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Sukhum(i) district okrug

Hi! Re your move Sukhumi Okrug, are you sure "Sukhumi okrug" is indeed more prevalent? Which sources did you consult and how did you query ngram? Note that this article is about a subdivision of the Russian Empire and not about the current Sukhumi district. Alaexis_¿question? 08:33, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

• Alaexis Hi Alaexis. As I understand, the prevailing (and most reader-friendly) theme in English Wikipedia is to use the Anglicised forms of the Russian Imperial districts, hence for example, Ardahan Okrug instead of Ardagan, or Ardaganskii Okug (Ардаганский округ) and similar instances. After consulting these Ngram results, and these Scholar results, I found Sukhumi Okrug to be the predominant toponym for the district as compared with the less-used Russian romanized form. Happy to discuss this further if needed. Thanks, -Nunuxxx (talk) 08:51, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Sure, Sukhumi is the most widely used transliteration of the name of the city. However this article is about the district of the Russian Empire so you need to check if it's how that entity is most commonly called. Alaexis_¿question? 09:00, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Unfortuntely, searching on Google Ngram with "uezd" or "uyezd" added in the search query of "Sukhum" and "Sukhumi" yields no results, however, the Google Scholar search previously linked support the use of "Sukhumi Uyezd" and on top of that, as the okrug is named for the eponymous city of Sukhumi (just as the Tiflis Uyezd is named for the city Tiflis), it is reasonable to infer that the name of the okrug will principally follow the city's name, hence "Sukhumi" Okrug. -Nunuxxx (talk) 09:23, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

It wasn't an uyezd (уезд) but okrug (округ). I see that both are used with more or less equal frequency: [1], [2]. Alaexis_¿question? 09:46, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Ah my apologies, I appeared to have muddled up uezd and okrug after working with the former earlier today. Contrarily, Ngram does not provide results for either spellings when searching with the term "okrug". In any case, I believe the point stands about the city of Sukhumi (Sukhum) being the eponym for the Sukhumi Okrug, therefore it's acceptable to base the district name off of that principally. However, given "Sukhum"'s considerable usage as well, I think it would be a good idea to add that as a secondary/alternative name in the first line of the article. I can add that in unless you'd prefer to? -Nunuxxx (talk) 09:53, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

That sounds good. If you can please add it. Alaexis_¿question? 10:26, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

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Tsutsiev (2014, Yale University Press)

Thought you might be interested in this source[3] - LouisAragon (talk) 14:10, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing this! I am very interested in Tsutsiev's many detailed maps, especially of the various territorial arrangements that existed during and after the Russian Empire. Nunuxxx (talk) 15:04, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome! You can use this[4] helpful site or request the pages you want from WP:REX. - LouisAragon (talk) 15:20, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

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Borders in Caucasia

For a larger projects, I am currently collecting border changes in Caucasia after WWI. You have drawn a lot of map that might be relevant for the issue on pre-1917 administrative divisions in Russia. What are the sources of them?--Antemister (talk) 18:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I overlaid old Russian Empire maps of the governorates onto topography to draw the shapes of the provinces in accordance with the physical geography they were based on. Good luck with your project. - 𝑵𝒖𝒏𝒖𝒙𝒙𝒙 ✪ 𝑇𝑎𝑙𝑘 09:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Is there a specific category here where I can find them? Or a different website--Antemister (talk) 19:42, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Searching on Google Images seem to provide the best results, particularly using the provinces' modern Russian name in the search. Otherwise, you can also check out Wikimedia's map categories – here are maps of the Baku Governorate for example. – 𝑵𝒖𝒏𝒖𝒙𝒙𝒙 ✪ 𝑇𝑎𝑙𝑘 04:07, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

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Zabukh

The village in this article was taken back by Azerbaijan, does the Artsakh part in the infobox need to be removed? Eray08yigit (talk) 09:47, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

I expect that the The Lachin corridor villages' articles should be treated consistently as the articles of other settlements that passed to Azerbaijan in 2020–2022 (except for those formerly part of the NKAO) such as Aghdam which doesn't contain any mention of Artsakh in its infobox. Therefore, I think it would be consistent to remove it based on the new de facto control. – 𝑵𝒖𝒏𝒖𝒙𝒙𝒙 ✪ 𝑇𝑎𝑙𝑘 09:57, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

okay thanks Eray08yigit (talk) 09:58, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Uyezd -> Uezd

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If you would be willing to help further, please rename the articles on individual uezds, and edit them accordingly. Then the categories for individual uezds can be speedily renamed according to WP:C2D. Please let me know if you would like any advice about how to do this. – Fayenatic London 21:22, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for opening the discussion in the Categories for discussion page. I will definitely rename the other Uyezd articles to Uezd whenever possible. Thus far, I believe only the uezds of the Caucasus Viceroyalty (1801–1917) have been renamed, with many more located in modern-day Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine yet to be done. If you could please advise on how to speedily rename the categories on multiple articles that would be much appreciated. Thanks, – 𝑵𝒖𝒏𝒖𝒙𝒙𝒙 ✪ 𝑇𝑎𝑙𝑘 03:18, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Good news!

