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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page, by a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area, from which the articles are promoted into the Queue.

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Last updated 11:33, 23 July 2019 UTC
Current time is 11:47, 23 July 2019 UTC [refresh]

Instructions for nominatorsEdit

Create a subpage for your new DYK suggestion and then list the page below under the date the article was created or the expansion began or it became a good article (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the bottom. Any registered user may nominate a DYK suggestion (if you are not a registered user, please leave a message at the bottom of the DYK project talk page with the details of the article you would like to nominate and the hook you would like to propose); self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination (consider watchlisting your nomination page).

If this is your first nomination, please read the DYK rules before continuing:
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To nominate an articleEdit

Read these instructions completely before proceeding.
For simplified instructions, see User:Rjanag/Quick DYK 2.
I.
Create the nomination subpage.

Enter the article title in the box below and click the button. (To nominate multiple articles together, enter any or all of the article titles.) You will then be taken to a preloaded nomination page.


II.
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On the nomination page, fill in the relevant information. See Template:NewDYKnomination and {{NewDYKnomination/guide}} for further information.

  • Not every line of the template needs to be filled in. For instance, if you are not nominating an image to appear with your hook, there is no need to fill in the image-related lines.
  • Add an edit summary e.g. "Nominating YOUR ARTICLE TITLE for DYK" and click Save page.
  • Make sure the nomination page is on your watchlist, so you can follow the review discussion.
III.

In the current nominations section find the subsection for the date on which the article was created or on which expansion began (or, if a new Good Article, the date on which it became a GA), not the date on which you make the nomination.

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How to review a nominationEdit

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, suggest new hooks, or even lend a hand and make edits to the article to which the hook applies so that the hook is supported and accurate. For a more detailed discussion of the DYK rules and review process see the supplementary guidelines and the WP:Did you know/Reviewing guide.

To post a comment or review on a DYK nomination, follow the steps outlined below:

  • Look through this page, Template talk:Did you know, to find a nomination you would like to comment on.
  • Click the "Review or comment" link at the top of the nomination. You will be taken to the nomination subpage.
  • The top of the page includes a list of the DYK criteria. Check the article to ensure it meets all the relevant criteria.
  • To indicate the result of the review (i.e., whether the nomination passes, fails, or needs some minor changes), leave a signed comment on the page. Please begin with one of the 5 review symbols that appear at the top of the edit screen, and then indicate all aspects of the article that you have reviewed; your comment should look something like the following:

    Article length and age are fine, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns, reliable sources are used. But the hook needs to be shortened.

    If you are the first person to comment on the nomination, there will be a line :* <!-- REPLACE THIS LINE TO WRITE FIRST COMMENT, KEEPING :* --> showing you where you should put the comment.
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Instructions for other editorsEdit

How to promote an accepted hookEdit

  • See Wikipedia:Did you know/Preparation areas for full instructions.
  • Hooks that have been approved are located on the approved nominations page.
  • In one window, open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to promote.
  • In another window, open the prep set you intend to add the hook to.
  • In the prep set...
    • Paste the hook into the hook area (be sure to not paste in that that)
    • Paste the credit information ({{DYKmake}} and/or {{DYKnom}}) into the credits area.
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted [[Jane Fonda]]", preview, and save
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    • change {{DYKsubpage to {{subst:DYKsubpage
    • change |passed= to |passed=yes
    • Add an edit summary, e.g. "Promoted to Prep 3", preview, and save

How to remove a rejected hookEdit

  • Open the DYK nomination subpage of the hook you would like to remove. (It's best to wait several days after a reviewer has rejected the hook, just in case someone contests or the article undergoes a large change.)
  • In the window where the DYK nomination subpage is open, replace the line {{DYKsubpage with {{subst:DYKsubpage, and replace |passed= with |passed=no. Then save the page. This has the effect of wrapping up the discussion on the DYK nomination subpage in a blue archive box and stating that the nomination was unsuccessful, as well as adding the nomination to a category for archival purposes.

How to remove a hook from the prep areas or queueEdit

  • Edit the prep area or queue where the hook is and remove the hook and the credits associated with it.
  • Go to the hook's nomination subpage (there should have been a link to it in the credits section).
    • View the edit history for that page
    • Go back to the last version before the edit where the hook was promoted, and revert to that version to make the nomination active again.
    • Add a new icon on the nomination subpage to cancel the previous tick and leave a comment after it explaining that the hook was removed from the prep area or queue, and why, so that later reviewers are aware of this issue.
  • Add a transclusion of the template back to this page so that reviewers can see it. It goes under the date that it was first created/expanded/listed as a GA. You may need to add back the day header for that date if it had been removed from this page.
  • If you removed the hook from a queue, it is best to either replace it with another hook from one of the prep areas, or to leave a message at WT:DYK asking someone else to do so.

How to move a nomination subpage to a new nameEdit

  • Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.

NominationsEdit

Older nominationsEdit

Articles created/expanded on April 2Edit

Nasir-ud-Daulah

 
Nasir-ud-Daulah

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 10:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC).

  •   Full review needed. It's been nearly three weeks without any follow-up. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:55, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Article meets the technical requirements. Assuming good faith for the offline sources. No close paraphrasing found, QPQ done. However, the children table lacks a reference, and I feel that the current hook might be too prosaic to be hooky. Perhaps a better hook could be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:21, 9 May 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: The children table has been removed. New hook
I think that's a much better hook. Will try to give this a full review by tomorrow. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 14:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
I apologize for the delay as I had been caught up in other matters. Anyway, I have two issues at the moment: firstly, the sentence discussing ALT1 lacks a footnote. Secondly, are there more details about this revenue administration system? The sentence that comes after seems to talk more about government administration than the revenue administration. Or was that sentence the one which discussed the revenue administration system? The wording isn't very clear on that. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 07:53, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: I have now added an inline cite
Comment I know we've moved on from Alt0, but just in case: 'restrained' is probably not the intended word. Refrained? --valereee (talk) 00:19, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
@Valereee: Probably. I am not a native speaker of English. What I meant that Lord Bentick did not interfere into Hyderabad state during the reign of the Nizam Nasir-ud-daulah. RRD (talk) 09:15, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Royroydeb, 'refrained from interfering', then! He might have 'restrained himself from interfering' also. It's a mistake even native speakers might make. --valereee (talk) 10:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
I think my issue with ALT2 is that it uses simply "Nizam" despite being a relatively unfamiliar word: using the full term "Nizam of Hyderabad" might be a better option here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:07, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

I have reviewed this nomination. The article is long enough, new enough, QPQ is done, but there are content issues. starship.paint (talk) - last update 00:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

  • ALT3 is apparently sourced to Briggs 2007, p. 114. I have an online preview of Briggs, it's actually a free eBook [1] and I'm reading page 114 and there's no mention of the Berar Province on page 114. It does say "territory ceded by the Nizam in liquidation of these debts" to the British. Please address this Royroydeb. You might have to look through Appendix B from page 381 onwards. This will affect the lede too. starship
  • Article: mother was Fazilatunnisa Begum, who was the daughter of a slave. He was given the title Nasir-ud-Daulah by his father Briggs source page 104: mother is Chandee Begum, no other information given. Kasturi source, no such information. This will affect the lede and the infobox too. starship
  • Article: Nasir-ud-Daulah's father Nizam Sikandar Jah died on 21 May 1829. Sourced to Briggs page 104, which does not say that. starship
  • Article text: He was born at the Purani Haveli, Hyderabad, in present-day Telangana, India. Article infobox and Kasturi source: he was born in Bidar. Briggs source: no mention. This will affect the infobox. starship
  • Article: He inherited a financially troubled state because of the irregularities of the prime minister Maharaja Chandu Lal. Your source: Raja Chandulal, who was assistant revenue minister starship
  • Article: he ascended the throne of Hyderabad at the Chowmahalla Palace. Infobox: crowned at Chowmahalla Palace. Sourced to Briggs page 104, which does not say that. starship
  • Article: The Nizam's debts to the British increased daily. Source, Kate, page 35: Government was becoming heavily indebted to the British. These aren't exactly the same in meaning. starship
  • Article: almost the entirety of Beed and Osmanabad districts. Source, Kate, page 36: extensive portions of Bhir and Osmanabad. Again, these aren't the same in meaning, and is Beed really Bhir? starship
  • Article: The moneylenders became powerful, which enraged the zamindars (aristocrats) and the large jagirdars. Are you sure this is present in Kate, page 36? starship
  • Article: Prime Minister Siraj-ul-Mulk - Outlook source: does not say Prime Minister. starship
  • Article: treaty with The Earl of Dalhousie, the Governor-general of India. Briggs page 114 does not exactly say that the treaty was signed with the Earl. starship
  • Article: Nasir-ud-Daulah appointed some workers of the East India Company as confidential servants to various districts of the state to monitor the activities of revenue officers, to suppress any rebellion - I'm not seeing "workers of the East India Company" and "suppress any rebellion" in Briggs. starship
  • Article: The Nizam's Contingent ceased to be a part of the Nizam's army and became an army kept by the British. Briggs page 114 says that the British paid the Nizam's officers, but not what the article said. starship
  • Article: died at the Manjli Begum ki Haveli at Hyderabad - this isn't in the British Library source. I have a limited access to Nizam-British Relations, 1724–1857, but this source did state his date of death without stating his place of death. ... Nawab Nasir-ud-Daula died on the 16th May 1857. During the course of his long reign Nawab Nasir-ud-Daula seemed to have realised the futility of trying to resist the British. So he advised Nawab Afzal-ud-Daula, prior to his death, to adhere to the British alliance. This will affect the infobox. starship
  • Lede: princely state of British India - this isn't in the body, needs a source starship
  • Infobox: Consort Dilwarunnisa Begum - this needs a source starship
  • Infobox: Issue Jahangir Ali Khan - this needs a source starship
  • Infobox: Nasir-Ud-Daulah Asaf Jah IV - that contradicts with the lede Mir Farqunda Ali Khan Siddiqi Asaf Jah lV starship
  • Infobox: Religion Islam - this needs a source starship

  @Royroydeb: - please address the content issues in the body above. starship.paint (talk) 06:42, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 6Edit

Amy Wax

Created by Mhym (talk). Self-nominated at 02:43, 6 April 2019 (UTC).

  •   Comment. There was an earlier (first paragraphs nearly identical, except for some deletions by the nom in this second one) version of this page at AFC by an editor other than the nom here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Amy_Wax&action=edit&redlink=1 In some ways that earlier version was better -- it had footnotes for every assertion in the first few paragraphs, while in this version nom took them out. This version also needs grammar cleanup - "the" and "a" and similar words were dropped from the first version, where needed. Also, some facts, like that the subject attended Harvard Law School, were deleted for some reason. I think if the first version is made viewable and this one is improved along these lines this will be better for approval for this category. Also, when in this version nom writes "Amy Wax has been called "notorious..", maybe it would be an improvement to say by whom. Also, it may be a good idea to have the controversy paragraph, which presents only one side, instead comply with wp:npov (representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic; and switching out "claimed" for "said"; etc.).2604:2000:E010:1100:A066:E3A3:DD44:3FFC (talk) 17:02, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
  • This is a stub, not a WP:GA. I agree it can use some work. That's part of the purpose of DYK - to bring attention to new or newly revised article, if I remember correctly. As to your assertion - I did not copy anyone's previous article but wrote from scratch instead. Some technical wording is copied from Wax's CV, which may explain similarities. I don't think terminology and official award titles are a copyvio. Please fee free to improve the article and/or the hook. Mhym (talk) 07:12, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks. First, can an admin please make available the article that was hidden from view here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Amy_Wax&action=edit&redlink=1 ? It has important information that should be in this article, for one thing. Its was created before this draft, its deletion followed shortly (by mere hours) the submission of this article, and its deletion is not un-controversial (which was the asserted basis for its deletion).
Second, I agree a stub is fine. But for an article to appear at DYK on the main page, I think we should be careful to have footnotes for every assertion. The deleted draft had them - for the same information where the footnotes are missing here. One of the reasons I have asked for the deleted draft page to be restored.
The prior version also has fixes to the grammatical problems of missing words that I noted we have in this second version. For the main page, I do not think we want such errors.
Also, you did not say anything about the problem I pointed out with the controversy paragraph you drafted. It presents only one side. I think for the main page in particular, we would want to comply with wp:npov. This does not. To do that we would have to represent fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on the topic. We would also switch out "claimed" for "said", as wp:npov suggests.2604:2000:E010:1100:CD84:F876:2C42:BC9E (talk) 22:08, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
  • As far as providing all the refs and links - I don't have access to those which used to be there. Please help me with this if you have them. I guess I don't see any vio of WP:NPOV. Basically, it's all biographical, no opinion based. As in she said something. Others didn't like it. Some people called on UPenn to fire her. UPenn didn't. What exactly is non-neutral here? Reporting groundswell of support of Wax? I don't know if that happened. Mhym (talk) 01:30, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Happy to help. I've now twice asked the editor who deleted it to restore it (in addition, it its deletion is not controversial, the reason given for deleting it). I've also asked here - maybe an admin here will help. It has more information (her attending Harvard Law, family background, etc). If you read NPOV, you will see that the cherry-picking of those with one view of her statement, while leaving out completely those who support her statement (or her right to make it), is something we are supposed to try to avoid. There are a number of articles pointing out the other camp; in your research you would have seen them. If you want me to, I will do the work. Also, saying "claimed" instead of "said" - as the guideline states - is a sign of not being sensitive to the need for npov. The guideline explains why. Anyway, once we get the original draft, which was more complete and had all the references that are missing, I will be happy to help you get this promoted. BTW - what inspired you to write this article just now (unless it was coincidence), while there was another draft article awaiting promotion (that incident was in the news, but quite a while ago)?2604:2000:E010:1100:B951:7500:D62B:D57A (talk) 00:53, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Glad to hear you can help. I came across critique/praise of her research work, tried to look her up and found no WP article. I don't care for the controversies and didn't hear them at the time. But they clearly make her notable, probably more than her research work, unfortunately. Thus I included the section. AFIK, the wording can be massaged and improved in any way. That's also why I made a DYK nom - so that other editor help improve on the article while I am no longer very involved. Mhym (talk) 05:06, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Great. I am happy to help you improve this article as soon as an admin helps us by restoring for reference the draft that preceded this one, with the relevant text and footnotes that this later version is missing. It was deleted as a "non-controversial" deletion, but since there is now controversy about it being deleted, I hope an admin can restore it (at least long enough for us to look at it to improve this one). Then we can improve this, improve the npov issue, and put this in shape for a DYK for you. 2604:2000:E010:1100:B951:7500:D62B:D57A (talk) 05:26, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Here, see why this was so weird! Just when the draft of this subject was cleared of any question of copyvio, after it had been sitting awaiting for a couple of days for all to see, as it awaited promotion to article status -- that was the very same day of all days that your article was created! [2] And its not as though she was in the news that day, or week, or month. And as you can see, the article that had been put up for review prior to your draft is very similar (except for the last paragraph that yours added). [3] I will work now to help you to make your draft better, adding the omitted footnotes, etc.2604:2000:E010:1100:D0B2:B1DE:173C:580 (talk) 17:08, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your work! The article is in a good shape now and ready for review. Mhym (talk) 19:21, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Drive-by comment: I would recommend against using the word "controversial" in a hook without explaining how she has been controversial. feminist (talk) 06:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
  • Came to suggest the same thing. Taken by itself, "controversial" is confusing because it doesn't define what kind of statements caused the controversy. hinnk (talk) 03:49, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  •   I agree with the above two comments. I think the article itself is now fine. I added the footnotes from the prior article, so that every assertion has a footnote. And there is now a balance in the controversy section, with views on both sides reflected -- rather than just one side. But as the prior editors point out, the hook could use some massaging (also, the bit in the third hook about race relations isn't quite accurate). 2604:2000:E010:1100:A82D:DCDC:4C65:430B (talk) 16:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   - New enough, long enough, inline citations checks out. I prefer the second hook. Good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 11:24, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

  I've had to pull this from prep for two reasons: firstly, there were objections by other editors above that the word "controversial" shouldn't be used in the hook, and secondly, the nominator appears to have more than five DYK credits (based on their talk page) and appears to have not done a QPQ. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

I am the nominator. My last nom was in 2010. I have no idea what is QPQ, but I am guessing this is a post-2010 invention. For practical purposes, after so many years, I am a newcomer. Please WP:DBN! Mhym (talk) 16:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
As your last nomination was before the QPQ rule was implemented, perhaps there could be an WP:IAR case here and ignore that requirement for the purposes of this nomination (if you want to read more about the rule, please read WP:QPQ). However, there is still the problem of the hooks having the word "controversial", which other editors have objected to. One possible solution could be to simply delete the word from the hooks, though I'm not sure if there's consensus that this would solve the issue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:01, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I am the 2604 IP above. I'm ok with the article, and ok with the hook with the word controversial (it is a hook -- it is supposed to hook the reader in to get them to read more, not explain everything .. as wp:hook says it should be "short, punchy, catchy, and likely to draw the readers in to wanting to read the article") or without the word controversial. 2604:2000:E010:1100:A4C1:B86F:6F82:993D (talk) 03:58, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
You may want to read WP:BLP. In any case, I think referring to a living person as "controversial", especially on the main page, regardless of whatever really happened, is a very very bad idea. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:56, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I would actually prefer ALT2 which moves "controversial" away from Dr. Wax to her statements. There is no BLP issue in that case, as numerous issues are controversial by their nature, including race relations. Mhym (talk) 14:09, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Agree. And her comments being controversial is mentioned and referenced in the article itself. And -- get this -- the living person herself (Wax) wrote in the Wall Street Journal that she wrote "a controversial op-ed." I don't see a BLP issue here at all, under the circumstances. 2604:2000:E010:1100:9DA0:73BE:71E9:B67E (talk) 16:54, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
There still appears to be reservations about the use of the word "controversial", and based on the comments by Feminist and Hinnk above, I'm not sure if ALT2 would be enough to allay those concerns. A new direction may be needed in any case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:14, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I was initially in that camp, above. But now am with the majority. Given the points made above. But anyway, how about changing it to "controversial statements regarding Black law school student performance." That's actually probably better. 2604:2000:E010:1100:4C10:48F3:E1AA:BC6A (talk) 02:01, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Mhym: As this has been stuck for a while now, can a new hook please be proposed here? One that does not include the word "controversial", due to the concerns raised by other editors. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:58, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Since the time that those reservations were raised by me and others, I've changed my view for the above reasons. And importantly I've pointed out that the subject of the article herself used the word "controversial" to describe her op-ed - making our use of it less than controversial. So, I think the old concerns, which preceded that being pointed out, are addressed now. And propose that we use the below more precise construct:
"ALT3:... that American academic Amy Wax, who made controversial statements regarding Black law school student performance, graduated from Harvard Medical School before becoming a lawyer?"
I'm not sure about this: sure it may be a self-description, but I'm still uncomfortable with its use either way. In any case, you may need to contact those other editors to see if their reservations can be allayed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:01, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
I contacted the two of them to see if they still had reservations, given the above. In the meantime, I agree with Mhym and BabbaQ (who had promoted it), with the ALT3 approach. 2604:2000:E010:1100:7DB3:9666:7A65:4DF9 (talk) 15:42, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
While I left talk page messages for the two editors, neither have indicated any continuing concerns since we revised the suggested hook and had the above explanatory conversation (including how Wax herself uses the selfsame phrase). It has been three additional weeks. I would urge reinstating the promotion to DYK that BabbaQ had earlier made, under the circumstances. 2604:2000:E010:1100:8117:60DA:D25F:4958 (talk) 16:09, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Or we could have a second reviewer take a look at the hooks as well; I'm not comfortable with the use of the word "controversial" even if it came from the subject herself, though other editors can still approve it if they think otherwise. Courtesy ping BabbaQ. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   I also have concerns about saying "controversial" in the hook. There is also no context in ALT0 or ALT1 as to why "controversial" is relevant. Considering that four editors are expressing concerns, those two hooks should be struck. ALT2 and ALT3 are marginally better with context, but they do not demonstrate a connection between statements on race and graduating from the school. I might reconsider reworded versions of ALT2 and ALT3. There are also many other facts in the Amy Wax article which could be used for a hook, and I would prefer to have other hooks proposed for this nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 20Edit

LGBT history in Poland

  • ... that despite its long history, Polish LGBT people started organizing only in the 80s?

Created by KamillaŚ (talk). Self-nominated at 20:04, 20 April 2019 (UTC).

  •   I would love to get this through, but the article is lacking citations for a lot of text, and needs a copyedit. I'll wait for a response and see if there are significant updates. Kingsif (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
    • @Kingsif: I added the citations in place of all "citation neededs" and clarified few parts. but I would love to see someone help me with writing style, copyedit etc, as its not my strongest side in english. KamillaŚ (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I made some corrections and added something. And maybe we should consider a more eye-catching DYK question - e.g. ... that throughout its history homosexuality has never been criminalized by the Polish law? (However, we would have to make sure whether it's really true.). BasileusAutokratorPL (talk) 13:22, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

  It looks mostly OK, but there are some serious concerns in the article. Firstly, it seems to contradict itself in the lead by saying that there have never been any Polish laws that persecute LGBT people, and then also says homosexuality was decriminalized in 1932 so this requires some clarification. Secondly, there are some POV issues. The statement in the lead that "Homophobia has been a common public attitude in Poland, thanks to the influence of Catholic Church in Polish public life, and the widespread conservatism of Polish society." is a clear POV indictment of the Catholic Church and perpetuates the misconception that the Church's opposition to homosexuality is based in homophobia (I am not saying there are no homophobic Catholics, but it is factually false to claim this is the reason the Catholic Church as an institution has historically opposed LGBT rights). Similarly, in the Second Polish Republic section, the article attributes the Catholic cultural taboo on homosexuality to ignorance. I do not see how that cannot be construed as a POV violation. (Keep in mind WP:OUTRAGE: Even perspectives you find morally offensive must be accurately portrayed). As another point, it should be mentioned in the main text that there is significant controversy over the sexual/asexual nature of adelphopoiesis, relegating that mention to a footnote makes this paragraph, in its context, seem to imply that these relationships were definitively sexual. Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 21:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

@Ashorocetus, KamillaŚ, Kingsif, and BasileusAutokratorPL: Seeing as it is a DYK and not a GA, I think it would be sufficient to fix the lead. The POV and bias and such of claims in the main body can be discussed on the article's talk. Through the fact that the nominator has not joined this discussion in two months suggests this may soon be failed due to this, unless someone else wants to take a stab at the lead, at least? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:37, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Comment: if there are POV issues and bias in the body of the article, then just fixing the lead won't fly: the entire article needs to be free of these issues per DYK rules. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Comment. I left a note on the creators/nomintators page about input needed here. They have been active since on en wiki but chose to ignore it (or didn't see it). Not much we can do outside yet another ping (User:KamillaŚ). If they don't reply in a week or so this probably should be closed, as nobody seems to be interested in addressing issues raised in the review. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Comment: @Piotrus: sorry for not replying earlier, but i can work on making the article npov and address your concerns soon! KamillaŚ (talk) 14:56, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Great to hear back from you, looking fwd to rescuing this! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 22Edit

Matthew H. Todd, Alice Motion

 
Professor Matt Todd
  • Comment: (1) I've offered ALTs to try for an informative and clear under-200 character wording. I think it is desirable to name the school involved, and also Turing if possible. Alternatives welcome.
    (2) Pkin8541 is new to DYK and fairly new to WP.
    (3) Todd article written in Draft space and moved to article space by Hughesdarren on 22 April 2019 – added to DYK nomination page for 22 April
    (4) Motion article written in Draft space and moved to article space by Pkin8541 on 24 April 2019
    (5) I (EdChem) will need to provide two QPQ reviews.

Created/expanded by Pkin8541 (talk). Nominated by EdChem (talk) at 02:11, 26 April 2019 (UTC).

I think it's important to quickly mention that it was price-hiked - some drugs are more expensive because there's a smaller number of people needing it, for example.

Pkin8541 (talk) 02:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Axem Titanium (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

QPQ:  N - Not yet? @EdChem:
Overall:   Articles look good. I've suggested ALT6 below. Thoughts? @Pkin8541: Axem Titanium (talk) 23:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Axem Titanium: I like it with a minor change to "synthesised it for less than 0.1%" Pkin8541 (talk) 00:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok with me for ALT7. Axem Titanium (talk) 01:53, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

@EdChem: everything else besides the QPQ are good to go. Axem Titanium (talk) 22:43, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Seems that EdChem has taken a wikibreak of sorts, but it seems a shame not to promote this one, especially considering that the primary author of both articles, Pkin8541, is a DYK newbie (EdChem only assisted with the nomination itself). I'm inclined to IAR and waive the QPQ requirements.   Axem Titanium (talk) 18:57, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  Terribly sorry, Axem Titanium, but I can't recall the last time a QPQ was waived, especially for two articles. We specifically closed the loophole a few years back and made nominators responsible for supplying QPQs, and given how many nominations are crying out for a review (probably 100+), I would be opposed to allowing an exception here. If someone would like to donate two QPQs to the cause in EdChem's absence, that's fine. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. If @Pkin8541: would like to help review a DYK for the QPQ, that would work too. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:29, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   It's not clear why you're trying to tell the whole story in the hook rather than dangling a line (or "hook") to get readers to click on the article. All these hooks are also pushing 200 characters and are not easy to parse. Yoninah (talk) 22:43, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm willing to donate some of my unused QPQs for this nomination. With that said, has it been considered that, if it will be difficult to have an acceptable hook with both articles, what could instead be done is to write two separate hooks for each of the DYK subjects? Another option, if possible, could be to simply drop the pharmaceutical angle and go in a new direction. @EdChem, Pkin8541, Axem Titanium, BlueMoonset, and Yoninah:. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:11, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • My apologies to all involved, I have been swamped in the real world and horrified by the WMF and the Fram thing and so not logging in and just watching as an IP when I've had time. Were these my articles / expansions, I would see the nominations being failed for lack of QPQ as fair, but as has been noted, I nominated them to recognise the work of Pkin8541, a new editor. I am comfortable with Narutolovehinata5 donating QPQs and replacing me as nominator, and I agree with BlueMoonset that waiving QPQs as Pkin8541 is a new editor is not justified because I am not a new editor and am well aware of the DYK rules (though I appreciate Axem Titanium's suggestion and concur with its intent). An alternative of treating the nomination as a self-nom and using 2 of Pkin8541's QPQ-free DYKs (by removing my nominator credits) is also a solution I would accept. I did do some minor editing of the articles / references for the DYK nomination but the main page appearance giving me no credits is fine – the WMF already has me doubting whether to continue as a Wikipedian, sadly. Having said that, I could do the QPQs within a few days... but I don't feel entitled to any more latitude than has already been given and will understand and accept a promotion to queues that sees me go uncredited.
  • On the hook, I think the later ALTs should refer to "the Sydney Grammar students who synthesised it" rather than "the Sydney Grammar students that synthesised it." My original wording had "the group ... that", and possibly should have been "the group ... who", but I certainly think that "the students ... who" is far preferable to "the students ... that". ALT7 should also say "less than 0.1%" rather than "less 0.1%", in order to make sense. On hook length, I agree with Yoninah on length and complexity and struggled for a "hooky" hook that was shorter but still meaningful. Suggestions welcome. In the meantime:
  • ALT7a: ... that after pyrimethamine was price hiked by 5000%, Matthew H. Todd (pictured) and Alice Motion supported the Sydney Grammar students who synthesised it for under 0.1% of its retail cost?
  • ALT8: ... that after pyrimethamine was price hiked by 5000%, Matthew H. Todd (pictured) and Alice Motion supported the Sydney Grammar students who synthesised it cheaply?
  • ALT8a: ... that after pyrimethamine was price hiked by 5000%, Matthew H. Todd (pictured) and Alice Motion supported the Sydney Grammar students who showed it could be synthesised cheaply?
Regards, EdChem (talk) 07:17, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALTs 7a, 8, and 8a look better, thanks, EdChem. But I think you need to identify who these bolded people are, preceding the names with "British chemists". Yoninah (talk) 10:45, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Yoninah, Todd is British but was working at the University of Sydney at the time, as was Motion, who is Australian... I did wonder about adding "chemists" or "chemistry academics", or perhaps "Sydney University chemists", as in:
I also wonder if the surprise that the synthesis was done by high school students is unclear for those who don't know that Sydney Grammar is a high school (albeit an elite academically selective one), and have wondered about something like:
EdChem (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you, EdChem, ALT8c is a great hook! We just need the 2 QPQs and will be ready to go. Yoninah (talk) 15:21, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
I could donate, but only if EdChem says they will be unable to do so. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 24Edit

Teladorsagia circumcincta

  • Comment: Just published by the WikiJournal of Science [4], and turned from a stub into a peer-reviewed article (note that Evolution and evolvability did not create the text; they just updated it from the published article, as the journal's Editor).

5x expanded by Evolution and evolvability (talk). Nominated by Elmidae (talk) at 00:35, 26 April 2019 (UTC).

  • Major recent expansion, no copyvio detected, large enough  Quetzal1964 (talk) 12:15, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
  @Elmidae and Evolution and evolvability: The proposed hook gives the impression that protein deficiency is a prerequisite for heavy infections whereas my reading of the article is that protein deficiency is a result of heavy infections. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
That's a good point; my phrasing is actually quite misleading there. Let me propose two alternatives:
- or, based on a less important but more hooky facet:
--Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
I have numbered your new hooks ALT1 and ALT2 and added the word "spores" to the article. Let's ask @Quetzal1964: to give a tick if these hooks are acceptable. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Mike Stear: in relation to ALT1 I think it is more accurate to say that "... sheep infected with the parasitic nematode Teladorsagia circumcincta may suffer from protein deficiency". In relation to ALT2 I think that it is better to say "... sheep infected with the parasitic nematode Teladorsagia circumcincta can be given fungal spores which will develop in the faeces, kill developing larvae and reduce the transmission of parasites between sheep. - MStear (talk contribs‎) 17:06, 20 June 2019‎

Re the latter, I think that may be too long for a hook. While the shorter phrasing is of course not as detailed as it could be, I don't think it's factually wrong? --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 17:40, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on April 26Edit

Tomb of Imam Zamin

 
Tomb of Imam Zamin

Created by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 11:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC).

  • I've removed the particular phrase, used in the hook per WP:WEASEL. Need a new hook. WBGconverse 09:46, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric:
  • ALT1:... that the Tomb of Imam Zamin is the last addition to the Qutb Minar complex? RRD (talk) 12:20, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
     Y Hook looks good (I can't think of anything more interesting) though I am thinking of some way to punch the above fact with its being constructed after about a century of others. Article okay from all aspects. WBGconverse 12:46, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
  •   Full review needed; too little detail from previous one and no DYK icon given. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   This article is new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the ALT1 hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Unfortunately, it is not the last addition to the complex. Other structures have been built, although they may not be part of the UNESCO site nomination. Abductive (reasoning) 04:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: The information in the hook is correct as it is sourced from a book published by the archaeological survey of India. Probably @Abductive: have a confusion about Mehrauli Archaeological Park being a part of the Qutb complex which is not. RRD (talk) 09:27, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
A book on the archeology will of course omit things like Metcalfe's Folly which was built on the Qutb complex in the 1800s. But no, the hook is not correct. Abductive (reasoning) 16:31, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Due to concerns about ALT1, it has been struck. I've taken another look at the article but it appears that there's nothing else that could be used as a hook (other than that it's part of a complex that's a World Heritage Site). I'll give this some thought over the next few days, but I may mark this for closure if nothing else can be done here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:14, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 3Edit

What is Democracy?

  • ... that The Allegory of Good and Bad Government is a discussion point in What Is Democracy?? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that What Is Democracy? interviews people from barbers to philosophers? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Converted from a redirect by StudiesWorld (talk). Self-nominated at 20:58, 3 May 2019 (UTC).

  • I should note that this was my first DYK nom for QPQ review. PublicWorld (talk) 18:04, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Will review soon. – Teratix 04:56, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   The article is new enough and long enough, neutral, and cites reliable sources inline (excepting sentences previously sourced to IMDb, which will need to be replaced with better citations). No copyright problems Earwig or I could detect. No QPQ required and the hook is within 200 characters.
  • However, the hooks aren't quite up to standard. ALT0 is not terribly interesting to a general audience, even if they know what The Allegory of Good and Bad Government is. It's an unsurprising statement of fact. ALT1 is far better but still has some problems. Firstly, the documentary features a barber (singular), not many. Secondly, it's not surprising a documentary on the definition of democracy would feature interviews with philosophers (experts, after all, at defining these broad terms), but The New Yorker mentions trauma surgeons, a poet, and refugees as subjects, all of which would be much more interesting to include in the hook. Secondly, a documentary cannot interview a person; it should read something like "In documentary X, John Doe interviews ..."
  • This isn't strictly in the DYK criteria, but the article should have a reception section; it's a basic component of film articles. Also, there's no need to provide inline citations for the summary, as the work itself is implied to be cited. – Teratix 13:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Teratix, Thanks for the feedback. The reason that I included inline citations for the summary is that I saw the film at a screening and therefore couldn't refer to it while writing the summary, so I primarily relied on sources. Should I remove the inline citations? Looking at other Reception sections, they seem to focus on box office statistics. However, I can't find those for this film. Would it be acceptable to only discuss its award nominations and media reviews? Here's a rephrasing:
Although I will note, that I like the barber's inclusion. StudiesWorld (talk) 14:12, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
I realized that I didn't address your other concern:
  • It is fine to include a reception section discussing reviews and awards even if you can't find box office statistics. The hook still reads slightly awkwardly because "democracy" appears twice. Maybe rephrase or replace the title with "a 2019 documentary" or similar? – Teratix 12:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
 Teratix, I apologize for the delay. I have added a critical reception section, but I'm not really sure how it is best done, so it may need cleaning up. StudiesWorld (talk) 15:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Excellent! I think the article is fine now, but the hook just needs some slight tweaks to reach its full potential. I agree with you that the barber's inclusion was very interesting, so add them to the front or back of the list of interview subjects in the hook. See also my previous advice for replacing the title to make the hook read smoothly. – Teratix 13:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
 Teratix, how about:
  •   ALT4 is good to go. – Teratix 11:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Pamela Nadell

Created by Cawhee (talk). Self-nominated at 15:22, 9 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and mostly referenced. Hooks are interesting and supported by supplied sources. QPQ not required for new nominator, no copyvio detected. However, the article needs more references. Multiple paragraphs in "Life and education" and "Role in public life" sections lack sources. -Zanhe (talk) 00:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Nominator has been inactive since last month and never responded to Zanhe's review. RebeccaGreen has made some edits to the article, but unless she or another adopts this, or unless Cawhee returns, this nomination is marked for closure as stale. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi, Narutolovehinata5, thanks for your message. I have searched for and added some more sources (and some more information!). I have not been able to find more sources for (what are now) the 2nd and 3rd paras of the "Role in public life" section. I have added some to the final para, about Nadell's testimony to the House Judiciary Committee. The only sources I can find for the quote (that Jewish students "feel safe on campus" ) are primary - video of her testimony (which I've added), and the official report of the hearing (which I haven't added, but could). I may be able to find more sources if needed, though I'm doubtful about finding more about the letters she wrote - please let me know what you think. RebeccaGreen (talk) 16:35, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the help RebeccaGreen. Hopefully you can still help out in sourcing the parts that still need sourcing. Unfortunately, with Cawhee not being active in over a month and being unable to return to this nomination, this may have to be closed if they do not return in a week or so. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:08, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Narutolovehinata5, I'm happy to help if I can. Are you able to point to sentences or statements that particularly need citations? There are no paras now completely lacking in sources - there were two that lacked any at the time of Zanhe's review. As I said, finding more for the two letters she wrote as president of the Association of Jewish Studies has not been easy - there seem only to be primary sources, from the Association of Jewish Studies and by Nadell herself, which is not really surprising, as associations sending letters isn't very newsworthy. I thought about shortening the section about her role in public life, but that would probably have the effect of making the article too short for DYK ..... I'll help more if I can, but I'm not sure it's going to be possible if the current sourcing is inadequate. RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@RebeccaGreen: The DYK rules technically only require at least one reference per paragraph, so theoretically the article could already be good to go. Though considering this is a BLP, it might still be a good idea to add sources for the letters, even if they're primary. If it's okay with you, I will add you as a co-nom for the work you've done in improving the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:42, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:, thanks for your reply. The primary sources are there, in the middle of the paras - I'll add them at the end, too. It's fine by me if you want to add me as a co-nom - though I guess that will contribute to the number of DYKs I've nominated, which so far is only one, so several more to go before I need to take myself through the review process! BTW, as far as the hooks go, I prefer ALT1, as it includes a direct reference to Nadell's work in Jewish women's history, which is not apparent in the first hook, as it stands at present. Cheers, RebeccaGreen (talk) 12:54, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  Thanks, but I don't think it will fully contribute to the total needed before you will be required to do a QPQ, since you aren't the original nominator. Pinging the original reviewer Zanhe to give this another look. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 5Edit

Saadat Ali Khan I

 
Saadat Ali Khan I
  • ... that Saadat Ali Khan I (pictured) ended the administrative authority of the landlords over their lands in Awadh, India?

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   The hook sounds rather vague and doesn't say much. It doesn't catch attention, and I don't think it appeals to anyone but history buffs. Can something more exciting be proposed? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:14, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5:. RRD (talk) 05:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I personally think that hook is even more niche. Probably a new direction is needed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:43, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:,

Fatwa

  • ... that several sultans in Morocco and the Ottoman Empire were deposed by a fatwa? Source: "...several Ottoman and Moroccan sultans were deposed by fatwas" ("Fatwa", in The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought, 2013, p. 174)
    • ALT1:... that according to some scholars Ayatollah Khomeini's proclamation condemning Salman Rushdie to death was not a fatwa? Source: "...Ayatollah Khomeini (1902–89) issued a statement calling for the execution of author Salman Rushdie for insulting Islam in his novel The Satanic Verses. Although not strictly a fatwa, this death sentence was quickly treated as such" ("Fatwa", in The Princeton Encyclopedia of Islamic Political Thought, 2013, p. 174); "There are some views that deny that this actually was a fatwa, as it did not follow the classical criteria of form or function for a fatwa." (Vikør, Knut S. (2005). Between God and the Sultan: A History of Islamic Law. Oxford University Press, p. 142)
  • Reviewed: Exempt from QPQ - 1 DYK credit so far.

Improved to Good Article status by Eperoton (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 6 May 2019 (UTC).

Article is well sourced, and hooks are reasonably interesting. They do suggest that the reader knows what a fatwa is, before reading the article, however. QPQ not required. Hooks are cited. No copyvio. See below for more comments. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:48, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Definitely newly promoted enough and long enough. An Earwig check is a liiiiitle iffy. Specifically, "allowed a female convert to Islam to remain married to her non-Muslim husband, based in part on the existence of European laws and customs which guarantee women the freedom of religion" If the source is somehow freely licensed or public domain, then fine enough. Otherwise that's stretching the limits of fair use a bit too far. Similarly, (though Earwig doesn't pick this bit up) the opening sentence is nearly verbatim from the Princeton Encyclopedia source. The hook, is exactly verbatim from the Princeton Encyclopedia source. So these really need to be quoted or they need to be reworded. Fair use gives us leeway with attributed quotes, but not with unatributed ones. Additional manual spot checks only picked up one additional issue. A large portion of this was either copied to Fatwa from Mufti or visa versa. But I don't see on either article, either in edit summaries or on the talk page where the original is attributed. This is required by the CCBYSA license, and so it needs to be sorted out which is the original and which is the copy, so we can make sure we're in compliance with WP:COPYWITHIN.
User:Lee Vilenski it looks like we had an edit conflict, but you probably want to revisit your approval given the above. GMGtalk 14:46, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── @GreenMeansGo: thanks for the closer review.

  • I have rephrased the passages underlined above.
  • For the definition, it's important to reflect the definitions found in the sources, which are themselves similar to each other. I think this one falls under: "Limited close paraphrasing is also appropriate if there are only a limited number of ways to say the same thing."
  • I was reluctant to paraphrase those few words in the hook because I feared introducing OR. For example, one could replace "deposed" by "forced to abdicate", but it doesn't quite mean the same thing. I feel this is also in the area of "limited number of ways to say the same thing". P.S. On closer inspection, how about this paraphrase of the hook?
  • I contributed all the text in both Fatwa and Mufti, so my edits are the appropriate attribution.

Let me know if you still have concerns. Eperoton (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Do you think we should gloss fatwa as "(nonbinding legal opinion)" or "(nonbinding legal opinion on a point of Islamic law)" in the hooks? Eperoton (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Wouldn't an opinion by definition not be legally binding? I think fatwa (legal opinion) makes sense, but It's not really something I understand entirely. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 08:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@Lee Vilenski: Binding legal opinions do exist in some legal systems, but we can use the shorter gloss in the hook for brevity. Eperoton (talk) 22:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
  • As far as COPYWITHIN, unless you are positive that there were no other contributors to the duplicated content, i.e., if they were both added at the same time, then we would still need attribution. But that's really too easy, just use a WP:DUMMYEDIT on whatever article was last and say "text from this article copied from that article".
Just to be safe, I'll see if we can't get a second opinion on whether the hook runs into close paraphrasing issues. Maybe I'm over thinking it. Never hurts to ask. GMGtalk 12:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
@GreenMeansGo: Thanks, second opinion on the hook would be good. Regarding attribution, the text of both articles either came out of my sandbox or was added by me to both articles at about the same time. I do include attributions in edit summaries when I copy text with other contributors. Eperoton (talk) 22:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

No comment on the close paraphrasing issue, but terms like "fatwa" do not need to be defined in hooks, the hook is only there to tweak interest in a topic not to define terms, if we did the latter DYK would end up looking like a dictionary extract. People who don't know what a "fatwa" is and would like to know more get to click on the link, that's the whole point. Gatoclass (talk) 03:29, 15 May 2019 (UTC).

  • I agree that there is some paraphrasing that is too close to the sources. Compare for example "A mufti's understanding of the query commonly depended on their grasp of local customs and colloquial expressions" with "Such comprehension frequently depended on the muftī  's grasp of both local custom and colloquial expression". Nikkimaria (talk) 22:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Can you elaborate your concern, Nikkimaria? I can't quite connect it to WP:CLOP. Nothing in this sentence strikes me as a "creative expression", and as I far as I can tell, there's a limited number of ways of expressing this particular assertion without changing the meaning or using unnatural language. This is a general issue that's important for articles on contentious topics, where I tend to edit, so I want to clarify for the future. I normally try to rephrase and rearrange content as much as the subject permits, and alternate statements drawing on different sources, but no so much as to introduce OR. CLOP, and particularly WP:LIMITED, seems to be formulated in a reasonably flexible way that permits this approach. Eperoton (talk) 22:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
P.S. So, for example, I now rewrote this as "A mufti's understanding of the query commonly depended on their familiarity with local customs and colloquialisms", which would minimize Earwig-style issues. Does that address your concern, or do you consider any statement that conveys the meaning of a statement from the source with a similar syntactic structure to be a CLOP violation, regardless of whether it can be naturally expressed otherwise? Eperoton (talk) 00:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
NOCREATIVE applies to things like "X was born on 1 January 1900", when there truly is no originality in the phrasing; that's not the case with the example I've cited. If you truly cannot find an adequate way to represent such a phrase, you can always quote it. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Ok, so did the rephrased version address this particular concern? Eperoton (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks Nikkimaria and Gatoclass for taking a look. I'll be out of town for the next several weeks, so I'll defer to your judgement. GMGtalk 23:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 8Edit

Ocean One

 
Ocean One apartment building

Created by Feminist (talk). Self-nominated at 16:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   This article is new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Hold it. I don't think the article's neutral. Inclusion of the secret photography bit is UNDUE. I'm all for fun hooks but this isn't fun. It's just some pervert. EEng 20:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   In addition to EEng's concerns regarding the matter, there's something basic that I don't think that article is conveying, which I only discovered during my copyedit just now while checking sources. While amounts such as "HK$10,326" are given as the price of an apartment (which is the unlikely amount of about US$1333), the sources (https://hk.finance.appledaily.com/finance/daily/article/20121014/18039816, for example) give two numbers for pricing of apartments: an apartment in another building was sold for 4.68 million yuan last month, with a price of 7536 yuan. It seems to me that the relevant number is 4.68 million yuan (aka Hong Kong dollars); assuming an exchange rate of 7.75 yuan to the US dollar (current range is 7.75–7.85), that's an apartment costing US$603,871. I'm not sure what "price" means in this context, but it doesn't seem to be sales price. I'm hoping Feminist can clarify matters here, and an alternate hook is probably in order. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:23, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
If the bathroom camera is out what about ALT1? -- Thats Just Great (talk) 17:34, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that residential building Ocean One (pictured) has a concert hall on its first floor? Source:"TTN, short for This Town Needs, co-founded by Hui with event promoters Joshua Chan and K.K. Wong in Yau Tong, is now fully licensed. ... A huge, high-ceilinged cavern of 18,000 square feet (1,670 square metres) ... TTN occupies a commercial space on the first floor of Ocean One"[5]

Articles created/expanded on May 9Edit

Antigone oder die Stadt

 
Georg Katzer
  • Reviewed: to come Willem Botha
  • Comment: ... so it came too late to enlighten, - other hooks welcome

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 17:36, 10 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   New enough. Long enough. QPQ awaited. As the hook is too long, have suggested a shorter (still 199 characters) and slightly tweaked ALT1 (in the UK at least I think that we tend to use DDR rather than GDR, but I may be out of date/touch). The hook is decent, and AGF on the offline source, but it stacks up with well-known historical events. Not certain if the image licensing is suitable for the front page - "No machine-readable source provided. Own work assumed (based on copyright claims)." Neutral. Every paragraph is well-cited. Earwig and spot-checking found no close paraphrasing, copyright violation or plagiarism.
  • Thank you for the review and proposal. I am not sure about DDR - certainly we in Germany say so but would it be understood in Japan? Also "final days" is a bit like a phrase, - actually it was more than a year. I am busy in real life, so you will have to wait for the review. I did one, but have a more urgent nomination on my mind. No rush for this one, with the composer still on the Main page. The image seems to have been "donated" by a family member. - Thank for helping a foreigner! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:54, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Gerda Arendt, I have changed "days" to "stage" in ALT1 - we did have a spare character to play with. As for GDR or DDR, perhaps we should leave that for prep builders to decide - I really don't have a firm view on it. No rush for the QPQ - I can be very slow with doing them myself. Edwardx (talk) 09:23, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
  • I managed a review now, listed above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Thank you. Good to go - prep builder needs to check the image licensing, if the image is used. Edwardx (talk) 17:34, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Hi, I came by to promote this, but the grammar in ALT1 is awkward. The clause but the system collapsed before it was premiered at the Komische Oper Berlin actually implies that the opera was the "system". I wouldn't call the GDR a system. Maybe a "republic". There's no cite in the article for the republic collapsing before the opera premiered. Yoninah (talk) 19:47, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
  • It wasn't a republic. Regime? We certainly said "System" in German. How about "it". I know many who would insist on saying "sogenannte DDR", so-called GDR. Easiest: use the original. Or use only the first half of ALT1 and let readers figure the rest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:30, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
  • That's a good idea to cut the hook in half. But we're left with "Did you know that a composer and a librettist wrote an opera based on Sophocles?" Do you have something more hook-worthy? Yoninah (talk) 20:37, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
ALT2: ... that librettist Gerhard Müller and composer Georg Katzer (pictured) conceived the opera Antigone oder die Stadt based on Sophocles in the final stage of the GDR?
ALT3: ... that Gerhard Müller and Georg Katzer (pictured) conceived Antigone oder die Stadt, based on Sophocles, in the DDR's final stage, but the opera premiered at the Komische Oper Berlin after the Wende? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Firstly, people in the US refer to it as GDR, not DDR. Secondly, what is the Wende? This will not be understandable to an English-speaking audience, and if they have to go clicking on Wende, you've lost them. Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Wende is just so much shorter than "second German unification". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
It's still too niche of a term, and while there is a hyperlink, clicking on it might be too much effort for readers. With that said, I disagree that an opera being based on Sophocles is not interesting to a broad audience and I personally think that a fact like that actually pretty catchy. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:20, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

@Yoninah and Gerda Arendt: Would you be okay with something like this?

