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Kanji Romaji translation

I reverted a edit by this user. Because I didn't find the Kanji and Romaji the same. But he keeps saying that he is right and to prove that he added an unreliable reference on my talk page. I am not experienced in Japanese so I need someone to look into the matter. I keep the Romaji title hidden at the moment.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 11:12, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Whether you are experienced or not in Japanese, it's not that hard to listen to the audio of the primary source. Try it :-) By the way, it's stunning that you call it an "unreliable reference" (especially since that is an official video of Kadokawa).--Sakretsu (talk) 11:23, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I am pinging some experienced user @Juhachi: @Tintor2: @Sjones23: to discuss this issue.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 11:26, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Masumrezarock100: As you yourself have stated, if you are not experienced in Japanese, you really shouldn't try to take users who are experienced in it to task. For the record, Google translate should never be relied on to convert anything to anything on Wikipedia. If you don't understand Japanese, then just leave the romaji blank; there are plenty of other users who will come around to fill it in, one way or another, as shown in this case by the youtube video linked above, an official episode preview.--十八 11:39, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Juhachi:, I understand. I will revert my edit. I know some Japanese phrases not full Japanese. But I am still wondering why Kanji and Romaji were not matching.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 11:44, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

神鳥 is borrowed from Chinese, as seen here, so that's probably why (it's not a dictionary word in Japanese).--十八 11:56, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Juhachi: I see. Shouldn't we use Japanese words for Kanji?
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 12:04, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

We use what the correct reading is in the context in which it exists. In this instance, the youtube video was definitive in the reading of 神鳥 as shinchō.--十八 12:19, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Guys, wouldn't this site be helpful for romajis? Still, I'm not entirely sure in how macrons work.Tintor2 (talk) 15:30, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Unsurprisingly, even that website gives the reading of 神鳥 as kamitori, which is an acceptable reading, but it is not the reading in this context. So I assume that website is about as accurate as Google translate in this respect.--十八 21:48, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think so. This site is just like Google translate based on automated translation. I think we need a some accurate site for Romaji translation. Do you know any?
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 03:02, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Template:Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi! light novel rankings No.1

This template is up for deletion by a nom who had no idea what it was for. Additional comments are needed as I am unsure of the template's usefulness. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Anybody already watched this movie?

The article Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel II. lost butterfly is undergoing expansions by users but I keep noticing some details like transitions that seem trivial and lack of neutrality. Since I didn't watch the movie, I have no idea what should be removed since in the past hours there have been expansion by other users. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 16:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Tintor2, the plot is 1333 words long, so I would slap a filmplot tag on it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:30, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

I see. Should I revert it to before the previous expansion?Tintor2 (talk) 16:32, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Nevermind. I went bold.Tintor2 (talk) 16:33, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Harem Genre

I know this is kinda based on personal interpretation. But don't you think The Quintessential Quintuplets and Domestic Girlfriend is slowly but surely turning into harem anime? I know we need reliable sources to add the genre in Wikipedia article. So I am asking here. Is there any reference to identify it?
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 02:57, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, The Quintessential Quintuplets is a conventional harem comedy (1). I don't think the other one can be easily identified as such, though. Even sources allude to harem tones, but that's not decisive.--Sakretsu (talk) 09:41, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Sakretsu: I think Domestic Girlfriend is a Harem anime because it has four girls falling for Natsuo. Don't you think?
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 10:02, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

If you can provide a WP:RS that supports this notion then go ahead with the inclusion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:42, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Can we use this link as a reference for the harem genre of Domestic Girlfriend?
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 16:43, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

I would say it's borderline, and would prefer that the critic state it as a harem anime/manga. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:24, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Keep in mind that our purpose is to provide information according to what sources say. We should stick to it without making assumptions.--Sakretsu (talk) 19:05, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Right, they are comparing it to works and characters that are harems, but didn't say the work itself is a harem genre. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:37, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Intrigue in the Bakumatsu – Irohanihoheto

I have spent about the past four weeks editing the article page for Intrigue in the Bakumatsu – Irohanihoheto, which had numerous errors to be fixed. By the way, this is a great anime show, for those who have not seen it. But anyways, I digress. The reason for this post is to report two things. I have added summaries onto that page (200 words or less per episode). This was a bit difficult due to the constant narration throughout and the historical ties in a fictional setting. Plus, I had to link most historical locations and warships (and other terms/names relative to the Boshin War, including the Boshin War) to the other article pages!

