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Not sure because of the header. I hope you are back. —usernamekiran(talk) 10:56, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Nice to see your date stamp. I hope you got some rest on your break. The pedia seems saner when you're watching. BusterD (talk) 00:39, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
I think you are back again... Again :D
Good to see you again :) —usernamekiran(talk) 07:29, 20 December 2019 (UTC)
usernamekiran: It would seem so! Glad to be here and good to see you as well. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 19:04, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Roy Moore sexual misconductEdit

Hi Coffee, thanks for applying the discretionary sanctions to the Roy Moore sexual misconduct article. I had already applied them under the BLP case authority, but the page must have been moved without the page notice again. I’m fine with your sanctions as well since they are the exact same, but I didn’t know what to do. Yours is likely in a clearer subject area, so it might be worth rescinding mine.
Also, you’re probably interested in the parameter conversation at Template talk:Post-1932 American politics discretionary sanctions page restrictions. If you’re still not back, feel free to ignore this, but thought it best to post. All the best, TonyBallioni (talk) 14:37, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back!Edit

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Yes, welcome back, Coffee! You have been missed! Some flowers for you, above. Softlavender (talk) 03:30, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Welcome back! :) Patient Zerotalk 10:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!Edit

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Welcome back, Coffee! Here's some coffee to welcome you back after you get drunk from Ad Orientem's whiskey. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 23:35, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
Yup. Good to see you. GMGtalk 21:18, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
I'm really glad you're back, Coffee. GABgab 16:09, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

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For your work making sure that some of the most contentious areas of Wikipedia run smoothly upon your return. It is appreciated. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:07, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's GreetingsEdit

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Merry HanukkahEdit

Hi Coffee. FYI just because I don't say thanks a lot does not mean I'm not thankful a lot. Cheers. Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:53, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

FYI, there was a long discussion here about how “longstanding content” is handled under discretionary sanctions. It was an interesting discussion. Anythingyouwant (talk) 05:24, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

Happy HolidaysEdit

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From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol

Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail.

So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 00:34, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!Edit

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Merry Christmas!Edit

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Merry ChristmasEdit

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Hello Coffee, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2018.
Happy editing,
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Happy New Year, Coffee!Edit

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Take careEdit

Flower bouquet - panoramio (4381).jpg Get better and get back to your amazing self soon!
I wish you a speedy recovery. Get well soon.  samee  talk 15:47, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@Samee: Thank you very much! The flu is still with me (two 14 hour flights made me catch probably 200 people's germs) but I'm fighting it as much as I can. Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 15:50, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Take rest and have plenty of fluids.  samee  talk 15:53, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks very much...=Edit

...for your kind words, first of all. They're greatly appreciated.

Thanks also for the alert. I don't think I'll have any trouble - most of what I do in that realm is gnome-related work, anyhow - but give me a shout if you catch anything. I do have a tendency, sometimes, to stumble into something without quite meaning to. :-)

Happy editing! --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 17:57, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ser Amantio di Nicolao: I doubt that you will have issues either, being our most prolific contributor in the history of the site! I just always like to make sure all editors/admins/etc are aware of the stuff surrounding certain topics. I'll be sure to let you know if there's any issues, however unlikely that is. Thank you once again for all that you do here. You're someone to look up to! Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 18:04, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
No, that's very wise - always better to be safe than sorry.
And stop it, you're making me blush. :-) And red really isn't my color. --Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa. 18:37, 21 January 2018 (UTC)


...for helping to protect the 2018 Women's March article. Much appreciated! ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:36, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit


You're awesome. Keep up the good work.

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  • Awe... thank you 日本穣! That means a lot coming from you, and I surely needed the good energy after today. どうもありがとう!! Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 22:03, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
    • We all have bad days (whether self-caused or caused by others), so it's good to remember the good in the world. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:04, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
      • Coffee is nothing but a bad influence on people. Just look how many people in the world are overly attached to him. ;-)—CYBERPOWER (Chat) 22:11, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you and your wonderful signature!Edit

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Silly thing, but your signature is one of the most aesthetically pleasing I've come across on enwiki in my many years lurking here. Something about it is just SO satisfying. -- Cheers, Alfie. (Say Hi!) 23:01, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

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I think your work as an admin is consistent and fair. You work in very contentious areas where most editors prefer to avoid and I can only assume most admins would prefer to avoid. You continue to do so while being targeted by a number of editors. This should either have a chilling effect or just be so tiring that you just quit. But you soldier on. This is very commendable. So for what ever this wiki-flare is worth have a Barnstar. -Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 04:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you so much for that Serialjoepsycho! It really means a lot to me that anyone sees what I'm truly trying to do here. Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:21, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Especially for you...Edit

With a bit of a Spanish accent, here are my two sheets because contrary to what you believe, I believe people here (editors) do care about other people's feelings, and understand the stress and time constraints admins are under, and are very well aware that sometimes sheet happens. If nothing else, I hope I've made you smile.:-D Atsme📞📧 16:57, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

How you doing?Edit

Just sending some l-u-v. Fishlandia (talk) 19:08, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

@Fishlandia: Stressed but hanging in there and keeping strong. Such is life I guess... thanks for the positive energy. I hope you're well! Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 21:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
@Fishlandia: I've noticed you doing some work over on Fannie Lou Hamer, would you want to work together at some point and get it ready for/put it through a Good article nomination? I think more great civil rights leaders like her deserve to be displayed on our main page. Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 08:07, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
I'd love to! I'll be back over there this evening or so. Fishlandia (talk) 12:09, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
@Fishlandia: Fantastic! I just transferred all of the issues the last GA reviewer identified to Talk:Fannie Lou Hamer/GA workshop, that way we can keep the integrity of the first review and then renominate it. I'm busy with a lot of admin/WMF work too, but I'll be pushing my time towards getting Ms. Hamer's article up to GA status with y'all as much as I can! (Just noticed @A21sauce: is assisting with this article too!! Very glad to have you on board, this is the most activity I've seen on improving a southern civil rights leader's article in my time here! - There's a couple other articles I'm sure y'all would be interested in helping get to GA too, but we'll talk about those later. Either way, great to see you both care about this.) Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 12:41, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Happy to help;)--A21sauce (talk) 19:31, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!Edit

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg Coffee, meet coffee. Coffee is delicious. Coffee is wonderful. Coffee is steaming hot. Coffee is sweet. Coffee is bitter. Coffee is a guilty pleasure. Coffee warms your heart. Coffee is magical. Whenever you drink coffee, you kiss it.

Coffee. Is coffee.

No seriously, cheers! —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 16:20, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your messages!Edit

Thank you for the message related the the US Presidential Election of 2016 article. I had read the notice and wasn't planning to make more than one revert, but thank you anyways! Also thank you for the welcome, it is a bit belated. :) Academic Ninja (talk) 07:20, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@AcademicNinja: Unfortunately, our recent changes patrollers can get a bit WP:BITEY sometimes, so my apologies for that ... also don't worry about WP:1RR if you're reverting vandalism which this appeared to be. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 07:31, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
@Coffee: No problem, it's okay! I was just a bit confused when you thanked me for my edit and then I got the notice from you. Also, I didn't consider that vandalism, that could have been a good-faith edit by a user who found wrong information.

Thanks for blocking Nefft24Edit

"I am working for Ashinaga" Ah, how could that slip me? I wasn't quite sure about whether I was right to revert after his message, so I just moved on... Thanks for being WP:BOLD and blocking Nefft24 :) Academic Ninja (talk) 08:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

No problem! Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 08:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
After his last unblock appeal (technically just a talkpage messge, but formatting's an uphill struggle for newbies) I'm more than half inclined to lift the block - what's your opinion? Yunshui  14:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Any further thoughts after reading his reply? Yunshui  16:10, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Much obliged. Will keep an eye on their pet project, just to be on the safe side... Yunshui  16:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 17:36, 1 February 2018 (UTC)


Hi, Just to let you know I pinged you at User talk:Albin Schmitt so you could give that editor a 1rr template however they've decided to instantly archive that message instead!, I know we're not on the best of terms but you're the only editor I know who issues it hence the ping, Anyway sorry for that!, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 19:42, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

For future reference the template and instructions is listed here: {{ds/alert}} Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 19:51, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Ah brilliant thank you, I'll dump that in my notes and shant ping again, Many thanks :), –Davey2010Talk 20:13, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Fannie Lou HamerEdit

Thanks so much for your enthusiastic help on this. One thing: I found out more about the deaths of one of her daughters, some information about her mother living with her, and the names of her grandchildren so I will re-start a family section towards the end so that it doesn't bog down the beginning.--A21sauce (talk) 19:59, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

@A21sauce: Fantastic!!! I'm very glad to hear that we can expand on her personal life a bit more. This was one amazingly brave woman! Thank for you're help too! You, Fishlandia, and I are going to get this to GA status in no time at all, at this rate! Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 20:12, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

