User talk:LavaBaron/Archive 2

GE Oil & Gas

Hi Lava,

I work for GE O&G and received the material for this page from our communications team. I would like to mention that we followed the same format at wiki pages such as GE Healthcare and GE Aviation. I would like to know the differences in approvals granted to those two examples and the deletion of this page. I would like to keep this page up, or make edits to keep the page live.

Please advise -Thank you.

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George Washington Truett

Hi, I just want you to know that I've improved the article of George Washington Truett through your concerns addressed on the GA talk page. Now that I have, can you please review the article to see if it comports with WP:NPOV? Thanks. Spaghetti07205 (talk) 21:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I'm not 100-percent certain the article bylined to Eugene Visser is WP:RS. It appears to just be a PDF hosted on an open-upload site. Other than that I think this is pretty close. LavaBaron (talk) 21:39, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Alright, I have replaced it with an even better, more reliable source. Spaghetti07205 (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

That looks good. If you want to renominate it for GA I'll re-review it. LavaBaron (talk) 21:46, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I just have renominated it. Spaghetti07205 (talk) 22:15, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Wrapped up GAs

Hi LavaBaron, I see you have been busy reviewing several GAs, good for you! I did go to the trouble of wrapping them all up according to the intructions. For example, some did not have their "class=" parameters changed to "GA" and somehow the bot did not add the GA icon to the articles so I manually added it. When you complete the review of George Washington Truett please remember to change that class value and let's both watch and see if the bot adds the icon correctly (the bot reads the change made to the talk page's GA template). Cheers and enjoy your wikibreak! Prhartcom (talk) 19:58, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure why the bot hasn't been working. LavaBaron (talk) 20:24, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

The problem was that the GA template had the "topic" field filled in wrong. The instructions page suggests using the subtopic from the GA nominee template that is being replaced, but you can also use the actual topic shown on the GAN page if you'd rather. Without a valid entry in the topic field, the bot won't process the promotion: it can't add it to the appropriate GA page, and since there's something clearly wrong, stops rather than placing the GA icon on the article or change WikiProject entries on the talk page. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:29, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

Ah, yes! I had fixed the "topic=" parameters also; this makes sense, BlueMoonset; thank-you for the clear and helpful explanation. Prhartcom (talk) 20:46, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi LavaBaron, hope you are well. Allow me summarize this discussion weeks later. I learned something about the GA bot that day, so I hope this summary of the above comversation will be helpful to you.

• When closing a GA review, {{GA}} template must be filled out correctly. That hasn't been happening. If it's not, the GA bot won't work correctly (that's why manual efforts have been necessary).
• Fill in the page number parameter. This is the "1" in "GA1" or the "2" in GA2", etc.
• Fill in the topic parameter; it is important also. I found out that day that if this isn't filled out correctly, it will mess up the bot. This value isn't the name of the article. This value can be either a GA topic or a GA nomination subtopic (the template automatically converts GAN subtopics into GA topics). I just take the advice of the instructions and use the same value that is already in the existing GA nominee template populated by the nominator, that is to say, one of the following:

Agriculture, food and drink  · Art and architecture  · Computing and engineering  · Transport  · Geography  · Places  · World history  · Royalty, nobility and heraldry  · Language and literature  · Mathematics and mathematicians  · Film  · Television  · Media and drama  · Albums  · Songs  · Music  · Biology and medicine  · Chemistry and materials science  · Earth sciences  · Physics and astronomy  · Philosophy and religion  · Culture, sociology and psychology  · Education  · Economics and business  · Law  · Magazines and print journalism  · Politics and government  · Sports and recreation  · Video games  · Warfare

• Update any WikiProject templates on the article talk page by changing the "class" field values to "GA". This hasn't been happening either. I did this for you once and I've seen others do it for you more than once.
• List the article at Wikipedia:Good articles under the appropriate section and update the tally. (You know about this one.)

