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Articles seeking peer review
before featured article candidacy

March 3 Muckrach Castle
March 6 Nezak Huns
April 3 BP Refinery v Tracey
April 24 Nestory Irankunda
May 3 Aishwarya Rai Bachchan
May 14 Knives Out
May 27 Tapir!
May 30 Chinese characters
June 6 Jenna Ortega
June 8 Chaparral 2F
June 10 Tyla (album)
June 14 Algebra
June 14 Matthew Charles Johnson
June 16 ME/CFS
June 23 Luna (Feid and ATL Jacob song)
June 23 Majed Abu Maraheel
June 23 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup
June 27 Undertale
June 28 Much-Binding-in-the-Marsh
June 29 Bad Blood (Taylor Swift song)
July 2 Suicidal Tour
July 3 Shirt (song)
July 3 Military dictatorship
July 4 Ada Wong
July 6 Weise's law
July 6 List of generation IX Pokémon
July 7 The Sims 4
July 11 Godzilla Minus One
July 17 Narwhal
July 17 Pagtatag!
July 24 You Only Live Twice

Unanswered peer reviews

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GA nominations

Albums

This includes record albums, soundtracks, and video albums.

The River (Bruce Springsteen album) (talk | history | start review) – 1980 album by Bruce Springsteen – (39 reviews, 74 GAs) Zmbro (talk) 00:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Fables of the Reconstruction (talk | history | start review) – 1985 album by R.E.M. – (1 review, 1 GA) Elephantranges (talk) 16:33, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
In the Darkest of Nights, Let the Birds Sing (talk | history | discuss review) – 2020 EP by Foster the People – (1 review, 1 GA) SupremeLordBagel (talk) 21:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Second opinion: this reviewer is requesting another editor's input on the article. (3 reviews, 1 GA) The Sharpest Lives (talk) 22:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Midnight Train (album) (talk | history | discuss review) (1 review, 9 GAs) Versace1608 (talk) 14:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
On hold: this article is awaiting improvements before it is passed or failed. (24 reviews, 23 GAs) Cambalachero (talk) 18:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Basie & Zoot (talk | history | start review) (4 reviews, 1 GA) AstonishingTunesAdmirer (talk) 00:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Lucid (Aṣa album) (talk | history | start review) (1 review, 9 GAs) Versace1608 (talk) 20:14, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
The Click (album) (talk | history | start review) – 2017 album by AJR – (0 reviews, 2 GAs) Koopastar (talk) 20:53, 4 May 2024 (UTC)
Born in the U.S.A. (talk | history | start review) (39 reviews, 74 GAs) Zmbro (talk) 14:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
Note: Co-nominated with Moisejp
Path (album) (talk | history | start review) (17 reviews, 26 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 23:05, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
E (Ecco2K album) (talk | history | start review) (17 reviews, 26 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 01:57, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Something Else from The Move (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 13 GAs) VirreFriberg (talk) 02:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
I've Failed You (talk | history | start review) (1 review, 6 GAs) Chchcheckit (talk) 02:26, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
The United States of America (album) (talk | history | discuss review) (0 reviews, 0 GAs) Iostn (talk) 13:41, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (5 reviews, 0 GAs) Blueskiesdry (talk) 01:23, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer inactive for 46 days
Love Sux (talk | history | start review) (3 reviews, 1 GA) The Sharpest Lives (talk) 16:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
Profound Morality (talk | history | start review) (1 review, 6 GAs) Chchcheckit (talk) 22:46, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Drukqs (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 3 GAs) LunaEclipse (talk) 14:08, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
No Culpes a la Noche (talk | history | start review) (10 reviews, 109 GAs) Magiciandude (talk) 17:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Oil of Every Pearl's Un-Insides Non-Stop Remix Album (talk | history | start review) (17 reviews, 26 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 04:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Microphones in 2020 (talk | history | start review) (2 reviews, 6 GAs) PerfectSoundWhatever (talk) 05:59, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Songs

This includes songs from any era.