X1\ HughD sock account.Edit

Coffee, I saw that you blocked X1\ as a sock account. As the person who initiated the investigation I'm no longer certain they are the same person. The writing style is different now that I've read more more and appears to include some non English entries. To the best of my knowledge the investigation hasn't been closed. Given the editor came in with a very good understanding of how Wikipedia works I tend to believe there was a previous account but I have no proof of that. Anyway, I feel I had to let you know in good conscience. Springee (talk) 11:28, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@Springee: A CU had requested admin action, noting technical inconclusiveness. However, the clerk (@QEDK: noted that they were behaviorally the same. I took action on that basis, but as you've laid out some decent doubts here I'll recheck the block immediately. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 15:48, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
@Springee: I'm going to need you to be more specific here. I've placed the block on hold, and from what it appears (from my discussions with them) the clerk read the evidence differently, than you are now. Could you provide some diffs, perhaps, which might highlight the differences you see between the accounts? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 16:47, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Coffee, if the clerks think the editor is a sock then I will trust them. I'm just not as sure based on the way X1\ replied vs the way known HughD socks replied. Basically I started with a hunch then searched for evidence. I'm now not as certain about the hunch that this is HughD (I still suspect this isn't the editor's first account). Sorry, that is wishy washy. I would deffer to the opinions of the clerks. Should this discussion be moved to the investigation page? Springee (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
@Springee: Well for now I'm leaning towards unblocking the account, with this much reasonable doubt appearing to come from you. But part of me is also leaning on waiting for the user to make an unblock request of any form. @TonyBallioni and Black Kite: What are your ideas? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 17:30, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
In looking through the previously confirmed socks, I see enough of a difference that I think unblocking makes sense, especially since the clerk appears to be fine with it at this point. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:46, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
@TonyBallioni, Springee, QEDK, Bbb23, and Black Kite: The block on the account has been eraser Undone. Thank you all for your help in this matter! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 18:02, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

List of cinema halls in ThiruvananthapuramEdit

Hi, This is about the recently merged article List of cinema halls in Thiruvananthapuram. The article was merged with Thiruvananthapuram by creating a new section called 'Film Industry'. This doesn't go with the standardized section contents as in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian cities. So I moved the the section to Culture of Thiruvananthapuram, which seemed more appropriate. But as the result of the discussion was to merge to Thiruvananthapuram, is this okay? AG47 Talk 14:21, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

@AG47: Yes, that should be fine as that is an appropriate sub-page for such a list to reside on. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 16:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! AG47 Talk 17:10, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
You're very welcome. Always feel free to talk to me if you have any further questions or concerns! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 17:14, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

You've got mail!Edit

Hello, Coffee. Please check your email; you've got mail!
Message added 20:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

GABgab 20:29, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Correct hook to choose from, from available hooksEdit

  •  Administrator note: There is no issue in discussing ALT1, ALT3, ALT4, or ALT5... (ALT 6 is another variation of ALT0 that is non-compliant with policy(see WP:BLPDS & WP:ARBAPDS)). Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 05:05, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Feel free to conduct it here if you please:

Are you aroundEdit

Trying to get ahold of you to chat on FB or IRC. You around anywhere? Bastique ☎ call me! 05:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I've replied. Looking into the issue now. Thanks for the heads up! Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 05:49, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

Fannie Lou HamerEdit

Sorry to hear you're down. Hope everything's okay. When you have a chance, I'd love to talk through some issues on this article, specifically, the new section "Bibliography" (We have "Works Cited" and the notes section which form the bibliography in effect so wondered what this was about.) #2: Your notation from the Voices of Democracy series. There's Fannie Lou's quote then the material that the scholars Houck & Parker Brooks come up with and I wondered if you could distinguish each.A21sauce (talk) 20:58, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@A21sauce and Fishlandia: I did some final touches to it today, does it look good enough to push through GAR now? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 12:40, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Deleted page Hannibal (high-rise building)Edit

That page used to be about buildings in Stuttgart, not in Dortmund. It should have been reverted, not deleted :( (talk) 12:54, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

The page has been restored. Primefac (talk) 13:07, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Fannie Lou HamerEdit

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Fannie Lou Hamer you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ritchie333 -- Ritchie333 (talk) 14:20, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Fannie Lou HamerEdit

The article Fannie Lou Hamer you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Fannie Lou Hamer for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ritchie333 -- Ritchie333 (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Fannie Lou HamerEdit

The article Fannie Lou Hamer you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Fannie Lou Hamer for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Ritchie333 -- Ritchie333 (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Ritchie333: Thank you so much! I'm so happy we'll get to put another mostly unheard of, yet extremely prolific, civil rights leader on the main page for DYK! @A21sauce and Fishlandia: I couldn't have done this without your help! Expect a barnstar coming your way! Face-smile.svg Next up, Ralph Abernathy? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:15, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Why not give it a whirl at FAC? Looks promising...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:53, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Just to pick up on one point during the review, it turns out we do have an article on the Life in the United Kingdom test, and it's recently had a load of news coverage as Meghan Markle is a celebrity applicant.[1] Has Jimbo Wales (a US ex-pat in London) looked at it, I wonder? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:06, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ "Quiz: can you pass a British citizenship test?". London Evening Standard. 2 December 2017.
@Casliber: FAC has always intimidated me. Perhaps with a good mentor though I might be willing to consider it at some point... Face-wink.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 13:05, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
I have a recipe on my userpage. I won't lie - occasionally I have fumbled one even after all this time, but if you think you've scraped every last bit of encyclopedic info and it reads ok, which I think this does, it's worth a shot. I am a bit of a slob though so ask someone who has a finer eye for detail than me. I am happy to be alerted if/when you wanna do it and keep an eye/help out/etc. and I reckon Ritchie will too. narrow articles are a helluva lot easier to run through than broad ones....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstarEdit

Yes, a great example of what Wikipedia can do! Since we're on the topic of accolades, I was looking at your badge for the Ten Year Society and wondered if you could nominate me for that as well... Would love one eventually.--A21sauce (talk) 14:49, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Invalid license specified in OTRS templateEdit

Hi. THIS EDIT you made last year specified an invalid value {{ConfirmationOTRS}} for |license=cc4. Note the error message on Talk:Kamnoetvidya Science Academy:

CC BY-SA 4.0 is not a compatible license.

Can you fix it? Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 21:32, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Wbm1058, yes, this caused issues earlier this year that I either had to revdel or I had to decline to restore text. We had it create an error message so OTRS agents would be alerted that CC BY-SA 4.0 is not a compatible license for text with WMF projects. Coffee was not active when we made this change. I think the reason we decided to keep that ticket there when we were reviewing it was because it makes it easier for admins who work in copyright but might not have OTRS access to understand the claims someone is making, and verify if the license is compatible or incompatible. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:36, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Found the conversation here, heh, it was right before I got my bit so I had to rely on Diannaa for that article. Anyway: the reason that I didn't remove it after JJMC89 made it an error was to let admins know what license the text was should someone try to get it restored again. That wasn't discussed there, though. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the background, Tony. You and Coffee are both listed as current OTRS members; I've never had that bit. Can you sort out the status of Kamnoetvidya Science Academy, between yourselves, please? I don't have access to the private OTRS conversations, so wouldn't know whether the license could be changed, or content needs to be removed. Noting that Coffee has been online since my post here, and hasn't responded yet. I shouldn't need to ping an admin on their own talk page. Just want to make sure Coffee didn't assume that Tony was handling it. Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 18:31, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Profanity is permittedEdit

Hey Coffee, #%&^$! /%&@@#! Not against you, of course!

I see you have a nice name. I also see you have nominated a DYK hook. I submitted one on 9 February and it is still unreviewed. Awwwww. Your hook said you didn't do the QPQ yet. Would you consider mine, which is the WestJet Encore article submitted for DYK on 9 February? Vanguard10 (talk) 04:15, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for beginning your review of the February 9 DYK nomination of WestJet Encore. I have added more references to supplement references that are press releases. In some cases, the press release is more authoritative than a news source because reporters are often not too experienced in aviation and/or airlines and get details wrong. Still, I know that Wikipedia tends not to like primary sources so I am complying with this by adding a second reference to some of the sentences that currently have citations.

A few areas are more difficult to get non-primary sources, such as frequent flyer program information. I, myself, think frequent flyer program information is a bit too commercial, but it is an established part of airline articles per Wikiproject Airlines. I have tried to make the WestJet Encore article less of an ad by not having prose that sounds like an advertisement and keeping the frequent flyer section to the minimum.

Would you look at the DYK nomination again to see if it can be approved? Vanguard10 (talk) 04:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vanguard10: I will happily re-review it and let you know. Have you thought about checking on mine, there seems to be some confusion as to the proper understanding of DYK hooks allowed for OTD deaths...? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:33, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Sure. I will look at it. I think it is of the female civil rights leader who used to be a farmer and whose livestock were poisoned because she tried to register to vote. Vanguard10 (talk) 04:41, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I have commented on your DYK nomination. However, I am awaiting a response to whether Alex has started a review or merely made a comment. If Alex is not reviewing it or does not respond in 23 hours, I will review it. On a cursory look, it looks good for an approved DYK nomination. Vanguard10 (talk) 05:11, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
I have started to review it but am not finished with the review. I am sort of a DYK newbie. I am having a little trouble with the copy vio detector. It shows a high percentage, which is not desirable. However, manual review doesn't confirm plagiarism. Would you give me advice on how to evaluate this problem?
I also see in Women's History Encyclopedia, one of the citations used for the original hook, where it reads that no medical consent was obtained for a hysterectomy when she was operated on for a uterine tumor. This makes the source potentially biased, in my opinion. Surgery can sometimes lead to change in surgical plan. For example, if cancer is found, sometimes the surgery is changed so the cancer is removed. This concern over the citation doesn't affect the DYK process, though, as the part supporting the hook appears to be sound.
Another DYK newbie question; does the review recommend a hook, particularly if one of the presented hooks is stronger, appears more interesting, or for other reasons?

Vanguard10 (talk) 06:36, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

On this day, ten years ago...Edit

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Wishing Coffee a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Mz7 (talk) 00:55, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations, Coffee!!! Wow!! Hope all is well and that you'll be with us for another TEN!!! Atsme📞📧 01:14, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Happy, happy 10th!