ALT4 ... that librettist Gerhard Müller and composer Georg Katzer (pictured) produced an opera based on the Ancient Greek play Antigone by Sophocles?
I'm not sure if mentioning Antigone or Sophocles by themselves would appeal though to those unfamiliar with Greek history, so my solution to include the words "Ancient Greek play", though I'm open to those words being removed if deemed unnecessary. In this proposal, I don't think a mention of East Germany is necessary since that would be too much clutter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:20, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but it's actually very common that operas are based on Greek mythology, and a waste of words to "Ancient Greek" to names such as Orpheus, Oedipus, Odysseus, Elektra, Ariadne, to name just a few (and I could name more than one opera for each of them). The specific thing here is that the old plot was coined t relate to the actual misery, but failed because when it was ready to be performed that misery was gone. If you can put that in hook-size, you are my hero. (The hook should not focus on Greek mythology but on the authors' 20th-century work. ALT4 could be any time, Baroque, Romantic, ...) To play with:
ALT5: ... that Gerhard Müller and Georg Katzer (pictured) wrote the opera Antigone oder die Stadt together, based on Sophocles' ancient play but meaning their East Germany, which collapsed before the opera could be performed? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, but it's actually very common that operas are based on Greek mythology I very much doubt that this is common knowledge among the average reader. While to you it may be taken for granted, this may not necessary be the case for people who are unfamiliar with opera. If the goal is to educate readers about opera, it might be a better idea to somehow convey that information (that Greek themes is common in opera) as opposed to withholding it. Secondly, ALT5 is very awkwardly written and doesn't flow very well: what do you mean by "but meaning their East Germany, which collapsed..."? It's a bit hard to understand. Did you mean to say that it was conceived in East Germany? Would a wording like below be closer to your intended meaning?
ALT5a ... that while in East Germany, Gerhard Müller and Georg Katzer (pictured) conceived an opera based on Antigone by Sophocles, but it was not performed before German reunification?
I used "German reunification" instead of "collapse" because East Germany didn't exactly "collapse" (it unified with the West), and I used the more common English term "East Germany" instead of GDR for clarity purposes. I still feel that such a hook is cramming too much information, but hopefully it still shows the intended meaning in a clearer manner. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
We have a few more misunderstandings but I think get better overall. I used East Germany in ALT4, no? When I said above "To play with" I meant that ALT4 is far from perfect but has material for a better hook. I want to educate readers more about this opera than opera in general, and mentioned the Greek characters only to show how common it is for operas to be based on them. There are also many plays based on Greek mythology. I like your hook, only feel it's missing the parallel between the dictatorship in ancient Greece and the system in East Germany. Last line: "we pounded at the doors of the mighty ..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Ritchie told me that you can conceive only babies, so that would also need to change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:49, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
ps: in the sense of the hook, East Germany is a poliical system rather than a geographic feature, and yes, that collapsed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 11Edit

Peruna (patent medicine)

Created/expanded by Eddie891 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:10, 12 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article meets DYK requirements, hook facts are cited inline, QPQ done. I think the first hook probably appeals best to a general audience. However, ALT0's citation comes not in the sentence that discusses it, but the one after; DYK rules require the actual hook fact sentence to have the relevant inline citation. In addition, Earwigs detects a large overlap with this page, which in turn appears to be a copy of our article on Adams. Both issues need to be addressed before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:20, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia for details. In any case, it feels that the similarities are too close for comfort, especially since I don't think this article is a split from Adams's article; this would have been more acceptable if the latter was the case Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:23, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I attributed it in my edit summary which according to WP:Copying within Wikipedia is acceptable. "If material has been contributed by more than one author, providing a link in the edit summary is the simplest method of providing attribution. A statement in the edit summary such as copied content from page name; see that page's history for attribution will direct interested parties to the edit history of the source page, where they can trace exactly who added what content when." Additionally i have just used the template {{copied}} on the talk page. I will happily withdraw the dyk nomination however because the text isn't original. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 12Edit

Ravindra Dave

  • ... that Ravindra Dave directed Jesal Toral, one of the biggest hits of Gujarati cinema? Source: K. Moti Gokulsing; Wimal Dissanayake (17 April 2013). Routledge Handbook of Indian Cinemas. Routledge. p. 95. ISBN 978-1-136-77284-9

Created by Nizil Shah (talk) and Coderzombie (talk). Nominated by Nizil Shah (talk) at 06:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC).

  • Nice article. Will opt for Hook 2 but prior to that, the article needs a copy-edit. WBGconverse 09:23, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   I'm happy to see these under-represented topics on Wikipedia reach the Main Page! Nice job here. Article is long/new enough, neutral, sources are reliable, hooks are interesting/cited, and there are no obvious copyright violations. Copyedit has concluded and there are no standing tags. This article is good to go. I have one question, however. How does it work for the "Filmography" section? A lot of it is unsourced. MX () 20:52, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
@MX: From what I recall, filmographies require references (but are optional for bibliographies). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:30, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 13Edit

My Year of Rest and Relaxation

5x expanded by Innisfree987 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:35, 16 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   Working GMGtalk 13:16, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Copyvio check looks good. Long enough. A rough check of the expansion is pretty close, within about 200 characters of being 5x expanded, but still over the line. Everything seems well enough sourced. The hook isn't the most flashy thing I've ever seen, but it's not the worst hook either. Overall, I'm good with it.   GMGtalk 15:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
  • I came to promote, but I think this hook is likely to be challenged over C6: If the subject is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must involve the real world in some way at Wikipedia:Did you know/Supplementary guidelines. Can we find an alternate hook? --valereee (talk) 12:00, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
Ohh, thank you for flagging that, Valereee, I wasn't aware. Let me see if I can find anything to add to the entry about the novel's development that would make a good hook. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:34, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I think Valereee has misinterpreted the C6 rule; the hook makes it quite clear we are talking about a character in a book here. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:00, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  Due apologies Cwmhiraeth, but it does appear that the hook does not meet C6, as it's talking about a plot point and the hook fails to connect it to the real world in some manner. Velereee's interpretation is correct. Thus, I've struck the original hook, and a new one is required. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:46, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Innisfree987: Please propose a new hook, thanks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:00, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   The nominator replied to a message I left on their talk page, saying that they are no longer willing to continue the nomination due to a lack of time to expand the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, just to be clear I didn’t say I wasn’t willing. In fact I have been working on it but did not expect to finish by the deadline you set of...tomorrow. Not clear to me why that is the deadline. I just said that if it is, then I can’t meet it. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:12, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
The reason for that was because you had been pinged several times prior without a response. With that said, I did have a hook in mind based on the current content, so I'll post it here if it's okay with you:
ALT2 ... that Ottessa Moshfegh's second novel My Year of Rest and Relaxation was originally planned to focus on the September 11 attacks?
There could be modifications or additions to the wording (such as combining with the original hooks that mentioned the plot, or mentioning that she consulted a terrorism analysis for the novel), but that could be a start for a new direction. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, thanks for that hook suggestion. Sounds like this bit is not clear enough in the entry so I'll fix it, but as the book went a different way, she actually did not end up speaking to Bremer, and I was a bit stuck on, well, an interview she did not conduct is not a great hook. Hence looking for more research materials. But the original real-life basis planned for the book makes an interesting hook on its own, I think. Works for me if it works for you. Thanks again. Innisfree987 (talk) 03:45, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Dangit. Thanks valereee. That bit totally slipped my mind. The alt hook above is fine. I reread the article a few times and a few of the sources trying to find some better suggestion, but I haven't come up with one. GMGtalk 12:38, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 15Edit

Erik Werba

5x expanded by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:16, 19 May 2019 (UTC).

  Unfortunately, I don't think the hook appeals to a broad audience. It requires knowledge of names that are not well-known outside of opera circles, and there's nothing else in the hook that would catch the attention of those unfamiliar with the subject matter. Looking at the article, I regret to say that I have not been able to find anything that could interest a wide audience. If you can find some more information about his life or career that could raise interest, please do it so that a new, more appealing hook can be proposed. But right now, the article and hook are not looking like DYK material. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Sigh. We could end the hook at "singers". It's quite unusual that a pianist is not known for solo work but for accompaniment. All the rest is extra for those who want to know a little more, the singers have links (and should get known if they aren't already), and how teaching for more than 40 years - which means shaping the playing of more than a generation - isn't interesting, is beyond me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:42, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Unfortunately, as there appears to be nothing in the article that could be used as a DYK hook that could interest a broad audience, I sadly have to mark this nomination for closure. Not all articles are right for DYK and this appears to be such a case. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:58, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    So just because you don't know that these singers were about the greatest at their time, and you think shaping two generations of pianists is not something of interest to the general reader, you mark for closure? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    Repeating: the guidelines ask to be interesting (unusual, worth knowing), which is not the same as appealing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
It's not that, it's simply that the hook doesn't appeal to a general audience, only to those who are familiar with Seefried and Schreier (who are presumably not the majority of our readership), and the hook lacks context that would catch the attention of even someone uninterested in classical music. And yes, interesting is not the same as appealing, but there is significant overlap. Let's put it this way: let's say for example I was an average reader. I do not know who these Seefried or Schreier people are. I have no idea why they are important. I see that there is a hook where this person (Werba) was mentioned as performing with them. Unless I know who Seefried or Schreier are, I would have no idea why this is such a big deal. And that's the problem here: there's nothing in the hook that would allow those who are not "in the know" to appreciate the hook. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
I am sorry to have another language difficulty. I think you equation of "interesting" with "has to appeal" is your personal interpretation. I say that "interesting" only means "not trivia, not something that everybody knows already". I am tired of it. Do we really have to discuss at WP:DYK once more, or could you perhaps just leave the topic alone? - Today: Ernst Gutstein, just sad that we mention a minor role in a minor old opera, instead of a signature role in a well-known one at a major well-known house + a new role at a notable festival. Why? To insert "castrato" which appeals to those looking for sex-related things. I am ashamed. If Gutstein was still alive, I would have fought harder, but my time on Earth is limited, so I let t go, but still ashamed. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Vacating close per an appeal by the nominator at WT:DYK. A second reviewer probably needs to take a look at this, at the very least. Pinging Mandarax as they had replied at the discussion. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:35, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Gerda mentioned in the appeal that she believes that teaching at the Wiener Musikakademie is considered a big deal in the classical music world. If this is the fact that she wants to emphasize, then it might be a good idea to simply focus on this fact. So a new hook would go something like:
The thing is, non-classical music fans are unlikely to be familiar with the Wiener Musikakademie, so additional context needs to be added in the hook explaining its significance. Gerda, if you can find some additional information about Werba's tenure in the university and add it to the article, that would be quite helpful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 08:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for reopening. I said "for decades", meaning that he influenced generations of pianists. The word "piano" is missing in your ALT, so striking. He was known as an accompanist - vs. soloist - and that made him special, and should be mentioned. I'd think specific name would add colour, but want to please. We could mention DFD, the most famous at the time and still, but he gets mentioned often, - I'd pefer some others, as in the original hook.
ALT2: ... that the pianist Erik Werba, known as accompanist of lieder singers, was professor at the Wiener Musikakademie for four decades?
Sorry, we are not going to establish the importance of the leading academy in the city where Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven worked for every person teaching there, - we do have a link. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: How bout your alt 2, but inverted? You know, people think of a professor as being "just" a dull academic (the plain old ignorant reader!), but that he laos performed as well makes him quirky(er)? (For an academic, anyway)...like
:: ALT2.1: ... that the pianist Erik Werba, professor at the Wiener Musikakademie for four decades, was also an accompanist of lieder singers?
——SerialNumber54129 11:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't care about the order, wanted the most important thing first but understand last also. Only, why "also"? - Btw, two days ago, I accidentally heard "him" on radio, acompanying Ernst Haefliger in Schwanengesang. He's still a presence! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:56, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, "also" is really saying that he walked the walk as well as talked the talk :) but it's not that important. Remove the also. ——SerialNumber54129 12:01, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 16Edit

Wächter (Anatol)

 
Wächter der Goitzsche
  • ... that policeman and artist Anatol created outdoor iron Wächter, a group of figures watching over the environment (pictured), and one as a memorial to police officers killed in the line of duty? Source: several
  • Reviewed: New York City Board of Aldermen
  • Comment: I wrote this article in defiance. The artist recently died, but proceedings to get the article ready for Recent deaths ITN took too long. This is in memory of a great person who deserves more attention. I wish I had an image of the latter sculpture, then I'd happily focus on that one. - I don't know how to handle that in German, Wächter is the same singular and plural, while in English it's Guard(s), plural for the first, singular for the second. - David, I think the image would be better cropped in this size, do you agree? - asap please
  • Gerda:Yes, I agree. I've cropped the image. —David Levy 00:46, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 15:51, 17 May 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall:   An interesting article that is new enough, long enough and fully cited. My only minor comment is that the word Landschaft has been translated in the hook as "environment" which these days tends to refer to the abstract notion of the wider world we live in viewed from a 'green' perspective (Umwelt), whereas I think in the article cited it just means the statues are watching over the local countryside. So I'd use "countryside" rather than "environment". That said, I realise the terrain is a former open cast, brown coal mine, so you may tell me there is a green angle. In which case, maybe "local environment" may be clearer to avoid thinking they're watching over environmental concerns in general. HTH. Bermicourt (talk) 14:09, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for looking. I think there's a "green" angle to the statues, at a site which was industrial before and returned to nature. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
In which case, could we add "local" before environment to make it clear. Bermicourt (talk) 18:38, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that policeman and artist Anatol created outdoor iron Wächter, a group of figures watching over the local environment (pictured), and one as a memorial to police officers killed in the line of duty?
  • ALT1 seems off: "created outdoor iron"? I actually prefer the original hook's wording, but if the word "environment" is too vague then perhaps going with "countryside" may be better than "local environment". Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:13, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
    The idea is guarding against negative environmental change:
    ALT2: ... that policeman and artist Anatol created outdoor iron Wächter, a group of figures guarding the local environment (pictured) and one as a memorial to police officers killed in the line of duty?
    Jmar67 (talk) 02:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The "outdoor iron" wording still feels strange to me. Why not "an outdoor group of iron figures"? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The Wächter link needs to be preserved as a DYK requirement, does it not? We are talking about two separate outdoor installations, the group pictured here and a single figure elsewhere as a police memorial. See also the article lead, which uses "outdoor iron sculptures". I think the current wording is clear. What would be your full suggestion? Jmar67 (talk) 04:43, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
The wording I had in mind was over 200 characters so it might not have worked out. I don't have much problems with the hook itself or the groupings, it's really the "created outdoor iron" that sounds weird to me. Would "the outdoor iron sculpture series" work instead? It would reflect the wording used in the article. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:47, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
ALT3: ... that policeman and artist Anatol created the outdoor iron sculpture series Wächter, including a group guarding the environment (pictured) and a memorial to fallen police officers? Jmar67 (talk) 05:26, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
That sounds much better. Letting Gerda decide if she likes it or not. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:46, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the offers. Always learning: can you say "fallen officers"? (Because in German, you could the equivalent of fallen soldiers, but no other "professions".) If yes, then fine. Someone requested "local" before environment. I'm travelling, and have no time to check it all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
"Fallen police officers" seems to be a fairly common expression in English, so that's fine. I'd put a comma after series as, grammatically, that seems right. But it's not a 'biggie'. Bermicourt (talk) 12:21, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

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No comma (Wächter defines series). Would be different with "an outdoor". Also, removed "local" because I view "environment" as general ("Umwelt") in this case. Jmar67 (talk) 16:49, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 17Edit

Nanhaipotamon

 
Nanhaipotamon guangdongense from Zhuhai, Guangdong

Created by Bubbleleg96 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:08, 19 May 2019 (UTC).

QPQ: None required.

Overall:   The hooks aren't interesting, and the article is too short. QPQ still pending. Approved DannyS712 (talk) 20:34, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

@Bubbleleg96: see review above --DannyS712 (talk) 20:39, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
This is the nominator's first DYK nomination; as they have less than five noms, they are not yet required to do a QPQ. I agree though that the hooks are bland and should not run. I would have suggested a hook here, but at the moment the article is too short. If this can't be expanded in a reasonable amount of time, the nomination will probably have to be marked as failed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:31, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to contradict, but I think the first hook is very interesting. Who would have expected a new species of crab to be detected in such a tourist hotspot? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:44, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: I agree that they are now, but I reviewed Special:Permalink/897861222 --DannyS712 (talk) 05:47, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
OK. The original hooks should have been struck rather than replaced. They are better now. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:06, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
@DannyS712: The article now has over 1500 characters of readable prose and I changed the content of the hooks. Bubbleleg96 (talk) 11:45, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
@Bubbleleg96: approved --DannyS712 (talk) 04:17, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Bubbleleg96 how would you feel about this? It gets at the surprise of still making new discoveries of species, plus Macau?
  • ALT2 ... that nearly a third of the known species of this crab (pictured) were discovered in the past ten years, the most recent in 2018 in Macau?
Both points are already sourced within the article. --valereee (talk) 10:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm also wondering if we can crop that image a little closer:
 
Nanhaipotamon guangdongense

--valereee (talk) 10:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Valereee: Yeah, I am ok with that. Maybe rephrase it a little so that
  • ALT2b ... that a third of the known species of the genus Nanhaipotamon (pictured) were discovered in the past ten years, the most recent in 2018 in Macau
The reason why I wrote the article and nominated it to DYK was mostly to raise awareness about this group of animals, and I thought the recent discovery in Macau was a interesting hook. People seem to disagree, so it doesn't have to mention Macau for my sake.
Bubbleleg96 (talk) 12:49, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
  • If ALT2b is used, the image doesn't apply, because it's not a picture of the genus per the hook. Yoninah (talk) 13:42, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm repeating here my thoughts that I don't think the hook works well without the mention of Macau. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:32, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: Alt1 also mentions Macau, as do both Alt2 and Alt2b. @Yoninah: As for the image, it shows another species of the genus, but since the article is not only about the new species only, but about the genus in general, I think that should be ok. Furthermore, I don´t have an image of N. macau, and to my knowledge, the only published one is in the article.
Bubbleleg96 (talk) 3:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 19Edit

Heb Ik Ooit Gezegd

  • ... that an X Factor winner recorded a cover version of the song "Have I Ever Said", which was itself a Dutch-language cover based on the song "Have I Told You Lately"? Udo Mechels X-Factor winner: AllMusic; Udo's cover of Dutch band Clouseau's song "Have I Ever Said"/"Heb Ik Ooit Gezegd": Hung Medien; Clouseau's song is a cover of "Have I Told You Lately" by Van Morrison: Alllmusic; specific statement (in Dutch) that "Heb Ik Ooit Gezegd" is a cover of the Van Morrison song: Radio2
    • ALT1:... that the song " Have I Ever Said "—a Dutch-language cover version based on the song "Have I Told You Lately"—was itself made into a cover version by an X Factor winner?
  • Comment: There is a request to merge the article, but I wanted to place this request in case the merge request fails.

Created by Big universe (talk). Self-nominated at 04:50, 26 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   Nomination on hold until merge discussion finishes. Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 20Edit

Jew with a coin, Joanna Tokarska-Bakir, "Never Again" Association, Rafał Pankowski

 
Jew with a coin figurines on sale in Polańczyk
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2019–20 RFU Championship
  • Comment: I have a bunch of articles here, but the really-really hooky and cool one is Jew with a coin. Reviewer - you have an important job - I've listed many possible hooks - please convey your opinions on which hook (or hooks) are the hookiest (or in this case, convey a WTF moment). If we have an additional article in the hook (other than Jew with a coin) that's a bonus - but the main-main thing I want here is hookiness.

Created by Icewhiz (talk), Piotrus (talk), 92.3.3.67 (talk), Drmies (talk), E.M.Gregory (talk), MyMoloboaccount (talk), Kayteigh (talk), Xx236 (talk), Jpbowen (talk), and Slatersteven (talk). Nominated by Icewhiz (talk) at 08:59, 24 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   Date, size, copyvio spotcheck, QCQ ok. Concern #1: the article is not stable yet, a few days may be needed for some tug of wars/reverts/etc. do die down; there's also a NPOV template at the top of the article, this needs to be removed and not challenged for the DYK to be stable for main page. (Ping me if you think this has happened and I'll rereview this). Concern #2. Hooks are interesting, but 1) first one - I don't think qualifier "many" is correct, per my comment on nom's talk page. 2) ok, but I'd add 'some', I don't think it's a custom for majority of them 3) ok but just one minor event, a bit boring 4) I like it, through perhaps a bit too technical for a casual reader 4) my favorite 5) interesting, but I'd rather go with 4 that attribute a single scholar opinion that may not be universally shared. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Note you are co-named as an author - you should not be reviewing. These are in 18% of around 10 million homes = many. If you have a better word - go ahead and suggest. There is a NPOV tag only on Pankowski, which is only relevant for one hook (ALT2) - the others should be good.Icewhiz (talk) 12:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Fair enough. I'll just note that neither Pankowski nor the Association seem to be linked in the hook, they probably should have stand-alone and separate DYK nominations and hooks. For what's it worth, I think the 'jew with the coin' article is neutral right now, but whether it is stable, I am unsure. The next reviewer will check on that anyway. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:35, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 Object-Joannas Tokarska-Bakirs claims have been widely rejected by others up to the point of her being openly ridiculed by other scholars in this field[7]. Right now her claims are shown as valid and serious.Just one of the issues the article has.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 11:03, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
It is attributed analysis - and I don't quite see where the Polish language journal states that. Please note that BLPTALK applies vs. the chair of the ethnic and national relations study at the Polish Academy of Sciences's Institute of Slavic Studies who is a well respected and widely cited authority in the field.Icewhiz (talk) 11:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Actually Tokarska herself mentions this and calls Sorbona professor Ludwik Stomma who ridiculed her "ancient lizard"(best translation to her insult "praszczur" I could think of)and mastodont[8]</ref>
All the source you have brought shows is that Stomma, who per plwiki is also a columnist in Hustler magazine, disagreed with Tokarska-Bakir - a chair ethnic and national relations study. Unsurprisingly, Tokarska-Bakir's analysis continues to be quoted and cited - usually without Stomma.Icewhiz (talk) 12:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
Stomma is reliable,and actually seems to have both longer and higher scholar status that Tokarska.Worked at University of Warsaw,Krakow Jagiellonian University, Institute of Arts PAN, University of Torun, published over 14 books on ethnology and worked at Sorbonna University.Has dozens of dozens of scholarly articles.MyMoloboaccount (talk) 12:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Tread carefully, my friends. EEng 07:27, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Nomination has been stuck for weeks due to possible fringe topics concerns. Due to this, unless the editors and reviewers can come into an agreement, this nomination is now marked for closure as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:41, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

  I have reopened this nomination for a new reviewer. Probably do it myself soon. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Thanks. The main hook, ALT1, and ALT4 should be good to go. Icewhiz (talk) 06:44, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
    Icewhiz, I am going to read the article carefully over the next few days. I am sure you are pretty familiar with how DYK works. So, if the other articles are also technically qualifying of a DYK per the usual rules (GA or 5X expansion and more than 1500 char, etc.), I will invite you to nominate them on separate template pages. I will review them all separately and consider 24 May as their inherited nomination date.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
    All the others technically meet DYK rules, however I do not intend to nom them (unless they fit into one of the hooks here - which is not a goal - I want the most hooky hook). Jew with a coin is cool and really hooky - real DYK material. The others are OK+ articles but a "meh" for DYK (they were all written as part of the same editing arc, and might get views off of Jew with a coin).Icewhiz (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 -- they "blame the Jew" -- blame the Jew? Huh? What does that even mean? ALT4 -- "good use charm" -- what's a good use charm? And the article is a jumble of confusing and conflicting statements about these grotesques' history and symbolism. I again urge caution. EEng 23:25, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
    The article is not a jumble - it could be slightly better organized and/or split into more subsections ("Ethnographic analysis" - sourced to multiple journal articles, at present - attributing each one (as we do when sources provide different interpretations - as they often do in anthropology and cultural studies) - could be) - It is 13Kb of prose, well under WP:SIZERULE. It is well sourced - mainly to academic sources, with some NEWSORG coverage. As for the hooks:
    ALT1 - source1, quoting Dr Shimon Samuels: "They are sold in huge numbers outside football matches and people buy them to bring luck to their side," he said. "But if their team loses, then the Jews are blamed.", source2: "Some take them along to football games for luck. If your team doesn't win it's the Jew's fault.". "Blame the Jew" here means either blaming the figurine and/or Jews generally - who failed to provide the "good luck" they were supposed to. I think the hook properly reflects the sources and that "blame the Jew" is obvious in context - it could be reworded if needed.
A football fan from Wrocław (population 650 000) has never seen such figurines. Where do they sell them?Xx236 (talk) 10:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Source? One football fan? Small sample. I could point you to several brick and mortar stores (but not in Wrocław, off hand), but my simplest pointer would be allegro.pl (the Polish eBay/Amazon) where there are numerous items for sale of this type - allegro.pl search - and they do deliver.Icewhiz (talk) 11:20, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
And your academic result is ? "Some Poles buy poor quality pictures of Jews." We still don't know geographical distribution. You article describes Warsaw fans, one city. I have watched pictures in a souvenir shop in Wrocław, no such picture. I have asked if they hav eone to not influence the market.Xx236 (talk) 11:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

TAI Aksungur

  • ... that the unmanned aerial vehicle TAI Aksungur is able to carry up to 750 kg (1,650 lb) payload, and can be operated beyond-visual-range by SATCOM? Source: "... the air vehicle with a maximum take-off weight (MTOW) "in excess" of 3,000 kg and a payload capacity of 750 kg." [9], "SATCOM ile Görüş Hattı Ötesi Operasyon esnekliği (opsiyonel" ‹See Tfd›(in Turkish) [10]

Created by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 10:21, 22 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   Not sure if I'll be able to give this a full review, but for now I'll leave a comment about the hook. I don't think it right now appeals to a broad audience since it seems to rely too much on technical words such as SATCOM. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Thanks. The reason why I used the term "SATCOM" was to draw reader's attention. Anyway, does your mind change if I replace "SATCOM" with "communications satellite" in the hook? CeeGee 05:00, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
I'm afraid not. To a reader who is not interested in aviation or military stuff, the hook has a big "so what?" factor. The typical reader probably won't appreciate how or why a UAV can carry that amount of load, it requires knowledge about UAVs and their context as a whole. A new direction is probably needed here. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:54, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
  • Hmm! You must have known what the broad reader is thinking. Maybe someone can suggest a hook in the direction of your thinking. Besides, must I call you repearedly to get an answer from you? CeeGee 03:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I read the DYK discussions I've participated in on an almost hourly basis, so I generally don't need to be pinged unless it's important. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 05:02, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
  • You may not categorize DYK noms into important or not important. If you start a review you better progress in due time please. The noninator, in this case me, cannot know that you have alread read the response to your input. CeeGee 18:43, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
In any case, a new hook is still probably needed here. The original hook remains too technical. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:31, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
Did a little work on the article and tried to come up with some ALTs. – Reidgreg (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that an Aksungur (English: gyrfalcon) male can carry aloft 750 kilograms? Source: TAI showcased its “Aksungur” drone (“gyrfalcon” in English) [...] The Aksungur has a maximum payload of 750 kilograms. Defense News Aksungur medium-altitude long-endurance unmanned aerial vehicle (MALE UAV) Jane's
  • ALT2 ... that Turkish Aerospace Industries expects to weaponize its newest and largest aerial drone for international sale in 2020? Sources: Weapons will also be integrated onto Aksungur in the last quarter of 2019. Aviation International News The twin-engined Aksungur [...] is significantly larger than the company's existing Anka offering. Flight Global
  • ALT3 ... that the TAI Aksungur unmanned aerial vehicle nearly quadruples the payload capacity of its design predecessor? Source: Not in article but if it's interesting enough this states the ANKA had a payload of 200 kg, a little over 1/4 of Aksungur's 750 kg.
    • Pinging @Narutolovehinata5: Will you be able to make a full review? – Reidgreg (talk) 02:23, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
      • Due to being busy in real life, I'm not sure if I'll have enough time to give this another check. All I can say right now is that ALTs 1 to 3 aren't really great either, they seem too niche to be interesting to a broad audience. Still, a second set of eyes here might be of help. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:26, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
        • It seems very difficult at theis stage to meet your expactations. Maybe you can formulate your own hook. Besides, I think busy people should stay away from reviewing DYK noms. CeeGee 12:40, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
        • No problem, people get busy. That's the reality of a sprawling volunteer organization. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

  Requesting new reviewer. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:10, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 21Edit

Asplenium fontanum

  • ... that fountain spleenwort does not grow in Amersham churchyard, near a waterfall in northern England or on the castle walls at Alnwick? Source: "Supposed to be now extinct in England; it was once found on Amersham Church ... at a waterfall in either Northumberland or Westmoreland ... once grew on Alnwick Castle; but if so, it is no longer found there."

