File:Preferred logo.jpgEdit

Any suggestion, or reason, for requesting a move of File:Preferred logo.jpg? © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 05:54, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

The name isn't descriptive: the filename suggests that it is the preferred logo of an entity, but leaves no information on which entity this is. Or it could be seen as misleading, if you think that it is the logo of an entity called 'Preferred'. Not what you'd usually call something, but companies sometimes choose stupid names. The file itself contains the name of two entities: Hibernian FC and Capital City Service. The image is used in the article Capital City Service, but is unsourced (I don't think that we should trust a 'PD-self' claim for logos) and the entity doesn't seem to have a website (or at least I can't easily find one on Google, and there's no website mentioned in the article), so I can't tell if the logo actually belongs to Capital City Service or not. --Stefan2 (talk) 09:51, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I was referring to it because it appears at Category:Incomplete file renaming requests. For what I looked up on Google, the image is not the official logo, probably it is this one. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 22:22, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
In that case, the file name isn't only confusing but also incorrect. The problem is that the file should be renamed but that the desired target file name is unknown. Also, if, as your comment suggests, the logo is a fake, then the logo should be deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:54, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
That Facebook page looks more like a logo for the associated football club. Not sure about verifying that logo; one photo in that article looks like a very similar flag. I've done the file rename under the assumption that it is not a hoax; if someone can verify that it is incorrect it should be deleted.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:52, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


Just a little thank you for hiding the pictures there. Didn't knew about these copyright problems there. Is there any way they could be avoided?--Ermanarich (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Nonfree images in Gather listsEdit

Sorry about that. It looks like nonfree status of an image is not detected correctly if it the license tag is followed by a rationale template, as the license metadata in the two templates can conflict. I can re-run the bot and regenerate those pages once the bug is (T131896) fixed. --Tgr (WMF) (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

File:Surinam FA.pngEdit

Hi Stefan2. Thanks for catching that mistagging. I'm still not sure whether two non-free of the basically the same file is needed. There is also the question of whether UUI#17 applies. Any suggestions on how to proceed from here? Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:31, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

  • F1 requires two things: the file should be unused (it wasn't) and the file should be identical and in the same file format (one was a vector file and the other was a bitmap file).
It doesn't seem useful to have one PNG and one SVG version of the same logo. For non-free files, there is a simple solution: edit all articles so that articles only contain one of the files. The other file will then be eligible for deletion per WP:F5 a week later. If some use of the PNG file fails WP:NFCC, then an alternative option is to migrate all valid usage to the SVG file and then list the PNG file at WP:FFD. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
The svg file has a nfur for Surinamese Football Association and that usage seems NFCC compliant to me. I don't believe valid nfurs can be written for the svg for the two team articles per UUI#17., so I will discuss the png's usage at FFD. Thanks again for the clarification. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:46, 6 April 2016 (UTC)


Hello, why did you crop out the logo of Ole Miss from my user page? It isn't copyright violation, I am a student there and by that have permission to use. Κοματσουλάκης (talk) 23:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


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Promo Shot.jpgEdit

Hello -- I'm wondering why you have flagged this image? I thought it was going through the process of being moved to Commons? I've attributed the photo to the photographer, who has given me permission to use it. Can you please tell me what else needs to be done here? Thanks! BurtWorks (talk) 16:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

The photographer needs to comply with the process described at WP:CONSENT. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Possibly unfree files is closedEdit

Stefan, please take any future file discussions to files for discussion as possibly unfree files has been closed down. We're working on removing it from Twinkle and other scripts. Thanks, Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:01, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Sure, but until the tools have been updated, we should still accept that there will be some PUF requests, either because the nominator is unaware of the discussion, or (as happened for me yesterday) because someone who is used to sending files to PUF accidentally clicks on PUF instead of FFD out of habit. It risks creating more confusion if we move requests from one venue to another, in particular for the uploaders of files listed there. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:55, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Kent Smith photoEdit

Hi, I haven't logged onto my wikipedia for a while and found today that you had taken down the photo that I posted of Kent Smith, that I said I posted because I took the picture. The reason you gave for taking it down, was that it came from the Green Party of California Flickr Page. I run that page and posted the pic there too!!!! OMG, I can't believe you went to these lengths to take this picture down, when it was something that I took personally. How do we get it back up there? --Mfeinstein —Preceding undated comment added 20:04, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

See WP:IOWN: either change the licence to a free one on Flickr, or send a permission statement to OTRS. Free licences on Flickr are cc-by, cc-by-sa and cc-zero. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

OK thanks, I'll get on Flickr and try and figure out how to do that. I didn't even know it said all rights reserved by default, I don't remember filling out anything that said that when I set up the Flickr page in the first place. --Mfeinstein

File source problem with File:LakeLouise 2.jpgEdit

Thanks for the note - this is my own picture - I can't see how to add a source and so have added a manual narrative and deleted the tag. Where does one edit the source info? B Brookie :) { - like the mist - there one moment and then gone!} (Whisper...) 19:45, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

You wrote that you took the photo. That's the source you were required to provide, so the problem has been solved now. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:10, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


Hello. I now added the non-free use rationale for the logo you deleted on page Stadin derby. It helps readers to identify the logos of both sides involved in the football derby and the logos are presented in the same way as it is on East Lancashire derby page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joonash (talkcontribs) 13:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Joonash. As Stefan2 has pointed out, I have started a discussion on the non-free usage of File:HJK Helsinki Logo.svg at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 April 13#File:HJK Helsinki Logo.svg. I realize you added a non-free use rationale for this particular usage, but simply adding a a rationale does not automatically make a file's usage NFCC compliant. There are 9 other non-free content criteria besides NFCC#10 which need to be satisfied for each usage of non-free content and the aforementioned FFD discussion is about whether WP:NFCC#8 and possibly WP:NFCC#3 (No. 17 of WP:NFC#UUI) are being satisfied.
Finally, the fact that similar files are being used in a similar manner in other articles is not always a good indication of non-free compliance. Non-free usage is required to be contextually significant to the degree that removing it would be detrimental to the reader's understanding of a particular subject so what may be acceptable for one article is not always the same for other articles. Moreover, lots of non-free images are being used incorrectly in articles: the two used in the "East Lancanshire derby" example you gave also do not satisfy NFCC#10c and, thus, have been removed. You're welcome to add any comments that you think are relevant to the file's non-free usage in Stadin derby. The administrator who reviews such discussions will take everything posted into account when deciding on what to do with the file. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:26, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

File:Legends of Callasia.jpgEdit

Hi Stefan2. The file is being used in the article Legends of Callasia, but it is currently moved to the draftspace and I am waiting for a moderator to approve it after making the necessary edits. Monikazapper (talk) 09:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

As noted, the image is not used in any articles; the image is only used in Draft:Legends of Callasia, which is not an article but a drafts. Drafts may not contain non-free images, and you may not upload non-free images for use in drafts until the drafts have been approved. See WP:NFCC#7 and WP:NFCC#9. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:10, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Noted. It was an article when I originally added the image, so I will just wait until it is approved again. Thanks. Monikazapper (talk) 12:17, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Elite: Dangerous Category (Userbox)Edit

Hi Stefan2, I was wondering why you have edited and removed the Elite logo from my new category (Userbox) page:- User:D Eaketts/Userboxes/Elite: Dangerous. Did I breach a rule? D Eaketts (talk) 06:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

See WP:NFCC#9. You can't use non-free files in userboxes. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Ah ok thanks, Will remember in the future. D Eaketts (talk) 11:38, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I was just wondering if there is a way to use non-free files without breaking rule 9?D Eaketts (talk) 15:59, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Images with underlying PD versionsEdit

Is there a way to flag a non-free image which had previous uncopyrightable versions, particularly so that your bot doesn't retag them? (Example: File:Mah e Mir.jpg.) I know about {{split media}}, but that seems like overkill unless someone wants to use the PD version independently. —Cryptic 03:35, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Just my opinion, but if the files are different enough to have a different copyright status, Split Media may indeed be the solution. Otherwise, does {{Nobots|deny=Stefan2bot}} work?Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:59, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
    • The reason I'm reluctant to tag it as split media is because I'm specifically trying to avoid creating busywork for anybody. —Cryptic 06:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
      • My bot scans files for certain categories which suggest that the unfree status possibly is disputed, and refuses to tag those files as it is better to go through such files manually instead. My bot writes a list of such files to a file on my computer which I try to check once in a while. For example, my bot skips files which have been tagged with {{split media}} as it is possible that some of the files under this file name do not have the same copyright status. If you don't want to add {{split media}}, {{bots|deny=Stefan2bot}} should work too. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Question by User:ToreevaEdit

Hello Stefan2, My question is to all my files you included the same request: Here for Pantocrator, but the same for another files: What else I should add if the files contain copyrights info, Author, and licence under CC BY-SA 3.0 which is free. What else should be done?Toreeva (talk) 15:47, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

The copyright holder should follow the process described at WP:CONSENT. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:21, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello Stefan2, would you check again, what is going on with the pictures, and specially with "The New Beginning"? I submitted long time ago with the copyright info, and still they don't move anywhere in the process. These files are:

  • "The New Beginning", 1992. File num: 2016042210018206
  • "The Pantocrator", 1992. File num: 2016042210015932
  • "The End of USSR", 1992. File Num: 2016042210016815
  • "The Song of Songs", 1997. File num: 2016042210017118
  • "The Song of Songs", 1999. File num: 2016042210017369

All docs already submitted with the copyright info. I don't understand why you moved all files for review, and I don't see the end of this process. Please verify, and help me with these files. They should be OK to use. Thanks.Toreeva (talk) 22:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

RE image uploadEdit

Mate, ive no idea who to delete the one in question as i uploaded a much smaller version afterwards.

Nürö G'DÄŸ MÄTË 23:04, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

About that image.Edit

About the image that could be deleted, I will have to start a gallery section in the Mario Kart 8 article. It will start as a stub, but it will have more images. DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 13:59, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

This guy reverted my gallery creation on the Mario Kart 8 Article, I think that is hindering me from keeping the image to stay. DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 14:36, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus, it's from Mario Kart 8..... DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 16:11, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

  • @DatNuttyWikipedian: Please take the time to read WP:NFGALLERY and WP:NFCC#8. Screenshots of most games, including Mario Kart 8, are non-free. Thus, we should only select and include images that are of most value to the reader. Free or not, images such as this and this don't enhance the reader's understanding of Mario Kart 8. A screenshot of two Peaches doesn't tell us anything except that the game has a glitch, which is seldom notable unless it has received coverage from many reliable sources. The screenshot of the menu doesn't tell us anything about the game either except that it has a menu, which most games do. Both images are thus inappropriate for inclusion on Wikipedia, and I support the deletion of both of them. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 17:48, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @ThomasO1989: and @Jo-Jo Eumerus:,the first one Im going to release it into the Public Domain. DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 20:46, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Actually it was from here that image I uploaded, I put in the wrong Copyright. Here's the link to the source of the image:!.jpg DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 21:07, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

@DatNuttyWikipedian: You can't release screenshots from copyrighted works into the public domain. You don't own the copyright. Please become familiar with Wikipedia policies around copyrighted images before you continue further. Even so, like I said before, both your Mario Kart 8 screenshots are not appropriate for Wikipedia. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 21:29, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@ThomasO1989:, I misspoke about releasing it into the Public Domain. Instead refer to my second part of the paragraph Comprende? DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 23:25, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh about forgot, the source is the one with the link to Nookipedia. DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

@DatNuttyWikipedian: Please refer more importantly to the second part of my paragraph too. Your screenshots simply aren't appropriate for display on Wikipedia. Understand? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 03:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

File:WQAL 2016 logo.pngEdit

It's been a while since I've done a transfer. Thanks for facilitating. Levdr1lp / talk 20:48, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

No information imagesEdit

This has about 500 images, any assitance in reduction of this much appreciated. I've found in going through that it still finds unsourced items. :(

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:33, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I've reduced the list a bit by moving a lot of locator maps to Commons and tagging some images as no source, no permission and other things. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:53, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, No objection to the query being run on a regular basis. It should ideally have less than 25 rows returned whent he backlog is cleared. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:55, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


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Re: Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Lvbp.jpgEdit

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OSSTF logo.pngEdit

Please refrain from removing useful templates (Vector_version_available) on files such as OSSTF logo.png. The proper procedure is to set nonfree to equal yes in the template. See: Template:Vector_version_available — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoolCanuck (talkcontribs) 18:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

The page File:OSSTF logo.png violated WP:NFCC#9 as it is a page outside the article namespace which used to contain non-free images. The proper procedure is to remove the non-free images from the page, and the easiest way to do this is to simply remove the {{vva}} template instead of trying to figure out what parameters the template has and what they are called. The template wasn't useful anyway as the same information was already duplicated in the {{di-orphaned fair use}} template. Also, the file currently violates WP:NFCC#7, so it's probably going to be deleted soon, making it useless to waste time on including certain templates on the file information page. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

speedy deletionEdit

Hi Stefan2, I'm new to wiki and was having a hard time with copyrights to a harmless gif. I've taken them all down but I don't know what else to do if i have already deleted it off the page.

  • File:21jumpstreetrdioactivespider.gif
  • File:21jumpstree.gif
  • File:Radioactivespider.gif

thanks lots, JAguayo18 (talk) 20:31, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

The files were copyright violations as they were taken from some random website. You can normally only upload images created by yourself. The main exception is images which are more than a century old or so. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:41, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Yea I found that out after I had uploaded the gif. what can i do now to fix the mistake? JAguayo18 (talk) 01:23, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

You should refrain from uploading files from random websites. See c:COM:NETCOPYRIGHT. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:42, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Kramer Logo.pngEdit

Hi Stefan2, you requested a split on a picture I uploaded about a week ago: File:Kramer Logo.png besides this Version on Wikimedia there is an old/other version on Wikipedia available: File:Kramer Logo.png Regarding these files I have a few questions:

  1. Why did you request a split?
  2. Can you delete the version on Wikipedia?
  3. Would it be better to upload a new file and replace the old ones in the articles?