The second thing is that I noticed an incomplete characters section, in which about half of the recurring characters aren't mentioned, making the summaries even more difficult to write at first, but then I realized that I shouldn't describe the first-time mentioned characters who aren't on the characters section and just write this post..... AnimeEditor (communicator • database) 17:23, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@AnimeEditor: Good work. In a small Google search, I found some articles:

• [1]
• [2]
• [3]
• [4]

From my experience, we shouldn't focus too much on adding every character but only the most notable.Tintor2 (talk) 21:25, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2: Thank you for your article suggestions! And as for the characters.... There are many "most notable", but not mentioned in the characters section: Shinzaemon Tatewaki; Kurota Karasuma, Kaen Ryu and Geasai Hachisuka; Meifu Hata; Tatsugoro Shinmon; Oryo; Takiaki Enomoto; Jules Brunet; Knight, Queen, Rook and Bishop; Okoma; Ryoun Takamatsu; Ryōsuke Kuroda. There are many characters in the series that were captioned, but were not notable. And there were characters that only appeared in one episode. The characters I listed appeared in at two episodes, which I think Okoma was the least recurring and Enomoto was the most recurring (from this list). But still.... I cannot find kanji/romaji names for any of them, even if I were to write a description for them! AnimeEditor (communicator • database) 05:20, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@AnimeEditor: If they appear very little I would consider not mentioning them in a section since it appears there are not major protagonists. By the way, the external links include an official blog. Blogs of anime series tend to contain information from the developers so if you know Japanese or know another person skilled at Japanese, there might be a possibility to create a "production" section. Regards.Tintor2 (talk) 16:28, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2: I assure you all the characters mentioned above are notable enough to be part of the characters section. If the other characters can't be added by someone more skilled in Japanese (shaming myself), then I won't worry. I was just reporting in. As for the production section, I may need help to put that together. I just wanted to at least do a massive fix on the page, mostly fixing the layout/descriptions of the characters section and adding summaries for the episode list section. I was just surprised at how the article page looked before I started editing it. Hopefully, someone more skilled comes along and finishes the work I put in. AnimeEditor (communicator • database) 23:33, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Sources

I am wondering. Is it okay to add genres tags and it's reference link from the official or licensed streaming websites like Crunchyroll or Funimation. I am asking here because User:Unnamelessness made a similar edit on The Quintessential Quintuplets.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 11:05, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

I do not see it listed under WP:A&M/ORS, but would treat it as a primary source. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:03, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Pokémon film plans

Hello, all. I'm planning to revise all twenty-one Pokémon films and make them at least GA status, similar to what happened with the James Bond films. I think the leads may need to follow WP:MOSFILM and we should expand the production sections in individual articles. In addition, we should add the Japanese and English reception. If there are any other thoughts, please let me know here. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:48, 21 February 2019 (UTC)

You are right. We should promote the articles to atleast GA status as the Pokemon itself is a c class article. Please continue your work.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 10:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Very good. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:23, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I know very little about the topic, so I won't be much help. Do they still do featured topics? If they do, once they get that far, we can create one of those, too. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:44, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Oneangrygamer wrt the Vic Mignogna Controversy

Logging in after a very long time to bring this to someone’s attention, I would’ve posted on the talk page of the article in question, but this seemed like a better venue because it’s more trafficked. I hope my Wikiettiquite is still up to date.

Someone on the ANN forums brought my attention to the article for Pensacon, which has lately been involved in the Vic Mignogna controversy because they’re hosting Monica Rial, and she’s one of Vic’s main industry accusers, and have claimed to have gotten threats from Vic supporters over it.

The last section of the article, covering the controversy, uses as a source oneangrygamer.net, which should sound familiar to people who were familiar with Gamergate and the whole kerfluffle here about it. I believe that site was judged a non reliable source, due to their stated bias against what the editor and writer William Usher saw as a left leaning gaming press and the fact that they were formed as a response to the unproven claims brought forward wrt GG and “ethics in games journalism”.