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:21, 27 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article is new enough and long enough, a QPQ has been completed, and I didn't need Earwig to be satisfied there were no copyright concerns. The article is well-sourced, but some statements are not supported: there is no reference for 2n = 72 or that the 1830s reports of the plant in Britain are dubious. The description section uses a lot of technical terminology which I recommend explaining or linking. As for the hook, it's odd to single out these specific areas which don't seem significant. I suggest reworking it to explain how it was reportedly found in Britain in the late 1830s but is now extinct there. – Teratix 10:29, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
@Teratix: What a dreadful description! I have rewritten it. How about ALT1, although I must admit to rather liking ALT0. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:28, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that in the nineteenth century, fountain spleenwort was reported as growing in Britain but is now only found in continental Europe, mainly in mountainous areas?
I prefer this, although I would just cut the bit about its mountainous habitat to be concise, and replace 'continental' with 'Western' to be consistent with the article. Also, could you clarify how the nineteenth-century reports are dubious? – Teratix 09:51, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Karen Saywitz

Moved to mainspace by QuakerQuaker765 (talk). Nominated by QuakerSquirrel (talk) at 14:02, 21 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   @QuakerSquirrel: This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and a QPQ has been done. However, it is a copyright violation of this site and this site as you can see from this printout. The article needs to be substantially rewritten using your own words. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:15, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I’m busy with some other projects for a bit, but I will get back to this in a bit and fix these issues. QuakerSquirrel (talk) 20:15, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 22Edit

Articles created/expanded on May 24Edit

Hermin Esser

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 08:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   This article is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. The "almost all" in the hook is the only problem. If you can find a source that states that, or lists every Wagner tenor role, it would be fine, but if you are relying on your own knowledge of tenor roles in Wagner's operas, then its original research, and won't do. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't know where to find such a source, Wagner wasn't Rossini, the number of his stage works is small, and all have articles. We could go and count the roles and say how many he sang in Bayreuth (14)? Or say that he performed both David and Stolzing in Meistersinger? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Have you tried searching for articles that discuss Esser's career? I just checked the source you provided for ALT0 and the machine translation I used didn't say that he "performed almost all Wagner tenor roles", only that he was known for playing such roles. If you can find another source that verifies that hook fact, then this should be good to go. If not, I'd suggest, if possible, trying to expand the article with more information about reviews and personal life (if they exist) since nothing else in the article seems hook worthy at this point. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
He performed at a time when newspaper didn't get online, and he didn't record much, so what you ask would be tough, and I'm behind with many other topics. (Want to write a GA, desperately.) How is this:
ALT1: ... that Hermin Esser performed 14 tenor roles at the Bayreuth Festival dedicated exclusively to stageworks by Richard Wagner, beginning in 1966 as Froh and ending in 1981 as Tristan? -- please check my counting. Feel free to compare to any other singer's list at the festival, - I don't know anything parallel. The festival only performs his major works, Holländer, Lohengrin, Tannhäser, Ring (4), Meistersinger, Tristan, Parsifal, which are 10. 14 is amazing, and it is almost all because all would be 16 (missing Siegfried in Siegfried, and Siegfried in Götterdämmerung. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
compare Wolfgang Windgassen (famous) 8. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
compare Manfred Jung, the tenor of the Jahrhundertring, who also sang almost all Wagner tenor roles (and his hook said something like it), but in Bayreuth only 5. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Aufführungsdatenbank https://www.bayreuther-festspiele.de/fsdb/mitwirkende/hermin-esser/ lists 14 different roles in 8 operas in Bayreuth Grimes2 (talk) 15:43, 21 July 2019 (UTC)


Korean National Youth Association

  • ... that the Korean National Youth Association was an anti-communist right-wing group founded in 1946 under the catchphrase "National Branch, National Geography"? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
    • ALT1:... that the Korean National Youth Association set up a training center in 1946 with the support of the U.S. government? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Sunghokyoung (talk) and 95leegy (talk). Nominated by 166.104.240.105 (talk) at 07:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   The article had not been expanded in the week leading up to the nomination, nor has it been since. It has multiple unresolved issues tag, that no one seems to be working actively on resolving. The IP nom might have been trolling. As such, I have elected not to notify at their talk page. Recommend speedy close as a hopeless case. My second review. Usedtobecool ✉️  18:48, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Usedtobecool, the article was worked on in a user's sandbox, and according to its history, was moved to article mainspace on May 24, three days before it was nominated. As such, it is eligible for DYK, since articles are considered to be new when moved to mainspace, regardless of how long they were worked on in Draft or User space; it was nominated three days later, well within the seven-day limit. The article clearly has issues, but since it does have basic newness and size eligibility, we should notify nominator and creators of the review and issues found, which do include all those unresolved issues tags. If no work is begun to resolve such issues in the next week or two after notification, that's soon enough to begin action to close the nomination. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Wow! Yeah, completely missed that part about reviewing. Thanks! I'll write a review with more specific issues and leave messages on the talk pages of creators as well as the IP nom. Usedtobecool ✉️  21:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
BlueMoonset it seems the nom was created by one of the creators of the article and then the IP made an edit changing details of the nomination, including putting themself as the nominator in place of the original nom. So, I only notified the creators, and the original nom, for now. Please advise; this is one of the peculiar things I've come across. Usedtobecool ✉️  21:25, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  •  Correction: The article actually does qualify as new enough and long enough, as a lengthy article moved to mainspace within a week before nomination. However, it has multiple issues that require a significant amount of work fixing. The article could benefit from attention by an editor with fluency in Korean. The article requires reorganising as the tag suggests, and this needs to be done as part of the DYK approval process. In addition, the article lacks consistency in grammar. It also requires significant copyediting even though the tag was recently removed, since it's hard to understand exactly what happened in the history of the subject. For example, some sources as well as some parts of the article suggest the group was disbanded in 1949 while a significant part of the article continues to tell the organisation's history past 1949, even up to 1954. There are neutrality issues that can be resolved relatively easily once other issues are addressed. At least one source seems to be dead. Two other sources don't seem to be on the subject at all. In particular, I strongly doubt that a list of abstracts from an ophthalmology journal would verify facts about Korean history. A good place to start is to put the history in chronological order, making it clear exactly what had happened at each landmark date with regard to the subject rather than broadly to Korea. This chronology should be written, also making clear exactly who believed in which ideology; the words liberal, liberty, right-wing, left-wing, anti-communist and nationalist should be used with care. Usedtobecool ✉️  21:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on May 31Edit

Mrinalini Devi

 
Mrinalini Devi with Rabindranath Tagore, 1883

Created by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 05:22, 1 June 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited:  ??
  • Interesting:  ??

QPQ:  ??
Overall:   Excellent article and addition to women in wikipedia. Could you bring at least one English language source? As to the hook, it seems to me that it's more interesting that she was just nine years old when they married. QPQ still to do. Onceinawhile (talk) 09:40, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile: Frankly, Tagore is not hardly celebrated outside the Bengal region, so hardly is there any other language source with much information. I could only find these (1 2 3). Also during those days, marrying at 9 was not uncommon. RRD (talk) 15:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
How about: Sahu, Monideepa (15 May 2013). "Chapter 7: Marriage". Rabindranath Tagore: Puffin Lives. Penguin Books Limited. ISBN 978-81-8475-991-4.
Onceinawhile (talk) 15:49, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
How about a hook relating to Mrinalini’s views on Kadambari Devi. That is sure to get some clicks! Onceinawhile (talk) 15:54, 1 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   The article is need of a copyedit before this can be promoted. There are many awkward grammatical constructions throughout the article. In addition, the hook, while it has potential, lacks context for non-Indian readers. For example, it states "unlike traditional marriages". How are readers supposed to know what a traditional Indian marriage is like? The hook does not make sense without context. Failing that, we can go with Onceinawhile's suggestion:
ALT1 ... that Rabindranath Tagore married his wife Mrinalini Devi when she was nine years old and he was twenty-two?
ALT1a ... that the Indian writer and Nobel laureate Rabindranath Tagore married his wife Mrinalini Devi when she was nine years old and he was twenty-two?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 15:34, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
  • The hook provides no context, and therefore honestly isn't very interesting. Who are the people getting married, why are they important? Are they breaking traditions from 800 years ago, or last year? Are they in India, or living in another country at the time? Also, I do find it odd their age at marriage is not mentioned. Tradition in certain places and times or not, child marriage is obviously and invariably horrible, and if their marriage was, for some reason, not horrible (they held off on intimacy until she was old enough to consent despite the grooming, etc.), then perhaps the article and hook should reflect that. Otherwise, it seems the hook is hiding the real story, i.e. horror story, for no particular reason other than a dedication to the banal. 47.185.218.146 (talk) 23:52, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Agree to ALT2. RRD (talk) 10:56, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Arvind Sawant

5x expanded by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 16:04, 31 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   A better hook might be needed here as I don't think the company is well-known outside of India, and it would not be clear to our non-Indian readers how working for them is important. If anything, at the very least, additional context is needed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:30, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5:, that is what I wanted to mean - a person who started his career at an unknown company is now the union minister of India. RRD (talk) 10:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
It doesn't change the fact that the hook fact is simply uninteresting to non-Indian readers, and ministers having non-government jobs isn't very hooky to begin with. Can something else be proposed here? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:19, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── If @Royroydeb: doesnt mind then i can propose following hook:

ALT1: ... that Indian minister Arvind Sawant, who earlier worked with Mahanagar Telephone Nigam Limited as an engineer, was one of the members of 16th Lok Sabha who presented the most number of private member bills?

§§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:03, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

That hook is 205 characters which is above the limit. It could possibly be shortened to simply:
ALT1a ... that Indian minister Arvind Sawant, a former engineer, was one of the members of 16th Lok Sabha who presented the most number of private member bills?
Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:08, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── Suggesting more crisp ALT2. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:01, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

ALT2:... that minister Arvind Sawant, who earlier worked with MTNL, was one of the members of 16th Lok Sabha who presented the most number of private member bills?
ALT2 doesn't really solve the issue of the fact that the company is not well known outside of India, and in any case doesn't really add much to the hook. In fact, ALT1a/ALT2 could be shortened to merely focus on his high number of private member bills, if anything. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The hook in itself is not of interest to people outside India and many more things on the main page are similarly of not interest to many more other people of the world. Global interest will be rarely achieved and that am sure is not the aspect the main page is looking for. If you can drop off this point and approve the hook then please do it; or we can look for a different reviewer. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:28, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
The hook in itself is not of interest to people outside India. That is precisely the problem here. DYK hooks are intended to be interesting to broad audiences (it's even stated in the rules), meaning that even people from outside the hook subject's specialization or country can appreciate them. It's entirely possible to make a hook about an Indian subject that at the same time could appeal to someone from Poland or Vanuatu. As it is, the apparent insistence on focusing on MTNL will not go much due to the lack of appeal outside of India. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:02, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
Which hook are you ready to approve? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 01:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
At the moment, there is currently no hook that I'm willing to approve. Althought I proposed ALT1a, I can't approve it since I proposed it myself. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────  New reviewer needed. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:58, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

  • ALT3 ... prior to becoming a minister, Arvind Sawant was working as a telecom engineer in state-run MTNL? This would work better. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:34, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
I would prefer hook ALT 2. RRD (talk) 04:59, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   The submitted QPQ review is actually a single question about the source of birth and death dates. QPQs must be complete reviews in order to qualify for DYK. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:21, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Dad Behavior

  • ... that Marge, Homer, Lisa and Maggie all die in the couch gag of The Simpsons episode "Dad Behavior", leaving Bart in control of the TV remote? Source: [12]
    • ALT1:... that all but one of the Simpsons die in the couch gag of the episode "Dad Behavior"?

Improved to Good Article status by Jonie148 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC).

  •   New hooks are needed as both fail WP:DYKSG#C6, which require that hooks about works of fiction need to be connected to the real world in some way. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay. I hadn't noticed (and don't like) this rule, but I'm obviously going to have to play along. The hooks suggested above are the most interesting aspect of the article in my opinion, so although bringing in "real world context" makes the phrasing more awkward, I want to adapt them, rather than redo them. How about the following alternative?
  • ALT2 ... that all but one of the Simpsons die prior to the couch gag of the episode "Dad Behavior", which was also the first episode of The Simpsons to be written by series co-executive producer Ryan Koh?

Jonie148 (talk) 13:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

It still focuses on a plot point, so it wouldn't meet the rule either. It doesn't matter if it's the most interesting aspect of the article, if it does not meet that rule, it can't be used. I see this is your first DYK nomination so it's understandable if you weren't aware of this rule. For reference, here's an example of a possible hook that does follow the requirement of a real-world connection:
ALT3 ... that "Dad Behavior" was the first episode of The Simpsons to be written by series co-executive producer Ryan Koh?
Granted, I'm not sure if it will appeal to non-Simpsons fans, but perhaps another reviewer could chime in here. Another possibility, if you still wish to use the couch gag as a source for hook facts, could be to use the reviews used in the Reception section (i.e. try writing a hook about how the couch gag was received, using the quotes given by reviewers as a basis). If you're having difficulty, you're free to leave a request at WT:DYK for help. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:12, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
There is no rule which says that a hook can't focus on a plot point. The rule simply says that such a hook "must involve the real world in some way", which ALT2 definitely does. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
At the very least, it's discouraged in most cases, unless additional context is required. And even if that were not the case, the other issue with ALT2 is that it seems to combine two very different hook facts, which makes the hook lack focus. Does it want to focus on the couch gag, or the writer? It would probably be better to stick to only one or the other, but not both. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:54, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks both for your input and suggestions. In my opinion, a simple reordering of ALT2 makes it seem more focused. I also like the idea of a hook about how the couch gag was received, as represented in ALT4.
ALT2 ... that "Dad Behavior" was the first episode of The Simpsons to be written by series co-executive producer Ryan Koh, and all but one of the Simpsons die prior to its couch gag?
ALT4 ... that critics found the couch gag of The Simpsons episode "Dad Behavior" remarkably grim, as all but one of the Simpsons die during its otherwise familiar title sequence? Source: [13][14][15]
I prefer ALT4 personally. Jonie148 (talk) 07:21, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I think ALT4 is the best option thus far. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:35, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Full review needed now that potential hooks have been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:43, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm going to be afk for the next two weeks or so, and I won't be able to respond to reviews or comments during this time, but please feel free to continue this process in my absence Jonie148 (talk) 07:40, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 1Edit

Rathindranath Tagore

 
Tagore in 1953

Created by Royroydeb (talk). Self-nominated at 15:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Can a better hook be proposed here? I don't think that university is well-known outside of India, so it wouldn't be clear to non-Indian readers how being the first leader of this university is a big deal. I wouldn't be opposed to including that fact in a hook though: perhaps you can include that he's Rabindrananth Tagore's son? 11:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
  • I'd be opposed to letting the hook rest on family ties, even to a known person, and I doubt that that person is known better than the university. The hook works fine for me, - no, I don't know the university but am ready to find out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:28, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Well Rabindranath Tagore is quite a famous person, even outside India, and it would feel like a waste not to mention him somewhere. I would not have been opposed to the current hook had the university been well known outside India, but alas. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
We disagree about that a thing mentioned in a hook has to be known already, - I say no, we have a link, and a university where the subject held a position seems better suited to speak about the subject than someone famous, but just related. We just had the hook about the O'Keeffe sister who didn't use the famous name because she wanted to be her own, not just a famous woman's sister. That was the hook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Just kicking my heels here, waiting for a nomination of mine to be reviewed. Can I suggest an alternative?

  • ALT1: ... that Rathindranath Tagore (pictured) resigned the Vice-Chancelorship of the Visva-Bharati University after embarking on a relationship with the wife of a professor there? It seems to me that more of the article is devoted to this relationship than to his academic career. Scolaire (talk) 14:28, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
    I think that again deviates from what he did, - mentioning that he resigned for a relationship may be better. Royroydeb, can you please decide if the woman's name should be Mira or Meera? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
(I was away, so I could not reply earlier). @Narutolovehinata5:. As pointed by @Gerda Arendt:, the particular university is linked within the hook. Mira has been changed to Meera as it is the most commonly used spelling (some even spell it Meira like Meira Kumar). Although, I prefer the original hook, I would suggest another one
ALT2: ... that Rathindranath Tagore (pictured) was the first vice-chancellor of the Visva-Bharati University which was founded by his father Rabindranath Tagore? RRD (talk) 13:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
  I hope a prep builder will take into account that you and I prefer the original. - ALT2 sounds a bit like: no wonder he got the position being the founder's son. - Detailed bio on good sources, Bengali sources accepted AGF. Please mark them all als in Bengali. The image is licensed and a good illustration. I recomment combining his marriage and relationship to one section "Private life". I also doubt the "filled with controversy" in the lead is a good summary, - perhaps drop that sentence, or write a better one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:09, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
  @Royroydeb: The article has some clarification tags which need addressing before this can be promoted. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
@Royroydeb: The clarification needed tags are still there. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: I had been inactive for a long time. I have now removed the tags with explanations. RRD (talk) 16:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
Proposing possible alternative hooks, based on a proposal by Alanscottwalker:
ALT3... that Rathindranath Tagore, who became the first vice-chancellor of Visva-Bharati University, joined in the development of the school at the urging of his Nobel Prize-winning father?
ALT4... that Rathindranath Tagore, who became the first vice-chancellor of Visva-Bharati University, initially became involved with school at the urging of his Nobel Prize-winning father?
I'm not sure if this will be good enough (it was modified to reflect article content, since he didn't become vice-chancellor until after Rabindranath's death, and a word other than "joined" could be used instead for ALT3), but it's probably more interesting than simply saying he was the first vice-chancellor of that university. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 2Edit

Rugg/Feldman benchmarks

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self-nominated at 11:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC).

Reviewed Hells Bells.

I think of the various hooks, ALT1 is the most "hooky" and likely the best? Maury Markowitz (talk) 11:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 3Edit

Susan Beschta

Created by Andrew Davidson (talk). Self-nominated at 22:36, 10 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Full review to follow, but for now I have to say that the stub templates in the article have to be removed before this can qualify for DYK. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:47, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   @Andrew Davidson: This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. A QPQ has been done. At the moment I think the article fails DYK supplementary rule D7. It appears to be incomplete, has an unexpanded empty section and fails to deal with her second career as a lawyer (except briefly in the lead) or mention her death. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:20, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Some others started editing the article and I stepped away to avoid conflict. I shall resume now; more anon. Andrew D. (talk) 09:25, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Kang Woo Kyu

  • ... that Kang Woo Kyu was a fighter for Korean independence during the Japanese colonial period? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Won96 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   @Won96: Hey, I've given a bit of polish to the hook. The article is a strong start but it needs a bit of copyediting. (I've also done some to the hook, adding a link.) I don't think I'm the right person for the job, though, since I'm not a topic expert and I don't speak Korean. While the article is new enough out of mainspace, long enough and has a good density of citations, I strongly advise you to take it to WP:GOCE and have someone with more familiarity with Korean copyedit this for you. Raymie (tc) 18:28, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 4Edit

String Quartet in A major (Bliss)

 
Arthur Bliss
  • ... that the String Quartet in A major was composed in 1913 while Arthur Bliss (pictured) was an undergraduate but like his other pre-war chamber music, was suppressed and not revived until the 1990s?

Created by Graham1973 (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 06:04, 10 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   — Several sentences and an entire paragraph lack citations. Second sentence in lede, pertaining to the hook, is not cited. Also, anything summarized in the lede should be covered in the body of text. i.e. The word "suppressed" occurs in the lede, but the body of text only mentions "withdrawn", making it a bit unclear that this is the "suppressed" referred to in the lede. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:00, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Well, some citations seem to be in the middle of the sentence rather than at the end, and I could move those, but we really need @Graham1973: to deal with the uncited paragraph, and whether "suppressed" is the best word to use. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Having looked further at the article, the sources are largely online, but I am not going to attempt to improve the referencing. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  The sources check out, but there may be an issue with Sam Ellis' thesis, concerning whether it was published by a reputable publisher, per reliable source eligibility. Recently I was involved with such an issue regarding one of my DYK nominations. I've seen many sources used to pass a DYK nomination that seemed less reliable, but depending on the reviewer, this source may pose issues. We'll need more opinions on that note. Sorry I can't be of any further help at this time. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
I've started a discussion over at WP:RSN regarding the thesis part. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:51, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
The source in question here is a Doctoral Thesis, and such sources were deemed somewhat reliable in this RSN discussion. There still may be issues with its publishing, however. Good luck. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
I have just made a comment at WP:RSN, also quoting the same earlier discussion as Narutolovehinata5 does here. I would consider the PhD thesis reliable - however, I note in checking the references to the thesis that it actually says "He composed a String Quartet in A major in about 1913, his final year at Cambridge. ... The first public performance of the quartet was given on 9 June 1914 at Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge: it can be safely classified, therefore, as a student work," [my emphasis]. The hook above leaves out "about", and just says "in 1913".
More to the point, it seems to me, is whether the reference for the "withdrawal" or the "suppression" of the work is reliable? It comes from a review of a 2019 performance in Seen and Heard International, which states that the information is based on the programme notes. RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:06, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Carlton le Willows Academy

Improved to Good Article status by Curlymanjaro (talk). Self-nominated at 21:22, 6 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   recently promoted to GA, no copyvio, long enough, well cited, no plagiarism concerns. May not need QPQ? Primary hook is awkwardly worded and not cited in the article; ALT1 is not especially interesting.Kenirwin/(talk) 23:30, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Guess you're right, although I did quite like ALT1. How about this:
    • ALT2:... that Carlton le Willows Academy was opened in 1956 by Sir John Wolfenden, whose report, first recommending the decriminalisation of homosexuality in Britain, was published a year later? Source: Association of Education Committees (1956). British Education Index. 108. London: Councils and Education Press. p. 1000. OCLC 225906831.