Got the Armenian–Azerbaijani War page title moved to Armenian–Azerbaijani war (1918–1920) DJ (talk) 01:44, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

That's great—Thank you for letting me know. Cheers, – Olympian ^loquere 01:51, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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Vardenis

Now I'm being accused of a conflict of interest for replying in a discussion thread that summoned me twice, so please do not summon me any further. I shared the best source available, which I use extensively, and recommend you use that source as well. Best regards, RaffiKojian (talk) 12:05, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi Raffi, replying in the discussion to clarify questions regarding your book doesn't constitute a conflict of interest and someone wrongfully claiming such doesn't make it so. In any case, I understand your concern and will refrain from pinging you in that discussion further. Thank you for sharing the toponymy source. Regards, – Olympian ^loquere 12:15, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I agree, but thanks for understanding. FYI, another beautiful source of information you might enjoy (if you don't already) is the official list of Armenian monuments, which is on the Armenian language version of Wikipedia in its entirety. https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Հայաստանի_պատմության_և_մշակույթի_անշարժ_հուշարձանների_ցանկ Best, --RaffiKojian (talk) 13:44, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing that source also, seems quite extensive. In regards to Vardenis, you mentioned in the discussion "There is no indication that Vardenis, which was founded by Armenians in the 1800s ever had an Azeri majority or anything approaching that.", but in Soviet Armenian historian Zaven Korkotyan's book, The population of Soviet Armenia in the last century (1831–1931), he writes on page 110 that there were only 178 Muslim inhabitants, and in the next census (1873) there were only 1,296 Armenian inhabitants; what are your thoughts on this discrepancy? Cheers, – Olympian ^loquere 01:21, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

Yeah it's a little odd, but I wouldn't read too much into it, especially since the years 1829-30 are the years of the Armenian resettlement and things were in flux. So the 178 Muslim inhabitants and zero Armenians to me means something is a bit off. Like perhaps a geographical terminology problem or something for the 1831 numbers. Or I don't know how these things were conducted, but maybe they calculated in a way that was not up-to-the-minute (or in this case year) accurate. So in other words, I don't know, but that's how I'd interpret the numbers :) RaffiKojian (talk) 03:21, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Makes sense, thanks for sharing your thoughts on that, Raffi. If you happen to know where I can find a PDF copy of the toponymy source you provided, I would be highly appreciate if you could share it, it'd just make it more accessible to use and expand Wikipedia with. Cheers, – Olympian ^loquere 02:56, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Sorry Olympian, I don't recall ever coming across a pdf. I have my own copy but I tend to use the Nayiri one recently. You can do searches and skip to whatever page, so you might find it equal to a pdf in usability when you get used to it. RaffiKojian (talk) 18:23, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

I see, thanks. The final question I had was what exactly is the "1995 bibliography biography" mentioned on page 127 of Rediscovering Armenia? The quote is "[A]ccording to the 1995 biography published by the Republican Party of Armenia, [Nzhdeh] killed 15,000 Azeris for a total loss of 28 Armenians, and cleansed of their former inhabitants 200 villages in the process of saving Zangezur as part of Armenia." Thanks and sorry for inundating you with all the questions! Cheers, – Olympian ^loquere 02:42, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

It says biography, not bibliography. That quote was added by Brady, and I can't find such a reference in the [2009 edition http://www.hhk.am/files/library_pdfs/7.pdf] of the biography by the RPA which is online as a pdf (see the link). I searched for 15000 and for 28, and got nothing, so I can't really say since I don't have access to the 1995 version. Non-numeric searches are pointless because it's not UNICODE encoding, btw. Back to the Vardenis issue, I suggest you just change the source to the one I shared and see if that solves their issue right there. RaffiKojian (talk) 18:11, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

My bad, my brain went on autopilot and mixed up the two terms! I see, in any case, I appreciate you checking. Yes, I'll be using that source for that purpose; even though we were discussing it on Vardenis, we were considering Rediscovering Armenia's usage across all articles. Anyway, the source you provided is from the Soviet period (1986) and published by Երեվանի Համալսարանի Հրատարակչոիթյոին ("Yerevan University Publishing House") in Yerevan, hence, I don't see a reason why its reliability should be questioned so I'm happy to use it from now on. – Olympian ^loquere 22:32, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Telavi and Signagi

On a different topic, there's a user that is removing any references to Armenians from the Telavi and Signagi articles. I have posted on their talk page one of the templates to cease, but they just called it propaganda and removed again. Do you know any admins that can be summoned? RaffiKojian (talk) 18:15, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

I've just had a look over each page's revision history, it seems the user is removing sourced content without any consensus, which is usually a revertable edit. As they've continued to restore their edits even after you've correctly attempted to engage them in dialogue, you should file a report in the edit warring noticeboard showing the diffs of the user's vandalism (available in the pages' revision histories) – there are detailed instructions on how to file a report on that page. – Olympian ^loquere 23:02, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Perfect, thanks. I may wait to see if they do it one more time, or not. I hate this stuff. RaffiKojian (talk) 06:57, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