--Minga (talk) 11:41, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

You should not overwrite old logos with new logos. Old logos and new logos should be uploaded under different file names so that people can use both logos. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:43, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Deletion drillingEdit

Can you do me a favour and kindly refrain from drilling me messages. Five in as many minutes is excessive. If you think images should be deleted, then do it. Don't bother me, please. Thankyou.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Twinkle doesn't allow you to set up different notification rules for different uploaders, and it takes too much time to check who the uploader is. Notifying everyone is much easier than to selectively notify only certain editors. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Mmm, for me a checkbox does show up asking if I want to notify the uploader when I tag an image for deletion... Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:02, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
But the checkbox doesn't reveal who the uploader is and there's no way to have different default status (checked/unchecked) depending on who the uploader is. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:40, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

WOJO & WSHE-FM logosEdit

Someone replaced the logos which I had put on those articles, so there is no reason to keep them. They are just different versions of the same logos.Rudy2alan —Preceding undated comment added 2016-04-28T16:10:35‎

Then simply wait for a week, as stated in the deletion template. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:00, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Got it! Thanks!Rudy2alan


Hello! Please don't delete the two cover I uploaded on that page. I uploaded the same cover twice just because I want to change the files' name. U990467 (talk) 14:39, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

If you wish to rename a file, then you should request renaming instead of uploading a new copy of the same file. If multiple copies have been uploaded of the same file, then we should normally delete the most recently uploaded file so that the original file history is preserved. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
All four covers were uploaded by me. Can you just keep the new one and delete the old one? U990467 (talk) 14:52, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

One Last TimeEdit

French version of the song peaked at number 11 on French Singles Chart while the international version peaked at number 10. It has significant coverage and doesn't fail the policy you have indicated.

It's actually attached to a major commercial release of the song. U990467 (talk) 13:52, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

We do not put galleries of non-free covers in articles, and there is no sourced critical discussion about the covers. One cover is enough. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:02, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

French version of the single has received several live performances and entered the record charts. It has enough coverage that it shouldn't be removed from the page. You can remove the Italian version cover since there's no chart position and live performance for that version. U990467 (talk) 23:31, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Removal of "Utne Reader" image from my SandboxEdit

Hi Stefan2. I see you have just removed an "Utne Reader" cover image from my Sandbox, and pointed me to the relevant rule for non-free images. Please clarify - the objection is that I used the image in my Sandbox, is that correct? Once I complete the article I'm working on there and publish it on Wikipedia, I can then re-enter the image, is that correct? Thanks so much for your help here. - Babel41 (talk) 19:30, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

The image is a non-free image, and the rule is that you can't use non-free images in sandboxes. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:00, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Your disruptive editing and unnecessary needing of citationsEdit

  Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be undone.

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continual disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you.

Please refer to:

* Wikipedia:You don't need to cite that the sky is blue 
* Wikipedia:When to cite
* Wikipedia:Common knowledge
* Wikipedia:The Pope is Catholic
* Wikipedia:Paris is in France

Kilo-echo-lima-victor-india-november (talk) 02:43, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Nonsense. The rule is that files need sources which can be used for verifying their copyright status. See WP:F4. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:03, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Says who? you are the one who is a wannabe and trying to gain power Kilo-echo-lima-victor-india-november (talk) 20:02, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Nonsense. Wikipedia has copyright rules which you are required to follow. See WP:C and WP:NFCC, for example. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:07, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

File RedirectsEdit

When a file is moved, my understanding was that translcusions of it should be updated to the new name.

Hence the following query (I've limited it for the moment to media with 1 transclusion)

I'm slowly working my way through a VERY long list of entries, (something that probably should be done by a bot, as it is on Commons.).

My understanding was that the redirects themselves don't meet criteria for RfD on their own and thus unless they have invalid targets they can stay indefinitely. ( Checking for non existenet targets is a query I wasn;t sure how to do though.)Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:02, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

WP:FMV/W says that After moving the file, please replace all uses of the old file link with the new one. I'm not sure why the page says so. There doesn't seem to be any problems with using a redirect instead of the current file name. There are reasons to avoid using a Commons redirect to a Commons file as the file usage then doesn't show up in c:Special:GlobalUsage, but this problem doesn't apply to locally hosted files. Maybe the sentence was copied from Commons without determining if it was relevant to Wikipedia or not? It seems to me that it is a waste of time to go through all redirects and update the file targets, except in the odd situations where the redirect shadows something else on Commons and thus needs to be deleted.
There is a bot which deletes any redirects to deleted and non-existing files, I think. Is this what you mean with "non-existing targets"? --Stefan2 (talk) 12:27, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes. possibly.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:29, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
I will note many of the earlier entries seem to be 'short' names, so the possibility for a name collision is higher.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:06, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes, but if we get a collision, then we can update the file name when we get that collision. I don't think that there is an urgent need to do this immediately. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:20, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Frontier Communications Corporation logo 2016Edit

I noticed that you tagged the File:Frontier Communications Corporation logo 2016.svg article with the {{Opaque}} template. Inclusion of the background was deliberate. Did you read the discussion on the file's Talk page before you did so? If the background is removed, it would constitute defacement of the logo and it would no longer be an accurate representation of the logo according to Frontier Communications Corporation logo usage guidelines. — Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum)T @ 17:10, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

The company seems to use a transparent background. See for example [1] which the company uses on its website. Why should Wikipedia change the background from transparent to opaque? --Stefan2 (talk) 18:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Because Frontier Communications, like many companies. publishes acceptable use guidelines for its logotypes and logomarks. Such guidelines typically specify the background, the precise colors to be used, minimum size, spacing from adjacent graphics, etc. If we're going to blatantly violate or ignore trademark owners' restrictions on the use of their intellectual properties merely to satisfy a bureaucratic urge to conform to some ill-conceived Wikipedia MOS entries, written by small cliques of editors without benefit of input from legal counsel or the wider Wikipedia community we might as well remove them from Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons entirely. — Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum)T @ 14:19, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Where are those guidelines and why should we follow them considering that the company itself doesn't seem to follow them? --Stefan2 (talk) 17:46, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

May 2016Edit

  You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Wikipedia.   This is your only warning; if you vandalize Wikipedia again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Kilo-echo-lima-victor-india-november (talk) 19:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Nonsense. The one who's vandalising is you. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:06, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

  This is your only warning; if you make personal attacks on other people again, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. the one who is vandalizing is you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kilo-echo-lima-victor-india-november (talkcontribs) 2016-05-03T20:07:21‎

I'm not aware of having made any personal attacks. Please be more specific - and remember to sign your posts. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:09, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

A possible errorEdit

Wikipedia:Non-U.S._copyrights#Subsisting_copyrights seems to say that UK sound Recording have a 50 year term. I think this was recently (in the last few years) changed to be 70. Would you mind checking up on this? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:46, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Article 3.2 of the Copyright Duration Directive says that the copyright term of a sound recording expires after 50 years. However, a few years ago, some other EU directive (not sure which one) extended this to 70 years. As an EU member, Britain is required to follow these copyright terms, so I assume that what you are writing about Britain is correct. I don't know whether this second EU directive restored any expired copyright to sound recordings.
Note that WP:NUSC mainly is concerned about the copyright status in Britain as of 1996, when Britain used a 50-year term. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:59, 3 May 2016 (UTC)


I see you left me a message concerning an unfree image I had uploaded thats now not being used and therefore deletion fodder. Before I decide on my next course of action, I need to ask two questions of you: 1) do you why the image was removed from the article(s) it was in, and 2) do you know which article the image was removed from? I need to find out if this was a consensus thing, a casualty of a page merge or redirect, or just the usual loss of retention of material as we shrink the encyclopedia down. If it was an accident, then I'll readd it, but if it was intentionally removed then it may be time to let it go. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:35, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

  • (talk page stalker) @TomStar81: It was removed from Command & Conquer: Tiberian series (found the article from the NFUR rationale which says it's used there) by @Izno: for violating WP:NFCC#8.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 05:42, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
  • @TomStar81: I removed the set of images because they do not convey any understanding above and beyond what text can (or should) convey. Certainly, all of the images (save the one that went undeleted--showing the architecture of the alien race) are decorative rather than attempting to explain something about the games from the real-world perspective. This means they fail to meet WP:NFCC#8. They are also used more broadly than is necessary, and there are more than necessary, meaning they also fail WP:NFCC#3. Their ability to meet WP:NFCC#5 is also questionable. --Izno (talk) 11:14, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
  • User:TomStar81, I agree that the file violates WP:NFCC#8 in that article. If you dispute this and prefer to have a discussion about the file, then the best solution is probably to list the file at WP:FFD. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
    • Thanks all. And no, I have no interest in disputing the charges. I learned the hard way a very, very, VERY long time ago never to mess with fictional material deletion because its unproductive and no one ever listens to anything I have to say on the matter anyway (and in one particularly memorable case couldn't even classify the fictional material correctly). It was for this reason I swore off creating fictional pages here and avoid editing them as much as possible: Wikipedia simply isn't an encyclopedia where fictional topics can be discussed with any kind of accuracy. All the same I thank you for your replies, and especially for the notification of the impending deletion. I never understood why it was so difficult for editors who removed the images to invest an extra 20 seconds to notify the uploaded that they were gone. I mean its not like they can't figure it out, its information right on the image page for crying out loud... TomStar81 (Talk) 21:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
  The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
For taking an extra 20 seconds to notify an editors of an impending deletion where so many others have preferred to let the editor find out about the deletion ex post facto I hereby bestow upon you this Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar. Going the extra mile is always hard, but its these little things that ultimately make the biggest difference :) TomStar81 (Talk) 21:07, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:VecchioLogoS.B..jpgEdit

I see you left me a messages concerning what's specified in the header of this talk. Right now the situation is linked to this: Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/DJ_Balli I guess it won't be sorted within seven days. What to do? Djscaphandre —Preceding undated comment added 07:32, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

I see that the picture appeared in Sonic Belligeranza, but this page was redirected to DJ Balli by User:Czar, who claimed that the article Sonic Belligeranza fails the notability criterion. I see that User:Czar thinks that DJ Balli doesn't meet the notability criterion either and therefore listed that article for deletion.
The outcome of the article DJ Balli will be determined by the deletion discussion. If you disagree with the claim that Sonic Belligeranza is a non-notable subject, then the solution would seem to be to revert User:Czar's edit which turned the page into a redirect, but you should then assume that he probably responds by nominating that page for deletion too. The outcome of the file File:VecchioLogoS.B..jpg really depends on the outcome of the article Sonic Belligeranza: if the consensus is that we shouldn't have an article on this subject, then the file shouldn't be on Wikipedia. If you think that the article Sonic Belligeranza needs further discussion somewhere, then what we could do is to extend the waiting time for the file so that it isn't deleted while the article is still being discussed. I should add that I have not read any of the articles and I have not read the deletion discussion, so I do not have an opinion on whether the articles meet the notability criterion or not. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for being so clear! The extension of the waiting time for the file is the best thing to me, in fact I'm really busy with job stuff right now, but I'm going to find time to give further proof of notability as requested by User:Czar and then, hopefully, improve the page. Djscaphandre —Preceding undated comment added 19:44, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Removal of rationalesEdit

Separate from the thread above, this edit indicates I should not have removed the rationales. I made a number of similar edits. Should those also be reverted? --Izno (talk) 11:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

  • If you dispute the use of a non-free file, then you could remove the file from the page and tag it as orphaned by adding {{subst:orfud}} and notify the uploader, but it is typically better to leave the existing text on the file information page alone. If it's likely that someone will dispute the removal of the file, then it's better to start a discussion about the file at WP:FFD. In that case, you can leave the file on the page, and a bot will remove the file if the closing admin decides to delete the file. There are also a few delayed speedy tags you can use, such as {{subst:dnfcc|8=yes}} and {{subst:dfu|fails WP:NFCC#8}}. If you use one of those tags, then it is also typically appropriate to leave the file on the page until an admin has decided if the file should be kept or not. Generally speaking, I tend to prefer to use some deletion tag instead of removing the file from the page if it makes the file orphaned, but other users may have other preferences. Doing this is wrong: you removed the information that the file is unfree, and then the file won't be discovered by the bot which tags orphaned non-free files for deletion. I happened to find the file because it didn't contain any templates. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:51, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
    Ah, that makes sense. I've tagged a couple of the other images as f5 (==orfud), so I'll sit and wait on those. --Izno (talk) 12:57, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

URAA related cleanupEdit

A backlog resulting from licensing tag changes a few years ago. :-

As you seem to have a 'desire' to clean stuff up , I was wondering if you could take a look at these and related categories.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:37, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

One problem with such files is that it's very difficult to differ between {{PD-URAA}} and {{Not-PD-US-Subsist}} files without additional information which tends not to be available on the file information pages. Take Category:PD-Japan-oldphoto images with unknown US copyright status, for example. The category reports that Images in this folder have an unknown US copyright status. If an image here was not in the PD in Japan as of the URAA date (January 1, 1996) then the US copyright has been restored and the image should be tagged {{PD-Japan-oldphoto|restored}}. If a file has been correctly tagged with {{PD-Japan-oldphoto}}, then it means that the copyright term under the 1899 copyright act expired before the 1970 copyright act was implemented. This means that all of the files in that category were in the public domain in the source country in 1996, but a subset of those files might have been hit by {{Not-PD-US-Subsist}}. This should mainly be the case with photos which were not published until a long time after they were created. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:16, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want to suggest new categories, I would welcome the assistance, also I won't object if someone updates the template you mention, based on better understanding :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:27, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Category:PD-Japan-oldphoto images for review is where most of the above will now be categorised, but I'd appreciate you cleaning up the language on the template and the category.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

About that file deleted Sunday.Edit

That image was supposed to be a Personal Image before it was deleted. Thanks in advance. DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 01:29, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Man that image being deleted is like losing a Friend..... from a sad DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 01:32, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Do you mean File:6 Princess Peaches?!.jpeg? That's a non-free file. We can only keep non-free files if they are used in at least one article, and you can't put non-free files on your user page. See WP:NFCC#7 and WP:NFCC#9. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:48, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Would it be okay to reupload it from Nookipedia? DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 14:41, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Expressiontable.pngEdit


A tag has been placed on File:Expressiontable.png requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". I do want to delete this image, but I am not sure how to find contest the nomination. Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Penal007 (talk) 9:00, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

See c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Expressiontable.png. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:21, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

File:Oldcoatofarms.jpg / File:"De Beus" Coat of Arms.jpgEdit

Hi Stefan,

You renamed File:Oldcoatofarms.jpg to File:"De Beus" Coat of Arms.jpg. But it's now a different file to what used to be at the original name: look. What's happened, and how can the old file be restored? The De Beus image is now appearing wrongly on three articles.