Homecoming (Kanye West song) (talk | history | start review) – 2008 single by Kanye West featuring Chris Martin – (574 reviews, 89 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 21:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
All for You (Janet Jackson song) (talk | history | start review) (13 reviews, 84 GAs) 11JORN (talk) 01:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Week End (Gen Hoshino song) (talk | history | start review) – 2015 promotional single by Gen Hoshino – (6 reviews, 5 GAs) IanTEB (talk) 10:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Key West (Philosopher Pirate) (talk | history | start review) – 2020 song by Bob Dylan – (135 reviews, 122 GAs) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 16:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Abrázame Muy Fuerte (song) (talk | history | discuss review) – 2000 single by Juan Gabriel – (10 reviews, 109 GAs) Magiciandude (talk) 17:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (6 reviews, 5 GAs) IanTEB (talk) 13:10, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Note: with Jaespinoza
Tokiyo (talk | history | start review) – 2015 song by Gen Hoshino – (6 reviews, 5 GAs) IanTEB (talk) 18:52, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
The Way I Loved You (Taylor Swift song) (talk | history | start review) – 2008 song by Taylor Swift – (1 review, 21 GAs) Gained (talk) 04:36, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
Azul (song) (talk | history | discuss review) – Song by Cristian Castro – (10 reviews, 109 GAs) Magiciandude (talk) 20:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
On hold: this article is awaiting improvements before it is passed or failed. (17 reviews, 26 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 03:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Fortnight (song) (talk | history | start review) – 2024 single by Taylor Swift featuring Post Malone – (35 reviews, 58 GAs) Ippantekina (talk) 06:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
Soon You'll Get Better (talk | history | start review) – 2019 song by Taylor Swift featuring the Dixie Chicks – (35 reviews, 58 GAs) Ippantekina (talk) 16:13, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Stronger (Kanye West song) (talk | history | start review) – 2007 single by Kanye West – (574 reviews, 89 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 14:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
Luochahai City (talk | history | start review) – 2023 single by Dao Lang – (0 reviews, 1 GA) Bremps (talk) 21:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Note: Busy at the moment, but will likely not be by the time this gets reviewed
Down Bad (Taylor Swift song) (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Taylor Swift – (35 reviews, 58 GAs) Ippantekina (talk) 17:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Never Grow Up (Taylor Swift song) (talk | history | start review) – 2010 song by Taylor Swift – (1 review, 21 GAs) Gained (talk) 17:38, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
Stereo Love (talk | history | start review) – 2009 single by Edward Maya and Vika Jigulina – (189 reviews, 155 GAs) Cartoon network freak (talk) 13:52, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Suburban Legends (song) (talk | history | discuss review) – 2023 song by Taylor Swift – (1 review, 21 GAs) Gained (talk) 14:36, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (10 reviews, 10 GAs) Dora the Axe-plorer (talk) 15:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Why (Gen Hoshino song) (talk | history | start review) (6 reviews, 5 GAs) IanTEB (talk) 19:25, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Da Funk (talk | history | start review) – 1995 single by Daft Punk – (0 reviews, 3 GAs) LunaEclipse (talk) 15:46, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Super Shy (talk | history | discuss review) – 2023 single by NewJeans – (0 reviews, 4 GAs) Lililolol (talk) 20:59, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Second opinion: this reviewer is requesting another editor's input on the article. (1 review, 0 GAs) Wuju Daisuki (talk) 22:00, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
I Wonder (Kanye West song) (talk | history | start review) (574 reviews, 89 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 20:21, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
Cómo Se Cura una Herida (talk | history | start review) (10 reviews, 109 GAs) Magiciandude (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
The Alchemy (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Taylor Swift – (35 reviews, 58 GAs) Ippantekina (talk) 07:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Who's Afraid of Little Old Me? (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Taylor Swift – (35 reviews, 58 GAs) Ippantekina (talk) 07:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites (song) (talk | history | start review) (17 reviews, 26 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 20:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
That's When (talk | history | start review) – 2021 song by Taylor Swift featuring Keith Urban – (1 review, 21 GAs) Gained (talk) 06:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Black Lake (song) (talk | history | start review) – 2015 song by Björk – (0 reviews, 0 GAs) Isthmus55 (talk) 13:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
Dizzy (Olly Alexander song) (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Olly Alexander – (0 reviews, 6 GAs) Nascar9919 (talk) 00:37, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Everything I Am (Kanye West song) (talk | history | discuss review) (574 reviews, 89 GAs) Kyle Peake (talk) 14:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (18 reviews, 6 GAs) Heartfox (talk) 07:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Europapa (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Joost Klein – (0 reviews, 6 GAs) Nascar9919 (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Zari (song) (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Marina Satti – (0 reviews, 6 GAs) Nascar9919 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
PSA (song) (talk | history | start review) – 2023 song by SZA – (3 reviews, 2 GAs) PSA (talk) 00:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Celestica (song) (talk | history | start review) (17 reviews, 26 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 16:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
The Code (Nemo song) (talk | history | start review) – 2024 song by Nemo – (0 reviews, 6 GAs) Nascar9919 (talk) 11:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Face to Face (Daft Punk song) (talk | history | start review) – 2003 single by Daft Punk – (3 reviews, 1 GA) Reppop (talk) 20:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Not in Love (Crystal Castles song) (talk | history | start review) (17 reviews, 26 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 22:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
Your Girl (talk | history | start review) (18 reviews, 6 GAs) Heartfox (talk) 02:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Hands on Me (Jason Derulo song) (talk | history | start review) – 2023 single by Jason Derulo and Meghan Trainor – (27 reviews, 62 GAs) MaranoFan (talk) 14:45, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
All You Had to Do Was Stay (talk | history | discuss review) – 2014 song by Taylor Swift – (35 reviews, 58 GAs) Ippantekina (talk) 05:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (10 reviews, 10 GAs) Dora the Axe-plorer (talk) 15:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
Lacy (song) (talk | history | start review) (27 reviews, 62 GAs) MaranoFan (talk) 13:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Nothing More to Say (Sophie song) (talk | history | discuss review) (17 reviews, 26 GAs) Skyshifter (talk) 04:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (6 reviews, 1 GA) Dxneo (talk) 04:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Get Him Back! (talk | history | start review) (27 reviews, 62 GAs) MaranoFan (talk) 04:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Can't Catch Me Now (talk | history | start review) (27 reviews, 62 GAs) MaranoFan (talk) 03:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
Obsessed (Olivia Rodrigo song) (talk | history | discuss review) – 2024 single by Olivia Rodrigo – (27 reviews, 62 GAs) MaranoFan (talk) 00:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Review: this article is being reviewed (additional comments are welcome). (6 reviews, 1 GA) Dxneo (talk) 04:08, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
Bring Me to Life (talk | history | start review) – 2003 song by Evanescence – (0 reviews, 2 GAs) Lapadite (talk) 13:22, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Dance the Night (talk | history | start review) (27 reviews, 62 GAs) MaranoFan (talk) 18:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Training Season (talk | history | start review) (27 reviews, 62 GAs) MaranoFan (talk) 18:06, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hot to Go! (talk | history | start review) – 2023 song by Chappell Roan – (0 reviews, 6 GAs) Nascar9919 (talk) 00:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Hay Amores (talk | history | start review) (0 reviews, 0 GAs) 1arch (talk) 16:52, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Feather (song) (talk | history | start review) (27 reviews, 62 GAs) MaranoFan (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Deletion candidates