Articles created/expanded on June 5Edit

William Barnes (entomologist)

  • ... that at the death of William Barnes in 1930, his collection of butterflies was regarded as the largest and finest in the world with possibly 10,000 species and an estimated 473,000 specimens? It is also the largest collection by number of specimens in the history of the Smithsonian Institution. [18]

Created by Pvmoutside (talk). Self-nominated at 17:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Hi Pvmoutside. Unfortunately the article is not currently well enough referenced to qualify to DYK - there needs to be an inline citation at the end of each paragraph as a minimum. If you can improve this, drop me a line and I will pop back to complete the review. Thanks - Dumelow (talk) 06:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment: Sourcing aside, the hook is far too long and cumbersome. Hooks should be concise! Everything after "finest in the world" should be dropped. --Animalparty! (talk) 06:26, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

2019 Tripoli shooting

 
Tripoli is northern city in Lebanon
  • Comment: I hope accept my new DYK, I worked a lot for creating article

Created by Forest90 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:16, 7 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 6Edit

Digital media use and mental health

 
A young boy engaged with a smartphone

Improved to Good Article status by E.3 (talk) and Farang Rak Tham (talk). Nominated by E.3 (talk) at 20:00, 6 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Although above my name is listed as an editor, I only did the GA review, and am therefore sufficiently independent to do a DYK review.
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   You are linking to sections within the article. I don't think that is possible for a DYK. If you insist, I can check with some admin, but I have never seen anyone do it. Also, ALT3 is too long. A DYK entry can't exceed 200 characters. For ALT1, I couldn't find the part in the wiki article where it says that the Goldlocks hypothesis is related to avoiding depressive symptoms and promoting overall wellbeing. So please adjust the wiki article, or remove this hook. For ALT2, the wiki article doesn't state that there is controversy about the word, just that its usefulness has been questioned. In ALT3, it is not clear what is the cause and what is the effect you are describing when you say causality. Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

  •   Fixed Thanks @Farang Rak Tham: I removed those ones as the hook is too hard to explain with the small amount of words. I would prefer it if it could link to the section of the article. The inline citations are in the articles, is that sufficient? Thanks --E.3 (talk) 04:45, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for that. I removed the section links --E.3 (talk) 11:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came here from the notice at WT:DYK. If you're talking about linking social media to social media addiction and video games to video game addiction in ALT0, it's not logical, because people will think the links refer to social media and video games. Anyway, ALT0 is not written like a standard hook, in one sentence. Re ALT2, the first piped link should not be piped at all. The target article is already linked at the end of the hook. ALT4 seems like the most viable hook to me. Yoninah (talk) 12:10, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for that. I consider a version of ALT0 to be the most interesting, I edited based on this comment, and have made an ALT5 if it is more appropriate. Happy for any hook though. Thanks! --E.3 (talk) 12:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • You need to write the hook as one sentence, like:
  • ALT5a: ... that because females are more likely to overuse social media, and males video games, forms of problematic digital media use are likely not singular, simple phenomena?
  • But really, that's not "hooky". ALT4 has more potential IMO. Yoninah (talk) 12:28, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks Yoninah for the valuable comments.
  •   Approving ALT4. Main hook, ALT5 or ALT5a can be approved if you merge the two sentences, as is already done in ALT5a, and make the hook more catchier. Try using more lay language, less scholarly.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks both for that. I changed ALT5a now. I think its "hooky" because most of the research so far has predominantly focused on gaming disorder whereas social media overuse appears to affect females more. --E.3 (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @E.3: it is not good form to edit the hooks after they have been approved. @Farang Rak Tham: if you have any qualms about the hook language, why are you giving it an approval tick? Yoninah (talk) 13:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • OK, I see that Farang Rak Tham has only approved ALT4. E.3 ALT5a, like ALT5, still has scholarly language that will not "hook" casual readers, so I'm striking it. Let's just proceed with ALT4. Yoninah (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Many apologies about the lack of form, first DYK and edit conflict, no worries with ALT4, thanks a lot! --E.3 (talk) 13:16, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────Yoninah, since I approved only one hook, and crossed out the others, it seems to me I am following guidelines. Let me know if you do see a problem, and I can learn more.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 21:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

  • No, everything you did was good, Farang Rak Tham. I was having trouble following the thread of what happened after your approval, and made my first post in error. You left the template with all unapproved hooks struck, and the nominator came back and added one. Thank you for your work. Yoninah (talk) 22:53, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • It has become a complicated thread indeed. Thanks for responding to my questions and helping us out here, Yoninah. And thanks for processing the DYKs i did in the last months. Other language wikipedias are much less accomodating to religious subjects in DYKs, so I am happy with you and others' help here.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:34, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

  I pulled this from queue and re-opened the nomination. There needs to be a new, uninvolved reviewer go over this. Farang Rak Tham was the GA reviewer, and is listed as one of the article's editors. In fact, the article history shows they made 46 edits. The DYK reviewer needs to be a different editor. Thanks. — Maile (talk) 00:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Maile66, could you please provide me with a link to a guideline or policy that states a GA reviewer cannot review a DYK? So I can read up and prevent mistakes next time. Thank you.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 08:43, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
It also seems to me that Yoninah has approved of the hook alt4, and he is even more independent than me.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 08:46, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I said I liked it; I didn't review it. Yoninah (talk) 11:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Farang Rak Tham Supplementary guidelines-Rules for evaluating other people's hooks and articles "H2: You're not allowed to approve your own hook or article, nor may you review an article if it's a recently listed Good Article that you either nominated or reviewed for GA (though you can still nominate it for DYK). DYK novices are strongly discouraged from confirming articles that are subject to active arbitration remedies, as are editors active in those areas. Use common sense here, and avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest. A valid DYK nomination will readily be confirmed by a neutral editor." — Maile (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  So if I understand correctly, this nomination needs to be posted again under the appropriate date on the nominations page, which I suspect will be June, 6th. Apologies, E.3.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 13:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
You are correct, and it is already reposted on June 6. — Maile (talk) 15:17, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 7Edit

Psalm 150

  • ... that Psalm 150 names nine kinds of musical instruments to be used in praise of God, including the harp, lyre, drum, flute, cymbal, and shofar? Source: "He should be praised with every type of instrument, from the blasts of the shofar to harps, tambourines, flutes, cymbals, and more. (David lists nine types of instruments in all – even castanets!)" (Orthodox Union)
    • ALT1:... that in the ancient Jewish text of Perek Shirah, verse 5 of Psalm 150 is said by the spider, and verse 6 by the rat? Source: "The Spider is saying, "Praise Him with sounding cymbals! Praise Him with loud clashing cymbals!" (Psalms 150:5)" ... "The Rat is saying, 'Let every soul praise God, Hallelukah! (Psalms 150:6)" (Perek Shirah

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Yoninah (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 22:51, 12 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Of the two hooks, I think I prefer ALT1, but the wording seems to assume that readers know what Psalm 150, Perhaps instead of "said by the spider" or "by the rat", perhaps the hook could be rephrased to instead say "said by a spider", or a general statement like "certain verses are said by animals such as a spider and a rat"? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:02, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Narutolovehinata5: Perek Shirah asserts that each animal, bird, and inanimate objects like the sun, moon, and earth, all "sing shirah (praises)" to God. It then connects a verse in Tanakh with each animal/bird/object. The format for each entry is: The spider says, '(text of verse)'". The rat says, '(text of verse)'". It is inaccurate to say that these verses are "said by a spider". I think the way I wrote it is most accurate and also hooky. Yoninah (talk) 00:13, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Hmmm, can you rewrite the hook then to focus on Shirah's assertion? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:23, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   For the most part, article meets expansion and paraphrasing requirements. A QPQ has been done. Most of the article is sourced, and ALT2a is cited inline and verified in the sources. However, the article has several unsourced statements, such as most of the "Musical settings" section and the last sentence of the Catholicism section. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:40, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • The Catholicism section has one cite in the paragraph, which meets WP:DYKSG#D2. Pinging @Gerda Arendt: on the musical settings section. Yoninah (talk) 01:39, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
    Will do later today. Ping me again if I forget please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:31, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
    I managed a few from the top. Do you really need more, when the title of the pieces is Psalm 150? I didn't write the list, - it was there before we expanded. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 8Edit

2007 Terengganu Riot

  • ... that police shot two men during a peaceful rally-turned-riot in Terengganu, Malaysia? Source: "At 11.45pm, a general duty police constable allegedly shoots PAS members Suwandi Abdul Ghani (left), 37, and Muhamad Azman Aziz, 21, near Permai Inn Hotel. In all, four shots are fired. Police later say the constable was acting in self-defence after being surrounded and assaulted by 20 people." ([19])

Created by Bejinhan (talk). Self-nominated at 00:38, 9 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   I have some concerns about the article that need to be addressed as soon as possible. Firstly, the article states that there was a plan to hold some kind of inquiry on the incident, as discussed in the "Aftermath" section. However, the section doesn't seem to have any updates on what happened to that inquiry, or what were its findings. Secondly, while the hook is technically acceptable, it sounds like a news report rather than a hook and doesn't give much context about the event (it doesn't even mention the year, which could make people assume that it happened this year!). These need to be resolved before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
The nominator has not edited in almost a month, and has mostly been inactive since June 10th (save for an edit on June 24th). If they will be unable to reply by Thursday, the nomination may be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:03, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Nanoinformatics

Source: "Informatics methods are considered to be necessary tools for the advancement of cancer nanotechnology research... The complexity, richness, and direct therapeutic or diagnostic relevance of [nanoparticle drug] data leads to a combinatorial complexity that far exceeds genomic data." [20]

Created by Egon Willighagen (talk), John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk), ARECCfan (talk), and Room309 (talk). Nominated by ARECCfan (talk) at 19:11, 8 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   @ARECCfan and John P. Sadowski (NIOSH): This article is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. No QPQ is needed here. There are two problems, there is a "citation needed" tag which needs attention, and the hook facts need inline citations, - not at the end of the paragraph but at the end of the sentence in which each fact appears, a more specific requirement than demanded elsewhere in Wikipedia. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:45, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Trust Exercise (novel)

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 12:28, 8 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   A new hook is probably needed: it is not uncommon for authors to be mad while writing, and the hook lacks context as to how her case is special. In addition, the article needs a copyedit due to grammatical errors and typos. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5 How is this hook?___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
It sounds like a rather bland hook sadly, even if it was reworded into a more succinct form of English. Give me a day or two and I'll try to help out with possible alternative hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
I apologize for the late reply. While I mostly came up with a blank, I did think of one suggestion: I found it interesting that the book seemed to have been at least partly inspired by both the election of Trump and the author's breakup with her husband. Perhaps a hook based on either or both might work? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:01, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5 How is this hook?____CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 09:08, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
  It's a hookier hook, but due to possible BLP concerns as well as the Trump mention I think we may need a second opinion on its appropriateness. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:19, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Rose Hollermann

 
Rose Hollermann at the 2016 Rio Paralympics
  • ... that Rose Hollermann (pictured) was the youngest player on the Team USA women's wheelchair basketball team at the 2016 Rio Paralympics? Source: "Hollermann was the National Junior Wheelchair Basketball National Champion from 2008-10 and is the youngest member on the gold medal-winning team for the 2016 Rio Paralympic Games" [23]

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:19, 8 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   New enough. Long enough. AGF on the hook source, as I get "451: Unavailable for legal reasons", not being based in the US. The "youngest" hook is a bit dull, not really "interesting" in my opinion. There are only five people on a basketball team, as I recall. Perhaps something about how she survived a car accident that killed two of her brothers? Article is well-cited. NPOV observed. Earwig and spot-checking reveal no close paraphrasing, copyright violations or plagiarism issues. Image is suitably licenced for main page. QPQ done. Edwardx (talk) 10:45, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
    • There are twelve players on a Paralympic basketball team. Only five are on the court at any time. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 11:45, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, Hawkeye7. Youngest of 12 is better, but is it really "interesting"? Edwardx (talk) 12:22, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Climate system

Converted from a redirect by Femkemilene (talk). Self-nominated at 16:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 9Edit

Xia Da

Created by Kamakou (talk). Self-nominated at 02:43, 10 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   New enough, long enough, within policy, QPQ not needed as the nominator's first DYK, picture is free to use if desired. Hooks are formatted properly, but neither strike me as particularly interesting. I suggest crafting one around her first comic coming out before she graduated university. Argento Surfer (talk) 14:00, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
@Kamakou and Argento Surfer: What about her being a Chinese manhua artist but being published in a manga magazine in Japan? That sounds pretty interesting if you ask me. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Albert W. Hicks

5x expanded by GreenC (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC).

  • I rewrote most of the article's previous text and added new text, pictures and sources. -- GreenC

Weebill

 
Weebill, Victoria
  • ... that, at 8–9 cm (3.1–3.5 in) long, the weebill (pictured) is Australia's smallest bird? Source is offline

5x expanded by Casliber (talk) and StephanieMartin272 (talk). Nominated by Casliber (talk) at 13:00, 11 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Expanded five-fold in the past seven days; long enough and within policy; hook size is fine, hook is interesting, cited (offline, but AGF) and neutral; QPQ done; image ok, but a crop wouldn't hurt, caption should be Weebill, not weebill. Otherwise GTG. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:12, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I capitalised the caption. If I get some uninterrupted time I can crop. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:01, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

1963 Freedom Ballot

  • ... that nearly 80,000 black Mississippians casted a vote in the 1963 Freedom Ballot mock election, four times more than the number of officially-registered black voters? Source: "Nearly 80,000 blacks came out to vote, four times the number of blacks registered to vote in the state." [25]

Created by MalachiReschke (talk). Nominated by MalachiReschke (talk) at 19:49, 10 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment to reviewer: I've offered to help this very new editor through this process. I've got the review on my watchlist, but feel free to ping me at any point. --valereee (talk) 10:48, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
@Valereee: Hello @MalachiReschke:, and welcome to Wikipedia - excellent first article! Basic DYK criterion have been met, and the hook sounds good, but I'm going to nitpick the article's contents a bit:
  • Article says that COFO is 4 organizations and is dominated by SNCC - can you quote the relevant passage from the JSTOR source, because I can't seem to find it? Generally, might be useful to use the rp template for that source.
  • "first integrated ticket for state leadership of Mississippi since the Reconstruction" - if I'm interpreting the source correctly, it says that it's the first "black and white" integrated ticket, not just any integrated ticket?
  • "from October 14 to November 4" - can't seem to find it in the source.
Otherwise, it would be good to go once these are resolved! Juxlos (talk) 14:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Juxlos, thank you! MalachiReschke and I will take the discussion to the talk page. Feel free to look in there if you like, and thank you for starting the review! --valereee (talk) 16:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, the editor had said they'd get to it, but they've wandered off for now; I'll go make the fixes! --valereee (talk) 11:32, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Juxlos done, would you please check the concerns? I've also tweaked the hook a bit to clarify. --valereee (talk) 11:37, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Francis Joseph Bigger

Created/expanded by Uncle G (talk). Nominated by Drmies (talk) at 22:16, 9 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Mandarax, I am more or less used to including such dates, because I believe they provide context. If you like it better without, go for it: I trust your judgment. Drmies (talk) 02:15, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Doesn't matter to me. My personal preference doesn't override yours. I trust your judgement more than my own, except, of course, in the preferred spelling of "judgement". MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 02:33, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited:  Y
  • Interesting:  Y
  • Other problems:  N - Well, OK. But I wonder if there are any other interesting hooks that can be created from the article. It seems like Bigger was quite an interesting fella. For instance, I liked this factoid: His interest in archeology remained noted by archeologists a century later, with sites that he had dug being known informally as "well and truly Biggered"
QPQ: Done.

Overall:   epicgenius (talk) 00:13, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

  • Epicgenius, thanks--the YMD format, I think Uncle G chose that because it is a very acceptable way of doing things in Europe. As for the hook, I don't know. I think the "Biggered" thing is funny but somewhat minimal; I wrote the hook the way I did because it allowed to give more wikilinked context. But I'm open to suggestions. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
    • The "well and truly" one is understandably tempting, although I would not go with it myself, for much the same reasons. There are a lot of others. Let me know if any of these interest you, so that I can write them up, because there is so much available that is not even in the article, yet. Uncle G (talk) 21:51, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 10Edit

Vicky Knight

  • ALT2: ... that Vicky Knight has said that all the tears she wept during the production of her debut film were real?

Created/expanded by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 23:40, 10 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Length and currency: 1529 prose characters, so just meets the threshold; new enough.
  • Sourced: All claims in the article are sourced.
  • Hook: There is no mention of the subject having breakdowns on set in the article text, and it seems exploitative to use a living person's physical injuries and mental health issues to get DYK clicks in any case.
  • Article: Poorly composed and has grammatical errors. It only mentions the subject being in a fire and her role in one film; there is no other information at all, not even a date or year of birth, place of birth, etc.
  • Copyvio: The text is ok, Earwig pick up the quotes, but they have been cited. The image is not Creative Commons and is under discussion as a likely CopyVio.
  • QPQ: done
  • Overall:   I don't think this should go through because the article is not complete or well-rounded enough, Rule D7. A biography should do more than just mention two events (the fire and the film role) that the subject was involved with. I'll leave it for a second opinion though.Felixkrater (talk) 05:40, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Coming here for a second opinion. I have to agree that the state of the article is not good enough for DYK at this time. Even if you do ignore the content issues, right now there are several typos and grammatical errors, meaning the article needs a copyedit. But more importantly, there seems to be too much weight given to the fire incident, while almost ignoring other aspects about her life and career. Thus, I have to concur with Felix's concerns regarding D7. @CAPTAIN MEDUSA: I will give you ten days to address the article issues; the nomination will be marked for closure as unsuccessful if you will be unable to do so. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:11, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Narutolovehinata5, I am working on it. Give me one more day.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 11:05, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  Thanks. Pinging Felixkrater to return to the nomination to complete the review. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Note that I am opposed to the currently proposed hook due to BLP concerns. A more neutral hook is needed. Narutolovehinata5 tc

csdnew 00:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

How about, "that Vicky Knight has said that all the tears she wept during the production of her debut film were real"? DS (talk) 22:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
  • CopyVio The image used is not under Creative Commons license and it is under discussion as a likely copyright vio.
  • Incomplete information -
  • 1. It says she was named "Student of the Year", but no mention of which FE College she went to, or what she studied.
  • 2. You mention a Ronnie Springer who saved the children, but no mention of who he was. I think he was one of the pub's customers from one of your sources, but you need to say and ref that; just naming someone with no explanation of who they are creates confusion.
  • 3. You have given a year of birth, but you don't make it specifically clear how old she was when the fire happened, and you don't specifically say that it was her cousins who were killed in the fire, although all of this info is given in the sources you found. This is important, basic info. You need to flesh the story about the pub fire a bit more - it looks a bit odd to just say "she fell asleep" in the pub, when she was staying, or being baby-sat, or living (which one?) with her grandfather. Were the children alone in the flat?
  • 4. I heard her being interviewed on the BBC a few weeks ago, and her "day job" is working as a care assistant in the hospital burns unit where she was treated. I think that is important info that should be included. It is probably in your sources, or you could do further research to find a source.
  • Hook - As already noted, the hook is exploitative and too negative. The one suggested by DS above is also too negative. Something around the charity she set up, or the fact that she works where she was treated would be better.
  • Final point - Can you please spend more time preparing your articles before nominating them for DYK. English doesn't seem to be your first language, so with any article you write, you need to get someone you know to review it or ask the Project Guild of Editors to look at it. Felixkrater (talk) 08:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 11Edit

Cozzi porcelain

 
Cozzi figure of a dwarf

Created by Johnbod (talk) and Zigzig20s (talk). Nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 02:43, 20 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Prefer ALT2 195.7.32.142 (talk) 12:29, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Article needs a copy edit, but it's interesting and I'll give it a full review when work has been done. Kingsif (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
  • What makes you think that? Johnbod (talk) 17:11, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
@Johnbod: The sheer lack of correct grammar, mostly. Kingsif (talk) 17:43, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Oh, really. You'd better point to some examples. Johnbod (talk) 18:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
I did this edit — as you can see there are still issues where the grammar is so poor I don't know what it's trying to say to correct it. Kingsif (talk) 18:06, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
None of these changes have anything to do with "grammar", or the DYK criteria. Any further discussion should be on article talk. I must admit that I hadn't anticipated that anyone could get 2/3 of the way through an article on 18th-century porcelain, which had already linked to and mentioned the Republic of Venice, and them declare themselves confused as to whether a further mention of "the republic" meant that or the Republic of Italy (established in 1946), but I suppose it shows you have to be ready for all eventualities. Johnbod (talk) 18:01, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

─────────────────────────The number of commas I moved sure were grammar, but you're right, there was a lot of poor syntax, too. Be prepared for people who perhaps click on the link from DYK and don't know about the history of Italy! Enjoy working on it, it is interesting, you can ping me when tags addressed or reply here :) Kingsif (talk) 18:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Ernst Gerold Schramm

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 07:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   I think the reason no one has commented is that your source doesn't say he was the voice of Christ, but just that he was a baritone in those performances. How do we know that aspect? Killiondude (talk) 01:17, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I think the reason is that I only nominated just now, with several other nominations waiting longer. T am travelling, asking for patience. No decent source will say baritone because it's his voice type, but that wasn't in use at Bach's ime who would assign the words of Jesus (vox Christi) to a bass, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
I reviewed #4 of the multi-article nom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 13Edit

Articles created/expanded on June 14Edit

Nanjing Golden Dragon Bus

  • ... that Nanjing Golden Dragon Bus's chairman, Huang Honsheng, assumed the role after he bailed from prison in 2009 for six years' imprisonment in 2006 on four counts from theft of corporate funds?
    • ALT1:... that Huang Honsheng was arrested for embezzling more than 50 million yuan from two Skyworth subsidiaries with his brother from 2000 to 2004 before he was chairman of Nanjing Golden Dragon Bus?

Created by Ominae (talk). Self-nominated at 11:44, 14 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Both hooks seem to be BLP violations and thus I'm comfortable with either being used on the main page. Maybe something else could be used that doesn't have to do with the chairman's criminal record? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:11, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Can't think of anything interesting that I can find based on my initial research. How about something related to joint research with a university outside of China...
ALT2:... that Nanjing Golden Dragon Bus has established a joint research laboratory with San Diego State University in 2015 to jointly develop batteries and other electric technologies? Ominae (talk) 03:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
ALT3:... that Nanjing Golden Dragon Buss vehicle marque Skywell is inspired from the English word Skyworth?
I'd say that among the hooks proposed so far, ALT2 is probably the best one. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:53, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
It's a go then? Ominae (talk) 03:20, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Some quick comments, with the full review to follow soon. The lede says that the company "produced vans...", but the company still exists so "produced" should be in the present tense (i.e. "produces"). Secondly, RMB needs to be wikilinked. Thirdly, the "Models" table lacks citations. Finally, the article's grammar could be improved, there are some incorrect grammatical constructions throughout. I'd suggest that you request a copyedit over at WP:GOCE/R before this nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:18, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Dammit. I was sure that I had some minimal grammar errors and stuff. I can most likely use the same references for the model table. I won’t be surprised if it’ll be delayed for a bit. I'll be able to do the errors and stuff, including wikilinking some stuff as much as possible. Hopefully it still goes through. Ominae (talk) 00:31, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Noted. I'll give this a second check once the copyedit is done. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:06, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Unless I'll be missing something, it should be mostly done. Ominae (talk) 03:27, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
One last suggestion before I approve this: the article has a lot of one-sentence paragraphs. Although technically this is optional, it might be a good idea to combine several of them into single paragraphs if they go together. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Make sense. I combined some short paragraphs according to what make sense. Should be done by now. Ominae (talk) 01:54, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
There are still a few more paragraphs that could be merged. My suggestion would be to group them by year (i.e. one paragraph for every year discussed, like one for 2014, one for 2015, etc.). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:16, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Took care of that too. I didn’t do some lines that just had information on years cause they’re different topics IMO that don’t fit with the rest. Ominae (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Almost done. Just make sure that when discussing previous years, text should be in past tense (for example, "NGDB has passed the new energy vehicle production" should be "NGDB passed the new energy vehicle production"). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:41, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Took care of an obvious verb tense consistency that I saw. I’ll check later to see if there’s any updates. Ominae (talk) 06:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 15Edit

Perla Farías

  • ... that Venezuelan-American television writer Perla Farías has been a key player in changing the format of the telenovela? Source: several, in article

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 20:25, 15 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 17Edit

Bookworm (insect)

  • ... that bookworms are not actually worms, but various types of insects. Source: Britannica
    • ALT1:... that bookworms are not actually worms, and may be people too? Source: here
    • ALT2:... ... that bookworms are not actually worms, but various types of insects and may be people too? Sources:Id.

5x expanded by LizzieMack (talk), 7&6=thirteen (talk), Arjayay (talk), Clovermoss (talk), Plantdrew (talk), BabbaQ (talk), Escape Orbit (talk), Northamerica1000 (talk), AmericanAir88 (talk), and AuthorAuthor (talk). Nominated by 7&6=thirteen () 16:52, 20 June 2019 (UTC) at 16:23, 20 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Comment: While I did edit the article, I wasn't a huge part in the expansion. All 3 of my edits were relatively minor: capitalizing the first letter of the short description, adding a line break so an image file wouldn't mess up a section heading and fixing a misspelling (contary to contrary). Basically, what I'm saying is that I don't think my inclusion is all that important among all of these other editors who contributed so much more to actual content expansion. Clovermoss (talk) 17:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment I included all of the recent contributors. It takes a village to raise a child. Credited those who helped to improve it in the recent campaign! WP:DYK is not a Zero sum game. 7&6=thirteen () 17:01, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
    • Comment Okay, I'm okay with your explanation. I usually try to improve the TAFI if I'm around and I can, but I take no issue with recognizing every recent contributer; gradual improvements by numerous editors is one of the reasons I like TAFI so much. Clovermoss (talk) 17:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
I totally agree. WP:TAFI Having the community get together and collaborate! It's a Barn raising in the finest sense. 7&6=thirteen () 17:30, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Sorry folks, this article is an expansion of an existing article and does not meet DYK requirements in that it has not been expanded five-fold. It was 1060 characters before expansion and is currently 3637, so it has way to go! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:14, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
User:Cwmhiraeth When I moninated it, it was much larger. Thereafter material was removed. I'll try to expand it. 7&6=thirteen () 13:36, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 18Edit

Deepak Fertilisers and Petrochemicals Corporation Limited

Created by Dharmadhyaksha (talk). Self-nominated at 06:08, 25 June 2019 (UTC).