All of this is explained here, please review: Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions. Thanks for doing this! Prhartcom (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Prhartcom, it looks like I missed two of these. I'll better police my GA closings moving forward. LavaBaron (talk) 00:01, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

P.S. I was sorry to see an editor conflict a few hours ago. Do you think it's possible you misunderstood the situation? It looked to me like they were acting in good faith. Best, Prhartcom (talk) 23:59, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Leschi (fireboat)

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Thx!

Thanks very much for the barnstar. Really, I haven't rescued many articles from AfD, but I guess I will have to try doing it more, now that you've given me the barnstar. Very clever of you.  :-)Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:10, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks!

@LavaBaron: Thank you so much for the barnstar you gave me – it’s my first one.

I have started COI editing not long ago, so it is certainly reassuring to know that I’ve been doing it correctly. The process has been a bit of rollercoaster and a massive learning curve, but I’m glad to get some appreciation.

Currently I’m working on the University Canada West article and my main challenge is to get feedback from other editors – there’s only a couple of us there and I think the article would really benefit from different points of view. I’m not necessarily looking for an expert on the subject, but for inputs on whether the article is up to scratch.

I have invited a few other editors with similar interests to join the discussion as I’m currently seeking feedback on draft for a potential History section (available here). If you’re interested, your help and any feedback will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks - BrandDude (talk) 12:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you

Hi LavaBaron. Thank you very much for the Excellent New Editor's Barnstar!
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Thank you!

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Hi, you recently tagged Olivia Rayson for Speedy Deletion. Can you tell me how to improve it please, thank you.Silenthunder6 (talk) 17:21, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Silenthunder6. To receive an article on Wikipedia, in general (with some exceptions), a pre-high school, non-Olympic athlete would need to meet WP:NHSPHSATH criteria which says they must be the subject of "substantial and prolonged coverage that is (1) independent of the subject and (2) clearly goes beyond routine coverage." If you wanted to recreate the article and use as references, for instance, some articles about Olivia Rayson from Sports Illustrated, or profile stories that have been broadcast about her on ESPN, appearances she's made on Good Morning America, etc. an article on her would definitely pass the WP:NHSPHSATH criteria. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions or need any assistance. LavaBaron (talk) 17:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your complements on the Bohemian Vendetta article

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Barnstar of Good Dry Humour

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Pending chnages reverted back in Visakhapatnam page

Hi ,

I have added some information in landmarks,Sports section and i also provided links to the information but still i found the message((Reverted 10 pending edits by Vizagvamsi to revision 679875118 by Arjayay) ).Please let me know any changes from my side to be one to accept the changes.Vizagvamsi (talk) 17:31, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Your welcome and thank you for leaving the comment on my talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChuckNoll vs Vince Lombardi (talk • contribs) 17:38, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

A7

A7 ('significance') is limited. It applies to people ('Fred Bloggs') and groups of people ('BloggsCo Inc', or 'The Church of the Dancing Gerbil'), but not to activities like dances (as opposed to organised dances in a hall), or to buildings (like 'St Urgelfroth's Church, Lower Upton'). It also applies to named animals ('Gertie the Aardvark') but not to species ('Protocyanothelima mythica'). And to websites and web content ('Aardvark Swap Online', or 'bluepigbrowser.cn'), but not to the BluePig Browser that runs on your computer. Also to organised events (like the 'Annual Aardvark Swapping Fair') but not to unadvertised or spontaneous ones like the 'Underwater Knitting Riots' that occurred when the members of the Downby-in-the-Swamp Underwater Knitting Club were turned away from the local swimming pool on the grounds of Health and Safety. Getting the picture? Feel free to ask if not clear. Peridon (talk) 18:00, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

What is this in reference to? LavaBaron (talk) 18:02, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Your tag at Petrunino - which is a folk dance. The examples I used are all fictional. Peridon (talk) 19:35, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Sonic Boom (TV series)

Hi there, would you please explain to this IP editor your rationale for reverting his contributions? It's not immediately clear to me, but since you've not yet provided an explanation in an edit summary, I can see why the IP would be confused, and might keep submitting it. Much appreciated, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:16, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

done, Cyphoidbomb LavaBaron (talk) 18:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks mate. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

I serve to please you, Cyphoidbomb. LavaBaron (talk) 18:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