Bringing it to the attention of people here, because I haven’t edited in a while, and would feel kinda dropped in the deep end if I were to remove that source without someone here backing me on it wrt it not being an RS. Also to bring eyes to the subject, because there’s been a Twitter mob forming over the past month and I didn’t know if it had impacted in Vic related articles here yet. Also as a heads up that there might be an influx of SPAs on this topic area sooner rather than later, who see this as another front in a culture war involving GG and #metoo, and all the nastiness that entails.

—GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 01:18, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

One Angry Gamer is not a reliable source for anything involving living people, and questionable on anything else. I've removed it for now, but I'll look at the rest of the sourcing as well. Thanks for raising it. :) - Bilby (talk) 01:59, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

You’re Welcome and Thanks for the quick action! —GhostStalker(Got a present for ya! | Mission Log) 02:11, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#Attention WikiProjects

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Third opinion

Need third opinion about air date issue. Come at Cyberpower678's talk page.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 04:10, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Mangatensei.com external link

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Are these additions of mangatensei.com external links appropriate? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 11:57, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Scanlation websites are not appropriate external links. 24.149.102.47 (talk) 12:12, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

I put in a request to blacklist it at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#mangatensei.com.--十八 12:23, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

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Episode listing

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I am thinking about listing all Sword Art Online season's here via transclude template like this. I want to left the other lists List of Sword Art Online episodes, List of Sword Art Online II episodes, List of Sword Art Online: Alicization episodes as it is. Before I create and edit this page, what is your thoughts? Any objections?
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 03:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure how coverage works in episodes list. While I worked with the List of D.Gray-man episodes the sequel is not that linked with List of D.Gray-man Hallow episodes. Maybe the main title should be "List of Sword Art Online all season episodes" and the sublists would be "Sword Art Online (2012)" based on recent similar FLsTintor2 (talk) 16:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC).

Would it make sense to rename it List of Sword Art Online episodes (Season 1)?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 17:01, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2:, That would work. I am moving the page then.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 21:32, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

I was thinking more on following the example of the FL Bleach (season 1). Then again, the FLs of Code Geass don't have that format so I'm not sure if there is a rule that is good for every article.Tintor2 (talk) 17:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2:, @Blue Pumpkin Pie:, I moved the page to List of Sword Art Online (season 1) episodes. I also created the page List of Sword Art Online all season episodes. Please have a look.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 22:12, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

For the story arcs, that might be taken out as sections. To maybe put in a sentence or something. But is the episode lists going to have a sublist later. Then there's some that might have to follow WP:TVSEASON. But if I tried, I'll be asleep by then. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 02:37, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Taint. Please don't mind that I shorten your name.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^talk 03:53, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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Can anyone find a reliable source for Maze originals being lost?

Maze (novel) does not mention the interesting facts found in [5]. But all I see are forum posts and such. Anyone can find anything we can actually reference on this? (Perhaps in Japanese which I can't search in...)? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:13, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Third opinion for Rising of the Shield Hero

There is a bit of a debate whether we should keep the title parameters for List of The Rising of the Shield Hero volumes, you can find the discussion here.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 20:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

This has now become an edit war, even though we have third opinion on this. User:‎Masumrezarock100 is demanding i make consensus here and not in the talkpage of the list. I hope this gets resolved quickly as possible. Masumezarock100 wants the title parameters in the list because they want the kanji and romanji shown somewhere in the list and find its informative. I and User:Tainted-Wingsz voted for their removal because they can be shown in references and also because those are already present in the main article. So i'm asking for consensus here to end this WP:OWN behavior.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 04:30, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

I am pinging some experienced editors to hear their thoughts. @Juhachi: @Tintor2: Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 04:33, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

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Request for comment/third opinion at Kirarin Revolution

I opened a request for comments section on Talk:Kirarin Revolution about merging Kira Pika and MilkyWay to Kirarin Revolution or Kirarin Revolution discography (which stemmed from ongoing discussions from Talk:Hana o Pūn / Futari wa NS). I have attempted to establish consensus about it for quite some time (including renaming Talk:Chance! (Koharu Kusumi song) and Talk:Happy (Koharu Kusumi song)) but almost all of the discussions ended with "no consensus." It's not quite clear on what direction these articles are going to have, so input is heavily appreciated. lullabying (talk) 23:48, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Is lolicon a genre? And if so, is Kodomo no Jikan considered to be lolicon?

