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Sign of the cross edit

Could this article be relevant for Anglicanism as well?--Bhuck (talk) 14:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

@Bhuck: Absolutely! I'm surprised that Anglicanism is not mentioned in the article in its current state. —C.Fred (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Reply

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Assistant Bishop edit

Is an assistant bishop in Australia automatically notable? Bearian (talk) 17:50, 3 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

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New Article: Book of Common Prayer (1549) edit

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There is an RfC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Catholicism concerning the use of non-contemporary images of popes in articles that may be of interest to editors here. Display name 99 (talk) 17:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)Reply

AfD for Australian bishop edit

Hello, would be grateful if someone could let me know if my comments on the general consensus on keeping bishop pages for the Anglican Communion are correct - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carol Wagner. Thanks! Deus et lex (talk) 02:12, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Lead for Anglican bishop articles edit

Today's featured article being Randall Davidson, I find him described in the lead as "an Anglican priest who was Archbishop of Canterbury". This styling appears, as far as I have determined, unique to certain AoC articles; Cosmo Lang is described as a "Scottish prelate", and every other Anglican bishop article I have checked either says "was/is a bishop" or "was/is bishop of diocese". I am getting a great deal of pushback on changing "priest" to anything else (or just saying that he was AoC) on the basis of some supposed consensus, where I cannot find any discussion of the point in the various article reviews. Can I get an opinion on this? Davidson was Dean of Windsor before being made bishop in two dioceses before his appointment to Canterbury, so I can see, perhaps, something besides "bishop", but since his notability is entirely dependent on higher office, describing him merely as "priest" seems eccentric. Mangoe (talk) 21:36, 22 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

Surprised you didn't bother to check the articles on William Temple and Geoffrey Fisher. Tim riley talk 21:50, 22 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Temple and Fisher were the basis for my "unique to certain AoC articles" observation. Indeed, having checked further, the two of them, Davidson, Laud, and William Wake are the only Protestant occupiers of the throne of Canterbury to be graced with this peculiar lead. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mangoe (talkcontribs) 16:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Is there any benefit to changing the term? From a quick look at the thread, it seems like you have a preference with one term over another. The other editor on the Davidson article has put forward a good argument as to why it is as it is, and I cannot see a benefit in the change. - SchroCat (talk) 07:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
It seems to me that there is. These are men who were famous on the basis of the bishoprics they held, and it seems to me clearer to start from that rather to imply that they were famous as priests, which for the most part doesn't appear to be true. Mangoe (talk) 16:37, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
Famous? I don't see any reference to fame there. I see a reference to being a priest (ie an ordained Anglican), and reference to his highest position, Archbishop of Canterbury. I see no real benefit in changing the terminology, given it's factually correct - the arguments put forward on the article's talk page in favour of the status quo are more compelling to me. - SchroCat (talk) 17:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)Reply
I concur with SchroCat. This is really a case of personal preference, and Mangoe has not put forward any compelling reason why his/her preferred wording is superior to the one in the text agreed at PR and FAC. To an English reader, Mangoe's preferred "cleric" looks a touch unidiomatic nowadays, being more often applied to Imams than to their Christian colleagues, as a quick dip into the archives of The Times will confirm. Tim riley talk 15:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)Reply

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Draft:Peter Blannin Gibbons Binnall edit

Hello! I am helping a new-to-wikipedia editor (and I am fairly new myself!) with a page about Draft:Peter Blannin Gibbons Binnall. I was hoping that this page may be of interest to this project, and that any friendly/ knowledgeable editors out there might be able to help improve this page draft or review it? Thank you so much! KerstingFan (talk) 16:30, 7 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

Alistair Macdonald-Radcliff edit

I seek the advice of those involved in WikiProject Anglicanism about this article: Alistair Macdonald-Radcliff

Is he notable enough to have a Wikipedia entry?

I'm thinking yes; for one thing he was the Dean of the Cathedral in Cairo, and that alone should establish his notability in my view, but I would welcome the thoughts of others.

Thank you for any help and advice you're able to provide,

Tillander 20:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)Reply

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John Lipscomb edit

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Arms edit

Armorial of the Church of England is a page I have just created listing the official arms of each diocese. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 17:46, 23 February 2021 (UTC)Reply

Please help evaluate Draft:Servants of Christ the King edit

My particular concern is whether any of the cited sources are actually independent of the subject, but any opinions by someone more knowledgable about the topic will be appreciated. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:12, 6 July 2021 (UTC)Reply

Pat McCormick (clergyman) edit

An interesting clergyman and sportsman, if anyone fancies expanding his clerical side. StickyWicket (talk) 16:25, 14 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Major Churches Network and Major Parish Churches edit

If interested please come and discuss at Talk:Major Churches Network. PamD 17:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)Reply

Request for comment at Shroud of Turin edit

There is a new RfC open at Talk:Shroud of Turin#Request for comment on lead which is relevant to this project. Instaurare (talk) 06:40, 25 April 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Anglicans Online has been nominated for deletion edit

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Inexistance of Hell POV pushing edit

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Merge discussion Orthodox Anglican Church ––> Orthodox Anglican Communion edit

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The move discussion at Talk:Episcopal Church in South Carolina#Requested move 26 July 2022 just got re-listed for lack of activity. Members of this WikiProject may be interested. Thanks, Ductwork (talk) 14:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

Nigeria (et al.): Province articles or Diocese stubs? edit

Discussion: Talk:Anglican Diocese of Lagos#Proposed merge into Anglican Province of Lagos DBD 08:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Integrity USA edit

Hello, I wonder if we could get some eyes on Integrity USA, which I've been trying to get to a WP:NPOV since May. If you check the edit history, there was a recent unhelpful page move, and many other edits that have moved it from an excessively "for" POV to one excessively "against". I'd never heard of the group till I ran across the article while doing template cleanup. Hope my edits there show I'm just trying to get the article onto a more even keel. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Storchy (talk) 19:47, 9 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

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The article Wes Nolden has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

In its 13.86 years on the site, this article has had—at best— two reliable sources previously, and those were oft subject to blanking by SPAs. With this re-write, only thee sources presented themselves, and the weightiest one is dubious. This has failed the notability guideline for longer than some productive editors have been alive, and even now doesn't meet muster.

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Recent/Last-Decade Honorary Canons of Ripon Cathedral edit

Hello, I'm looking for a list of / more information on the honorary canons of Ripon Cathedral that have been installed in the last 10 or 15 years for an article I'm working on. TIA!


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Talk:Divine Worship: The Missal#RFC has an RFC edit

 

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Splitting article Book of Common Prayer edit

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Proposed for deletion (PROD): Free Church of Antioch edit

FYI, the article Free Church of Antioch has been proposed for deletion (WP:PROD). The first sentence summarizes the subject thusly:

  • "The Free Church of Antioch is an Independent Catholic Church."

The church website shows 2 archbishops (one emeritus), 5 bishops, and 27 priests across 15 US states and 2 European countries.

The nominator wrote this summary of their concerns:

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Naming conventions for churches edit

I may have made a mistake here. Is it the 'Church of St Leonard' or the 'Church of All Saints'? Are they the same church? Perhaps someone here knows more and can help. Thanks, 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 19:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

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NPOV noticeboard discussion about Anglican continuity edit

There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Founding of the Church of England about whether it's legitimate to say "Previous denomination: Roman Catholic" in the infoboxes of ancient Anglican churches. Help is welcome. Marnanel (talk) 17:18, 22 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Peer review for Free and Candid Disquisitions edit

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Iwerne camps article edit

I've started an article on the Iwerne camps. They held an important and sometimes controversial role in post-war Evangelicalism in the UK, particularly in the Church of England, before closing in 2020 following abuse scandals.

Existing coverage of the camps was in two articles - a rather fawning one on their founder E. J. H. Nash, and a sparser and rather controversy-heavy one on their parent body the Titus Trust. I've tried to balance both and fill in the gaps in the new article, but more eyes would be very much welcomed. TSP (talk) 12:25, 22 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Should this project have a reliable sources list? edit

Would it be valuable for editors to collaborate on a reliable sources list (a la these) for this WikiProject? It might be helpful to have some consistency with how we treat sources, particularly media outlets. A few initial thoughts:

Perennial sources

  • Church Times (Reliable and independent; perennial source)
  • The Living Church (independent of the Episcopal Church and uses sound journalistic methods, but editors should be cautious about using blog posts from the site.)
  • Religion News Service (independent, reliable, mainstream journalism)
  • Religion Unplugged (independent, reliable nonprofit newsroom; watch for opinion pieces)
  • Church of England Newspaper (reliable and independent, but difficult to use due to strict paywall)

Useful non-independent sources: Each of these is an official news source of an Anglican body, which limits their independence. However, they adhere to journalistic best practices. Per policy, these can be used to fill in uncontested details but not for controversial claims (in particular for controversial claims about their owners). Any content labeled opinion should not be used, nor should these be used to establish notability about an individual or institution within the church that controls them.

Use with care:

Avoid:

  • Virtue Online. Once upon a time, this site featured genuine independent reporting but it has been a mess for many years. Almost everything it publishes is either copied from elsewhere or heavily opinionated. (I've used it in the past but it has become increasingly unreliable.)

Any thoughts on whether a formal list makes sense or additions/perspectives on this list? Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply