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Harshil bro is taking decisions very fastEdit

See my talk page related to deletion of Anoop Mandal now, Anti-Jain Sentiments... He wants to delete but u have reviewed the article I am reporting this user..harshil Please explain him why u removed the deletion banner previously..— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rishabh.rsd (talkcontribs) 17:39, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Rishabh.rsd. When I first nominated for speedy deletion, there was barely enough there to even figure out what the subject of the article was. I removed the nomination when I found the Vice article, because I expected that meant there was probably more sourcing available in non-English languages. Now it looks like the scope of the article has been changed entirely. I honestly don't personally know enough about Jains to know whether the subject is notable or not. However, if it's going to be a scope on par with similar articles like Persecution of Hindus or Persecution of Christians, then it's probably something you may want to consider incubating as a draft for a while before moving it into main space. As it stands, its currently an article about Anoop Mandal, but with the wrong title really. So I'm not even sure which one of these really the AfD should be addressing. GMGtalk 17:56, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism Reverts - September 2019Edit

Saw you reverting some misgender vandalism on List of unlawfully killed transgender people. Thank you very much. Gwen Hope (talk) (contrib) 18:54, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Gwen. No problem at all. I'm afraid it looks like school is back in session across Wikipedia, and I seem to be finding a lot more childish vandalism lately. GMGtalk 18:55, 10 September 2019 (UTC)


Your talkpage message was rather premature. Let's talk after you've figured out whats going on. Poveglia (talk) 14:41, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

  1. Responding to an editor who is frustrated by a protracted content dispute with If you want someone to agree with you you should pay them for that service up front.[1] is entirely inappropriate and wholly unhelpful.
  2. If someone comes to a help forum with an issue that you do happen to be personally involved in, let someone else handle it rather than overtly fanning the flames with bad faith accusations. Furthermore, don't contradict others who do try to help on subject with which you are unfamiliar. I assure you, the OTRS team is diverse and competent, and well able to handle a wide variety of issues with professionalism.
You may consider this a warning. Help forums are specifically set aside as friendly places for editors to seek assistance. If you continue to contribute in a way that is counter productive, you will not be the first person I've seen topic banned from contributing to them all together. GMGtalk 14:51, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I explicitly wrote: "Let's talk after you've figured out whats going on.". Yet you ping me already. Wouldn't it be better to give me the benefit of the doubt until you've figured out what's going on instead of jumping in with both feet and fanning the flames like you did? It's not that I don't want to talk to you, I am happy to, but let's do that on a level playing field where both parties know what's up. Poveglia (talk) 14:52, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Our conversation had a bit of a rough start; if you want to we can forget about that and start over. Poveglia (talk) 16:04, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
@Poveglia: The message here is fairly straightforward. You are more than welcome to contribute to our helping forums so long as you contribute in a manner that is helpful. If I see another response like this one Please do not post the same question twice, you are wasting our time (see also here, and feel free to read that essay in its entirety) to an editor who has made all of four edits, yet cannot find their sandbox, then the next correspondence you will received from me will be this one.
It's fine to make mistakes and occasionally get things wrong. Our helpers will be happy to give advice if you do, and contributing to our helping forums is a great way for everyone to learn about Wikipedia, whether they're asking questions or answering them. But you cannot be abrasive. A lot of people have put a lot of work into making these welcoming place for others to seek advice, and that much is non-negotiable. GMGtalk 16:26, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
If it's fine to make mistakes then I'll forgive you. But please, in the future, think twice about doing something like this again. Read, read, read, then act. That'll avoid uncomfortable situations like this. If you ever figure out what's going on then feel free to ping me again, no need to apologize, we'll just start over like nothing happened. Poveglia (talk)

Milhist coordinator election voting has commencedEdit

G'day everyone, voting for the 2019 Wikiproject Military history coordinator tranche is now open. This is a simple approval vote; only "support" votes should be made. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Discovery Park (Chula Vista)Edit