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Zangezur expedition moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Zangezur expedition, is not suitable as written to remain published. While it appears to be notable, it needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. There are large sections which are wholly uncited. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. I did this rather than removing the uncited material in the article, which I felt would be more disruptive. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask on my talk page. When you have the required sourcing (and every assertion needs a source), and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Or feel free to ping me to take another look.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:28, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for moving it to draftspace, @Onel5969. The article was translated from its RuWiki equivalent (which had GA status), but its sourcing was sparse, even more so when I removed a questionable source from it. I'll definitely ping you when I've had time to work on it sufficiently. Regards, – Olympian ^loquere 01:00, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Cool. That happens a lot when folks translate from other WPs, where sourcing is not as important. Look forward to your ping. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

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Hello Olympian

Prior to the twentieth century, Azerbaijanis had lived under Russian colonial rule for a century and had never had their own nation-state. Azerbaijanis lacked a sense of national identity, and their unity was based solely on religion.

Thank you for expanding the Azerbaijan democratic republic article. However, isn't it a bit contradictory to say that the above-mentioned Azerbaijanis were proud of their national identity and defined themselves as Muslims? that is, as you know, the ancestors of the Azerbaijanis were the Oghuz crews called Turkoman, who invaded these lands in the 10th century, and Iranian Azerbaijanis called themselves Turkoman until the 18th century. Enderman222 (talk) 19:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

The modern ethnonym "Azerbaijani" or "Azeri" refers to the Turkic peoples of Iran's northwestern historic region of Azerbaijan (also known as Iranian Azerbaijan) and the Republic of Azerbaijan.[63] They historically called themselves or were referred to by others as Muslims, Turks. They were also referred to as Ajam (meaning from Iran), using the term incorrectly to denote their Shia belief rather than ethnic identity.[64] When the Southern Caucasus became part of the Russian Empire in the nineteenth century, the Russian authorities, who traditionally referred to all Turkic people as Tatars, defined Tatars living in the Transcaucasus region as Caucasian Tatars or more rarely[65] Aderbeijanskie (Адербейджанские) Tatars or even[66] Persian Tatars in order to distinguish them from other Turkic groups and the Persian speakers of Iran.[66][67] The Russian Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary, written in the 1890s, also referred to Tatars in Azerbaijan as Aderbeijans (адербейджаны),[68] but noted that the term had not been widely adopted.[69] This ethnonym was also used by Joseph Deniker in 1900.[70] In Azerbaijani language publications, the expression "Azerbaijani nation" referring to those who were known as Tatars of the Caucasus first appeared in the newspaper Kashkul in 1880.[71]

During the early Soviet period, the term "Transcaucasian Tatars" was supplanted by "Azerbaijani Turks" and ultimately "Azerbaijanis."[72][73][74] For some time afterwards, the term "Azerbaijanis" was then applied to all Turkic-speaking Muslims in Transcaucasia, from the Meskhetian Turks in southwestern Georgia, to the Terekemes of southern Dagestan, as well as assimilated Tats and Talysh.[73] The temporary designation of Meskhetian Turks as "Azerbaijanis" was most likely related to the existing administrative framework of the Transcaucasian SFSR, as the Azerbaijan SSR was one of its founding members.[75] After the establishment of the Azerbaijan SSR,[76] on the order of Soviet leader Stalin, the "name of the formal language" of the Azerbaijan SSR was also "changed from Turkic to Azerbaijani". Enderman222 (talk) 19:03, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

There are also those who write in the ethnonym section of Azerbaijanis, this is a bit confusing. Enderman222 (talk) 19:04, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Coyle 10,000 figure

Hi, does Coyle cite a source for that figure? If yes, which one? Thank you. LikesBanana (talk) 22:26, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

There's no footnote for the figure, however, that doesn't necessarily mean that it's unsourced. – Olympian ^loquere 01:34, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I expected him to fully disclose his sources. Particularly for a work which use was questioned.

• Coyle is described as Energy watcher for nearly a decade, with articles like

Energy is the key to making Moscow pay (back in 2014, he isn't a newcommer)

"Afghanistan's Place on the Silk Road" in Baku Dialogues

He is a very opinionated advocate.

• I can see why some could think that Coyle International Consulting Inc. (on national security issues and how they affect corporate interests) conflict with his position as an academic.

