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Requested move 5 April 2019Edit

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The result of the move request was: Moved. (non-admin closure)  samee  converse  20:32, 15 April 2019 (UTC)



Wikipedia:WikiProject Eastern OrthodoxyWikipedia:WikiProject Eastern Orthodox Church – How about per WP:CONSISTENCY with Eastern Orthodox Church? PPEMES (talk) 22:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)


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@PPEMES, Ad Orientem, and Samee: With this move I think we also need to rename Category:WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy articles, and update {{WikiProject Christianity}} accordingly. Otherwise the page assessments are broken, e.g. see [1] versus [2]. I see there's also Wikipedia:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy, so you'd probably want to do the same to those pages/categories. Maybe it's easier to just revert the move? MusikAnimal talk 02:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Couldn't it be speedy moved? PPEMES (talk) 08:00, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it should be moved speedily.  samee  converse  08:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
@PPEMES and Samee: Would one of you mind chaperoning this effort? It looks like {{WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy}} and {{WikiProject Christianity}} need updating, then you probably need only to move the category page itself (since all the members are populated via the templates). If done correctly, this list should contain all assessments, and there should be none under the old title. I've no opinion on whether Wikipedia:WikiProject Oriental Orthodoxy should be renamed too, just pointing out the inconsistency. Thanks! MusikAnimal talk 21:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
This may be a tedious task. A lot of things (including main category WikiProject Eastern Orthodoxy) require renaming. A second move request to revert would be easiest.  samee  converse  23:57, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

I think this was a major change that occurred with very little input. It also left a lot of loose ends and it isn't clear who is tasked with fixing them. You could also make the same argument for moving Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism to Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholic Church, but only this WikiProject and Oriental Orthodoxy were discussed. I think a broader move discussion should take place to establish a naming convention for all Christianity-related WikiProjects. Until then, the move should probably be reverted. Grk1011 (talk) 02:56, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

@Grk1011: I agree. Samee would you mind reverting the move for the time being? I realize documentation for renaming WikiProjects is lacking. I will try to write up something at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide. To be clear, I have no opinion on what the name of this WikiProject should be; I just want to ensure assessment data is accurate. Currently assessments are broken due to the incomplete move, so it'd be great if we could either fix it or revert. Much appreciated, MusikAnimal talk 15:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
I have added some documentation on renames at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide#Renaming a WikiProject. I think this covers all the requisite steps, but please edit accordingly if I've got something wrong. Kind regards, MusikAnimal talk 16:04, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
@Samee: could you please revert this move? Grk1011 (talk) 13:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@MusikAnimal and Grk1011: apologies for a very delayed reponse. Please carry out edits yourself (my consent is unneeded). I see the category has also been renamed (Special:Diff/910759602).  samee  converse  08:02, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
@Samee: The move consists of dozens (if not 100s of pages). Did you use a bot or something to move those initially? Would you mind reverting your edits instead? Honestly, we are a small project and it's quite a lot of work to fix something that most didn't ask for. Grk1011 (talk) 20:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
@Grk1011: I have undone the move. Main category still requires renaming.  samee  converse  08:48, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

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Church (congregation) listed at Requested movesEdit

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Is the word 'Dean' has ever used in the Eastern Orthodox Church (either from Canonical or Non-canonical)?Edit

I have undoing a edit war by the same user, who is suggesting to delete this page right now, who keeps reinstated and claimed the word Dean is been used to described this local ('semi-canonical') Orthodox Church in Indonesia. But, the question is the word 'Dean' is unironically been used predominantly by the Catholic, Anglican/Episcopal, and sometimes Lutheran Churches, but not all by mainstream Christian denominations, including the Eastern Orthodox Church has seemly never using the word Dean. As I can't find any reference of being used by all Canonical or Non-Canonical Orthodox Churches. But according to this user Leefeni de Karik a self-proclaimed Portuguese Orthodox follower, who keeps claiming the word 'Dean' is being used by the Semi-Orthodox Autonomous Church, Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia to described this Church as? Chad The Goatman (talk) 15:04, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Terminology in Western languages when talking about Eastern Orthodoxy tends to be inconsistent. For instance, archpriest, protopresbyter, protopriest, protopope, protoiereus are all used to refer to the same rank. When using dean, I am quoting the first paragraph of the major source of the article, so you should have looked further. Arguably, another more usual term should be used rather than "dean", but as long as this is the only title being displayed and no source makes it clear that it's a synonym for another title, changing it for something more commonplace, like vicar, is simply original research, therefore a violation of Wikipedia's foundations. Changing it for "deaconry", on the other hand, is just absolutely wrong, since deacons are a whole other rank, even inferior to archimandrite (which is Fr. Daniel's title). These confusions being made is one of the reasons Wikipedia doesn't allow original research...

Assuming good faith, I will not re-enter the word "dean" right now (although you kept "deanery" in the article for some reason), but claiming the church to be simply "recognised" by ROCOR is just wrong, since it implies communion rather than canonical submission. It is part of ROCOR. Therefore, I'm changing your edit "Deaconry recognized by Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia" to "Jurisdiction under the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia". Leefeniaures audiendi audiat 18:54, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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