Thank you for the assistance! It's been a stressful couple of days, so it's very nice to meet helpful and courteous people! 6YearsTillRetirement (talk) 15:32, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

No worries 6YearsTillRetirement. Feel free to stop by on my talk page for either project if I can be of any help. GMGtalk 15:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


Ergh, was trying to undo a bad move, and accidentally ran into another editor doing the same thing, so ended up rv'ing the wrong way, if you follow. At which point (of course) my connection decided to lag. Thank you so much for fixing that while I languished in Lag Hell! KillerChihuahua 17:09, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

No worries. I'm usually floating about on some project doing something or other. Furreal though, the warning is automatically left by Twinkle. (That's why there's the little TW next to it in your talk page history.) There is an option to leave no warning, but then everybody gets their knickers in a bunch because WP:CSD requires the nominator to be notified. If you are concerned about BITING, then your beef is with whomever designed Template:Db-vandalism-notice and made it the standard warning Twinkle leaves for G3 nominations. GMGtalk 17:21, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Heh, it's ok. Srsly if he'd just said "ws accidental, was meant for other editor" it would have all been fine. Heaven forfend he not take offense and get bent out of shape about it! I got to offer someone the Barnstar of Bitable Ass, which wasn't on my to-do list today but every day has surprises, doesn't it? KillerChihuahua 17:24, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I...should think to most editors it would have been fairly obvious that it was accidental. This kind of things happens all the time with semi-automated tools, because they're all too stupid to understand page moves. Probably why the other editor was taken aback that they were suddenly getting a lesson plan in basic policy. GMGtalk 17:34, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
Most days, you'd be right. Today, not enough coffee. KillerChihuahua 17:38, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikiproject Military history coordinator election half-way markEdit

G'day everyone, the voting for the XIX Coordinator Tranche is at the halfway mark. The candidates have answered various questions, and you can check them out to see why they are running and decide whether you support them. Project members should vote for any candidates they support by 23:59 (UTC) on 28 September 2018. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:37, 22 September 2019 (UTC)


  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Poveglia (talk) 22:30, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Forensic Art image of Orange SocksEdit

Hi GMG, hope I'm doing this correctly, it's my first time. Re my attempting to change the image in this page: The image I'm trying to add to the page is the one I drew. It is the image that led to the identification of this victim after 40 years of being unidentified. The image that is currently on the page was of no use to the case whatsoever and was not requested by or endorsed by the investigation. Can you advise me please what I need to provide to you in order to make this change? I am one of the investigators at the Williamson County Sheriff's Office Cold Case Unit and can have the Sheriff send a letter allowing this image to be used on the page if you need that beyond my personal permission as the forensic artist and case detective. I also have a better and larger image available than the small one on my website, but don't see how to upload it. I see I can't upload from my computer or from dropbox, you want it from a URL only. Happy to provide the best image possible. Thanks. Blacknatty (talk) 17:00, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Blacknatty. Thanks for following up. So it definitely changes things with the knowledge that you personally are the author, rather than someone just taking the image from online, which is what happens in a lot of these cases.
So the thing to sort out then is whether you own the copyright as the author. Basically, did you sign an employment contract with Williamson County stating that your creative works became their property rather than yours? If the answer is no, then you can release the content under a free license and use it on Wikipedia. You just need to follow the directions at WP:CONSENT and send an email to permissions-en When you send it, you should get an automatic confirmation email with a ticket number. If you can provide that to me here, I can take care of things on the back-end. If you want to use the higher resolution image, you can attach it to the email and I can upload it here too.
Hopefully this helps more than it confuses things. GMGtalk 17:42, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Thank you GMG, I went to the page and it stated you prefer I upload the image via Wikimedia Commons. I have gone through that, which also included a step talking about copyright. I then sent the email re the declaration of intent and received the ticket # Ticket:2019092510007412. I attached the higher res image to the email. Hopefully I did things properly. Thanks so much for your assistance! (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2019 (UTC) (talk) 18:17, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Blacknatty:   Done GMGtalk 19:08, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

