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Not contested - notability criteria not met! BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:27, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

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Lesson here for me is no copyrighted material ANYWHERE on Wikipedia. Thanks to those who are patrolling! BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:29, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

A page you started (Ann-Marie Farren) has been reviewed!

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User:Domdeparis while reviewing this page as a part of our page curation process had the following comments:

the News bank link is dead. I removed it to keep the newspaper title

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Dom from Paris (talk) 11:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

@Domdeparis: I’ve made a note about NewsBank elsewhere but didn’t tag you in - so pasting here too - NewsBank is available free via many UK public libraries - not sure about in other countries. Looks like some licences are also available via Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Databases/Requests . If there’s a better way to reference these articles then I’m happy to rectify them- but the sources are not available generally online freely (as far as I can tell) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Yes I saw that and replied there. Cheers. --Dom from Paris (talk) 13:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Amended the NewsBank citations there, and in some other articles. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:30, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Ways to improve Rosina Randafiarison

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For the record, I put this back into Draft, pending better evidence of notability being found BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:23, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

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I also found violations of the copyright policy in the new version of Draft:Jazzy De Lisser. Prose you find online is almost always copyright, and cannot be copied here, not even in sandboxes or drafts; it's against the copyright policy of this website to do so. All prose must be written in your own words. The Wikipedia copyright policy and its application are complex matters, and you should not edit any more until you have taken the time to read and understand our copyright policy. There's a simplified version of our copyright rules at Wikipedia:FAQ/Copyright. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Thanks - and sorry for being a repeat offender in the case of Jazzy De Lisser. Very helpful response to my comment on your talk page - I appreciate the advice. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Guardian/newspapers.com sources

Hi Benny! I hope you are keeping well. I'm looking to work on 1985 World Snooker Championship, but running low on sourcing for the earlier rounds (The final is covered (a lot), but not elsewhere). Could you find out if the higher level sourcing you have access to has much on this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:31, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Sure, I'll have a look. Unfortunately, I don't think the British Library has the 1985 issues of Snooker Scene, which would probably be the most comprehensive source, but I'll see what I can do. I'll put anything I do find on the 1985 Championship talk page. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:34, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Check the talk page on 1985 Championship. Not too much detail on the matches, but hopefully it helps. There are a few additional details in the articles of course, but I've tried to note anything that looked a bit interesting, and excluded mentions of breaks of about 60-70 etc. I should have time tomorrow to check the Times archive too. I can go back to articles if you have questions.

@Lee Vilenski: Hopefully you've got a mail from me with a link to some good stuff - I found the June 1985 issue of Snooker Scene in my cellar! Let me know if not. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:22, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much for all of this - yes I did get your email, as wiki has been down it's been a bit difficult to thank you properly. I've added a few details to the article, but I'll be adding in quite a bit for it. It'll take me a bit of time before it's GA nomable, but all of this information means the article should look fantastic. I'm amazed at what you found in your basement! The things about the drug testing and the cue tip being broken are fantastic and give the article loads of colour. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:38, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm almost done with the article now! Feel free to take a look at 1985 World Snooker Championship... Any ideas on the qualifiers? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:45, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: I might a couple of snippets on the qualifying, will add that in. Just to check, did you see the scans from Snooker Scene (17 pages) at the link in the email? I'll hopefully have a look at the article today, but from a brief scan through - great job! BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:38, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I got the scans. I just haven't had time to work my way through what's there. It's a bit weird, I found some online sources talking about a round robin for qualifying. Was this not true? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:45, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: It was knockout for qualifying. If you look at the results, you can track players through. The Rothmans Snooker Yearbook (e.g. 1987-88) omits the first qualifying round (7 matches) and puts the qualifying results into groups rather than rounds, so may have contributed to there being a confusion with round robin, but there are five players in each "group", for a total of 80 players across the groups, not 64. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:35, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

That makes much more sense. I've worked my way through the article. I doubt I'd have the effort in me to add all of the qualifying results, but I think it's complete now. Thanks for your hard work getting these sources, they have made it possible to promote! Once a Copyedit is done, I'll nominate for FA Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:37, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

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1984 World Championship

I know you asked about having a look at this one, and now the cup is over, I had a few minutes to check it through. I made a few changes. Let me know what you think. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski Thanks! I'll have another read through some of the sources and see if there's anything useful to add in. In answer to your earlier question, it's English billiards stuff I'm working on - I'm unlikely to touch carom articles as I don't know enough about the game. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ideal. I think with a few contemporary sources it could be a GA candidate. I don't know much about billiards in general really - I did write an article on Jean Bessems last night though. Let me know if I can help.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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Year long campaign of sports for Women in Red.

Hello. Lee Vilenski mentioned on Discord that you make a whole bunch of women biographies. He'd thought you'd be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Meetup/151, where there will be a year long initative of sports for Women in Red for 2020. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 22:18, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

MrLinkinPark333 Yes, I have now signed up. Thanks for this. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:37, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Not sure if you are the type Benny, but feel free to join us on Discord - See WP:DISCORD for instructions. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:06, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

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no problem. I don't necessarily need tournament brackets (although that would be great), just some sources that talk about the events. I've done backwards to 1996, but before that I can't find much. I'd rather not have an article on the 1991 event based purely from citations in 2002 commenting on Strickland having won the event before. If you do dog anything up, please let me know :). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 6 January 2020 (UTC) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:09, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

WPA World Nine-ball sources

Hi Benny! I'm looking to fill out all of the WPA World Nine-ball Championship articles, and I'm struggling to get anything pre-1996 (1990-1996). Could you have a look and see if there is anything on the newspaper archive? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:39, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski No joy from the online sources I've got access to. There are a few passing references to reigning champions in some US local papers found on NewsBank but no tournament details. There's an outside chance that there might be some coverage in Snooker Scene, but they didn't have much on pool in the 90's. I'll add that to my list of stuff to check at the British Library, which may be next week depending on when I'm able to order the items and get there. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

no problem. I don't necessarily need tournament brackets (although that would be great), just some sources that talk about the events. I've done backwards to 1996, but before that I can't find much. I'd rather not have an article on the 1991 event based purely from citations in 2002 commenting on Strickland having won the event before. If you do dog anything up, please let me know :). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:07, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

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1985 British Open

Hi Benny, I did a bit cleanup on 1985 British Open, as I think it's a good contender for GAN. I'll do a bit more work on it, and get it perfect. If you'd like to claim points for this one, either one of us can nominate (you get points now for just being a significant contributor). Do you want me to chuck it through GA, or do you fancy this one? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:27, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Lee Vilenski Hi Lee, thanks. Yes, if you could put it through GA that would be great. It was at this tournament that Francisco accused Stevens of drug use, although that only became public later - "snooker's first drugs story" as Everton has called it. Shall I add in something about this do you think? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

I think so. I went into detail in the world championship article, but it would be great here. I've nommed. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:53, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Bundling

Hi Benny, I saw your GA nom for Billiards and Snooker Control Council. I may end up reviewing it, but as I checked it through, I'd like to introduce you to WP:CITEKILL/WP:BUNDLING. You have certain items that look like:

"two professionals to recognise the BA&CC as continuing to have authority over the game.[19][20][21][22][23][6]:146–147 From 1972,"

Might I suggest either getting rid of some of these citations, or bundling these into one citation? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

That's great Lee Vilenski - I see myself using this quite a lot in future! Regards BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thought I'd mention it. I have an issue with any more than 3 citations after a sentence, as it really doesn't need to be confirmed so many times. The bonus with bundling, is that you can add additional comments to the citation, as to why things are as they are, and it's neater.

of course, if possible, remove redundant refs Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

James Wattana Kent Challenge 1989

Hello Benny how are you ?. Wattana won this event it is referenced on Turner's site. It says "Wattana won the £6,000 first prize in the Hong Kong tournament". It is also listed on the new wpbsa players profiles. Can you find the runner-up for the event please ?. This tournament is not to be confused with the 1990 Hong Kong Challenge where Wattana beat Jimmy White. Can you help ?. Regards 31.200.191.247 (talk) 08:50, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

No luck on tracking this one down so far. I'll keep an eye out for it. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:16, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Me either how come we can't find any info on this ?. It must have been a small event I suppose 89.204.235.137 (talk) 15:39, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Probably. I wonder if it was reported in the Hong Kong press at the time? I don't have access to any Hong Kong newspaper archives. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Sure who the hell would know that I've no clue, what about Snooker Scene ?. 89.204.235.137 (talk) 16:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Here are the results of the 1989 Hong Kong Challenge:

Qtr-f: S Leung (Hong Kong) b R Farebrother (Aust) 126-98 (86-35) Sakchai Sim-Ngam (Thai) b G Sethi (India) 118-98 (69-37), K Kwok (​Hong Kong) b B Anderson (NZ) 132-72 (58-46), J Wattana (Thai) b T Ang (Singapore) 126-63.

Semi-f: Kwok b Wattana 117-89 (76-39) Sim-Ngam b Leung 132-85 (57-68).