About the hook (ALT-0), I looked again in the article and in the Nation citation. Are you sure she was beaten for attempting to register to vote? It looks like she was beaten after becoming field secretary for voter registration and welfare programs for the SCLC. Could you modify the hook or let me know that I misread something? I'm writing here because there can be some discussion outside of the DYK hook, in case I'm mistaken. Vanguard10 (talk) 06:11, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Vanguard10: I fixed the hook. I misread this source a bit and conflated the two it seems. The new hook is just as attention grabbing though, and a great fact to state on the main page in my opinion. Anyways, thanks for the help thus far! Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:02, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


Thank you for creating and spearheading the Civil Rights Movement wikiproject. Long overdue, important, and hopefully it will give a platform for more editors to come in and work on the civil rights pages, both historical pages and concept pages (if it includes the pages on nonviolence in the project's scope). Nice work! Randy Kryn (talk) 13:23, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: Thanks! It amazed me that no such project already existed. I hope to get decent participation from folks after I tag all the relevant pages and whatnot. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 13:53, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
It has been mentioned but nobody ever acted on it until you have. It takes someone to give something the push over the hill, and you've done that. There are a few off-and-on regulars on the pages (and there are lots of pages, see the 1950s-1960s CRM template), but I think the key is getting new editors to commit to such a project and add to the pages and data already collected. This could really take off, and maybe get the main CRM page in some kind of good shape (I've hesitated working full-tilt on it, as I'm fairly biased on one viewpoint of "how-it-went-down"). If I was one of the editors who threw around barnstars I'd toss a few your way for creating and already working on this project. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:09, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
Great stuff, thanks very much. I well remember marching with King at Selma. Doug Weller talk 14:12, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
o_O GMGtalk 14:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)


I have a list of articles (existing and need to be created) connected to the Civil Rights Movement listed at User:Mitchumch/Movement templates#Civil Rights Movement. I thought it might be something that might interest you. Keep up the good work. Mitchumch (talk) 06:47, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Mitchumch: Thank you! Face-smile.svg I have added your list to the project's to do list. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)


I often tend to do things like this. Well not exactly like that example, but silly things in general. I have been trying to avoid this since a long time, but sometimes or others it just happens. Sometimes I even talk with DumbBOT. Once I was even involved in an edit war with AIV helper bot :-|
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Julia StephenEdit

Thank you for all your hard work, and also for your prompt review. You caught me off guard, because the backlog suggested I had seven months to tidy up the page! If you have any suggestions about taking this to FAC they would be greatly appreciated. Not surprisingly, in the course of the review process I became aware of a number of issues, and was able to fix them. Michael Goodyear (talk) 09:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

@Michael Goodyear: Thank you for your even harder work improving and writing the article, it was my pleasure to help. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Billy GrahamEdit

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DYK nomination of And the Walls Came Tumbling DownEdit

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Sorry for the delayEdit

Apologies. I saw your question when it was posted but haven't been able to respond to it yet. Will do so before evening today. Warmly, Lourdes 09:30, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:The National MemoEdit

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DYK for White America, Inc.Edit

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DYK for J. Charles JonesEdit

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Project and category page movesEdit

I know you're on capitalization campaign, but it would be best not to carry it into project and category names unless you've succeeded in the RM discussion first. I reverted the Wikiproject rename, and suggest you undo the category changes, too. Dicklyon (talk) 05:48, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I misread the history on the project page. It's the categories that you've been moving that should be fixed. You can call the project anything you want, I suppose, if you created it. Dicklyon (talk) 06:09, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

@Dicklyon: (edit conflict) I have reverted your change per WP:BRD as I created that WikiProject and you did not open an WP:RM. I swear to God if you try to rename a project I created and have put hours of work writing articles for... I will be finished with this site and you can sit around enjoying your god damn informal noun for a project you never created and aren't even a listed participant of. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:11, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
@Dicklyon: Can you explain to me why this is so extraordinarily important to you that you had to stress me out on a Sunday night? And why it's so important at all that you use an informal noun to refer to formal things? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:16, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I edit at all strange hours – enjoy the rest of your weekend, and think about it tomorrow. Just doing my usual style gnoming thing. Dicklyon (talk) 06:29, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
@Dicklyon: You didn't answer my second question. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 21:40, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
@Dicklyon: You post on my talkpage below but still fail to answer my question... Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:11, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Fannie Lou HamerEdit

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Bruce HartfordEdit

I contacted Bruce Hartford at User talk:Brucehartford, and he asked if the project would like to write up and email him a letter it would be forwarded to other members of Civil Rights Movement Veterans and may reach people interested in joining the WikiProject. Please have a look at the conversation, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:30, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Please resend your email for me to forward to other Civil Rights Movement veterans inviting them to join the WikiProject? I somehow lost it. Please send it as an email to, it will be much easier for me to handle that way. Thanks. Brucehartford (talk) 18:49, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi there. For when you get back... Since you blocked this IP in the past, perhaps you'd like to take a look at their most recent edits. Pretty clearly WP:NOTHERE, in my view. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 20:32, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

One of my tps want to handle this? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 21:13, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) It's a generic shared IP, very sporadic history, two edits in the last six months, no warnings for a year, no serious block log. I don't think any admin would block for any length (if at all) at AIV. Unless they repeat the event in the next day or so, this can wait until you get back, IMO. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:44, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
Oops, I seem to have edit-conflicted with the comment above; @Zzuuzz: I'm not sure if you intended to remove that comment or not, if you did then I apologize for restoring it. I see nothing constructive coming out of that IP in more than the last year, and it seems clear from their last edits before being blocked in February 2017 that the address is not dynamic, or it's been assigned to the same user for a very long time. Coffee, I am curious why you blocked them for 3 months but then unblocked right away? Not that it matters in my decision to block, I'm just curious. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:55, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
I believe it was due to the low edit-count, but I'm not entirely certain. Face-smile.svg Thank you for handling this matter! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 22:00, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2018).


Administrator changes

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removed AngelOfSadnessBhadaniChris 73CorenFridayMidomMike V
dagger Lourdes has requested that her admin rights be temporarily removed, pending her return from travel.

Guideline and policy news

  • The autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) is scheduled to end on 14 March 2018. The results of the research collected can be read on Meta Wiki.
  • Community ban discussions must now stay open for at least 24 hours prior to being closed.
  • A change to the administrator inactivity policy has been proposed. Under the proposal, if an administrator has not used their admin tools for a period of five years and is subsequently desysopped for inactivity, the administrator would have to file a new RfA in order to regain the tools.
  • A change to the banning policy has been proposed which would specify conditions under which a repeat sockmaster may be considered de facto banned, reducing the need to start a community ban discussion for these users.

Technical news

  • CheckUsers are now able to view private data such as IP addresses from the edit filter log, e.g. when the filter prevents a user from creating an account. Previously, this information was unavailable to CheckUsers because access to it could not be logged.
  • The edit filter has a new feature contains_all that edit filter managers may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string.



  • Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Wikipedia in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.

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Bots Newsletter, March 2018Edit

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SNCC Shaw conference obsessingEdit

Should we tell this person to start a separate article, or just to go away? - GPRamirez5 (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2018 (UTC)


Miriam Makeba
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4 March 1932 – 9 November 2008

Thought of you, with thanks, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

What an a amazing woman, thank you for sharing on her birthdate. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:31, 8 March 2018 (UTC)


Hi Coffee. This is a courtesy note to let you know that I have closed a requested move/request for comment you initiated, which is now at Talk:Civil_rights_movement#Requested_move_18_February_2018. Regards, Fish+Karate 12:49, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Movement for Democratic Change – TsvangiraiEdit

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Your GA nomination of Ralph AbernathyEdit

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I have completed my initial review of the article. I see that you are currently away for an undefined period of time and will on March 22 move to putting the GA Review on hold. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:26, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

American politics discretionary sanctionsEdit


  1. 24 May 2017, 25 May 2017, and 21 June 2017 – Material is added to the lead section.
  2. 19 September 2017 – The material is moved out of the lead and into a separate section
  3. 21 September 2017 – The material is removed with an edit summary "Dropped WP:SYNTH. See incoming talk page comment."
  4. 11 March 2018 – The material is restored with fraudulent edit summary "Reverting unexplained content removal".

According to WP:DSLOG, the article was placed under 1RR/consensus required restriction on 18 December 2017. A talk page discussion shows that there was a unanimous support for removing the Manchester bombing material, at least. Was the last edit (­#4) made in violation of "consensus required" page restriction?

Separately, on 18 December 2017, you placed Timeline of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections under 1RR/consensus required restriction. Could you also add an appropriate talk page template to the talk page? Politrukki (talk) 13:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United KingdomEdit

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Michelle McNamara deletion and redirection reconsiderationEdit

Hi there! In the initial deletion review there was mention that Michelle McNamara had not done much substantial work herself, but was mostly talked about in relation to her famous husband. The page was marked a deletion and redirect to her husband's, Patton Oswalt. Since then her book, I'll be Gone in the Dark, was published. Thanks for considering. Mvocab (talk) 23:22, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Murder of Harry and Harriette MooreEdit

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Your GA nomination of Ralph AbernathyEdit

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DYK for And the Walls Came Tumbling DownEdit

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Please comment on Talk:National Rifle AssociationEdit

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Share your experience and feedback as a Wikimedian in this global surveyEdit

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Precious anniversaryEdit

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Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Four years now, - miss you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Murder of Harry and Harriette MooreEdit

Updated DYK query.svgOn 2 April 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Murder of Harry and Harriette Moore, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Harry T. Moore and his wife Harriette were the first martyrs and only married couple to be assassinated (bombed house pictured) during the civil rights movement? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Murder of Harry and Harriette Moore. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Murder of Harry and Harriette Moore), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Administrators' newsletter – April 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2018).


