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DYK nomination of Neo-BechsteinEdit

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Your Inverie Bay Article is InterestingEdit

  Keep up the good work! puggo 20:31, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Thanks @Bug2266: That is very nice. scope_creepTalk 20:37, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Bug2266: Here is another one I did so far, Machrihanish Bay. I plan to create articles for all of them in Scotland eventually. scope_creepTalk 20:43, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
are you a geologist? this seems like a neat hobby puggo 20:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bug2266 (talkcontribs)
No. Not at all. scope_creepTalk 21:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
I found an article on the web that had been written by a geologist and based the stuff on that. I was fairly straighforward. scope_creepTalk 21:10, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

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  The Mixed Drinks Barnstar
Hi Special:Contributions/51.9.194.50 That was very nice, although I'm not sure it is for. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 14:43, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Luftnachrichten Abteilung 350Edit

Hi,

first of all: Sorry for the confusion I've created by modifying the spelling of some words. I didn't realise that one of these words was actually the name of a file, which must of course not be changed. Shame on me.

I've seen that you reverted my current try to put this right. However, I think that in fact outstation is correct and not out-station, although I'm not a native speaker: See e.g. Merriam Webster or Wiktionary. Also I've made some other changes, f.i. High frequency into high frequency. Although all Wikipedia articles start with a capital letter, therefore High frequency, in the article it is then spelled with a lower caps h. high frequency also is a valid link.

Also, I've deleted one instance of the picture "Luftwaffe Radio Communication Network of VHF and Radar Intercept Out-Stations, Signals Regiment South.svg" because it was two times in the article.

Regards --Cyfal (talk) 12:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @Cyfal: The article needs tons of work. Your very welcome to help. scope_creepTalk 12:26, 27 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the explanation! So in some cases in Luftnachrichten Abteilung 350, it should be spelled out-station (when its a named item, a designed product, that could be duplicated), and in some cases outstation (when its an outpost), as far as I understand. I applied now my former modification again, but this time leaving the all stations untouched. Thank you again --Cyfal (talk) 12:39, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for being one of Wikipedia's top medical contributors!Edit

  The 2018 Cure Award
In 2018 you were one of the top ~250 medical editors across any language of Wikipedia. Thank you from Wiki Project Med Foundation for helping bring free, complete, accurate, up-to-date health information to the public. We really appreciate you and the vital work you do! Wiki Project Med Foundation is a user group whose mission is to improve our health content. Consider joining here, there are no associated costs.

Thanks again :-) -- Doc James along with the rest of the team at Wiki Project Med Foundation 17:41, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Doc James Its good that somebody is noticing. I plan to continue doing more this year. scope_creepTalk 17:48, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Perfect :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:53, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

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Scope creep, it's been three weeks since you were pinged above about issues with this nomination, and there haven't been any edits to the article or response to the review. Please post to the nomination page regarding what you plan to do, if you wish to continue pursuing this nomination. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi @BlueMoonset: I will take a look at it tomorrow. scope_creepTalk 18:35, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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Abbey of Saints Cornelius and CyprianEdit

Hello, Thank you for your interest in this article. It was posted by me as a new article but the reviewer decided it was not good enough so made it into a draft. Then when the draft was submitted it was not accepted on the grounds of inadequate sourcing. As the French article lacked inline citations and I had no access to any printed sources it was not possible to do much about that. Good luck with expanding it.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 10:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Neo-BechsteinEdit

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Looking at Special:Contributions/Camentoogi ...Edit

Do you get a hint of writing under contract? Just weird to pick an AFC as your second article, after your first was a more obscure 'academic'. I then notice them start another sandbox item that hit a spam blacklist item. I think that it smells, though I am a suspicious from my anti-abuse background. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:49, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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SandaigEdit

Hello Scope Creep, Sandaig, and its islets, is located several miles further up the coast from Loch Hourn. Look on Google maps or Ordnance Survey maps. Glenelg has a Wikipedia page you where you can see more details on the other Sandaig and its connection to Gavin Maxwell. Cheers,

Jamie Stuart (talk) 08:48, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

List of bays of ScotlandEdit

Just wanted to say I understand your point, but as they are right now, that's not what it looks like. It simply looks like there are duplicate entries in the list. To disambiguate them (even if it is a redlink), if you know what body of water they are on, that would do the trick. For instance, if one was on Loch Fyne, you could say, South Bay (Lock Fyne). Or something like that, I'm not really sure of the exactly correct titling guideline for bodies of water.Onel5969 TT me 14:02, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Onel5969: Yip. There is that one problem certainly. I started doing coordinates later, probably too late in the day really. The other problem I've got is I dont even know if the list is complete. I'm comparing it with the one in List of bays of the British Isles which I filled several years ago, but that has several missing, even I though I went over it several times, mostly due to a misunderstanding of Gealic place names. I really dont want stuff going missing. Thanks for the help. I plan to put them all in tables, with coordinates and local location names. Thanks for the help on the dimab.scope_creepTalk 14:46, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

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David Hull (paediatrician)Edit

Please note that Kt is not usually used as a postnom. Knights Bachelor do not use postnoms. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:35, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, yes exactly as Necrothesp says, Knights Bachelor don't add Kt after their names, presumably because the title "Sir" shows that they have a knighthood, and such a knighthood is not one of the orders of chivalry. That is why I removed the KT, not just because it was in upper case, as I think you assumed.Rcb1 (talk) 11:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC)rcb1

Thanks, yes exactly as Necrothesp says, Knights Bachelor don't add Kt after their names, presumably because the title "Sir" shows that they have a knighthood, and such a knighthood is not one of the orders of chivalry. That is why I removed the KT, not because it was in upper case, as I think you assumed.Rcb1 (talk) 11:49, 19 March 2019 (UTC)rcb1

Hi @Necrothesp: In the James Spence Medal articles I adding in thing FRCP into the post-noms. Have they all got to go as well. scope_creepTalk 11:45, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
No, fellowships are fine. They're recognised postnoms. But nothing below fellowships (not MRCS, for instance; but FRCS is fine) or any degrees. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:55, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
Yip. @Necrothesp:, @Rcb1: It might be worth removing the Kt from the post-noms template as well, which I added. scope_creepTalk 14:20, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

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Hi my Wikipedia page showing wrong information I m trying to remove that but it's never goona remove in google search . Can anyone please help! Kandesrikanth (talk) 18:06, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Kandesrikanth: I can help. The reason I removed it was you don't seem to leave an edit summary. Please change and at the end leave an edit summary. If it is your Wikipedia article, the proper mechanism to update it is usually a Wikipedia:Edit requests, and once it has been posted on the talk page, some other uninvolved editor will come along and address the request. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 18:38, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Regarding your edit on Damon J. Smith PageEdit

Hi Scope Creep, I saw that you removed the music section, referring to it as "puff, native advertising per WP:NOT and WP:NOTADVERTISING. Do not add back in. Less than 4000 in Spotify." Where does it say in Wikipedia's guidelines that a musician has to have 4K+ followers on Spotify to be worthy of referencing their music on Wikipedia? It's not as if the entire page talks about his music. The section you removed included the fact that he charted in the top 10 on Billboard - is that not worthy of note for someone who started his career as an athlete? I could understand changing the name of the section, or removing something that doesn't appear truthful. But everything contained in that section referenced legitimate music industry sources, and I only named it "Rafa Selase (Music)" because of the fact he produces music under a different name and it seemed noteworthy to make that distinction. Taryndejesus (talk) 22:34, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Taryndejesus:. It a very poor section. I will check it. scope_creepTalk 00:11, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Taryndejesus:. Its a top-8 on Billboard's New Age Albums chart, which I think is not notable. The rest is native advertising and full of puff. scope_creepTalk 00:15, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