Requesting for a third opinion here. To keep it short and simple, Kodomo no Jikan (KNJ) is a controversial piece of work that depicts a grade school girl that repeatedly tries to seduce her teacher by posing in a sexually provocative way; the forbidden relationship between the teacher and the underage student is a two way street. Multiple reliable sources confirm that lolicon is indeed a genre. [1][2][3] I, for one, believe that KNJ is of the lolicon genre. Sk8erPrince (talk) 19:17, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

For the record a past consensus exists here: Talk:Kodomo no Jikan#Edit request from Reikasama, 28 August 2011 and at Talk:Kodomo no Jikan#Lolicon as genre. In short the matter has already been discussed at great length. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

It's listed as a genre in Glossary of anime and manga, but I think of it like yuri. There are manga that have yuri elements, like Rose of Versailles or Sailor Moon, and yet are not classified as yuri manga. Or you can use WP:CATDEF, and see if the "reliable sources commonly and consistently define" the subject as having. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:37, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to disagree that this topic has ever been discussed at "great length". If the consensus from that discussion really was as obvious as you make it to be, Knowledge, then I don't think I would be making a dispute over it. Per WP:CATDEF, there are at least two reliable sources that describe KNJ as lolicon. KNJ also fits the definition of "lolicon" as well, since an overwhelming portion of both the manga (source material) and the anime adaption portray Rin and her grade school friends in sexually provocative poses that would only appeal to lovers of that genre.
This isn't like Cardcaptor Sakura, where a teacher-student relationship (Mr Terada and Rika) is just mentioned, and isn't the main focus on the plot; in the case of KNJ, Mr Aoki and Rin's relationship IS the central theme of the entire work. So it is to my understanding that KNJ is most definitely lolicon, and that the current sole listed genre (comedy) does not adequately describe the work's true nature. Sk8erPrince (talk) 21:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Im not going into what is or isn't lolicon. The source you provided AnimeNation engages in copyright violations as pointed out by Farix in 2011. It can not be considered reliable in that aspect, ANN is another matter what needs to be looked into. The New Yorker article doesn't mention KnJ at all so I don't know where you were going there. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Okay, even if you disregard the AnimeNation citation, Seven Seas Entertainment's (SSE) blog could be used as a reliable source for classifying KNJ as lolicon, since its genre is the reason why they ultimately decided not to publish it in the US. The KNJ article details more about the lolicon controversy here. Every source that I've found cites KNJ as lolicon. There's just no denying it.
"The New Yorker article doesn't mention KnJ at all so I don't know where you were going there."
You denied that lolicon is a genre, and I've linked a reliable source that suggests otherwise. I'm trying to prove TWO things in this discussion:
1) Lolicon is a genre.
2) Kodomo no Jikan is lolicon. Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

So you are suggesting that we label the series as lolicon based on a controversy? Some sources are calling this simply a "comedy" or a "romantic comedy". As for a genre there needs to be additional sources other than the one. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

The controversy proves that KNJ is lolicon. SSE classifies it as lolicon, and so does ANN. SSE's stance is especially important in proving my point in this case, since they were going to publish KNJ to the US, before changing their minds after realizing that in later volumes, the teacher gets sexually aroused by his grade school student. Listing "romantic comedy" as its sole genre does not adequately categorize what this series is, since it does not address the fact that it features a forbidden relationship as its central theme. I suggest listing "romantic comedy" and "lolicon" as genres. Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:27, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

PS: The KNJ Kickstarter describes the manga's content as ecchi, and that it contains fanservice. Fanservice of whom? The female protagonist, Rin, of course. If a work has fanservice of female children, then it is lolicon. The Kickstarter itself supports my point. Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:36, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

PS2: Actually, ANN calls it "near-kiddie porn". That's another way of describing lolicon, if you ask me. Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

My issue then is that its a controversy that adds WP:UNDUE weight to the subject. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:49, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

I suggest we use it as a tag like this.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^☎ 01:53, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