The Pakistan Barnstar of National Merit

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Correct, Jogi 007. Keep up the good work! LavaBaron (talk) 05:08, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

LavaBaron, Thank you so much for awarding me a barnstar, my tireless hardworking on Wikipedia is getting fruitful,I'm so much happy.Jogi 007 (talk) 07:31, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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	Cool article about an interesting, yet presently relevant, topic. It's these little factoids that keep the wiki awesome! BeowulfBrower (talk) 02:08, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Gracias, BeowulfBrower! I still have a bit of work to do on the article but wanted to get something registered before I forgot about it. LavaBaron (talk) 02:10, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Washington Doctrine of Unstable Alliances

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DYK for Coast Guard City

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DYK for Philippine Constabulary Band

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Sounds good, thanks Zeke1999! Hope you're still around that long. LavaBaron (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Leschi (fireboat)

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DYK for Anibal Escalante

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DYK for Leschi (fireboat)

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DYK for Elson S. Floyd College of Medicine

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Thanks much

Thank you, LavaBaron, much appreciated. I see nothing much has (yet) resulted at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Zeke1999. That's unfortunate. Good luck to you, — Cirt (talk) 10:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, while too bad, the attention created by the RfC has mostly caused the socks to withdraw I think. Thank you again for your willingness to wade into the issue. LavaBaron (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

I've posted to WP:AN to try to get further attention on the sock investigation. Hope that helps, — Cirt (talk) 10:56, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Great idea - thanks much. LavaBaron (talk) 11:14, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Washington Doctrine of Unstable Alliances

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Notecardforfree - thanks for your GA review. I've started updating and revising the article per your suggestions and will let you know in a few days when it is complete. Thanks again - LavaBaron (talk) 22:19, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply (and apologies for the duplicate message below). Let me know if you have any questions about my comments. It looks like you have already started expanding the "History" section, but let me know if you need help finding sources. There has been so much written about Washingtonian foreign policy, I think you shouldn't have any trouble expanding this article. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:34, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Notecardforfree - I've significantly expanded and modified the article in a way, I think, that addresses your points. Would you mind reviewing again and letting me know if I got it or it still needs work? LavaBaron (talk) 23:55, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi LavaBaron, you have done some excellent work to expand the article! I updated my review of the article, but I still think there are some "main aspects" of the doctrine that need to be explained in further depth and detail. Please let me know if you have any questions about my comments; it's probably best to ask them on the GA review page for your article, so that we aren't talking in multiple places. Thanks again for your hard work on this. I look forward to seeing the finished product! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:04, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Washington Doctrine of Unstable Alliances

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DYK for Roscoe Simmons

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Your GA nomination of Washington Doctrine of Unstable Alliances‎

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Notecardforfree - thanks so much for all your work helping improve and expand this article. In the next couple days I'll go over and correct the other observations you made (punctuation, etc.). LavaBaron (talk) 02:16, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

The credit really goes to you for your hard work and excellent research. I do hope you create more articles about political theory/philosophy in the future. I would love to read them! Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 15:57, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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DYK for Walter Loving

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Thanks, AjaxSmack! It's submitted for GA-review if you're looking to volunteer to do one ... LavaBaron (talk) 03:57, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I've never done one but might be willing to. A couple of issues I notice with the Walter Loving article are that I would prefer for example the "Early life and education" section to have sentence-by-sentence citations rather than one at the end of the paragraph (I'm assuming that that citation indeed applies to the whole paragraph). This would prevent future additions from other sources from breaking the connection. I can't access the Yoder book to do this. Also, the final paragraph and the quotation at the end of the "Military Intelligence Division" section need sourcing. Content-wise, it would be nice if the fate of his wife was added to the article. —  AjaxSmack  00:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Those are all excellent points, AjaxSmack. LavaBaron (talk) 20:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your correction

Thank you very much for your correction on the 45th Infantry. It's good to know Wikipedia has some fine editors.Foofbun (talk) 00:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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sst - sorry, not aware I have any disputes with other editors, nor what your note is about. Was it in reference to GA's decision to write an abbreviated review at Template:Did you know nominations/Pasticciotto? I do agree with his/her position that his/her "checkmark only" review was fine. Not sure how that rises to the level of a "dispute" with anyone, though. LavaBaron (talk) 17:41, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

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Thanks - done! LavaBaron (talk) 05:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I hate QPQs

On the rare occasions I have offered a DYK I have tried, sometimes failed, to review another one. Mostly I do it to show good faith, I have never understood the arcane rules, though. I've lost count of the WP:AFC reviews I've done and other debates I've participated in, but those, even some AfDs, make sense! So I have one running at present. I think I've reviewed two other submissions. I'm no longer even sure about that!