Administrator changes

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removed Gogo DodoPb30SebastiankesselSeicerSoLando

Guideline and policy news

  • Administrators who have been desysopped due to inactivity are now required to have performed at least one (logged) administrative action in the past 5 years in order to qualify for a resysop without going through a new RfA.
  • Editors who have been found to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block, for whatever reason, are now automatically considered banned by the community without the need to start a ban discussion.
  • The notability guideline for organizations and companies has been substantially rewritten following the closure of this request for comment. Among the changes, the guideline more clearly defines the sourcing requirements needed for organizations and companies to be considered notable.
  • The six-month autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) ended on 14 March 2018. The post-trial research report has been published. A request for comment is now underway to determine whether the restrictions from ACTRIAL should be implemented permanently.

Technical news


  • The Arbitration Committee is considering a change to the discretionary sanctions procedures which would require an editor to appeal a sanction to the community at WP:AE or WP:AN prior to appealing directly to the Arbitration Committee at WP:ARCA.


  • A discussion has closed which concluded that administrators are not required to enable email, though many editors suggested doing so as a matter of best practice.
  • The Foundations' Anti-Harassment Tools team has released the Interaction Timeline. This shows a chronologic history for two users on pages where they have both made edits, which may be helpful in identifying sockpuppetry and investigating editing disputes.

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Abernathy thesisEdit

...and, you're back! At least for now. I'll find the date of the Abernathy thesis and add it back in (memories, I was the first researcher to reference the thesis, being given a copy by an acquaintance and then checking with Abernathy to make sure it was real, and later Garrow, who hadn't heard of it, asked me for a copy which he used, with Abernathy's permission, in his 1989 volumes. Haven't mentioned this discovery and publication circle in many moons.) There has been much commotion and a gallant and efficient defense by Mitchumch on the project page. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:42, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn: At least for the time being, I have a lot of real life things going on at the moment, but I wanted to get this GAR done. I plan to be back in the thick of the project in a couple weeks time. Many thanks to @Mitchumch: and yourself for holding the fort down while I'm busy elsewhere! As far as the thesis thing... I figured it was a legitimate claim, the only issue was that the lack of a source was one of the factors holding up the GAR... if you find a source don't hesitate to add it back in. - P.S. Good to see you! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 16:19, 3 April 2018 (UTC)


In the ongoing discussion at Wings of Glory talk page he has been asked to remove his close and reopen the discussion. Wings is not an administrator and has made a huge decision on his own (Fish&Karate did not post on the page as a 'seconding' of the close, although his name was placed there). This is confusing at the moment, so maybe before taking it further it should both be sorted out and worded very well. A yikes type of decision. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:48, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

The decision was reversed on the project's name, which is back to upper-case. Hopefully the portal decision will also have review and reversal at some point in the process. Congrats on the Abernathy GA. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:47, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ralph AbernathyEdit

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Please comment on Talk:Doug Ford Jr.Edit

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11 years of editing, today.Edit

Balloons-aj.svg Hey, Coffee. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee!
Have a great day!
Chris Troutman (talk) 06:27, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
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Joining the choir to sing praises. My initials stand for Good articles, and it's lovely to see them coming! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

@Chris troutman and Gerda Arendt: Thank you so much guys! That means a lot! <3 Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 07:13, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Many congrats Coffee. Ah 2007 those were simpler times weren't they. Just kidding. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 07:15, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
It was lovely. Miss you already. Take your time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK reviewEdit

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Bummer. Just when things were taking off on the WikiProject, after some obstruction and logs-in-the-road. But wikibreaks are good, and I hope that after not being here becomes as habit-forming as being here, at some point you'll be looking up something on Wikipedia, see an easily correctable but major mistake, and grab your tool belt again. Good luck, and only the best wishes for someone I've only met in the past couple of months but have found to be full of caring and integrity towards the correct depiction of history that Wikipedians accept responsibility for. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:38, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I second that. Best of luck Coffee. Mitchumch (talk) 16:55, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Coffee, I haven't followed whatever drama has driven you off but I wish you the best in your real life. ~Awilley (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Best wishes on your retirementEdit

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For your years of tireless service. Ad Orientem (talk) 16:41, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to see you leave and I hope you will be back after you have taken some time off. I know the place can get stressful. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:41, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

We lose more and more of the old guard every month. Some just from tiring of the grind that is wikipedia, and some because the goalposts have moved with how the encyclopedia was being built and how administration handled things in days past. Little appreciation with the hours put in when compared to new editors who run roughshod with no scruples at all, and seemingly little care from higher-ups in how to deal with them. And it's the articles that also suffer because of this. These newer editors that survive will someday be older editors, who will be shocked that they aren't listened to by a newer and even more changed group of peers (and not for the better). A very tough environment to wade through today. I hope you make it back Coffee. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:31, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry to see you go. "Don't take everything so personally" is my advice to you. I hope will you reconsider your retirement and do return to the project.– Gilliam (talk) 09:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Your blockEdit

Boldly closing this as it is not benefitting anyone. Those calling for de-sysop know where to go. Those dredging up old grievances also know where to go.- MrX 🖋 19:07, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


I have removed your block. I do not know the circumstances behind your decision to leave or block yourself, but all blocks must have a policy reason for the block. I'm sorry you felt the need to leave, and I hope you eventually come back once feelings have cooled down. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:02, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

WP:SELFBLOCK is permitted on the blocking policy page. ~Awilley (talk) 21:26, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
That's my understanding as well, although I do hope Coffee decides to come back.- MrX 🖋 21:33, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
He did block himself, and I unblocked him as there as no valid policy reason for the block to be indefinite. If he doesn't want to come back, he doesn't have to, but having an indefinite block with no solid policy reason for it is ridiculous. Also, WP:SELFBLOCK states that "Typically, such requests are declined." The block is in the log now, so there's no reason for it to continue. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:16, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
I wish you well, Coffee...we all need a break from the drudgery once in a while. I remain confident that you will survive the storm ☈ that hovers overhead, and will return to WP refreshed and ready to go. In the interim, you will be missed. Atsme📞📧 23:51, 6 April 2018 (UTC)
Nihonjoe, You should have simply let it be. His self-block wasn't hurting you or the encyclopedia. From where I stand, it looks like rubbing salt in a wound.- MrX 🖋 00:18, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
@MrX: Well, we obviously disagree. Coffee blocked himself in a moment of anger, with no rational or valid reason for doing so. His blocking comment makes that perfectly clear. Unblocking him doesn't "rub salt" in any wound any more than leaving the block in place assuages it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:29, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Anyone getting a bit of déjà vu here ? .... Didn't all this happen in February ? ..., This'll happen every month unless someone goes to Arbcom and puts a stop to it. –Davey2010Talk 00:34, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
No, this seems a different set of circumstances. Coffee came back and spent many hours organizing the WikiProject:Civil Rights Movement and the portal. He spent his editing time there, within that project, by creating and improving articles and bringing them up to "good" status. During most of this, and more recently with RM's, an editor or two have tried to put obstacles in the way of the energy and enthusiasm Coffee put into this work. That could be draining, and although Coffee says he needs a break from Wikipedia maybe he just needs to be left in peace for a few weeks or months to regain the interest to further his work here. Arbcom? I'm new to the Coffee saga, but this editor apparently has ruffled some feathers here and there. His leaving wasn't about that. He was trying to do something very good, and succeeding, and then had enough of the counter-effort for awhile. Hopefully he is climbing a tree somewhere, or skipping rocks in a river. It's spring, and there is a lot to experience off site, and he, after giving many years of service here, may feel like taking in a wider range of "more" for awhile. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:58, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Sorry I have to respectfully disagree - Someone disagrees with what he does or says, He doesn't like that - He gets in a temper/upset- He leaves for a month - He comes back supposedly as this reformed character - Someone disagrees with what he does or says - and then it all starts over again, It happened in February, I believe it happened in January and December and guess what - It's happening now,
Unrelated question but who climbs trees ? ...... Maybe he's had enough of being a human and wants to be an orangutan who knows. –Davey2010Talk 01:17, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
You don't climb trees? What kind of great ape are you? Coffee is volatile, so what, he gets things done. The climbing trees thing is a way of saying that enjoying nature is one way to take a wikibreak. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:22, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
A lazy one apparently Face-grin.svg, Actually I attempted to climb one when I was a child ..... but then wimped out .... and then watched my friend being stuck in said tree and having to jump from quite a height .... See not climbing trees is a good thing :), –Davey2010Talk 02:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
  • I'll play bad cop. There's clearly a pattern of conduct un-becoming of an admin here. If Coffee returns (and I hope he does), he should seriously consider resigning as an administrator before ARBCOM becomes involved. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:04, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
I emphatically second that, including the hope he'll return, but only if he resigns adminship. Coffee clearly has much to contribute – witness his work on civil rights topics – but there's something about admin work that makes him lose his cool. He'd be happier, and could better serve the encyclopedia, if he just gives that up and doesn't look back. EEng 04:00, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
I'd prefer him resigning but that won't happen hence my Arbcom comment. –Davey2010Talk 04:04, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Thirded. This retirement smacks of avoiding the near-inevitable desysopping that his misuse of admin tools and hysterical behaviour was going to incur. I would suggest desysopping him anyway - either a) he’s never coming back (doubt it), in which case the account does not need administrative privileges, or b) he does come back, in which case the account should not have administrative privileges, as his behaviour amply demonstrates. I try and stay away from this sort of nonsense but I am baffled how someone with such a short fuse, ownership issues, and disregard for others got to become, and then to remain, an admin. One post politely querying an action and I got a wholly undeserved tirade. Fish+Karate 05:47, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
I've asked at WP:BN whether Coffee's actions/statements here can be considered a voluntary resignation. power~enwiki (π, ν) 13:23, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I rarely comment on drama-infused incidents but I can't help but notice this has happened more than once. That's not what bothers me in this case, though. The fact that both the block log and the retirement tagging summaries are practically personal attacks is completely unbecoming of an administrator. If he decides to come back again, I sincerely hope he is able to improve his ability to keep his cool under pressure and/or do a confirmation RfA/recall. It's disappointing that such a once-enthusiastic editor has retired because I think they still care about the project and can contribute constructively in many areas, just not in an administrative sense. Anarchyte (work | talk) 13:26, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
If Coffee decides to return we can continue this discussion. Until that time we should probably allow him to rest in peace. ~Awilley (talk) 16:41, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Awilley - Whilst I can understand adminship is stressful at the best of times if he cannot hack it then he shouldn't be one (This is not a one off but instead a growing pattern).... He returned a whole 10 HOURS later to re-indef himself ..... To me that alone speaks volumes, Without commenting on his private life and all that I feel him not being an admin would IMHO do him the world of good, Whether its Arbcom, BN, or himself-resignation IMHO something should be done even if it's a temporary thing, But I agree on your last part we should all give him some space for a bit. –Davey2010Talk 17:57, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
Wish you back. O1lI0 (talk) 06:08, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

