux counties
  • Category:Eastern Nebraska geography stubs - made up of Antelope, Boone, Burt, Butler, Cass, Cedar, Clay, Colfax, Cuming, Dakota, Dixon, Dodge, Douglas, Fillmore, Gage, Hamilton, Jefferson, Johnson, Knox, Lancaster, Madison, Merrick, Nance, Nemaha, Nuckolls, Otoe, Pawnee, Pierce, Platte, Polk, Richardson, Saline, Sarpy, Saunders, Seward, Stanton, Thayer, Thurston, Washington, Wayne and York counties
  • Category:North Central Nebraska geography stubs - made up of Arthur, Blaine, Boyd, Brown, Cherry, Custer, Garfield, Grant, Greeley, Holt, Hooker, Howard, Keya Paha, Logan, Loup, McPherson, Rock, Sherman, Thomas, Valley and Wheeler counties
  • Category:South Central Nebraska geography stubs - made up of Adams, Buffalo, Chase, Dawson, Dundy, Franklin, Frontier, Furnas, Gosper, Hall, Harlan, Hayes, Hitchcock, Kearney, Keith, Lincoln, Perkins, Phelps, Red Willow and Webster counties

Again this should reduce the main category below 800. Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Polyommatinae stubsEdit

Oversized category, per petscan the following are both viable

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Dytiscidae stubsEdit

Oversized category, per petscan the following is viable

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Decapod stubsEdit

Oversized category, per petscan the following are viable

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Weevil stubsEdit

Oversized category, per petscan the following are viable from articles tagged with Weevil-stub

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Chrysomelidae stubsEdit

Oversized category, per petscan the following are viable

Waacstats (talk) 22:45, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

SpeediesEdit

Speedy upmerge templatesEdit

Propose speedy S2 creation of below Taiwan stub upmerge templates for buildings

Twoggo (talk) 05:08, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

SpeediesEdit

A collection of templates that have all passed 60 uses and are ready for categories.

Algeria geography stubsEdit

Oversized, already has all templates for all the provinces and all the templates with over 60 have categories so I propose the following

this should bring the category down to a reasonable size. Waacstats (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Looks reasonable. Support.Her Pegship (?) 04:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Split of Georgia (US) geoEdit

Now each state has a county template, I would like to propose the following areas based on [[2]] map:

From the map the Chattahoochee Valley area would only have 34 articles. I have not included the (U.S. State) after Georgia in the category names as the articles describing these areas do not have them. A break down of the counties by area can be seen here. Waacstats (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

The article title don't use (U.S. state), but the categories and stub categories do, so I suggest the proposed names include it as well. (See Category:Georgia (U.S. state) geography stubs.) Her Pegship (?) 19:18, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I may not have been clear in what I meant, we have an article at Georgia (U.S. state) and the categories follow suit with for example the stub category you mentioned, however the articles for the regions are North Georgia, Southwest Georgia, Southeast Georgia, Coastal Georgia and Central Georgia none of which use (U.S. state) so I would not expect categories relating to those having the {U.S. state). Waacstats (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
nb I have changed the two Southern categories from South East Georgia and South West Georgia to Southeast Georgia and Southwest Georgia to match the articles. Waacstats (talk) 10:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Split of Alabama geo stubsEdit

Again each county now has a template, I would like to propose the following:

A break down of the counties by area can be seen here. Waacstats (talk) 22:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

China railway station stubsEdit

Currently oversized, already has some by administrative division splits, I propose we create templates for the remaining divisions and categories where we have 60+ articles, hopefully this will reduce the size well below 800.

new 2010s Film Stubs subcategoriesEdit

SpeediesEdit

Georgia (U.S. State) geography stubsEdit

Alabama geography stubsEdit

Montana geography stubsEdit

Nevada geography stubsEdit

Idaho geography stubsEdit

Mississippi geography stubsEdit

Nebraska geography stubsEdit

SpeediesEdit

Split of Illinois politician stubsEdit

Split of Institutional Revolutionary politician stubsEdit

split of South Korean railway station stubsEdit

split of year stubsEdit

Italian mayor stubsEdit

Proposals, September 2020Edit

SpeediesEdit

Indiana Registered Historic Place stubsEdit

Iowa Registered Historic Place stubsEdit

Illinois Registered Historic Place stubsEdit

West Virginia Registered Historic Place stubsEdit

Kentucky Registered Historic Place stubsEdit

Tennessee Registered Historic Place stubsEdit

SpeediesEdit

Tidy up in football biography stubsEdit

Split of Conservative MP for England stubsEdit

Split of French politician stubsEdit

Split of Australian politician stubsEdit

Scotland football biosEdit

SpeediesEdit

Split of Pakistani railway station stubsEdit

Split of German noble stubsEdit

Speedy Nepal district stub catsEdit

German airport stubsEdit

South American hospital stubsEdit

Proposals, August 2020Edit

speedy African footy bio stubsEdit

Speedy split of Tenebrionoidea stubsEdit

Vologda Oblast stubsEdit

Split of Bashkortostan geosEdit

split of Vladimir geosEdit

Split of Perm Krai geosEdit

Split of Volgograd geosEdit

split of Vorenezh OblastEdit

Speedy split of Siberia geography stubsEdit

Split of American track and field athletics biography stubsEdit

Split of Parliament of England (pre-1707) MP stubs‎Edit

Split of Pakistani politician stubsEdit

Split of Member of the Wisconsin State Assembly stubs‎Edit

Split of Bangladeshi politician stubsEdit

tidy up of India politician stubsEdit

Split of Ontario MPP stubEdit

Speedy split of Italian actorsEdit

Split of Baronet stubsEdit

Split of Italian Roman Catholic bishop stubsEdit

split of Anglican bishop stubsEdit

Split of British Christian clergy stubsEdit

More sculpture-stub templatesEdit

S1 speedy split of French politician stubsEdit

1990s country song stubsEdit

Diplomat stubsEdit

split of Category:Central Russia geography stubsEdit

Category:Indiana Registered Historic Place stubsEdit

Split of Category:Australian rugby league biography stubsEdit

Split of Category:French athletics biography stubs and Category:German athletics biography stubsEdit

Split of Category:Australian rules biography, 1880s birth stubs and Category:Australian rules biography, 1890s birth stubsEdit

Category:Mexican sport shooting biography stubsEdit

Category:New Zealand rugby union biography stubsEdit

Category:Thai football biography stubsEdit

Category:Czech ice hockey biography stubsEdit

Split of Cat:Sculpture stubsEdit

Church-architecture-stubEdit