It ought to be a serious bit of fun, ought it not?

Please can you organise that the chorus sings "Always look on the bright side of life" but in a minor key? Fiddle Faddle 22:29, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Agree, totally, Timtrent. Unfortunately, a certain editor at DYK and his Hallelujah Chorus really make it a chore. Every trip there is like going into an OCD asylum. LavaBaron (talk) 05:30, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I shall wash my hands before entering and then close the door 28 times Fiddle Faddle 08:41, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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Is this a joke? LavaBaron (talk) 07:58, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Apologize for kindly asking a ridiculous question. You don't have to, but I was not kidding. Why would you think that? George Ho (talk) 09:27, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

The suggestion that I would travel hundreds of miles to rehearse and organize a "university team" at Washington State University to sing this song, then set-up a recording session to record the finished product, all for a one-off WP virtual stub, is entirely ludicrous. I don't have time to entertain this silliness, George Ho. I regret to inform you you're now banned from my Talk page for 5 days. Best - LavaBaron (talk) 20:43, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Or maybe play a MIDI or piano instrumental rendition. --George Ho (talk) 07:53, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

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I share your nausea

MLM is a great way to make a small fortune. Start with a large one and join the scheme., After a few months your fortune will have dwindled and you will be heartbroken and penniless.

Even so, much as I despise the industry, one that preys on those in the greatest financial need, I think there has to be a rule based discussion over the woman rather that our using our emotions. Fiddle Faddle 10:38, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Agree completely. Insofar as WP is concerned this probably passes the rules. LavaBaron (talk) 10:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

All one can do is to fall back on WP:GNG. Does she pass that? If so then we are stuck with her. I am not going to study that aspect of her, though. I have a declared antipathy towards this class of businessperson and would be better to avoid it. Fiddle Faddle 10:46, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Great points, Timtrent; I've AfD'ed it. LavaBaron (talk) 10:47, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I hoped you would be correct, but I am afraid I need to disagree. Please see my analysis one the references on the discussion. No-one can say I am not even handed Fiddle Faddle 11:09, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

If I may offer a thought, I suggest you let this AfD be fire and forget. Actually, I use that policy nowadays for all AfDs I create. I have long found it to be counterproductive to comment on the thoughts of all. Be surprised after 7 days on the result, whatever that result may be, but choose not to contribute to it further. It;s like buying a raffle ticket. Sometimes you win, sometimes not, but the surprise is the best part. Fiddle Faddle 11:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

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Hi LavaBaron; it seems confusion abounds surrounding this GA review. I see you're working on the elements I suggested in the Good Article review & perhaps you took from my comments that I don't have time to work through the review with you (which isn't the case!). I'd hate to see it languish in the queue for months longer; if you give me a ping when you're done expanding it to meet the suggestions then I'd be happy to check through it again :) Cheers. --Errant ^(chat!) 09:59, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

That's okay, I don't mind it waiting in the queue. Thanks, Errant! LavaBaron (talk) 10:23, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