This all seems a beautiful exercise in Anarchy from every angle from everyone involved. If this new ban is just simply not good enough a reason for a ban then unban him but reban indefinitely him for abusing his admin tools until such time as he addresses the matter with the arbitration committee.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 17:08, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

SMirC-puke.svg I think people have talked enough; I wish they'd stop. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:21, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2018).


Administrator changes

added None
removed ChochopkCoffeeGryffindorJimpKnowledge SeekerLankiveilPeridonRjd0060

Guideline and policy news

  • The ability to create articles directly in mainspace is now indefinitely restricted to autoconfirmed users.
  • A proposal is being discussed which would create a new "event coordinator" right that would allow users to temporarily add the "confirmed" flag to new user accounts and to create many new user accounts without being hindered by a rate limit.

Technical news

  • AbuseFilter has received numerous improvements, including an OOUI overhaul, syntax highlighting, ability to search existing filters, and a few new functions. In particular, the search feature can be used to ensure there aren't existing filters for what you need, and the new equals_to_any function can be used when checking multiple namespaces. One major upcoming change is the ability to see which filters are the slowest. This information is currently only available to those with access to Logstash.
  • When blocking anonymous users, a cookie will be applied that reloads the block if the user changes their IP. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. This currently only occurs when hard-blocking accounts.
  • The block notice shown on mobile will soon be more informative and point users to a help page on how to request an unblock, just as it currently does on desktop.
  • There will soon be a calendar widget at Special:Block, making it easier to set expiries for a specific date and time.



  • Lankiveil (Craig Franklin) passed away in mid-April. Lankiveil joined Wikipedia on 12 August 2004 and became an administrator on 31 August 2008. During his time with the Wikimedia community, Lankiveil served as an oversighter for the English Wikipedia and as president of Wikimedia Australia.

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Someday (I hope)Edit

I'd have emailed this, but you have email disabled. If you ever want to come back, feel free to email me at SQLQuery me! 04:44, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Ralph AbernathyEdit

Updated DYK query.svgOn 4 May 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ralph Abernathy, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ralph Abernathy (pictured), mentor and friend of Martin Luther King Jr., led a demonstration protesting the use of federal funds for the Apollo 11 project when many Americans lived in poverty? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ralph Abernathy. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ralph Abernathy), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2018Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2018).


Administrator changes

added None
removed Al Ameer sonAliveFreeHappyCenariumLupoMichaelBillington

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • IP-based cookie blocks should be deployed to English Wikipedia in June. This will cause the block of a logged-out user to be reloaded if they change IPs. This means in most cases, you may no longer need to do /64 range blocks on residential IPv6 addresses in order to effectively block the end user. It will also help combat abuse from IP hoppers in general. For the time being, it only affects users of the desktop interface.
  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Anti-Harassment Tools team will build granular types of blocks in 2018 (e.g. a block from uploading or editing specific pages, categories, or namespaces, as opposed to a full-site block). Feedback on the concept may be left at the talk page.
  • There is now a checkbox on Special:ListUsers to let you see only users in temporary user groups.
  • It is now easier for blocked mobile users to see why they were blocked.


  • A recent technical issue with the Arbitration Committee's spam filter inadvertently caused all messages sent to the committee through Wikipedia (i.e. Special:EmailUser/Arbitration Committee) to be discarded. If you attempted to send an email to the Arbitration Committee via Wikipedia between May 16 and May 31, your message was not received and you are encouraged to resend it. Messages sent outside of these dates or directly to the Arbitration Committee email address were not affected by this issue.


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Lebanon ECP AE reviewEdit

Hi Coffee, I know you're not active, but I'm posting this here since I've asked that the community review Lebanon at AN [1]. This doesn't have anything to do with your particular actions, but is because a recent AE determined that Jordan as a whole didn't fall in the restriction. I hope all is well with you in real life. TBallioni (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Added to Missing WikipediansEdit

Wikipedia:Missing_Wikipedians#C You are missed! Λυδαcιτγ 08:05, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!Edit

Cup-o-coffee-simple.svg This seemed appropriate and the least I can do for you. I tend to come and go, but I've always immensely enjoyed working with you and wanted to thank you for your work.

There are countless editors and even more readers who will never know the years of tireless service and effort you put into making this a better place. For that, thank you. I (selfishly) hope you come back, but regardless of where you go or decide to do, wish you nothing but the best. Mifter (talk) 03:10, 20 November 2018 (UTC)


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Die Zeit, die Tag und Jahre macht

Happy 2019 -

begin it with music and memories

Miss you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:12, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Black and wellEdit

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Unita Blackwell

Thank you for the article! Miss you. - I wanted to nominate for the Main page, but someone beat me to it. I hope that she will receive the attention she deserves. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Are you back?Edit

I don't want to be premature but I just noticed your self block was lifted. I hope that means you're back! Liz Read! Talk! 04:22, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

!? EvergreenFir (talk) 04:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
!! SQLQuery me! 04:51, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Well after that much suspense I feel it necessary to say... yes! And hoping/trying for a more amicable experience this time around. But, I couldn't keep looking at glaring errors in articles and letting them stay there. So here I am again, back at my home on the internet. Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 05:02, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Welcome back! EvergreenFir (talk) 05:47, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Welcome back Coffee!! Face-smile.svg --TheSandDoctor Talk 07:32, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
My favourite morning ritual has returned. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 16:16, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Great news! singing praises! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Yay! Randy Kryn (talk) 20:08, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Welcome back buddy! I was just thinking about our late night chats we used to have on teamspeak last week. We should catch up sometime soon :) --Cameron11598 (Talk) 16:33, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

It's good to have you back ☕️! - MrX 🖋 16:39, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Welcome back! Aνδρέας talk | contributions 23:39, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

❤️ -- a they/them | argue | contribs 18:32, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you all for the warm wishes! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)


@Steven Crossin: I am definitely still far too skinny... but if I eat KFC I may have more to worry about than low body fat. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:33, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Volunteer to change my usernameEdit

Hi Coffee, I would like to offer you the option to ask that I change my username. If you believe it is going to be an issue, I'm totally willing to change. Age before beauty Face-smile.svg. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 14:30, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

@Coffeeandcrumbs: I had been thinking of changing mine to add some distinction, but now that you ask, I think that would be very nice of you! Have any ideas for what you're going to go with? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 20:45, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to renege but I am thinking that changing my signature maybe enough. The way my signature appears is the biggest issue. Looking deeper into it, changing my username is more difficult than I initially thought. I was think of changing my signature to
C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs)
I think that is enough to differentiate us. I never plan to create a user page so my name is always going to be red in the revision history. --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 21:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
@Coffeeandcrumbs:: That seems like a reasonable choice. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 21:07, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Good thanks and WELCOME BACK! --- C&C (Coffeeandcrumbs) 21:16, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Giving thanksEdit

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Cassia javanica, Torremolinos
... with thanks from QAI

Thank you for returning! I still plan to translate Unita Blackwell to German ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:58, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

That would be simply wonderful of you! Danke schön. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 18:19, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
An exception ;) - normally, when I miss a user (left, banned, died) I translate one of their articles to German. For example: de:Grace Sherwood, de:Trommelralle, de:Emma Ayres. In this case, I still plan it, - not word by word, but at least something. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Der Ring in Minden finally appeared today, - my opera experience of the year. Part of the hook, "... to listen to the music at the end", would be a good motto ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I've yet to attend an opera in person, so my motto would have to be to just listen to the music. Face-wink.svg Seems like it was a great performance! Maybe one of these days I'll finally push myself to do something new and go enjoy one. Good to see it on the main page. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:19, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Many thanks for your thank you concerning my edit on the Charles H. Mahoney article. Many thanks also for your editing with Wikipedia. I agree with your statement that you can not retire from editing Wikipedia. I feel the same way. Again my thanks, best wishes, and greetings to you. RFD (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@RFD: I had searched high and low for Mahoney's birth date, so I was quite pleased to see someone was knowledgeable enough to find it! Many thanks, and yes this site's purpose is just too big for me to stop being drawn back into it. I imagine it's the same for you. Good to meet you officially, although it seems we've probably edited some of the same areas in the past 12+ years haha... Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 16:23, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!Edit

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg Glad to see you back. Wikipedia was missing your good work. DBigXray 08:27, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Thank you DBigXray! It's great to be back and helping out again! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:54, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Sister city external linksEdit

Hey Mr/s Coffee -- thanks for explaining what happened on the edits of the CA Sister Cities page. As you surmise, or presumably just see, I'm brand new here and have no idea how to do this properly. In truth, I was asked to help a slightly less computer-enabled friend than I to help so I cannot even say this is a project with my own belly-fire. But neither of us wants to do the wrong thing, so I appreciate some help. The page has or had a caution about there being insufficient referencing going on and for sure the list of sister cities was woefully out of date. We were trying to correct that problem and thought linking to the information by city of its Sister-cities would be sensible. Seems not.... so how would be better to do this -- via numbered footnotes perhaps? If that would be preferable, I'm more than happy to fix it, with apologies.

