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Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations openEdit

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:54, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2018).

  Administrator changes

  None
  AsterionCrisco 1492KFKudpungLizRandykittySpartaz
  Optimist on the runVoice of Clam

  Interface administrator changes

  AmorymeltzerMr. StradivariusMusikAnimalMSGJTheDJXaosflux

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a "stop-gap" discussion, six users have temporarily been made interface administrators while discussion is ongoing for a more permanent process for assigning the permission. Interface administrators are now the only editors allowed to edit sitewide CSS and JavaScript pages, as well as CSS/JS pages in another user's userspace. Previously, all administrators had this ability. The right can be granted and revoked by bureaucrats.

  Technical news

  • Because of a data centre test you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for up to an hour on 12 September and 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. The time when you can't edit might be shorter than an hour.
  • Some abuse filter variables have changed. They are now easier to understand for non-experts. The old variables will still work but filter editors are encouraged to replace them with the new ones. You can find the list of changed variables on mediawiki.org. They have a note which says Deprecated. Use ... instead. An example is article_text which is now page_title.
  • Abuse filters can now use how old a page is. The variable is page_age.

  Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee has resolved to perform a round of Checkuser and Oversight appointments. The usernames of all applicants will be shared with the Functionaries team, and they will be requested to assist in the vetting process. The deadline to submit an application is 23:59 UTC, 12 September, and the candidates that move forward will be published on-wiki for community comments on 18 September.

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SoccerSam Deleted PageEdit

Patar,

my page was deleted because I copy and pasted the information from a website that I wrote the information for my boss. Is there a way to retrieve this page and repost it for me? The information was not plagerized as I am the one that wrote it on the original website. I am trying to create the wikipedia page with my boss, SoccerSam. SoccerSam prevelant member of the Rochester, NY community and business man.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank YOu! Kmk01188 (talk) 16:22, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

@Kmk01188: The text on the website is copyrighted, and that copyright is owned by your boss/company since you wrote it during the course of your work. If I restored it, that would mean that Wikipedia and I would be violating your company's copyrights, which we do not want to do. Since Wikipedia only allows hosting content released under a suitably free license, the only way to restore that page as it was would be to get your boss/company to follow the steps at WP:DONATETEXT and give up most of the privileges associated with their ownership of the copyright. However, you are always free to rewrite the article in a way that would not make Wikipedia violate your company's copyright. However, it would still have to meet relevant guidelines such as the general notability guideline through in-depth coverage in reliable sources. Also, if you are being paid to edit Wikipedia, you must declare that or you will be blocked from editing (see WP:PAID). ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:54, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Alt-rightEdit

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Alt-right. Legobot (talk) 04:26, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crescent Electric Supply Co.Edit

Hi Patar knight. At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crescent Electric Supply Co., only one editor commented after I cited multiple sources including a 1957 profile in BusinessWeek that called Crescent Electric Supply "the midwest's largest electrical distributor". That editor did not address why the sources I provided were insufficient to establish notability. Please reconsider your close as "delete". Thank you, Cunard (talk) 00:27, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

While I think you often do good work in digging up sources and trying to rescue articles, I think I must decline to revisit the close in this case. The other !voters and the nom all indicated that they had also done a survey of the available sources and found them unconvincing. There was also nearly three days for those editors to change their minds between when you posted the sources and the AFD close. Instead, during that time, another !voter thought that the available sources were lacking. Of the five best sources that you found, only the BusinessWeek article seems to truly cover the company in-depth, and none of the others seem to spend more than two paragraphs on the subject. This assessment seems borne out by the state of the article. While it's certainly better than how it was before you worked on it, the material is utterly mundane, except for the stuff sourced from the BusinessWeek article. I appreciate that it's frustrating to work on an article during AfD and have it deleted, but in this case you'll have to go to DRV. Sorry, ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:44, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining your close. I have taken the AfD to Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2018 September 11#Crescent Electric Supply Co.. Cunard (talk) 06:32, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve CanadalandEdit

Hi, I'm Zchrykng. Patar knight, thanks for creating Canadaland!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. It is helpful when the lead contains information about why the subject is important/notable. Cheers!

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.

{{u|zchrykng}} {T|C} 15:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

@Zchrykng: I only created the redirect, you're looking for ZEQFS. Does Page Curation automatically send this to the creator or is there a function to manually designate who receives this message? ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Oops, sorry about that. I think it just auto sends it... will have to check. I only got the perm/tools in the last day or so. {{u|zchrykng}} {T|C} 08:35, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018Edit

 
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Deletion review for Ozark (TV series) Opening Credit SymbolsEdit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ozark (TV series) Opening Credit Symbols. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Stifle (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commencedEdit

G'day everyone, voting for the 2018 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:35, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commencedEdit

G'day everyone, voting for the 2018 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:22, 15 September 2018 (UTC) Note: the previous version omitted a link to the election page, therefore you are receiving this follow up message with a link to the election page to correct the previous version. We apologies for any inconvenience that this may have caused.

Please comment on Talk:EgyptEdit

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Please comment on Maximilian von Götzen-IturbideEdit

Back in January of 2017 you participated in a discussion about a deletion proposal for an article about Maximilian von Götzen-Iturbide. Someone has added a similar article again and there is, again, a deletion proposal. It doesn't appear that the subject has become any more notable since he was a year and a half ago, but there it is. You were good with helping us to reach a decision last time so I just thought I should let you know it's come up again. Flyte35 (talk) 17:52, 21 September 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:United Daughters of the ConfederacyEdit

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Deliberations regarding a deleted page that you locked, to reinstate itEdit

Hello Patar knight,

(Note: I have already emailed you the same message, but am also posting it here in case you can't read it. I thought it a good way to reach you since deliberations about reinstating a deleted page are under way.)