Crooked Boy

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This article does not satisfy musical notability because it has no charting information and does not otherwise satisfy any of the musical notability criteria, and does not satisfy general notability because it does not refer to significant coverage by third parties. It was unilaterally moved from draft space to article space by the page creator with the edit summary It's been too long, so draftification is not appropriate. The Heymann criterion is to add charting information within six days.

Draftify as nominator. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs and United Kingdom. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Ringo Starr discography#Extended plays: Album has been out for multiple months and has not received satisfactory coverage for notability as nominator has stated, nor any requisite charting/sales figures. No point in returning it to drafts if it's just not a notable release. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:57, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep Google search of "Crooked Boy review" lists 2500 results. Premature to discount existence of good references to be added to article. Rockycape (talk) 08:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep I have added charting information to the article from Official Charts. It appears that there's only charting information for the title track, but it performed fairly well on the aforementioned chart, so there's no reason to delete it. There was no charting information on the article because it was created before it was released. The article also passes WP:GNG, since there are several articles discussing the EP from different sources. Just because the information isn't there doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Bandit Heeler (talk) 11:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep - It appears that this nomination was based on events in the draft system, and the nominator likely failed to do the WP:BEFORE search that is required before a deletion debate in order to investigate notability. Also, deciding that notability had not been established just because of spotty sources in the draft version is a violation of WP:NEXIST. The album received widespread reliable coverage the week of its release, and it and one of its songs made the charts in two countries months before this nomination. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Weak Keep. There seems to be significant coverage on reliable sources. However, there may be some confusion if the coverage is due to the notability of the EP, or because of the popularity of the artist Ringo Starr of which notability is not inherited may be invoked. Prof.PMarini (talk) 10:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Wolf at the Door

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Song by Keane (not to be confused with the song by Radiohead). Fails WP:NSONGS: no coverage in multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the artist and label. Popcornfud (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect - fails NSONGS. More like something that would belong on a Keane fan wikia. Sergecross73 msg me 18:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Keane (band): found no additional coverage. Would also recommend a swap with Wolf at the Door (disambiguation). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:24, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

You Missed

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The article is almost exclusively cited to non-RS sites, and isn't even that notable to begin with (I may be wrong). Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Politics. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 03:23, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Tom MacDonald (rapper): None of the sources here are reliable; they're mostly right-wing publications with clear bias which would never pass the smell test at WT:RSP, the Forbes article fails FORBESCON, and the rest are YouTube and social media. Found no additional coverage. Charting section is full of SINGLEVENDOR fails.

From my past experience, it is important to be wary of the potential for this to be swarmed with comments by biased editors. Hopefully they don't notice this one like they did the one I linked, but if they do, there may be a mess to pick through. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Not !voting at this point, but will note in regard to the Forbes piece, even if it gets by FORBESCON due to the author being a recognized expert in an appropriate realm (I've not checked), it's unusable because Forbes or the author withdrew the piece; it was on the website less than half a day, which is not a matter of simply aging out (indeed, I don't think Forbes ever actually ages things off the site.) -- Nat Gertler (talk) 15:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect as per suggested above. There's no indication this song is independently notable at this point. Cortador (talk) 07:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirect fails GNG/NSONG. No significant coverage in reliable sources. Here is a source assessment table based on all the coverage I could find:

Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:CFA
https://www.the-sun.com/news/11943910/tom-macdonald-you-missed-new-song-donald-trump-assassination/	See WP:THESUN		✘ No
https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2024/07/14/a-song-about-the-trump-shooting-is-already-rising-on-itunes/	See WP:FORBESCON		✘ No
https://www.mrctv.org/blog/nick-kangadis/bh-you-missed-rapper-tom-macdonald-releases-anthem-about-trump-assassination	See WP:RSP#Media Research Center	Barely	✘ No
https://www.sportskeeda.com/us/music/news-this-canadian-patriotic-american-internet-reacts-rapper-tom-macdonald-releases-you-missed-song-trump-s-assassination-attempt	See WP:SPORTSKEEDA		✘ No
https://thepostmillennial.com/you-missed-tom-macdonalds-new-track-after-attempted-trump-assassination-hits-1-on-itunes-charts	See WP:POSTMIL		✘ No
https://www.showbiz411.com/2024/07/14/maga-singer-cashes-in-on-trump-shooting-with-tone-deaf-anti-left-record-you-missed	A blog	Very short commentary, the rest is just the lyrics	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

If anyone finds anything else, let me know. C F A 💬 16:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wait to see if/how well the song charts. Dswitz10734 (talk) 19:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Wait, the song has a high likelihood of making the Hot 100. Keep your own politics out of it. TrevortniDesserpedx (talk) 02:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirect per CFA's source analysis; evidently fails GNG at this time. "Wait" is not an option grounded in how the notability policy works—if it becomes notable in the future, the article can be recreated then. Dylnuge ^{(Talk • Edits)} 04:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Wait It's clear you people just want to delete anything positive towards trump. 90.244.131.5 (talk) 13:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
This AfD has nothing to do with politics, and as Bremp told you at the "File:Shooting of Donald Trump" deletion discussion, lets asssume good faith here. Sir MemeGod ._. (talk - contribs - created articles) 13:47, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

And in fact if we redirect it rather than delete it, restoration requires trivial effort as the current version of the article will still be in the page's history. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 22:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to performer's article Absolutely no chance this gets radio airplay, this is pretty much in quickly-forgotten novelty song territory no matter where this charts. Nate • (chatter) 22:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to the artist per discussion above. Di (they-them) (talk) 23:49, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to artist. WWGB (talk) 02:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Wait As the creator of the page, I knew it would be a WP:BOLD move making the article so early after the release, so I ask if we can wait until the Billboard Charts for this week come out. If there isn't much notable about its placement in the charts then I could see a merge/redirect as the next suitable option. Cheers! Johnson524 04:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Comment Nominations are up for seven days so the 'wait' importations are the equivalent of pushing the close button on an elevator; it's happening and you just have to be patient. Nate • (chatter) 16:03, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
@MrSchimpf I get what you mean, but the song's placement on Billboard Charts literally had not been released yet, which could establish notability. Johnson524 18:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect per previous votes and lack of proper sourcing. As for the question of chart position, chartwatchers project that the song will debut at #1...on the Bubbling Under Hot 100 chart and the Digital Songs chart. I'm not familiar with Wikipedia's notability guidelines for music, but I'm guessing that's not enough to overcome this song's failure to meet GNG. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 17:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
~~Keep~~ Redirect (per CFA comment) The Billboard Chart placements just released, and the single placed first in Digital Song Sales (and was already added to the article List of Billboard Digital Song Sales number ones of 2024 by another editor) and second in the Bubbling Under Hot 100, which isn't as impressive but still another chart ranking. At least for Digital Song Sales, doesn't this keep the article within notability guidelines? Johnson524 18:15, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Well, no. Because it ranked #1 on Digital Song Sales, it's probably going to chart somewhere on the Hot 100 but that is still speculation. This does not indicate standalone notability, though. Per WP:NSONG:
Notability aside, a standalone article is appropriate only when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album.

A standalone article about a song should satisfy the above criteria ("they have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works"). Any of the following factors suggest that a song or single may be notable enough that a search for coverage in reliable independent sources will be successful.
1. Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts. (Note again that this indicates only that a song may be notable, not that it is notable.)

2. Has won one or more significant awards or honors, such as a Grammy, Latin Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.

3. Has been independently released as a recording by several notable artists, bands, or groups.

A position on a chart serves an indicator that the song may have enough coverage to warrant an article. However, in this case, it does not. As I mentioned above, the only coverage is in unreliable sources. The entire article, in fact, is sourced to those unreliable sources (because no further coverage exists). There are not enough reliable sources covering the topic to write an article longer than a sentence and a table with the chart positions. It therefore does not warrant its own article — at least not yet. It can always be retrieved from the page history if notability is established later. C F A 💬 18:34, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
@CFA: You state your case really well 🙂 I'll strike my keep comment to redirect, but can the article still be kept in the page's redirect history if more sources ever become available? (they probably won't, but just in case) Cheers! Johnson524 01:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
Yes, the redirect is done as just an edit, the history is not deleted. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 01:32, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@NatGertler: Thank you for clarifying 🙂 Cheers! Johnson524 02:28, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect. The article seems to be a mix of rephrased lyrics and many minor non-notable claims to notability. It needs more info about the real-world impact and some commentary on the lyrics, which is even rarer in RS after that forbescon article was retracted. Per WP:NSONG, a standalone article is appropriate only when there is enough material to warrant a reasonably detailed article; articles unlikely ever to grow beyond stubs should be merged to articles about an artist or album. However, a layman reader might have trouble understanding the importance of the article beyond a single sentence: "You Missed is a pro-Trump^[a] song by McDonald that was popular^[b] after the attempted assassination." The information contained would still be beneficial in a section of the artist's article. 142.113.140.146 (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I mean that's a little bit harsh. There are quite a few sources, its more about their reliability that's the issue. Johnson524 01:25, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

I genuinely appreciate you taking the time to revise your comment. I agree with all of your statements, and since more reliable sources do not exist presently, I believe the article should be redirected to the MacDonald page, and any beneficial information merged into it as well. Happy editing 🙂 Johnson524 03:03, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Notes

^ plot half of the article
^ wikipuffery part of the article

The Ivory Tower (album)

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I'm not sure if this album is notable. There's a PopMatters review and there's a brief review in HM (magazine) (page 32). According to the Wikipedia article, there's also a Kerrang review, but I wasn't able to find it; according to oldies.com music mail-order company, it at least contained the words "Taking driving riffs and breakdowns from emo and the huge radio-hugging choruses of, say, Journey or Mister Mister, Orange County quintet Takota are on to a winner on this, their debut album." Other than that, there's a Punktastic review, consisting of 10 adjectives, there's an Alternative Vision review (listed as generally unreliable on WP:A/S), and there's a NeuFutur review, a publication I hadn't heard of until today. toweli (talk) 16:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

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Comment. This was a pretty good BEFORE, which it would be good to merge into the Takota article at least. There is also supposed to be a review printed in this edition of Burn. Geschichte (talk) 07:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 20:34, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Where Them Girls At (Megan Thee Stallion song)

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This is an album track with no coverage outside of its parent album. A few low chart positions (the New Zealand one not even on the main chart of that country) is not enough to sustain an article. I am nominating this because my redirection of the article was reverted. This should be redirected to Megan (album) as it fails WP:NSONGS: "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability" and re: point 1, that charting only indicates that a topic may be notable, not that it is. Ss112 19:10, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Megan (album) per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 19:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Megan (album). I agree with the nominator's rationale. Aoba47 (talk) 17:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Outside of "Mamushi" and "Otaku Hot Girl", "Where Them Girls At" has been considered a future single (and has charted as such), and was more importantly recommended by her fans on X (formerly Twitter) as the landslide choice for the next music video. At bare minimum the page should remain as an album promotional single as it has received early airplay on several Urban radio stations. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 15:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

So you're arguing based on potential future notability? I mean, maybe, but we can't keep based on that. It can always be restored in the future if this happens (and comes with reliable coverage/other signifiers of notability), but not if it hasn't happened yet. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

No. I'm arguing current notability with a potential for increased prominence as the album campaign continues. It seems the only thing separating a song like this (charted, early airplay, better streaming numbers than a majority of the other album tracks, received attention as an early standout on album release day) from a Taylor Swift album track that inevitably charted when the whole project did and received its own page is ... personal preference. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 03:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep. This song has received lots of plays on radio and streaming service. Even if it doesn't end up getting a music video or becoming a single it still has already gotten some charting and been relatively successful. MC-123 (talk) 00:47, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

As stated in the nomination: charting does not mean a song needs an article, and WP:NSONGS states charting is only an indication of notability. There are lots of album tracks with millions of streams out there. It doesn't mean they're notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. Ss112 22:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Can you provide sources that talk about the song? Being played lots isn't really what we're looking for. Oaktree b (talk) 23:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Delete. There may be future potential for an article on this song, but not right now. Binksternet (talk) 20:54, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:50, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Delete: Non-notable song, no critical coverage, has not charted nor won a Grammy. Coverage is strictly limited to album reviews where this track is mentioned. Not meeting notability... Being a "future hit", isn't good enough. Crystal ball applies. Oaktree b (talk) 23:13, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
It has charted on both national charts and radio-fueled airplay charts. Saying it has not charted is a very bold claim to make when the chart placements are prominently located on the very page you have voted to delete. Trainsskyscrapers (talk) 03:48, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
@Trainsskyscrapers: What is the radio-fueled airplay chart you speak of? None of the three charts listed on the article are primarily or solely airplay charts. Ss112 06:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Those were not present when I !voted. Ok it's charted, but we need sourcing that talks about it. Charting hints at notability, but it's not a free pass. Oaktree b (talk) 22:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)
@Oaktree b: To be clear, the charting was there when I nominated the page for deletion/redirection. Ss112 04:51, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

Thriller (Fall Out Boy song)