Final Kwok b Sim-Ngam 3-1 (68-32 100-11 72-68 79-8)

Source: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/120934409/ (I don't have access to the full article)

In the qualifying rounds, Hong Kong's Kenny Kwok and Stanley Leung won the two berths available in the main round. Kwok trashed Zhong Wenmin of China 143-53 in the first qualifying-round match and then came from behind to defeat another Hong Kong player David Yao 123-113 to earn his main round berth. Leung defeat Sou Kok Leong of Macau 169-29 and then Hong Kong's top player Franky Chan 127-83 to met Fairbrother in the main draw.

Source: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/122285755

According to this article, Wattana won this title the previous year but can't find more info about it. Therocket1990 (talk) 10:29, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

GAN Backlog drive

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Hope you are well. I know you've done the odd GAN review before, so I'd like to point you to the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives/April–May 2020 backlog drive page. Feel free to join up/ignore me. :). Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

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FAC

Hi Benny, there's an FAC open that you might be interested in - Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2017 World Snooker Championship/archive1. Thanks for your time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:11, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 May newsletter

The second round of the 2020 WikiCup has now finished. It was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 75 points to advance to round 3. There were some very impressive efforts in round 2, with the top ten contestants all scoring more than 500 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 186 good articles achieved in total by contestants, and the 355 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

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2020 Championship League – Event 2

Hi can you create a page for this new event hearn announced from June 1-11th please ?. do you know the format?. Regards 31.200.160.204 (talk) 17:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

The Complete International Directory of Snooker Players 1927 - 2018

Hello Benny how are you ?. i am wondering how come i can't find any trace of this book on Google or Amazon using the ISBN 978-0993 143311 code, These codes bring up all other snooker books. Can you help me please ?. Regards 178.167.130.22 (talk) 19:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi there. I bought this book via an advert in Snooker Scene. It looks like it’s not sold via Amazon. There are some references to it via Google if you search by name rather than ISBN. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bikini Porn/archive1

Hello! I wanted to say that I have a current Featured Article nomination, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bikini Porn/archive1. If you have time to leave some comments there, I would appreciate it. Thank you. Regards! --Paparazzzi (talk) 01:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Your Copyedit Request

Hi Puddleglum2.0, many thanks for your improvements to the article. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 July newsletter

The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

• Epicgenius, with one featured article, 28 good articles and 17 DYKs, amassing 1836 points
• The Rambling Man , with 1672 points gained from four featured articles and seventeen good articles, plus reviews of a large number of FACs and GAs
• Gog the Mild, a first time contestant, with 1540 points, a tally built largely on 4 featured articles and related bonus points.

Between them, contestants managed 14 featured articles, 9 featured lists, 3 featured pictures, 152 good articles, 136 DYK entries, 55 ITN entries, 65 featured article candidate reviews and 221 good article reviews. Additionally, MPJ-DK added 3 items to featured topics and 44 to good topics. Over the course of the competition, contestants have completed 710 good article reviews, in comparison to 387 good articles submitted for review and promoted. These large numbers are probably linked to a GAN backlog drive in April and May, and the changed patterns of editing during the COVID-19 pandemic. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process.

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2005 WSC

Hi Benny! My next target is the 2005 World Snooker Championship, as I'm a huge Murphy mark. However, I'm having a few issues in that most of the refs are broken (specifically the qualifying results). I see there is some stuff on the British Newspaper Archive (I'm working on getting a subscription!), so there may be something on there about it. Could you take a look for me?

Happy to help, Lee Vilenski. If you've got specific British Newspaper Archive items I can look them up (I treated myself to an annual subscription) and failing that I can check Guardian or Times articles, or in the Kobylecky book. Let me know what you're after, or just stick some cn tags in the article. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

What I'd really like is an overview of the qualifying structure (if you look at the current refs, they are broken), and the format/seedings list of the event. Luckily there is already a match recap of each of the matches to the BBC report, so we aren't in any issues with that, but an overall structure of the event is missing.

I went to WP:TWL, who got me free access to [1] after a few emails a while back, and I've gotten access to newspapers.com from there before, so maybe I'll get a hit. £70 for a year is quite steep IMO, when I wouldn't get all that much use out of it! Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:36, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

April–May 2020 GAN Backlog drive

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FA

Hi mate, planning on putting up the co-nom for 1986, would that be ok with you? If you get time, could you look at some sources for the qualifying in 2005 World Snooker Championship? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:28, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Yes to both! Might be a few days on 2005 - I missed booking a British Library spot for the first week of reopening. There might be an online source, I'll root around. Cheers, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:25, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Created by Amir Sarkhosh

Hi, do you think this article is not good for creating in English if you can publish it because I think you have enough information.--Snoookerp.12 (talk) 22:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Snoookerp.12 thanks for your work on the article. I've made a few changes, and I will try to have another look soon. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi thanks for your I think the article was good and the sources were complete, so I suggested it to you.--Snoookerp.12 (talk) 01:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Snoookerp.12 is a now-locked sock of a cross-wiki LTA. DMacks (talk) 10:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Noted, thanks DMacks. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 10:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Atul Gawande second opinion

Hi Benny -

As you may have seen, I answered your request for a second opinion on the GA review for Atul Gawande. I think that most of my concerns are similar to yours - including unsourced passages and some organization issues (especially in the political career section) that affect readability. I am planning to add a few things - a position mentioned in the lead but not in the body, and the omission of Gawande's now-well-covered advice for reopening schools during COVID. Gawande is also a member of the National Academy of Medicine, which is an organization that admits <0.2% of U.S. physicians.

With that said, I noticed that the nominator has only made a handful of edits on WP in the last five months (none to address your review feedback). I have pinged the nominator to see if he/she is available; if we don't hear back in about a week, I recommend that we close this review for now and move on to other nominations in the backlog. Per Wikipedia:GAN/I, I won't close the review unless you agree that this is fair. Larry Hockett (Talk) 16:15, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for providing the second opinion, Larry Hockett. I agree with your recommendation. The article could always be re-nominated later. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:43, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

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World Snooker Championship final formatting

Hi I have a problem with the formatting layout on wiki can you help me please ?. 31.200.163.79 (talk) 21:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

What is it that you're trying to do? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:17, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes Benny hi. I have noticed in the layout for the World Championship final over the last few years It's in a grid that has 4 sessions of 10 frames makes it look like 40 frames with N/A in frames nine and ten in some sections. Can we create a grid to match the final ie have frames 1–8 in session one with two blank spaces at the end instead of having frames 9 and 10 there when they are not needed. Session two would have 1–9 of course with one blank, session three 1–8 with two blank and finally session 4 have frames 1–10. It looks stupid the way it is very annoying. I have tried but I cant get it to work. Will you look at it start even with this year you will get me it looks shit imo ?. 92.251.247.15 (talk) 17:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

This is sadly part of a bigger issue with these tables, one that I've spent quite a bit of time on in the past before giving up. The issue is that these formats aren't the same every year, sometimes there is different length sessions etc. That means that we often have to use bespoke templates per event. If we could have one that was a bit more fluid, that would be great - but better template editors than me have tried. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

The sessions for the final has been the same since 2011 no change since that year so I don't get that myself. So what I am asking is not possible?. 92.251.247.15 (talk) 22:15, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean something like this? I'm not sure it would look any better than what we have now. I'd suggest raising this this at WT:SNOOKER and seeking agreement there. I don't mind trying to build something if there is a consensus on format, but it's hard to make tables on Wikipedia look good IMO. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:22, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Final:
Players	Session 1:
Frame	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
Players	Session 2:
Frame	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9
Players	Session 3:
Frame	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8
Players	Session 4:
Frame	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10
				Highest break
				Century breaks
				50+ breaks
† = Winner of frame

That looks better to me 92.251.247.15 (talk) 23:30, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I fixed it up it is a better layout what do you think?, 92.251.247.15 (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking at it again yours maybe better, let me know what you think ?. 92.251.247.15 (talk) 23:53, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

I think you should take it to WT:SNOOKER (or Talk:2020 World Snooker Championship) and see what the feedback is. There are a lot of editors who have worked on the 2020 World Championship article so I don't think it would be right to introduce such a change without seeking agreement. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Jamie Clarke wiki page

Hi Benny can you rename Jamie Clarke's homepage to Jamie Clarke instead of "Jamie Rhys Clarke". Rhys should not be included on the page at all. I do not know how to remove it, can you do this please ?. Regards 31.200.188.162 (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

There is a process for requesting page moves (i.e. renaming) at WP:RM. There is a talk page there too if you're not sure which category this would fit into. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:12, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Can you request it for me please ?. I think it looks stupid the way it is Rhys should be removed. Do you agree?. Regards 92.251.203.96 (talk) 10:26, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I think it's probably a good question to ask - but it has been asked before. It's certainly not a bold move anymore, it would have to go by RM. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:36, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Can you do this Lee  ?. I suggested this move years ago as he never used that name. Regards 92.251.220.150 (talk) 12:52, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Cuetracker

Hi Benny how are you ?. Is cuetracker still blacklisted ?. Can we get this lifted them have some great results of tournaments over there. They got blacklisted for errors in century breaks in team events because they cannot add them. Can we get it back as a source ?. Regards 92.251.220.244 (talk) 21:28, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't know enough about this, only that it's blacklisted. WT:SNOOKER is probably a better place to ask the question. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I would not bother they don't want it on here, my point is cuetracker is very good for tournament results. They had a few errors with prize money and minor stuff like that which is silly really. It should still be used really do you agree ?. 92.251.217.29 (talk) 16:08, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