I was recently trying to reinstate the Janhvi Kapoor page in good-faith, because I believe that she has reasonably Notability to have her own page, yet I saw that her page was blocked.

User:Amorymeltzer has since informed me on her talk page...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Amorymeltzer#Reinstate_the_Janhvi_Kapoor_page,_please?)

...that you were the principal person who made the decision to lock it after deliberation with an Articles for Deletion committee, and that I would need your approval to unlock it again.

For the past day or so, the topic has since come under discussion again- as I have been talking with User:GSS and User:User:Winged Blades of Godric about reinstating it- with each providing seemingly valid arguments for both cases. See here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GSS#Reinvoking_a_deleted_page

In the interim, and as per Amorymeltzer's suggestion, I have created a draft/subpage for any further discussion on the issue. I have requested all 3 users mentioned above to go to that page's talk page for further deliberation. Here is the page below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rush922/subpage/JanhviK

Please go and discuss on it with the others so we can discuss whether Janhvi can have a valid page again. And also, as I am a relative newcomer, can you explain the deliberation process to me? I am unsure when or how long it takes to arrive at a consensus. Thanks.

Rush922 (talk) 20:44, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I think any admin would be happy to unprotect it if there was some consensus that it should return to mainspace. You could also try submiting it through the articles for creation process, that allows someone uninvolved to review it, and if successful would be restored barring some egregious error in the AFC review. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Accidental deletionEdit

Sorry must have pressed something accidentally putting down my mobile phone. Best wishes Maureen Brindle Maureen Brindle (talk) 03:02, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

No worries, don't worry about it. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:52, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Have your say!Edit

Hi everyone, just a quick reminder that voting for the WikiProject Military history coordinator election closes soon. You only have a day or so left to have your say about who should make up the coordination team for the next year. If you have already voted, thanks for participating! If you haven't and would like to, vote here before 23:59 UTC on 28 September. Thanks, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:29, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

UNDELETION of Reuters - The World's Most Innovative Universities!!!!Edit

Hi Patar Knight, You are 100% wrong on your speedy deletion of the article I just created. Please speedy restore it. There was no time to contest or explain before it was immediately erased. The information was taken from another wikipedia article College and university rankings. This is not advertisement. I do not work for this ranking. It is an empirical global ranking cited by many universities across the world and many wikis. That is also how the wiki page College and university rankings described the text, it was not from the site you sourced as criteria for speedy deletion or for advertisement purposes as cited. We needed the article to add it to the college and university ranking template where a discussion was happening. Please speedy restore it IMMEDIATELY. I will be contacting wikipedia if it is not restored as the reasons for speedy deleting this article was just wrong. I did not use the article you cited for speedy deletion and never even read it. PLEASE SPEEDY RESTORE IT NOW! This was bull to speedy erase it. This should not be done after people work hard to create an article by synthesizing wiki content from other pages to create an article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikecurry1 (talkcontribs) 23:46, September 26, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for this comment; I was able to remove some problematic copyright violations from the college and university rankings page. So while you copied from a Wikipedia article in good faith, it was unfortunately form a page that was itself compromised by copyright violations. Copyright violations must be deleted promptly and cannot be restored for legal reasons. You'll have to rewrite the article from scratch (though I tried to produce a copyvio-free version of the content myself which you might want to use).---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:56, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Hi Patar knight, How would I use your version that does not have copyright violations. Yes, I used the information from another wiki page, which apparently had copyright violations, but not my work. How would I restore your version of the copyvio-free version.Mikecurry1 (talk) 06:09, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Just go to College and university rankings and follow the steps at WP:COPYWITHIN to give the required legal attribution. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

JT McCormick's Page DeletionEdit

Hi Patar,

Full disclosure: I work with JT McCormick.

I see the reasons listed why JT's page was deleted, however, I fail to see how he is less credible or notable than the thousands of other CEOs, keynote speakers and professionally published authors that do have a Wikipedia page. At a glance, I can see why someone wouldn't think just being a CEO of a startup is worthy of a Wikipedia entry; but I would have thought being an author and speaker would have made that distinction.

Please let me know if there's any resolution to this, as we'd like to see his page returned to a live state, or let me know what other citations/sources you would need to make it worthy.

Thank you. Chris — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:A0:1BC0:8D40:1A2B:1CB2:229C (talk) 17:43, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I had a response typed out to this last month, but apparently never saved it.
I'm sure there are hundreds, if not thousands, of similarly notable individuals who have Wikipedia articles that should be deleted. However, each individual Articles for Deletion discussion only focuses on the page in question, and cannot possibly try to review every single analogous page (see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). There is no inherent notability for being a startup CEO, author, or speaker. Any person must meet the general notability guidelines or a specific notability guideline, in this case the notability guideline for authors. This was how JT McCormick was assessed at the deletion discussion.
If you believe that there exists in-depth coverage of Mr. McCormick in multiple, independent, reliable sources and that the AfD is wrong, feel free to point me to such sources. Also, if you are being paid to promote this content on wikipedia, you must disclose that. Thanks, ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:21, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 1 October 2018Edit

Please comment on Talk:Oscar López RiveraEdit

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user spaceEdit

would you mind deleting all of my user space stuff except for my js and css? Praxidicae (talk) 23:00, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Sure, sorry to see you go. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:04, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Patar knight, I guess they asked not to delete the js/css. ‐‐1997kB (talk) 10:45, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Looks like this is resolved in any case. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – October 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2018).