If so - or even if not, would it be possible to revert the reversion so as not to lose lots of the other fiddly fixes I made updating the list? Including spaces here and there, and removing cities that were no longer current and adding those that were and making more systematic across the list references to country-names, and fixing broken links; that sort of thing? I can see how your fixes of all that small fiddly work of mine would have driven you nuts. But I'm thinking the fastest way forward please is to put it all back for now so that I can then fix according to protocol per your instructions the best way to externally reference by City please. This would save a lot of time with the rest of the list-updates.

Thank you!

Aliris19 (talk) 06:52, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

@Aliris19: I have things to attend to in real life today that will prevent me from responding fully to this yet. I will read this over and reply as soon as I'm able though! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 08:14, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@Coffee: Thanks, no hurry and thanks for the kind interim response (I was surprised to find anything at all!) (cool, I'm starting to get some control of this. It took me forever just to figure out how to make a single response and here I am piping an address straight to you...) Aliris19 (talk) 10:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@Coffee: BTW, one thought how to do this - and it's really great that there are folks around who care with whom to discuss this ... At least one, maybe two Cities were no longer "sisters" and I just deleted reference to them but ... maybe it makes sense to add a indented section underneath a City heading labelled "former" or some-such, and just move the no longer current City's name there? So as not to lose the information of that former status but of course remain current? In this vein of indented "subheadings", when you reverted out all the changes, you likely lost an example of this for the first City, Alhambra I think it is, that had similar but different "Friendship City" status and a different sort too -- forget its type. I thought the indentation was a wise way of handling this but perhaps there's some different protocol? There was a second subheading. Aliris19 (talk) 10:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
@Aliris19: As to your original concern: Yes I would be happy to revert back to where you had it, as long as you're willing to put in the work necessary to replace the external section links with the original internal ones. After that, take a look at WP:HOWTOCITE to see how to re-add the links as references for any data changes you need to make. As to your other concerns about which cities to list (former or just present), I would say the best place to ask that question is on the article's talk page. There might not be an immediate response, and if there isn't one any discussion in a few days time then I would advise being WP:BOLD and making changes using some of the ideas you came up with here (indentation and perhaps specific notation). I hope that this is a good resolution for you, I will go ahead and do the re-revert now so that you can get to fixing the section titles! Thanks for your understanding! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:37, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
@Coffee: Thank you so much! I will get right on the proper referencing technique and fix up this page today. Only correction I'd make to your comments above is to say I will read the page you reference *before* re-starting, lol! Apologies for the blunder.
And ¡oh! I get it now... can I ask a couple referencing questions here or is this the wrong place? I'll move it if I have the location of the question wrong. (1) is it best practice always to leave the date retrieved in the code? (seems reasonable; why not?) (2) is it best practice to archive in the waybackmachine any url you assert? (Just noting the retrieval date wouldn't assure its existence downstream). TIA Aliris19 (talk) 19:56, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
@Aliris19: Yes, and yes! Although those practices are not required (well nothing is as we're volunteers here), they are highly appreciated by the community when followed. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 08:01, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
@Coffee: Thanks, Coffee. Does the page look OK to you now please? TIA (I'll update with the removed cities anon and archive everything on slow time). Aliris19 (talk) 19:41, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
@Aliris19: Almost... The issue now is that you put the references in the section headers. Where you actually want to put those is after the relevant data in the sections (feel free to use the references more than once too, but if you do that replace the opening <ref> tag with a <ref name="X"> tag before the first use of the reference, and instead of typing out the full reference every time after that, where you use it simply use <ref name="X"/> (obviously replacing X with each different ref name you want to come up with). If you need any more info on how to do that, take a look at WP:REFNAME. You can also use those as references along with the other inline refs already being in the sections just fine (we don't have an issue with double references). My apologies if I didn't give clear enough instruction at first. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 20:20, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
@Coffee: Thanks -- no, no not that it wasn't clear-enough. I really just don't quite see the vision as you do though it's coming. I'll fix this asap but I'm overwhelmed here at the moment. Hope to get to it in the next 24 hours. Thanks for your patience and sorry for the dufus-ing. Aliris19 (talk) 04:41, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
@Coffee: Thanks for your time discussing; hope you don't mind doing so here. So there are two different 'sorts' of references, a generic one to the collection of a CA cities' sister-cities, and a specific one for each sister-city. The way it's setup currently is the specific sister-city is listed and externally linked. And the CA sister-city is getting that generic external link. You're saying that generic link should go elsewhere, but where? The subsetted specific sister-cities already have their specific link, where to put the general one for the reciprocal CA sister-city if not where it's listed, at the header? tia. Aliris19 (talk) 23:23, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

U.S. Space ForceEdit

Just wanted to quickly explain my revert on the United States Space Force page. The BLUF is that the intent of the text is to mirror the text used on the other services pages. Also in the United States service chiefs and service secretaries don’t maintain operational control of their service components when given to combatant commands – instead that’s done from the SECDEF down to the combatant commanders. Garuda28 (talk) 06:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

I just realized your a retired Airman, so you already get everything I just said. The short version is that they text was copied from the USAF page. If you’ve got a better way to say it, I’m all ears. Garuda28 (talk) 06:34, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Garuda28: First of all, that's not how WP:BRD works. So, I would be much more appreciative if in the future you followed that procedure. Second, as a representation of how this isn't entirely how the command structure will work, here is the quote from the Department of the Air Force (the overseeing authority of USSF I might add) article's lead: By direction of the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of the Air Force assigns Air Force units – apart from those units performing duties enumerated in 10 U.S.C. § 8013 unless otherwise directed – to the combatant commands. Only the Secretary of Defense and the President have the authority to approve transfer of forces between combatant commands. So while there is some argument to be made that operational authority will be delegated to combatant commands (by the SECAF), the wording you've used appears to make it seem that the USSF/USAF heads won't have any authority over their own people, which is simply not how this works (speaking from literal experience). So while, yes, the combatant commanders will have direct day to day authority over their members, and the USSF and SECAF retain administrative authority (and are part of the original assignment process)... it's important to remember that authority is delegated (as the members of the combatant commands still belong to their particular branches, and can still face non-judicial punishment and the like from their branch heads [an unlikely but still possible event] as well as the combatant commanders). So, I guess the easiest way I see to fix this is to say that the combatant commands will be given operational command authority, while the CSO/SECAF will retain administrative authority as directed by the President and Secretary of Defense. Does that sound like a workable solution? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:50, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Apologies on that – it was a good faith attempt to follow WP:BRD (I honestly may be slightly tired and slipped up...). Completely agree with your rationale and solution. When you implement could you do so on the USAF page as well, considering the text should be near identical? My concern is making sure similar language is used across the military service articles. Garuda28 (talk) 06:53, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
@Garuda28:  Done diff and  Done diff! Glad we were able to sort this out. Face-smile.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 07:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019Edit

A graph showing the number of articles in the page curation feed from 12/21/18 - 12/20/19

Reviewer of the Year
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This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.

Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

Top 10 Reviewers over the last 365 days
Rank Username Num reviews Log
1 Rosguill (talk) 47,395 Patrol Page Curation
2 Onel5969 (talk) 41,883 Patrol Page Curation
3 JTtheOG (talk) 11,493 Patrol Page Curation
4 Arthistorian1977 (talk) 5,562 Patrol Page Curation
5 DannyS712 (talk) 4,866 Patrol Page Curation
6 CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) 3,995 Patrol Page Curation
7 DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 3,812 Patrol Page Curation
8 Boleyn (talk) 3,655 Patrol Page Curation
9 Ymblanter (talk) 3,553 Patrol Page Curation
10 Cwmhiraeth (talk) 3,522 Patrol Page Curation

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

Redirect autopatrol

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.

Source Guide Discussion

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.

This month's refresher course

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.

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Sorry about those reverts, fatfinger on the iPad!

-- a they/them | argue | contribs 23:12, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

@Alfie: Lol... All good! I was just wondering why I all of a sudden had 4 notifications... Face-surprise.svg. Have a Happy Holiday season! Face-smile-christmas.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 23:18, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy HolidaysEdit

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Happy Holidays!
May your winter holidays be filled with joy, laughter and good health. Wishing you all the best in 2020 and beyond.