No source is going to be perfect, but they include things like 1965 Womens Professional Snooker Championship (which I'm 99% certain never happened); and the form to contact them about issues has never worked for me. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:18, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)You would need quite a clear consensus to get such a thing. I don't really worry one way or the other, but asking a single editor to turn off the blacklist is quite futile. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Lee I asked for an opinion I did not ask him to change anything. Why don't you do something useful and mind your own business. I didn't ask for your opinion but you always involve yourself. 178.167.247.244 (talk) 18:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I regard the above comment at 18:40 as WP:UNCIVIL, and I don't appreciate it being added to this talk page. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

In the tournaments you are adding please stop putting the flags behind the players names

This should only be done in the first round ok ?. 178.167.247.244 (talk) 18:38, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Cliff Thorburn 1974 Championship

Can I ask why do you keep going on about this event ?. Does it really matter at the end of the day  ?. Why do you keep on about it ?. Regards-31.200.156.207 (talk) 18:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 September newsletter

The fourth round of the competition has finished, with 865 points being required to qualify for the final round, nearly twice as many points as last year. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants with 598 and 605 points being eliminated, and all but two of the contestants who reached the final round having achieved an FA during the round. The highest scorers were

• Bloom6132, with 1478 points gained mainly from 5 featured lists, 12 DYKs and 63 in the news items;
• HaEr48 with 1318 points gained mainly from 2 featured articles, 5 good articles and 8 DYKs;
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Between them, contestants achieved 14 featured articles, 14 featured lists, 2 featured pictures, 87 good articles, 90 DYK entries, 75 ITN entries, 95 featured article candidate reviews and 81 good article reviews. Congratulations to all who participated! It was a generally high-scoring and productive round and I think we can expect a highly competitive finish to the competition.

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List of 129 players for the new season on twitter.

Hi Benny. Phil Haigh has listed the 129 players on the list for next season including Hendry. Wattana did not receive an invitational tour card as I thought. But some people think he did and keep editing the page citing an edit war. Are you on twitter ?. How can I reference the tweet to the Wattana page to stop people changing it to falsely claim he is back on tour please ?. Regards 80.233.24.14 (talk) 17:23, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

October 2020 GAN Backlog drive!

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WikiCup 2020 November newsletter

The 2020 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round going down to the wire. Our new Champion is Lee Vilenski (submissions), the runner-up last year, who was closely followed by Gog the Mild (submissions). In the final round, Lee achieved 4 FAs and 30 GAs, mostly on cue sport topics, while Gog achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on important battles and wars, which earned him a high number of bonus points. The Rambling Man (submissions) was in third place with 4 FAs and 8 GAs on football topics, with Epicgenius (submissions) close behind with 19 GAs and 16 DYK's, his interest being the buildings of New York.

The other finalists were Hog Farm (submissions), HaEr48 (submissions), Harrias (submissions) and Bloom6132 (submissions). The final round was very productive, and besides 15 FAs, contestants achieved 75 FAC reviews, 88 GAs and 108 GAN reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

All those who reached the final will receive awards and the following special awards will be made, based on high performance in particular areas of content creation. So that the finalists do not have an undue advantage, these prizes are awarded to the competitor who scored the highest in any particular field in a single round, or in the event of a tie, to the overall leader in this field.

• Gog the Mild (submissions) wins the featured article prize, for a total of 14 FAs during the course of the competition.
• Bloom6132 (submissions) win the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in round 4.
• Rhododendrites (submissions) wins the featured picture prize, for 3 FPs in round 3 and 5 overall.
• Lee Vilenski (submissions) wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 23 FAC reviews in round 5.
• Epicgenius (submissions) wins the good article prize, for 45 GAs in round 2 and 113 overall.
• MPJ-DK (submissions) wins the topic prize, for 33 articles in good topics in round 2.
• The Rambling Man (submissions) wins the good article reviewer prize, for 100 good article reviews in round 2.
• Epicgenius (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 22 Did you know articles in round 4 and 94 overall.
• Bloom6132 (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 63 In the news articles in round 4 and 136 overall.

Next year's competition will begin on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; the WikiCup is open to all Wikipedians, both novices and experienced editors, and we hope to see you all in the 2021 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13, Sturmvogel 66, Vanamonde and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 11:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

1974 Canadian professional Championship

why did you remove this from Thorburn's page that is absolute bs. It is clearly not the pro am event from 1974 as that had a different score. Why didn't you just leave it alone ?. Independent events were staged back then no one else had a problem with it's inclusion. So why did you remove it  ?. 80.233.83.86 (talk) 18:06, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

Please discuss on the talk page there. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:29, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

We have talked on the talk page there everyone seemed happy to leave it in. I asked you a question here before did you find his World Masters win in Australia in 1974 or his Lada Snooker Tournament win in 1980 when he beat Higgins in the final ?. 31.200.164.235 (talk) 01:40, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

There is some coverage of the 1974 World Masters in Australian newspapers, probably enough for an article. Thorburn defeated John Spencer 160-67 in the final. (I assume that this is points not frames.) I'll have more of a look later. (Andygray110 - FYI). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:14, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Jamie Clarke wiki page

Hi Benny how are you ?. Can you get the Rhys removed from Jamie's homepage I find it terribly annoying as Rhys is not in his name or used at all. I do not know how to do this. Can you make it happen please ?. Regards 178.167.203.183 (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

My answer above still applies. I'm not happy requesting this change myself as I see him referred to as Jamie Rhys Clarke on BBC and Eurosport pages. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:10, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

He is never referred to non has he used that name 178.167.133.131 (talk) 13:21, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Pro-Am snooker

Hi there. FYI, the user behind this disruption is DooksFoley147‎ (talk · contribs), editing while logged out. Regards, _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 22:58, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

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Keep up the fantastic work. I'd like to see some FAs from you next year. Maybe one of these world women's snooker articles? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:14, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2021 March newsletter

Round 1 of the competition has finished; it was a high-scoring round with 21 contestants scoring more than 100 points. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 55 contestants qualifying. You will need to finish among the top thirty-two contestants in Round 2 if you are to qualify for Round 3. Our top scorers in Round 1 were:

• Epicgenius led the field with a featured article, nine good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 945 points.
• Bloom6132 was close behind with 896 points, largely gained from 71 "In the news" items, mostly recent deaths.
• ImaginesTigers, who has been editing Wikipedia for less than a year, was in third place with 711 points, much helped by bringing League of Legends to featured article status, exemplifying how bonus points can boost a contestant's score.
• Amakuru came next with 708 points, Kigali being another featured article that scored maximum bonus points.
• Ktin, new to the WikiCup, was in fifth place with 523 points, garnered from 15 DYKs and 34 "In the news" items.
• The Rambling Man scored 511 points, many from featured article candidate reviews and from football related DYKs.
• Gog the Mild, last year's runner-up, came next with 498 points, from a featured article and numerous featured article candidate reviews.
• Hog Farm, at 452, scored for a featured article, four good articles and a number of reviews.
• Le Panini, another newcomer to the WikiCup, scored 438 for a featured article and three good articles.
• Lee Vilenski, last year's champion, scored 332 points, from a featured article and various other sport-related topics.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start again from scratch. In Round 1, contestants achieved eight featured articles, three featured lists and one featured picture, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. They completed 97 good article reviews, nearly double the 52 good articles they claimed. Contestants also claimed for 135 featured article and featured list candidate reviews. There is no longer a requirement to mention your WikiCup participation when undertaking these reviews.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of Round 1 but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is a good article candidate, a featured process, or something else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:25, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Benny

Can you help me with a little tournament that was staged in China in 2019 if I give you the info I have please ?. You know how to find these events, I have no clue. Regards 92.251.250.3 (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, if you can give me the details you have, and it meets the criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia, I'll see what I can do. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:18, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ronnie, John Higgins, Marco Fu and Liang Wenbo played in a 4 man round robin event in Huizhou in China in 2019. Ronnie won his 3 group matches where each player played the other once to win the league format. It said the source was Weibo but I don't have a clue how you would check it out ?. I know you would be a good man for this stuff. I am looking to find results or who came second in the group ?. Regards 92.251.203.121 (talk) 23:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to have been covered even in Snooker Scene - I wonder if it was really an exhibition rather than a proper tournament? See here. Let me know if you do find any other details. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

It was the "Huizhou Challenge Exhibition", from 2019. Not a notable competition; and I did have a look through the sources I could find, and there is no real details, other than Higgins/O'Sullivan beat Fu/Wenbo 3-2 in a doubles match, and O'Sullivan won the three round robin matches. Hope that's of some help.Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:45, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Lee do you have results of the round robin matches where Ronnie won the league by any chance ?. It says Weibo was the source is there any way of using that guys ?. Many thanks 92.251.228.217 (talk) 02:09, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Sadly not. Weibo is like the Chinese facebook [2]. None of my usual sources have anything to say about it, so it's likely that someone in attendance, or the people who ran the exhibition shared it on there. It was broadcast on Zhibo.tv, which is an OTT streaming service in China; so there might be something on there, but I don't really have much info on the China only stuff! I'm not particularly convinced the Haining Open is notable. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:57, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2021 May newsletter

The second round of the 2021 WikiCup has now finished; it was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 61 points to advance to Round 3. There were some impressive efforts in the round, with the top eight contestants all scoring more than 400 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 110 good articles achieved in total by contestants, as well as the 216 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

Our top scorers in Round 2 were:

• The Rambling Man, with 2963 points from three featured articles, 20 featured article reviews, 37 good articles, 73 good article reviews, as well as 22 DYKs.
• Epicgenius, with 1718 points from one featured article, 29 good articles, 16 DYKs and plenty of bonus points.
• Bloom6132, with 990 points from 13 DYKs and 64 "In the news" items, mostly recent deaths.
• Hog Farm, with 834 points from two featured articles, five good articles, 14 featured article reviews and 15 good article reviews.
• Gog the Mild, with 524 points from two featured articles and four featured article reviews.
• Lee Vilenski, with 501 points from one featured article, three good articles, six featured article reviews and 25 good article reviews.
• Sammi Brie, with 485 points from four good articles, eight good article reviews and 27 DYKs, on US radio and television stations.
• Ktin, with 436 points from four good articles, seven DYKs and 11 "In the news" items.