  Administrator changes

  JustlettersandnumbersL235
  BgwhiteHorsePunchKidJ GrebKillerChihuahuaRami RWinhunter

  Interface administrator changes

  Cyberpower678Deryck ChanOshwahPharosRagesossRitchie333

  Oversight changes

  Guerillero NativeForeigner SnowolfXeno

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Partial blocks should be available for testing in October on the Test Wikipedia and the Beta-Cluster. This new feature allows admins to block users from editing specific pages and in the near-future, namespaces and uploading files. You can expect more updates and an invitation to help with testing once it is available.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team is currently looking for input on how to measure the effectiveness of blocks. This is in particular related to how they will measure the success of the aforementioned partial blocks.
  • Because of a data centre test, you will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia projects for up to an hour on 10 October. This will start at 14:00 (UTC). You might lose edits if you try to save during this time.

  Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee has, by motion, amended the procedure on functionary inactivity.
  • The community consultation for 2018 CheckUser and Oversight appointments has concluded. Appointments will be made by October 11.
  • Following a request for comment, the size of the Arbitration Committee will be decreased to 13 arbitrators, starting in 2019. Additionally, the minimum support percentage required to be appointed to a two-year term on ArbCom has been increased to 60%. ArbCom candidates who receive between 50% and 60% support will be appointed to one-year terms instead.
  • Nominations for the 2018 Arbitration Committee Electoral Commission are being accepted until 12 October. These are the editors who help run the ArbCom election smoothly. If you are interested in volunteering for this role, please consider nominating yourself.

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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018Edit

 
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Disambiguation based on surnamesEdit

Hi. Regarding your comment re Pelas, "Obviously it is common to refer to people by surname only"—sure, after first mention by their full name. But most people aren't Shakespeare or Picasso or Gandhi, who can by referenced solely by their surnames in the expectation that others already familiar with these individuals will know exactly who's being spoken of. See MOS:DABNAME, "Persons who have the ambiguous term as surname or given name should be listed in the main disambiguation list of the disambiguation page only if they are frequently referred to simply by the single name (e.g., Elvis, Shakespeare)." So you've turned Pelas into a non-conformant disambiguation page. Largoplazo (talk) 14:48, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

The phrasing "main disambiguation page" means that MOS:DABNAME would not apply in cases where the DAB page is not long enough to have a main section followed by topic-specific sections. The rest of the MOS:DABNAME backs this up, since it only lists two ways to add people who are not referred to mononymously: adding a section at the DAB page titled "People with the given name/surname X" or creating an anthroponymy articles at "X (given name/surname)". Neither would make sense for short DAB pages since the first would be unnecessary bloat and the second would be unnecessarily cumbersome for readers. This interpretation is backed by long-standing practice on DAB pages, where individuals are often only split out once the DAB page becomes longer. So while DABNAME doesn't apply here, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC applies regardless of length, and I think there's a good case that neither entry would be the primary topic. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:14, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
Your administrative point taken, I would say that a disambiguation page that has only one item in its main list and then only one item in a naming list is still rather suspect. Also taking your point about primary subject, it seems to me that this title is currently misbegotten and we'd be best served by having it deleted. What do you think? Largoplazo (talk) 19:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
It would be suspect, which is why MOS:DABNAME doesn't apply to short DAB pages with no sections. Per MOS:DABORDER, only long DAB pages – and two entries is certainly not long – need to have sections. A DAB page with two valid entries – a transliteration and a surname – neither of which is the primary topic is okay per WP:NOPRIMARY. There is also additional value to being able to add a "see also" link to Pela (disambiguation) as well as the wiktionary box. While neither topic is particularly prominent, that's not a reason to delete a valid DAB page. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject 2010 US CensusEdit

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject RiversEdit

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Michael Peterson (criminal)Edit

I was reading up on the case and inevitably stumbled onto his Wikipedia page. Should he really be labeled as a criminal? Couldn’t it be (criminal case) or something similar? Thank you! 75.70.232.193 (talk) 02:43, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

It's a bit of weird case. Normally it would be titled something like "Death of [dead person's name]", but Michael Peterson has achieved prominence as an individual for how he was treated during the case. Given that he used an Alford plea, it's not really a BLP violation, since legally he is a criminal, and it's not a more loaded term like "murderer". Criminal case wouldn't work as a parenthetical disambiguator, since those are supposed to be descriptive of the person. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:02, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Question about uploading resource about CAN BUS ShieldEdit

Hi Dear,

I got the message said : 13:31, 25 September 2018 Patar knight (talk | contribs) deleted page Draft:CAN BUS Shield (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of http://wiki.seeedstudio.com/CAN-BUS_Shield_V1.2/) Actually I am owner of the content from http://wiki.seeedstudio.com/CAN-BUS_Shield_V1.2/, I created the content from http://wiki.seeedstudio.com, so is there any way I can still upload the content of CAN BUS Shield so that I can help more people to learn about what is CAN BUS Shield and how it could better help their projects?