So should the hook be changed to "... that Deepak Fertilizers claims that it has GPS..."? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 08:01, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Raja ibn Haywa

  • ... that Raja ibn Haywa, a native of Palestine, supervised the financing of the Dome of the Rock's construction in Jerusalem? Source: "We know that Raja and ... were concerned in the building of the Dome of the Rock, apparently as financial controllers" Bosworth, C. E. (1982), Medieval Arabic culture and administration. p. 83.; Source: "All Arabic sources ... are clear in their attribution of Raja to Baysan, in Palestine" Rabbat, Nasser (1993), "The Dome of the Rock Revisited: Some Remarks on al-Wasiti's Accounts". p. 74.

5x expanded by Al Ameer son (talk). Self-nominated at 17:46, 23 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article is new enough (recent 5x expansion), long enough, neutral, and well referenced. Hook is interesting and supported by offline sources, accepted AGF. No copyvio detected. Awaiting QPQ. -Zanhe (talk) 04:29, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Zanhe: Sorry for the long delay and thanks for the review, the QPQ is done. —Al Ameer (talk) 02:24, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Robert Michaelis

 
Michaelis as Prince Danilo in The Merry Widow

Created by Moonraker (talk). Self-nominated at 05:46, 19 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Where is the source of his birth and death date ? RRD (talk) 04:57, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I think I must have picked them up from the Kurt Gänzl page, but I have reorganized the footnotes to provide a citation for both, please see note 1, Royroydeb. Moonraker (talk) 06:43, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Arizona Miner

Created by MB (talk). Self-nominated at 00:41, 19 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article is new enough, long enough, is neutral and generally well sourced. It relies heavily on the Library of Congress' article on the newspaper, a reliable source, but at times copies too much directly from the article - Earwig's copyvio detector shows the problematic sections. There are also a few direct quotes which do not make clear who is being quoted - it appears the quote is from the cited publication, rather than an individual, so would be better reworded to reduce the concerns about similarity. The hook is interesting and appropriate, but it appears that McCormick was not strictly Secretary of State, but held the equivalent position of Territorial Secretary - this could easily be reworded. QPQ has been completed. Warofdreams talk 12:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Warofdreams, I ran Earwig again with the direct quotes removed and it says "violation unlikely". I don't see anything else of concern - a few sentence fragments here and there.
The second quote "combative and racist perspective that made itself known through his often aggressive and biting criticism of others" is from the LOC article and is attributed, by the citation, to the article (not to any individual).
The third quote, within this sentence: Marion intended the Miner to be both "The Official Paper of Arizona" and an "Organ of the White People of Arizona." are the words of author Lyon and the quote is cited to his book.
The first quote comes from this: "According to William H. Lyon in Those Old Yellow Dog Days: Frontier Journalism in Arizona, 1859-1912, McCormick established the paper as 'the creature of the new territorial government.'" I'm not sure from this if "the creature of the new territorial government" was said by McCormick (maybe) or Lyon (probably). I'm not going to make an assumption. If a reader wants to know more they would have to obtain Lyon's book (which is the citation).
So I don't really see anything that needs to be changed. MB 03:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Naoyuki Ōi

Moved to mainspace by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 12:23, 18 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 19Edit

Wildlife of Uganda, Ugandan kob, Ugandan mangabey, Ugandan musk shrew

 
Female and calf

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 12:48, 25 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   @Cwmhiraeth:, are you able to provide a link to the review for "Priya Anand (voice actress)"? I cannot locate it. Flibirigit (talk) 16:20, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: I'm not sure about Priya Anand (voice actress), which is ineligible, and rather than waste time sorting out what happened, I have done another review and listed it above. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:56, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  Doing... Great, thanks. I will start reviewing the articles, and hopefully be done by the end of the weekend. Flibirigit (talk) 03:40, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
@Flibirigit: Thanks. My understanding is that in a multiple article DYK nomination there is no necessity for one of the articles to mention all the others, and in this case, although I could link Ugandan musk shrew in the main article (Uganda has 345 recorded mammals), there is no necessity to do so as long as the shrew's article states that it occurs in Uganda, which it does. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:24, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  It appears we are going to disagree on citing the hook. I will let another reviewer continue. Flibirigit (talk) 15:25, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Atascadero Printery

  • ... that the Atascadero Printery, established by Edward Gardner Lewis, housed the first rotogravure printing press in the Western United States? The sources vary, as stated and sourced in the article. One says first in the US while the other says in the western half. I thought best to go with the conservative of the two for the hook. [30]

Created by Killiondude (talk). Self-nominated at 22:44, 24 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 21Edit

National Peasants' Party

 
1933 logo of the National Peasants' Party
  • ... that members of the National Peasants' Party (logo pictured) were the second-largest political group of Romania's anti-communist resistance, behind independents? Roland Clark, Sfîntă tinerețe legionară. Activismul fascist în România interbelică, pp. 250–251. Iași: Polirom, 2015; Eusebiu Narai, Situația politică în județele Caraș și Severin: (1944–1948), p. 61. Timișoara: Editura Mirton, 2008. ISBN 978-973-52-0457-0
    • ALT1:... that despite a ban on the National Peasants' Party (logo pictured) being effective on this day in 1947, members continued to organize in the Romanian underground and attempted to run in a 1985 election? Adela Șerban, "Controversial Issues Regarding Resistance and Dissidence in Romania (1945–1989)", in Romanian Journal of Sociology, Issues 1–2, 2009, p. 120
  • Reviewed: Samuel Adalberg
  • Comment: Please consider keeping this for July 29, the day of the party's banning.

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 13:40, 24 June 2019 (UTC).

Oregon House Bill 2020

  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: The situation isn't resolved yet, so this count may change and there might be new hooks added at a later date.

Created by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 07:29, 23 June 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited:  Y
  • Interesting:  N - biased hooks, see comment
  • Other problems:  N - It is this reviewer's view that the hooks advocate one side of the issue over the other side of the issue, as such it should not be approved.

QPQ:  N - Not done

Overall:   Please see WP:DYKNOT:

A means of advertising, or of promoting commercial or political causes. While it is fine to cover topics of commercial or political interest, DYK must not provide inappropriate advantage for such causes (e.g. during election campaigns or product launches).


I believe that the author of this article is well intentioned but given the topic is a current political controversy, it shouldn't be approved. RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 01:23, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

I have to disagree with the assessment of this article and entry as promoting a political cause. It's reporting on the contents of the bill and its relation with the walkout (which is covered in its own article) and doesn't really have enough detail at the moment to have a substantial lean in either direction. SounderBruce 05:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
I also disagree. The hooks are entirely factual and one need not commit bothsidesism to be neutral, they do not advocate for anything. The article is well sourced and not promotional, and that is malfeasance to disapprove due to it being a "controversy", this certainly not being in the middle of a campaign. Reywas92Talk 18:19, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Parapivot

  • ... that the nine balls of Parapivot come from nine countries? Source: "The smoothly polished stones are sourced from nine different countries, ranging from Brazil to Norway, and their variations in color suggest the atmospheres of our celestial neighbors, as well as Earth’s own blue-marble appearance. " [31]
    • ALT1:... that one of the balls in Parapivot is 1.6 tons? Source: "The 40-year-old, who is based in Berlin, has created “ParaPivot,” a massive metallic framework dotted with nine marble and granite spheres, one of which weighs 1.6 tons." [32]

Created by StudiesWorld (talk). Self-nominated at 14:10, 21 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 22Edit

Unfathomable Ruination

Created/expanded by Thrashbandicoot01 (talk). Self-nominated at 23:12, 24 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article is in date, but there are significant problems beyond that. The article is tagged as an orphan, but more importantly, as possibly failing the GNG, which I would tend to agree with. It would need more sources to make a claim of notability. As it stands there are just three. One doesn't open for me, the other is a listing in a music compiliation site. The Independent reference says that the air-tight box is something they were going to do (in 2014), but doesn't confirm that they actually did do it. Also states that the plan, at least, was for them to play until the air ran low, and then release them, not until they ran out of oxygen. The wiki article has only 329 characters of prose, well short of the 1,500 minimum, and is a bare stub. No indication of current activity beyond a 2016 album. Spokoyni (talk) 14:58, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Comment – The article is presently nominated for deletion at AfD. North America1000 03:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 23Edit

Love Not Money

  • ... that Love Not Money is the most overtly-politicised album recorded by the British band Everything but the Girl? Source:"Tracey:"It's our most overtly-politicized set of lyrics—some good, some a bit crass". [33]
    • ALT1:... that themes of British band Everything but the Girl's 1985 album Love Not Money include sexism, social and economic stratification, and The Troubles in Northern Ireland? Source: "They also upped the ante in their songwriting, tackling a range of issues from the Irish troubles to the troubles of movie star Frances Farmer, with lots of criticism of the stratification and sexism of the current social and economic system thrown in." [34]
    • ALT2:... that a reviewer described the song "Sean" from British band Everything but the Girl's 1985 album Love Not Money as "Celtic kitsch" that is "so ham-fisted you'll cringe"? Source: "The murky, cavernous stuff assumes that droning on depressively is the best way to handle weighty topics, and some of the new touches, like the Celtic kitsch of "Sean", with ultra-kitschy tin flute, are so ham-fisted you'll cringe." [[35]]

5x expanded by Baffle gab1978 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:33, 27 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   The article has been expanded enough, is long enough, and has no copyright violations. The Track listing section and its subsections plus the Personnel section needs to be referenced. SL93 (talk) 02:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • A QPQ is also required. SL93 (talk) 03:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, @SL93:, I'll take a look at this and fix the refs in the next few days. This is my first DYK nom; the list you link is articles I've copy-edited for others, so I'm not sure why I'm credited there! I'm a little busy IRL so I'll do a review in a few days. I don't have a specific date for this nom in mind, so it can wait. :) Cheers, Baffle☿gab 05:55, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Willard H. George

  • ... that Hollywood furrier Willard H. George designed for Lucille Ball, Greta Garbo and Rita Hayworth? Source: "The scrapbooks feature actresses from Hollywood, California wearing furs designed and created by furrier Willard H. George. Actresses of note include Lucille Ball, Rita Hayworth, and Greta Garbo" ([36])
    • ALT1:... that Hollywood furrier Willard H. George was known as "the chinchilla industry's greatest friend"? Source: "The Willard H. George Co. Furriers store at 3330 Wilshire Boulevard (photographed here in 1931) was an art deco dream. He really took his furs seriously, especially Chinchilla. He was deemed “The Chinchilla Industry’s Greatest Friend” because he developed the first nationally used grading system for Chinchillas, which was formally adopted by the National Chinchilla Breeders Board in 1947" ([37])

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 10:28, 26 June 2019 (UTC).

Being Impossible, Patricia Ortega

 
Ortega in 2017
  • ... that Venezuelan director Patricia Ortega (pictured) learned that her film Being Impossible had been selected for South by Southwest just as the 2019 Venezuelan presidential crisis started? Source: "Interviewer: What were you doing when you found out you were coming to SXSW? PA: This is a good question! When I received the beautiful news that we had been selected to SXSW, in Venezuela, Juan Guaidó ends up proclaiming himself president of transition in my country." (SXSW)
    • ALT1:... that though Venezuelan director Patricia Ortega's (pictured) first feature film saw wide release in her home country, her more successful second feature, Being Impossible, has yet to be released there? Source: two, Ortega article "Career"

Created by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 08:00, 23 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 24Edit

Harry Buckwitz

 
Städtische Bühnen Frankfurt
  • Reviewed: Guðrún Björnsdóttir
  • Comment: The building was opened during his tenure, instead of the opera house and play house destroyed in the war. - Sorry for a day late.

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:02, 2 July 2019 (UTC).

Wibke Bruhns

 
Wibke Bruhns in 2012
  • ... that Wibke Bruhns (pictured), the first woman presenting news on German television, was a correspondent for Stern in Jerusalem, and wrote the biography of her father who was executed by the Nazis? Source: several
  • Reviewed: Jan Gralewski (courier)
  • Comment: She is best known for having been the first female TV news presenter but hated to be reduced to that, so please let's not do it here again. - If time permits, I'll get more over from German, but I have a rather urgent GA project and am behind. - Perhaps the pic could be cropped, David?

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:09, 1 July 2019 (UTC).

Jan Gralewski (courier)

  • ... that the death of Polish philosopher and WWII resistance member Jan Gralewski is surrounded in controversy? Source:multiple sources
    • ALT1:... that Jan Gralewski, Polish philosopher and WWII resistance member, died in the controversial 1943 Gibraltar B-24 crash? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 05:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC).

  Interesting, strangle death more than life, on good sources, Polish sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. None of the hooks works, sorry, the first is too general, the other not certain. I am sure you can word in an ALT2 that the fact of ALT1 is questioned by historians. I shouldn't word it, or can't also approve. I made minor changes to the article, please check. I never need more than 3 refs for one fact ;) - How do you feel about an infobox? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't think that the main hook is 'too general', but here are few more ALTs, but I am a bit uneasy about giving undue weight to what are, in essence, conspiracy theories repeated by minor historians. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:40, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

(if someone was to create the article on his wife we could have a double DYK, also @SusunW:)

Zhang Xu (neuroscientist)

Created by Zanhe (talk). Self-nominated at 06:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC).

Equestrian Portrait of Cornelis and Michiel Pompe van Meerdervoort with Their Tutor and Coachman

 
the painting

Created by StudiesWorld (talk). Nominated by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) at 17:54, 24 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Thanks for nominating this, CAPTAIN MEDUSA. I was just in the process and would be happy to provide the QPQ, if you would like. StudiesWorld (talk) 18:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
StudiesWorld, it's up to you. I don't mind.___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 18:05, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
CAPTAIN MEDUSA, I already did one, so I've added it. Thanks for writing a nice hook! StudiesWorld (talk) 18:07, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Tidied up the hook - this is not a review. Johnbod (talk) 14:12, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Patricia Mayorga

Created by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk). Nominated by HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) at 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 25Edit

Ryan Ashley Malarkey

  • Reviewed: TBD

Improved to Good Article status by Lee Vilenski (talk). Nominated by Trillfendi (talk) at 20:03, 28 June 2019 (UTC).

  • Disclaimer - I did the GA review, not actually improved the article to GA. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 13:30, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
@Lee Vilenski: Ah, true, I misread that. Trillfendi (talk) 13:48, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 26Edit

Anna B. Eckstein

 
Anna Eckstein in Vienna in 1911
  • ... that Anna Eckstein (pictured) dressed in white and collected six million signatures to promote peace before the First World War?

Created by Jaspedia (talk), Victuallers (talk), Oronsay (talk), and Blythwood (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 15:08, 27 June 2019 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

QPQ: Done.

Overall:   Some paragraphs uncited, as well as the later life and death section. No paragraph or section should end without a citation. Please verify all content with in-line citations so that the maintenance tag can be removed and the DYK approved.

Articles created/expanded on June 27Edit

Warming stripes

 
Warming stripes for 1850-2018
  • ... that to portray global warming to non-scientists, a British climate scientist invented a warming stripes graphic (pictured) showing historical global temperatures using only colored stripes? Source: https://earther.gizmodo.com/this-climate-visualization-belongs-in-a-damn-museum-1826307536 "Ed Hawkins, the climate scientist who made the viral temperature spirals, is back at it again with another striking view of our warming planet. His latest visualization strips out all unnecessary information save color to communicate how we’re changing the temperature of the Earth." Also, the article quotes Hawkins: "I wanted to communicate temperature changes in a way that was simple and intuitive, removing all the distractions of standard climate graphics so that the long-term trends and variations in temperature are crystal clear." and https://www.sciencealert.com/this-has-got-to-be-one-of-the-most-beautiful-and-powerful-climate-change-visuals-we-ve-ever-seen "For the average person, climate change is an abstract concept, an intangible truth, based on complex scientific data that is notoriously difficult to visualize. Climate scientist Ed Hawkins ... has been developing unique ways to make climate change easier for the general public to imagine. ... The arresting image removes all the scientific accessories, leaving only a color scale to represent an overall change of 1.35 degrees Celsius." Also, the article quotes Hawkins: "I wanted to communicate temperature changes in a way that was simple and intuitive, removing all the distractions of standard climate graphics so that the long-term trends and variations in temperature are crystal clear."

Created by RCraig09 (talk). Nominated by Valereee (talk) at 10:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC).

Samragyee RL Shah

  • Reviewed: soon

5x expanded by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 12:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC).

Alejandro Finocchiaro

 
Alejandro Finocchiaro in 2018
  • ... that Argentina's Education Minister Alejandro Finocchiaro (pictured) compared the "Cuban regime to Nazism" and called Che Guevara a "criminal and genocider"? Source: ""¿Qué diferencias hay entonces entre el régimen cubano y el nazi?" (What differences are between the Cuban regime and Nazism?). --- and --- "Estaba fusilando prisioneros en un acto criminal, genocida" (He was executing prisoners in a criminal act, genocidal) (Clarín)

Created by LLcentury (talk). Self-nominated at 19:18, 27 June 2019 (UTC).

  • No, I'm sorry, this is really, really not what we could reasonably describe as 'neutral'. DS (talk) 00:21, 23 July 2019 (UTC) -->

Articles created/expanded on June 28Edit

Anke Sieloff

Moved to mainspace by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 12:50, 4 July 2019 (UTC).

Yifat Bitton

 
Prof. Bitton

Created by Hydromania (talk). Self-nominated at 08:26, 3 July 2019 (UTC).

Guineo-Congolian region, Brachystegia laurentii, Julbernardia seretii, Michelsonia, Gilbertiodendron dewevrei

Created/expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 07:33, 2 July 2019 (UTC).

Q35 (New York City bus)

  • Reviewed: QPQ pending

Created by Tdorante10 (talk) and Kew Gardens 613 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 00:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC).

  • @Epicgenius: New enough, long enough. Hook is interesting and cited (source 32 for ALT0, the above for ALT1). Quite the article on one bus route! Good pending QPQ. Raymie (tc) 22:02, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on June 29Edit

Gara Medouar, Tasghîmût, Paul Pascon

  • ... that the set for The Mummy (1999) was built at Gara Medouar, an 11th-c fortress on a rock plateau near Sijilmassa, Morocco (which resembles the 12th-c fortress Tasghîmût near Marrakesh), and the fortress was studied by Paul Pascon, a pied-noir who adopted the Moroccan nationality? Source: [41] (forts and film); [42] (nationality)
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Created by Drmies (talk). Self-nominated at 15:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Note: I am in conversation with Dr. Capel, author of the main source for the article, about getting permission to use her photographs. They are SPECTACULAR. Drmies (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Kerstin von Lingen

  • ... that Kerstin von Lingen wrote her Ph.D. thesis on the war crimes trial of Field Marshal Albert Kesselring? Source: "1999-2001: wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin im SFB 437 "Kriegserfahrungen" in Tübingen, Thema: "Konstruktion von Kriegserfahrung. Der Prozess gegen Feldmarschall Albert Kesselring vor einem britischen Militärgericht". 2002-2003: Abschluß der Promotion, Rigorosum 29.7.2003" [43]

Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:34, 29 June 2019 (UTC).

Charles Lyon Chandler

  • ... that Charles Lyon Chandler's biography of Joel Roberts Poinsett went unpublished after two others came out the same year? Source: "Chandler and Pratt raced to finish their biography in 1935, but J. Fred Rippy beat them by publishing his Poinsett biography first. Shortly thereafter Herbert E. Putnam published an account of Poinsett's diplomatic career. ... Chandler's attempts to have his biography published by Princeton and Harvard University Presses were unsuccessful due to the glutted market." Avenius, "Charles Lyon Chandler", p. 177.

Created by Kim Post (talk). Self-nominated at 17:48, 29 June 2019 (UTC).

Momoyo Koyama

  • ... that stage actress Momoyo Koyama decided to take up voice acting upon hearing of a stage director's surprise that she had not done so? Source: [44] (小山:セーラームーンの舞台でお世話になっていた演出家の方が、「声優に向いてるんじゃない?」って言ってくださったからです。たぶんご本人は覚えていないと思うんですけど(笑)。保育園の頃にセーラームーンのミュージカルに出会って、私も出演したい!と思った時から、10年以上その目標に向かってレッスンしてきたんです。だから、舞台を卒業する時、その後に何をしたらいいのかわからなくなって…。お芝居をやめてまったく違う道を歩もうかと思ったこともあったんですけど。)
    • ALT1:... after dreaming of appearing in a Sailor Moon stage play since early childhood, Momoyo Koyama was cast as Sailor Mercury in a theatrical production of the series in 2014? Source: same as ALT0

Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on June 30Edit

Nain Jaune

 
A Nain Jaune board with the Yellow Dwarf depicted in the centre.
  • ... that the classic French game of Nain Jaune is named after Seven of Diamonds which is depicted as a yellow dwarf on the game board (pictured)?
    Source: "Ce jeu peut occuper à la fois cinq personnes et s'appelle le Nain Jaune, qui est le nom qu'on donne au sept de carreau." (L'AVANTCOUREUR, lundi 27 octobre 1760 (n° 41) at academiedesjeux.jeuxsoc.fr) and "The True Story of the Game of "Nain Jaune"...This game was initially called "Baby Dwarf " or "Dwarf ", then it was exported to the capital where it depicted a Dwarf dressed in crazy clothes with bells or a little bald man in yellow outfit with his sword (which never left him) at his side, without any particular connexion being made with "Bebé", but definitely given the name of "Yellow Dwarf"." in Theimer, François (2006). “Nain Jaune” in l'Escale à Jeux.

Created by Bermicourt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:12, 30 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Date, size, neutrality, copyvio spotcheck, all ok. But the hook does not appear to be mentioned anywhere in the article? Please add it to the article and ping me back. Also waiting for QPQ review. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:24, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks, @Piotrus: that's now done. I've added the hook to the article, fully cited, and completed the above QPQ. Bermicourt (talk) 15:36, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Piotrus: If you are happy with this now, please give it a tick of approval. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:31, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Nicholas Emery

Created by Alphalfalfa (talk). Self-nominated at 17:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Unfortunately, this article is neither new nor expanded 5x. On June 12, its size was 1,835 bytes and its current size is 6,045 bytes. Almost the entire byte size of the article is prose. Therefore, without further expansion, this article is ineligible. Ergo Sum 17:30, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
  Considering it seems relatively close to hitting 5x (it only needs an additional amount of bytes), I'd say we could probably give the nomination another chance. Also note that as far as I'm aware, the 5x requirement actually refers to prose content, not byte content. Prior to the nom's first edit, the article was at around 500 characters; it's at around the 2100 mark. Thus, the article only needs about 400 characters more to be eligible. With that said, the nom hasn't been active since the day after the nomination, so if this is to proceed, the remaining expansion needs to be done as soon as possible. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:41, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
  Marking again for closure. The nominator has not edited since the day of the nomination and has been unable to return despite a talk page message. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

2004 24 Hours of Le Mans

5x expanded by MWright96 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:21, 30 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Will be claiming this for review; full review to follow soon. So far looks good, don't really see any important parts that are unsourced. Among the hooks, the best ones are probably ALT2 and ALT3, but I think we just recently had a Le Mans-related hook about renewable fuel so ALT2 may end up being the best option at this point. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:23, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Eduard Müller (Austrian politician)

 
Austrian Minister of Finance Eduard Müller
  • ... that in 2001 Eduard Müller (pictured) was tasked with reforming the Ministry of Finance which he now heads? Source: [45]: "Er war von 2001 bis 2005 als Projektleiter für die Reform der Finanzverwaltung" ("He was from 2001 to 2005 the project leader for the reform of the Ministry of Finance") He's now obviously Minister of Finance.
  • Reviewed: Pending
  • Comment: This was translated from the German Wikipedia. I'm fine if we don't use the image, I just rarely write articles that have reasonable images and didn't want to miss my chance to use that parameter.

Created by Wugapodes (talk). Self-nominated at 06:34, 30 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   I wonder if either the hook could be reworded or if a new hook should be proposed, as right now ALT0 isn't really eyecatching or spectacular. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:02, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that Austrian Finance Minister Eduard Müller (pictured) isn't the only politician in his family? Source: [46] "Eduard Müller ist der Bruder des amtierenden Bürgermeisters von Weiden bei Rechnitz Wilhelm Müller." ("Eduard Mueller is the brother of the acting mayor of Weiden by Rechnitz, Wilhelm Mueller"0
What about this one? I think it's a bit better. Wugapodes [thɑk] [ˈkan.ˌʧɹɪbz] 06:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
It could work, but it needs additional context. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 06:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   @Wugapodes: This article is new enough and long enough. The image is suitably licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. I am not impressed with ALT1 considering that the only other politician in his family seems to be mayor of Weiden bei Rechnitz, a town with 969 residents at the last census. I suggest ALT2. A QPQ still needs to be done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:24, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT2 ... that the new Austrian Finance Minister, Eduard Müller (pictured), started his career as a tax inspector?
ALT2 sounds good, but it might need to be rephrased slightly. Like instead of "started his career as a tax inspector", something like "first job was a tax inspector" or wording to that effect. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Social media addiction

 
People walking with smartphones

5x expanded by E.3 (talk). Self-nominated at 15:28, 28 June 2019 (UTC).

  •   Comment:The article was expanded from a stub by using content from other pre-existing articles. That content counts towards the original prose, not the expansion. As such, the article hasn't had 5x expansion in any one week period in the last two months. This is my first review a review that's been withdrawn by the reviewer ( on 18 July), and a second opinion would be welcome. Usedtobecool ✉️  22:05, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment: whilst there is some content from other articles during the expansion the bulk of it was new text. --[E.3][chat2][me] 09:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Usedtobecool, a rough count before 28 June shows some 1800 characters, and the current (rough) count is a little over 11,000. How new content comes into a specific article is less important than that it's new to the article, although some may quibble over that, but it's also worth noting that in this edit, the very first addition which had some content from another article, much of the content is references and thus doesn't count toward the prose. So I don't agree that there's a problem here. Drmies (talk) 20:50, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I would like to clarify that I wasn't being callous, but only trying to be extremely thorough as a total newb. I counted prose before expansion at ~1800, prose after addition from other articles at ~4400, and the final prose at ~12,000. Referring to the review guide that said it must be expanded fivefold as if the copied text had been a pre-existing article, I had no choice but to come to the conclusion I shared. But, when Drmies says it's just a quibble, that's good enough for me. Usedtobecool ✉️  13:13, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 1Edit

Kim Kardashian, Superstar

  • Reviewed: soon

Created by Vistadan (talk). Nominated by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) at 14:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   The archived hiphoppress.com source seems historically valuable (within the context of Kim Kardashian's life story), but I doubt we can take its claims at face value. The source is a press release by Vivid Entertainment published on hiphoppress.com, with the site acting as a newswire. Vivid, of course, acquired and distributed the tape, making them a primary (and likely unreliable) source. There is also conflicting information: per the article, Ian Halperin has alleged that Kim and her mother leaked the tape to Vivid, which sounds like it conflicts with Vivid's narrative of purchasing it from a third party.
So we have two apparently conflicting versions of events: either a third party sold the tape to Vivid for a million dollars, or the Kardashians leaked it to Vivid themselves. Both versions of events are disputed. I don't know what the basis for Halperin's claims are, but I know Vivid is not a disinterested secondary source—they're an involved party with a likely conflict of interest. I think it would be better to develop an alternate hook, and the article itself could be bulked up with more info. For instance, I imagine there are sources out there providing details about the tape's commercial success? —BLZ · talk 00:12, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
A drive-by comment, but I strongly suggest that the hook be reworded due to BLP concerns, and also because Wikipedia is not a tabloid. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 03:37, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
What do you propose the hook be changed to? I've added an alt that changes "sex tape" to "pornographic film" if that was the BLP concern? Vistadan 14:05, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
I suppose that might be a better option, but it might still be too "tabloidy" for my tastes. Pinging reviewer Brandt Luke Zorn for their thoughts. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:05, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
I think using the term "sex tape" is probably OK, honestly. It may sound colloquial or even inappropriate, but it does accurately describe the contents or "genre" of the tape, since "celebrity sex tape" is its own distinct category of porn. "Pornographic film", on the other hand, may sound more formal but is starched of all meaning and specificity. Plus it may even misleadingly suggest that the tape was made in a "professional" production context, which could be a BLP concern in the opposite direction: a "pornographic film" is filmed with the intention that it will be distributed, and we don't want to suggest that a video filmed in a private setting was professionally "produced" (it wasn't) or that it was planned to be distributed at the time of filming (it doesn't seem that way, but that's apparently in dispute at the least).
My issue is more about the questionable grounding of the "fact" in the hook. It's not wrong to say, in the article, that Vivid claimed to have paid $1 million for the tape. It's true that they made that claim, and the cited press release is adequate . But there is a dispute about what really happened (according to the Halperin book, anyway), and the hook relies on a primary source from an involved party with a conflict-of-interest as to how the events are represented, i.e., the press release is not an objective secondhand account of "what really happened". Based on the various sources in the article at the moment and the conflicting accounts, I would not be comfortable using any fact about what happened leading up to the tape's distribution.
On the other hand, I'm not sure which alternate "fact" from the article I would choose for a hook at present. What I do suspect is that the article subject matter is big enough that it could be expanded. It is, after all, one of the most notorious videos of the last 20 years, and one that eventually propelled Kim to an almost unprecedented level of superstardom in the history of celebrity culture. It's been discussed and written about endlessly, which means there must be a sturdier fact out that could be used. For example, just off the top of my head as a Kanye fan, I recall that his line "My girl a superstar all from a home movie" from "Clique" is an allusion to the tape (see e.g. [50]). I'm sure Kanye's mentioned it elsewhere, whether in his lyrics or in interviews or both. There's also Ray J's "I Hit It First". Neither of those songs are mentioned in this article, which means there's more to talk about and more that could be used as a hook out there. —BLZ · talk 20:08, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Nicolas Joel

  • Reviewed: Lloyd Pollock
  • Comment: beginning a career with that piece is highly unusual, - better wording appreciated

Moved to mainspace by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC).

John Deane (sailor)

  • ... that John Deane and his crew of the Nottingham Galley cannibalised in desperation the ship's deceased carpenter when the ship wrecked on Boon Island in 1710?
    • ALT1:... that the British sailor and diplomat John Deane, was accused of accepting a considerable bribe in exchange for the surrender of the two Swedish vessels whilst captaining a Russian Navy frigate, with his initial sentence reduced by Peter the Great and further exonerated by Fyodor Apraksin?

Created by D.j.atherton (talk). Self-nominated at 11:28, 4 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 2Edit

Mary Robinson Foster

 
Mary Robinson Foster

Created by MurielMary (talk). Nominated by SL93 (talk) at 02:15, 7 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   Both hooks are good; ALT1 is verified to an online source, assuming good faith for ALT0 source. Both are acceptable but ALT0 is probably the more appealing of of the two. No major close paraphrasing done, a QPQ was provided, the article was long enough and new enough. My only concern is that the part that goes "Her mother was part-French, part-Hawaiian and a descendant of ali‘i (chiefs) from Maui and Hawai‘i Island. Her father was a British..." seems to be a close paraphrase of one of the sources. Once this is resolved this will be good to go. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Terry Dempsey (songwriter)

  • ... that Terry Dempsey was a South African songwriter whose songs reached number one in South Africa, the United Kingdom, France, Canada and Australia?
    • ALT1:... that Terry Dempsey, a songwriter who wrote David Cassidy's number one song "Daydreamer", was killed in a freak gyrocopter accident?

Created/expanded by Gbawden (talk). Self-nominated at 09:50, 19 February 2019 (UTC).

  • Note: this was a nomination that wasn't transcluded when it was first created back in February of this year. I recently discovered it in my periodic checks of untranscluded noms, and Gbawden was still interested in pursuing it (and has other currently active nominations), so I'm placing it under July 2, the day they confirmed their interest. The nomination's newness should be based on the February 19 nomination date. I have formatted the two hooks per DYK style; I am wondering, however, whether ALT1 would be appropriate given that Dempsey died in February, so BLP applies; not sure whether the details of the death should be included.
  •   Reviewer needed to do a normal review of this nomination. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

El héroe

Created by Cocu15 (talk). Self-nominated at 22:26, 2 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 3Edit

Ich steh vor dir mit leeren Händen, Herr

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:08, 10 July 2019 (UTC).

Robert Michael Forde

 
Trypanosoma parasites in blood

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 11:25, 8 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   The article needs to cite the specific page(s) of the Baker 1995 article (I assume p. 5 for the sentence corresponding to the hook). The hook probably also needs a small rewrite, because it's currently ambiguous and might imply that Forde discovered that they were the causes of sleeping sickness, which seems to be incorrect according to the sources. I would suggest something like, "... that Robert Michael Forde made the first observation of Trypanosoma parasites (pictured), the causes of sleeping sickness, in human beings?" Otherwise this seems good: Created (and expanded) within 7 days of nomination and article is long enough and adequately sourced. I corrected some small issues with style. The image is PD and good quality. No issues on Earwig. —Nizolan (talk) 00:18, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Abolition of the Caliphate

 
Report of the abolition in The Times of London
 
"The Last Caliph", March 1924

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Self-nominated at 00:46, 3 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   There is problematic copying from at least one source -- see Earwig query. Please address this and ensure that there is no similar copying from offline sources. I confirmed that the article is new enough, is long enough, and appears to have no POV problems. The hook is a little boring/incomprehensible. I'd suggest something like... Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Alt 1: ... that the abolition of the Caliphate was designed to modernize the Republic of Turkey?
Hi @Calliopejen1:
  • The text flagged by earwig was added in this edit, attributed to other wikipedia articles including Ottoman Caliphate. The blog that earwig brings up was written in 2017, but the lines highlighted in earwig were clearly taken by the blogger from our articles. See for example this 2005 version of our Ottoman Caliphate article: “Initially, the National Assembly seemed willing to allow a place for the Caliphate in the new regime, agreeing to the appointment of Mehmed’s cousin Abdul Mejid II as Caliph upon Mehmed’s departure. But the position had been stripped of any authority, and Abdul Mejid’s purely ceremonial reign would be short lived.” versus the 2017 blog “Initially, the National Assembly seemed willing to allow a place for the Caliphate in the new regime, agreeing to the appointment of Mehmed's cousin Abdülmecid II as Caliph upon Sultan Mehmet's departure. But the position had been stripped of any authority, and Abdülmecid's purely ceremonial reign would be short lived.”
  • The phrase “Abolition of the Caliphate” almost always refers to this topic, because other caliphates were not “abolished” (they ended in different ways). A search of google books confirms this. And all the four other language wikipedias use the same formulation for their article titles for this topic.
Onceinawhile (talk) 18:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks re: the Earwig text. I guess the only potential issue then is how you count content that has been copied from other Wikipedia articles, because it looks like this article is largely an edited pastiche of content from elsewhere on Wikipedia. I'll defer to someone more knowledgeable about DYK rules for that. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:52, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks @Calliopejen1: Per criteria 2b: ”DYK articles may freely reuse public domain text per Wikipedia's usual policy, with proper attribution. However, because the emphasis at DYK is on new and original content, text copied verbatim from public domain sources, or which closely paraphrases such sources, is excluded both from the 1,500 minimum character count for new articles, and from the ×5 expansion count for ×5 expanded articles.” So it’s allowed, but it doesn’t count towards the 1,500 limit.
Also what do you think of this hook and second alternative image I just added above:
Onceinawhile (talk) 19:07, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Is there 1500 chars of new content though? The diff where you added the old content seemed to be the vast majority of the article. Re: alt 2, it's better than the original, though confusing (even in the article itself) because it's not clear how/why people are vying for a position that doesn't exist. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:14, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
@Calliopejen1: The whole lead, the last two paragraphs of Aftermath, and the two image captions are completely new and by my count add up to just over 1500 characters.
On Alt2, how about “vied unsuccessfully to resurrect the title for themselves”. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:09, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Okay, those add up to 1500 characters. I like that new proposal better but "the title" doesn't have an antecedent. How about....
  • Alt 3 that after the 1924 abolition of the Caliphate numerous kings, princes, and imams vied unsuccessfully to resurrect the title of caliph for themselves?
Where in the sources cited does it mention princes? I'm not immediately seeing it. Once that's cleared up, I think we're good to go. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:38, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
@Calliopejen1: It was my editorial license, since our article on Amanullah Khan says he was a prince until 1926. But I have read a little more and come up with a more precise version of the same:
  • Alt 4 that after the 1924 abolition of the Caliphate numerous pan-Islamic conferences failed to find consensus as to which country's leader should resurrect the title of caliph?
This is more reflective of how it actually happened, and I think is more interesting. What do you think? Onceinawhile (talk) 08:36, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Shirley Chisholm State Park

  • ... that New York City's 407-acre (165 ha) Shirley Chisholm State Park, named after the first black Congresswoman in the U.S., is built on a landfill? Source: NY Daily News
    • ALT1:... that New York City's 407-acre (165 ha) Shirley Chisholm State Park, named after the United States' first black Congresswoman, is built on a landfill? Source: NY Daily News
  • Reviewed: QPQ pending
  • Comment: Only the first three sentences of "Development" are copied from another article. The rest of the content was never in article space, but much of it was in Tdorante10's sandbox.

Created by Queens Historian (talk), Tdorante10 (talk), and Epicgenius (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 22:49, 3 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 4Edit

John Pierce (tenor)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:34, 11 July 2019 (UTC).

Jewish Democratic Committee

  • ... that the Jewish Democratic Committee and the Romanian Communist Party colluded to send indoctrinated Romanian Jews into Israel, in the hope that they would influence Israeli policies? Source: Oțoiu, pp. 202–203; Lazăr, p. 197 also mentions a transport of communist-indoctrinated Romanian Jews
    • ALT1:... that anti-Zionism as espoused by the Jewish Democratic Committee was "unacceptable for a majority of Jews in Romania", leading some of its own members to apply for emigration to Israel? Source: Quote in Bottoni, p. 268; one example of Committee leaders (in Suceava County) applying for emigration is in Lazăr, pp. 207–208
    • ALT2:... that the Jewish Democratic Committee went from embracing a Labor Zionist wing in 1945 to organizing a pro-communist clampdown on Labor Zionism in 1949? Source: For the full list of Labor Zionist groups admitted into the Committee in 1945, see Crăciun, p. 176; for the sharing of an electoral ticket with Labor Zionists, see Nastasă, p. 181; for the clampdown, see Kuller, pp. 144–145

5x expanded by Dahn (talk). Self-nominated at 20:50, 7 July 2019 (UTC).

Dardanus deformis

 
Dardanus deformis
  • ... that Dardanus deformis (pictured) is one of at least 24 species of hermit crab that transfer over sea anemones to a new shell? Source: "At least 24 hermit crab species have the ability to transfer sea anemones to a new shell at shell change" ([53])

Created by SL93 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:25, 4 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 5Edit

MDR Rundfunkchor

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:27, 12 July 2019 (UTC).

Greater Egyptian gerbil, Lesser Egyptian gerbil

  • ... that despite their names, the greater Egyptian gerbil and the lesser Egyptian gerbil are found across the whole of North Africa? Source: "This species is found in the Nile valley and oases of Egypt and northern Sudan. From Sudan, it ranges westwards through Chad and Niger to Mali, and Mauritania." and "Range: Algeria; Chad; Egypt; Israel; Jordan; Libya; Mali; Mauritania; Morocco; Niger; Sudan; Tunisia; Western Sahara"

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:31, 10 July 2019 (UTC).

Northwestern Pacific Railroad interurban lines

Created by Pi.1415926535 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:54, 9 July 2019 (UTC).

Azar v. Allina Health Services

Created by DannyS712 (talk). Self-nominated at 20:19, 5 July 2019 (UTC).

1919 Norfolk race riot

Created by Thats Just Great (talk). Self-nominated at 18:34, 5 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 6Edit

Maputaland-Pondoland-Albany Hotspot, Encephalartos natalensis, Allophylus natalensis

Created/expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 06:22, 12 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 7Edit

Immortal Bach

 
Knut Nystedt in 2007

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:51, 13 July 2019 (UTC).

Gerda Hofstatter

Expanded by Lee Vilenski (talk). Self-nominated at 09:08, 7 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article was expanded fivefold within the last seven days, is over the required prose size and has no copyvio concerns. The hooks are interesting and have an inline citation to a seemingly reliable source. QPQ has also been covered. A little concern over the image though, the information is a little vague and I notice on the history that six months ago a user posted an edit summary of "I am the copyright owner of this image - not sure how it came here" but the original uploader claimed it was their own work. Are we sure it's freely licensed? Kosack (talk) 19:48, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Kosack - Not sure. Looking at it, it looks like it comes from some sort of official website. I'd be fine with removing it, especially in this case. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:52, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • It seems all six images in her Commons category may have the same issue and neither the original uploader or the contradicting editor have made any other edits so contacting them seems unlikely. I'd say that the images are questionable at best and wouldn't run it. You can either drop it (from the article also) or maybe start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Did you know if you want to pursue it? Your call. Kosack (talk) 20:00, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Oh, no they totally seem dodgy. I'll remove and see what I can do on commons. Thanks for being so thorough. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 20:03, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   No worries, if you manage to sort one out on Commons before it goes up I'll happily re-review this to include it. Good to go now. Kosack (talk) 20:19, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Ornate rainbowfish

5x expanded by Quetzal1964 (talk). Self-nominated at 08:42, 7 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article meets expansion and paraphrasing requirements. Adequate sourcing and QPQ done. Hook is interesting and cited inline (I think ALT0 is more eyecatching than ALT1). There is a typo in the article right now that says "This species can tolerate very soft waters and tt"; should be good to go once this is addressed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:11, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Typo fixed. Quetzal1964 (talk) 05:48, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Kanon Takao

  • ... that Japanese voice actress Kanon Takao won an international piano competition when she was 10 years old? Source: [59] (The whole article)
    • ALT1:... that Japanese voice actress Kanon Takao won an international piano competition in Italy when she was 10 years old? Source: same as ALT0

Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:03, 7 July 2019 (UTC).

Chance Rencountre

Created by Inter&anthro (talk). Self-nominated at 04:07, 8 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 8Edit

St. Martin, Lorch

 
Main altar at St. Martin, Lorch
  • Reviewed: to come

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 20:43, 13 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   Long enough, new enough, etc. I do think the sourcing is a bit thin, but there is more available. Gerda Arendt, if you could incorporate this, that would be great--if only to verify the altar, but this eye business is interesting. And "monochrome" or "unpainted"? I'm surprised that the article by H. Simon isn't linked and cited, and it seems to me that Eike Oellerman, "Der Hochaltar in St. Martin zu Lorch am Rhein" (in Flügelaltäre des späten Mittelalters, 1992, pp. 9-22) deserves a citation as well. These do not stand in the way of DYK, I suppose. But a non-neutral phrase and a ch tag do: I had a "tick" here already, but then I saw the "most precious" thing--plz. see my edit summary. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:41, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Kürecik Radar Station

  • ... that the surveillance radar at the Kürecik Radar Station in southeastern Turkey serves for NATO missile defense in Europe? Source: "AN/TPY-2 Transportable Radar Surveillance Forward Based X-Band Transportable [FBX-T]" [61], "an agreement to deploy a missile-defense system providing protection of NATO’s European territory" [62], "The AN/TPY-2 type radar has been stationed in the southeastern town of Kürecik" [63], "The radar base is a crucial part of the Obama administration's "phased adaptive approach" for European missile defense." [64]

Created/expanded by CeeGee (talk). Self-nominated at 09:25, 11 July 2019 (UTC).

2019 CONCACAF Gold Cup Final

  • Reviewed: TBD
  • Comment: I plan on writing a separate article on the 2007 final soon, which would be worked in using ALT1.

5x expanded by SounderBruce (talk). Self-nominated at 07:13, 11 July 2019 (UTC).

Hassan Maatouk

 
Maatouk training with Lebanon in 2018

Improved to Good Article status by Nehme1499 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC).

Royce Coleman Dyer

Created by Thats Just Great (talk). Self-nominated at 17:55, 8 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 9Edit

Tonic Trouble

  • Reviewed: Ann Peterson
  • Comment: The article passed GA status on July 9. I realize that this is three days past the deadline, but I hope that this is not too much of a problem. This is my first DYK and I was not aware that the deadline was set to seven days.

Improved to Good Article status by Lordtobi (talk) and Cognissonance (talk). Nominated by Lordtobi (talk) at 11:55, 19 July 2019 (UTC).

Nicholas Laucella

Created by 2620:65:8000:A203:6927:F7F5:7EC8:DC5 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 20:01, 17 July 2019 (UTC).

Städtische Bühnen Frankfurt

 
Opern- und Schauspielhaus Frankfurt in 2014

Converted from a redirect by Gerda Arendt (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 08:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC).

Myrtle Driver Johnson

  • ... that the language Myrtle Driver Johnson has worked to preserve has been declared to be in a state of emergency? Sources: "Johnson is ... a tireless advocate for preservation of the Cherokee language"[65], "The three federally recognized tribes of Cherokee people have declared a State of Emergency for the Cherokee language"[66]
  • ALT1 ... that Myrtle Driver Johnson can translate into a language that has been declared to be in a state of emergency? Sources: "She serves as the Cherokee translator for Tribal Council, offering Cherokee versions of any resolutions, ordinances or other materials requested, and occasionally opening the body’s sessions with a Cherokee-language prayer"[67] and see above for the state of emergency source

Created by Biosthmors (talk). Self-nominated at 19:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 10Edit

Rinse the Blood Off My Toga

  • ... that "Rinse the Blood Off My Toga", Wayne and Shuster's most famous comedy sketch, re-casts Shakespeare's historical tragedy Julius Caesar as a detective story with gangster overtones? Source: "Though 'The Shakespearean Baseball Game: A Comedy of Errors, Hits and Runs' was arguably their signature skit, the most famous was their first for Sullivan in 1958, a bit which they had already honed on CBC radio in the early 1940s. In 'Rinse the Blood Off My Toga,' Wayne hammed it up as 'Flavius Maximus,' a toga-clad private eye in ancient Rome who's on the case to find the wiseguy who killed ol' Julie Caesar." (Canada on Screen); "The play's characters are treated as if they had Mob connections as Flavius looks for Mr. Big." (Seventh Sanctum)

Created by Yoninah (talk) and Reidgreg (talk). Nominated by Yoninah (talk) at 22:18, 15 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   Article meets DYK nomination requirements, no close paraphrasing found, QPQ done. The hook is interesting, but I have concerns about the sourcing. I don't have access to the sources that state that the sketch was the duo's "most celebrated", but in the reference used for the same statement in the lede (which I can access), there is no mention of this and in fact another sketch is mentioned to be their most famous instead. In addition, the source used to reference the gangster overtones does not appear to explicitly mention the term "gangster" nor imply it (it only seems to use "detective" from my quick reading of it). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 01:09, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
    • @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for the review. There are several elements to the script. One is a detective story, a la Dragnet. Another is the gangster narrative, characterized by the reference to Julius Caesar as "Big Julie" and other dialogue in the script which is not mentioned here. Of course, I paraphrased the source (I posted the relevant sentence from the source above) rather than use the word "Mob". The Wikipedia article on Gangster begins: A gangster is a criminal who is a member of a gang. Some gangs are considered to be part of organized crime. I thought that was a fair paraphrase. Another offline source, including the relevant quote, has been added for "most celebrated". Yoninah (talk) 11:18, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
      • (edit conflict) I've added a |quote= to the offline citation for "most celebrated". I have sources which call it a "tough" or "hard boiled" detective story, and gangster/mobster overtones are typical of the detective genre, but I haven't spotted a source which specifically says gangster or mobster. I'll try looking again. – Reidgreg (talk) 11:49, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
        • I found Mustang News “Rinse the Blood off my Toga,” a skit about Julius Caesar but set to a gangster murder mystery theme and dialogue. and Theatre Alberta "It is a parody of the death of Julius Caesar, using the cool, gangster-type style of the novels of Mickey Spillane to poke fun at Shakespeare's tragedy." Will add that shortly.   Done. – Reidgreg (talk) 12:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
      • BTW, I was wondering if it would be any better to use "skit" instead of "sketch"? We start out calling it a "comedy sketch" so I think it's clear, but "skit" has fewer meanings than "sketch" and so might be more specific and less ambiguous (and less vulnerable to misinterpretation by machine translators). – Reidgreg (talk) 11:49, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
      • Thanks, Reidgreg. I'm good with "skit". I just called it "sketch" because of the Wikipedia article Sketch comedy. Yoninah (talk) 12:12, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the edits. However, I still have concerns about the "most celebrated" or "most famous part". The quote said that the duo agreed that it was their "most celebrated" but it doesn't outright say that it was, and other sources in the article seem to dispute that it was their most celebrated (as I raised above), and I'm not sure if the TIFF source given above is enough to settle the matter. I'm starting to think it might be better to just simply remove the "most famous" part from the hook and just mention that it was a sketch by Wayne and Shuster. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 21:29, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  • We could do that. I was just concerned that telling the plot only would be "in-universe". If you want a different hook, give me some time to think about it. Yoninah (talk) 21:47, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
I didn't actually realize that the hook might fall afoul of the "needs to be in-universe" guideline, but eh. Looking at the article again, I can think of three possibilities: one could be on how they were sent a letter saying "Canada is proud of you", another could be how their appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show boosted that show's ratings from the doldrums, and another could be about how some catchphrases from the sketch became iconic. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:15, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
If it was "Big Julie took it in the rotunda", that'd be in-universe. This discusses it as a sketch, which should be fine. Dropping the "most famous/celebrated" part would make the hook shorter and concentrate on the Shakespeare/gangster parody angle (and we can assume it's famous since it has its own article). There's definitely an angle for the catchphrases. I tend to like ALT0 which is about the sketch itself; the ratings angle makes it about Sullivan and the "martinus" angle starts to make it more about Manhattan. Though unexpected facts like that may be hookier to US readers. – Reidgreg (talk) 08:30, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Give me another day or two to post new hooks. The name of the sketch will draw in a lot of clicks, so I'd like to retain that. Yoninah (talk) 11:52, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I think ALT1 has potential, but I feel it might be a bit too niche since I don't think the duo are well-known outside of North America (I've personally never even heard of them before this nomination). Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:45, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorry, I think you're throwing around the word "niche" too freely. Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia. Not everyone in every country is going to relate to every hook unless they click on them. (By the same token, aren't your Japanese voice actresses hooks "niche"? Everything is niche around here.) I have provided a link to Wayne and Shuster without having to spell out that they are a Canadian comedy duo. The emphasis in the hook is on the bolded subject, which everyone is invited to click on to learn more. Yoninah (talk)
Well, I suppose you have a point there. In any case, perhaps there could be reworded somehow, like changing the order of facts. I fear though that if this does happen, it could ruin the catchiness of the hook. I'll give this some thought and will reply with my final thoughts by tomorrow. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) It's a historical subject, but W&S were extremely big in their time (one US reviewer said the Ed Sullivan Show should be renamed for them) and highly influential (the most obvious example being Shuster mentoring his son-in-law, Lorne Michaels, who created Saturday Night Live). They were pretty much the only ones doing sketch comedy on television when everyone else was doing stand-up. An Australian indie band released this 2015 song, "6pm Wayne & Shuster" about nostalgic television, with a chorus that repeats "rinse off the blood" and "Julie don't go". Admittedly, an indie band is niche, but for an Australian band to point to W&S as nostalgic TV, and to pick this sketch from 80 syndicated episodes, suggests it is fairly well-known today to people of a certain age. –Reidgreg (talk) 12:43, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I like ALT3, thanks! Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
My preference is ALT2, but I really don't know if the wording is enough to satisfy the "real world" requirement. My backup is still some variation of ALT1, though I'm not sure about the exact wording to be used. Perhaps an emphasis on the ratings increase? I'm also open to ALT3. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:28, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 is talking about the ratings. Yoninah (talk) 23:30, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
I meant putting the ratings part earlier on in the hook, instead of at the end. On the other hand, another option could be something like "When Wayne and Shuster performed Rinse the Blood Of My Toga...", which gives emphasis on Wayne and Shuster as well. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:53, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 11Edit

Jörg Breiding

 
Jörg Breiding in 2015

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 12:22, 18 July 2019 (UTC).