I want to wait for others to weigh in here as a lot of viewpoints from back in 2011 could still be valid here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:55, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

SSE says they wanted to name it "Chibi Lolita". It doesn't say it's a lolicon manga. It would be different if they said "we're calling it Chibi Lolita because the main character is a lolicon" Kickstarter is not a reliable source. Anyone could start a Kickstarter and call it whatever they want. ANN article calls it a comedy and the quote is "Perhaps the real mind game being played here is to guess whether the author is actually exploring the implications of a highly unlikely teacher-student relationship ... or just throwing near-kiddie-porn to the wolves." This is not the same as writing "this is a lolicon comedy" Please find other news articles or actual production sources that classify it as such. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

No, the Kickstarter is a reliable source because Digital Manga is the official English publisher for the KNJ manga. It's not some random company or random reviewer claiming to know things that they are ignorant about. There's also a research paper that talks about lolicon in detail, and it listed KNJ as an example. This review also identifies KNJ as lolicon. There's a scholarly book that makes an attempt to look into objectionable content in Japanese media - it explicitly states KNJ is lolicon. (page 118: "Regardless of depth or complexity, if Lolita were manga, it would, like The Time of Children [KNJ], no doubt be categorized as lolicon, which is perceived as objectionable in the Anglophone world.") Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:00, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

PS: It is also important to consider why SSE canceled publication for KNJ - they cited the teacher getting sexually aroused by his female grade school student as the last straw. Grown ups getting hard ons when seduced by little girls IS the very definition of lolicon. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:11, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Lolicon means child pornography. So I think this element or tag suites here.
Sincerely,
Masum Reza^☎ 03:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

We cant go by opinions alone on this highly controversial subject. I still stand by comment that even if this is Lolicon, the tag would add WP:UNDUE weight to the article. What is the net gain by labeling an article with a controversial tag? Sk8erPrince what bothers me about your arguments is that you keep trying to define lolicon, and why you feel that KnJ falls under the umbrella. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:10, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

If we aren't hiding the fact that the controversy exists, then it's only fair that we also don't hide what this work is truly about. The way I see it, that means categorizing the work with the right and appropriate genres. And here's one more factor you should consider: In the manga's final chapter (Rin is now 15), the teacher and his student engage in sexual intercourse; at that point, it's just obvious that even the work itself isn't trying to hide its true lolicon nature. Yes, that may be the age of consent in Japan, but the fact of the matter is, that relationship stems all the way back to Rin's grade school years, at the age of 9. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

As Rin is now 15 years, I think it is more like ecchi rather than lolicon. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 07:38, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

The majority of the series takes place in Rin's grade school years, though. Yes, as mentioned in the Kickstarter above, the series is indeed ecchi - ecchi shots of Rin and her grade school friends. Sk8erPrince (talk) 07:54, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

So why ecchi doesn't qualify as a genre? Some anime like High School DxD, High School of the Dead, The Testament of Sister New Devil totally falls under ecchi category. Most of the streaming services including Crunchyroll treat ecchi as a genre. I think we should make ecchi a genre along with the lolicon. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 08:02, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I never said KNJ doesn't qualify as ecchi. Your suggestion is actually quite sound, and I am inclined to agree. Sk8erPrince (talk) 08:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Ecchi isn't a slang word either, its a phrase to describe something. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:32, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I'll offer my opinion on three sources Sk8erPrince has cited in favor of their argument. First, this one is a research paper, and those are generally not used or even considered reliable unless they have been "vetted by the scholarly community" (quoted from the second point of WP:SCHOLARSHIP), and since that does not appear to be the case here, I would say that this reference is not reliable at this time. Second, has The Otaku Study been vetted as a reliable source by this project? There's nothing on that website that talks about an editorial review board or that the single writer is considered reliable by the community at large, both of which would make it difficult to consider it reliable. Third, this "book" is essentially a self-published source, as the editor is the same as the writer, even though technically there is an independent publisher, but it's more just an opinion piece by a university professor at best, or yet another unvetted academic piece at worst. Either way, I don't see how any of these three could be considered reliable in terms of asserting the claims of this series being lolicon.--十八 22:04, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough. Then let's go back to a previous source that I've presented - the KNJ Kickstarter made by Digital Manga, the current English publisher for the KNJ manga. Digital Media described the manga as ecchi; there are plenty of fanservice shots of grade schooler Rin, and in the manga's final chapter, Rin and her teacher engage in sexual intercourse. This is definitely pedophilia, as Rin is still underage even after the time skip. Furthermore, quoting the Seven Seas Entertainment blog (SSE was the previous publisher for KNJ), "But in this scene in the third volume, it shows him getting literally, physically aroused by her (the original Japanese text unmistakably and unequivocally backs this up.) This is what completely crossed the line for me, and showed me that I could no longer defend releasing this title." The term lolicon has been defined as media focusing on the attraction to young or prepubescent girls, as well as individuals with paraphilia. [1] [2]
One only has to look into the KNJ manga itself to define its genre. Sk8erPrince (talk) 09:41, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