scope_creep, "I think is not notable" - that and the rest of your critique reflect your opinions, which I must say I don't find trustworthy. People have always used their opinions to marginalize others. Everything I wrote is verified, not my opinion! Another source in the music section is a quote from a writer at No Depression Magazine, which is covered in Wikipedia. Is their opinion not reliable? This biography is in no way advertising. I will continue to refine the page and see if there are areas that can be improved. I am not trying to skew anything, just contribute to the richness of this online encyclopedia with a biography of someone who is well known in my region for having accomplished some out of the ordinary things. Taryndejesus (talk) 02:03, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Taryndejesus:. Morning. Any volunteer editing Wikipedia has a duty to follow the policies that Wikipedia adheres to. These include for this instance, the policies: WP:V, WP:BIO, WP:BAND, WP:SIGCOV and WP:NOT that apply here: There is more, but these are the most important ones. Ultimately anybody can take stuff out an article if they are in good standing, not blocked or not a sock puppet, and other people, in the same manner, could put it back in by reverting, including yourself, or adding all or any part of the work back if they think it is important. If no agreement of what needs to be done is reached, via discussions on the talk page and no consensus can be reached, then something like WP:RFC can be created and a question is set, folk come to an answer it to resolve the break-in consensus and hopefully through the RFC, consensus is reached as to what content can be in the article, and the agreed content put back in. If that doesn't work, and no consensus is reached, then a dispute is probably the next step, via Dispute resolution. If the article survives Afd, it will be copyedited to remove the WP:PUFF.
I get two to three of these types of articles every week that are promotional and have been doing so for more than 7 years, so I am well experienced at determining what is considered notable and what is not. I make mistakes in the work I do, but at the end of the day, promotional content that is advertising and that damages Wikipedia, must come out, at every stage. Here is an article I came across a few days ago: Ilaria Ramelli that is similar to yours. I think it is laudable that you are trying to update the article. I dont mind if you add some new content in from the old content as long as its well sourced and notable. scope_creepTalk 11:31, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

scope_creep I appreciate you taking the time to provide such a thorough response. I will continue to refine the page and hopefully in the end this process will bring about a better biography. Thank you for your help! Taryndejesus (talk) 05:03, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hi @JJMC89: Thanks. I plan to spend the next couple of months examining the process and I plan to follow individual cases ran by other ACC folk for a good while before proceeding, if its possible. Cool, the IRC relay chat is real handy. scope_creepTalk 07:38, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
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Hi @Vchimpanzee: I have worked out a way to display the coordinates via the built in template:kml . Thanks. scope_creepTalk 18:40, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hi @Anomalocaris: How are you? Its an old signature. Its very nice of you putting another together. Thanks. scope_creepTalk 19:12, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Scope creep. I saw your comment on my talk page regarding paid editing. I'm just getting into editing wikipedia articles--I read a lot of news about startups and read a lot of YA fiction, so I figured I'd put it to use. I wasn't paid for any of my edits that I made. Thanks! Let me know if there's anything you think I need to add in my explanation for my recent edits as I try to get better at being a Wikipedia contributor! FrankieCP (talk) 00:56, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Request on 19:44:26, 24 May 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Wikiproducer123Edit


Hi Scope Creep, Thanks for reviewing an article recently created by me for Mohit Bahl, a well-known Personality in India. I wanna request you to review it again as we had added almost 10+ media coverage about him. I had not added those which I think hardly pass or written by him on well known trusted media sites. Please review it again, I had added each source to prove the originality. I hope you will review it and let me know... Thanks again for contributing for Wikipedia Community.

Wikiproducer123 (talk) 19:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Wikiproducer123: I dont think the draft article is notable per WP:BIO and WP:SIGCOV in my opinion. However, if you'd like to get a review from another editor, you are welcome to resubmit the draft. I do not plan to review it again. scope_creepTalk 07:43, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Two articles that aren't linkedEdit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German-American_Petroleum_Company https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-Amerikanische_Petroleum_Gesellschaft bonus https://av.tib.eu/media/25678 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.90.203.140 (talk) 00:52, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

95.90.203.140 Thanks for that. I have added a citation into the article to video. Quite interesting. I adds a bit more depth to the article. scope_creepTalk 07:19, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Trade Facilitation Agreement 2014Edit

You might want to add categories to Trade Facilitation Agreement 2014, possibly with other edits, since AfCH didn't complete its' job. I've already started a thread about the issue here. -- I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 12:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @I dream of horses: I never added categories. It was the last Afc I did last night. I'm not the best at discovering them, unless they are BLP draft submissions. Generally I can sit there for hours trying to discover the right ones, but after years of trying to master it, I've managed to create a working relationship with Vycl1994. When I post an Afc, Vycl1994 comes and post the cats very quickly. scope_creepTalk 13:13, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
@Scope creep: Do you use the AfC helper tool? Because I had to remove the AfC templates manually.  I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 13:31, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
@I dream of horses: Yes I saw that. All the time. I would never consider a manual move. The script is basic but good. It is not a template that I have seen before, but certainly would have removed it today. I always do a post cleanup, even a complete article rebuild if the draft submission is notable. The fact it was very late last night and it mentioned revision history and some instructions meant I would have left it until morning when I was cogent. I think you would have never seen it otherwise. scope_creepTalk 14:09, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
I think long-term editors like ourselves have edited overly fatigued at least once.    I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 08:41, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

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I would like you to take a look at thisEdit

This is far beyond my own scope of Wikipedia, buy I noticed this history. You declined the notability of a draft, yet within 30 minutes, the creator of the draft seemingly over-ruled you and the article went live. I suspect this may be a pattern, but I don't know yet. Perhaps you could look at your history of evaluations and see what happens after. If I am reading everything wrong, let me know. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 02:19, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

NoticeEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Tomsmith81727 - an account solely for reverting?. Jayjg (talk) 13:43, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Jayjg: I happened to be reading the page and noticed there was some dud content that was being added and continually going back weeks it was being reverted, so I reverted it, so not really directly involved. scope_creepTalk 13:50, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
No problem, you don't need to respond there. Jayjg (talk) 14:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 May 2019Edit

AfC review request (Draft:Deqing Moganshan General Airport)Edit

@Scope creep: Hi, mind reviewing the draft I'm working on? 137.74.150.79 (talk) 13:38, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi 137.74.150.79 I've reviewed it. Pretty decent wee article. I have left a comment to provide english translation of the refs using the trans-title property to make them more readable. Hope that helps. scope_creepTalk 14:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@Scope creep:   Done, although crediting my IRL family friend Mr. Evren for the help with his mediocre Chinese-language skills. 137.74.150.79 (talk) 16:27, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
Resubmit it. scope_creepTalk 16:30, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@Scope creep:   Done too. 137.74.150.79 (talk) 16:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Le Huic‬Edit

Hi Le Huic‬, I never received your email. For some reason I dont receive them. If you want to drop me a line on here, I can give you my email directly. Hope that helps. scope_creepTalk 15:37, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

about copying signatureEdit

Hi, I really liked your sign can I copy it? with a different color? that shadow looks dope. --Siddharth 📨 19:27, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Sure, why not. scope_creepTalk 19:30, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Priyansh90Edit

Hi Scope creep, I just left an "unsourced" warning at User talk:Priyansh90, and noticed you had left an earlier warning about paid editing a couple of weeks ago, asking them to stop editing until they responded - neither of which they've done. It wasn't quite clear to me why you considered them to be a paid editor, though I haven't looked very deeply into their edit history. Do you think it's pretty certain? Should something further be done? Thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 11:41, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @IamNotU: I have looked at this several times now but cant remember what it is for. I would ignore until it resurfaces. scope_creepTalk 19:52, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks... --IamNotU (talk) 23:31, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

You deserve thisEdit

  The Cleanup Barnstar
For your extensive work in removing frivolous citations from the Hair Peace Salon article. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 04:44, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
@TheTechnician27: Thanks for that. That is very nice of you. scope_creepTalk 16:27, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, Scope Creep I just finished the job.Greetings and thanks.Edit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Patxi_Xabier_Lezama_Perier Hi, Scope Creep I just finished the job. Article is ready to be published. Greetings and thanks.--85.84.193.6 (talk) 12:39, 12 June 2019 (UTC)83.213.83.49 (talk) 23:51, 11 June 2019 (UTC) Can you remove the tag and publish the work?--85.84.193.129 (talk) 16:35, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi 85.84.193.129 that is in the mains-space. Good work on the article. How about finding some public domain or appropriately licenced images for the article regarding some of the sculptors he has made and/or an public domain image of him. scope_creepTalk 11:16, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Scope Creep, just as you asked me, I just found and add a public domain with an appropriate license for the article. Can you remove the tag and publish the work? Thank you so much.--85.85.195.81 (talk) 17:50, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I got a reply back from the editor so I have a way forward to keep it as a seed article. scope_creepTalk 18:32, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I do not understand what you mean, could you explain better?--85.85.195.81 (talk) 19:13, 17 June 2019 (UTC) I do not understand, could you explain better?.--85.85.195.81 (talk) 19:17, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Can you resubmit it please. I plan to edit it down to a smaller article with the best references. scope_creepTalk 19:38, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