If the other party has to make a concession by accepting Coyle as a source, the least that they could ask, is that the author provide the reference with the figures. LikesBanana (talk) 15:58, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing your concerns but most of the neutral editors at RSN agreed Coyle is suitable for Wikipedia-usage with respect to the Armenia–Azerbaijan topic area. – Olympian ^loquere 10:44, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

He is the only cited source of estimates on that table. Do you really think that one single estimate, with no provided reference is sufficient? LikesBanana (talk) 17:19, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

There are other sources that attest to similar estimates (such as Balayev, Baberovski, and Mammadov & Musayev) whose restoration to the article is pending. Olympian ^loquere 23:20, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

That's fine, as long as their words came to us from reputable publishers, and they provide references for these figures. I am not familiar with those sources and I am not motivated or invested enough to check their credibility (Coyle is a special case), but Hasanli seems fine. However, I doubt that Soviet historiography is acceptable source. LikesBanana (talk) 00:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

That's a matter for RSN to discuss in detail, as unfortunately, there was little consensus or debate on these particular sources. By the way, Balayev's source is the only Soviet source from the ones listed and the footnote for the "7,729" figure cites the findings of a commission in stored in the Soviet archives. Olympian ^loquere 00:10, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Uyezd to Uezd

Hi, I did not notice your reply at User_talk:Olympian/Archive_1#Uyezd_->_Uezd.

You can just enter "Following WP:RM at Talk:Uezd" as the edit summary if you Help:MOVE the various articles on individual uezds. – Fayenatic London 17:19, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. What I was previously writing in the ES was per [[Talk:Uezd#Rename articles about uezds for consistency|consensus]]. – Olympian ^loquere 23:35, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine too. But there are plenty of articles still using Uyezd in the name.[5] – Fayenatic London 09:37, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination of First Republic of Armenia

Hello, unfortunately your submission of First Republic of Armenia to the Did You Know nominations page is ineligible, as expansion has to happen within the past seven days. I have left further comment at your nomination's entry. Best, CMD (talk) 08:43, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Chipmunkdavis, could you please explain what you meant by "a huge overemphasis on Sèvres" and "the odd disinclusion of the TSFSR"? The Treaty of Sèvres is mentioned once in the lead (per its monumental significance for the state) and in its own section, how does that constitute an "overemphasis"? Moreover, the TSFSR existed between 1922 and 1936, 2 years after the fall of the FRA and thus outside the scope of the article. Thanks, – Olympian ^loquere 09:10, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Sèvres was never implemented, yet the article (including the lead) repeatedly goes into detail on the territorial boundaries that never happened, at one point even spending a long paragraph delving into completely theoretical alternate timeline demographics. The lead explicitly mentions 1922 and goes all the way to 1991, so if TSFSR is outside the scope of the article, it shouldn't be remotely close to the lead. CMD (talk) 09:56, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

I've implemented your suggestions, thank you. If you're interested, you could review the article for GA as you appear familiar with the AA topic area, and no-one has engaged the nomination yet. Regards – Olympian ^loquere 11:55, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

One further suggestion would be to cut down on the history in the lead, and write instead about the Demographics and Governance. As it is common for only leads to be read, it's a good idea to touch upon all sections in your article. The lead should roughly reflect the body anyway, per WP:LEAD. I do want to devote more time to GANs, but I wouldn't want to start one I can't definitely say I have the time to doing a full and proper job on. Don't worry if no-one has engaged yet, it is common for a couple of months to pass between nomination and review. CMD (talk) 14:07, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it! – Olympian ^loquere 23:04, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Telavi uezd and others

Hi Olympian. When you're converting inline cite to short form refs, as you did here, make sure to convert any related refnames. Otherwise they leave ugly red error messages in the article. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 13:45, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed those. Thanks for fixing them. Regards, – Olympian ^loquere 23:13, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

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Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 update: You have been added as a party

Hello Olympian,

You were recently added as a party to the Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 arbitration case. The evidence phase has been extended and will close at February 21, 2023. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3/Evidence. Please add your evidence by February 21, 2023, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Armenia-Azerbaijan 3/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.

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Zaven Korkotyan and Kapan

Hello Olympian,

Your recent edits to the Kapan article are not really an improvement or particularly encyclopedic in my eyes, but I would rather discuss the matter with you here than just go ahead and revert you. As I see you have acknowledged before on this talk page, the Zavek Korkotyan source added is not only outdated, being almost a century old, but contains a number of errors and other problems given it’s age and the available means of statistical and historical research at the time. Are there any other sources available that state that the 31 villages added are all historically part of the modern-day city limits of Kapan?

Also the 1886 nationality section is not really encyclopedic. Nationality is not the right word, as the table refers to ethnicity, “Tatar” is not a nationality. And mentioning a single ethnicity for an entire village at a set point in time when demographics were known to be fluctuant and populations were known to be mixed, does not seem beneficial to readers. I believe we can find a better way to add potential new information about past villages incorporated into modern-day Kapan into the article. Would you mind providing the page # for the Korkotyan source and providing an additional, preferably more modern, source? Looking forward to your response. TagaworShah (talk) 04:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tagawor. Certainly, the page numbers are 58–59 (for 1897 & 1926 populations) and 134–135 (for 1831–1931 populations), they're all under the settlement entry number 1467. Whilst certain users have raised qualms about the reliability of Korkotyan's work, the fact is that the Armenian Government cites it for historic village populations in its official index of settlements, see page 4, and such organisations as ANI Armenian Research Centre and CivilNet have made publications, authored by Tatul Hakobyan, based on Korkotyan's work [6] [7], meaning that it's clearly relevant and reliably used to this day.