With all due respect, something like "One only has to look into the KNJ manga itself to define its genre." is what no original research is all about, in that independent sources are required to back up such claims, especially if it's controversial. Yes, there is WP:BLUE to consider, but what may be obvious to some may not be as obvious to others (WP:NOTBLUE). I would suggest not attempting to synthesize sources by claiming that because one source suggests one thing, and another source defines that thing, it means the first source is talking about that thing when they haven't actually talked about it.

With that said, the kickstarter doesn't actually describe the series as "lolicon". The closest they come to is "The book is best described as "ecchi-level" / borderline erotica and requires a Parental Advisory warning." This may seem like nitpicking, but I'm really just going by what can and cannot actually be cited per what was said on the website, i.e. verifiability, not truth.--十八 11:15, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Isn't ecchi shots of female child characters *exactly* the definition of lolicon, though? That's the point I'm trying to make here. It's like saying MAPs (minor attracted person) and pedophiles aren't the same thing. Digital Manga may not have explicitly used the word "lolicon" to describe KNJ, but the description matches the definition of lolicon. Sk8erPrince (talk) 07:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

That is what synthesis is: "...combin[ing] material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." One interpretation of "ecchi shots of female child characters" could be lolicon, but if there is no reliable source that states this outright, I don't think that sort of conclusion should be reached as far as Wikipedia is concerned.--十八 12:24, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion in Shinji Ikari

See Talk:Shinji Ikari#Reception is undue weight for the main discussion. An anon keeps deleting the three cultural impact sources I found about the character. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 02:55, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Translation anywhere?

Hello, a fellow Russian editor motivated me to work into creating another Fate article, Sakura Matou. While I think my sandbox passes wp:notability, it still lacks creation information. The user passed information from a Japanese guidebook which apparently explains a lot about her creation. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 23:19, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Yo-kai Watch and Yo-kai Watch!

Can a better title be used for Yo-kai Watch!? Having just a single exclamation mark for disambiguation seems confusing to be honest. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:59, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Another issue at Shinji Ikari

An anon highly expanded the plot summary of a certain section of the article Shinji Ikari. I reverted it but he reverted it back, making it even longer with strange references. See talk at Talk:Shinji Ikari#End of Evangelion summary. The film is about one hour and half which I find it unfitting for the article.Tintor2 (talk) 23:18, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

if you want to talk issues your insertion of fancruft shipping garbage is also an issue — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.35.95.24 (talk) 02:23, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Looks like the anon just made a personal attack. I restored the content due to this.Tintor2 (talk) 23:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Portal:Anime and manga nominated for deletion

Portal:Anime and manga has been caught up in a group deletion of some smaller portals for some reason, and was nominated for deletion.--十八 21:12, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

The nominator struck Portal:Anime and manga from the MfD list as being improperly assessed. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Creating a Fate (franchise) page

See the discussion at Talk:Fate/stay night#Creating a Fate (franchise) page.Tintor2 (talk) 22:24, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

for long tv shows

When a show was running for a long time like Bleach (TV series), is it optional to have |EpisodeNumber2=? As I happen to see by this edit on Black Clover. I don't see anything, that would really be needed there? If there isn't any numbering issues like at My Hero Academia (season 2), where Adult Swim skipped over episode 13.5, etc. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 14:14, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

An extended question about this. Is at the Reference desk. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 02:55, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

what date is this page is using?