Best Regards, Seeed --Seeed Wiki (talk) 03:19, 23 October 2018 (UTC)Seeed Wiki

Hi, that page, although under a free license, is under CC-BY-SA 4.0 (although the copyright tag at the bottom confusingly says "all rights reserved"), which is not a compatible license with Wikipedia. [1] So you would either have to re-license the content, but going back a Creative Commons version may not be legally possible, or rewrite it so you don't violate your own copyright. However, even if the text is copyright-compliant, for it to stay on Wikipedia, it would have to meet our general notability guidelines through multiple, in-depth coverage in independent, third-party reliable sources. Also, if you are being paid to promote this content on wikipedia, you must disclose that. Thanks, ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:09, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 October 2018Edit

Administrators' newsletter – November 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Partial blocks is now available for testing on the Test Wikipedia. The new functionality allows you to block users from editing specific pages. Bugs may exist and can be reported on the local talk page or on Meta. A discussion regarding deployment to English Wikipedia will be started by community liaisons sometime in the near future.
  • A user script is now available to quickly review unblock requests.
  • The 2019 Community Wishlist Survey is now accepting new proposals until November 11, 2018. The results of this survey will determine what software the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Tech team will work on next year. Voting on the proposals will take place from November 16 to November 30, 2018. Specifically, there is a proposal category for admins and stewards that may be of interest.

  Arbitration

  • Eligible editors will be invited to nominate themselves as candidates in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 4 until November 13. Voting will begin on November 19 and last until December 2.
  • The Arbitration Committee's email address has changed to arbcom-en wikimedia.org. Other email lists, such as functionaries-en and clerks-l, remain unchanged.

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Deletion?Edit

Not sure why you have just deleted Dominic Brigstocke, when I specifically asked at the outset of the discussion for the process to be delayed until the end of November, to allow me to search out various (non-online) articles about him (the deletion discussion was related to WP:BIO). If this matter is so super-urgent - despite the page having been more-or-less stable for some ten years - it might have been nice of you to drop me a note to my Talk page first.

But perhaps you didn't read what I wrote on the page and just followed some mechanical process. In which case I would be grateful if you could revert this page and wait until I produce the evidence, should I find enough by the end of November. If it can't be reverted, where is the text of the article, so that I - or perhaps someone without my potential COI issues - can replace it?

Thank you AnOpenMedium (talk) 11:50, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, I've been away for the past week. While requests for extensions at Articles for Deletion are sometimes granted, they are entirely discretionary. Here, a request to extend a discussion opened in mid-October to the end of November would mean a six week discussion, twice the recommended maximum discussion length. During the course of the discussion three other editors did their own survey of the available sources and found that our notability criteria were not met. The single source you provided in support of an extension was insufficient to tiself rebut the findings of the other editors, and given the declared COI found that there was clear consensus to delete. However, if you do find the sources, please contact me and I'll see about a possible undeletion. Thanks, ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 14:40, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018Edit

 
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 Hello, Patar knight. Voting in the 2018 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 3 December. All users who registered an account before Sunday, 28 October 2018, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Thursday, 1 November 2018 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

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The Signpost: 1 December 2018Edit

Nominations now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awardsEdit

Nominations for our annual Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards are open until 23:59 (GMT) on 15 December 2018. Why don't you nominate the editors who you believe have made a real difference to the project in 2018? MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – December 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (November 2018).

  Administrator changes

  Al Ameer sonRandykittySpartaz
  BosonDaniel J. LeivickEfeEsanchez7587Fred BauderGarzoMartijn HoekstraOrangemike

  Interface administrator changes

 Deryck Chan

  Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, the Mediation Committee is now closed and will no longer be accepting case requests.
  • A request for comment is in progress to determine whether members of the Bot Approvals Group should satisfy activity requirements in order to remain in that role.
  • A request for comment is in progress regarding whether to change the administrator inactivity policy, such that administrators "who have made no logged administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped". Currently, the policy states that administrators "who have made neither edits nor administrative actions for at least 12 months may be desysopped".
  • A proposal has been made to temporarily restrict editing of the Main Page to interface administrators in order to mitigate the impact of compromised accounts.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • In late November, an attacker compromised multiple accounts, including at least four administrator accounts, and used them to vandalize Wikipedia. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. Sharing the same password across multiple websites makes your account vulnerable, especially if your password was used on a website that suffered a data breach. As these incidents have shown, these concerns are not pure fantasies.
  • Wikipedia policy requires administrators to have strong passwords. To further reinforce security, administrators should also consider enabling two-factor authentication. A committed identity can be used to verify that you are the true account owner in the event that your account is compromised and/or you are unable to log in.

  Obituaries


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The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018Edit

 
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Voting now open for "Military historian of the year" and "Military history newcomer of the year" awardsEdit

Voting for our annual Military historian of the year and Military history newcomer of the year awards is open until 23:59 (GMT) on 30 December 2018. Why don't you vote for the editors who you believe have made a real difference to Wikipedia's coverage of military history in 2018? MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:17, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Deleted articleEdit

Is there a way to recover the contents of an article so that I can post it to another website. Unfortunately, I lost the backup I had on my computer, and I hope not to have to recreate all my work. I would have expected it to remain in my sandbox, but it appears that content was also deleted when the post was deleted.

The deleted article was for Village Attacks (game)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sardonyx47 (talkcontribs) 18:03, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Sardonyx47: Sorry for the late reply, I've been on break for the last month. All edits to Wikipedia are subject to the Wikimedia Foundation's Terms of Use, which means that they are subject to a free license. Since the license Wikipedia uses has a Sharealike provision, if you post the information to another website, it must also be licensed under an appropriately free license. If this is possible, feel free to email me and I can send you a copy of the deleted text. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:21, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Allmand, WarrenEdit

Hi, I have edited one of your entries. It was incorrect but based on a globe and mail article. The correction was made today and just wanted to let you know. Cheers egkainizo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Egkainizo (talkcontribs) 09:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

@Egkainizo: Sorry, I've been on break for the last month. I've just removed any numerical reference, since that seemed to have been an assumption I made based on the implied meaning of the Globe and Mail article. If there is a source for Rosemary being the third wife, please add it! Thanks, ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:25, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

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Requesting Undeletion of "List of GameCube games with alternate display modes"Edit

I am requesting the restoration of the page List of GameCube games with alternate display modes. This page provided useful information for anyone looking for a deeper understanding of the GameCube's video output capabilities, including what requirements must be met for alternative output methods such as GameCube model, A/V cable, and television requirements. The most vital information on the page beyond this is the list of software that is actually capable of supporting alternate display modes, and what action the user must perform to achieve these alternate modes when the hardware requirements are met.