It looks the same to me? Blacknatty (talk) 19:57, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

@Blacknatty: On the file's information page, there is a tag referencing the ticket you sent in, that will verify the permission, and should prevent anyone from nominating the image for deletion based on a misunderstanding. GMGtalk 20:01, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

OK thank you. But will the page appearance change? Does the other image get removed and my image added? Blacknatty (talk) 20:05, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry Blacknatty. I misunderstood. No, it doesn't get added to the Wikipedia article automatically, but I've gone ahead and added it there. GMGtalk 20:11, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, GRG. I'm sorry to be persnickety here, but I've had other forensic artists attempt to get credit for the identification on this case and I'm attempting to make it perfectly clear here. Is there some way to separate the two images if you can't delete the other? The color image was done completely without law enforcement request or input, entirely on the artist's own with no interaction with the law enforcement agency several years before the identification. It did not generate any usable leads. My image was released in June 2019. The victim's half sister saw my image and called our agency immediately, saying she believed it was her missing sibling. We did forensic genealogy and a DNA kit confirmed the victim to be that missing half sister Debra Jackson. Since I did this work pro bono, I'd like at least to get credit for the ID. On a case this old, it's kind of a big deal in the forensic art world. Blacknatty (talk) 20:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Blacknatty. Let me look into this a little more in a little bit. I'm afraid I have to run at the moment and I've got a long drive ahead of me. GMGtalk 20:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

OK thanks for all your help today. Blacknatty (talk) 20:53, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey Blacknatty. I changed the image per request, and left a note on the article's talk page about the change. If anyone has a problem with the change, then that would be the correct place to discuss it, and hopefully reach an agreement. I'm glad I could be helpful. I've also left you a message on your talk page with some links about contributing to Wikipedia. I'm glad you're first venture into editing seems to have gone fairly well and I hope you continue to help us build a better encyclopedia. If I can ever be of any assistance, feel free to drop by any time. GMGtalk 00:35, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

GMG - thanks so much for all of this, I certainly didn't expect you to get back to it tonight. I appreciate your attention and openness to making those changes. I'll look into the editing info and see what I can learn there. Wikipedia doesn't have the most user-friendly UI, but you've made it easier than I originally thought it would be. Blacknatty (talk) 01:12, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Dropping byEdit

It seems we have found ourselves in opposite corners on recent issues. I'm sure you know that I have thoroughly read many of your comments, and I know that you have read mine as I see them pop up as diffs occasionally! (Which is fine, I don't believe you are taking me out of context.) But no matter how many discussions we find ourselves in where we come from different perspectives, my main recollection of you is how helpful you were to me in improving a DYK I nominated a while back. So this seemed like a good enough time to say "thank you" again for that. Cheers, 28bytes (talk) 00:45, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey 28bytes. I think there's fairly good evidence to suggest that spirited debate has an important moderating effect on our community over time, and probably prevents us from being one of those communities where everyone agrees, but the stuff they agree about is just fanatical bonkers. But a boxing ring isn't a battlefield, and the difference between opponents and enemies is that one of the two shakes hands when the bell rings.
I'm glad Cynthia García Coll worked out so well. A couple of us have been working on Eagle Woman, and I'm happy to say that RebeccaGreen has done such a fantastically detailed job at the DYK review, that she's dang near done our GA review for us.   GMGtalk 02:30, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Excellent! And that NBER paper looks quite interesting. I will have to give it a read. 28bytes (talk) 02:44, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Incidentally 28bytes. I'm quite pleased to see that the editor who was so discouraged by that review does seem to have come back around now and again, and that's very good news indeed. GMGtalk 03:02, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
I know the help from you and the other editors involved (especially that final, crucial push to the finish line from Gerda) was much appreciated by both of us! 28bytes (talk) 03:12, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Inazuma Eleven Ares logo.pngEdit


Thanks for uploading File:Inazuma Eleven Ares logo.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 02:38, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 September 2019Edit

Bodo peopleEdit

Hie sir! Recently you've reverted complete deletion of History from Bodo people page. It's manipulated version by Editor Bhaskarbhagawati. If you can help then kindly revert it before Bhaskarbhagawati edits. And warn him for manipulating cited content. Bhaskarbhagawati is behaving jealous & personal enemity towards a community in Wikipedia. Kindly teach him some lesson.