At one peculiar section has the date format currently using mdy and dmy for this page. Like for volume 1 by |RelDate= has; January 6, 2017. But as you look at the |accessdate= the date has 30 September 2018. The full question is on that talk page.

Use MDY for that one. Most of the dates are in that format. Access-date might have some backwards because it didn't have a tag for date format yet. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:59, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Additional voices no longer allowed on Wikipedia?

I am well aware thatMizukaS made a Discussion post about this issue a year ago claiming that Additional voices aren't warranted on this site and result in a policy being put in place. However, it still continues do upset me that i'm seeing that ANY mention of additional voices is removed on several actors pages regardless if it was cited with a specific source (tweet, facebook post, convention bio, end credits (on a game, movie, and show) etc...). So are additional voices completely forbidden? Because it simply retcons about Wikipedia role on using reliable sources.--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 02:37, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Discussion

Agree to Disagree, with most of you but in my honest opinion "minor roles", "additional voices", and especially the "Incidental roles be included with the following sources. Frankly it feels odd just removing additional voices on every voice actor page because usually some voice actor's websites, resumes, convention bios and to some degree Tweets and Facebook posts" will more often will feature "this actor has provided background voices in this film, show, game etc....". I feel that removing certain additional/background voices included for the anime voice actors all because of a "Tweet" or Facebook" post, I feel that seems to take it to the extreme. Besides, even if their is not other reliable source (e.g. actor's resume on website, ending credits for a specific film, TV episode and video game, convention bio, and article interviews with the voice actors) to back up the "Tweet" and "Facebook post" doesn't mean it should be removed or better yet eliminated.

• You mean this discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Archive_70#When_are_additional_voices_eligible_for_inclusion_in_voice_actor_articles?_2 where there was consensus to exclude additional voices, but to accept Tweets from verified voice actors. It just means they're off the Filmography, and that if someone really wants to look that up they can go to IMDb or those other user-generated databases that nitpick cameos. I think they can still be mentioned in the biography section if they did a lot of notable voice matching and loop group stuff for major films. Minor credited roles aren't being lopped from the list. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:50, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Case Closed

Please, can you find for me the names of these paintings in Case Closed anime series: video 1 (17:51); video 2 (12:22, 18:09). Thank you. --95.252.44.86 17:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.252.44.86 (talk)

A new newsletter directory is out!

A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.

– Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Heads up to Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt

This is more of a heads up, but? I just looked at Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt, lately there's been a slow off and on fake info added. I would do more, but I'm been busy with truck deliveries. Unblue box (talk) 03:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Editting One Piece List of Characters Wiki Page

Hello, I'm been wondering about changing restructuring One Piece's list of characters page, since it's just in alphabetical order. It doesn't have gives who's are the allies and antagonists. I think the content of characters page should look more like this:

1. Straw Hat Pirates
   1. Monkey D. Luffy
   2. Roronoa Zoro
   3. Nami
   4. Usopp
   5. Sanji
   6. Tony Tony Chopper
   7. Nico Robin
   8. Franky
   9. Brook
   10. Jimbei
2. Major Allies
   1. Coby
   2. Usopp Pirates
   3. Chef "Red-Leg" Zeff
   4. Johnny and Yosaku
   5. Nojiko
   6. Genzo
   7. Nefertari Vivi
   8. Karoo
   9. Dorry and Brogy
   10. Dr. Kureha
   11. Dalton
   12. Saruyama Alliance
   13. Straw Hat Grand Fleet
3. Antagonists
   1. World Government
   2. World Nobles
   3. Navy
      1. Fleet Admiral
      2. Admirals
      3. Vice-Admirals
      4. Other Marine Officers
   4. Ciphol Pol
      1. CP9
      2. CP0
   5. Seven Warlords of the Sea
   6. Pirates
      1. Crews
         1. Buggy's Pirates
         2. Black Cat Pirates
         3. Pirate Armada
         4. Arlong Pirates
      2. Individuals
         1. "Iron Mace" Alvida
      3. Baroque Works
   7. Other Individuals
4. Other Major Characters
   1. Four Emperors
5. Other Groups
   1. Pirate Crews
      1. Roger Pirates
      2. Whitebeard Pirates
      3. Red Hair Pirates
   2. Revolutionary Army