The main GameCube article does not provide this information, and the page surely must have been made with the intention of not weighing down that article with this abundance of additional information.

Please note that similar articles for the PS2 and Xbox also existed and were recently deleted as well by users RoySmith and TheSandDoctor respectively, and I am making restoration requests for those articles on their respective talk pages as well.

Thank you for your time. --2601:440:C07F:77A1:B47F:491B:3E34:CEC1 (talk) 05:35, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Since the AfD discussion resulted in a strong consensus to delete, it would be inappropriate for me to unilaterally undelete it. It any case, it is Sandstein who actually assessed the consensus, I merely deleted after he overlooked the actual deletion of the article. However, I imagine his response would be the same. If he also doesn't agree to restore, than you can try and argue your case for why the consensus was incorrectly interpreted at deletion review. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 23:45, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
I agree that the article should not be undeleted because the IP editor does not indicate what has changed since the AfD closure. Sandstein 08:54, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

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Athanasio CeliaEdit

Dear Admin, I only want to ask if the possibility exists to restore the article. The reason of my request is, that after all the involved editors had voted, the editor "ThatMontrealIP" did a hard work to improve the article. So the voting and consensus was not about the final form of the article. Thank you in advance. 4evayoung77 (talk) 01:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

This is a pretty disingenuous request, which I won't action. ThatMontrealIP clearly !voted to delete the article in the AFD citing a lack of reliable sources demonstrating notability and the only work they did on the article was to remove unreliable sources from the article. Since they didn't add any reliable sources during that work, it's safe to conclude that none were discovered, or at least an insufficient amount to change their mind. If the work on the article shows a change in heart, they were always free to return to the AFD and change their vote. In any case, even if they did change their !vote on the AFD, the consensus would still have been to delete the article. I've pinged them here to give their side of the story, but I suspect my deductions above are correct. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:26, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
Patar knight, thanks for the ping. You are correct. I can't see the deleted article, but I recall that I worked on the article and couldn't come up with good sources. I voted !delete on that basis and see no reason to revisit that.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks for your work. Feel free to take it to deletion review if you think that my assessment of consensus at the AFD was wrong, 4evayoung77. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:09, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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Typhoon ZackEdit

We are trying to standardize the names of search terms to include non-tropical storms, which involves changing the name of the redirect. I hope you realize that the name Zack has been used more than one time. Our goal is to remove all the main name space redirects so we don't have to worry about it whenever a storm name gets retired or a storm worthy of taking it occurs. Besides, the redirect you made is not needed as one already exists for "Typhoon Zack (1995)". NoahTalk 01:25, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Search terms do not need to be standardized, since redirects exist and many redirects can point to the same target, so I'm not exactly sure what your first sentence means. A pointer to a relevant discussion would be helpful. As far as I can tell, based on the former target of the redirect, there is only Typhoon Zack that's substantially covered by Wikipedia, so it's appropriate to redirect the term to that content. Typhoon Zack (1995) is a {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}}. If there is more than one Typhoon Zack covered on Wikipedia, then in the absence of a primary topic, it should redirect to List_of_named_storms_(Z)#Zack. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:45, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
I've restored and retargetted Cyclone Zuman on the basis of the last sentence in my reply above. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:50, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Nevermind... I guess what you did is fine. NoahTalk 02:58, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Ross Greer (disambiguation)Edit

The same as my points at User talk:Sir Sputnik#Magnus Lindberg (disambiguation) there is a topic at the base name Ross Greer (the politician) and the footballer at Ross Greer (footballer) so other than the topic at the base name it only disambiguates 1 topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 11:26, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

The base topic is still an entry that can be disambiguated. WP:G14 only applies to pages that only have one valid dab entry or zero valid dab entries, since these are unambiguously unneeded DAB pages. 2DABs are much more likely to fall within a grey zone that makes it unsuitable for CSD, whether it's because the page at the base name doesn't qualify primary topic (e.g. when it's there just because it got created first) or because there are additional entries that were overlooked or have been created since the DAB was last updated. In my experience, SOP for 2DABs where there is already a primary topic at the base name is to PROD them so it shows up at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Disambiguation#Article_alerts, where editors who work with DABs can try and see if there are additional entries to add. Then when the PROD expires after a week, they'll be deleted as necessary. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:55, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
@Crouch, Swale: Ping, since I responded later than anticipated, my bad. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:56, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
I have brought this up at Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#G14 I'd note that the move to primary topic was a result of Talk:Ross Greer#Requested move 25 February 2019 and that since the split of G6 the wording of allowing DAB pages with a total of 2 meanings where there is a primary topic seemed to for some reason be lost. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:19, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Hmm, not sure I agree with the move, seems like recentism. AFAIK G6 never allowed deletion of 2DABs with a primary topic even before the G14 split, but I'll have to look at the page history. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:18, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Restoring redirectsEdit