In regards to the addition itself, I'm happy to reorganise it in a way that's encyclopedic, I believe that it's important for the reader to note that the modern city of Kapan grew from the consolidation (and later absorption) of neighbouring villages. In the meantime, I will look for additional sources. The Korkotyan source has more advanced village populations rather than showing the main one at the time, I just wrote the main one to not overwhelm the reader with information. Regards, – Olympian ^loquere 04:37, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately this does not address my concerns. Modern researchers citing a century-old source in their research is different than a Wikipedia editor directly citing the work. Many old sources contain both good and bad information, professional researchers have the academic authority to use these sources correctly, however, that cannot be said for Wikipedia editors, which is why I still find the use of the source problematic unless you are citing a modern researcher that used the source in their material. Also you did not address my concerns on the unencylopedic nature of the edits, I agree that its important for readers to know that Kapan was formed from various historical villages, however that was not the concerns that were listed above regarding the use of 1886 “nationalities” in the table, and the table itself being generally overkill for the article. Best, TagaworShah (talk) 04:51, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

As I said, I'm fine with you restructuring it in a way that's more suitable for the article. Moreover, in regards to the 1886 nationalities, the original source labels the column Գլխավոր ազգություն 1886 թ. հիման վրա ("The main nationality based on the year 1886"), so it would be OR to relabel them as being the "ethnicities". Korkotyan's work is already a secondary-source which consolidates numerous primary sources' data, it doesn't require a third historian/researcher to interpret it, and it's not a exactly century old either, so I'll have to disagree. Wikipedia editors familiar with the subject are sufficiently qualified to add the book's data to Wiki, see for example RevolutionSaga's additions to the demographics of the village of Shurnukh or Musayelyan. Regards, – Olympian ^loquere 05:21, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

With all due respect, a mistranslation is not “original research,” the concept of a nationality as defined in that source does not match the English concept of a nationality, rather it refers to an ethnicity, Tatar, Greek, Armenian etc. being ethnicities is a well-accepted fact, not original research. This is even more indication that section should be removed from the article. I take the first sentence of your reply that you are ok with me removing that section based on the concerns given in my original message above, correct? As for the source, its still undoubtably outdated and contains errors due to the limited nature of statistical and historical research of the time, I do not agree that Wikipedia editors have the authority to properly use such a source if they are “familiar” with the material. Even you’ve acknowledged the numerous shortcomings of the source before. A second reliable, more modern source should be added to verify a lot of the data being added in these articles. TagaworShah (talk) 05:44, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm willing to compromise by renaming the column to "Ethnicity" per the translation intricacies, however, I'm not convinced that the list of villages comprising Kapan is unfit for the article. Despite that, I'll keep searching for additional sources to affirm the list and that perhaps even provide their official Russian toponyms rather than the lengthy Armenian names. Regards, – Olympian ^loquere 06:12, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Erivan Governorate → Yerevan Governorate

Hi, Olympian! The discussion on your requested move is now closed, so I will respond to you here. You have referred me to your comment to Necrothesp, in which you have stated that on Wikipedia, the common name trumps all other conventions when the article title is in question. That is not my impression after reading Wikipedia:Article titles § Use commonly recognizable names, which states:

Editors should also consider all five of the criteria for article titles outlined above. Ambiguous or inaccurate names for the article subject, as determined in reliable sources, are often avoided even though they may be more frequently used by reliable sources.

One of those five criteria is Consistency:

Consistency – The title is consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles. Many of these patterns are listed (and linked) as topic-specific naming conventions on article titles, in the box above. (See § Consistent titling, below.)

In the box, we find a link to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names), which states:

If the place does not exist any more, or the article deals only with a place in a period when it held a different name, the widely accepted historical English name should be used.
…
Within articles, places should generally be referred to by the same name as is used in their article title, or a historical name when discussing a past period. Use of one name for a settlement in 2000 does not determine what name we should give the same settlement in 1900 or in 1400, nor the other way around.
…
It is important that the sources be from the appropriate period, namely, the modern era for current names, or the relevant historical period for historical names.

As you can see, in the case of articles about historical provinces, it's not what modern reliable sources are calling it, it's what reliable sources of the time were calling it. — UnladenSwallow (talk) 20:01, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

UnladenSwallow Thanks so much for that insightful answer, I hadn't realised that this rule applied for former places/subdivisions, in that case, many such articles need to be renamed. What would you say is the best method of determining "the widely accepted historical English name"? Should I be assessing sources from a certain time period or is there a list of certain historical sources? Thanks, – Olympian ^loquere 22:19, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Edits on Spitak and Hrazdan article.