I do not understand anything. First you put a label and you ask me for a link from an accredited Spanish national publication of the author, I search, find and send the corresponding link. Then you congratulate me and congratulate me for the good work and then you remove the label and publish the article thanking me for the contribution. Then you advise me a public domain with a suitable license for the article and inexplicably you put the label back. Then I surprised I go back to find and find a website with an appropriate license for the article with the content available under the appropriate CC-BY-SA-3.0 license and I added it to the article and now that it is sent again. I do not understand anything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Patxi_Xabier_Lezama_Perier#Bibliography Re-send it? I am a beginner in wikipedia, but I think you can reverse the changes and see the article as it was a few hours before putting the label, I do not think it is difficult for you a professional wikipedia. The sculptor is in wikipedia in Spanish, French, Basque, Catalan, etc ...--85.85.195.81 (talk) 19:58, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi 85.85.195.81. It is all part of the process for gettting the article for Wikipedia. Another editor has pointed out that the article needs a rewrite and there is potential for it to be deleted. So I moved it to draft so as to ensure it is not deleted. I intend to rewrite it and put it back. If you have an image please add it in. scope_creepTalk 21:55, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Scope creep, editing it in a smaller article is impossible. The editor who pointed out that the article needs a rewrite is Akerbeltz, a character for which many contributors are leaving to write in wikipedia in English and that many editors are putting complaints for editing conflicts with that person. It takes time that instead of building is dedicated to destroy in the wikipedia and people stop collaborating to avoid conflicts with this person, it is a shame but it is reality. To give you an example: Pages in category "Basque sculptors", for Akerbeltz there are only 4 Basque sculptors and it turns out that one is not even Basque but French. As many of the contributors and editors will not waste my time more on collaborating in wikipedia in English, it's not worth it. As I told you to edit the smallest article, I find it impossible when, precisely because of Akerbeltz, I had to reduce it to the minimum expression by leaving the article in a simple sentence without any interest. I suggest creating a redirect from another wikipedia page, for example from Spanish. Greetings and thanks for your interest, it's a shame that others like Akerbeltz have lost it and say it verbatim: Greatly reducing my involvement on the English Wikipedia. Too many nutters, POV pushers and Wiki lawyers without a shred of common sense and not enough people willing to stand up to them ....by the way The Basque Barnstar of National Merit does not deserve it and they should take it away. Greetings and thanks. As I say, it's not worth wasting your time with that Akerbeltz editor, it creates a redirect.--85.84.35.45 (talk) 09:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi 85.85.195.81 I wouldn't worry too much about the initial size of it. Even the smallest articles grow in Wikipedia. People see it and information appears and added; they start to grow. I have seen small article of a few hundred bytes grow to 80k in three years. scope_creepTalk 12:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Hello Scope creep, I still think that it is best to create a redirect. So that you see a clear example of the weak favor that Akerbeltz is doing to wikipedia in English and especially to Basque art and culture; Here is a list of the current Basque sculptors in Spanish wikipedia who had planned to write their biographies in this English wikipedia, but given the attitude of Akerbeltz, I do not intend to waste my time fighting against their despotism and egocentrism.--85.84.192.250 (talk) 15:08, 18 June 2019 (UTC) Category: Sculptors of the Basque Country (Categoría:Escultores del País Vasco).

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor%C3%ADa:Escultores_del_Pa%C3%ADs_Vasco


Arturo Acebal Idígoras Aitor Ruiz de Egino Ana Laura Aláez Lucas Alberdi Juan de Ancheta Andrés Nagel Andrés de Araoz Txomin Badiola Néstor Basterretxea Julio Beobide Naia del Castillo Eduardo Chillida Horacio de Eguía Carlos Elguezua Jon Mikel Euba Agustín Ibarrola Cristina Iglesias Lope de Larrea Mikel Angel Lertxundi Patxi Xabier Lezama Perier Joaquín Lucarini Matías Maestro Remigio Mendiburu Pablo Milicua Nemesio Mogrobejo Juan Luis Moraza Jorge de Oteiza Pello Irazu Javier Pérez Ricardo Ugarte Daniel Txopitea Eduardo Úrculo

As you can see the list of Basque sculptors is in the Spanish wikipedia, in the Basque wikipedia there are still many more. Greetings Scope creep. For my part, I stop making contributions to this wikipedia like many other collaborators and editors that we only want to help and only because of a perona, Akerbeltz. we abandoned this project. Greetings Scope creep.--85.84.192.250 (talk) 15:08, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure some of these folk would be notable. Jorge Oteiza This person already has an article. This person Remigio Mendiburu could probably achieve an article and has several reference in GBooks. scope_creepTalk 16:35, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

All these people are remarkable sculptor artists. You say of Remigio Mendiburu thatDo you have several references in GBooks? That does not matter to Akerbeltz, do you know that Akerbeltz is systematically erasing a book of Basque mythology from the author of the article he was writing and that book also has references in GBooks and also has references in The Royal Academy of the Basque Language (Euskaltzaindia), in the Public Reading Network of Euskadi / Library Bilbao-Mediateka BBK of Azkuna Zentroa, Dialnet, etc ... well, it does not matter to him the references to that Akerbeltz, which are also the best contrasted references that I have seen. that as I say, I will not waste my time more contributing here, looking for the best references, etc ... I already tell you that editor Akerbeltz is having several disputes and discussions with other editors who do not think like him and have put him in knowledge of the superiors, but they do not do anything to him and he gets away with it. As I say, I will not waste my time contrasting more than reputable and outstanding references or writing in wikipedia while there is this type of editors who do not reason and always has to be what he says. Greetings and thanks and you go very well.--85.84.192.250 (talk) 17:39, 18 June 2019 (UTC) As I say Never seen removing a book of Basque mythology from the Basque mythology article that is referenced in the Royal Academy of the Basque Language Euskaltzaindia ... incredible but true.<ref>{{cite web |last1=Lezama Perier |first1=Patxi Xabier |title=Euskal Mitologia |url=http://gorbeia.euskaltzaindia.eus/cgi-bin/abnetop/O7191/ID49d02563/NT1 |website=Royal Academy of the Basque Language Euskaltzaindia |publisher=Euskaltzaindia |accessdate=18 June 2019}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |last1=Lezama Perier |first1=Patxi Xabier |title=Mitologia Vasca |url=https://www.liburubila.euskadi.eus/Record/000001222429 |website=liburubila.euskadi |publisher=Liburubila |accessdate=18 June 2019}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |last1=Lezama Perier |first1=Patxi Xabier |title=Mitologia Vasca |url=https://www.katalogoak.euskadi.eus/cgi-bin_q81a/abnetclop/O9599/ID76632f1c/NT1 |website=katalogoak.euskadi |publisher=katalogoak.euskadi |accessdate=18 June 2019}}</ref><ref>{{cite web |last1=Lezama Perier |first1=Patxi Xabier |title=Basque Mythology: History of the myths and deities of the Basque mythological universe. |url=https://books.google.es/books?id=vlpZDwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y |website=GBooks |publisher=Gbooks |accessdate=18 June 2019}}</ref>Do you find few references for a book? Regards.--85.84.192.250 (talk) 18:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

This its completed. scope_creepTalk 19:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019Edit

Hello Scope creep,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.

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Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.