Hi. I've noticed you are restoring a number of redirects that I tagged for deletion as WP:G5. You are noting in the log that not a G5 violation - can you explain why this isn't a violation? --DannyS712 (talk) 01:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry about the late reply, I wanted to post my reasoning on your talk page after going through all the restorations, but was caught up in other things so I never finished that task before you posted on my talk page.
I've always taken the second bullet point at G5: To qualify, the edit must be a violation of the user's specific block or ban" (emphasis added) to mean that pages created by a sockpuppet of a blocked user who was not originally blocked for sockpuppetry to fall outside the scope of G5 unless it is in violation of the original block. If all pages regardless of connection to the original block fell into the scope of G5, then this bullet point would be completely redundant to first sentence of G5 (This applies to pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block). All users who use another account to edit pages while blocked under the original account would be socking and editing in violation of that block, so if G5 applied to all pages created by sockpuppets of blocked users, it would be unnecessary to specify that it only applies to violations of specific blocks.
In this case, the original user, User:Niqabu, was indeffed for racial insults, so IMO, any pages User:Openlydialectic created should only be deleted under G5 if they are racially charged in any way. For example, one redirect I won't be restoring is Nagorno-Karabakh cuisine, which was redirected to Armenian cuisine despite the region being internationally recognized as part of (though not controlled by) Azerbaijan. Compounded with Niqabu calling other editors Turkoroaches (Azerbaijanis are a Turkic ethnicity), this would be a justified G5 deletion.
Also, in the case of redirects, the need to resort to G5 is also lessened, since it's very quick to check if the redirect is valid compared to even the shortest articles, for which you would have to look at things like bias, sources, tone, etc. For example, having Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment of Thailand redirect to Ministry of Natural Resources and Environment (Thailand) is obviously not an issue, and should be endorsed as a useful redirect. Also, as far as I know there are no aggravating factors like undisclosed paid editing, BLP, or other similar concerns that might militate in favour of using G5 here. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:14, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
@Athaenara:, whom I reverted on all of these redirects. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:18, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
@Patar knight: I guess I interpreted it differently - looking at the second part of the second bullet point (Pages created by a topic-banned user may be deleted if they come under that particular topic, but not if they are legitimately about some other topic), I assumed this meant that if a user is blocked from the entire site, then all page creations were eligible, and that the first part was to make it clear that topic banned users can contribute to other topics. --DannyS712 (talk) 02:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
There's no need to ping me on my own talk page, that happens by default whenever anyone posts here. If the second bullet point was only meant to clarify restrictions on topic banned users, then it would have been written without the first sentence to lead-in, since it would be redundant, and just start with the bit about topic-banned users. Looking at the history of the G5's wording, it was changed without discussion in 2015 to remove "For example" from the second bullet point, which had almost always been there since it was added after a discussion on the talk page. [2][3] This edit added ambiguity to the second bullet point as to if it only applied to topic banned users or if it only used topic banned users as an example, so I'll revert the change. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:11, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019Edit

 
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Microsoft Azure Dev Tools for TeachingEdit

Hi,

I observe when closing you moved Microsoft Imagine to Microsoft Azure Dev Tools for Teaching. You appear to have ignored I suggested Azure Dev Tools for Teaching. Such a move should is in my opinion contentious and should have been left outside of AfD. The primary purpose of the AfD is to keep/delete and proper discussion of the move target cannot be held in AfD. In fact from other discussion and other Azure utilities it is likely Azure Dev Tools for Teaching is the WP:COMMONNAME. Can you please move it back until this is decided. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Actually you suggested both and didn't really indicate a strong preference for either besides a mild dislike of how clunky the full name is. [4] On the other hand, two other editors at the AFD showed a preference for the full name. Since the old name is obsolete, and redirects are cheap, I decided to move the page. I did a quick comparison of usage after the name change, and didn't see a strong preference for the full or short name, so I went with the official name used on the product website's more legal pages (e.g. the Subscription Agreement). You are always free to start a WP:RM if you think it should be at a different title. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 21:42, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
My view is I indicated there were two candidate and a discussion was required outside of AfD which was a poor place for the discussion. Yes I could start a WP:RM .... I have a life and as the closer your puts weight against the move. It forces me to raise the WP:RM. I'm spitting feathers. The nom. decided 6 days ago it shouldn't have been at AfD. I'm livid Djm-leighpark (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
If that was your view, it was not at all clearly communicated in the AFD. Moves and renames are proposed at AFDs all the time to address issues brought up during the discussion. It's entirely within administrative discretion to find that there was a consensus to move the page in addition to keeping the page, which is what I did in this instance. The nominator could have withdrawn the AFD at any time, but chose not to do so, and the subsequent commentators indicated a clear preference for updating the name.
My role in closing the AFD doesn't give some sort of extra weight in any RM, since my arguments would have to stand on their own and the article title is not a longstanding one. I was simply solving the immediate issue identified at the AFD that the name was outdated, and choosing the option that had more support. If you disagree with the precise wording of the article title, you should start an RM. Doing so is easy and should take at the very most 15-ish minutes if you want to make a longer initial statement. Otherwise, you can start a deletion review that I interpreted consensus incorrectly. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:31, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
  • Thankyou for your response. WP:DRV is possible but that is for technical reasons(ie not personal), one of which is Wikidata was not updated and is to a degree part of the move (thought frankly I've done moves and not thought about it). I have done the necessary here. I've also given the article a quick makeover with respect to the name change. There is also a redirect that needs to become a DAB to prevent a weir DAB hatnote. Quite frankly its an AfD that should have been withdrawn after day one instead of being allowed to roll for a merge/move discussion ... AfD is a bad place for that. Being an obvious keep the article didn't need a WP:RESCUE. I suppose I'm lucky the nom. didn't take me to WP:AN ... Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 923#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Microsoft Imagine ... but there we have it. I've kind of had enough of RM to drag this one there Talk:Manjaro Linux#Requested move 17 March 2019 which possibly is giving support for WP:COMMONNAME vs official name. Because there are a number of (Microsoft) Azure SaaS products its really worth deserving of a neutral discussion with that focus. Things are not currently good for that. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:14, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