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LOL, okay. Thanks, Baramop - LavaBaron (talk) 23:47, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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It's clear you really don't like Frank Gaffney, and to be honest I can't really blame you for that. I don't think he smells like roses either. But I can blame you for going roughshod over Wikipedia policies and misusing sources, in an completely overkill attempt to make him look as dreadful as possible. There's no need for you to do that. He's already doing a stellar job himself. Please reconsider the path you are currently taking. Brustopher (talk) 08:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Is this in reference to something specific, Brustopher? Because, right now, I don't really know to what you're referring. The only editors who have ever made a similar accusation against me are the rotating cast of socks that frequent these articles. I think some clarification on your part in regard to this template would be well-advised. Best - LavaBaron (talk) 16:48, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing. Just to clarify, you seem to be far more in the right than the group of socks are. I don't think you're terrible or net negative or anything, just that you've made a sufficient number of suspect edits that the issue needs to be brought up. I wrote the above message after waking up at 6am and being unable to get back to sleep, so it comes across more negative than I intended it. I think because of how clueless and foolhardy and your opponents were, your own smaller errors haven't been really noticed by anyone else. This is usually how thing play out on articles about living people with, let's say "interesting," views. Here are the things I've thought were a bit beyond the pale:

• Associating Gaffney with Alex Jones (whose conspiracy theories are far, far nuttier) through a "See also" link that isn't justified by WP:SEEALSO [1]
• Loading the lede with negative quotes about Gaffney. (This is not necessarily a blatant policy violation, but came across bad as part of a general pattern) [2]
• Going against the sources (which tend for the most part to describe CSP as a think tank) to give it a less reputable description as an "organisation.[3] (and labelling this as a minor edit)
• Adding an unsourced contentious claim about CSP to the article's lede [4] (to be fair Zeke had misused a source earlier to add something about Global Jihad, but even that sentence didn't include what you'd added to the lede)
• Citing sources that either don't call Gaffney a conspiracy theorist or don't mention the CSP, as evidence that the CSP is regarded as a conspiracy think tank. [5]

I mean it's nothing horrendous, and looking back on the article history in more detail what you've done is definitely better than the hellish walls of text that existed before. But you should definitely be more cautious in the approach you're taking, especially with regards to BLPs and whatnot.Brustopher (talk) 19:32, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

To your elucidations:

1. Gaffney is a consensus-described conspiracy theorist. I added a "see also" link to Pamela Geller and Alex Jones, who are also consensus-described conspiracy theorists. If you want to argue Alex Jones is "far nuttier," I'll accept your word on that point, I'm not a judge of whose who on the nuttiness scale. This sounds like a very, very minor edit disagreement that you can resolve by simply removing the Alex Jones wikilink, instead of templating my talk page with a warning of discretionary sanctions.
2. Here, you say my edit is "not necessarily a policy violation" and gone on to note that I made no effort to revert or argue your decision to delete that addition. How does this merit templating my talk page with a warning of discretionary sanctions?
3. "Adding an unsourced claim to the article's lede" - the claim is supported by references in the body of the article and it's customary not to reference every simple sentence in a lede if there is body support. And, again, I made no revert, or even objection, when you deleted it. How does this merit templating my talk page with a warning of discretionary sanctions?
4. How is the word "organization" "disreputable"? The sources are split between describing it as a "think tank," "advocacy group," and an "organization." The word "organization" is factually correct and covers both "think tanks" and "advocacy groups" so is most accurate to the sources and most NPOV. But, again, I made no revert, or even objection, when you deleted it. How does this merit templating my talk page with a warning of discretionary sanctions?
5. I have added no fewer than 14 different sources that reference Gaffney as a conspiracy theorist during the Gaffney Article Sock Wars of several months ago. If you found one that doesn't actually contain the words "conspiracy theorist," well mea freakin' culpa.

I mean, on a psychological level, I get what's going on. You want to be an Admin someday, or maybe you're just unsure of your own place on the WP food chain, and are cultivating a brand image of a stoic WP editor and that requires you to self-affirm by creating a trail of edits that you're towing a neutral line. You couldn't find anyone making overly outrageous edits to template so, being the most prolific editor on these pages, decided to slap it on me. Well I have no desire to be a prop in your self-affirmation exercise, Brustopher. Don't ever post on my Talk page again. LavaBaron (talk) 20:13, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