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Julian W. Lucas Page DeletedEdit

Hello, the page for Julian W. Lucas was just deleted due to lack of notability and not enough credible sources. Today, literally an article was just posted via the Inquirer, one of the largest most respected news sources in the country and has won 20 Pulitzer Prizes, talking about him, his accomplishments, and his notability. The article literally has in the title that he is one of the first an only one armed models. https://www.inquirer.com/news/julian-w-lucas-tommy-hilfiger-model-actor-comedian-one-arm-from-bucks-county-20190703.html It's one of many articles done about him that are about him and not a trivial mention and are considered "Reliable" just as the Wikipedia guidelines are stated. These are also independent sources. According to the Wikipedia guidelines, Notability is defined as "For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice or "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" within Wikipedia as a written account of that person's life. "Notable" in the sense of being famous or popular—although not irrelevant—is secondary. " As he is one of the only one armed models ever, and is legitimately successful, documented, and followed, he clearly falls under the definition of Notability, being "worthy of notice" "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" as it is literally being done from various news outlets. I would like to be able to recreate the deleted Wikipedia article and have it successfully stay published as he is clearly deserving of one, and is clearly eligible based off of the current Wikipedia Guidelines. Livewire123 (talk) 18:43, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Livewire123: I know how you feel, but at the moment he is simply not notable. My first article was deleted and it peeved me off to say the least after spending 2 hours. He may become notable as time passes. scope_creepTalk 14:29, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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Bryan Hall (Washington State University)Edit

Hi Scope creep. I added a few sources to the page and moved the existing ones into relevant places within the paragraphs. This is my first article and I'm not really sure what happens now - do I resubmit, or...? Thanks TonalThomas (talk) 14:10, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi @TonalThomas: The article is in better nick than it was before. Find a reference for the history section re:speakers and then resubmit and I'll post it to main-space. scope_creepTalk 14:28, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
I've added those sources and resubmitted. Thanks for your help!TonalThomas (talk) 15:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Christopher M. S. JohnsEdit

Johns holds a named chair at Vanderbilt University, so he meets notability via WP:PROF #5. I am myself not a fan of WP:PROF in general or this criterion in particular, and the draft has, of course, other problems, but "notability" technically isn't one of them. Huon (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Huon: How are you? Yip it is a named chair, very prestigious and eminently notable, but the problem with the article is that there is no sources worth talking about, so notability hasn't been proved. scope_creepTalk 12:40, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't see how "eminently notable" and "notability hasn't been proved" can both be correct. Are you saying it hasn't been proved that he holds a named chair? Regarding the lack of secondary sources, that is, of course, a problem, but that's a different problem, and it would have been more helpful for the author to leave more specific feedback. Huon (talk) 20:06, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Hi Huon. It is not a dichotomy and not mutually exclusive. He holds a named chair, but it must proven. There must be sources to establish notability per WP:V, so it is technically correct that notability has not been established here on Wikipedia. 100 years up the road, the only things that will be left to prove that he is a named chair is a page or two in archive entry and this entry. The guy is in orbit and anybody of that standing you would expect to see about a dozen or more good sources to establish every facet of their life. Any academics life is built on collaboration, so there should be a tremendous amount of concomitant information on him. When I looked at it, I did check the editor but he wasn't coming back, otherwise I would left some instructions. I do regularly leave instructions if I think they're keen to work on it. So many editors just dump the article and don't come back. I don't plan to leave it in there. It will need rescued as the editor is not coming back and I plan to do it now. scope_creepTalk 20:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Why was it revdel'd? scope_creepTalk 20:44, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, they did come back (or more precisely, they came to the IRC help channel) after the draft was rejected. They might want to work on it some more. I told them that published reviews of his work might be helpful, so with any luck they'll improve the draft. As I said above, I fully agree on the sources issue; in fact, one of the two doesn't even mention him, and some content was copy-pasted from his own "faculty" page; I got rid of that and revdel'd the copyright-infringing revisions. You can find the explanation in the logs, too. Huon (talk) 20:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
That's good. Yip. I would never have known that help was requested. Its completely transparent. You may need to look some way of sending a notification to the reviewing editor that help has been requested, so they can get into gear. The reviewing editor is at the sharp end and are the best folk to expedite any help, when they are in the context, so to speak. I could have offered another ref as a get go.: CV. There is more. scope_creepTalk 21:05, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Bracell LimitedEdit

The consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bracell Limited was redirect to Sateri. Please start a WP:RfD if you want to change the consensus . Matthew hk (talk) 10:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Matthew hk: I'm cool, but not different industries? I havent looked at it in weeks. scope_creepTalk 12:43, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Booky OrenEdit

Please help booky oren getting his entry inside wikipedi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Booky_Oren — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.203.37.197 (talk) 14:49, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Teamwork Barnstar
I was doubtful that the original article for Roland SP-606 I started was going to be reviewed anytime soon, so I had a duplicate on hand.

Overall, I greatly appreciate your time and response regarding this matter, and I hope this "Barnstar" actually amount to some kind of significance in the long run. LonerXL (talk) 00:35, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Heinz PannwitzEdit

No worries, let me try again.... Fiachra10003 (talk) 20:42, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Fiachra10003: I put most of your stuff in, apart from pieces of text. scope_creepTalk 20:50, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

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RfA processEdit

Hey, Scope creep! I didn't want to muddy the waters at RfA talk when you'd asked for very general feedback. Are you talking about secret ballot, set terms with regular re-elections, no votes counted until the vote is over, simple majority rather than consensus? I assume you're taking into account that admins operate here as enforcers of rules. Some jurisdictions vote for judges and prosecutors, a few for sheriffs, but often they're appointed by elected officials. And does anyone vote for police officers? So I'd almost think it would need to be an indirect process -- that is, we elect our representatives and rely on our representatives to make appointments. --valereee (talk) 12:34, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Valereee: None of that. Transparency is really important. Consensus is important as well, but the time frame is important as well. The number of admin that are being accepted is the critical part and the lack thereof. One person per vote is massively inefficient. The reason I asked for feedback is that don't know how the WP:RFA process got started and how/if it can be changed. i don't know enough about it. I think it is incredibly wasteful of time, good candidates are turned away by dodgy voting and it scares a lot a people away from it in the first place, because it doesn't address the nature of administration. It is administration. But the primary problem is we not getting a large block of folk through it on per yearly basis. I plan to write a essay so I can bring it all together. scope_creepTalk 17:47, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Gotcha. Glad I didn't ask there and possibly create silly offtopicness! --valereee (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 July 2019Edit

Thank you for feedback Felix VelardeEdit

Thank you for the input and feedback - very helpful - we'll adjust the text accordingly. Please note, we are not being paid to edit the page and do not have a conflict of interest. We have removed all of the unreferenced elements of text. We will keep the awards as the Drum is one of the top 3 design and marketing publications in the UK (the European hub for creativity).

Jhoward734 (talk) 13:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@Jhoward734: Thanks for getting back to me. The Drum awards are for the company and this is a BLP article, so they won't be staying as they are non notable and only indirectly linked to the subject. You can post and Rfc, but it wont be favour of your view. It is promotion and awards must be won by the person. The link to the famous architect is a good knowledge, if you have a ref for. scope_creepTalk 13:58, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
@Scope creep: Thank you for your clarifications. I have edited the new information to be more relevant to the guidelines of BLP articles. Jhoward734 ([[User talk:|talk]]) 11:20, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@Jhoward734: That is still promotional. Blp article are written from the viewpoint of the past. So if your talking about services, then what services they offered in the past. Your saying He has an interested in company scale-ups Thats is promotional, advertising his business and it is talking about the present. Also you seem to be pushing the exact same sentence over and over again. You say your not being paid, but it is indicative of you being paid or least have a conflict of interest. I plan to post you to the coin boards. scope_creepTalk 11:33, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
@Jhoward734: I've posted it. They'll look at it and see if it is promotional and if not it will go back in. scope_creepTalk 11:59, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

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Your !voteEdit

I'm trying really really hard not to badger anyone who !votes at the RfA, but you're the first I'm replying to directly, because your neutral opinion sounds like a support - and it confused me. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:00, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

I thought I hadn't posted it as it was mixed message. I'll get rid of it. scope_creepTalk 16:18, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Fair enough. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 08:09, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Disruptive editingEdit

You are stalking my edits and undoing them for ludicrous reasons. Get a grip on yourself and start editing productively. Lqqhh (talk) 15:01, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Lqqhh You took out a notable piece of information from FA article without consensus thereby breaking the FA criteria, particularly since anybody with a military hobby, watched a tv series on the war, read some books on it, would know it was famous. You've added a date range into a lede, which a no-no generally, usually discussed into the body of an article and you have still not added a reference into a section. Your editing is really decent so why not add a reference into the article. I looked for one and couldn't find a thing. It puzzles me why your not putting one in? I'm starting to think there is some other reason, that perhaps you found the information on a blog. Although I hate adding warnings to a decent editor, if you can't follow the normal rules of discussion. If you keep going your own way you will be blocked. Lastly when warnings are issued, an entry is made is made into a category which is monitored by administrators. So clearing the talk page, which is a known tactic to hide warning, doesn't work. scope_creepTalk 15:14, 17 August 2019 (UTC)
Strikethrough that content. I know you never added it, but it still should referenced when updated, otherwise Wikipedia wouldn't be updated. scope_creepTalk 16:15, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

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Review Lemma Geo VerbanckEdit

Thanks for reviewing the draft and for your comments. As requested I added a number of references and links.