Beryllium-8

5x expanded by ComplexRational (talk). Self-nominated at 15:30, 14 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Your initial suggestion is the opinion of one Io9 headline writer. I like Io9 too, but let's not be ridiculous. ALT1 feels too teleological; I'd really rather not have anything on the front page that can be willfully misinterpreted as bolstering creationist arguments. ("Oh, but if creationists read the relevant articles all the way through, they'll realize that the statement doesn't support their arguments!", you might say. Yes, but this requires them to be intellectually honest.) ALT3: has there been any progress in exploring that anomaly since 2015? - DS (talk) 23:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC) -->
@DragonflySixtyseven: In regards to ALT3, the most recent publication is Feng, 2016, which is cited in the article. I haven't found anything more recent than that. I can see where the problems with ALT0 and ALT1 lie; that said, do you have any suggestions to reword ALT1 (perhaps mentioning anthropic principle or is that still too creationist)?
I will also propose another hook that is hopefully broader:
ComplexRational (talk) 00:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
How about something to quantify the instability? ALT5 .... that the triple-alpha process, which produces carbon in stars, must occur extremely quickly because it requires beryllium-8, which decays in less than a quadrillionth of a second?
I like that idea (ALT5); I was thinking of a way to quantify the half-life but it didn't sound right originally - thank you! ComplexRational (talk) 00:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC) (forgotten ping: @DragonflySixtyseven: ComplexRational (talk) 00:58, 23 July 2019 (UTC))

References

  1. ^ Inglis-Arkell, E. "This Unbelievable Coincidence Is Responsible For Life In The Universe". Gizmodo. Retrieved 14 July 2019.
  2. ^ Epelbaum, E.; Krebs, H.; Lee, D.; Meißner, Ulf-G. (2011). "Ab initio calculation of the Hoyle state" (PDF). Physical Review Letters. 106: 192501–1—192501–4. doi:10.1103/PhysRevLett.106.192501.)
  3. ^ Coc, A.; Vangioni, E. (2014). "The triple-alpha reaction and the A = 8 gap in BBN and Population III stars" (PDF). Memorie della Società Astronomica Italiana. 85: 124–129.)
  4. ^ Cartlidge, E. (25 May 2016). "Has a Hungarian physics lab found a fifth force of nature?". Nature. Retrieved 14 July 2019.)
  5. ^ Landsman, K. (2015). "The Fine-Tuning Argument". arXiv:1505.05359.

Royal christening gown

 
Edward VIII wearing the gown at his christening.
  • ... that the original royal christening gown, created in 1841, was worn by sixty-two royal babies over 163 years? Source: "The dress was worn by 62 royal babies over the course of its 163 years of royal service. Five monarchs have been baptized in the gown, beginning with Victoria and Albert's first son, the future Edward VII." ([69])
    • ALT1:... that the royal christening gown, created in 1841, was inspired by the wedding dress of Queen Victoria? Source: "The gown had been inspired by Queen Victoria's own wedding dress, and was made from white silk with a handmade lace overlay." ([70])
    • ALT2:... that five British monarchs were christened in the same royal christening gown from 1841? Source: "Five monarchs have been baptized in the gown, beginning with Victoria and Albert's first son, the future Edward VII. George V, Edward VIII, George VI and the Queen all wore the white lace dress, as did Prince Charles, Prince William, and Prince Harry." ([71])

Created by Mesmeilleurs (talk). Self-nominated at 23:08, 11 July 2019 (UTC). Previously nominated by DragonflySixtyseven (talk) at 16:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC).

Review

  • Note that I have made a few changes to the article, but none that I see as sufficiently major to render me an unobjective reviewer.
  • Article is long enough and was nominated (twice!) the day it was created, so meets eligibility criteria 1 and 2
  • Suitable references are included to support all the proposed hooks and these facts are cited and referenced in the article. Interesting to a broad audience is subjective, but a gown in use for 163 is unusual and there are plenty of people fascinated by everything Royal, so it is my opinion that eligibility criterion 3 is satisfied
  • Article is not a stub, covers the topic adequately, but I am concerned that the lede is about only the British gown (and the title implies that is the only one) but the article goes on to discuss Swedish and Danish examples. Perhaps a broader lede then a section on the British gown and others on the Danish and Swedish gowns. Mesmeilleurs, what do you think?
  • Earwig rates 5.7% and the commonalities highlighted are brief phrases that are not going to support any copyright / plagiarism claim.
  • So, my only policy concern (eligibility criterion 4) is about the lede / targeting issue - is this about only the British gown, so change the title, or is it broader, so modify the lede / structure?
  • On eligibility criterion 5, I am unsure. The creator, Mesmeilleurs, has only one DYK credit and so is exempt from the QPQ requirement. However, the nominator in the other nomination, DragonflySixtyseven, does have more than five DYK credits. My instinct is that either this proceeds with Mesmeilleurs receiving the sole credit, in which case no QPQ is required, or if DragonflySixtyseven is to receive a nominator credit, a QPQ is needed. BlueMoonset, what do you think?
  • I need to go out now, will come back to this in a few hours and do the hook review, etc... but in the meantime, this is   going to need some (fairly minor) work. Mesmeilleurs, I am sure this will make it to the front page so don't be discouraged. I almost went with   but technically the structure / title issue and the (unusual) QPQ situation means that I see it as more than just "an issue" to address. EdChem (talk) 23:59, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • EdChem, my feeling is that the article creator should have a reasonable chance to nominate their own article, and I rather expect that Mandarax felt the same way: Mesmeilleurs created the article at 15:32, and DragonflySixtyseven nominated it 75 minutes later at 16:47. The enthusiasm is nice, but there are seven days to nominate a new article at DYK. I think I'd leave it to Mesmeilleurs as to whether the nomination credit should be shared with DragonflySixtyseven, and that if so (and DragonflySixtyseven wishes credit) DS would indeed need to provide a QPQ. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:58, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm happy for DragonflySixtyseven to share nom credit if they want. I'm also happy to make any changes, etc. so all the criteria are satisfied. Just let me know what I need to do! Thanks, MesmeilleursSay Hey! 11:39, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I just re-arranged the article a little so it wasn't biased towards the British gown, hopefully this is better? I was a little unsure as for what to put in a general intro so it's a bit basic, but I think it's more along the lines of the discussed "broader lede". Also, maybe we could change the hooks to specify that it's the UK gown (e.g. "… that the British royal christening gown was […]")? Also, if DragonflySixtyseven doesn't indicate they want to share nom credit shortly, I'm happy to just proceed with myself as sole nomination credit. Thanks, MesmeilleursSay Hey! 19:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Losharik

 
Yuri Norstein
  • ... that the title of the animated film Losharik comes from a portmanteau of the Russian words for "horse" and "small ball"? Source: MacFadyen, David (2005). Yellow Crocodiles and Blue Oranges: Russian Animated Film Since World War II. McGill-Queen's Press - MQUP. p. 45. ISBN 9780773528710.
    • ALT1:... that the name of the title character of the animated film Losharik, a circus animal made out of juggling balls, became the nickname of a Russian submarine also constructed of circular spheres? Source: "The sub was nicknamed in honour of an animated toy horse of the same name made from multi-coloured bubble-like orbs. While very little is known about the Losharik's design, military experts believe the sub contains seven bubble shaped compartments. "The use of these spherical fragments in the design create conditions so that the ship can safely dive deeply. This is the origin of the nickname." ([72]
    • ALT2:... that while working on the animated film Losharik, featuring an animal made out of juggling balls, art director Tamara Poletika and animator Yuri Norstein (pictured) attended circus rehearsals? Source: "Starting this work, I even went to the circus, attended rehearsals. At the studio I said: "It's so interesting there guys! Come on, everyone!" No one went except Yuri Norstein." ([73])

Converted from a redirect by Spokoyni (talk). Self-nominated at 23:36, 11 July 2019 (UTC).

Enischnomyia, Vetufebrus

 
Fossil Enischnomyia in Dominican amber
  • ... that the bat fly Enischnomyia (pictured) is fossilized with Vetufebrus malaria in its gut? Source:Poinar, 2014 "Enischnomyia stegosoma (Figure 47) [98, 99]. Two ovoid oocysts of Vetufebrus ovatus attached to the midgut wall of the bat fly contained short, stubby sporozoites" Plus Figs 47 and 48
  • Reviewed: Mount Oku rat
  • Comment: While the type descriptions of the two genera (Poinar 2011; Poinar & Brown, 2012) don't mention each other by name, the type specimen number is the same, and the association was specifically discussed by Poinar 2014

Created/expanded by Kevmin (talk) and DrMicro (talk). Nominated by Kevmin (talk) at 17:40, 11 July 2019 (UTC).

Note: I've removed the credits for DrMicro, who created Vetufebrus in 2011 but hasn't edited the page in seven years, and made no edits to Enischnomyia at all. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:57, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Essex on the Park

 
Essex on the Park and Hotel Essex
  • ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was built on a pre-existing ground lease that runs until 2057?

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self-nominated at 15:35, 15 July 2019 (UTC).

@TonyTheTiger: If that's the case, then if it's okay for you, then this nomination should probably be marked as unsuccessful. Not all articles are meant to be for DYK unfortunately. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 09:01, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Suggesting a couple of alts. Spokoyni (talk) 08:57, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that the 57-story Essex on the Park (pictured) was built on a former swimming pool?
  • ALT2 ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was initially planned to be 48 stories tall, though at its completion it stood 57 stories tall?
  • ALT3 ... that Essex on the Park (pictured) was initially planned to be 48 stories tall, increasing to 56 stories when construction started, and at its completion stood 57 stories tall?
ALT1 sounds good to me. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 10:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 12Edit

Gabriel Boughton

  • ... that ship's surgeon Gabriel Boughton travelled to India in the 17th century where he attended the court of the Mughal Empire?
    • ALT1:... that ...?
  • Reviewed: To be done
  • Comment: 5 x expanded from 12 July. Slightly late, hope that's OK

Created by Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 23:24, 19 July 2019 (UTC).

Behold the Sun

 
Alexander Goehr in 2007

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:00, 19 July 2019 (UTC).

Kang Daniel

 
Kang Daniel
  • ... that K-pop singer Kang Daniel (pictured) broke the Guinness World Record for the "Fastest time to gain one million followers on Instagram" previously held by Pope Francis on January 3, 2019? Source: K-Pop star Kang Daniel has achieved a new record for the Fastest time to gain one million followers on Instagram after joining the social media platform on New Year's Day. Kang quickly gained one million fans, breaking a record previously held by the Pope Francis, who reached 1 million in 12 hours after debuting his verified Vatican Media channel 'franciscus' back in 2016.Guinness World Records
  • Comment: If possible I would like this nomination to be on main page on July 25, 2019

5x expanded by Moon Gin (talk). Self-nominated at 07:32, 12 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Hook will need to be tweaked for English usage: there is no "fastest time". Drmies (talk) 01:16, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I actually use the exact same term listed on Guinness World Records. In my personal opinion, I think we should stick to the official term used for the record itself, but I'm open to suggestion. Thank you.Moon Gin (talk) 07:36, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  • A time can't be faster (or slower), strictly speaking. "Shortest time period" is more proper English, though I can't verify from home if Fowler's agrees with me. If it's in quotes, I suppose we have to go with it; it's just sad that Guinness is so sloppy. Drmies (talk) 14:04, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Regrettably, this nomination is not eligible for DYK. Since the article has been around since 2017, this can either qualify as a 5x expansion—made five times as long as it was—or as a newly passed Good Article. The latter did not happen, and the expansion is only from 5119 prose characters from 5794 prose characters, a 1.13x expansion. To make 5x, the article would need to increase to 25,595 prose characters, which is just not practical. I'm sorry for the bad news. If the article should ever become a Good Article—it would need a great deal of work to meet the Good Article criteria—you are welcome to renominate at that time. Sorry for the bad news. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:34, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on July 13Edit

Trump administration migrant detentions

  • ... that a July 2019 American government report found "dangerous overcrowding" during the Trump administration migrant detentions, that some adults were housed in standing-room conditions for a week? Source: The Hill
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Starship.paint (talk). Self-nominated at 04:59, 19 July 2019 (UTC).

Christel Boom

  • Comment: QPQ review to follow

Created by Harrias (talk). Self-nominated at 18:52, 13 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 14Edit

Ambroise Ouédraogo

  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: Image may come - I missed the nom by a day, sorry.

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 11:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC).

On Saudi Arabia

Created by Mbazri (talk). Self-nominated at 12:08, 20 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 15Edit

Tom Atkins (footballer)

  • Reviewed: tbd

Moved to mainspace by Teratix (talk). Self-nominated at 07:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC).

Current nominationsEdit

Articles created/expanded on July 16Edit

1925 London County Council election

  • ... that, following the 1925 London County Council election, the Labour Party became the official opposition for the first time? "Labour, with 37 elected members, becomes the official opposition": "Labour The Official LCC Opposition", Manchester Guardian, 18 March 1925; "... the Labour Party, which, having more than doubled its representation, becomes for the first time the Opposition": "LCC election: Municipal Reform victory", The Times, 7 March 1925

Converted from a redirect by Warofdreams (talk). Self-nominated at 11:50, 17 July 2019 (UTC).

  • @Warofdreams: Article is new and long enough and the QPQ is subject to completion, but should be fine. However, I take it all sources are archived ones? Could you just verify how you did access them? Juxlos (talk) 14:13, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

SS Grampian (1907)

 
SS Grampian after hitting an iceberg on July 10, 1919
  • ... that the captain of the SS Grampian (pictured after collision) intentionally rammed an iceberg head on so as to avoid the Titanic's fate? Source:"That the Grampian did not suffer the fate of the Titanic with considerable loss of life, is believed to have been due to the decision of the captain to strike the iceberg bow on instead of taking a glancing blow on the side." [74]

Created by Thats Just Great (talk). Self-nominated at 02:46, 17 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   @Thats Just Great: While the article is new enough, long enough, and not a copyvio, I am a bit concerned about the language in the article - it could probably use some copyediting before the front page. Also, the entire career section is uncited. Juxlos (talk) 21:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
  • The copy edit was frankly unsatisfactory - try going through the article once more. Also, the last sentence of the iceberg strike section is uncited. Juxlos (talk) 06:20, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

27th South African Parliament

 
Houses of Parliament situated in Cape Town

5x expanded by Lefcentreright (talk). Self-nominated at 18:56, 16 July 2019 (UTC).

Big Bull, India

  • Reviewed: QPQ to be done. Will get back shortly.

Created by Rsrikanth05 (talk) and Dharmadhyaksha (talk). Nominated by Rsrikanth05 (talk) at 07:34, 23 July 2019 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on July 17Edit

Konstantinos Smolenskis

 
Popular lithograph of Smolenskis as hero of the 1897 war
  • ... that Konstantinos Smolenskis, a future general and hero of the Greco-Turkish War of 1897, was expelled from the Greek Military Academy by his own father for unruly behaviour? Source: "...αποβληθείς δια την ζωηρότητά του, ραπίζοντας ανηλεώς τους συμμαθητάς αυτού, οίτινες εμέμφοντο αυτώ ως μη φηλούντι τα πολλά λόγια, ως λέγεται, υπογράψαντος του πατρός αυτού Λεωνίδα Σμολένσκη, υποστρατήγου και υπουργού τότε όντος των Στρατιωτικών εν τη κυβερνήσει Δ. Βούλγαρη [...] το Διάταγμα της απολύσεώς του, απήλθεν..." Evangelidis, Tryfon E. (1898). "Κωνσταντίνος Σμολένσκης: Βιογραφικόν Δοκίμιον" [Konstantinos Smolenskis: Biographical Essay]. ΚΩΝ. Φ. ΣΚΟΚΟΥ ΕΤΗΣΙΟΝ ΗΜΕΡΟΛΟΓΙΟΝ ΧΡΟΝΟΓΡΑΦΙΚΟΝ, ΦΙΛΟΛΟΓΙΚΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΓΕΛΟΙΟΓΡΑΦΙΚΟΝ ΤΟΥ ΕΤΟΥΣ 1898, p. 82–83.

5x expanded by Cplakidas (talk). Self-nominated at 19:21, 20 July 2019 (UTC).

Werner Müller (politician)

 
Wernerm Müller in 2002
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: RIP

5x expanded by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 13:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC).

  •   This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. The image is suitably licensed, the hook facts are cited inline, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or plagiarism issues. It's curious, I reviewed Eduard Müller (Austrian politician) earlier today; he was also a finance minister. A QPQ is still needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:19, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the review. I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Lesser seedcracker. Dirk Müller going to come ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Assassination of Ali Sayyad Shirazi

Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 11:09, 19 July 2019 (UTC).

John Talbot White

  • ... that John Talbot White's last nature column before his death told how a mouse escaped a weasel by jumping over its back?
    • ALT1:... that ...?

Created by Philafrenzy (talk) and Whispyhistory (talk). Nominated by Philafrenzy (talk) at 22:58, 18 July 2019 (UTC).

LGBT cinema in Latin America

5x expanded by Kingsif (talk). Self-nominated at 13:42, 18 July 2019 (UTC).

  1. ^ "10 great LGBTQ+ films from Latin America". BFI. Retrieved 17 July 2019.
  2. ^ B. Ruby Rich (2013). New Queer Cinema: The Director's Cut. Duke University Press. ISBN 9780822354284.

Asamardhuni Jivayatra

  • Reviewed: pending
  • Comment: Copyediting is requested at GOCE.

Created by Gazal world (talk). Nominated by Nizil Shah (talk) at 06:19, 18 July 2019 (UTC).

Zeferino Peña Cuéllar

  • ... that former police chief Zeferino Peña Cuéllar reportedly fled Mexico following an attempt on his life? Source: [Spanish] "Don Zefe habria abandonado el pais tras [el atentado contra su vida] en Nuevo Leon ... Todo hace suponer que el senor Peña esta fuera del pais; sin embargo, la busqueda sigue; el trabajo intenso de la Unidad Contra la Delincuencia Organizada sigue / [English]: "Don Zefe left the country after [the attempt on his life] that occurred in Nuevo Leon ... Everything suggests that Mr. Peña is out of the country; however, the search continues; the intense work of the Unit Against Organized Crime continues" (El Norte)
    • ALT1:... that gunmen tried to kill Zeferino Peña Cuéllar for suspecting that he assisted in a drug lord's arrest? Source: [Spanish] "Gilberto Garcia Mena, El June, detenido en abril en Guardados de Abajo, Tamaulipas, descubrio que Don Zefe fue quien lo delato y no Edelio Lopez Falcon, El Yeyo, a quien en mayo otro comando trato de sorprender en el Palenque de la Expo ... El Subsecretario de Seguridad Publica, Raul Maldonado, dijo al mediodia en rueda de prensa que todo apunta a que se trata de un ajuste de cuentas, seguramente relacionado con el trafico de drogas." / [English]: Gilberto Garcia Mena, El June, arrested in April in Guardados de Abajo, Tamaulipas, discovered that Don Zefe was the one who turned him in and not Edelio Lopez Falcon, El Yeyo, whom in May another armed commando tried to kill him in the Palenque of the Expo ... The Undersecretary of Public Security, Raul Maldonado, said at noon at a press conference that everything points to settling of scores, probably related to drug trafficking. (El Norte)

Moved to mainspace by MX (talk). Self-nominated at 16:18, 17 July 2019 (UTC).

  • Drive-by comment and not a review, but I'd suggest striking ALT0 as it's not exactly a great hook. ALT1 has potential, but I'd suggest you propose more hooks. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
    • ALT2:... former police chief Zeferino Peña Cuéllar may have escaped through a secret tunnel during an attack from a drug cartel? Source: [Spanish] "Trascendio que posiblemente los investigadores buscaban un tunel que se cree esta en la finca. Eso, porque el dia de la balacera, un testigo escucho cuando unos de los pistoleros grito que los habitantes de la finca podian escapar por 'el tunel' ... En la misma finca, los federales aparentemente buscaban un tunel que se cree servia de refugio a [Zeferino Peña Cuéllar] en casos extremos ..." / [English] "It was reported that investigators were possibly looking for a tunnel that is believed to be on the farm. That, because on the day of the shooting, a witness heard when some of the gunmen shouted that the inhabitants of the farm could escape through 'the tunnel' ... On the same estate, the feds apparently looked for a tunnel that is believed to be used as a refuge to [Zeferino Peña Cuéllar] in extreme cases ..."
    • ALT3: ... Zeferino Peña Cuéllar had trouble recovering a seized property because he bought it from a Mexican drug lord? Source: [Spanish] A Don Zefe se le ha dificultado recuperar la finca de El Faisan, debido a que la UEDO se entero de que esa propiedad ... habia pertenecido al cerebro financiero del Cartel del Golfo, Carlos Resendez Bortolousi. / [English] Don Zefe has had a difficult time recovering El Faisan's estate, because UEDO learned that this property ... had belonged to the financial brain of the Gulf Cartel, Carlos Resendez Bortolousi.

Articles created/expanded on July 18Edit

John A. Spizziri

  • ... that John A. Spizziri proposed allowing people to carry small amounts of prescription tranquilizers, after a man was arrested when Librium pills were found in a jacket that a dog had dragged away? "Arrest Of Patient Stirs Legislature" in The New York Times: "While on a visit in Wood‐Ridge on May 8, Mr. Schwam was carrying in an unmarked one‐inch green and brown vial ‘eight Librium capsules he had taken from a large bottle containing his monthly supply of 120 pills.... A neighborhood dog ran off with his denim jacket containing the vial. woman who later found the jacket but could not learn the owner's name took it to the police, who found the pills and arrested Mr. Schwam under a section ‐of the drug law that prohibits carrying dozens of types of pills and prescribed drugs in anything but the original, labled container provided by a pharmacist.... The new amendment, offered by Assemblyman John A. Spizziri, Republican of Franklin Lakes, would permit person with a legitimate need for a controlled drug to carry a two‐day supply of the pills or medication in any container")
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Reviewed: