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On Being a Disciple of the Crucified Nazarene: Unpublished Lectures and Sermons (2011)

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Differentiation of Churches NeededEdit

I'm a Lutheran in the US. A lot of churches here call themselves 'Concordia Lutheran' as a reference to the Lutheran Confessions (and they aren't associated with the Swedish sect). We need to link 'Concordia Lutheran' to a disambiguation, rather than the article with which it's currently associated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.233.126 (talk) 01:18, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

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As a neutral and hopefully mediating position related to Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy parts, I also ask for help here.

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Assessment of John CalvinEdit

Article is currently assessed as Low-importance for this WikiProject. Please reassess. __meco (talk) 13:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Wie schön leuchtet der MorgensternEdit

Please distinguish Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, the chorale, as of 27 July 2010, from the Bach cantata Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1 that formerly had this name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Please, rename Hungarian Evangelical ChurchEdit

Hi, I am a hungarian lutheran pastor. Please, rename Hungarian Evangelical Church. The correct name would be Evangelical Lutheran Church in Hungary or Lutheran Church in Hungary. Thanks. - Tkarcsi (talk) 20:14, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I have moved the article and used the name from the English website. --παγκρἃτωρ/pankrator 20:27, 5 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pankrator (talkcontribs)

Thanks a lot. - Tkarcsi (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. --παγκρἃτωρ/pankrator 17:13, 6 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pankrator (talkcontribs)

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Zion Lutheran Church in Fredericksburg, TexasEdit

Zion Lutheran Church (Fredericksburg, Texas) was part of Fredericksburg, Texas, but the content as it then existed on that page, took up almost the entirety of what was then "Fredericksburg in Religion". Because of the historic significance of the church, I felt it needed its own page. The wording was unchanged when I moved it over, and is not text of mine. Possibly, the text was lifted verbatim from a church brochure. I would encourage any interested editors who can re-work the text and provide verifiable sourcing to do so. The subject is worthy of its own page, but it needs considerable work. Maile66 (talk) 20:59, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

International Lutheran FellowshipEdit

There appears to be an active dispute at International Lutheran Fellowship. Seventeen new editors have rewritten the page, which apparently involves some dispute. There isn't a single source. Could some experienced editors add it to their watchlist and help to make some sense out of the issues?   Will Beback  talk  08:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

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Just letting everyone know that I removed the Collaboration of the Month, after suspecting that nobody has been paying attention to it for some years. After Lucas Cranach the Elder was made COTM article for July 2011, not a single article was made to the article during the entire month. Therefore, I have decided to be bold and remove the COTM from the WikiProject page. If there are any objections to this, we can discuss them here. I would love more collaboration! Cognate247 (talk) 22:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Opinion sought regarding Eternal LifeEdit

We are having a 3 way discussion on the issue of Eternal Life in Christianity.

The specific issue at hand is that of eternal life being only "here and now" vs having a component "in the future" as well.

A few informed comments based on suitable sources will be appreciated. Thanks. History2007 (talk) 12:48, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Potentially malicious acts at Wilhelm Busch (pastor)Edit

I'd like to ask for 3rd party opinion, in the article on Wilhelm Busch (pastor) there been performed deletions that I personally regard for strange. The claim is that edits are removed because "material not relevant to articles subject. (TW)" but I regard the text for absolutely OK as it correctly states from sourced information that pastor Busch influenced Ulrich Parzany, who continued after Billy Graham in ProChrist evangelic international campaigns. Moreover, the book by Busch has been removed from article sections dedicated to Bibliography (* Busch, Wilhelm (2009). Plaudereien in meinem Studierzimmer (in German) (11 ed.). p. 299. ISBN 978-3761557044. Text "publisher Aussaat " ignored (help); Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (help)) under the same flag which sounds absolutely irrational to me. Please advise. --Stephfo (talk) 17:50, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Proposed redirection of Christianity subproject talk pagesEdit