None of us are right 100% of the time. Acknowledging when we're wrong is no less important than being right. 107.107.63.60 (talk) 20:42, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Using an IP address to continue posting on a user's talk page after being explicitly instructed no to to do so seems like a really terrible idea, Brustopher. Particularly when the posts are related to an article under discretionary sanctions. LavaBaron (talk) 21:33, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Is posting here to categorically deny that the IP is me an exception to the talk page ban? If not feel free to remove this. But that IP is definitely not me. Probably one of the blocked socks in the topic area. Feel free to do an SPI against me if you doubt me. Brustopher (talk) 22:22, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

This is not a SPI issue. This is an issue of you continuing to post to a user's Talk page after being asked repeatedly not to do so. Maybe 107 is your meat-puppet, Brustopher, I don't know and I don't care. You need to stop now before third-party intervention becomes necessary. LavaBaron (talk) 23:37, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Makeandtoss. Unfortunately, newspapers.com doesn't index the New York Times. Do you know if the stories are wire service (Reuters, AP) stories that were just published in the NYT or are they NYT original stories? If they were wire service stories, they were probably printed in another newspaper as well and I could search for them on newspapers.com. Otherwise, there's really no way to access NYT content that's older than the last few years without paying for it (at least that I'm aware). LavaBaron (talk) 01:52, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hi there, this is regarding the RfC you closed here on the basis of no consensus. Over 4 months after the RfC was closed, I do not think anyone else will return to comment, so I think the discussion I tried to restart is the closest we can get to achieving consensus on this. I'm sure more people would come if someone was to try to sabotage this by starting a campaign of people in support of only Central Europe or only Eastern Europe (and one or two years ago I would probably be one of such people), but right now - of those aware of the issue - these are the only Wikipedians who have expressed enough interest in the matter to return to leave their thoughts about this again. I would appreciate it if you could reassess your conclusion and help enforce the solution somehow (even if we've agreed to the usage of Central and Eastern Europe or something like that in the lead of the article, there will still be users who'll continue to revert this change as they have numerous times in the past without ever taking part in discussion). --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again for proposing another RfC. However, I have to ask: what is the Survey section for? Is that to be filled out at the end as a summary of everyone's stance on the matter? Also, will you get a notification about the RfC in 30 days or does it work in a different way? --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 22:35, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Samotny here's an example of a RfC with a "Survey" section and a "Discussion" section. Essentially everyone can lodge their !vote with a brief sentence or two of rationale in "Survey." If people want to respond to each other, or get into more details, they use the "Discussion" section. That way it's easier to quickly skim and get a sense of the consensus. To your other question, I doubt I'll check back at Poland proactively, so if you want to ping me on January 23 I'll come over and close the RfC. LavaBaron (talk) 22:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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@Boing! said Zebedee:, @Berean Hunter:, @The Bushranger:, @Cwobeel:, @Floquenbeam: I believe the recently indeffed socks Zeke1999 and Baramop are probably also socks of Mdubowitz, Liberty20036, Schmooble, 161.185.161.23, and many, many others, and that these are probably institutionally-backed or at least linked. There is a pattern of behaviorally similar editing stretching back several years, most notably inclusive of the tendency to insert the words "left-wing" or "leftist" in front of any media outlet or organization that engages in criticism of a tightly nested group of functionally similar organizations whose physical locations are sited in close geographic proximity to each other and have other structural linkages, including the Center for Security Policy, Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, etc., as well as a functionally similar and coordinated use of templating editors who attempt to intervene. After spending some time looking into it, it became clear to me that I don't have the scope of experience or expertise to even know where to begin with this as it, obviously, eclipses a simple SPI due to the sheer scale, breadth and longevity of what has been occurring. Nonetheless, I didn't want to simply ignore this without at least running the flag up the pole in case it is of interest to anyone else to pursue. Feel free to attention or ignore this message, at your leisure. LavaBaron (talk) 05:31, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

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He Lava, no problem from my side (and I wont' be implementing anything controversial today, as I am going to bed), but just a friendly reminder you are in my calculation at 3 non-vandalism reverts of our beloved article. You may want to take care, just in case a trigger happy admin comes around that doesn't see those 3 as unrelated (the bright line and so on and so forth)... L.tak (talk) 22:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, L.tak, I'm not too worried. Reverting edits that violate an active RfC has usually been held to be a vandalism exception to 3RR. LavaBaron (talk) 00:33, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

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Self revert request re my "vandalism"

Lava, You made a talk page comment via three sequential edits and I'm writing to ask you to self revert part.

1. I have no problem with your first diff, which I ascribe to a simple misunderstanding by you, me, or both of us about technical procedure following "merge" at AFD. I'm not inclined to argue the point because under WP:FOC I am satisfied with your work on that article which is reflected in the the current version as I write Specifically, both of our versions left the article as a redir; we only differed on what was imported to the target article and that's a content issue to be discussed, if at all, at the target article's talk page
2. However, I am requesting you self revert your second and third diff which appears to contain a personal attack and failure to assume good faith - both violations of the Principles in the ARBs' US politics case. The combination of these two edits says

I didn't "revert and tweak", I painstakingly undid your vandalism

Characterizing the BOLD way I attempted to execute the AFD results as "vandalism" strikes me as an ARBAP violation, which I'll ignore if you agree to delete that part. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:14, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

You didn't execute the AfD results. You violated the AfD results by executing a revert instead of a merge, which was the consensus. You then blanked and redirected an entirely separate page that hadn't even been subject to so-much as a Talk page discussion. Both of these, by themselves, meet the objective definition of vandalism and, in combination, absolutely do. As I previously noted [8], I believe this was probably unintentional vandalism by you.

I hope you don't ignore it, because you will only learn and grow as an editor by paying attention to constructive guidance when it's offered.

If you believe this is an ARBAP violation you will need to bring this up at ANI as I'm not in a position to offer you relief, I'm afraid. Hope everything works out, NewsAndEventsGuy - LavaBaron (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

"Unintentional vandalism" is an oxymoron. If future events lead me to believe there is a consistent problem requiring prevention via a formal complaint, it will be filed at AE not ANI. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 00:31, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

That's nice. Good luck with all that. LavaBaron (talk) 00:32, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Self revert request

Please revert the ad hominem you posted in reply to my rebuttal, and the "move to abort" section. If it is "indecipherable" then I would be glad to mutually agree to redraft it and start over. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:43, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

To your first request, I have no idea what you're referencing. To your second request, if you want to redraft it that's your prerogative, you don't need my agreement to do so. LavaBaron (talk) 19:47, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

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Malheur Occupation

Thanks but I have quit that article. The uncivil and threatening antics of "NewsAndEventsGuy" and "Bondegezou" have shown me clearly that they are just going to continue to be assholes and not make it worth trying to improve the content. Since I've been threatened over and over by "News" guy for even asking that there be discussion before radical changes were made, and then he started up an assassination page about me, I give up. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 13:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

And it's really too bad, because there have been several things the past 2 days that should be mentioned in the article that those two haven't bothered to keep up. Such as:

Media reports of the militants destroying artifacts, being compared to ISIS: http://www.forbes.com/sites/kristinakillgrove/2016/01/21/bundy-militia-compared-to-isis-for-pawing-through-native-american-artifacts-destroying-sites/#1e4a32875e2c

Militants saying they will open the refuge to indiscriminate grazing: http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors/2016/jan/21/malheur-militants-say-theyll-open-refuge-grazing/

FBI negotiators communicating with Ammon Bundy: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2016/01/21/ammon-bundy-says-hes-speaking-fbi/79129980/

Gov. Brown appealing to the President to step up action, reimburse costs incurred by the State of Oregon: http://ijpr.org/post/gov-brown-appeals-obama-resolution-malheur-occupation#stream/0

But none of this is even in the article at this point, because I was the only one actually keeping track day to day. And since those two uncivil jackholes who think they WP:OWN the article want to play games and run people off, they can have it, it's not worth the stress of dealing with them. They want to damage the article, they can go right on doing it. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 14:34, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

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Re:ANI... and thanks for trying. :(

I don't see the point in continuing. Bondegezou and NewsAndEventsGuy have made it clear, and the stuff someone (them?) left on my talk page today is pretty much icing on the cake. Chances are I'm just going to quit bothering with wikipedia altogether soon. It really doesn't look like anything is going to make a difference, and even if it ends there, those two will just find some other way to harass me if I come back, or anyone else at the article who asks them to look at the policies and have discussions to figure out the content side of things. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the thanks

Hi there. Got the alert about my edit to User talk:Purplebackpack89. Thank you.

Do you have any recommendations regarding the discussions on the user's talk page or the talk pages for Password Plus and Super Password or List of The Price Is Right pricing games, and/or would you like to participate in those discussions? I'd like to have other editors' input on either side of the issue for both discussions, but I don't think it's appropriate to start WP:3 just yet. Let me know, thanks. AldezD (talk) 16:48, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

80% likely I just quit. Make that 90%.

Either Bondezegou or NewsAndEventsGuy keeps leaving stuff like this [9] on my talk page and the admins - especially "HighInBC" - won't do anything about them. If that's how wikipedia rolls, it's about 80% likely I'm just going to give up. This is clear bullying, harassment and gaslighting on their part. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 18:40, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Given that they left more abuse and now NAEG is trying to blame me for what one of them has been leaving on my talk page [10] make that 90% likely that I quit. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 19:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

If you had taken the extraordinary step of asking for help on your talk page I would have probably protected it sooner. As it stands I took it upon myself to do so. I am not siding with anybody when I ask you not to engage in personal attacks. I sincerely hope you intend to continue to contribute. HighInBC 21:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz - I hope you don't quit. I'll probably be active again on the article by the middle of next week or thereabouts. While I completely understand the frustration you've had to put up with, to echo what HighInBC said, lashing out in frustration - even if a result of you being pushed into a corner as I believe you have been - invariably ends up just making things worse. Maybe just keep a low profile for the next few days and then return. I see a couple of the other regulars have started to filter back and I'm sure there'll be a few more shortly. I understand your frustration with what has happened to the article, but remember that nothing that is done is permanent, everything can be restored and corrected. I'll message you on your wall in a few days and I really hope you decide to stick around until then at least. (Current events topics are invariably the source of frustration, which is why I usually steer clear of them.) LavaBaron (talk) 22:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Forget it. See [11]. NewsAndEventsGuy just intends to keep bullying till he gets a block. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 23:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Also see: [12]. I have left it at the ANI talk page. The similarities between the harassing troll and NAEG's complaints (both complaining that I still edited "related articles") on HighInBC's talk page are too similar for me to ignore. There is little doubt in my mind that NAEG is the troll who was leaving the IP attacks on my talk page.Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 23:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

PVJ - there is a problem for sure. If anyone coughs in front of NEGuy they are accused of making personal attacks against him. It's extremely exhausting. The problem is, these issues effectively are off-limits to raise if there are any instances of editors actually making personal attacks which, as HighInBC pointed out, you have done (as I said, I understand your frustration for doing so). I've started making a running log of NEGuy's various declarations of persecution here [13] (most of it is too old for me to want to sludge through history to pull up diffs so I'm pretty much starting from now forward. For now I'd suggest you feel free to add to it if needed but limit your public commentary. I'm sure this will all blow over soon. LavaBaron (talk) 00:00, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Yeah. I give up. Clearly HighInBC was just shopped for by NAEG, he immediately popped up saying that the diff evidence showing similarity between NAEG and the troll was "not even remotely evidence" (diff: [14]). Since all the bully squad is going to do is keep pushing till they get me blocked, I'm just giving up now. This isn't worth dealing with.

So long, and thanks for all the fish. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 00:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm closing down my involvement with 1-2 pages this morning but I just found this [15]. Looks like NAEG is admitting his goal is to harass any new users by dragging them through the same sort of mud and harassment he did to me.

Plus, noting that within about a minute or two of my providing evidence that NAEG and the talk page IP harasser were one and the same (the IP's 1st 17:36, 24 January 2016 diff matching up with NAEG's 2nd later 21:41, 24 January 2016 diff, both of them demanding that I stay off "related pages") the ANI was closed by HighInBC with his "that's not evidence" nonsense, I know a coverup when I smell one. You were 100% right that it's NAEG who is the issue here. Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz (talk) 13:59, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

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