Please remember that DYKs cannot be claimed until they have appeared on the main page. As we enter the third round, any content promoted after the end of Round 2 but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed now, and anything you forgot to claim in Round 2 cannot! Remember too, that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (except for at the end of each round, when you must claim them before the cut-off date/time). When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Judges: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:27, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Regal Scottish Masters 1995

Hi Benny I wanted to ask you how the player called Alan Burnett qualified to get a place in the 1995 Scottish Masters after the withdrawal of James Wattana. I was wondering how he was picked as the replacement as he was not a big name i found a source to explain his inclusion in the event.. 31.200.179.231 (talk) 12:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Championship League Snooker 2021/2022

Hi Benny how are you doing ?. Do you know if there will be a best of 5 frames final in the upcoming 128 man ranking event taking place in the Morningside arena in Leicester or will it just be decided by a group stage round-robin, do you have any idea ? Again there is very little to go in on the tournament. Cheers 31.200.154.125 (talk) 22:54, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

No idea. We'll have to wait and find out. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:56, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Cheers 178.167.247.140 (talk) 18:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

1985 Kit Kat Break for World Champions

Hello Benny how are you ?. I say the latest being discussed about dropping Kit Kat from the tournament name on a talk page. I know Kit Kat were sponsors but it would look absolutely pathetic to call the event "Break for World Champions". It makes no sense and looks absolutely stupid. Do you agree ?. People get too excited on here about trivial stuff.cheers 31.200.154.125 (talk) 23:02, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Best place to discuss this is at Talk:1985_Kit_Kat_Break_for_World_Champions#Requested_move_6_June_2021. See Wikipedia:Article titles. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:58, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I did see it but some people on hear don't like to hear other people's points of view. In your opinion would you keep the Kit-Kat in the title ?.178.167.247.140 (talk) 18:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Dooks, you have been told a million times to log in if you are going to use wikipedia. This is some pretty blatent WP:FORUMSHOPPING.

Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:55, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Terri Harper

Thanks for taking the time to start the review process, much appreciated. I'll work through your points over the next few days and give you a ping when I've completed them. – ².O.^Boxing 17:00, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

And thanks for all the cleanup and other improvements you've made in the past to articles I've created about boxers, Squared.Circle.Boxing. I'm expecting to learn from the review, so, as mentioned, happy to discuss or be challenged on any of my points. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:09, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

1989 Hong Kong Gold Cup final

Hi I would you to help me out please. This has been removed from Steve Davis tournament wins because the claim the source is not good enough. I have Eurosport coverage with Davis clinching the title on the clip with the winning margin of 6–3 against Alex Higgins shown on the video. I have also pointed out that the 1989 Hong Kong Gold Cup has its own page with sources but you have to register to view them. Benny I am sure that you produced a newspaper report from somewhere on this match saying Davis beat Alex Higgins 6–3. Would you be able to find that article for me when you get a chance please ?. It would help. Kind Regards T 80.233.81.94 (talk) 14:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

• That newspaper article does not have the result of the final. I've checked Snooker Scene, The Benson and Hedges Snooker Yearbook that covers that season, the Official 1990 Matchroom Snooker Special, the British Newspaper Archive, the Internet Archive, and several other newspaper databases and not found a result. I really don't think that event counts as notable. If that video was on an official Eurosport YouTube channel it might be OK, but it isn't on an official channel. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:58, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

I have found a link that nigej posted on this. He found an article from the Times on 4 September 1989 and it simply has the scoreline of the final of the Hong Kong Tournament Steve Davis 6–3 Alex Higgins and a few other pieces. So it is there OK. Can you take a look please ?. Thanks a lot mate. 178.167.154.158 (talk) 13:49, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

It's there - it doesn't use the phrase "Gold Cup", but as the description has "HONG KONG: International Tournament: Final" and has Davis 6-3 Higgins, seems fine to me. "title=For the record: snooker |work=The Times |location=London |date=4 September 1989 |page=39". Lee Vilenski FYI. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:16, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, seems good enough to me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

So Lee all this proves is that you would have deleted a perfectly good tournament win for Steve Davis because a YouTube video showing him winning the title from Eurosport footage was deemed not to be accepted. Do you think we could change the youtube video rules in the future in fairness because other low key non-ranking events may slip through the gap otherwise if that proves to be the only source ?. We all want to add all events that we can find not get rid of them. I am happy it was found 178.167.154.158 (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

I removed uncited material as per a consensus. No, we cannot change the rules on unreliable sources. We all want to add all events that we can find not get rid of them, no we should be adding information that meets our policies on WP:V and WP:OR. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:54, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

GAN Backlog Drive - July 2021

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WikiCup 2021 July newsletter

The third round of the 2021 WikiCup has now come to an end. Each of the sixteen contestants who made it into the fourth round had at least 294 points, and our top six scorers all had over 600 points. They were:

• The Rambling Man, with 1825 points from 3 featured articles, 44 featured article reviews, 14 good articles, 30 good article reviews and 10 DYKs. In addition, he completed a 34-article good topic on the EFL Championship play-offs.
• Epicgenius, a New York specialist, with 1083 points from 2 featured article reviews, 18 good articles, 30 DYKs and plenty of bonus points.
• Bloom6132, with 869 points from 11 DYKs, all with bonus points, and 54 "In the news" items, mostly covering people who had recently died.
• Gog the Mild, with 817 points from 3 featured articles on historic battles in Europe, 5 featured article reviews and 3 good articles.
• Hog Farm, with 659 points from 2 featured articles and 2 good articles on American Civil War battles, 18 featured article reviews, 2 good articles, 6 good article reviews and 4 DYKs.
• BennyOnTheLoose, a snooker specialist and new to the Cup, with 647 points from a featured article, 2 featured article reviews, 6 good articles, 6 good article reviews and 3 DYKs.

In round three, contestants achieved 19 featured articles, 7 featured lists, 106 featured article reviews, 72 good articles, 1 good topic, 62 good article reviews, 165 DYKs and 96 ITN items. We enter the fourth round with scores reset to zero; any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (one contestant in round 3 lost out because of this). When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Judges: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

A request

Hi BennyOnTheLoose, apologies for the random message. If you have time, I'd would be grateful if you could leave some comments here. Thank you. --Ashleyyoursmile! 16:16, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Proposed Women in Green Editathon

Hello BennyOnTheLoose -- With the goal of helping to progress the WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) women’s rights-themed GA nomination goal for 2021, I’m proposing that WiG hold a special editathon event in the fall (maybe October/November?). I can assist with logistics, but I need to know how much interest/support there might be from WiG participants first. Please let me know what you think in the talk page conversation! All the best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 01:46, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

International Park Drive Championship

Hello I would like to know why you decided to delete these events as you said it was talked about on the talkpage ?. I don't see anywhere on the talkpage where it said to remove them ?. Lots of tournaments are not sourced for other older players and the events are not removed so these events should remain the same. Older events will sometimes have no source but we are not going to remove events willy nilly. Regards 178.167.231.85 (talk) 13:02, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Please see WP:V. I mentioned it on the talkpage at Talk:Ray_Reardon#International_Park_Drive_Championship? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:24, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

If we can't source it, we shouldn't have it on the encyclopedia. Just because other pages have things unsourced, doesn't mean that this one should have as well. Please read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I've double checked Snooker Scene for the whole of 1974 and the start of 1975 and there is no reference at all to these, even though the magazine covered many small tournaments and even reported on some money matches. Unless there is any evidence that these events happened, I'll remove them in the next day or so. As per WP:V mentioned above, Wikipedia "content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of editors. Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it". I'll copy the conversation here to the talkpage there, too. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:40, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

There is coverage on Fouldys frames of the third final in this using ITV footage.it was played in the Cooksworty Mens club in Sheffield in 1974 80.233.21.76 (talk) 20:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

This should be discussed on the article talk page, not here. It would be easier to maintain a discussion if you would log in rather than keep using different IP addresses to edit. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:00, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Other editiors were going to delete the 1989 Hong Kong Gold Cup because it was using Eurosport footage on YouTube. Some wanted to delete it leaving Steve Davis incorrectly on 83 titles until I remembered a source to prove he had won 84 titles. People should not be so quick to delete titles off here just because they are not sourced does not mean they did not take place. These are old events it is sometimes very hard or the odd time impossible to find information. I hope this helps Benny 80.233.21.76 (talk) 21:02, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

You seem to have a completely warped view of how Wikipedia works. It simply isn't where we put things we think are true. You can't just link to copyrighted YouTube videos and suggest we use that, nor retain information we cannot cite. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:14, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

No I have a crystal clear view of how it works actually, and I remember now it was you that removed Steve Davis title of the 1989 Hong Kong Gold Cup win from his homepage which would have left him on 83 career titles and I actually sought for it to be included which it was and rightly so. Or we would have the wrong number of career titles for Steve Davis. Wikipedia is like life sometimes it is not always black and white. 80.233.21.76 (talk) 21:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

It was removed because when I was reviewing the Steve Davis page, I pointed out that the information was not verified. Once we had a reliable source available, the event was added back. To repeat what I copied from a Wikipedia policy above, "Even if you are sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:46, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

1983 World Snooker Championship

Hello Benny, there appears to be a problem introduced by your recent edits to 1983 World Snooker Championship. The named reference "ALM19" is showing a "defined multiple times with different content" error. Looks like different page numbers given for the entries. Could you take a look? Regards. Keith D (talk) 11:58, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Keith D, thanks for letting me know. I think I've fixed it now. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks, looks as that fixes problem. Keith D (talk) 12:26, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

CP listing on August 23

Your intuitions were correct, but i'm glad that you checked regardless. It was a backwards copy, you are free to nominate for GA with no problems regarding copyright. Thank you and good luck! :) Sennecaster (Chat) 02:38, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 September newsletter

The fourth round of the competition has finished with over 500 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants, The Rambling Man and Epicgenius, each scoring over 3000 points, and six contestants scoring over 1000. All but one of the finalists achieved one or more FAs during the round, the exception being Bloom6132 who demonstrated that 61 "in the news" items produces an impressive number of points. Other contestants who made it to the final are Gog the Mild, Lee Vilenski, BennyOnTheLoose, Amakuru and Hog Farm. However, all their points are now swept away and everyone starts afresh in the final round.

Round 4 saw the achievement of 18 featured articles and 157 good articles. Bilorv scored for a 25-article good topic on Black Mirror but narrowly missed out on qualifying for the final round. There was enthusiasm for FARs, with 89 being performed, and there were 63 GARs and around 100 DYKs during the round. As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it to the final round; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For other contestants, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

If you are concerned that your nomination, whether it be for a good article, a featured process, or anything else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Strafford Professional 1970

Hi Benny how are you doing ?. I noticed in the Strafford Professional 1970 it said Gary Owen beat the title holder who was Ray Reardon, this implies that there was a possible Strafford Professional in 1969 that Reardon won. Can you check this out for me please ?. Regards 92.251.158.230 (talk) 21:10, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) That newspaper article is referring to the fact Reardon was world champion at the time, not that there was a previous tournament. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Firstly i was asking benny a question, secondly is there an source available where i can see this article referring to Reardon as champion ?. Finally more importantly i don't know why or like the fact that you called me a page watcher/stalker in your reply. As i said i was just asking a question. 92.251.168.42 (talk) 22:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

That is the source, I am telling you what the source says. I also have access to the British Newspaper Archive. The article specifically says that he defeated Reardon, who was the world champion, not that there was a 1969 champion. I am a talk page watcher, which is why I denote such a thing in my reply. I would not feel comfortable quoting what is actually said in the article to Wikipedia due to our copyright rules. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:56, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Walter Donaldson (snooker player)

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Walter Donaldson (snooker player) has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Congratulations on taking the article to GA status.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:03, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Many thanks for this, Twofingered Typist. It is much appreciated. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Help to Move Draft:Ganeshamangalam to MainSpace Article

Hello:

I would like to request a change of Draft article Draft:Ganeshamangalam to MainSpace Article from you. Can you do it? As because of experienced wikipedia editor for 2 years, well user, i am requesting you to move it after checking all the errors and mistakes in Draft:Ganeshamangalam

Regards

Xavier 500.30.10 (talk) 16:37, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

question for you about new events

Hi Benny i would like to talk to you about adding possible non-ranking events that i have heard about. Can you hit me back when you can please and i will explain all. Thank you 178.167.194.229 (talk) 18:08, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Benny are you there please ?. 92.251.174.44 (talk) 12:16, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

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20-minute article assessment volunteers

Hi BennyOnTheLoose -- I'm just checking in with volunteers for the WiG Good Article Editathon (starting tomorrow!). Are you still set to help out with the 20-minute article assessments? You can watchlist the requests page here. Basic plan: as requests come in, volunteers will mark the request as "in progress," leave their comments on the talk page of the article, then mark the request as "done". We'll be aiming to identify any major issues in articles and suggest priorities for the editor to work on. If you have any questions/concerns, just let me know. Best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 18:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Alanna the Brave, I'm still keen on helping out, and have watchlisted that page. I'll also look to do some GA reviews, and hopefully nominate an article or two myself. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:30, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Fabulous! Thank you. :-) Alanna the Brave (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Quick assessment

An editor has placed a Notability template on Ffion Davies, an article I started about a jiu-jitsu female world champion. I have pinged him with no success. Would you mind taking a look at the discussion and either remove of leave the template. Thank you! Lewolka (talk) 12:36, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Ranking points

I notice that you added some stuff to Snooker world rankings 1984/1985 awhile back. I've been adding to 1982 International Open and that got me trying to understand the ranking system at the time. Up to 1982 they used a 3 year system based on the World Championships (5,4,3,2,1). The list at Snooker world rankings 1982/1983 makes some sense. The first tie-breaker seems to be the most points in the most recent WC (1982 World Snooker Championship in that case), explaining eg the Charlton (3 points), Stevens (2), Mountjoy (1) order (each had a total of 6 points). Higgins (10) should be ahead of Reardon (9) but he was docked 2 points. For Snooker world rankings 1983/1984 we've got the two extra events. I notice in Snooker world rankings 1984/1985 that it says "Points for World Championship finishes were now worth double" but it seems that it was only the 1983 World Snooker Championship that got double points, not 1982 and 1981. The rankings at Snooker world rankings 1983/1984 then make sense: 4 events worth up to 5 points and 1 event with double points. The first tie-breaker is points in the 1983 WC, the second tie-breaker seems to be the number of frames won in the match they lost in the 1983 WC (eg Knowles/Higgins both 13 total points, both 3 points in 1983 WC, Knowles lost 15-16 in the semis, Higgins 5-16, so Knowles gets 4th place, Higgins 5th). Don't expect a reply just needed to write it down somewhere and thought you might be interested too. Nigej (talk) 15:32, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nigej. Fantastic work on the infoboxes, thanks. You're right that I'm interested in rankings - I spent many hours in the late 80s poring over the ranking lists. An example probably helps! Let's look at Davis. You're right that 1981 and 1982 weren't increased to double points.

For 1983/84, Davis had 17 points. (2 from Jameson; 0 from PPT; 5 + 0 + 10 from World Championship. Higgins received 5 points as 1982 World Champion).

For 1984/85, Davis had 32 points and 0.5 merit points (2 + 5 from Jameson; 0 + .5merit from PPT; 5 from Lada; and 0 + 10 +10 from World Championship).

I'll populate some more ranking articles in future, from Snooker Scene and/or the Benson and Hedges Snooker Year books. But I still don't know why for 1984/85 Parrott (5 points & 0.5 merits) was above Wildman (5 points and 2 merits) - only reason I can guess is that it's because Parrott got his ranking points in a single season. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 20:24, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I think that would very useful. The articles like Snooker world rankings 1983/1984 are terribly dull at the moment. They need this sort of information in them even if we don't know 100% of the details (eg the tie-breaker rules). Nigej (talk) 21:02, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

I've added tables to the ranking articles up to Snooker world rankings 1983/1984. I'm hoping you'll add some reference sometime. A few issue come up. For 1983/84 the list we have for the players with 0 points, from 29 to 32, differs from that in https://web.archive.org/web/20120608214119/http://www.cajt.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/HistoricRank1.html and probably comes from cuetracker. However I'm thinking the current one may be correct. When Mike Hallett beat Steve Davis in the 1983 Professional Players Tournament he was referred to as "32nd ranked" (https://www.newspapers.com/clip/90087277/evening-standard/) although other articles by Clive Everton say he was ranked 31. For 1984/85 I even more confused. Immediately after the 1984 world championship rankings were published in the press: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/90087001/evening-standard/ https://www.newspapers.com/clip/90086960/the-guardian/ where the tie-breaker was the performance in the 1984 WC. This put Dennis Taylor ahead of Meo, Parrott at 20 (presumably Wildman at 21), Foulds "moves up to 25" (as the only one of the 2-pointers to reach the last-16). No mention of merit points. Presumably merit points came in at some point and the ties were changed. When this happened is not clear to me, but presumably when it did happen someone made a mistake and left Parrott ahead of Wildman. Nigej (talk) 20:48, 5 December 2021 (UTC)