Thanks,  — Scott talk 16:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

There was one File:Oldcoatofarms.jpg on Wikipedia and one c:File:Oldcoatofarms.jpg on Commons. The one on Commons was renamed and the one on Wikipedia was deleted. See Special:Log. I've removed the "De Beus" coat of arms from the three articles on English Wikipedia as it isn't supposed to be in those articles. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


...I see your point, but I do not agree with the entire template being restored. The template should be set up as a wrapper for Template:Ffd2 with multi=yes as well as allowing 1=, Uploader= and Reason=. I may try to figure this out here in a few, but I recall you tried to do the opposite of this merge, so maybe you may be able to brainstorm how to do this as well. Steel1943 (talk) 22:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

  • I think this edit resolves both of our concerns in a "middle-ground" sort of way. Steel1943 (talk) 22:16, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Users expect {{subst:ffd2a}} to work, so you should not break the template until a wrapper exists.
I think that the code would be easier to maintain if the merge is done the other way around instead. That would give us two shorter templates instead of one huge template: {{ffd2}} would contain a few lines implementing the header and reason parameters, while {{ffd2a}} would contain various links to the file. For the moment, {{ffd2}} begins with a large chunk of template code, and I think that it would easier to find the things you want to edit if it is split up in two templates. Also, {{ffd2a}} gives you better output than {{ffd2}} if no uploader is specified. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:18, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Templates are not required to be made for non-technical editors to be able to maintain easily, so I don't share your concern regarding "...two shorter templates instead of one huge template...". However, regarding your concern about the Uploader parameter: Visually, the only differences I could see between the two is that the error doesn't appear when Uploader= is empty in {{Ffd2a}}. If this needs to be replicated on {{Ffd2}}, the Uploader parameter on {{Ffd2}} could be encapsulated with another parameter to completely blank the text generated by Uploader that could be exclusive to {{Ffd2a}} as a wrapper. (Personally, I don't support encapsulating the Uploader parameter in the multi parameter that would cause the Uploader text to be blanked when multi= is populated since sometimes, grouped files could have different uploaders.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:29, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
That, and I failed to find how else the previous state of {{Ffd2a}} different from {{Ffd2}} in regards to the displayed links. I looked through the history of {{Ffd2a}}, and I have to assume that the changes you referenced disappeared over time via edits to the template, but then again, I may be not seeing what you are talking about for some reason. Steel1943 (talk) 22:35, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
Templates are not required to be made for non-technical editors to be able to maintain easily – but that's not a reason to deliberately make it difficult to maintain a template. The easier it is to maintain a template, the better. If a template is difficult to maintain, then it's more likely that you will make a typo when adding large sequences of ending } signs. Should there be a sequence of six or seven of them, and how many have been added? If you have to count signs like this, you will likely end up making an error, and then you need to spend more time on debugging the code. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
What you just said "...If a template is difficult to maintain, then it's more likely that you will make a typo when adding large sequences of ending } signs...": You just explained the very reason why the template editor user right has such strict requirements, and that entire sentence backs up my point. Templates aren't designed to be easily editable; they are designed to be functional. Anyways, unless we can discuss a resolution to resolve the concern regarding the Uploader parameter as discussed above, I'm probably not going to discuss this anymore since this discussion has now taken a tangent that has essentially nothing to do with how to resolve the issue with transitioning {{Ffd2}} and {{Ffd2a}} to a less redundant amount of code in each other. Steel1943 (talk) 23:25, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I think it was very inconsistent that {{ffd2}} had a mandatory "uploader" parameter while {{ffd2a}} had an optional parameter. PUF didn't allow specifying an uploader at all, if I remember correctly. I would suggest making the parameter optional everywhere. Does the current sandbox look acceptable to you? --Stefan2 (talk) 23:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
I see what the difference is. Looks good to me as it seems to completely suppress that text in certain situations. Steel1943 (talk) 04:41, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
User:Steel1943, this has now been implemented together with another change: if you click on the "notify" button, then the file name will be automatically filled in. Previously, you had to insert the file name manually.
Another thing: If you use {{subst:ffd2|multi=yes}}, then it seems that the template inserts an extra empty line at the top which shouldn't be there. Any suggestion on how to get rid of this line? --Stefan2 (talk) 20:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Turns out that I was working on this the same time you were. I'll see what you put into the sandbox and compare. Either way, I may have discovered a solution that could hide the space, provided that {{Ffd2a}} doesn't break in the process due to having to go through 2 wrappers to verify parameters. (If I recall, going through multiple wrappers breaks a template, but I don't remember right now.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
User:Steel1943/Template:Ffd2/core essentially looks like a recreation of {{ffd2a}} as a standalone template, so the code might as well just be moved there if you are moving that code to the template namespace. However, that page, as currently designed, doesn't work (and {{subst:ffd2/sandbox|Example.svg|multi=yes}} currently includes two copies of it).
Note that {{ffd2a}}, as written before you turned it into a wrapper, didn't have the problem with line breaks. We could check in which way that template differed from the current template. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, I just tested {{Ffd2/sandbox}} here, and I also noticed that "multi" returned duplicate entries. (I probably missed a couple of }}s somewhere.) But to your point about why {{Ffd2a}} did not need duplicate code in its previous revision: That is because its previous version had the bulk of its code on "line 1", whereas in {{Ffd2}}'s current state, "line 1" is a header trigger and "line 2" is the bulk of the code. My thoughts are that if the "bulk of the code" is present in both line 1 and line 2 (and "line 2" can be blanked when "multi" is active), that could resolve the spacing issue. (However, then the code would probably best have a central location to avoid redundancy, so I see what you are saying about {{Ffd2a}} now.) Yeah, I seem to be going in circles myself now. But either way, yes, with this idea, the future "Template:Ffd2/core" page would look similar, if not identical, to what {{Ffd2a}} looked like in the past. Steel1943 (talk) 21:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Special:PermanentLink/719631464 works if multi=yes is used. However, if it isn't used, then a line break is missing. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:19, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Right, because the blank line is the blanked line where the header would be if "multi" was not used. My idea is that if "line 1" is somehow set up to run the code in "line 2" if "multi" is populated but at the same time blank "line 2" if "multi" is populated, that would resolve the spacing issue since the code would be in "line 1" instead of "line 2", making the space disappear when "multi" is used. Steel1943 (talk) 21:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
(On a related note, if the solution was a simple as adding a <br> after the equals signs that are part of the header, I would not be trying to do this code duplication. See here.) Steel1943 (talk) 21:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Right, because the blank line is the blanked line where the header would be if "multi" was not used. Doesn't seem to be correct. In that case, Special:PermanentLink/719626705 would have worked, but it didn't work.
Note that {{subst:#ifeq:yes|yes|:test}} automatically inserts a line break if not placed at the beginning of a line. I suspect that this somehow has something to do with the problem... --Stefan2 (talk) 21:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
You're right about the space. At this point, I'm out of ideas and I'm throwing in the towel. Steel1943 (talk) 21:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
On a final note, the only other idea I have would be similar to how I found a way to remove the blank lines when "Reason" is empty, but since the same resolution here would require code to be added after the section header on the same line as the section header as well then making the first line have only that line of code - ( ) (see text since I do not know how to disable this code), it wouldn't work anyways. But, maybe you have an idea that could form out of that information since I'm not coming up with any. Steel1943 (talk) 21:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Also, migrating some code to a different template (like {{ffd2a}} or {{User:Steel1943/Template:Ffd2/core}}) won't work if we want to check that the file name isn't File_name.ext, something we should check because new editors sometimes copy the code from the documentation without realising that the file name should be replaced. I suspect that the old {{ffd2a}} only worked because the template didn't search for this file name. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:00, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
You can't add &nbsp; on the header line because it breaks the header. You can't add it on the following line either as it makes the colon display as a normal colon instead of indenting the line. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Right, (which is essentially why I'm now out of ideas.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:06, 10 May 2016 (UTC)


so here is the deal.

An editor for a PR firm who I am helping get oriented here, originally uploaded the logo to the commons and said he owned it. He doesn't. So i tweaked the categories to set it up for speedy deletion. Then I changed the name and uploaded it again just to Wikipedia with a fair use rationale, which is what I believe is correct. I anticipated that the upload on the commons would soon be deleted.

I don't know know if that is helpful, but that is what I was doing. I wanted there to be a fair use version left for the draft article.

I don't know what your goal is but hopefully it ends up at the same place. But this is not accurate. It is not a plain text. Jytdog (talk) 11:44, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Looks simple enough to me. If unfree, as suggested by you, then it can't be on Wikipedia since it isn't used in the article namespace, see WP:NFCC#7 and WP:NFCC#9. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:29, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
I exactly copied the rationale used here: here so you should delete that as well. Whatever. Jytdog (talk) 09:49, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
You are the one who insists that the logo is unfree (although I don't agree). I the logo is unfree, then it simply can't be used in the draft namespace. File:Bristol-Myers Squibb logo.svg is unrelated as it is not used in the draft namespace. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for editing filenameEdit

Thank you for editing filename, I could see how to do that. Here is another small problem. This photo can be deleted, i couldnt see how, can you do that? this was my first upload of the same file to the wring place and is now redundant.

Tangray-nick (talk) 14:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC) Tangray-nick (talk) 14:07, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

  • The file has been tagged for deletion, so an admin will probably delete the file soon. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:53, 8 May 2016 (UTC)


If I find more info about the statue, which is at the New Mexico History Museum, in reliable sources, that means it can be moved to an appropriate section, right? WhisperToMe (talk) 15:26, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

  • What do you mean? The file currently violates WP:FREER. Pictures like this need two copyright tags, see {{photo of art}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
    • Since I took this photograph myself that means I would simply add a public domain (from the photographer) tag. therefore there would be only one real copyright tag (from the sculptor of the statue) WhisperToMe (talk) 23:29, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
I added a "photographer's license" of public domain to File:AngelicoChavezStatueSantaFeNM.JPG WhisperToMe (talk) 00:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

File:EU Passport Cyprus 2016.JPGEdit

Hi Stefan2. Not suggesting keep or delete, but I just thought you should know about c:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard#Commons:Deletion requests/File:EU Passport Cyprus 2016.JPG -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Pentru tineEdit


You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly. (talk) 08:13, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Which edit(s) and which page(s) are you talking about? --Stefan2 (talk) 10:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Query on permissionsEdit

No creative input by the tog

Re post on my talk page. My camera, I set it up, set up the shot, handed it to someone nearby to release the shutter. Not that the wiki needs this photograph, but I'm interested in how WP sees the creator role in this situation. --Pete (talk) 10:30, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

The copyright holder is normally the photographer, in this case 'someone nearby'. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:49, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Normally. But when the shot is taken with my camera and I provide all the technical and creative input to set up the shot the way I want? This is not a new situation, I trust? --Pete (talk) 10:54, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm by no means an expert on the subject, and I'm just randomly waltzing by, but if it's your camera and the photo is taken at your suggestion, Pete, I'm sure you would qualify as the "official copyright holder". If I ask a stranger to take a picture of me and my girlfriend next to the Leaning Tower of Pisa while on vacation, I don't think that this random individual would be the final decision maker regarding the potential use of that particular image; I would expect the copyright laws to be somewhat relaxed in such an event, but again, I'm no expert. Regards, Doctor Papa Jones • (Click here to collect your prize!) 14:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Again, I'm not wedded to this particular image being in WP, but my own investigation informs me that it's not something cut and dried. If we're handing out image deletions, then we should have a reasonable idea of the basis for the action. I remember the infamous "monkey selfie" a while back, where we found that the photographer had no copyright over the images snapped by the ape, but nor did he have any creative input, apart from making the camera available. --Pete (talk) 18:51, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


Hellow I am the admin of FB page Jayadev galla. I added this picture to wikimedia for public use. svsreeram0 jaygalla.jpg. If you still have questions Please go to page and send a message I will reply with permission to use for wiki. If you still want to delete...I have no answer...i noticed you guys removed my earlier upload also. If you don't like to keep media even without any copy rights of our own work and want to keep wiki ugly without pictures. i will leave that decision to you. svsreeram0

Hellow I am the admin of FB page Jayadev galla. I added this picture to wikimedia for public use. svsreeram0

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Svsreeram0 (talkcontribs) 17:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC) 
  • See WP:IOWN for the correct procedure. Also, there does not seem to be a way to send messages at without creating an account on that website. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

AS I am administrator of the page.. I can send the email to you or any email that you request here from facebook page if that helps to confirm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Svsreeram0 (talkcontribs) 17:27, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

  • See WP:IOWN for the correct procedure. Evidence that you are the copyright holder (photographer) should be sent to OTRS, not to me. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:35, 14 May 2016 (UTC)


100px Appreciation
Hope that matter has now been rectified. Thanks & Regards Mewga (talk) 10:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
There is still no evidence of permission. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

The joy of all things sandbox.Edit

Regarding use of the civil service logo - fair point, well made. However, a polite message would have been a more courteous route to take as it is still in my Sandbox getting constructed. I totally concede to your point and I am grateful as I am still moulding the article. I just think that it's bad form. What-ho; hope you are having a nice Sunday relax. Best wishes. The joy of all things (talk) 12:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

A jn. in khammamEdit

How can I prove that, it was taken from my friend's mobile.Imahesh3847 (talk) 08:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

The photographer should comply with the process described at WP:CONSENT and prove ownership of the Facebook account. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:01, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

File:Tata Air Lines' Airline Timetable Image, October 1938 (interior).jpgEdit

Always glad to be proved wrong, but can you explain why in this instance? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:27, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Also can you update the advice here so I, others and Commons are workign to ONE interpretation please,

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

According to the template on Commons:
Wikipedia's template does not list 'works of corporate authorship', so there is an error in one of the templates, not sure which one. The Wikipedia template uses {{contradict-other}} because it differs on this point and on a few other points.
When {{PD-India}} says that the copyright expires 60 years after an event (death, publication or creation), it means that the copyright expired 50 years after the event if the event took place before 1941. This is also stated in the template documentation. This is because of a copyright term extension in the 1990s. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:16, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
OK So it seems someone is wrong here, So I won't be doing any more cleanup in the category.