Hi,

Can you explain these edits [1], [2]. You removed a lot of content with no edit summary. If the issue is regarding unsourced information, wouldn't it be have been better to have tagged it with 'Source needed' for someone to add a source, maybe even the person that added the sections. Even if there are no sources attributed, “unsourced” isn’t a valid reason to remove unless the information is contentious. KhndzorUtogh (talk) 21:54, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia doesn't allow original research per the policy of verifiability, which is content that an editor has added without a reference. If you find a reliable source for the deleted content, feel free to restore it, that being said, unsourced content doesn't require a {{citation needed}} tag to be removed. I hope that answers your question. – Olympian ^loquere 00:21, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

This explanation leaves me confused instead of making things clearer unfortunately, Olympian- if that was your logic (I haven’t yet said whether I agree with it or not) then why would you restore contentious content such as unsourced Azeri etymology in Armenian villages [8], [9], [10] ? KhndzorUtogh (talk) 15:08, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Regarding verifiability, it's unfortunately not up to us to agree with it or not, it simply a reality of Wikipedia policy. The linked diffs are from October, since then, I've been deleting unsourced etymology while adding the villages' municipalities: [11] [12] [13]. – Olympian ^loquere 23:03, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

I’d appreciate if you answer my question: why are you deleting things in one place due to lack of source while restoring other things elsewhere without a source? KhndzorUtogh (talk) 17:08, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

As already explained, I was reverting an IP (in October, 5 months ago) when I restored the unsourced etymology, since then, I've been deleting unsourced etymology while adding the villages' subdivisions. FYI, I've added references for the etymologies I restored (and deleted one which I couldn't find a source for): [14] [15] [16]. – Olympian ^loquere 04:35, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Armenia-Azerbaijan 3: Proposed decision mentioning you

Hi Olympian, in the open Armenia-Azerbaijan 3 arbitration case, a remedy or finding of fact has been proposed which relates to you. 

Specifically, your warning about sourcing, and your response to it, have been mentioned. A topic ban has been proposed against you.

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Need old reform orthography.

Hello Olympian, Can you explain why you have the old Russian orthography in your edits (in the table of Counties)? in spite of what I did but didn't succeed. -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 13:32, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Uyezd to uezd (again)

Hello Olympian

I saw you want to rename Uyezd to Uezd from User talk:Olympian/Archive 1#Uyezd -> Uezd, and I will fulfill your proposal myself, starting from Ukraine. I hope you support it. -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 09:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Phaisit16207, well done! I'm sorry for my late reply. I saw your work and it's good – I'm open to collaborating on expanding and improving the state of the Russian Empire subdivisions if you'd be interested. I think the articles of the Caucasus Viceroyalty subdivisions serve as a good benchmark for improving the imperial subdivisions in Ukraine, Russia, Poland, the Baltics, etc. Let me know what you think. – Olympian ^loquere 00:12, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for supporting me, I have more encouragement to do what I will do. But I still have concerns about the orthography. I want to use the old orthography, which looks more classic, but someone suggested using the new orthography, nevertheless, I still keep using the old orthography. Again, I hope you support it. -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 18:24, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Armenia-Azerbaijan 3: Arbitration case closed

An arbitration case about the conduct of editors in the Armenia-Azerbaijan topic area has now closed. The final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

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Date formats

Per MOS:DATEUNIFY please don't change dates from one format to a different format that is inconsistent with the rest of the article. If an article has a Template:Use mdy dates on it, please don't change dates to dmy format. GA-RT-22 (talk) 23:39, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

My bad, thanks for letting me know! – Olympian ^loquere 04:31, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Rollo Tomassi

I’m interested in seeing where you go with this. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 05:02, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Kilisa/Zhamatun

HI, With this edit you restored content that had been removed as unsourced but I do not see any info in the source (the link, in my browser, leads just to a general page with no content about Kilisa/Zhamatun) regarding the sentence "The village was populated by Azerbaijanis before the exodus of Azerbaijanis from Armenia after the outbreak of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict". Could you please check where exactly that info is, and quote from it? Thanks. I removed that info from Zhamatun for the time being. WikiHannibal (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm topic banned so I can't comment on that. – Olympian ^loquere 14:33, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Zangezur expedition

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Maps

Hello @Olympian. May I know, where do you make your maps such as this?

I was planning on making maps myself so it would help me a lot if you let me know. Thank you. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 21:29, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi WikiEditor1234567123, you can see my answer here. Best, – Olympian ^loquere 04:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I think you didn't understand my question. By "where do you make your maps such as this" I mean which application do you use to draw the maps? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 07:23, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

For those maps, I used Paint.NET which is free and plugin friendly, however, for my locator maps I've started using Adobe Illustrator lately as it's ideal for vector graphics. – Olympian ^loquere 05:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Btw, did you have in mind about making articles for previous Okrugs of Terek Oblast such as the Voeynno-Ossetinskiy Chechenskiy Okrugs (both existed in the period of 1857–1860)? I'm afraid that even in Russian Wikipedia there's no articles for them, very unfortunate. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 09:38, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I haven't really considered it, I only made articles about the districts that existed until 1917–18. I imagine there's a shortage of sources for these briefly-existing districts, especially since RuWiki does not have articles about them either. I think it would be best to expand the current articles before creating newer, niche ones. – Olympian ^loquere 02:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Zangezur expedition

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Pre-reform Russian

Hello @Olympian. How you doing? Is there a wiki rule regarding pre-reform Russian? Because, I'm not sure if I should write pre-1917 source in it's original (i. e. pre-reform) form, or if I should write it in the modern Russian. Do you know anything about this? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:48, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

In my view, the pre-reform form in the translation note in the lead should be included, while modern Russian form is used elsewhere such as in the infobox. Also, articles like Dagestan Oblast don't need a pre-reform note as the spelling is identical, so it's redundant to include it in that case. – Olympian ^loquere 02:11, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

What about the cites? How should I indicate the cite, as 1 or 2?