I've added a table to Snooker world rankings 1984/1985 as well. Perhaps you can compare that to your information. Nigej (talk) 11:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

For 1981/82, the CueTracker book has Higgins ranked 11th, as does snooker.org. He was the 11th seed for the 1982 World Snooker Championship. However, Snooker Scene for June 1981 has him ranked 10th, with 5 points; (7, less 2 deducted for "ungentlemanly behaviour" on 24 February 1981). Turner's site also has him 10th. Any ideas, Nigej? BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:44, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

I hadn't meant to change the order! Should be able to find a reference for Higgins 2 point deduction. Since the tie-breaker seems to have been the 1981 World Snooker Championship it would make sense to have Kirk before Alex, since Kirk lost 13-11 and Alex 13-8 in the last-16 matches. A Clive Everton article from 2 Dec 1981 says "Higgins now 11th in the official WPBSA world rankings". Nigej (talk) 19:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Wondering whether Higgins was docked 2 points in Snooker world rankings 1983/1984 too? Difficult to tell without knowing the points since he'd be 5th either way I think. Nigej (talk) 20:37, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

He was, but, as you say, it made no difference to the standings. There seems to be something odd with the snooker.org list - it misses numbers 24 and 27. I've amended the article's list per Snooker Scene. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:02, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Nigej, for Snooker world rankings 1984/1985 and others where merit points are involved, how about either having merit points in parentheses, and/or a different background colour for world championships? (Using both might be overkill.) I find it a bit difficult to work out at the moment. I think the total columns should probably also be formatted differently, perhaps with bold? Samples below. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

A Snooker Scene article for August 1986, titled "Is the official system needlessly confusing" notes that it took the WPBSA more than a month after the world championship to get the rankings out, and that "So complex are its conditions, so nervous was the WPBSA of making a mistake that its solicitors were involved in its finalisation." Perhaps not suprrising that it's difficult for us to understand the system. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 11:51, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Ranking	Name	1982 WC	1982 IO	1982 PPT	1983 WC	1983 IO	1983 PPT	1984 Cl	1984 WC	Total	Merit points
1	Steve Davis (ENG)	0	2	–	10	5	(0.5)	5	10	32	(0.5)
2	Tony Knowles (ENG)	2	5	(0.5)	6	1	5	2	0	21	(0.5)

Ranking	Name	1982 WC	1982 IO	1982 PPT	1983 WC	1983 IO	1983 PPT	1984 Cl	1984 WC	Total	Merit points
1	Steve Davis (ENG)	0	2	–	10	5	(0.5)	5	10	32	(0.5)
2	Tony Knowles (ENG)	2	5	(0.5)	6	1	5	2	0	21	(0.5)

One issue to aware of is MOS:COLOR which says "Especially, do not use colored text or background unless its status is also indicated using another method ...". This generally means that we need a symbol too to meet this rule. see Triple Crown (snooker)#Tournament winners. Perhaps we can get away with a symbol in the header. The same could apply to the bold text. I'm assuming the brackets would be ok. Lee's more an expert on these issues than I am. Nigej (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

- speak my name three times, and I shall appear. Indeed, Nigej is bang on the money. Although, as this is just one event, simply add a †, and have done with it. You'll need a key for the table. Might I suggest that rather than "1994 IO" as a header, you have a top header for the years. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:59, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Amended to parentheses for merit points. Sort was a bit eccentric; it seems to work for me if the data is treated as text, but let me know if you find any issues. I had a look at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Tables and saw a snooker example there, but I'm not sure it's that great as it has colours which aren't explained, sorts by full name rather than surname (in fact, if I click sort by name a couple of times I get some strange and inconsistent orderings), can be sorted by ref., and doesn't use flagathlete. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

I've added a table for Snooker world rankings 1985/1986. I can extend it further (beyond 55) if you think it's worthwhile. As previously it sort of makes sense. I gathered somewhere that Silvino Francisco was docked 2 points but it didn't seem to affect his position. A few mysteries Tony Meo ahead of Willie Thorne. Also Parrott again and Neal Foulds. I wondering whether the new pro were given merit points based on performances as amateurs (although wouldn't account for Meo). Of course I might have made mistakes. Nigej (talk) 17:52, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I'd love the table completed, but I struggle with doing them. Weirdly, neither Snooker Scene or the 1986/86 Rothmans Snooker Yearbook includes merit points, except in totals. (I assume the Rothmans list is a copy and paste of the Snooker Scene one.) They have Davis with 1.5 merit points, Thorburn and Knowles with 2 each, and other discrepancies with "your" list, but I believe yours is correct. I added a bit to the article about how positions were determined, which I hope makes sense. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:23, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

'Ill add to the table tomorrow if I can. I'm wondering now whether the rule about winning one match to get merit points might have been dropped at some stage. Such a change would only affect the top-16 players in certain events, where they got a bye to the last-32, but might perhaps explain why Meo is ahead of Thorne (although I've not done the sums yet). Maybe not, since they's no obvious way to get Davis to 1.5 or Thorburn to 2, even with that change. It wouldn't explain the Parrott situation anyway. Nigej (talk) 21:57, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

I've got something ready for Snooker world rankings 1986/1987. As regarding ranking points they reduced it to a 2-year system, so 12 events (6+6). Points from 84/85 were retained. For 85/86 they changed the system to give points from the last-32 stage, mainly because the leading players started at the last-64 stage (except for the WC). For 5 of the ranking events they used a 6-5-4-3-2-1 system. For the WC they seemed to have used a 10-8-6-4-2-1 system (1 point only for those outside the top-16, who had to win at least 1 match). This gives a good fit to the rankings we have. As ever the tie-breakers are not clear. It seem perhaps that the first tie-breaker was total points in 85/86 (Meo ahead of Silvino, Williams ahead of Parrott). I can't tell whether merit points were still being used (or even whether any were give in 85/86) but maybe that was still used as a tie-breaker. Nigej (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Excellent. Apparently for 1986/87: "where there is an equality of ranking points, performances in the immediately preceding season ... decide the placing. Only if these too are equal are merit points taken into account ... If a player has no ranking points and his merit points are thus his primary points, secondary factors (like 'A' points and frames won) come into the reckoning only if performances in 1985-86 are equal." (Snooker Scene, July 1986) "A points" are not defined there, so I'll see if I can find them. Peter Francisco has one from the 1985 Goya, and Marcel Gauvreau has 4, one from each 1986-86 ranking event, except the Mercantile Credit Classic and the World Championship. Also unexplained, but in line with the mysterious merit points in the previous year's table in the magazine, Davis is listed as having 3 ranking and half a merit point from the 1984 Rothmans, and 3 Ranking and half a merit from the 1985 British Open. I have no idea why. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Oh boy. Snooker Scene July 1984 reports that "The WPBSA have ruled that players who have won qualifying groups in ranking competitions and progressed further than the first round proper should receive both ranking and merit points." Changes as a result: Meo to 10th and Dennis Taylor to 11th; Reynolds to 22, Wilson to 23; Fagan to 37 and Scott to 38. I think Fagan and Scott are to be swapped in the current article version. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

A lot to take in. Perhaps I'll put a table in for starters without merit points at all. Nigej (talk) 19:03, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

We knew before that if you had to play at least 1 match to get to last-32 you got a merit point (half or one) but it seems that if you then won and reached the last-16 you not only got a ranking point (maybe more) but you kept the merit point. The same applied to the top players if they had to start at the last-64 stage (in 85/86 that was 5 of the 6 events). They also got a merit point (half or one) for reaching the last-32 (which I knew before) and they also kept that even if they progressed further (which I hadn't added in before). Bit of work for me to do to my spreadsheet. Nigej (talk) 19:44, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Or maybe I'm all wrong. Still can't really understand it yet. Nigej (talk) 19:50, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

I've updated Snooker world rankings 1984/1985 based on the new merit point rule. Currently I've simply added a "+" to indicate that the player got merit points (half or one) in addition to the ranking points but I can easily change that to any other style. In some ways it's easier with the new rule. In the WC all 16 qualifiers got a merit point (so 16 in total), in the PPT all 32 first round winners got half a merit point (so 32*0.5=16 in total) and in the other 3 events, all the 16 qualifiers to the last-32 stage got half a merit point (so 8 in total). So I've got a total of 3*16+2*16+3*8=104 merit points in addition to the 310 ranking point total (2*62+6*31). 4 differences from the numbers you put in: Virgo I've got 2.5 not 1.5, Wilson 4 not 2, Hallett 4.5 not 2.5 and Watterson 2 not 3. Pretty good I think, considering the chances of making mistakes somewhere along the line. I haven't changed the order of the players, feel free to do so. Still something of mystery there. Nigej (talk) 08:05, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