It would be helpful in the template was more explicit, about the above situation.

Can you point me to the EXACT "saving" concerned?, because the links from Copyright law of India doesn't on a first glance seemingly say anything about existing works having a shorter term, merely because there were published prior to the passage/commencement of the (ammended) Copyright Acts. When was the term extended?. (By comparison when the UK extended from 50 to 70 in 1988, earlier works that were still in copyright got extended. 1996-50 would be 1946, not 1941, so it depends on what precisely what any saving actually said. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:39, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

It's because of section two of "Act 13 of 1992", I think. It changed "fifty" in to "sixty" at various places (effective 28 December 1991), but didn't affect the copyright status of works which had already entered the public domain before 28 December 1991. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Also, Sfan00 IMG, Britain switched to 70 years in 1996, not 1988. The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, as written in 1988, says 50 years. Britain changed to 70 years in The Duration of Copyright and Rights in Performances Regulations 1995, effective 1 January 1996. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, but It seems I was right about the 'revived' copyrights thing :( Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
As you seem to have re-jigged the advice on the PD-India category: Can I aks you to figure out the dates on the various other PD-<jursdiction> templates? PD-Australia seems to be the biggest category, but the license template has an advice block concerning the URAA issue. PD-Canada doesn't seem to ( Will check commons.) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 21:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I believe that the below can be used for most files:
  • Photos created before 1949 (Canada) / 1954 (Australia): The copyright expired 50 years after creation.
  • Works other than photographs published during the lifetime of the author: The copyright expires 50 years after the death of the author. In Australia, this is increased to 70 years if the author died after 1954.
  • Works by anonymous or pseudonymous authors: The copyright expires 50 years from publication. In Australia, this is increased to 70 years if the work was first published after 1954.
  • Government works: 50 years from publication, regardless of whether this is longer or shorter than the above. Australia sometimes uses 50 years from creation (not publication) for government photographs, but Canada doesn't use this I think.
At some point, Britain decided that the copyright to literary, dramatic and musical works and engravings expires 50 years after the death of the author or 50 years from publication, whichever is later (thereby giving perpetual copyright to unpublished works). I think that Australia and Canada have imported modified versions of the rules and implemented a number of cut-off years where the countries switch from one system to another system, so the rules appear to be very complex. Consider ignoring works which were not published during the lifetime of the author for the moment. There can't be many of them on Wikipedia anyway. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:18, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

No galleryEdit

bsd. While i understand the purpose of NOGALLERY, in some maintenance categories like Category:Images that should have transparent backgrounds it makes it really difficult to work. In said category, besides for easily seeing files that don't belong there, it really helps to know which image to choose before opening it. Many images are inappropriately converted to PNG, and therefore are bad to begin with, so you just skip them. Also, you can check images which are text only, and change their license, among many other maintenance tasks. Without thumbnails, you have to open each one individually, it's just a needless pain. Please consider an exception, as this is for maintenance purposes only. Thank you --Ben Stone 20:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

This looks like a potential candidate to be included in Category:Wikipedia non-free content criteria exemptions (thus allowing removal of NOGALLERY), but according to the category page, you can only add subcategories to Category:Wikipedia non-free content criteria exemptions after a successful request at WT:NFC, so I suggest making a request there. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks --Ben Stone 21:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

SVG and fair useEdit



(Regarding File:Western Power logo.png and File:Western Power New.svg)

I know there has been some discussion about the use of SVG files for logos. I apologize for not recalling where that discussion occurred or what the resolution was. I suspect you are likely to have been involved so I'm hoping you can point me to it.

At the risk of revisiting issues which may have been resolved, I note that our licensing statement prominently states:

It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under Copyright law of the United States. (Emphasis in original)

While SVG images have very attractive properties, one of those attractive properties turns out to be problematic. SVG images scale nicely, which means we can no longer accurately state that we are using a low resolution image.

In the case of free images, I agree that an SVG version is almost always preferable. However, when a perfectly acceptable low resolution PNG version exists, I see the SVG version not as an improvement but as a problem. Has the community decided otherwise?

(I'm leaving for a 3 day trip shortly, apologies if my responses are delayed).--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:21, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Non-free SVG files may be used provided that the files comply with WP:NFCC#3b. However, it is unclear how to determine if an SVG file complies with WP:NFCC#3b or not.
The pixel count can be a good measure for the resolution of bitmap graphics. However, SVG files work differently. It's maybe useful to use the vector count to measure the resolution of an SVG file, but it is not trivial to reduce the vector count if there are too many vectors. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick: The purpose of the "low-resolution" requirement is that we're not trying to be a gallery or repository of high-quality (restrictively) copyrighted images. When the New York Times takes a nice high-resolution photo and publishes it on their website, they are doing that to attract visitors to their website. If we use that photo under a claim of fair use, we are detracting from their ability to enjoy the fruits of their labor. With an SVG, none of that is remotely applicable. (Western Power does not sell ad revenue from people going to their website to gawk at their logo.) Most large businesses even make available vector or large camera ready copies of their logo because they want you to use a high-quality official logo. There is every technical reason to prefer SVG and, so long as we are going to continue to accept any images under a claim of fair use, no good "free content" reason not to use SVG. --B (talk) 14:23, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Directv Userboxes imageEdit

Well according to what you cited on my talk page it can be used for identification and is marked as fair use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheUSConservative (talkcontribs) 15:32, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

It's a non-free file, meaning that its use is restricted. For example, it may only be used in articles but not in userboxes. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

File:Meera 1947 poster.jpgEdit

Can you take a look? The uploader claims there's an FUR there already, but I don't see it.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:59, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Permission Granted for Photo Uploade; now what?Edit

Hi Stefan2. You provided comments on a photo I uploaded to my submission on Halvard Storm, specifically on the use of a photo of his gravestone. The photographer has provided a permission statement in accordance with Wiki guidelines. Can I now upload the photo? Thank you, Kurzenhauser — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kurzenhauser (talkcontribs) 03:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

File:Faris al-Khoury013.jpgEdit

Hi Stefan2, the picture in question was taken around 1905 in Syria, a time and place where photo copyrights were non-existent in the said country; moreover the person who uploaded the picture is not related to the subject and does not own the picture, because the same picture has been used by other journalists. So, the picture is more than a century old, how can I rectify the permission part, when the 110 year old photo has been used by different journalists and historians? George Al-Shami (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

You wrote that the image comes from the website and that the copyright holder[who?] has released the picture to the public domain. Since I couldn't find any evidence for your claim, the file was tagged for lack of evidence of permission.
If the picture was taken around 1905, then it is possible that the copyright has expired, but there is currently no evidence that the image was taken around that time, and there is also no information on when the picture was first published or in which country it was first published. More information is needed in order to determine if the copyright has expired or not. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

File ReucapitasEdit

I am the author of this file. It's free of rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Claudre (talkcontribs) 03:33, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Go awayEdit

Bored now. You're no longer welcome on my talk page. Guy (Help!) 11:16, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

So it's now at ANI, since you're refusing to comply with policy. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:27, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
If I ever find myself as thoroughly disagreeable a person as you, I will overdose on something and self-solve the problem. HalfShadow 19:02, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


Technically no source but it's old and probably anlisted self by the uploader..Sfan00 IMG (talk) 15:35, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

The file has a source. The description says map created from outline map from Morris County website. Morris County lists three counties with this name. I suspect that the websites of all three counties normally host unfree maps. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

File cleanupEdit

I'm not getting in the way of your efforts am I? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:05, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

If you mean things like the files you listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 May 21, then no.
I've discovered and been checking three categories where many of the files seem to have problems:
To make it easier to find problem files, I've excluded files with deletion or OTRS tags. --Stefan2 (talk) 09:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
BTW The reason, I was being a bit more paranoid in sending things to FFD was because you'd listed some oness i'd applied "presumed-self" work to a few days ago. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:31, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I've been going through Category:Copyright holder released public domain files after finally finishing up with Category:Files requiring attribution. That actually took a couple of years believe it or not! Kelly hi! 21:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)


If you are quite certain that the world will be a better place if the above file is deleted, go right ahead. Nankai (talk) 03:16, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, the problem is that there is no evidence of permission. --Stefan2 (talk) 08:04, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Help neededEdit

Hi Stefan2, I had uploaded logo for a magazine named sister-hood. I have received a message from you which is this ==Speedy deletion nomination of File:Sister-hood logo.jpg==

What I am supposed to do to sort this. I had received this logo from Deeyah Khan, she is the managing editor of this magazine and told me that this is a free file.--Jogibaba (talk) 10:06, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

You uploaded two copies of the same file. We only need one copy of the file, so I nominated the dupe for deletion. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:45, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
I am extremely sorry that I messed up too much, I was just trying to replace the older logo with a new one. Can you please sort this for me. If you need a written permission from Deeyah Khan, I can arrange that also to keep the new logo and not get that deleted. The new logo is also shown in this article and I got the copy of this logo from Deeyah Kahan. (talk) 11:50, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Questions about File deletionEdit

Hi. No, I'm not one of those complaining about their file being nominated for deletion. I'm here to ask questions.

I joined Wikipedia on 2014 and I was quite immature in my first years. I'd like to personally confess that File:Lourdes School of Quezon City, GS Grounds.png is not my own photograph, but an image from my classmate in the school on Facebook. No, he did not release the image in public domain or in a free license and is under copyright. I can't find the original post of the image, it might have been deleted.

I can't seem to find a way to nominate the file for deletion since deletion in Wikipedia is quite different from Commons. I'd like to ask if this is enough for the file to be deleted? Is there still a need to show proof that it's not my image? --J-Ronn (talk) 10:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

I've listed the image at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 May 22#File:Lourdes School of Quezon City, GS Grounds.png. You're free to comment there, or you could add {{db-g7}} to the file if you want it deleted speedily. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:15, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Stefan. I added a comment on the Files for discussion page. Is it fine if I still add {{db-g7}} on the file's page when I already commented on the Files for discussion page? --J-Ronn (talk) 12:32, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
(stalk), If you've found a mistake in relation to something you uploaded, and want to apply G7 you can do so in parrallel with an FDD process, as I understand it. Unless the G7 would be controversial, which this did not seem to be. Thanks for owning up BTW.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:54, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Message from User:RdanninEdit


Re the File permission fix at (File:BeckmanDrawingII.jpg) the artist and copyright holder, Jolie Stahl has sent me a permissions release to use this image on her wiki page, cc'd to Please do not mark this image for deletion. Okay?

Dear Robert Dannin, I, Jolie Stahl, am the artist, creator, owner, and copyright holder of the following images & files uploaded to my Wikipedia pages: File:BeckmanDrawingII.jpg File:Bbq athena.jpg I hereby give you permission to publish these images on my Wikipedia. Jolie L. Stahl

Rdannin (talk) 14:09, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Some notes:
  • When you contact a user on his talk page, click "new section" at the top of the page. Do NOT blank all other sections on the page.
  • When you contact a user on his talk page, do not mark the edit as minor if you want the user to see the message.
  • Permission should be sent to OTRS, not to me. Based on the above, it looks as if it was also sent to OTRS, so I guess that's fine.
  • The permission statement above appears to be limited to use on Wikipedia. This means that the permission is insufficient.
  • It looks as if permission was sent for one of the files, File:BeckmanDrawingII.jpg, back in 2014 as OTRS member NahidSultan added an OTRS template at that point. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

"The permission statement above appears to be limited to use on Wikipedia. This means that the permission is insufficient."

What is that supposed to mean? Are there better rights alternatives, or are you suggesting another letter from the artist? It seems you're so busy policing Wikipedia, that you don't have time to fully explain yourself.

Rdannin (talk) 15:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

"It looks as if permission was sent for one of the files, File:BeckmanDrawingII.jpg, back in 2014 as OTRS member NahidSultan added an OTRS template at that point. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:34, 22 May 2016 (UTC)"

I tried to find the template but couldn't. Please send me the direct link. I don't do this for a living. Rdannin (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi, I've replied the author asking to provide us a license for those file. ~ Nahid Talk 17:11, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Re: [Ticket#2014052210020991] right to publish images on

ok, thanks. why wasn't i alerted about another deletion? (below)

i post new images to this site from time to time. i always obtain the artist's permission. can you please explain the proper procedure?