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AfD issueEdit

Hello! I have noticed you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Atul Singh as delete, but you haven't deleted it. Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:52, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Nevermind now, CSD G6 solved the issue already! Jovanmilic97 (talk) 16:58, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Must have been the script acting up. Thanks for notifying me though! ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:10, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

clayton jenningsEdit

This was closed as delete, and it was originally copied from Simple English Wikipedia at https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Jennings -- I didn't know if there was something else we needed to do to get it deleted there, also? My Twinkle doesn't work over there so I couldn't just AfD it. --valereee (talk) 12:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

They have their own deletion process at Simple. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Georgian ArmeniaEdit

The problem with the article isn't just the name and content, but also that it is a duplicate of an already existing article. This was almost completely ignored in the discussion. The article has the exact same subject matter as Zakarid Armenia. Georgiano tried to rename Zakarid Armenia to Armenia within the Kingdom of Georgia, but was reverted for having no consensus. Since he couldn't move the page himself anymore, he simply created a new page of the exact same subject with the title he wanted. He tried the same thing on the Mkhargrdzeli redirect because he couldn't remove Zakarids from Zakarids–Mkhargrdzeli.

Another thing that was mostly ignored was that both "Georgian Armenia" and "Armenia within the Kingdom of Georgia" fail all the naming conventions of WP:TITLE. They both fail WP:VER and WP:OR because no reliable sources of either of these titles being used exist; Georgiano made them both up. They are both also not WP:NPOV because it is a biased interpretation (academics sources were provided that considered Zakarid Armenia to be largely independent). So both of these titles should be deleted and not turned into redirects.

Also, I do not think the consensus should be considered substantial, because there was canvassing by a new IP that is possibly the recently blocked Georgiano. The IP invited users that he thought would support keep, which they did.

With all of this in mind, I'd like to ask you to review the points I brought up in the discussion and consider changing the result to delete. Hopefully there will be no need to start a deletion review.

@Diannaa:, as the one who repeatedly warned and ultimately blocked Georgiano for copyright violations, this might interest you. As shown in this discussion, Georgiano created an article that has multiple copyright violations and is a duplicate of an existing article, meeting two criteria for deletion (WP:G12 and WP:A10). The article still contains copyright violations on every edit revision and has been up for over two weeks. Étienne Dolet (talk) 00:41, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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Yemens Military IndustryEdit

The proposal of deletion started today and it was closed by you in the same day. I wonder if that is allowed? SharabSalam (talk) 15:38, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

The AfD was started on March 25 by another user, so while I did close the discussion, I'm perplexed by this comment. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:40, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
oh sorry I just saw your comment at the beginning of the afd and I thought it was the first comment by the proposal sorry. SharabSalam (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
No worries. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:11, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

T-Series (company)Edit

Hi could you take a look at this fake deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T-Series (company), thanks SharabSalam (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

It's just a silly April Fool's Day joke. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 16:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

What is wrong with you today?Edit

Dreamy Jazz has several times agreed all their portals can be deleted. Everytime we nominated one at MfD they tagged it A7. This is X3 lite. You should not unilaterally reverse my tagging. Legacypac (talk) 16:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

The only pages I'm restoring are redirects to valid, non-Dreamy Jazz portals that were not at MFD. I was then going to batch delete the rest of them, but someone just deleted them all. Not everything in the portal namespace is a portal, and his statement only mentioned deleting his portals, not other pages in the portal namespace such as redirects, so it would have been an invalid G7 deletion anyway. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:24, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Everything that starts with Portal: is a portal page. I'm sending them to RfD where they will be deleted. Portal to portal redirects are useless. Legacypac (talk) 17:28, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
That's not what WP:PORTAL says. Portal to portal redirects are longstanding, and even have their own RCAT {{R to portal}}, which I admittedly should have tagged these with. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:33, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

AltNews.in#Pratik_SinhaEdit

Please see if the non problematic, contents of the article that got deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pratik Sinha are already included at AltNews.in#Pratik_Sinha. I have created a section redirect for the same as a valid search term. and would want to WP:PRESERVE useful content. --DBigXray 05:53, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, been inactive for the last few months, and only semi-active before, so I didn't get back to you. As far as I can tell the bulk of the non-fluffy content is there, though there are sources in the deleted articles that aren't in the new article. The RSs that I could identify by name in the deleted article are either used in the other article or are just short mentions of the article subject. Didn't do in-depth examination of other sources. If you want, I can send you the deleted version if you want to take a look yourself. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:29, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
DBigXray---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:29, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping, Patar knight. I had almost forgotten about it. Glad that you replied. How can u send the deleted version ? Yes, if possible I would want to take a look. My intention is to beef up the Altnews article. thank you. --DBigXray 13:48, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I have sent the last version of the Pratik Sinha article before deletion to your email. Feel free to use that to improve the AltNews.in article as much as you can. Thanks, ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:51, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

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Stale Draft User:Winder.ak47/Dunk_teamEdit

Hey, I tagged this article for CSD G13, but you declined it, saying that it didn't meet the criteria. Why is that? It is a userspace draft, and the only edit within the past 6th months was an AWB edit. Thanks! CalOtter (talk) 21:51, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Any human edit (i.e. not by a bot) within in the last three months means that WP:G13 doesn't apply. In any case, even if the staleness threshold was met, it still doesn't meet any of the remaining three criteria at WP:G13. It is in userspace, not draftspace. It does not have an AFC submission template. It also has more than just placeholder text from the Article Wizard. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 22:31, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:PopulismEdit

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ArbCom 2019 special circularEdit

 
Administrators must secure their accounts

The Arbitration Committee may require a new RfA if your account is compromised.