Thank you sir . 2402:3A80:DE4:2F2B:45D9:8249:EE0D:25DF (talk) 10:09, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't know what your fued is with this user. I just know you were removing apparently well cited material. GMGtalk 10:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Why you keep talking off the page for Ra Diaz?Edit

? He is a real notable musician, known in the metal/punk scene. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaniKali46 (talkcontribs) 00:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

@DaniKali46: I am moving this thread to GMG's Talk page from my own. Back in 2018, when the article for Ra Diaz was created, GMG redirected a version of the article to the band he was a part of, Suicidal Tendencies, per WP:NOTINHERITED. For the moment, I am questioning the reliability of two of the three sources provided on the article, which has now been moved to draftspace (the Loudwire source seems okay, though it's just a passing mention). If you can find enough WP:SIGCOV about Diaz to satisfy independent notability, then we can justify an article about him. Jalen Folf (talk) 16:59, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


  The Original Barnstar
For stepping up with the only reasoned and reasonable deletion rationale at the Commons lunatic farm in the affair of the "Grandpa has a Ding-a-Ling (for those who care)" deletion debate. You had it right. See: Thanks for being a voice of reason in a place that needs more of it. Carrite (talk) 03:27, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Gee fizz. What a mess that was. I'll admit, while I knew the content was highly immoral, I hadn't figured that it was actually illegal. I suppose they left the most salacious bits out in their uploads. Anyway, there's one office ban nobody's gonna lose any sleep over. GMGtalk 10:09, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Good work. You and Foamboy made this thing [i.e. wikipedia] look almost worth saving. Qwirkle (talk) 15:53, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) - For my own curiosity, can any of you (kindly) link the debate? WBGconverse 07:47, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Grandpa has a Ding-a-Ling (for those who care) by Dr. Michael A Christianson 01.png. Probably a trigger warning in there somewhere. GMGtalk 12:10, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

WikiCon NAEdit

Looks like I'm going to get to go to WikiCon NA again this year. For anybody who's gonna be there, feel free to shoot me an email or something and we can exchange numbers and meet up. GMGtalk 20:30, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

What podcast have you been listening to?Edit

I like a good history podcast. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:50, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: I've been listening to Revolutions. One of my privates recommended it when I told him I listened to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast. I highly recommend them both. GMGtalk 22:22, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
GreenMeansGo, I was wondering if that was it. I've enjoyed the whole podcast and also recommend his book. I am looking forward to his book on Lafeyette. Mike Duncan's page could use some love but it's never been close to the top of the list for me. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:17, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
As far a books, I'm currently reading The Earth Is Weeping by Peter Cozzens and On the Psychology of Military Incompetence by Norman F. Dixon. GMGtalk 00:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

When you have time...Edit

1877 St. Louis general strike I'm ready if you are? Eddie891 Talk Work 21:00, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh yeah. I guess we are most of the way toward a good topic. I wonder whether we should merge/redirect Battle of the Viaduct while we're at it to tidy everything up nicely. At any rate, still need to wrap up Eagle Woman, to get the pending DYK out of the way, and then the GA should be all but a rubber stamp. I've been travelling the past few weeks, and doing it the Army way, which generally involves sleeping in places that weren't meant to be slept in and eating things that are generously described as "legally food". I'm sure I'll have stupid amounts of things on my desk once I get back to the office, but I'm hoping to get back to some Wikipedia work by the end of the week. GMGtalk 13:26, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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