I've also updated Snooker world rankings 1985/1986 on the same basis, i.e. you got merit points if you got to the last-32 stage by winning at least one match (ie you started at the last-64/last-48 or earlier) but I've no idea whether that's the way the system worked. Nigej (talk) 13:06, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Yes, merit points if "you got to the last-32 stage by winning at least one match" - the qualifying is typically referred to in sources at the time as groups, whereas later sources generally just show results or a draw. (E.g. for 1984 World Championship: Parrott, D. Hughes, Everton and Mans were "Qualifying Group 1".) Some of the points discrepancies are my failed transcriptions: Snooker Scene has 4 merit points for Wilson and 2 for Watterson as per your calculations. For Hallett it has 4, and 1.5 for Virgo. Looking at the following year's rankings in the B&H yearbook, for the single season 1984/85, Hallett and Virgo both have 3 from that year; Hallett missing out only at the International Open, and Virgo missing out only at the UK. I think we are justified in using your calculations and ignoring typos/errors in sources. I added merit points in brackets to Snooker world rankings 1985/1986 which I think looks OK, but I've not changed any other year until we agree, or a consensus forms. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 18:51, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

With my default settings I get a large amount of "wrapping". It's OK If I drop to 90% character size or even change "Ranking" to "Rank". The trouble for me is that when it does wrap, pretty much every line wraps and the table is very difficult to read. Perhaps @Lee Vilenski: could comment. Per discussion above I'm wondering whether A points are Amateur points since they mostly seem to be given to fairly new pros. Mind you this still doesn't explain how Meo's ahead of Thorne, so still some mysteries to solve. Nigej (talk) 20:21, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Trying to work out what A points were for. It seems they were first awarded in 1985-86. In my sample, Peter Francisco (85 Goya), Steve Longworth (86 Classic), Jim Wych (85 GP), Duggan (85 UK and 86 Classic), Marcel Gauvreau (85 Goya, GP, UK; 86 British Open), Steve Newbury (86 Classic), Warren King (85 GP, 86 British Open) and Patsy Fagan (85 GP, 86 Classic & WC) all got A points for losing their first match in the last 96! Drago got his A point from the 86 WC, where he won one match before losing in the last 96. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:34, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Nigej. From Ian Morrisons's Snooker: Records, Facts and Champions (published 1989, includes 1989 world championship results):

"The number of raanking tournaments was increased to six in the 1984-5 season and at the end of that season the point system was restructured into its present format which is as follows" (pp.120-121)

World championship

Losers in pre-preliminary rounds - number of frames won

Round 1 losers - 1 A point

Round 2 Losers - 1 Merit point

Round 3 Losers - 1 Merit points

Round 4 losers (last 32) - 1 ranking point or 2 merit points (merit is if exempted to this stage)

Round 5 losers (last 16) - 2 ranking pointss

(then up to 10 points for winners)

Other tournaments

Round 1 losers - number of frames won

Round 2 Losers - 1 A point

Round 3 Losers - 1 Merit point

Round 4 losers (last 32) - 1 ranking point

Round 5 losers (last 16) - 2 ranking pointss

(then up to 6 for winners)

If level on ranking, merit, A and frames, then player with most merit points in the latest season gets the higher position; if still equal then most A points in last season; if still equal then most frames in last season; is still equal, best performance in most recent world championship; then going back to previous ranking tournaments until order established. Regards BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 01:49, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Wrong infobox

I've been tidying up the snooker infoboxes and I notice that for 1961 Women's Amateur Snooker Championship and 1962 Women's Amateur Snooker Championship we are using {{Infobox snooker tournament}} rather than {{Infobox individual snooker tournament}} which is more appropriate for these sort of articles. If you switch you'll have to remove the "establishment" parameter which won't work (add in the text perhaps) but parameters like "dates" will work. There are some bizarre differences between two like "logo" for "image". When editing you now get a list of invalid parameters at the top which can help. I can have a go if you prefer. Nigej (talk) 15:55, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nigej, thanks for the great work on the infoboxes. I've had a go at changing them for these two articles. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:27, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

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Something seems to have gone wrong since the bot left me this message on my user talk page in rather stark contrast to your edits. I'm guessing some manual fixes will have to be made, such as adding the {{good article}} icon to the article itself. The optics of me doing that myself are not great, so I would appreciate if you could do it. Thank you for reviewing the article! TompaDompa (talk) 09:15, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

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Those are really nice edits for "All Along the Watchtower". I've started to fill in the cite requests which you can double check when its convenient, and the newly re-edited Legacy section look good. I've also moved the cites in the lead section out of the lead section and into the main article. Let me know if it looks ok, and any edits can be updated as to what you think is best for the article. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:35, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi ErnestKrause, and thanks for the open invitation to collaborate on the article. I'll add a couple of lines to the background for Dylan's version, and will look in a few more sources that I have for anything else to include. I can probably dig out some reviews from 1968 for Hendrix's version if you think that would be useful. Regards, 15:42, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Just noticed your comment since I happened to be on line. Those extra reviews for both versions sounds really good. It would be useful for both artists. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:51, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@ErnestKrause: I didn't find much! Have a look at the top of User:BennyOnTheLoose/sandbox2 and see if there's anything you want to use. I think they are all from local papers, except the later article from the Financial Times (which is a UK national title). I suppose there just wasn't as much coverage of music in newspapers back in the 60's. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:44, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm still on line, and have put some copy edits into your quotes in your sandbox. The Hendrix quotes are really good; my thoughts are that they might organize neatly under the emphasis that reviewers have stated on how Hendrix redid Dylan's harmonica riffs for his own version of virtuoso riffs on his electric guitar. All those cites fit in pretty nicely for adding in. The Dylan quotes are also interesting and dramatic though I don't know where those quotes came from in the Goldstein comments (is he quoting himself and for some reason using quote marks). The interesting part is to see how they might fit into the theme of Dylan liking the Hendrix version so much. I think they could all be added in constructively. The article is starting to look as if its in better shape than most Wikipedia song articles at peer review level, and maybe you have some thoughts if it looks like it might be better for a possible nomination at GAN or at FAC. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:22, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@ErnestKrause: I haven't been able to track down the original Goldstein comments. They appear in the other article but not as a direct quote; I might do an "according to" attribution. (Most of the other items in that section of my sandbox are already included under "Critical reception" in the article.) I think we should be OK for a GA nomination soon. Thanks! Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:33, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

'According to' sounds good for this. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

@ErnestKrause: The Goldstein article was in The Village Voice, but a snippet from another source says that he misheard the lyrics, so best to omit this unless I get hold of the original, or find a bit more out about it. I'm hoping to add a line or two about Dylan's live performances - his first live performance was on the tour that the Before The Flood album comes from. Other than that, there's probably enough Dylan content in the article now, but let me know if you think anything is lacking, and feel free to copyedit. The lead could do with a bit of polishing, but I usually leave that til last anyway. (Where Are You Tonight? (Journey Through Dark Heat) had a very thorough GA review, so that might give us some pointers about more lead content, e.g. producers, theme, reception; I think a mention of the impact of the Hendrix recording on Dylan's performances should be in the lead too. I haven't got either of the books mentioned in "Further Reading" so would rather delete them unless you know they are particularly relevant; there are already quite a few books in the bibliography. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm about to sign off for tonight though you might enjoy reading Dylan's reaction to Goldstein here: [3]. Your idea to polish up the lead section into something like what appears in Where Are You Tonight, sounds like a good idea and if you would like to give it a try, then I'll return to do copy edits tomorrow when I sign in. The significant thing to add I think would be the high regard which Dylan came to have for the Hendrix version, especially after the eighties and nineties. The article really has a nice look now after your edits during the day, and looks better than what I usually see for GAN articles. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:00, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@ErnestKrause: I've added the bits I wanted to. There are a couple of citations needed, then it's probably about OK for a GA nomination. (Although I can give it a final read-through for things like reference formats etc.) I got a bit of a shock when I checked the page in Earwig's Copyvio Detector, but it looks like the top match has copied from Wikipedia rather than the other way round. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:08, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Both of those cite requests were for the same article by Jacob for American Songwriter. Your additions to the lead section looked very good and I've gone with a 2 paragraph version for the lead section; you can change back if you like the 3 paragraph version. I'm not a stickler for claiming sole credit for this and if you would like to get credit for this GAN, then I could list it as a co-nomination. Let me know if this works for you. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:32, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

@ErnestKrause: Yes, I'd like to be a co-nominator, please. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:52, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

I've just updated the note for the nomination and your name should come up as a co-nomination when the buffers for GAN are updated. There is also a editor drive for GAN nominations and I'll try to do your Red Pony nom for the editor drive request. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Nice going so far with those responses at GAN for Watchtower; I'll look forward to see your next set of edits. I'm thinking that I may have found the cover for the singles release here if you can figure out getting it into Wikimedia: [4]. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure that site meets the reliable sources guidelines. It seems to be based on user-generated content with minimal editorial oversight ("Our moderation team will review the story within 24 hours, and if it meets all of our community guidelines, they'll publish it on the most applicable community.") Perhaps we can ask on the Bob Dylan talk page if anyone knows a good source for European single releases. I'm going out today so won't be online for a while, but should be able to tick off some more of the review points later. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:55, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'm also sensitive to using only reliable sources. What do you think of the idea to not use that website but to only extract the cover from it for loading into the article? Since the record label owns the cover art, then fair use could attribute the cover straight to the record label. What do you think? ErnestKrause (talk) 13:59, 3 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm also finding a second use of the cover sleeve image on discogs here: [5]. Since the sleeve cover image is a match between these two websites, maybe you can bring one of them into Wikimedia for use in the article? ErnestKrause (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Also, here is the cover for the single in the German release here: [6]. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