1. Де-Саже (1902). "Покореніе Галашек"  [Conquest of Galashki]. Военный Сборникъ (in Russian) (2). СПб.: Тип. Главнаго Управ. Удѣлов – via Wikisource.

2. Де-Саже (1902). "Покорение Галашек"  [Conquest of Galashki]. Военный Сборник (in Russian) (2). СПб.: Тип. Главного Управ. Уделов – via Wikisource.

WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 09:44, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion on whether modern or old script should be used in source titles. I'd recommend you ask in the talk pages of WP:RUS or WP:MOS. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. – Olympian ^loquere 11:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Fyappiy

Hello, how you doing? I have came across this really confusing problem with Fyappiy. The thing is, Fyappiy are commonly known in Russian reliable sources as фяппинцы, фаппийцы, фаппинцы and феппинцы, while in English sources (and these are few) they are known as Feappi. The problem here is that the mentioned English sources aren't really reliable, contain a lot of misinformation (if needed I can demonstrate them) and they're basically copypastes of a single source, one Rixman's book from 1980. Per admin's suggestion (i. e. stick to a transliteration of the reliable Russian sources) it's not clear to me, because if I want to write Fyappiy in plural form, do I have to still add the italicization like this Fyappins? I could possibly avoid this all confusion by using the transliteration Fyappintsy, but that looks awful to be frank. Or perhaps I should write plural form of Fyappiy as "Fyappiy people"? Sorry for bothering you with all this, but could you give me your opinion regarding this? I hope I didn't make this sound too confusing, but I just need to hear an outside opinion. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:31, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

I'm happy to provide a second opinion. In my view, if the English sources are unreliable, you should use the most common Russian variant in transliterated form, which seems to be "фяппинцы" as it gets the most hits on Google. In this case, I would probably write "Fyappins". I hope that helps! Best, – Olympian ^loquere 00:53, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I just had another look over the article and learned that Fyappins are also known as Kists. Are you aware that there is already an article about Kist people, or does it refer to a different ethnic group? – Olympian ^loquere 01:00, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

It refers to the ethnonym Kists which at some point was used to refer to the Fyappiy in the 18–20th centuries. Today it's mostly used to refer to the Pankisian inhabitants of Chechen–Ingush origin. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:39, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Btw could you do copyediting in Fyappiy and point out things you don't like? Also I wanna know how long it took you to make a good article and does my article currently qualify for a good article? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:51, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! But do I need to italicize Fyappiy and Fyappins every time in the article? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:40, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

To make it qualify for a Good Article status, the article should have only reliable sources, be grammatically correct, have proper structure/flow, and fulfil the rest of the requirements of the manual of style. And yes, I would italicise Fyappiy and Fyappins as it's a transliterated term that hasn't (yet) entered the English dictionary. – Olympian ^loquere 13:07, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

I noticed here that apperantly you can't edit the article Fyappiy due to it containing words Armenia and Azerbaijan (even though it's just the name of 2 sources) as you're topic banned. Is there anyway you could point out things in the article for example here? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 10:30, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Sure, the best thing I can suggest is to personally apply the Good Article nomination criteria and fulfil each requirement, then you can nominate it by pasting {{subst:GAN|subtopic=Culture, sociology and psychology}} at the top of the article's talk page. A more specific suggestion is to reword the lead to reflect the article's content and remember that you shouldn't need references in the lead as it should reflect the already referenced text of the article below. Let me know if you have any specific questions.

P.S. Thank you for your efforts in helping add the new pre-reform orthography template. My only remark is that it's unnecessary for the Dagestan Oblast (and probably other oblast articles too) as the pre-reform and modern spelling are identical. Moreover, I think that the pre-reform orthography in the infoboxes should also be swapped to the modern spelling, as the old spelling is already indicated in the note. Best, – Olympian ^loquere 15:09, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Alright thank you. I will leave the [b] note which contains sources mentions the ethnical belogning, otherwise I will try to remove the sources. Btw did I do right the blocks of texts right below the lead and infobox? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:22, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

The rest seems okay, though you shouldn't wiki-link headings such as "Endonyms", wiki-links should only be in body text and templates. – Olympian ^loquere 15:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello once again. How you doing? Do you think the "Notable people" should be included or not in the article? Also what do you say of the current state of lead? Instead of having paragraphs about the Kist and Metskhalin ethnonyms in the lead as they were, I butchered them up and included in a note so that they wouldn't unnecessarily take up space. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 08:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