11:27, 22 March 2016‎ CommonsDelinker (talk | contribs)‎. . (16,268 bytes) (-150)‎ . . (Removing ""…traveling_in_Asia_Minor,_be_home_soon".jpg", it has been deleted from Commons by Jameslwoodward because: Per c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:"…traveling in Asia Minor, be home soon".jpg.)

Rdannin (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

That file was nominated for deletion at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:"…traveling in Asia Minor, be home soon".jpg. The nominator, BrightRaven, notified you in c:Special:Diff/190355842. Since nothing happened, Jameslwoodward deleted the file one week later. If a permission statement is sent for that picture too, then the file can be undeleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:27, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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"Presumed self" filesEdit

As you are finding a number of these, is it possible to build a query that lists the images where I added {{infromation}} but where the license wasn't a self one? I'd like to review, but going through 6 years worth of Special:Contributions isn;t exactly productive. 19:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfan00 IMG (talkcontribs)

It is not possible to write a query which finds out by whom a template was added, at least not without using the text table which is not publicly available. It is possible to search for edit summaries, so I made an attempt with quarry:query/10019 for files which have {{information}} but not {{PD-self}} or {{self}} and where you made an edit with the edit summary adding {{Information}}; adding using [[Wikipedia:FurMe|FurMe]]. This apparently returned 9096 files, but a lot of the files have different variants of PD-old and PD-USGov and such things, so the query output doesn't look useful in its current state, but I guess it could be improved. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:11, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
That should cacth some of them, I think some of them may have been combined summaries with an mtc style tag or a rename media. It's a start:) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 22:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm pausing on this for a moment, as I'd like a second opinion on this Special:Diff/721997059. I did check the history.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:45, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
My current workign version of the query is - really out to be a wiki link for these ?Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:46, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want wikilinks, then you can try SELECT CONCAT('[[:File:', p.page_title, ']]'), CONCAT('[[Special:Diff/', r.rev_id, ']]') and then click on Download data and select Wikitable. This should give you a text file with wikicode which you can put on a page in your userspace.
Note that NFUR not needed needs to be changed into NFUR_not_needed.
Special:Diff/721997059 is not correct as you removed the GFDL disclaimer. This should be {{GFDL-self-with-disclaimers}} instead, but otherwise it looks correct. The uploader clearly identifies this as his own work. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Hmm that might present another issue to look for, but it should onyl be about 500 or so edits to scan thorugh vs 4000 Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


The image at Madonna (Madonna album) was supposedly uploaded by an original sockpuppet, hence I had replaced with another .png version. Will it be possible for you to delete the duplicate version? I'm asking this, if its not possible then I will revert my addition as I believed that sockpuppet additions are not allowed. —IB [ Poke ] 11:13, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure that the uploader of File:Madonna, debut album cover.png is a sockpuppet? Looking at Special:WhatLinksHere for the user page, I found Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ElPilotoDi/Archive#14 November 2014 which was reported by you, but the two checkusers decided to close the request without taking any action. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


I'd like a second opinion, The uploader claims that because a now deleted item was never published in the US, it wasn't subject to URAA. Can you quote chapter and verse on what the CORRECT situation is? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:30, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Right, owing to certain comments made elsewhere, I am now asking you to directly justify your stance on URAA restorations. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:25, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
The user seems to have removed the section from his talk page.
A big problem is that the URAA issue is so complex, so it's easy to get something wrong. In the past, USA required authors to comply with copyright formalities, and the same formalities were used for both domestic and foreign works. Authors outside the United States were often unaware of the formalities imposed by the United States, and therefore most such works fell out of copyright in the United States, although a few works remained copyrighted there as some authors were aware of the formalities. Also, United States copyright law didn't contain any provisions which would allow unpublished works to enter the public domain, so unpublished works remained copyrighted in the United States. There are now provisions for unpublished works to enter the public domain, see {{PD-US-unpublished}}.
In 1989, USA joined the Berne Convention. Other countries argued that USA hadn't implemented article 18 of the convention correctly. This was fixed in 1996 when USA restored the copyright to numerous works ('URAA restoration') if the work hadn't yet fallen into the public domain in the source country. This is regardless of whether the work has been published in the United States or not. Works which were still copyrighted in the United States prior to the URAA restoration remain copyrighted in the United States for their full United States copyright term, regardless of whether the work was still copyrighted in the source country in 1996.
There is another part of the Berne Convention, article 7 (8), which has not been implemented by the United States. Article 18 explicitly permits countries to choose not to implement article 7 (8). This means that there are lots of works which are protected in the United States but not in the country of origin, and this confuses a lot of users. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)


Rather than clog up FFD , I ve started tagging image like this as {{Presumed self}}. I won't object if you subsqeuently FFD refer them though. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

From the uploader on production EdChem (talk) 15:29, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the statement on the talk page implies that all files uploaded by that user are own work by the uploader. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Non-free logo: Damaging the codeEdit

Hi, re. your edits to "Vector version available" tags - they damage the code and result in displaying garbage, like they did at File:Ryanair logo 2013.png.

If you want to hide the thumbnail of a non-free image, just add to the template code:

| nonfree=yes

More info here. — kashmiri TALK 15:44, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

As the file simply is going to be deleted, it doesn't really matter if {{vva}} 'displays garbage' or not. Commenting out the file name is the fastest way to fix the WP:NFCC#9 violation. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I assume you do the same with other images (sorry no time to go through your contributions). No need that Wikipedia displays garbage code even for a week, so tried to help. — kashmiri TALK 15:50, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Waterlogic logo.jpgEdit


Thanks for uploading File:Waterlogic logo.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Cloudbound (talk) 21:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Image patrolEdit

Can I trouble you to do a quick review of my efforts with respect to I am trying to be reasonable where I find items that are almost certainly own work (but not labelled as such.), by asking the uploaders to "claim" the media concerned. (See my contribs history) 11:06, 3 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfan00 IMG (talkcontribs)

That query finds files in Category:PD other reasons, Category:Files from freely licensed external sources and Category:Files licensed by third parties. Those are almost certainly not own work by the uploader. If you want to find files which are probably own work but not labelled as such, then maybe it's better to search for files which transclude free licence tags like {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}, {{GFDL-with-disclaimers}} and such things without transcluding {{self}}, {{own}} or other 'own work' tags? --Stefan2 (talk) 11:59, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
I've certainly found several that ARE own work in a tweak to your query, I've marked them as {{Media by uploader}} and put {{subst:uw-imgclaim1}} on the relevant uploaders talk page, so that they are moved somewhere more appropriate File:Savage110fp.jpg being a recent example.
Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:42, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
My query is meant to find files which are not own work by the uploader, although a number of files are own work by the uploader but mistagged. If you want to focus on the mistagged own work files, then consider including only one category (Category:Copyright holder released public domain files) as more or less all of the mistagged own work files I've come across seem to be in that category. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:53, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip, BTW There's nothing to stop you FFD'ing Media by uploader files if they fail to meet other criteria or are out of scope. I was merely being pragmatic :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:07, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Right I've done a batch, and would appreciate someone more experienced such as yourself reviewing the wording/logic of the template {{Media by uploader}}, the two categories it populates (felt it reasonable that the tagging should be tracked somehow), and the wording of {{uw-fileclaim}} that gets put on User pages. I'm sorry this like I'm forcing an issue, but referring more obvious "self" but not marked as such to FFD was a waste of FFD's time.

Sfan00 IMG (talk) 20:46, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Destroying articlesEdit

Instead just removing pictures, you could use your energy as fixing them and finding alternatives, you do more harm than good in wikipedia, every time you "edit" something someone has to fix that article -->Typ932 T·C 08:04, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Would you care to explain how to fix the problem, then? You seem to be complaining about this edit. The file was removed from the article since there was no valid fair use rationale for that article. Since the file violates WP:NFC#UUI §17 on that page, there is no way to write a valid fair use rationale for that article, so the only remaining option is to remove the file from the page. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:25, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
You could fix the problem eg by adding other image, you could do that by using same energy as you do those deletetings. Every time you delete something someone else has to fix it because you are too lazy to edit articles properly. -->Typ932 T·C 19:40, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean. The file violated WP:NFCC#10c and WP:NFC#UUI §17 on that page, so it was necessary to remove it from there, which I did. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:56, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Not sure what I mean lol? so everytime you edit something you destroy one article, you are like some bot only removing something, instead you could do articles better and if you find error replace images with valid ones, I dont know what are you even doing here in Wikipedia, just destroying others work-->Typ932 T·C 11:24, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I'm not aware of any article which I have 'destroyed', so it's not possible to tell what you are talking about. The edit mentioned above did not 'destroy' an article. It is not clear what other image you think that I should have replaced that image with. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:46, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I dont speak any specific article, but all of your edits, you dont really edit anything here, you just remove,delete and nominate pictures here like some wikipedia bot, INSTEAD that you could start do something more usefull here, like editing articles for example if you find unsuitable picture go and find proper alternative. It takes only some more time if you start editing instead acting like some bot. -->Typ932 T·C 11:49, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Stefan and I have had some disagreements over the years but I never witnessed him destroying anything. The task that he has taken on, and pursues with vigor, is an essential and thankless one. And in a discussion such as this there is no not speaking of "any specific article." Everything on wikipedia is specific articles. Carptrash (talk) 17:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Thankless indeed and righteous. I'm not sure how essential it is but he certainly won't get any thanks from me regarding how he goes about his "vigorous task".-Sticks66 10:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Image patrolEdit

Special:Diff/723745588 is something I left on User talk:Kelly explaining some of the new templates that were recently created. Apologies if seemingly pinging every single image uploader about 10 year old images is seeming like overkill, but the issues concerned where going to force themselves eventually. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 23:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Commented out: File:CKY vol. 1.jpgEdit

I noticed your edit and like to ask, why? Don't get me wrong, I'm not angry, but would like to know what the exact problem is. It's a picture from a Wikipedia page that stayed in Wikipedia, so... I'm limited by a white-list that also blocks Wikimedia-pictures and this is the only way for me to make them visible. OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 15:46, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

The file is non-free, which means that its use on Wikipedia is restricted, see WP:NFCC. In particular, WP:NFCC#9 says that the file only can be used in articles. A user sandbox is not an article, so the file was removed from your sandbox. You can also read about this at WP:UP#Non-free images. --Stefan2 (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Got the message, thanx! OXYGENE 7-13 (TALKPAGE) 17:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Orphaned XfDEdit

Hi, there's a number of files in this list you added {{Ffd}} to, but didn't create a nomination for.  Perhaps you might want to create a nomination, or remove the Ffd tags? Regards, FASTILY 03:13, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems that a number of the discussions exist but have been closed without removing the FFD tag... --Stefan2 (talk) 11:19, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Tags in messagesEdit

Not sure how you posted here but including the speedy delete template effectively tagged the talk page for speedy deletion. --NeilN talk to me 17:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


Hello Stefan2: I have responded to your comment regarding the logo of the Pratt School of Engineering at Files for Upload talk. I believe my answer is responsive to your excellent question. Thank you for replacing the image on Pratt School of Engineering with the preferred version of the logo. -- Meschreiner (talk) 19:31, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Overwritten FFDEdit

Thanks for reopening the discussion for deletion of File:Newyork albumcover.jpg. You mentioned in the FFD of how it vanished with this edit. I don't know how that happened. Anything I should do to prevent this from happening in future? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

You listed File:Newyork albumcover.jpg for deletion (edit 1), and three seconds later, you listed File:Dil-bole-hadippa-new-poster-fly-or-flop-14074194404a79f31608cdc1.88565044.jpg for deletion (edit 2). If "edit 2" is too soon after "edit 1" and both edits were made by the same user, then Twinkle accidentally reverts "edit 1" when making "edit 2". You can avoid this by waiting a little bit between each nomination. If I nominate multiple files for discussion at the same time, I try to wait until Twinkle has completed the first nomination before submitting the next nomination, and this seems to solve the problem. --Stefan2 (talk) 09:10, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks for the help. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:01, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Bot notificationsEdit

Why do you notify bots about XfDs? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:09, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

If I try to make selective choices for when I notify a user, there's a risk that I forget to notify a user when it's appropriate to notify a user. It's safer to always send a notification, no matter who the user is. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:46, 16 June 2016 (UTC)


Request to cease vandalism of User:Rctfan1999 —Preceding undated comment added 18:45, 16 June 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rctfan1999 (talkcontribs)

Impossible. It's only possible for a user to cease vandalising a page if the user previously has started vandalising the page. I haven't started vandalising the mentioned page, so it is not possible for me to cease vandalising it. However, I see that you have vandalised the page several times by repeatedly violating WP:NFCC#9 on the page. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:51, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:En-Satoru Iwata-article.oggEdit

I'm having a hard time finding the speedy deletion nomination. Does that mean it finished? Everything appears to be working properly. Was a better redirect put in its place? McKay (talk) 20:33, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

There are redirects on both Commons and Wikipedia. In this situation, the software does a couple of strange things, so it's difficult to find the local redirect, and this also makes things confusing. Both redirects are still there. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Redirect deletion notices on User talk:AnomieBOTEdit

Please stop notifying the bot about proposed deletion of cross-namespace redirects, neither I nor the bot care. Only post there if you think there's something that I would need to update the bot for. Thanks. Anomie 22:57, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