Hope this is OK for publishing. Still working to find more references in English publications. Most of the references are in Dutch or French.

JAN52 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JAN52 (talkcontribs) 07:05, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@JAN52: Coolio. It is ok if the reference are in a foreign language. Half the references I put in are in German. I'll try and find some as well. If there are still some bits or sections are unreferenced, they can be pulled before it is published. They can always be added in later, as time passed more references are added, the article will grom the section can go back in. Gallery is really cool. scope_creepTalk 09:20, 20 August 2019 (UTC)


I added a number of links and references. Could you please tell if the article is now ok for publication? Thanks for your help! JAN52 (talk) 14:40, 17 September 2019 (UTC)JAN52

Your submission at Articles for creation: Toyonishi Group has been acceptedEdit

Toyonishi Group, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

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The Signpost: 30 August 2019Edit

Campaign to Electrify Britain's RailwaysEdit

GRALISTAIR (talk) 13:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC) Hey you rejected my article Campaign to Electrify Britain's Railways on August 20th. Since then I have made quite a few changes at your suggestion. Would you mind taking a quick look to see if you think I am heading in the right direction please? GRALISTAIR (talk) 13:31, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Yip will do. scope_creepTalk 13:32, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi @GRALISTAIR: It is much better. Can you provide a reference for the minister in the lede and then resubmit. scope_creepTalk 14:28, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC) thanks very much - done as you suggested - also resubmitted. Very grateful for your help. Hope other will improve further GRALISTAIR (talk) 15:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019Edit

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Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.

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Retaining the page - Sangramsingh ThakurEdit

Dear Scope Creep

Please do not delete this page, I am constantly working on this page and other pages. In the coming days, I will add more information related to this page and I will continue to support my work on Wikipedia, so I request you not to delete this page and give me a chance to do more work on this page. Thank you--Romeonew (talk) 16:53, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 September 2019Edit

Aaron LaPedis Article EditsEdit

I removed any semblance of promotional language and added ISBNs for the book sources. Thanks!

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GA candidateEdit

I don't want to pester you, but are you still working on Talk:Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom/GA1? SpinningSpark 14:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry @Spinningspark: It slipped my mind. I've have been busy off site and barely been doing any work onsite. Will restart it again tonight or tommorrow. scope_creepTalk 15:26, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Carajou's arguably disruptive comments in deletion discussionsEdit

Hi Scope creep, I noticed that you and I both warned user Carajou on the same day with respective to potentially disruptive comments on our respective AfD discussions. Looking at his or her Special:Contributions/Carajou, he or she seems to post the same sort of irrelevant links to Bing searches on multiple AfD discussions. I can't find where to check his or her IP as I've encountered similar problems with Eliko007 and wanted to confirm if there was a potential WP:Sockpuppet. Do you think it's worth raising an issue together in some venue, other than or in the Administrators' noticeboard?

Hi @Dmehus: There behavior at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/NewtonX, Inc. (2nd nomination) I found to be a bit unusual. I've posted the whole thing up to WP:COI. It is worth singning your comment with four titles like ~~~~ scope_creepTalk 02:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Scope creep, That's unfortunate. It's sooo disruptive. I wondered if maybe they had edited some articles and had their articles AfDed so they maybe though they'd try and disrupt AfD processes? Thanks for the reminder re: my signature. Doesn't a bot usually auto-sign comments if you forget, or do they not check user talk spaces? Doug Mehus (talk) 02:24, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
Yip scope_creepTalk

Dan WagnerEdit

Hi Scope Creep. I was adding stuff from published major newspapers and including Wagner's new company Rezolve and two other big companies that are not even mentioned - Attraqt plc and Venda - which was sold to Oracle. It seems very odd to not include those companies when they represent so much of Wagner's life

Also, there has been a lot of news in the London Times about his latest company Rezolve which needed adding and cannot have been there two years ago....

finally, everything i just added (its taken an hour!) is all from highly reputable sources - Wall Street Journal, PC World, The Times, The Telegraph, etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.248.18.228 (talk) 15:37, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi 89.248.18.228. Good to talk to you. Two years ago the article was copy-edited and article consensus was reached with Request for Comment that decided all the oracle related stuff is non-notable and your trying to add it back in and turning the clock back four years. It is clear you've been paid to write this. Declare your a paid editor per WP:PAID and WP:DISCLOSURE and make an Wikipedia:Edit requests on the talk page, where it will be checked. No doubt a good chunk of it will go in, but the puff with stay out. scope_creepTalk 15:47, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Request on 16:01:51, 14 October 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by BlueCheese2Edit


Hi, I took a stab at adding some book references to Draft:USB3_Vision. Please let me know if this now meets the notability requirements.

BlueCheese2 (talk) 16:01, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @BlueCheese2: I promoted it to main-space, copy-edited it up a bit, added a reference and a tag to add categories. Hope that helps. scope_creepTalk 16:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

GA reviewingEdit

Thanks again for reviewing Electrical telegraphy in the United Kingdom. That was very much appreciated. As you have taken such a detailed interest in it, perhaps you would like to follow it on the path to FA, on which I intend to take it? If you're not interested, please say, otherwise I'll give you a ping when it's up for review.

I think you mentioned that this was your first review of a GA. I thought I should come here and give you some advice – in the spirit of helpfulness rather than criticism. You would be unwise to review all GAs to the extent you have with this article. Many editors will become upset if you start asking for changes outside the GA criteria. You could have even got a response like that from me if it wasn't for the FA potential of this page. Wikipedia:What the Good article criteria are not is a useful essay on common mistakes in this regard. My personal approach is to only include things outside the criteria if they are likely uncontroversial and quick fixes. Uncontroversial will usually mean that it is recommended in a guideline. Anything else I studiously ignore. If the nominator declines to do any of the out-of-scope issues, then I just pass it anyway without comment. Telling them they are wrong just generates bad feeling. Another approach I have seen from some editors is to list the GA issues that determine whether the article passes or fails, and separately create a list of suggestions for further work. One approach I wouldn't recommend (but I have seen a lot of reviewers do it) is to run through the article themselves with a copyedit before starting the review. Unless you know the editor, and know what they are going to find controversial, that method has the potential to start a dispute before the review has even begun. SpinningSpark 16:34, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

i jumped the gun a bit. I have a message which I was going to post at 4 saw there was another message. I plan to. scope_creepTalk 16:37, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

BaoFeng UV-5REdit

Hi, can you please read the talk page of this page, and remove to speedy deletion template if the explanation is sufficient? Thanks. Otherwise, let me know what should be changed. See [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Initramfs (talkcontribs) 16:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Initramfs: It fails WP:PRODUCT and doesn't have a originating article that proves its notable. scope_creepTalk 16:29, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Scope creep: I do not think that the *company* BaoFeng is notable. However, I do think this specific product of BaoFeng is notable, which is possible according to the page you linked: "Note that a specific product or service may be notable on its own, without the company providing it being notable in its own right." Initramfs (talk) 16:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
True, but I don't think it is notable. It needs to be inordinately popular product to make it on here and it needs prove it. Four or five small references won't cut it. WP is not product listing site generally. You can contest it if you want to and then it will go to an Afd. I would suggest that. scope_creepTalk 16:43, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
@Scope creep: How do I contest it? BaoFeng does not release their sales numbers (of course), but this particular model has thousands of reviews just on Amazon for a single listing, it has been sold through different channels (especially Chinese web shops). This model is also the base of a lot of other radios under different brands. [2] [3]
There is a button on the front the dialog. Supply a reason. scope_creepTalk 17:08, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
@Scope creep: Hmm, I already did it before, but now there are two different entries. I think the explanation is a sufficient proof that the product is notable. Anyway, can I ping someone apart from you to review this entry in the talk page? Initramfs (talk) 17:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi Initramfs, ask an administrator for help. Bbb23 is pretty decent. Post a message, see what they say about it. If the speedy is rejected I plan to take it to Afd. scope_creepTalk 17:25, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
@Initramfs: I've sent it to Afd, see what they make of it. scope_creepTalk 19:48, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Bonin BoughEdit

Hi @Scope creep: and @Onel5969:. I updated the user page to include a paid disclosure. I definitely don't meet the test in a traditional sense but I think it's easier to simply disclose a conflict rather than face immediate assumptions at every turn. :)

On to the topic of Bonin Bough. My understanding of the situation is that he does meet WP:NOTABILITY, but some of the sources are "paid for" -- as you put it (scope) and "PR pieces" (One15969). It's (truly, truly) a serious accusation to claim a publication is paid off without disclosure but setting that aside for a moment, the articles that support his notability are:

  • Fast Company |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • The Guardian |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • Adage |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • PBS |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • PR Week |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • American Inno |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|

Mashable |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|

  • EMarketer |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • C-suite Quarterly |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • The Drum |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • [Salon (website)]] |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • Foodbeast |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • Cleveland.com |in depth = no|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • Page Six |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • Fortune |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|
  • Forbes |in depth = yes|different journalist than other publications = yes|

And there are others. Many others. The journalists who wrote at each are all different. And of course there are multiple articles at each publication. I itemized "in depth" and also "different journalist" above so we don't run the risk of the same writer at more than one publication covering Bonin.

Intuitively, the youngest black man at a Fortune 50 -- not 500 -- in the C-suite seems fitting for a page given the volume of coverage on him. One who was a host for a whole season of a show on CNBC seems even more of a shoe in.

Further, a comparison to "peers" who are on Wikipedia yields hundreds if not thousands of subjects with far, far less coverage. Like embarrassingly less. Here's just one the Wiki tools directed me to for first edits to "help" Allison Kugel. I can find thousands of others. :)

So tell me, what am I missing? Would you reconsider if I redrafted this without an accolades section, shorted it way up, tersely, and stuck to just a few lines of facts on him supported by the sources above?

full listEdit

  • "Why Bonin Bough Left Mondelez To Help Shepherd Small Businesses With LeBron James". Fast Company. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Exploring the growth of branded content and native advertising". The Guardian. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Bonin Bough on His Next Gig and the Future of CPG". AdAge. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Generation like". PBS. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Bonin Bough departs Mondelez". PR Week. Retrieved 19 October 2019.
  • "Cleveland Hustles: Meet Bonin Bough, the Host of Cleveland Hustles". CNBC. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "This Marketing Guru Says You Should Focus on a 'Coalition of the Willing'". Entrepreneur. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Bonin Bough: Mobile Mogul and Disruptor's Past, Present, and Future". CSQ magazine. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Bough looks to the East for inspiration". PR Week. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Bonin Bough has left Mondelez". AdAge. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Inside Gatorade's Social Media Command Center". Mashable. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "PepsiCo10 Winners Announced: Includes Two Boston Startups". American Inno. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "An Interview with B. Bonin Bough". emarketer. Retrieved 19 October 2019.
  • "Bonin Bough: mobile has become society's crystal meth". Campaign Live. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Mondelez launches content deal with BuzzFeed within new marketing model". Campaign Live. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Bonin Bough talks his new hosting gig, the future of messaging apps and today's media landscape". The Drum. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Mondelez Pairs Brands With 2013 Class of Mobile Futures Startups". Brand Channel. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "I have seen the future of retail and it looks like an oreo". Salon. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Oreo's Dunk in the Dark Super Bowl tweet 'a huge win' and 'a huge failure' states Mondelez digital chief". The Drum. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Marketers Jump on Super Bowl Blackout With Real-Time Twitter Campaigns". AdAge. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "This Year's SXSW Has a Vending Machine That Makes 3D Printed Oreos". Food Beast. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "At SXSW, taste testing 3D-printed Oreos". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "How Bonin Bough pivoted from marketing guru to reality tv host". Fast Company. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "LeBron James investing 'time and influence' in 'Cleveland Hustles'". Cleveland.com. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "CNBC's 'Cleveland Hustles' launching spin-off series". Page Six. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "How This Mobile Marketer Dominated His Field". Entrepreneur. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Advertising Hall of Achievement". American Advertising Federation. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "40 Under 40: Bonin Bough". Fortune. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Most Creative People: B. Bonin Bough". Fast Company. Retrieved 18 October 2019.
  • "Power List 2012: Bonin Bough". PR Week. Retrieved 18 October 2019.

Respectfully and sincerely here. SilvanJo (talk) 17:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @SilvanJo: Thanks for that and getting back to me. I think that article is in draft. Its a redirect, ok. The reason it was posted was that most of the reference are from paid for work. It becomes very easy over years of doing NPP review and AFC review to see articles that have been paid for and have really dodgy references like this article. To make the article work, I would suggest WP:THREE sources, which are good WP:SECONDARY references that are independent and in-depth about him and only him. I would suggest creating a draft and start with the Guardian reference. Hope that helps. scope_creepTalk 17:34, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
It is worth pointing out that paid work is good if the editor declares and the work is high quality. scope_creepTalk 17:36, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. It goes without saying that probably his page should be maybe 200 words and not 800+. While notable, he's not Kissinger. Back to your question on the three:

These are the three least suspicious articles that explain the core reason he's notable, too: "best known for hosting CNBC's Cleveland Hustles and as a Fortune 50 CMO. I don't think race (he's black and that's very rare for C-suite execs at Fortune 50) or "paying" for articles had so much to do with all of the coverage -- so much as simply some creative campaigns like "you can still dunk in the dark" for Oreos. And pointedly -- there's just no way he paid for an editor at Fast Company to write a feature on him. CNBC, too. That's just absurd. That said, regarding the Wiki page itself, I do think avoiding any editorializing, any promotion nonsense, and keep it very straightforward, you have a good page here that adds value to the community and puts Wikipedia first. SilvanJo (talk) 19:14, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @SilvanJo: References really shouldn't be suspicious. The ideal secondary is from a newspaper or an book. The first two references are video and not ideal as as references. The second guardian reference is media-network-blog/ is a blog ref and is unsuitable. The fast company article is tiny and its intellectually independent and in-depth.scope_creepTalk 18:36, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks -- I only started with Guardian because you mentioned it.

  • 1. You wrote regarding Fast Company its intellectually independent and in-depth. Is it safe to say that's one of the three?

There's a second, full spread piece in Fast Company at [4] -- and the print version is five pages long. Elizabeth Segran, again, staff -- has very clear editorial oversight over her.

  • 2. Number two would then be reliable source CNBC, at Exec Bonin Bough... (written by Zack Guzman, now PM Anchor @YahooFinance -- with clear editorial oversight at CNBC at the time)

and

Are we satisfied on these three? Because I can go on and on -- there is The Drum written by staff [8] and Entrepreneur, Forbes, and Financial Times beyond that. SilvanJo (talk) 02:48, 22 October 2019 (UTC) SilvanJo (talk)

Made Changes to ArticleEdit

Hello,I made all the changes to draft:Aaron Lapedis that you mentioned, is there anything else I should change to have it approved? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by BnBatchelor (talkcontribs) 16:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

@BnBatchelor: Supply references that are WP:SECONDARY. As it stands at the moment it won't pass draft. scope_creepTalk 18:38, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Your help desk questionEdit

You didn't get a response to this question. Did you find what you were looking for? I don't really understand the question since I haven't worked with math-related articles.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Vchimpanzee: If you have a look at the talk page of user:BetterMath and regarding the article Relative likelihood. It regards the term itself, Relative likelihood, was originally in bold all over the article. I thought bolding wasn't used for the name of a mathematical function in an article, nor italics. However BetterMath converted the name relative likelihood into italics. The fundamental question is supposed in Italics or is it bold. I don't think it is anything. The function is left as a plain name. Thanks for coming back. scope_creepTalk 20:57, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Aaron LeuppEdit

Thanks for stepping in with that reversion! Schazjmd (talk) 16:02, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I've reported the IP at AIV and requested page protection for the article. I'm going to give it a bit of time for (hopefully) the IP to blocked before reverting again, otherwise it's just whack-a-mole.Schazjmd (talk) 19:04, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Schazjmd: Indeed, it gets a bit ridiculous after a while. I posted a note to Alexf. They are very keen to keep it. After it is gone they will recreate it by a new, perhaps a middle initial, perhaps in draft, so keep watch. scope_creepTalk 19:09, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Yet oddly enough, they're not defending it at the AFD discussion! Thanks for the warning, I'll keep an eye on new page creation. Appreciate your help on this! Schazjmd (talk) 19:13, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

BREdit

If you really are a fan of Bertrand Russell, it would behove you to remove your pseudoscientific Myer-Briggs score. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:20CD:573D:257B:CFFB (talk) 16:23, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Loch Long, HighlandsEdit