The lead looks much better now, good work! The notable people section is fine, though it may benefit from references as it appears unsourced. – Olympian ^loquere 09:05, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

But even with the sources, could the "Notable people" section qualify for the good article criteria? What do you say about Composition and Demographics sections? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 09:29, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I think so, as long as it's sourced. For the demographics section, I would add digit separator commas for the population column, because without the comma the population numbers can be confused for years. – Olympian ^loquere 12:12, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but do you think the article is in good shape that now should be the time I requested the GA review? I really struggled with the "Modern" section of history, mainly due to the lack of sources and not really knowing what to write; though I tried my best. If you could again take a look and go through everything (find issues), it would mean a lot to me. Thank you! WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 21:32, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

The article looks good and well sourced, I think it's ready to be nominated for review. Even if it's not ready, the GA reviewer will give suggestions on exactly what needs to be improved for it to qualify. Good luck! – Olympian ^loquere 01:09, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

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Batal Hajji Belkhoroev

Hello again @Olympian. How you doing? I was recently feeling enthusiastic so I decided to make another candidate for GA, which is the newly made article Batal Hajji Belkhoroev about a prominent religious figure. Since there's no mention of either Armenia or Azerbaijan (meaning no topic ban is affected by you editing it), could you go through the article and do little bit of copyediting and what not? To me article looks good enough that I could nominate it for GA. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 09:25, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

I made some copyedits to the article. Some notes for in future: you only need to wikilink things once in the article; secondly, you need not wikilink common or unrelated terms like British people or legendary, see MOS:OVERLINK. Best, – Olympian ^loquere 03:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for answering. Just to clarify, if the 'thing' is linked in the infobox, can I link it again in the lead section? Also, If the thing is linked in the lead, I shouldn't link it every time in notes or in the sections down below, correct? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 09:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

If it's linked in the infobox, note, or a table, you can mention it again in the normal text of the article. However, this isn't the case for the lead which is part of the article's normal text, consider them as one in this respect. I hope that answers your question. – Olympian ^loquere 10:13, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

If it's not too much of a burden for you, could you please connect the article Batal Hajji Belkhoroev with it's Ingush and Russian analogues? It would be helpful if you could teach me how to do it myself too. Thank you! WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 14:27, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

No problem, I've done it. In future, you can follow this guide. Best, – Olympian ^loquere 23:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I think the article is now more or less ready for GA nomination, but I was just wondering if there's any rule which prohibites nominating more than one article at the same time? WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 14:24, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Also, how long does it take for the article to be begun reviewed? Fyappiy article is currently awaiting about two weeks... WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 14:33, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

There is no rule limiting how many articles you can nominate at a time. It's normal to be waiting for months for your article to be reviewed, there's currently a huge backlog of nominations so you may have to be patient. – Olympian ^loquere 21:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Romanization of Ingush

Hello. How you doing? Is there any specific rules on the romanization of Ingush or other minority languages in the Russian Federation that today use Cyrillic alphabet? I think it would be great to use the Ingush latin letters (see this section in) in romanization such as æ which would help us understand how to correctly pronounce a word. Example: Ingush: Махьмад-ХитӀе, romanized: Max́mæd-Xithe, instead of Ingush: Махьмад-ХитӀе, romanized: Mahwmad-Khithe. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:56, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello! I'm afraid I'm unaware of any such rules. For letters like "æ", unless there is a specific romanisation system of Ingush that uses this, I would reserve it for the IPA form (see this). Sorry that I can't be of much help on this matter. – Olympian ^loquere 01:33, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Sources

Hello! How you doing? Do you happen to have reliable sources which mention the Baku gradonachalniks? I was planning to make someday an article for Guda Gudiyev, an Ingush officer who at one time worked as the gradonachalnik of Baku so I thought you would have some sources on this topic. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 12:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Titles

Hello! How you doing? Which titles are more preferred: Ingush okrug and Nazran okrug or simply the transliteration Ingushskiy okrug and Nazranovskiy okrug? Gammer mentions the Ingushskiy okrug as Ingush okrug, while Meskhidze mentions Nazranovskiy okrug as Nazran okrug, so I wanted to know, which titles would be preferred more and if a move is needed. Btw also wanted to thank you for helping me out with the GA nominations; my page Batal Hajji Belkhoroev became my first GA recently! WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:20, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful GA nomination, I was confident the article would pass! Transliterated titles such as Nazranovskiy okrug are preferred where there is no reliably/commonly-used English phrase. In this case, if you believe Gammer and Meskhidze are reliable sources, you may use their terms for the Ingushskiy and Nazranovskiy okrugs, respectively, and move the article pages. – Olympian ^loquere 00:34, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

GA

Hello @Olympian. How you doing? I was wondering if you would be interested in reviewing Nureddin Akhriev if I nominated it for GA? Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 15:53, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Rollo Tomassi (October 4)

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Copy editing

Hello @Olympian! How you doing? Could you please do some copy editing in my GA-nominee Chakh Akhriev and in Nazran uprising? Best regards, WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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