See #Bot notifications above. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:03, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
That's not sufficient reason to spam the bot's talk page with useless notices. Please stop. Anomie 23:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
It sounds like bad practice for users who nominate stuff for deletion to maintain lists of users who are not to be notified when something is tagged for deletion as that would be a source for errors where notifications are not given although they should be, so maintaining the simple rule that everyone always is notified, no matter who the user is, does seem to be sufficient reason to put notices on bot talk pages. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:31, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
this is just disruptive. It's pretty simple: if the user is a bot, don't notify unless the deletion is because the bot screwed up somehow. This seems to be common practice among everyone else who nominates things for deletion. If you can't handle it yourself, convince the Twinkle developers to have their gadget avoid auto-notifying bots or honor some other opt-out mechanism. Anomie 13:25, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
See WT:TW#Notifying bots. In the mean time, just uncheck "Notify page creator if possible" in the XfD dialog. (talk) 02:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)

Mass RfD nominationsEdit

Next time you mass nominate redirects, please try to group those for which you're just going to copy-paste the same deletion reason (e.g. unexpected typo in redirect from mainspace, foreign-language redirect, etc.) into one nomination section. Doing so makes RfD easier to close. Thanks, ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)


I got your boilerplate about this, and have tried to comply, though it is very difficult to do so, given the opaque and technical instructions in the boilerplate. IMHO it's a bit much to ask me for a copy of an email that is ten years old. Your patrolling of images, while understandable at some level, is a great reason behind the abandonment of Wikipedia by existing editors. It's not enough to drive me away just yet, but it's another straw on the camel's back. I'm wasting tens of minutes of my precious life, trying to correct something that was done in good faith and was probably legitimate/compliant with procedures ten years ago when it was first uploaded. Lou Sander (talk) 13:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

You were required to contact OTRS back in 2006 when you uploaded the file. It's unfortunate that mistakes sometimes aren't discovered after a decade, but some files are missed for a long time.
If your all evidence of the permission has been lost, then the file effectively is unlicensed unless new evidence can be created (for example if the copyright holder confesses that permission has been granted) as you can't win against the copyright holder if he decides to pretend that no permission was granted. Normally, you can't delete a permission statement until ten years have passed since the file was taken down, or something like that. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
More reasons to abandon editing. Too bad. If you are not an attorney, you might want to stop giving legal advice (I'm just trying to help). See HERE Lou Sander (talk) 22:37, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

File:Clint Mansell Lux Aeterna.oggEdit

Can you fix this as you are better at this sort of thing than me? I've removed the audio clip from three pages and the usage is not now excessive. It could be trimmed back to one appearance if necessary.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

  • This seems to have been deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Album coverEdit

The uploader of this album cover claims to have made this in Photoshop CC, but I suspect it is non-free despite the claim, and should be tagged with {{Non-free reduce}} and given a fair-use rationale. The user also uploaded a different image, which I suspect is non-free as well. Feel free to keep me in the loop. — Andy W. (talk ·ctb) 19:36, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

  • User:Andy M. Wang, I retagged the first one as fair use and nominated the second one for deletion per WP:F9 as I was able to find both images elsewhere on the Internet. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:30, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


I've made a little proposal at Template talk:RMpmc#Appearance, and since all this is still so new, I'd like your input.  What's in your palette? Paine  17:08, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Non-free use of File:Hockey Canada.svgEdit

Hi Stefan2. Since you were the editor who originally nominated File:Hockey Canada.svg for discussion at WP:NFCR (for reference, it was moved to Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2015 November 30#File:Hockey Canada.svg by Steel1943 as part of the post NFCR/FFD merge clean up), perhaps you can comment on or further clarify your reason(s) for doing so at User talk:Djsasso/Archive 10#File:Hockey Canada.svg. A year has passed since you nominated the file was first nominated, so it's possible the circumstances related to its non-free use have changed. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:04, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


I'll say delete the article since it's a redirect and the actually a template of Template:Jets2015DraftPicks is here. Pmaster12 (talk) 22:04, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Non-free use of File:FC Masr Logo 2016.pngEdit

Hi Stefan2. I've noticed that you removed FC Masr's logo from my userbox due to violating WP:NFCC#9. Could you please tell me what i'm supposed to do to to put the logo in my userbox again? Thanks in advance. Ben5218 (talk) 11:33, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Ben5218: You can't. WP:NFCC#9 is clear: "Non-free content is allowed ... only in article namespace". User pages are not in article namespace, they are in user namespace. More at WP:UP#Non-free images. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi, I want to move a false category. Please guide me.--SaməkTalk 07:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

What is a "false category"? If you tell me which category you are talking about, I might be able to help. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:29, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
The name of this football club is Gostaresh Foulad F.C. but his category called Category:Gostaresh Foolad F.C. players. false in category, Foolad → Foulad.--SaməkTalk 22:08, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Samak: See WP:CFDS, and when you add your request, I suggest using criterion C2A or C2D - perhaps both. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:20, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Redrose64 & Samak: I listed this at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 July 9#Category:Gostaresh Foolad F.C. players as it seems that the article has been moved at least twice. Note that there is also a comment about the article title on the article talk page. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:26, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
@Redrose64:, @Stefan2: Thanks for solving problem.--SaməkTalk 09:14, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Sandbox editEdit

Why did you removed seven of the free images along with the non-free images in my sandbox ?.--Charles Turing (talk) 13:19, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

It seemed to me that this was the easiest way to fix the WP:NFCC#9 violation. Also, it may be confusing for readers if a table column mostly is empty, and it can give a non-neutral impression if a small number of list elements get an image while other list elements do not by making it look as if the writer thinks that the illustrated list entries are more important than the other ones. I guess that some of the arguments might not hold outside mainspace, though. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:34, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
No problem. I just asked over curiosity. Declined from that rehashing anyway. The previous one is the best without prose inside the table. --Charles Turing (talk) 07:49, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Hidden revsion on a page.Edit

On the Consolidated Communications page one my edit didn't meet the criteria of revision hiding. It was just to fix what a blocked user did inserting false info, and I put the true info back in there but my revision was hidden for no reason, all of my edits helps Wikipedia, not harms it. Thanks and please unhide the revision or ask a B-crat to unhide it. DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 01:11, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Diannaa removed some text from the page and hid a few revisions of the page. According to the edit summaries, the text was removed because it violated copyright. Since the revisions have been hidden, I can't tell what they contained or when the copyright violations were added, but I'd assume that the copyright violations were added to the earliest revision which was hidden and that the copyright violations still were present on the page when you edited the page. In such situations, the standard thing is to delete all revisions which contain the violating content. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
When a user adds a copyright violation and we have to do a revision deletion, all edits from the point where the copyright material was added to the point where it was removed have to be revision deleted in order to properly hide the violation. Unfortunately this sometimes means that harmless edits by other people have to be revision deleted as well. Sorry about that. — Diannaa (talk) 22:04, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @DatNuttyWikipedian: Your edit was to alter one infobox parameter, from |num_employees=1,900 to |num_employees=2,000 - and if you look at the page as it stands now, it still shows 2,000. So your edit, although hidden, was not actually undone. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:25, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Cycling jerseysEdit

You do this every time I update new cycling jerseys. I'm fully aware of every of everything, so don't need link thanks. I really can't be arsed to go over it any more... You better deleted all jerseys Category:Cycling jerseys. BaldBoris 18:00, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I do this every time you update new cycling jerseys since you make the same error every time you update new cycling jerseys. It's not my fault that you keep uploading pictures of cycling jerseys which fail WP:FREER. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:02, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
I just told you I'm fully aware of all image copyright right policies and don't need links, yet what do you do. This has been discussed and a consensus was reach that it's acceptable. I can't find it right now, so give up. P.S. don't give me more links and make sure you delete them all Category:Cycling jerseys. BaldBoris 18:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

File:Clara Ikemba.jpgEdit


You recently tagged File:Clara Ikemba.jpg for deletion, I want to notify you that I fixed the broken link. I was also wondering if you could kindly add a verification tag to the page, just incase of broken links in the future, or even deletion of the image or page from facebook. The same applies to the following files: File:Mildred Okwo and others on set of The Meeting.jpg, File:The Meeting Cast and Crew.jpg, File:Linda Ejiofor.jpg. Thanks.--Jamie Tubers (talk) 23:57, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

False positives on orphaned files?Edit

Hi Stefan2, do you have any idea what might be going on with Quarry returning so many false positives for orphaned files lately? It seems like the list has just been constantly growing. Previously, once I purged something properly and had it update the links, it dropped off the list, but nothing has dropped off the list in a long time now. Any ideas? Is there a new way I should be purging? You can see User:B-bot/Event log for how the list of things that are not orphaned just keeps growing. --B (talk) 17:25, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

My guess would be an issue with Labs' DB cluster, see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Edit count reduced. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:08, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
B & Redrose64: My bot has reported a few strange messages too. For example, my database query tells that File:Yesterday's Gone - Chad & Jeremy.jpg has old revision(s), but my bot discovers that the old revision has been deleted. Another file with the same problem is File:Coldplay, Up&Up, Artwork.jpg.
Another oddity: I renamed File:Stream unconference logo.jpg in April. However, the Labs database still thinks that the file is under the old name in both the image table and the page table, see quarry:query/11153. My guess is that some changes weren't replicated in the Labs database for some reason. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Twinkle adding "Orphaned non-free revisions" twice. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Redirects for discussion - thanksEdit

Thanks for proposing some of my forgotten redirects (Anatomical terminology series and WPANATOMY-barnstar) for deletion. I've forgotten that I've even created them (accidentally I'm sure) and hate to leave clutter around the place. So thanks for clearing these up and I'm sure your other RfD work :) --Tom (LT) (talk) 20:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

PD template for Leslie Jones at Wikimedia CommonsEdit

Do you have experience editing a license template? See commons:Template:PD-Leslie Jones. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Bot questionEdit

Stefan, does this really make sense when {{Non-free reduce}} was already added to the page? Once it gets reduced, it will be changed to {{Orphaned non-free revisions}}... I've noticed this for awhile now and have been meaning to comment here, but I kept getting sidetracked and forgot about it. Is this something that can be fixed? Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 22:55, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!Edit

  Hope all is well. I noticed that you haven't edited in over 2 months, which in my experiences, is an anomaly for you. Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Merry, merry!Edit

From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:00, 26 December 2016 (UTC)  

File:Mehran.jpg listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect File:Mehran.jpg. Since you had some involvement with the File:Mehran.jpg redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 14:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)

Request for Comments on use of certain files not copyrighted in the USEdit


There is an ongoing discussion about the use of files on Wikipedia that are not protected by copyright in the US because there is no copyright relations between the US and the country of publication. You commented in a 2012 discussion on the same topic that resulted in no consensus. You are invited to share your views in the ongoing discussion. AHeneen (talk) 21:12, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

US-PD works in UKEdit

Based on this blog post:

I've updated {{PD-US-not renewed}}, accordingly. It would be much appreciated if you would consider reviewing other templates that might be affected. ( Such as PD-US-no notice for example. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 04:12, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Hm, interesting, so if the blog post is correct, then the UK didn't follow the rule of the shorter term for a period of 40 years, and because of a wording in the Copyright Duration Directive, this means that the rule of the shorter term isn't followed in a lot of situations.
Also note that the rule of the shorter term isn't used for works by British citizens living abroad. For example, was Charlie Chaplin a British citizen when he created films in the United States? The rule of the shorter term probably isn't used if the work was published in the UK within 30 days after publication in the country of origin. For example, famous press photos may have been published in multiple countries shortly after they were taken.
There are probably lots of additional countries which could be added to the disclaimer in {{PD-US-not renewed}} if more research is done. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
I've said previously if Commons just said 100 pma, or explicit free license it would be simpler, but a group of US based users on commons didn't seem to agree.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:32, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


Wrote this to accomodate some concerns about works that hadn't epxired outside the US.

However it's not yet fully complete because it uses author death year, and doesn't take into account rules for (coporate works) 95 from publication (or 120 from creation).

Could you amend it accordingly? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Sfan00 IMG, the template seems to be complex, and it's not fully correct. For example, {{ady100|created=1800}} produces code which says that the file can be copied to Commons. However, if the work was first published in 1977 (unlikely but still possible), then the United States copyright expires 95 years after publication if the work was published with a valid copyright notice. The 120-year rule can only be used if the first publication was in 2003 or later, or if it is still unpublished. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:05, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. It seems the logic will need to be more complex then.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:32, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Can you amend the logic accordingly? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:14, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Alternativly can you write a series of decision questions so that the IF statements can be coded accordingly? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
Looking at the template anyway it needs to be rebuilt anyway, it's currently at TfD because some concerns were expressed that it was made without consultation.