I have recently started discussion about possibly eliminating the use of a separate talk page for it here. Input from any interested editors is very welcome and encouraged. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 22:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Lutheran MusicEdit

I have a background in Lutheran church music and can start an article on it. I am looking for some feedback concerning the scope for the article. The article could focus on:

  • Lutheran composers
  • Musical compositions used in Lutheran liturgy
  • Lutheran hymnody
  • History of Lutheran music

My idea right now is to start with a short history of Lutheran music. Beyond this, the issue is origin verses use. Commits, questions, suggestions? Weberc (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Here is the article as it is being constructed. Weberc (talk) 17:45, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm very interested in helping with this article if I have time. Although I'm not an ultimate expert on the subject, I've devoted a lot of time researching it as a church musician and as someone who enjoys preserving the heritage of Lutheran hymnody. I'll open up the talk page on that proposed article. Thanks! --Dulcimerist (talk) 16:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
I proofread it and helped to smooth out the existing material. Hopefully the changes I made aren't too drastic, as I ended up making more adjustments and spending much more time with the article than I had intended. I apologize if I did too much work on it. Please let me know if I can be of more help. Thanks for starting this article! --Dulcimerist (talk) 07:20, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Cool. I'm glad you are working on it!--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Christian Symbolism ArticleEdit

Should the Christian symbolism article have a WikiProject Lutheranism tag on it? It seems somewhat relevant to our WikiProject, although it would likely be a low priority. I don't know how to go about adding the tag, and thought I should ask here first before adding the tag anyway. Thanks! --Dulcimerist (talk) 16:48, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead. Try to include it the way it is on the Lutheranism page-- as a Christianity article that is project Lutheranism supported. You could copy and paste, but you would need to change the importance.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 02:23, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

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I just noticedEdit

that Michaelangelo shows up on the Category:People celebrated in the Lutheran liturgical calendar and I was wondering why that might be, or more to the point, if it is accurate. So I decided to pass this on to you to figure out. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

It does appear to be true, but I would question whether it is a DEFINING characteristic of Michaelangelo, and therefore an appropriate categorization. It appears that many people who are celebrated in various churches have been categorized without any regard for categorization guidelines. --JFH (talk) 15:35, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Portraits of 42 protestant reformersEdit

Hi everyone! You may want to have a look at this recently uploaded high resolution picture with portraits of 42 protestant reformers.Beat Estermann (talk) 22:55, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Communicatio idiomatum: Lutheran-Reformed debateEdit

I am working on expanding the patristics aspect of this article but don't know enough to tackle the section on the "Lutheran-Reformed debate" which is unreferenced at the moment. Help would be appreciated. Jpacobb (talk) 21:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

BeerwolfEdit

Why Beerwolf, when the German is clearly Bearwolf?--DThomsen8 (talk) 01:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

AfC submissionEdit

This submission might be of interest to this WikiProject. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bengt SundklerEdit

Dear Lutherans: This AfC submission will be deleted soon as a stale draft. Is this a notable subject, and should the page be kept and improved instead? —Anne Delong (talk) 15:11, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Anne Delong. I believe this person is notable. He was a professor and had four honorary doctor degrees, including at the University of Tübingen which is a leading university of Lutheran theology.(Diff). His book Bantu Prophets has almost 1000 citations according to Google Scholar which I think is quite high for a modern theological work. And he also had roles of importance outside academica. The article also seems to be in relatively good shape, pretty similar to his Swedish Wikipedia article. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 15:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Iselilja. I have added the online link that you provided and created a citation with that reference. I added the Google Scholar report to External links. I also found another book reference at the Swedish Wikipedia and added it to the reference section. I did some copyediting and removed some promotional language. The article needs work, particularly some inline citations and wikilinks, but since it's not a BLP I have accepted it and it's at Bengt Sundkler. —Anne Delong (talk) 16:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hi. I'd like members to have a look at these edits and the accompanying discussion at Talk:Great Apostasy. It seems to me that they alter the Overview section in a POV way, giving undue weight to fringe Protestant views of the Catholic Church such as idol-worship, worship of Mary, and the hybrid "pagan Mother-Son worship". And not only that, but these fringe views are copied to the lead, totally skewing it. The citations are a collection of far-out Christian websites: http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_sun-worship, https://www.sabbathtruth.com/sabbath-history/how-the-sabbath-was-changed, https://www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-Mary.html, http://www.the-ten-commandments.org/catholic_church_idolatry.html, https://bible.org/question/it-okay-worship-statues-jesus, and a self-published 1914 pamphlet, The Practice of Idolatry, none of which come anywhere near satisfying WP:RS. Any input into the discussion is welcome. I'm copying this to other Christian WikiProjects. Scolaire (talk) 15:19, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

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Lutheran denominations reorganization proposalEdit

I'm not sure if this page is watched by many active Wikipedians, but I figured I'd try asking this here anyway on the hope that it is. I recently spent a fair amount of time expanding and sourcing the List of Lutheran denominations. Now that I've substantially finished my work on that list, I'd like to make pages for the many (over 100) Lutheran denominations that don't currently have Wikipedia pages. Unfortunately, many of these denominations are too small to deserve their own pages, possibly including some of the denominations that do currently have their own pages. I see two ways to proceed despite this problem. The first would be to list smaller denominations as a section on the page of the largest denomination in the country (most countries have a dominant Lutheran church and one or more much smaller Lutheran churches). So, for example, the "Evangelical Lutheran Church of Angola" would contain a short paragraph on the "Confessional Lutheran Church in Angola" within a section entitled "Other Lutheran churches in Angola" (or something along those lines).

The second solution I see would be to create a series of articles that focus on Lutheranism by country, with sections on each denomination within the article. Thus "Lutheranism in Angola" could contain a section on the "Evangelical Lutheran Church of Angola" and the "Confessional Lutheran Church in Angola." For countries with one major Lutheran church and several smaller churches, the section on the largest church would contain a brief summary of the church along with a link to its own separate article.

Either way, I would foresee this applying mostly (or only) in the case of African, Asian, and South American Lutheran churches—in other words, in areas where Lutherans have historically been thin on the ground.