Thank you for the comment concerning Loch Long, Highlands. I'm not sure why coordinates would point to the end of a body of water. However, I have on occasion pointed them toward a center point that actually was outside a body of water with a very irregular shape. In most cases, I try to use my best guess in placing coordinates. While there is undoubtedly a way to mathematically find a shape's center, most water bodies expand with rains, tides, etc., and contract in dry periods, so calculating most centres, lengths and widths is not an exact science. Bill Pollard (talk) 22:14, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Wpollard: In that case you shouldn't really do that, particularly if its UK loch or lake or land feature, e.g a bay. In the long run its better to keep then synced with the Ordnance Survey coordinates, which is the most importance geographic dataset in the UK. Your stab at coords when they are already available, are probably wrong, now that I've thought about it. You have got for Loch long at Coord|57|17|53|N|5|29|21.2|W| when the coords are actually at 57°18'46.1"N 5°27'45.3"W. The only people that update these maps are the Ordnance Survey in the UK, so when you putting in your own coords, your making the geographic dataset that is available on Wikipedia a secondary source, a lesser data source by definition. The Wikipedia geographic dataset is available as a download and it needs to be in sync with the ordinance survey or its useless. To find the coords for place in Google or Bing put in Loch long highland getoutside, turns up [[9]]. At the moment I'm putting in Scottish lochs and bays. I have done about 40 so far and plan to do them all. I now plan to go around and update all the ones you've incorrectly updated. I'm sorry about that. scope_creepTalk 22:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
I thought I had a ton of work in front of me. That cool. Sorry about that. scope_creepTalk 22:57, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Actually, I have changed very few coordinates in Britain. For Britain, I will go by what the ordinance survey uses, if they have something. In many places in the world, there are no coordinates and I have corrected coordinates that I have found wrong. I will try to find where in Britain I may have changed coordinates and change them back, but I know at most only a few places would be involved. I regret having caused anyone problems. Please accept my apology. Bill Pollard (talk) 19:22, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
You may have noticed that I added a lake infobox, as this loch is listed under WikiProject Lakes (although it is not truly a lake). I have been going through the 'stubs' list of the Lakes project and adding information to articles to improve them. This has been quite fascinating, as lakes, swamps, parks containing lakes, dried lakebeds and even water bodies connected to seas and oceans are included in this project. Bill Pollard (talk) 19:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curatedEdit

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Hi Scope creep, first, thanks for all you on WP, especially at NPP. A few months back (maybe as many as 12), it was decided at NPP that articles which were either prodded or speedied shouldn't be reviewed until the prod/speedy had been determined. AfD's are okay, but not the other two. Onel5969 TT me 19:14, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Onel5969: I've been doing that all week. I'll give it a swerve. Thanks for updating me. scope_creepTalk 19:20, 23 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I used to do it as well. No worries. Onel5969 TT me 23:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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RipoffEdit

The article ripoff, although badly written, has been there for a while. I don't think a speedy delete draftify is appropriate. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:44, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Adrienne AlexanderEdit

The same applies as to ripoff. The article has been around for a while, and I can see no justification for speedily removing it from mainspace. The appropriate venue is WP:AFD. Please revert yourself, especially since the first to move it was a blocked sock, and you are restoring his edits. If you can point to a guideline which allows this, we can discuss it there. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:32, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

See Wikipedia talk:Drafts#WP:DRAFTIFY. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Per WP:DRAFTIFY, I'm objecting. Please restore the article to mainspace. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 17:59, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Draft:The Albanian Great DoorsEdit

Hi. Draft:The Albanian Great Doors just came up for WP:G13, which I fixed. I see you were interested in this last year. Did you make any progress? It's an obviously well-written article, so I don't want to see it get lost. But, nobody seems to be able to find any information about it, so I don't want to accept it into mainspace, so there's a WP:V problem. For all I know, it's a hoax. That, plus the neutrality template somebody dropped on it. Any thoughts on this? -- RoySmith (talk) 19:11, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @RoySmith: It's been a while since I looked at it, unfortunately. I think it a translation of an Albanian Wikipedia article. When I first saw it, a did some research and found out it was talking about the Albanian merchant class. I posted a note up to a reference desk looking for an Albanian expert who could perhaps copyedit it, tidy it up and make it more recognisably English, but nothing came of it. I don't know if maybe want to find another expert. It certainly looks like a decent article and lot of work has gone into it to try an align the Wikipedia article with the English Wikipedia. Unfortunately the editor has dissapeared. scope_creepTalk 20:27, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
As I started digging into this again, I discovered I had asked about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albania#Need help reviewing some drafts a year ago and got discouraging input. Do you remember if you ever found anything that used the term "Great Door" in this context? It's weird that I can find absolutely nothing. My hunch is that "Great Door" may be some weird auto-mis-translation. Google translate gives "Dyert e Medha Shqiptare" -> "Great Albanian Doors", and "Oxhaqet e Medhenj Shqiptare" -> "Large Albanian Chimneys". Maybe I'll just G13 it after all, but I figured I'd give it one last shot to see if I could make any sense of it. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:39, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @RoySmith: I think it was the best thing for it. It has to be in context, in the language we're speaking and verifiable, and it only partially fit that. On top of that two separate attempts, to try and understand it, is a lot for a draft particularly if you can't make any headway.scope_creepTalk 18:04, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

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AfDEdit

Thanks for clearing this up - no hard feelings! WJ94 (talk) 13:51, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Besnik Sulaj editEdit

  Besnik Sulaj edit
We are reaching you out about one warning we have received from you. This is not right as we are adding the information based on fact and not promotion. AnxFab (talk) 09:06, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi @AnxFab: Unfortunately that individual is not notable. I reviewed it as part of the NPP process. There is some minor coverage but not nearly enough to create an article. I did do a good search. The only thing I could find was his association with a football team and it was only that association that brought the name up. There is nothing else, no bio information at all. He may be mentioned in Wikipedia in several places as has several million other people, but that doesn't make him notable. I would suggest creating a draft on other Bulgarian subject or individual. Bulgaria is under represented on Wikipedia and there is lot of articles that could be created. I will remove that tag. scope_creepTalk 09:22, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Besnik SulajEdit

  Besnik Sulaj
What do you think for Saimir Mane? How is possible that he has two wikipedia article:

https://sq.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Mane https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Mane

Besnik Sulaj has the same possition like Saimir Mane in Albania. He is a businessman and he has opened dfferent business as we have mentionet to Wikipedia Page. i don't know who is your purpose? AnxFab (talk) 09:30, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorry @AnxFab:, I meant to say Albanian. That was a bit crass. scope_creepTalk 12:31, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

"targeted individual", change yes, but better prepared next time.Edit

'targeted individual'Edit

Hi. Thank you for your correction. I just jumped in, because the subject is important to me and I believe that the official view (New York Times etc. citing psychologists) leads astray. I will try to present something better prepared next time. Kurt1703 (talk) 14:00, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Edit on Ace of CoinsEdit

Hi, you reverted the change I made on Ace of Coins. The change I'm reverting happened years ago, the website you linked clearly copied it from Wikipedia. You are the third person who has made this mistake, please let the change stick. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.191.87.59 (talk) 19:06, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

The ZWNBSP pageEdit

Today I converted the ZWNBSP page from a redirect page (to WJ) to a disambiguation page; you rejected this edit because I did not provide references. I have thanked your edit. In Unicode, FEFF is still called ZWNBSP, even though usage as ZWNBSP has been deprecated in favor of the equivalent WJ. Here are some rationales of why I considered this change to be fit:

  • The WJ character is not called "ZWNBSP" but it functions as the zero-width non-breaking space. Therefore, it is 'functionally' a ZWNBSP.
  • Unicode continues to refer to FEFF as "ZWNBSP" even though it is now meant as the BOM. Users who search up "ZWNBSP" will now be able to know both code points.
  • ZWNBSP is now used as BOM, yet WJ is used as ZWNBSP space.

Here are two references:

  • Arabic Presentation Forms-B: FEFF is the ZWNBSP codepoint; it has also been called "special" and that "use as an indication of non-breaking is deprecated" in favor of WJ.
  • [10]: BOM is even called the "old" name of ZWNBSP.

--MULLIGANACEOUS-- (talk) 21:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @MULLIGANACEOUS: That information is partially represented in Word joiner article. It would be better if that article was updated as ZWNBSP is deprecated, which doesn't make it non-notable but there is really no point in duplicating information. The whole point of redirects it to enable the reader to find the subject. When you remove the redirect it makes it harder particularly in the light of having a partial definition in the Word joiner. At the same time WP is not a Faq, nor a howto, nor a manual and no point in list deprecated unicode character that nobody is going to search on. scope_creepTalk 21:21, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
OK. It would be good that a user searching up for a "non-breaking space of zero width" ends up on the WJ space because the WJ space has the same whitespace properties as ZWNBSP; that is likely the primary audience. It is rather interesting why Unicode refers the name "ZWNBSP" almost exclusively to FEFF. The fact that ZWNBSP specifically refers to FEFF in Unicode provides the motivation of why I converted the ZWNBSP page into a disambiguation. --MULLIGANACEOUS-- (talk) 21:41, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: The Aninyang Mirror Theory (October 31)Edit

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Bonin Bough (round 2)Edit

Thanks -- I only started with Guardian because you mentioned it.

  • 1. You wrote regarding Fast Company its intellectually independent and in-depth. Is it safe to say that's one of the three?

There's a second, full spread piece in Fast Company at [11] -- and the print version is five pages long. Elizabeth Segran, again, staff -- has very clear editorial oversight over her.

  • 2. Number two would then be reliable source CNBC, at Exec Bonin Bough... (written by Zack Guzman, now PM Anchor @YahooFinance -- with clear editorial oversight at CNBC at the time)

and

Are we satisfied on these three? Because I can go on and on -- there is The Drum written by staff [15] and Entrepreneur, Forbes, and Financial Times beyond that.SilvanJo (talk) 20:23, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi @SilvanJo: Have a go at creating an article in draft at WP:AFC. An independent reviewer will take a look at it and evaluate it. It is probably the best approach. I must admit it is borderline for me. There is a fair amount of coverage which I have seen in the last several months as being able to pass WP:SIGCOV but it is tenuous. The economist has a reference about, its small but it is the economist. scope_creepTalk 20:26, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply and lucid opinion. SilvanJo (talk) 22:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Non-diffusing categoriesEdit

Just a friendly message in connection with your recent good-faith edit on Louise Dittmar. You replaced Category:German philosophers by Category:German women philosophers. It's important to keep the master category when using a non-diffusing category, many of which are used in connection with women. You many remember the outcry a few years ago when there were complaints that women no longer appeared in category lists of American artists. I think I've taken care of the problem.--Ipigott (talk) 13:47, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ipigott, Yip I remember it clearly. I will keep it in mind in the future and the article I'm doing now. Thanks for reminding me. I think I'll need to go and look at all the rest of the articles I've completed on women. scope_creepTalk 13:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Notable PersonEdit

  Notable Person
As we can not create an article for Besnik Sulaj, which is a known businessman in Albania, please can you give me more details how is this possible for this person to be online on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Mane He has same background as Besnik Sulaj and you have allowed it to be onlien. Just be fair for all the users. AnxFab (talk) 11:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @AnxFab: He has some coverage in major daily Albanian newspapers which helps. It not is lot, there is a good two or three references. Coverage is WP:SIGCOV. Your man was quite obscure and failed WP:BASIC. Your obviously very keen to get your man Wikipedia. Are you being paid to do this?scope_creepTalk 13:49, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Women in RedEdit

Glad to see you're now a member of Women in Red. I know you are pretty good at writing biographies but in connection with women, you might find it useful to look through our Ten Simple Rules. Please let me know if you run into any problems or need assistance. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Notable PersonEdit

@Scope creep Also we have entered the article where is mentioned his name. These were newspaper article also. What is your purpose for your question? What is the difference, this person is notable and needed to have a wikipedia like all the businessman on all the countries. AnxFab

Hi AnxFab. There is no criteria or policy that states that a businessmen must be in Wikipedia. Have you read the notability policies at all? Start with reading WP:BIO and WP:BLP. It is all in there. Here is the statement, at the beginning of the article. People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other and independent of the subject. Here is WP:SECONDARY. That is also essential reading and is everything that Wikipedia encompasses.

To get it down to basics it must be a person or group talking about you to some other person or group, in detail, who are independent of you and do not know you within that context. scope_creepTalk 15:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

@AnxFab: Does that definition at the end make sense? scope_creepTalk
@Scope creep:. No I am not clear as you have delted all our information when we have add all the article and we have met your criteria. I am not clear about your criteria.

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Oda SchottmüllerEdit

No arugment, I didn't realize that was a blog I was referencing. But she was guillotined. A fact and there are RS on that. And an execution is a judicious murder. Same thing just not as aesthetic as saying "executed". Hitler did not execute millions of people he murdered them, he and his minions.Oldperson (talk) 22:28, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Oldperson: How are you? I read your user page. I hope your making progress!! I put your sentence in and plan to use it in several other articles on that type. The ref that is on the page should cover it. The book is very detailed. It was murder. no doubt about it. I knew she guillotined, some of the hatcheted, others were strangled and some were hung by piano wire. I'm currently updating the Red Orchestra article and plan to create as many as possible article on this list: People of the Red Orchestra. I plan to create articles for most of these. At the moment I am working on Gisela von Poellnitz who was a courier for the Schulze-Boysen group. She was a also a young women. scope_creepTalk 22:59, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Thanks Scope. I came upon her article in Women in Red, Totally impressed, and extraordinarily sad at the same time. I am horrified by the number of (brave) women murdered by that fascist monster, we all know about the holocoaust and the massacre of gypsies, social democrats, Poles, etc but little attention is paid to the murder of his political enemies, and I am amazed at the number of women amongst them, including a nun. Beheaded and thrown in a mass grave, because Hitler refused the request of her order to bury her in their cemetery. Every woman murdered by Hitler deserves her own article, but sadly there is a dearth of reliable sources to justify one, but one can try. I want to check out the Nun who was murdered. BTW I pinged you to an RfC thread I started. I am seriously irked by the whitewashing of state sanctioned murder by RS, the media, even schools and publishers calling them executions. We are so inured by these words, that they do not have any import anymore. I understand WP's need to speak in a NPOV, but we don't have to whitewash murders do we? If carried out by a "Democratic state" they are referred to as executions.Oldperson (talk) 23:20, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Catherine StokesEdit

Hello Scope creep. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Catherine Stokes, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: claims coverage in reliable sources (maybe not Deseret News, but SL Tribune should qualify). Thank you. SoWhy 11:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Coolio @SoWhy: It is still there, which is a good sign. scope_creepTalk 20:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

The ZWNBSP page (Ⅱ)Edit

Recently User:mwgamera mentioned me after starting a talk page for the ZWNBSP redirect. Although I [reluctantly] agreed with the redirect rejection; he also finds it confusing that ZWNBSP now redirects to WJ. I am proposing that ZWNBSP should redirect to BOM instead, because U+2060 is never called ZWNBSP despite being a non-breaking space of zero width. The context of these two articles is about Unicode and understanding the technical details of Unicode; the audience is for people who either work for Unicode, are developers who use Unicode, or want to know more about Unicode; ZWNBSP is in fact a very notable special character in Unicode.

ZWNBSP is called ZWNBSP historically because it was used as a non-breaking space of zero width. We could say, "ZWNBSP was historically used as a WJ; at that time it served a dual purpose as a BOM when used at the beginning of text files, and as a WJ when used anywhere else."

The whitespace character that is non-breaking and has zero width is called WJ, even if it is not named consistently compared to the other whitespace characters and is a retronym for ZWNBSP.

  • A common breaking space is symbolized as [SP]
  • A non-breaking space has width of [SP] is symbolized as [NBSP]
  • A fullwidth space used in some CJK texts is breaking and symbolized as [ID SP]
  • A zero-width space that is breaking is symbolized as [ZWSP]
  • A zero-width space that is non-breaking is however represented as [WJ], a "word joiner" or a "non-breaking space with zero width".
  • [ZWNBSP] always refers to the special codepoint FEFF, and for the target audience, they should know that [ZWNBSP] is an entirely separate character whose name suggests the usage of WJ, and was once used as WJ.

I hereby propose that ZWNBSP should redirect to BOM to suit the audience better; and that BOM should note that FEFF is once used as WJ.

--MULLIGANACEOUS-- (talk) 20:56, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Coolio. @MULLIGANACEOUS: There seems to some page consensus forming, which is good. Crack on and I will check it when it's finished and assuming if follows WP:THREE ref's at the least. Discovered a new word, retronym re: above. The day is truly charmed. scope_creepTalk 20:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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