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 22:33, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

File:Baku012.jpg - deletingEdit

"A tag has been placed on File:Baku012.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section F2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an image page for a missing or corrupt image or an empty image description page for a Commons-hosted image." Təəssüf ki, bu şəkli poza bilmərəm, çünki şəklin müəllifi deyiləm və o şəkli mən əlavə etməmişəm. Səhv etdiyinizi qəbul edirəm. Hər kəsin səhv etməsi mümkündür. Yəqin ki, belə hal təkrarlanmaz. Sünbül (talk) 12:01, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

User:Sünbül, since you were the one who was notified, the local file information page was presumably created by you. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Dead TemplateEdit

Template:Orphaned non-free revisions - either your edit or User:DatGuy has killed it. Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old shows no files. This one File:Unicorn Black logo.png shows the cat as hidden and it should be in the list. Ronhjones  (Talk) 02:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

User:Ronhjones, Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions more than 7 days old currently contains 440 files, and there doesn't seem to be an error with the template.
Category membership is cached. MediaWiki doesn't automatically update its cache when a template suddenly moves a file from one category to another category, so you need to make a null edit or purge with the forcelinkupdate parameter if you want the file to appear on the new category page. I think that there is a bot which purges all files each day. If you need files purged earlier, try posting action=purge&format=xml&forcelinkupdate=1&generator=categorymembers&gcmtitle=Category%3ANon-free+files+with+orphaned+versions&gcmsort=timestamp&gcmdir=asc to which should purge 10 files at a time. I tried it a few times, and each time, a few more files were added to the category. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Weird that many of the files I checked were 8-9 days old and should have been added 2 days earlier. I did try the null edit - it made no difference. C'ést la vie... Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:03, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
I just tried curl -d 'action=purge&forcelinkupdate=1&titles=File:Unicorn Black logo.png&format=xml', and that made File:Unicorn Black logo.png show up on the category page. There are now 727 files in the category. Not sure how many we are missing, but the rest will probably show up at some later point. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Discussion at File talk:PDO-Logo.svg#Previously Deleted FileEdit

 You are invited to join the discussion at File talk:PDO-Logo.svg#Previously Deleted File. Marchjuly (talk) 09:24, 8 July 2017 (UTC) -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:24, 8 July 2017 (UTC)


Hello, and thanks for alerting me to there being an issue with File:Broken Picture Telephone logo.jpg earlier this year. Unfortunately I was on a wikibreak and only just now discovered your comments on my talk page. The image has since been deleted. I'm confused about what issue there was with the image, however; it's a company logo, which are allowed on Wikipedia under fair use so long as they are only used on the article about that company... or at least that was my understanding. I thought it best to talk to you before requesting undeletion of the image so that whatever missing information is needed can be added to the image description page right away this time around. Thanks in advance for helping me out with reinstating this file. —GrammarFascist contribstalk 02:00, 3 August 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Etheria GMA 7.jpgEdit


Thanks for uploading File:Etheria GMA 7.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 17:36, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Closure tagsEdit

Just an FYI, but I sometimes leave those open at FFU if there is a substantive comment and I want to give the person time to see it. I'm a technology idiot, but at least that bit was on purpose. I usually come back and clean up after a little while. TJWtalk 22:51, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

I see. I think that most of them had been there for a while, so there's probably no problem with archiving the discussions now. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
I... kindof figured the bot would catch up. I don't mess with archive bots. Never in the past has that not resulted in ashes and suffering. TJWtalk 21:56, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
If you don't add the correct closure tags and delete the "do not archive until" tags, then I think the bot is instructed to postpone archival until at least 10 years have passed since the request was originally posted on that page. In other words, it's necessary to do something since we don't want old requests to fill up the page forever. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:36, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh, so it's based on when the tag was removed? Will manually archiving not screw up the bot? TJWtalk 23:30, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
The bot is instructed to archive the section 24 hours after the most recent timestamp in the section. When a request is made, a timestamp like [[User:DoNotArchiveUntil]] 09:48, 14 August 2027 (UTC) is inserted in a hidden comment. Therefore, the bot won't archive the section until 24 hours after 14 August 2027. Since we don't want to wait for ten years before archiving, the tag needs to be removed at some point.
In the past, the archival worked differently: the bot would archive the discussions as soon as they had been closed, but they were sorted into the archive for whichever month it happened to be 4800 hours ago. Neither system is perfect, but the current system seems better than the former system. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:09, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Files_for_upload#Matterfall and Wikipedia:Files_for_upload#Get_Even_.28video_game.29Edit

I commented on your comment on Wikipedia:Files_for_upload#Matterfall and Wikipedia:Files_for_upload#Get_Even_.28video_game.29. -- (talk) 06:41, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Bot missed file?Edit

Hi, I noticed a non-free image with and old orphaned version - not sure why it got missed, or had the bot not got round to it yet? - see File:5USA logo.svg. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:16, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

The file has been tagged with {{NFUR not needed}}, so my bot assumes that the file's non-free status is disputed and therefore writes a warning to the standard output instead of tagging the file. I try to check those warnings once in a while.
I think that the file is a {{PD-textlogo}} and that it shouldn't be tagged as non-free at all. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:00, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Agreed - it's just shapes, I'll fix. Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Imaage cleanup..Edit

You might find this useful,

With it I found a few images with potential concerns that had gone un-noticed in over 10 years :(

Any help you can render in appropriately reducing the backlog would be appreaciated. (And I'd strongly suggest forking the query to tweak it.). ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:30, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Image patrolEdit

I've been trying to add information to some of the images in this query.

It would be nice to reduce the backlog to a manageable level, and you seem to have experience in this area.

The query will be updated periodically to focus on specific groups of images, any thoughts on what might need to be focused on?

ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 21:14, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

The query has typos:
  1. Three templates ({{hidden-delete-reason}}, {{picture_of_the_day}} and {{cc-by-sa-2.0}}) begin with a lowercase letter in your query, but they begin with an uppercase letter in the database, so you're getting unexpected output from the query. Some templates, for example {{badimage}}, exist in the query in both uppercase and lowercase form – it should be safe to delete the lowercase form.
  2. You're searching for Template:Portal:Star/Selected_picture/template instead of Portal:Star/Selected_picture/template.
Also, I think that you can skip searching for FUR templates since you're searching for {{non-free media}}: all FUR templates are supposed to transclude that template. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:56, 25 September 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:RexxSEdit

  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. -FASTILY 05:04, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Odd Bot actionEdit

Hi Stefan2 - please see, added the "orfurrev" template a day after I added one, and of course that make RonBot go for manual review. Ronhjones  (Talk) 19:41, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Weird. There are supposed to be two checks:
  1. A database query (quarry:query/1226) produces a list of files to tag. Because of wikitech:Help:Toolforge/Database/Replica drift / phabricator:T138967, there's a possibility that the database report has a few extra files and lacks a few files. If the database report lacks some files: too bad, the files won't be tagged until/unless the replica drift is fixed.
  2. The bot queries the API to confirm that the file really is unfree (appears in Category:All non-free media) and that it doesn't appear in a couple of categories such as Category:Non-free files with orphaned versions (meaning that the file already has been tagged).
Even if the first check went wrong because of a replica drift, the second check should catch those files. The only answer I can think of is that there might be an error in the production database too – in that case, the API query probably returns wrong data. I suppose I could make a null edit before scanning for categories, but I don't know if that would fix the problem. On the other hand, if it only happens once in a thousand files, then it maybe doesn't need to be fixed. It's not really a big issue if a file has two "orfurrev" templates instead of one. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:31, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
That's OK, I was just curious Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

File:Diagram of selected relationships in Doctor Zhivago (novel).svgEdit

Hi. I received a message from you that my fair use rationale was being challenged. The message said "non-free media which could be replaced by freely licensed alternatives will be deleted 2 days after this notification" but did not explain who it is that makes the determination of whether the media could be replaced by a freely licensed alternative. I have just concluded a discussion with an administrator @Ronhjones: regarding this image: you can read that discussion here: I have added the following explanation to the image page: "The reason this diagram is not replaceable by a free image is that any image that showed the main characters' names and most of the relationships among them would take some of Pasternak's creative expression. Therefore, no free image is possible. Any image OR LIST of names and relationships will be a derivative work of the novel. Also: if text is used instead of an image (for example a list of names and relationships), that will not reduce the amount of Pasternak's original taken, and fair use will still be required. A textual list would also be somewhat less useful as a reference tool because it would present the information in a less efficient manner. Since the fact that it is a reference tool is the fair use rationale, a list would therefore have a slightly weaker fair use rationale than the diagram." Presenting the information in textual form will be worse as a matter of copyright law and worse for Wikipedia users. Can you please not delete the image? Thanks.Drochtegang (talk) 19:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

See File talk:Diagram of selected relationships in Doctor Zhivago (novel).svg. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:51, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Deleting my sandbox draftEdit


Hello. On September 19 you deleted my sandbox page because you said I had not edited it in 6 months. I did not need the draft for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy page but I did add another draft (this one on Bob Dixon) that I also submitted through the Articles of Creation and am waiting to hear back on that one. Can this sandbox page be restored for that draft?

Also, another user commented that I needed to update the FY 2017 budget information on the EERE page but there is nothing yet to update since we are awaiting Congress' decisions on FY 2017/2018 funding. Whom do I need to tell that to?

Thank you for your help. I am very new to this process and appreciate the help. Ch2017 (talk) 21:03, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

There seem to have been two drafts under the title User:Ch2017/sandbox. The first one was deleted as a copyright violation by User:Primefac and is unlikely to be undeleted. The second one was deleted by User:Sphilbrick as an Articles for Creation submission which wasn't edited for six month, and you should be able to get that one undeleted if you want to.
There also seems to be a draft at User talk:Ch2017/sandbox about Robert K. Dixon – is this the one you are talking about? At the top of the page, it says I would like an administrator to review and post the following article. If you want to have the page reviewed, then please add {{subst:submit}} anywhere on the page. Someone should then find it eventually. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:14, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
@Ch2017: I am happy to restore any page (with certain exceptions such as copyright violations). I'm not totally clear on which page you wish restored. Can you clarify? If you drop a note on my talk page will automatically get a notification. If you respond here you'll have to ping me so that I see the response.S Philbrick(Talk) 22:35, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing that. I didn't see it because of the collapsing template. GMGtalk 12:21, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

No problem. It was obviously just a typo which I happened to spot when looking at the differences between some revisions on that page. --Stefan2 (talk) 12:45, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

File:Australian troops return from Operation Rollingstone, Feb 1966 (AWM660151VN).jpgEdit

Weird! I was editing the 22:22, 4 October 2017‎ version - left in edit mode while I went downstairs, then finished off when I got back. System did not tell me there had been another edit in-between. Ronhjones  (Talk) 23:57, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Weird. I reverted your size reduction tag as soon as I spotted it in case the reduction bot would run soon and then finished the cleanup of the file information page six minutes later. You should at least have got a warning about an edit conflict. --Stefan2 (talk) 00:29, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

File:ThomasShippAbramSmith.jpg not mineEdit

Thanks for the heads up on File:ThomasShippAbramSmith.jpg, but that's not my upload. -- Mwanner | Talk 23:04, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

You uploaded the file in 2005. Check the revision history. The file revision history is partially hidden due to the old way of handling old revisions of non-free files, but the text page revision indicates that you were the original uploader. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:08, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Ah, yes, well... 2005... no idea where I found it. Still seems odd that I'm the OP-- I don't see it on my list of uploads. There are better versions out there, but I'm not seeing any obviously free ones. Delete away, I guess. Too bad, it's a powerful image! -- Mwanner | Talk 00:44, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, THAT revision history. Don't do this stuff much any more. Marked it PD, but without a source... NG -- Mwanner | Talk 00:47, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Help with image problemsEdit

Hello and thank you for your messages.

Alright, maybe I didn't pick the right copyright options and/or I didn't fill them in properly. Both images I took from free websites, one of which was social media and I have no idea how to fix all this. I wasn't trying to violate anything; I was only trying to add relevant information. Please help me! (DarkDancer06 (talk) 20:09, 22 October 2017 (UTC))

Images on random websites are normally copyrighted and may not be uploaded. See c:COM:NETCOPYRIGHT. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:12, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Okay, but surely it's different with social media? Unless it's a professional photographer who's uploading their work. In the case of the photo of Maria Shirinkina, this was taken by an audience member during a live performance. Let me check the other image. (DarkDancer06 (talk) 20:16, 22 October 2017 (UTC))
For images uploaded to social media, you usually need to wait until the social media photographer has died and then wait for another 70 years after that until the photo can be uploaded. For example, if a photo was uploaded to some social media website in 2015, and the photographer dies in 2040, then you need to wait until 2111 until you can upload the photo. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:21, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Oh wait, the El Escorial photo, there's another image already uploaded on Commons; I'll use that instead and I'll delete the other one. (DarkDancer06 (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2017 (UTC))
I've changed the El Escorial photo to one already uploaded, although I don't know how to delete the one I uploaded, so I'll leave with you or whoever. (DarkDancer06 (talk) 20:28, 22 October 2017 (UTC))
I assume that someone will delete the old images in a week. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:36, 22 October 2017 (UTC)
Okay so, the image I got from Instagram, what's going to happen there? (DarkDancer06 (talk) 21:39, 22 October 2017 (UTC))
Needs to be deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:48, 22 October 2017 (UTC)


Hi Stefan

Thanks for recent messages, but I don't really bother with Wikipedia anymore. Too much hassle Picknick99 (talk) 22:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Dr. Heywood Dowling ImageEdit


I've made an update to the copyright information for the image you brought to my attention (of WJCT founder Dr. Heywood Dowling). Does the new description satisfy the requirements you mentioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bstephenson (talkcontribs) 15:28, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

There's still no source. Also, the file does not satisfy WP:NFCC#8. See Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2017 October 23#File:WJCT Founder Dr. Heywood Dowling.jpg. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Michael Semanchik imageEdit

Stefan 2, in the above-mentioned article, you inserted a tag "Copyright-problem.svg" relating to an image I uploaded.

The text for this tag says that "This image is a derivative work, containing an "image within an image". Examples of such images would include a photograph of a sculpture, a scan of a magazine cover, or a screenshot of a computer game or movie." After looking at the image, I assume that the problem was the poster containing a photograph that the subjects are holding. Therefore, I have replaced that image with another image that does not have any such poster, and thus would not have the copyright problem. Dylanexpert (talk) 22:15, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

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And yet again, for the third time. Seriously, mate, this vendetta or whatever that you have has got to stop. Just send me a normal message and we can chat or whatever. I'll be looking for a response on my page -- if you respond here, please drop me a talkback notice so I get an email because I'm mostly absent from Wikipedia these days. Banaticus (talk) 22:20, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
The tag was added because there's no valid FUR. You have written a FUR for a logo or something, but this is obviously not a logo. The FUR assumes that the article is about a company or something, but the article is about a film. See WP:FUR: a FUR should have some kind of connection to the use of the image and not just be randomly picked sentences. --Stefan2 (talk) 22:30, 11 April 2018 (UTC)



It has come to my attention that you have identified my earned Naval JROTC medals uploaded on my profile's awards section. It has been listed as a medal of the "government of an unidentified country". This is incorrect, as they are achievement medals of the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps (JROTC), available for purchase online, at sites such as,, and others. Also, they cannot be unidentified, if the titles are engraved into them in the picture. I just wanted to clear this up and clarify. For example: the Summer Camp Participation Award, is an N-Series Achievement Medal, listed as Stock Keeping Unit (SKU) N0311. The Community Service Medal, is listed with FEDMALL Registry Number MS68089, and Universal Product Code 720345692769. FedMall is an e-commerce ordering system for U.S. Department of Defense, Federal, State, and authorized local Agencies to search for and acquire products from government reserves and commercial sources.