If anyone has any thoughts on either of these ideas, or if you have another suggestion on how I might best proceed, please let me know. I'm open to any ideas on how to include information on all the redlinked articles within the List of Lutheran denominations. Bnng (talk) 23:29, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I think the second option, articles named "Lutheranism in Country", would be better than the first. It would also be possible to move any country-specific detail from the Lutheranism by region article into these articles. In particular, we need a Lutheranism in the United States article for a good overview of the history of the various Lutheran bodies there. Much of the history is already present in the individual denomination articles, but someone not familiar with it would have to read a number of articles to try to understand the big picture. Indyguy (talk) 01:48, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Oh, good, I was hoping you'd chime in. I prefer that option as well, even though it will probably be quite a bit more work. If that ends up being the route we† decide on, do you have any thoughts as to how much information there should be on an individual denomination before it should have its own article? Take, for example, Evangelical Lutheran Church of Angola. Not counting the historical information that doesn't directly pertain to the IELA, do you think there's enough there for it to have its own stand-alone article, in addition to being mentioned in Lutheranism in Angola?
†Incidentally, do you know if there are any other Lutheranism-interested editors who are still active on Wikipedia? You're the only one I've seen making a large number of edits recently. Bnng (talk) 02:53, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm still here. I organized Template:Lutheranism_in_the_United_States in 2009 & 2010. Since then, I've realized that there is a better way to organize Lutheran denominations. A simplified version of this approach was used in a practical manner by Jaroslav Pelikan, but I have yet to put it into practice.
All of the textbooks on the history of European Protestant theology divide the Lutheran (and some Reformed or Union) theologians of the 1800s into three categories--Kantian, Hegelian, and Christian Existentialist. Mainly they fit into the first two categories. All three groups had their own spectrums, with Objectivist vs. Subjectivist Kantians, the Hegelian Left and Right, and Secular vs. Christian Existentialists.
Because Hegel and Kant wrote extensively about political structures it is easy to identify these traits when looking at polity. Basically you can sort all of the Lutheran denominations by their polity style. Theology, worship, internal culture, and translation preferences generally follow the same basic pattern that polity does, but it is not perfect.
The impact of polity here is especially due to the history of the free church movement in Germany in the 1800s. It is basically impossible to justify splitting off a free church under a Hegelian framework, because Hegelian philosophy is incompatible with the doctrine of the Lesser magistrates. This locked in certain churches into a Kantian polity.
Examples of what I am referring to: European state churches and Evangelical Lutheran Church in America are Hegelian, more or less Hegelian Left. Wisconsin Synod and most of the Confessional Evangelical Lutheran Conference churches are Hegelian Right.
The Missouri Synod and the small split off bodies from it such as the Lutheran Churches of the Reformation are objectivist Kantian. The Missouri Synod has a decent sized Hegelian faction inside it, which is reflected in the polity of the English district. Churches in fellowship or other associations with it across the world are either Kantian, Hegelian, or both.
Apostolic Lutherans are also objectivist Kantian. Their polity is similar to the original Stephanite colony which founded the Missouri Synod. The Evangelical Lutheran Synod is also mostly objectivist Kantian, due to their origin in the Johnsonian Awakening in Norway.
The Church of the Lutheran Confession and the churches associated with it have both objectivist Kantian and Hegelian Right influences.
The Lutheran Brethren are subjectivist Kantian, but there is no strict line separating subjectivist Kantianism from existentialism.
The Protes'tant Conference and the Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ have a Christian Existentialist polity.
Several forces have served over the last 100 or so years to blur and sharpen these differences. The pan-Lutheran movement and Confessional Lutheran movements attempted to get Kantians and Hegelians together by using the same basic strategy that Thomas Aquinas used to get Dominicans and Franciscans to align as the schola antiqua. Aquinas' Summa Theologica asked different questions while allowing both factions to represent themselves under his own system.
Against these two movements have been the ever present issues and impacts from culture, such as communism, Biblical scholarships homosexuality, and the ordination of women. These controversies tend to be resolved along pre-existing philosophical lines. Perceived threats of culture result in people digging in their heels.
What advantage does arranging denominations by polity serve for Wikipedia? It is a neutral, objective point of view. It resists the tendency to reinforce the LWF/ILC/CELC distinctions, which tend to be non-neutral in character due to the church politics involved. For example, one liability here is the longstanding practice of the LWF to count as "Lutheran" everyone in every member church body, even those which are union bodies where few members would self-identify as Lutheran. Besides using polity, the other main objective way to arrange the Lutheran denominations of the world is by their country. But with so many countries it makes less sense for the English reader, who probably is not even familiar with all of the countries to begin with. Of course, they aren't familiar with Kantians/Hegelians/Existentialists either, but it isn't that many categories, and they could be briefly explained Epiphyllumlover (talk) 06:09, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Request to add sentence and category to David Trone articleEdit

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Hello! On behalf of David Trone, I've proposed adding mention of his religion (Lutheranism), as well as mention of his family members' faith and which synagogue they attend, within the "Personal life" section of his Wikipedia article. I've proposed specific text here for one or more volunteer editors to review and implement appropriately. Adding Category:American Lutherans also seems appropriate.

I don't edit articles directly because of my conflict of interest, but I've provided sourcing and markup for consideration. Is a WikiProject Lutheranism member willing to review this request and update the article accordingly? Thanks in advance for any help. Inkian Jason (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

This edit request has been answered. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC)

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