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The article is based on album reviews for Infinity on High. so it doesn't establish a separate WP:SIGCOV. I searched sources independently and I found two, both from NME,[1][2] one written from Patrick Stump's point of view and the other from Pete Wentz's view. Those sources don't say anything different from what is already said by the sources present in the article. And Infinity on High mentions part of the article's content anyway. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Infinity on High: sources in article only make very brief mentions of the song, and the same goes for the two NME articles the nominator linked. Nowhere near enough for an independent article. I wouldn't oppose a merger if there are any valuable statements included here which aren't already in the album article. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:49, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Keep Meets WP:GNG - The article is comprehensive and there is commentary about the song in multiple reliable sources. Slant Magazine, Northern Valley Suburbanite, Alternative Press, Guitar.com. Additionally the song leads with an introduction from Jay Z which garnered much press like in the Los Angeles Times and other major media outlets.Note, as the article's main author I was not notified of this AfD. Bruxton (talk) 04:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
In the past I would have said the same. The article itself is not the issue, but the sources are. They are all about the album, so the critics naturally write about the songs featured in the album from that perspective. For example, "I've Got All This Ringing in My Ears and None on My Fingers" is also mentioned by two of the sources you included and some sources included at Infinity on High, but that doesn't mean we should have an article for it. This was practically the conclusion reached at previous AFD discussions like Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Red Hot Kinda Love, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Don't Let Me Down (Leona Lewis song), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/My Hands. A good example of how this is reversed is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bloody Mary (Lady Gaga song), a song that was marignally notable when it was released, but that gained independent notability after an external event created that notability; that is, being used in a TV series and secondary sources discussing it independently from the album. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 05:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Merge (into Infinity on High) - it has good info, but I agree with the nom. – The Sharpest Lives (💬•✏️•ℹ️) 06:31, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
Keep I came here from DYK and I am the editor who approved this article's nomination when it ran on the main page. During the approval process many editors, administrators and readers vetted the article. The article clearly meets our general notability guide. A topic is "notable" if there is enough usable coverage of it in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject, to write a good encyclopedic article. I think that is what we have here, a good encyclopedic article about the song, based on multiple secondary sources. Lightburst (talk) 01:48, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
You can refer to WP:NSONGS: "Coverage of a song in the context of an album review does not establish notability." (CC) Tbhotch^™ 03:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

We should not focus on the SNG - WP:NSONG, according to WP:N A topic is presumed to merit an article if: It meets either the general notability guideline (GNG) below, or the criteria outlined in a subject-specific notability guideline (SNG); and t is not excluded under the What Wikipedia is not policy. I believe that it meets GNG based on the RS. Lightburst (talk) 04:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Sadly, they are not a reason to keep the page alone. Some sources are trivial and none of the sources present is about the song alone; they are about the album, regardless on how you'd like to word it. As I said before, just because the sources at Infinity on High#References mention songs like Don't You Know Who I Think I Am?, I've Got All This Ringing in My Ears and None on My Fingers, or Bang the Doldrums, we have to create their articles based on album reviews that trivially reviewed them from the album's perspective, like it occured with Thriller (Fall Out Boy song).

On the talk page I left the sources review. I don't see the independent, non-trivial, non-passing mentions content that indicate significant coverage that is independent from the parent album. I see sources speaking about the song from the album's context focusing on being named after a Michael Jackson album and inadvertently having a rap intro by Jay-Z, both facts that can be covered by the album's composition section.

As much as you'd like to keep the page, this hadn't had to run on the main page in the first place and you made a mistake by approving an article built on trivialities. Proof of this is the fact that this song hasn't been discussed by critics in subsequent releases thoroughly and it needs to have a background that doesn't even mention the song and has to rely exclusively on trivial album mentions. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 04:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

You have made seven edits to the article and you have typed 6527 characters (1062 words) in an effort to remove an article that is only 2963 characters (517 words). This AfD time-suck is an example of why I am not as active in deletion lately. You have lost credibility in your source assessment because I randomly looked at #9: you referred to three full paragraphs discussing the song as a passing mention. And #15 you refer to an article which features this song as one of 15 heaviest songs as a passing mention. I am not going to focus on all the WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments. Also I really need to start observing WP:COAL and maybe you should too. Lightburst (talk) 19:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Opinion divided between Keeping this article and Merge/Redirect it.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, hopefully we can see more participation to come to a clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:48, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Merge to Infinity on High: love the band and the song, but think per WP:NOPAGE the worthwhile content is better saved for the album page. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 01:33, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aydoh8 (talk | contribs) 15:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Merge to Infinity on High. Talking about editors' statistical contributions rarely impresses a closer, especially when it fails to engage with the nominator's primary argument: all coverage presented or applied seems in connection to the album, not to the song by itself. I made a reasonable BEFORE, and I saw nothing where the song was the sole focus of the piece. BusterD (talk) 14:36, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

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