--Cameron11598 (Talk) 21:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
@Cameron11598: Thank you for the warm wishes! I hope you have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 09:16, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry Christmas, Coffee!Edit

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From my family to yours, I hope that you have a very Merry Christmas holiday and a Happy New Year! Face-smile-christmas.svg --TheSandDoctor Talk 08:27, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
That is very nice of you TheSandDoctor! I hope you have a wonderful Christmas holiday and a fantastic New Year celebration! May 2020 bring great joy and happiness to your life! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 08:35, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy HolidaysEdit

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Thank you for all your edits and contributions this year.
Wishing you a happy holiday!
DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 10:59, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas!Edit

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2020!
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Hope you enjoy the Christmas eve with the ones you love and step into the new year with lots of happiness and good health. Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year!CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 11:53, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Gifts and cake and all the Christmas stuff...Edit

...that Santa lugs around arrives today, and may you too have a joyous Christmas and happiest of New Year's. Thanks for the well wishes, and a choice of holidays (Festivus is giving Solstice a run for its money). Randy Kryn (talk) 12:52, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

Merry Christmas Coffee.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 13:52, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Merry ChristmasEdit

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Hi Coffee, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas
and a very happy and prosperous New Year,
Thanks for all your contributions to the 'pedia this past year,
   –Davey2010talk 14:06, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Nice to see you back :), I wanted to say something sooner but given our history I figured it was best to simply say nothing,
Anyway I hope you and yours have a lovely Christmas today and also have a very Happy and Healthy New Year,
Take care and I wish you all the best for the New Year, –Davey2010Talk 14:09, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
@Davey2010: Thank you for the returned wishes! I was a bit afraid to say hello for a while myself given how cringe-worthy my exit was. Since you're here, I'd like to take this time to apologize to you for how I acted towards you before my big break. I was lacking mental clarity in my last few months before I left, and I couldn't see that for myself (like at all) nor fix the issue until I took a really big step back (there was an overcharging med involved that is no longer a factor, but that's all I'll say in such a public forum). So, don't hesitate to tell me in the future if you think I need to re-evaluate something too. I'm sure we won't always agree, but I feel it wouldn't be smart of me to disregard someone's honest opinion. Anyways, I truly hope you have a wonderful Christmas Davey, and a fantastic New Year and beyond! Wishing you and your family the best! With care, Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 20:59, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
No worries my friend, It's all water under the bridge, I sincerely apologise for my comments and behaviour towards you,
If this year's taught me anything it's that you can lose friends quicker than you made them,
I hope you're okay now and genuinely I'm glad to see you're back :),
Thanks so much and I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a Happy, Peaceful, Healthy and Prosperous New Year,
Take care Coffee, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 21:49, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


you and yours' a happy holiday; have a great year ahead! Face-smile.svg WBGconverse 17:09, 25 December 2019 (UTC)


Tom & Jerry as served at Karl Ratzsch's, Milwaukee.jpg Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry

This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true.

No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well Coffee. MarnetteD|Talk 21:27, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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ITN recognition for J. Charles JonesEdit

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Happy New Year!Edit

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Praxidicae (talk) 01:20, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

 Lists of Jewish AmericansEdit

Hi, I see that you have recently removed many names from several lists of Jewish Americans. While removing names that cannot be verified is a clear improvement, at least some of these names can easily be verified by checking the relevant wikipedia article linked from the list. After a quick check of a few names from List of Jewish American poets I see that at least Rosebud Ben-Oni, David Berman, Joseph Brodsky, Alter Esselin, Allen Ginsberg, and Emma Lazarus have references in their blp articles that show they are Jewish. Wikipedia has many lists of people that do not have citations, and my interpretation of WP:LISTPEOPLE is that the inclusion criteria is met, ie 'The person's membership in the list's group is established by reliable sources' if the relevant ref is in the linked blp article. Can you point to a policy discussion that states that lists of people have to have references included? Dialectric (talk) 02:27, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Dialectric: Hello! Yes I am currently in the process of enforcing our policies listed at WP:BLPCAT/WP:CAT/R (because this particular desingation blends ethnicity and religion, if the lists only said people of X Jewish ethnicity, etc. this would fall under just WP:LISTPEOPLE) that quite specifically state sources have to be presented to back up inclusion in any list. While I understand there very well may be sources to back up some of those names that were listed, I also am aware that those sources have to be already listed for anyone to be listed per WP:BLPREMOVE. I also do not remotely have the time to look for those sources myself while in the midst of a major cleanup of the site, per a consensus discussion with several OTRS members/admins/en-wiki admins. Our WP:BLP policy expressly puts the onus of responsibility on anyone who wants to add such claims, it is not the responsibility of anyone else to go look for sources even if they exist in articles on our site. However, I have no issue at all with names being added back if there can be reliable sources used directly to support their inclusion. But, those sources must be unquestionably reliable and must also show that those people self-identify as Jewish and that they have been covered thusly as part of their notability. This is what our policies dictate occur, and it is especially important in my eyes (and my colleagues working this issue's eyes as well) that we be very careful listing Jewish people without reliable sources given the fact that Jewish people in particular have been targeted so much in modern history (and those type of acts are on the rise). I hope this answers some of your concern... even if it is not the easiest one. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:37, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
You can't remove wholesale edits, entirely. There is no policy like that. As he stated, Emma Lazarus for example was a Jewish poet and notable poet. You also removed wholesale Jewish soldiers. Uriah Levy for example. There is no excuse to just go down the entire Jewish categories and remove them. Sir Joseph (talk) 06:44, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Coffee, are you aware that Brodsky, Esselin, Ginsberg and Lazarus have all been dead for many years, and that there are no BLP concerns in those cases? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
@Cullen328: I will gladly assist in adding back people who don't fall under BLP, but only if the requirements at WP:CAT/R have been met. Can you verify to me that those articles you just mentioned meet the requirements of WP:CAT/R/WP:LISTPEOPLE or that they were in a specifically ethnic list of people that cannot be confused with religion (in the latter case WP:CAT/R would then not apply)? I'll note that I might not have the time to jump into that entirely yet as I do still need to make sure there are not BLP violations occurring in several hundred (if not thousands) more articles, so this may not be an immediate move for me. That's not because I don't want to help out here, nor that I want to appear to be making decisions unilaterally. I merely am a bit handicapped by being the only person who seemed willing to enter this controversial task (I imagine you've ran into such issues before in your time here). But I will not stand in the way of you if you think adding unsourced additions back to lists is an improvement to our encyclopedia (obviously only in cases of long dead people, as I cannot even remotely encourage anyone to add back noncited/unsourced claims about living people)... albeit I disagree on the principle that they should only be in a list if they are sourced with a verified consensus of reliable published sources per WP:CAT/R (in other words I would be very appreciative if when adding back names we actually used references). As I stated to Sir Joseph below though, I would be very happy to help properly source these lists when I do get the time (and I will happily alot most of my time towards such a task). I'm not trying to not have us list people who should be listed, I'm merely trying to ensure we don't list people without enough sources directly presented (it isn't quite the best course of action in my eyes to expect readers to go to the actual articles to have to find sourcing for inclusion on a list). Does this sound like a workable solution to you? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 21:15, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Coffee, to be fair, shouldn't these be questions asked of you before you remove people from the list? I didn't even read the list without even being incredulous that Lazarous was removed, then the first sentence in her article reads, "was an American author of poetry, prose, and translations, as well as an activist for Jewish causes." Come on, if you are removing en masse, it's on you, especially for long dead people. Not on other people to verify your mass removal of edits. Sir Joseph (talk) 21:46, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Notice of noticeboard discussionEdit

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Sir Joseph (talk) 06:52, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: Is there a reason you didn't give me time to reply to the message you made that wiped in an edit conflict? Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
So what is your reply? Sir Joseph (talk) 07:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Sir Joseph: This is all the result of a many (and rather ongoing) complaints we've received at OTRS. As such some matters cannot be discussed publicly, other that to say those who complained about the overt amount of religious/ethnic descriptions being used for Jewish people was too high and presented issues of potentially enabling anti-Semitic behavior. After over four separate confirmations with OTRS members/OTRS admins and English Wikipedia admins (I did not enter this task rashly in the slightest), we came to a conclusion that these mentions needed to be removed unless properly sourced, the same decision was made about whether the categories and lists (and mentions of religion) fell under WP:CAT/R/WP:BLPCAT. The onus of responsibility for anyone adding people to lists or categories that are religious (and Jewish lists have a complexity with this if they are not separated into literally "ethnic Jewish" and "religious Jewish" falls on you whoever adds the information, per WP:BLPREMOVE. These removals were not taken lightly, but they are entirely necessary given the severity of anti-Semitism in the holocaust and the rise in anti-Semitism in recent years. When I have the time though (after my large cleanup of the site) I will happily help you add back properly sourced claims of religious/ethnic origin. I will note I advise splitting such lists/categories in the future if you want to go by the less stringent requirements of WP:LISTPEOPLE (although do note LISTPEOPLE has a section devoted to BLPs that must be adhered to). Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 07:21, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
you don't think bringing this to the Judaism project would have been a good idea? Two, this looks like a new rule just for Jewish categories and lists. Three, BLP doesn't apply to Lazarus or Levy for example. Maybe someone else was submitting tickets, just a thought. Something doesn't smell right to me. Sir Joseph (talk) 07:37, 31 December 2019 (UTC)
Isn't removing a mention of ones valid Jewish religious identity from a person's article abetting anti-Semitism, not discouraging it? Liz Read! Talk! 05:26, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
@Liz: I get what you're saying on a principled basis, but to me we're risking people's personal safety to some degree here if we aren't careful with listing such things. I also have made a reply at WP:AN which I think somewhat further explains where I'm coming from on this. See here. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:12, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Welcome back!!Edit

It's ok if WP editors are amateurs. Just remember: Noah's Ark was built by amateurs – the Titanic was built by professionals. Thanks for your many contributions to the encyclopedia!

  • Out with the old, in with the new!! I'll remember 2019 like it was yesterday!
  • Remember, a New Year's resolution is something that goes in one year and out the other.
  • Definition of a hangover: Wrath of Grapes.
  • What kind of doctor fixes broken websites?
A URLologist.

🎉🥂🍾🎊 Atsme Talk 📧 04:54, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

On ethnic definitionsEdit

I won't post this note on the other page where you are discussing this issue, since my presence there is not welcome.

I think your OTRS consultation came to the correct conclusion. This has nothing to do with veiled anti-Semitism or some particular exceptionalism for an ethnic category, but simply acknowledges a serious definition problem: can one categorize people on Wikipedia regardless of their potential self-definition,. by making inferences, biological, ethnic, national etc., from sources. The best example I know of is an essay by the American geneticist Alain F. Corcos, in his The Myth of the Jewish Race: A Biologist's Point of View, Lehigh University Press,ISBN 978-0-934-22379-9 2005 and his Who is a Jew? Thoughts of a Biologist: An Essay Dedicated to the Jewish and Non-Jewish Victims of the Nazi Holocaust, Wheatmark, Inc.ISBN 978-1--604-94720-5

There Corcos states that his family was Jewish and escaped the Holocaust, but that he does not think of himself as Jewish, since, as a geneticist, he does not consider ethnicity a valid category. For him, being 'Jewish' is a religious category, whereas his brother Gilles definitely identifies as Jewish, because he follows the traditional religious observances of Judaism. This of course applies to all ethnicities.

One could deduce that Corcos is Jewish from his lineage, but one could not insert him into any category automatically making him so by inference. That's why, as you say, unless multiple sources show ethnicity is acknowledged by the subject as relevant to his identity, editors should not impose one on any person on inferential grounds. If anything,in these times of the return of ethnic thinking and its implications, especially for a people historically afflicted by the consequences of being stereotyped, extreme caution is obligatory.

Best wishes for a prosperous and productive New Year, by the way.Nishidani (talk) 11:35, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Apologies for butting in. I just happened upon this after peeking at Coffee’s talk page. But I think a mischaracterization you repeated here needs to be rebutted, to some extent.
Corcos is NOT a geneticist. He’s a botanist. And by extension, a general biologist. He’s never worked in the field of genetic research. In fact, he retired before there was any appreciable fruition in the field of genetics, especially gene-mapping, due to the limitations of technology at the time.
The extent of his professional expertise is almost totally to do with identifying plant pathology and disease. I can’t speak to his personal interest in the subject post-retirement. I’m not sure why you’re calling him a geneticist, as he’s never worked in that field, even tangentially. Symmachus Auxiliarus (talk) 01:00, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Coffee!Edit

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@Davey2010: Thank you very much for the welcoming entrance to the New Year. Indeed it is even a new decade! I hope you as well have an absolutely wonderful and fufiling year, and most certainly a truly great decade. May we make this the new roaring twenties... and perhaps not follow it up with the next Great Depression. Haha... In all seriousness, I'm very glad to be on good terms with you again, and I sincerely appreciated your last message to me here. I look forward to our continued friendship and am glad we will both continue to improve this site in our own ways. You're a good man, and I'm simply pleased to know you. Face-grin.svg Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:12, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
I know it feels kinda weird being in 2020 for some reason it feels more different than compared to previous years, Same here I'm genuinely so happy we're on good terms again,
I never see the point in holding grudges against anyone life's too short for all all that,
Thanks and you're a good man too never forget that!,
Anyway I wish you and your family all the very best for 2020 Coffee,
Take care and again my very best wishes for 2020 :),
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 11:38, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Wishing you a happy 2020Edit

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Jewish editsEdit

You actions in this area including making threats and continuing after you know it is controversial are very disturbing. Your claim to throw out the babies with the bathwater but I promise I will go back and look for them later is never how Wikipedia has worked successfully. Hundreds of half-finished projects litter our history. Rmhermen (talk) 00:24, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I haven't seen any threats. Diffs please? Primefac (talk) 01:44, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I am not trying to disturb you or anyone else, I'm merely going through a process to ensure we're properly sourcing contentious claims in articles and removing contentious claims that are not properly sourced. I'm not sure what you mean by "making threats" either. The closest I can assume you are referring to is when I repeated TheSandDoctor's warning to a user that if they didn't discontinue violating our policy on BLP they might face a block or other sanctions. Other than that I have merely stated what policy states be done in my edit summaries, specifically WP:BLPREMOVE which states:

Remove immediately any contentious material about a living person that:

  1. is unsourced or poorly sourced;
  2. is an original interpretation or analysis of a source, or a synthesis of sources (see No original research);
  3. relies on self-published sources, unless written by the subject of the BLP (see #Using the subject as a self-published source); or
  4. relies on sources that fail in some other way to meet verifiability standards.

Note that, although the three-revert rule does not apply to such removals, what counts as exempt under BLP can be controversial. Editors who find themselves in edit wars over potentially defamatory material about living persons should consider raising the matter at the biographies of living persons noticeboard instead of relying on the exemption.

The lists are not sourced properly per either WP:BLPCAT, WP:CAT/R nor WP:LISTVERIFY. The articles I've edited have not been complying with WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, WP:BLPRS nor WP:V, among others. Two that are especially relevant here are WP:V and WP:BLPRS. Instead of quoting both,I'll quote this section alone in BLPRS as it sums up pretty concisely how both cover the removal of contentious information:

Wikipedia's sourcing policy, Verifiability, says that all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation; material not meeting this standard may be removed. This policy extends that principle, adding that contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion. This applies whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable and whether it is in a biography or in some other article.

I was merely attempting to ensure those policies are being enforced properly, in an area were we should be using the utmost care (not just leaving things "half-finished"). If you think that is permissible to be making lists of contentious information or adding contentious information to articles (BLP or otherwise) that are not properly sourced and cited on our encyclopedia, you can call me very disturbed as well. Because, WP:BURDEN specifically states (and this encompasses every article on our site, including both living and non-living people's articles and related lists):

All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution. Once an editor has provided any source he or she believes, in good faith, to be sufficient, then any editor who later removes the material has an obligation to articulate specific problems that would justify its exclusion from Wikipedia (e.g. why the source is unreliable; the source does not support the claim; undue emphasis; unencyclopedic content; etc.). If necessary, all editors are then expected to help achieve consensus, and any problems with the text or sourcing should be fixed before the material is added back.

It then goes on to also state something quite similar to V/RS: Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. Before also stating Do not leave unsourced or poorly sourced material in an article if it might damage the reputation of living people or existing groups, and do not move it to the talk page. You should also be aware of how the BLP policy applies to groups.
Here's also a relevant quote from our site's Founder on the matter, who I think understood very well when making this statement "how Wikipedia has worked successfully":

"I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons." - Jimmy Wales "Zero information is preferred to misleading or false information", WikiEN-l, May 16, 2006

Simply put, not only do I fully disagree with your characterization of my actions I think consensus and policy are behind my actions (even if some are frustrated that this will take some work). I'm disappointed that me clearly stating on here several times that I will assist in properly sourcing and re-adding names back after first removing poorly sourced, unsourced, contentious information on our site is apparently not good enough to assuage some of the frustration here, but I fully intend to keep to my word on that. Regardless of that, I ensured to not make this decision unilaterally. I ensured to approach many people of high caliber on our site who know the ins and outs of BLP policies here (one OTRS admin, no less now than five fellow English Wikipedia administrators, four of which are OTRS members, and at least two other OTRS members) then I moved forward with the removals. Finding something disturbing isn't a replacement for actual community policy, nor the standards expressed that we must follow from the Foundation when dealing with living people's information being listed on our site. As far as I'm aware that is how things have always actually worked here. If you have policies to back up your assertions however, I'm more than willing to listen. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 02:21, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Being Jewish is not contentious. "contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion." Sir Joseph (talk) 03:54, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
And it is definitely not "negative information". Liz Read! Talk! 05:18, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
@Liz: I do hope none of my above explanation gave off the impression that I think it is "negative" in any way shape or form to be Jewish (my use of Jimbo's quote was more trying to be focused on this, and perhaps I should have used emphasis: "It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information..."). I merely am stating it is something that can be contentious due to the nature of the type of claim (a potential religious affiliation). I would point out WP:BLPRS gets at this with this line "This applies whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable and whether it is in a biography or in some other article". I lean more towards this being a neutral or questionable issue of contention . Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 10:19, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Exchange rate templateEdit

Hey Coffee! Just wanted to let you know I reverted your edit here per an edit request. You might want to start a discussion on removing FxTop if you please. A very happy new year to you! Face-smile.svg --qedk (t c) 16:05, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

qedk Thanks for the heads up. I meant leave a note at the talk page saying I was fine with another template-editor reverting if they had more familiarity with that website, and agreed with its inclusion (apparently I didn't post it though). As far as I could tell one person in particular had added it and fought for its use on the site, while there wasn't a clear consensus for it to be there (a few made remarks at the talk page against its inclusion). Wasn't at all aware (and no one had made a comment previously) that it had access to 4 currencies that aren't available in the others. If that's the case, I'm definitely in support of it staying there since it could be useful to our readers. A happy new year to you as well! Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 06:11, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Charles H. MahoneyEdit

Updated DYK query.svgOn 6 January 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Charles H. Mahoney, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Charles H. Mahoney was the first African American to serve as a delegate to the United Nations? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charles H. Mahoney. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Charles H. Mahoney), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
--valereee (talk) 00:02, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

otrs detailEdit

Hi there Coffee. I know otrs details are private but is it possible to tell us the names of the complainants so that we can use that consideration in regards to possible replacement? thanks Govindaharihari (talk) 04:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Govindaharihari, you answered your own question; unless they specifically give permission to reveal that information, we cannot give it out. Primefac (talk) 14:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Right, thanks Govindaharihari (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)