These are not decorations of the United States Government. They are not decorations of the United States Armed Forces. They are achievement medals for the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps. They are interchangeable with the Army, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Navy branches of the JROTC and are usually awarded by the Instructors' discretion. Due to the little information on this, and the medals lacking a permanent status with either branch, i can easily see how it could be misunderstood. Thank you for your time. :)

Best of regards my friend,

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Improper image licencingEdit

Hi Stefan. Can you take a look at these two images: File:Alliance for the Albanians.jpg and File:Democratic Party of Turks in Macedonia.png. They appear to be logos of political parties, but they are presented as "Own work" of the user who uploaded them, which I seriously doubt. Appreciate your time.--Retrohead (talk) 23:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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Israeli Wrestling LeagueEdit

Hi Stefan2. What do you think about the subject article - 20 non-free images in one article seems a little high to me, a second opinion would be useful. Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

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Possibly unfree File:Doc Farber.jpgEdit

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I took that photo with my iphone mate Koncurrentkat (talk)Koncurrentkat — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Non-free use of File:Vodafone logo 2017.pngEdit

Hi Stefan. Since you once raised concerns about the non-free use of a different version of what is basically the same Vodafone logo at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 January 13#File:Vodafone logo.png, maybe you can clarify as to whether this latest version of the logo address those concerns. See User talk:RA0808#Non-free use of File:Vodafone logo 2017.png for more details. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:25, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

File:USA hockey logo.gifEdit

Hi Stefan2. A few years back, you started a discussion about the non-free use of File:USA Hockey.svg at Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 67#File:USA Hockey.svg, and the result was to remove the file from the individual team articles. I'm wondering if, per User talk:Explicit#File:USA Hockey.svg, whether you have any opinion on whether this is too complex for {{PD-logo}}. The reason I'm asking is because the file has been added on and off to US Hockey national teams articles since the NFCR was closed by IPs and other editors; it's been removed each time, but now someone has gone an uploaded File:USA hockey logo.gif and added it to the team articles instead. So, if the previous file is PD, then the new file is most likely PD as well; if not, then the new file might have the same non-free concerns. Since @Masem: participated in the NFCR discussion and it was closed by @GermanJoe:, I am pinging them as well for feedback. Also, pinging @Explicit: since he suggested further discussion about both files at FFD might be a good idea. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Hm. Tricky question. I suggest that you take a look at this PDF. The first page has two logos. The logo denoted "CCC logo" was deemed too simple, while the logo denoted "Car Credit City logo" was above the threshold of originality. The only difference is that the slightly more complex logo has an extra border. Both logos are listed as examples under c:COM:TOO#United States. It seems that the Copyright Office pays great attention to whether something is text or not and that something which isn't just text is a lot more likely to be copyrighted, so it's possible that the SVG is copyrightable while the GIF isn't. --Stefan2 (talk) 11:43, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

FFU tagsEdit

Just FYI, but sometimes I will intentionally set a thread to archive but not collapse it, in case the requesting editor wants to follow up with information that resolves the issues identified. GMGtalk 14:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Hm. If you set a thread to archive, then it's archived very quickly so there's not a lot of time to write a reply, and we don't want users to reply in the archive as no one will see the reply. If you want to let editors to reply, then it's better if you don't mark it for archival. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:06, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Oh. Hm. I guess it is set for 24 hours. I was thinking for some reason it was more like 72. GMGtalk 21:09, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

File:TV5 (ABC5) Logo.pngEdit

Hi Stefan2. I saw your post at c:COM:VP/C#TOO for the Philippines. Do you think this file is OK to convert to {{PD-ineligible-USonly}}? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

The logo is presumably in the public domain in most countries. Since we don't know anything about the TOO in the Philippines, it may be safer to go with {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} instead of the normal tag {{PD-textlogo}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:28, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying. I'm also wondering if you have any opinion on #File:USA hockey logo.gif. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:12, 12 March 2018 (UTC)


Hi Stefan2. Is possible that you can edit and submission to article for creation for wikipedia: Alejandro Correa Rueda, I need your help. Thank you. User:Old Wise/Alejandro Correa Rueda — Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Wise (talkcontribs) 22:20, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

URAA and a thank youEdit

Thanks for reviewing, and detagging where appropriate. ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Maybe you'd like to cast your eye over: Category:Images_with_an_unknown_US_copyright_status Sometime?

I'd been planning to convert many of them over to 'Non-free' on the basis of {{Not-PD-US-URAA-unsure ‎ }} and {{subst:un-USstatustimeout1}} which were newly created. 23:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Also - Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Undated_and_images_needing_a_US/URAA_status_confirmation. , Given that you reviewed maybe it's time to have the longer disscussion? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 23:06, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
  • United States copyright status assessment is complex and depends on a number of things such as publication data which is often unavailable. You might find some inspiration from a 2015 discussion on Commons, c:Commons:Village pump/Archive/2015/10#Template:PD-old-100 and US copyrights. Everyone assumed that Mona Lisa by Leonardo da Vinci is in the public domain in the United States, but no one could prove it. I think that we have to live with the fact that we can't determine the United States copyright status for a lot of works. --Stefan2 (talk) 13:13, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

AWM / URAA problemEdit

Regarding File:3RAR-1950-P01813.jpg, I found the new location of the URL. (
What do I need to do to fix the problem? Thanks in advance, Pdfpdf (talk) 05:06, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Problem fixed. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:54, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

Yooka Laylee imageEdit

Regarding the Yooka Laylee image you marked for deletion, is the current explanation for the image not enough? I provided one last year and experienced no issues with it until now. Please respond soon. Phin68 talk to Phin68 18:27, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

There is no fair use rationale. See WP:FUR and WP:NFCC#10c. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Okay. I'll look into what I can change about it. Phin68 talk to Phin68 02:30, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I've made a revision. Is this any better? Phin68 talk to Phin68 02:49, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
I believe I have provided enough fair use rationale for the image, so I will be removing the tag. Phin68 talk to Phin68 16:23, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
(talk page watcher)@Phin68: Maybe you should use {{Non-free use rationale video game screenshot}} as recommended by the copyright license. You're not required to use a template, but they reason they are recommended is because they help keep things standardized and they usually specify exactly what information is needed. Just providing a rationale in an of itself doesn't make non-free use acceptable as explained in WP:JUSTONE; so, it's better to be as specific as possible and provide as much information as possible. If you don't want to use the template, you should at least try to include the information required by it. I believe Masem has quite a bit of experience with non-free video game screenshots, so perhaps he can help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:28, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

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As soon as an admin moves the article in which it is used from my sandbox to the Article space, the concerns will be addressed. StrikerforceTalk 19:57, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I have a requested move submitted. Cape Catfish is currently a redirect to Prospect League. StrikerforceTalk 19:59, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Non-free rationales -..Edit

IS this query useful: ?

I've been using it find images without them, skipping over some edge cases that need more careful review.ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 19:24, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

File:The Dumping Ground Title Card.jpgEdit

Since you added the rationale for The Dumping Ground (series 6), I'd figured I'd ask you for clarification. Is this screenshot for really series 6 specific per WP:NFC#UUI17 or is it being used just because this is the most recent season of the series. I can't see any real difference between this screenshot and File:The Dumping Ground Series 5 Title Card.jpg, File:The Dumping Ground Series 4 Title Card.jpg, File:The Dumping Ground Series 3 Title Card.jpg, File:The Dumping Ground Series 2 Title Card.jpg, File:The Dumping Ground Series 1 Title Card.jpg, at least not any difference enough for WP:NFCC#3a, UUI#17 and MOS:TVIMAGE. I think individual TV season/series articles need to be season-specific enough to justify non-free use and not basically be the same logo as the main article logo, at least that's what the current consensus seems to be. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:47, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

  • There was a second copy of the same image, File:The Dumping Ground Series 6 Title Card.jpg, which was used in The Dumping Ground (series 6). I copied the FUR from the other copy to this one so that I could nominate the dupe for deletion per WP:CSD#F1, but I'm not sure if we need title cards in the individual season articles in the first place. It looks as if some of the characters in front of the house are moving to different locations of the title card and some are possibly not in all versions, but I'm not sure if this different is sufficiently important to warrant separate uploads of title cards. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:19, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
    • I don’t think such a minor difference would be seen as justifying multiple non-free files. Maybe these season have been released on DVD or something and the cover art on those would be OK; otherwise, I don’t think the files should be kept. — Marchjuly (talk) 21:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

File:James McGirr 1947.jpgEdit

Hi Stefan. You nominated this file for discussion at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 January 31#File:James McGirr 1947.jpg and the consensus was that the file's non-free use only was OK for James McGirr. The same file has been uploaded to Commons as c:File:JamesMcGirr1947.jpg, so if there's no problem with the new source or the licensing of the Commons file, then the local one on Wikipedia probably can be tagged per WP:F8. Since Explicit closed the FFD, I'll ping him as well for his input. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:49, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

The file information page on Commons links to which credits the image to The Herald and Weekly Times, which is not the government. In other words, the copyright tag is wrong. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:13, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

RFD nominationsEdit

Would you okay with me merging those nominations together when you’ve tagged them all, all per WP:RFD#D6 in the statement? Steel1943 (talk) 21:29, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

R 6 nominationsEdit

Would you please consider merging your R6 nominations, or would you like me to do that for you? It would probably be more efficient to have them together, at least the ones that are article namespace to template. --TheSandDoctor Talk 21:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Looks like Steel1943 has the same idea. Consider this a seconding of their proposal. --TheSandDoctor Talk 21:31, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
@TheSandDoctor: Yeah, except for the one I just commented on that coincidentally retracted your statement from, considering I had a different opinion about that one and would like to avoid a WP:TRAINWRECK. Steel1943 (talk) 21:34, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
  • If one of you merges them, then fine with me. I think that there was only one which needs its own discussion (because I linked to an old RfD). There are more of them coming. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:35, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
  • Merging them may or may not be a good idea: while most of the nominated redirects should probably be deleted, there are a few that look OK. You know, a redirect isn't automatically bad by virtue of being cross-namespace. If the redirect is a plausible search term, its target contains relevant content and there is no article that is more relevant, then the redirect is fine.
    I really think that before nominating any more similar redirects you have a pause and first see how these nominations go. Otherwise, yes, you've taken up a useful taks there. – Uanfala (talk) 00:26, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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Photo for Michael Weisman profileEdit

Hello - I noticed you flagged this photo for possible deletion. However, I received explicit permission from the photographer who took this photo, Steven Freeman, to post it on Wikipedia and on Mr. Weisman's profile. I sent in the email yesterday, and the ticket # is #2019010310006246. I hope this is enough to resolve this issue and keep the photo posted on the profile. Can you please let me know if this is correct or if any other information is needed? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jas10010 (talkcontribs) 23:22, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

I see that you have also asked at a noticeboard and that someone has answered there. Note that I am not able to read messages sent to OTRS, so I can't answer any questions about such messages. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Converting non-free logos to PDEdit

Hi Stefan2. Thanks for going around and converting various non-free logos to PD if they are too simple for copyright protection. Sometimes I'm not so sure; so, I just leave it as non-free. Could you also change the non-free use rationale to {{Information}} when you do convert a license in such a way? Some of the bots that check non-free files seem to get confused by the apparent conflict between a non-free use rationale and a PD license; so, the file gets flagged for a NFCC#9 issue, etc. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:12, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Is there a wiki bug or two?Edit

See File:Aerion SBJ.jpg - big file uploaded 07:58, 12 February 2019, Stefan2bot 2 has not found it, RonBot 3 did not find it (I found it by sheer accident - so tagged manually for reduction). RonBot basically uses

incategory: "All non-free media" fileres:>325 -incategory:"Non-free images tagged for no reduction" on File namespace

Doing that in an advanced search still does not find it (Fileres: for the bigger image is 558). I assume wiki is still supplying the fileres: of version1 (=262)? Not sure how Stefan2bot 2 finds the images to tag, or why it has missed this one. Ronhjones  (Talk) 00:04, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm finding images to tag from the oldimage table and I assume that your search query finds the fileres from there. If a row is missing from that database table for unknown reasons, then the file isn't detected by my bot, and probably not by your bot either. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:29, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at WT:FOOTY#Bhutan national football teamEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at WT:FOOTY#Bhutan national football team. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Stefan2. I've added a link to this FOOTY discussion as a courtesy because you were one of the participants in Wikipedia:Non-free content review/Archive 55#File:Bhutan FA.png which is part of what is being discussed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Hooliganry SpamEdit

You spammed him with football spam. WMF Office reverted all this. Please do not spam him again, it is futile! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:22, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

It seems that I notified the user about two files which were apparently orphaned in 2014. Five years later, the Wikimedia Foundation apparently decided to ban the user, and it seems that WMFOffice decided to remove my talk page notifications from 2014 when informing the user about the ban. Furthermore, the user seems to have been blocked since 2008.
When I tag a file for deletion, I can obviously not know if the Foundation is going to ban the user five years later. Furthermore, I do not see why I should care about that. Even if the user is blocked or banned, the talk page might be watched by others who find the notifications useful. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:20, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

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Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!Edit


Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to, so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.

If you have any questions, please let us know at

Thank you!

--User:Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

Season's GreetingsEdit

  FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:39, 23 December 2019 (UTC)