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This message was sent to all administrators following a recent motion. Thank you for your attention. For the Arbitration Committee, Cameron11598 02:38, 4 May 2019 (UTC)


Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)Edit

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:04, 4 May 2019 (UTC)


Administrators' newsletter – May 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

  Arbitration

  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

  Miscellaneous


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Please comment on Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968Edit

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The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019Edit

 
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Please comment on Talk:Athens Polytechnic uprisingEdit

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Deletion reviewEdit

Deletion review for Armenia within the Kingdom of GeorgiaEdit

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Armenia within the Kingdom of Georgia. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Étienne Dolet (talk) 04:34, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Been inactive for the last few months, and only semi-active before that. I had a response to your post above that I never finished. While I disagree with your take on this, I can see that people in the AFD did not step up and resolve some of the issues identified. I'm okay with the current state, since the redirect is a valid one referring to historical power dynamics, similar to stuff like Russian Poland, Austrian Poland. ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 13:32, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 May 2019Edit

Administrators' newsletter – June 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2019).

  Administrator changes

  AndonicConsumed CrustaceanEnigmamanEuryalusEWS23HereToHelpNv8200paPeripitusStringTheory11Vejvančický

  CheckUser changes

  Ivanvector

  Guideline and policy news

  • An RfC seeks to clarify whether WP:OUTING should include information on just the English Wikipedia or any Wikimedia project.
  • An RfC on WT:RfA concluded that Requests for adminship and bureaucratship are discussions seeking to build consensus.
  • An RfC proposal to make the templates for discussion (TfD) process more like the requested moves (RM) process, i.e. "as a clearinghouse of template discussions", was closed as successful.

  Technical news

  • The CSD feature of Twinkle now allows admins to notify page creators of deletion if the page had not been tagged. The default behavior matches that of tagging notifications, and replaces the ability to open the user talk page upon deletion. You can customize which criteria receive notifications in your Twinkle preferences: look for Notify page creator when deleting under these criteria.
  • Twinkle's d-batch (batch delete) feature now supports deleting subpages (and related redirects and talk pages) of each page. The pages will be listed first but use with caution! The und-batch (batch undelete) option can now also restore talk pages.

  Miscellaneous


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The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019Edit

 
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The June 2019 Signpost is out!Edit

Administrators' newsletter – July 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).

  Administrator changes

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2Fram's access was removed, then restored, then removed again.

  Guideline and policy news

  • In a related matter, the account throttle has been restored to six creations per day as the mitigation activity completed.

  Technical news

  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.

  Miscellaneous


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The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019Edit

 
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Hi Patar, Re: A proposed entry for DESOMBRE, Michael, that you opposed publication of. This individual is now nominated to be the US ambassador to Thailand. As such, a Wikipedia page would be appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Magahk2020 (talkcontribs) 00:11, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Legendary Bird Trio for deletionEdit

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Legendary Bird Trio is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Legendary Bird Trio until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:43, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 July 2019Edit

Administrators' newsletter – August 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2019).

  Guideline and policy news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

  • Following a research project on masking IP addresses, the Foundation is starting a new project to improve the privacy of IP editors. The result of this project may significantly change administrative and counter-vandalism workflows. The project is in the very early stages of discussions and there is no concrete plan yet. Admins and the broader community are encouraged to leave feedback on the talk page.
  • The new page reviewer right is bundled with the admin tool set. Many admins regularly help out at Special:NewPagesFeed, but they may not be aware of improvements, changes, and new tools for the Curation system. Stay up to date by subscribing here to the NPP newsletter that appears every two months, and/or putting the reviewers' talk page on your watchlist.

    Since the introduction of temporary user rights, it is becoming more usual to accord the New Page Reviewer right on a probationary period of 3 to 6 months in the first instance. This avoids rights removal for inactivity at a later stage and enables a review of their work before according the right on a permanent basis.


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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019Edit

 
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019Edit

 
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Backlog BanzaiEdit

In the month of September, Wikiproject Military history is running a project-wide edit-a-thon, Backlog Banzai. There are heaps of different areas you can work on, for which you claim points, and at the end of the month all sorts of whiz-bang awards will be handed out. Every player wins a prize! There is even a bit of friendly competition built in for those that like that sort of thing. Sign up now at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/September 2019 Backlog Banzai to take part. For the coordinators, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:18, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 August 2019Edit

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election nominations openEdit

Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election are now open. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting doesn't commence until 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the coord team. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2019).

  Administrator changes

  BradvChetsfordIzno
  FloquenbeamLectonar
  DESiegelJake WartenbergRjanagTopbanana

  CheckUser changes

  CallaneccLFaraoneThere'sNoTime

  Oversight changes

  CallaneccFoxHJ MitchellLFaraoneThere'sNoTime

  Technical news

  • Editors using the mobile website on Wikipedia can opt-in to new advanced features via your settings page. This will give access to more interface links, special pages, and tools.
  • The advanced version of the edit review pages (recent changes, watchlist, and related changes) now includes two new filters. These filters are for "All contents" and "All discussions". They will filter the view to just those namespaces.

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:37, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commencedEdit

G'day everyone, voting for the 2019 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019Edit

 
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