@ErnestKrause: Sorry for the delay in replying. To my surprise and disappointment, I still haven't found a reliable source to say that the single was released in the Netherlands and Germany. Probably best to seek advice from K.Peake how to proceed now. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 15:58, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

No problem if you want to give him the 3 links I linked above to see if he has insights here. Here is another link from the rateyourmusic website which seems to give some specific dates for the singles cover: [7]. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm now thinking its ready to go back to K.Peake the reviewer. After you check it over, you can ping him with any questions left over, and say its ready for the next set of review comments. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

That was nice cover art you added from the Netherlands for Watchtower. The GAN seemed to go fairly well once it started. Given the extensive upgrades during GAN, possibly its worth thinking about eventually nominating it for FAC in a few months. I've just nominated the music group BTS at FAC and thought to ask if you might have some review comments on the group or any of their songs which you might add in at FAC. For the Watchtower article upgrades, I've just discovered that there was also a promotional single which came out in Japan in 1978 with its own version of the cover art. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:47, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

I'd definitely be up for a future FAC nomination, but I think some expansion would be needed first. With there being over 800 books in English about Dylan (link), I'm not yet ready to claim that the article "is a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature". The prose is probably not up to FA standards either. But I'll add to the article as I come across new relevant material, and let's catch up again. Regards BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

That sounds good. Maybe catch up some time next month or something like that. Here is the link for the 1978 Japanese release of the Watchtower single here: [8]. Regarding your comment on being thorough for a featured article, maybe some of your Dylan contacts on Wikipedia might have some thoughts if you drop them a comment about the successful GAN. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:45, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Re the page 'Waverley MallWaverley Market'

This redirect page Waverley MallWaverley Market was created when I messed up a page move. Nothing's linking to it thankfully, so I guess it can be deleted. KaraLG84 (talk) 18:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

@KaraLG84: I've tagged that page, to ask that it is deleted. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:43, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@BennyOnTheLoose Thanks. KaraLG84 (talk) 22:27, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Your copy edit request: Ray Reardon

Hello BennyOnTheLoose, I tended to your copy/edit request of the article "Ray Reardon" and found it to be mostly very well written, organized and clear. I made some relatively minor sentence structure improvements for a better flow on some longer, bumpy sentences. I inserted some comments in the text^{[as superscript to stand out for you]} where I think a little more clarity is needed, so before you submit for FA you might want to circle back and address those. Things like you list the age in parens of some players, but not all, it would be nice to have it be consistent. Also - one paragraph refers to a town "from that town" but "that town" is not mentioned anywhere in the current H1 section so it would be best to state it by name. Lastly, one instance of him "regaining "the" title but it's not clear which title as there are a few mentioned in the article. Other than those small things, the article was nicely done. The Real Serena Joy^Talk 18:51, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

@TheRealSerenaJoy: Many thanks for this. I'll have a look at the issues mentioned above. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 19:24, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 November newsletter

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Thank you today for 1988 World Snooker Championship, "about the 1988 World Snooker Championship, won by Steve Davis, who became the first player to complete snooker's Triple Crown in a single season. (Although the Triple Crown wasn't actually a thing back then.) The most exciting match of the tournament was the first of what turned out to be seven Crucible clashes between Jimmy White and Stephen Hendry, with White winning the deciding frame."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

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July 2022

One month moves on and I've given some further thought to moving All Along the Watcchtower towards FAC; do you have any interest to share notes on this in July? ErnestKrause (talk) 22:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)

Hi ErnestKrause. From the Dylan side, there are a couple of sources that I'll have a look at: Hampton's Bob Dylan: How the Songs Work, and Gray's Song and Dance Man III: The Art of Bob Dylan. I've actually already got my next joint FAC nomination lined up, so how about we put "All Along the Watchtower" into Peer review for now? If there's anything specific that you've identified that needs improvement, let me know. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 08:56, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

After you add those couple of sources that you mention that you have found, then a Peer review might be a good thought; especially if you might have someone in mind to do the Peer review after it is posted and they are ok with doing it. Regarding the Dylan side of things, I've noticed that there is the FA for "Like a Rolling Stone" and looking at might give some ideas for things to do and add to the "All Along the Watchtower article. Let me know when your time frame might allow for getting back to this article and if it sounds interesting. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:13, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

I've received the notification for the peer review you listed. It might be worth pinging some Dylan editors who you might know to pick up on the peer review, since my previous attempts to get the Hendrix editors involved didn't work out. I can start looking through the books cited in the FA for Like a Rolling Stone to see if there are any ideas in those books for this article as well. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:40, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Thanks ErnestKrause. "Watching the River Flow" was promoted in 2017, which is a few years after "Like a Rolling Stone" was, so that might be another one to take into consideration. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 07:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

Short update. Still no peer review takers though Ojorojo has made some interesting comments on his Talk page. I've gone through the recent Larry Starr book Listening to Bob Dylan (2021) with the following interesting passage on the live performances of Watchtower where he states, p107, that there are three prominent versions of the song in his opinion; The studio version on the 1967 album, the released concert version of Before the Flood from 1974, and the later released concert version from MTV Unplugged in 1994. Starr states that "...'Watchtower' is a brief, compelling, and mysterious song. Its ominous character is captured memorably in the studio version, which utilizes for accompaniment just Dylan's guitar and harmonica... The singing is utterly straightforward, as if recounting a simple parable about the nameless joker and thief; Dylan is not about to disclose a hint of any deeper meaning...". I've also looked at about a half dozen of the older bios about Dylan and most seem to miss out on covering anything about Watchtower. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:48, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Some end of month updates. Karst has left some useful comments on his Talk page here: [9]. This was after you ended the peer review. If you would like to bring in any of Karst's comments and cites then it looks ok to do that prior to FAC nomination. Any thoughts about the preferred timing to do a nomination maybe this month or next month? ErnestKrause (talk) 14:01, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

ErnestKrause I've still got a couple of sources to check to see if there's more about the music; I'll try and cover these in the next few days. The article could do with a good copy edit too - might be worth sending it to WP:GOCE, particularly as they have a Backlog elimination drive on in September. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 00:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

That sounds like a good approach. The last time I requested GOCE, it had taken 8-9 weeks. Maybe it will be a little quicker this time around. ErnestKrause (talk) 13:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

ErnestKrause I had a look at these and I don't see anything in them that's a significant omission from the article:

• Williams, Paul (2004) [1990]. Bob Dylan: performing artist. 1960–1973 the early years.
• Margotin, Philippe; Guedson, Jean-Michel (2022). Bob Dylan All the Songs: The Story Behind Every Track (Expanded ed.)
• Gray, Michael (2002). Song and Dance Man III: The Art of Bob Dylan.
• Yaffe, David (2011). Like a Complete Unknown.

Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 09:56, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

The coordinators at FAC cannot seem to find in your comments if you are supporting or opposing the current Hanyu nomination; possibly you could add a comment for your support/oppose on the review page at FAC regarding the Hanyu Olympics article. The coordinators are requesting some indication of Support/Oppose from the reviewers within the next couple of days if its possible for you. ErnestKrause (talk) 12:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

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Billiards and snooker at the Southeast Asian Games

I noticed you edited the Southeast Asian Games, thank you, I am formerly Leed Andrew before I changed my username, I have edited most of the page, it seems you have found information pre 2005, there are many years including 1987, 1991, 1993, 1995, 1997, 1999, 2001 and 2003 that are missing some gaps, if you have any sources that help me fill in the gaps it would be greatly appreciated it seems that past information about the Billiards and Snooker in the Southeast Asian Games is limited. for instance sources I have found say Efren Reyes has won 3 Gold Medals at the Southeast Asian Games, I could only find the 1987 English Billiards and I though he won the 1987 Snooker Gold Medal, but according to your source this is incorrect, like I said any help would be appreciated, as I really want to complete it. Bob Rosenburger (talk) 17:32, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Bob Rosenburger: the November 1987 Snooker Scene article says that Sakchai Sim-Ngam won the snooker singles, and Thailand won the snooker team event. It adds that "the doubles gold medal went to a pair from the Philippines - names as yet unknown to us". Maybe one of them was Reyes? According to this source, the losing doubles finalists were Udon Khaimuk and Thong-chai Sae-lim. I don't think that Snooker Scene has much coverage of the other years, but I'll check over the next few days. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 17:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok great, that makes sense because in Efren's biography it says gold medal in 1987 snooker, as you said it was probably for the doubles, thanks for checking, if you could find out any additional information on the winners that would be great, I will add that Udon Khaimuk and Thong-chai Sae-lim where the losing doubles finalists. Regards. Bob Rosenburger (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

It was Efren Reyes and Rene Cruz for the Snooker Doubles, I need to fill in the gaps for the years pre 2005 for the article now, any known articles you can find would be of great help. Regards Bob Rosenburger (talk) 14:14, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

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