The link is here. --ExplorerX19 (talk) 11:36, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

The alpha order for the groups and characters is fine. The show has so many characters and sometimes characters can flop between enemies and allies as with Characters of Supernatural AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

About the article Kōzō Kusuba

Hi anime and manga people,
I declined the speedy deletion of that article. While looking around for references for Mr Kusuba's life and his contributions to the Doraemon franchise generally, I couldn't find any mention of him in third party reliable sources. What are you opinions about this?.
Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:22, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Now located at Draft:Kōzō Kusuba. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:52, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Rushed move?

Somebody suddenly created Fate/Grand Order (anime) which seems to lack unique content from the original one. The discussion barely had participation. See Talk:Fate/Grand Order (anime)#Requested move 1 April 2019Tintor2 (talk) 17:43, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Pages Don't feel like in the right category or genre

Hello. So I noticed some series such as Hellsing, Tokyo Ghoul, D Grayman, Elfen Lied, Devil may Cry, Black Butler, Etc. Are listed as Dark Fantasy? Should they not be listed under Supernatural fiction? I feel they fit that category way better than Dark fantasy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.207.98 (talk) 03:27, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

It depends mainly on what reliable sources write concerning the manga/anime's genre, not what you think they should be. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:27, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Genres must be based on reliable sources, if those series have the genre listed with an appropriate source, it's ok to leave them as they are. Don't change them just because you think they don't fit in.--Xexerss (talk) 04:55, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

You've been changing several sourced genres to unsourced genres. That is why your edits have been reverted. Also, dark fantasy is a subgenre of fantasy that incorporate darker and frightening themes of fantasy. I'm not sure why you think those series are not dark fantasies since all of those series use horror and have other dark themes. 24.149.102.47 (talk) 10:31, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

So i did some digging. My biggest problem before was the existence of "Supernatural fiction" as i assumed that and Dark Fantasy are different. Example being Dark Fantasy being in a different universe and Supernatural dealing with our own. From my research they are both the same Genre. So why is there a supernatural fiction genre? Shouldn't they be merged together? Looking deeper i noticed that the page "Supernatural Fiction" is stub. Also looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Supernatural_fiction. Take a notice how small the categories for films, Books, and Tv is. Is supernatural Fiction an actual genre? I checked the sources on the Supernatural fiction page and none of them Really define Supernatural fiction as a separate genre from other sub genres of fantasy. I also have no idea how to source a genre. Also looking at some of the sources for some pages on the genre i see some inaccuracies, such as high school DxD. i followed the source and did not see any reference to Supernatural fiction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.144.207.98 (talk) 23:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

68.144.207.98, for High School DxD, see the reference next to the genre [6] "Manga adaptation of Ichiei Ishibumi's supernatural comedy light novel series that inspired two anime series" AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:09, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Tenki no Ko

This is about the upcoming movie Weathering with You (Tenki no Ko) directed by Makoto Shinkai. I think Wikipedia lacks information about this upcoming anime film. I have been trying to improve this page with reliable citations and information. Maybe the official website has some informations. But it is in Japanese so I can't read it. And translating the site with Google translate won't do anything good either. So any kind of help would be appreciated. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 05:44, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Mermaid (1964 short film)

Please, can you create this page, linked here? For a detailed plot the video is here. Source: Ningyo. Thank you. --82.48.216.184 06:30, 22 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.48.216.184 (talk)

I don't think there are enough content to create the page. That said it is very old anime, so it is almost impossible to get reliable articles or references regarding the anime in internet. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 06:48, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

For articles or references regarding the movie in internet you can search here. Then, the page can be created, with a detailed plot after the video, where in the ending the boy turned himself into a merman and lived forever in the sea with his loved mermaid. --79.54.23.79 07:01, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

IP if you want to create the article yourself you can write a draft using the name -> Draft:Mermaid (1964 short film) just read and follow MOS:ANIME, MOS:FILM and WP:RS. When your done you can submit your draft for review just follow the Articles for Creation process. Hope this helps. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 07:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have time to do it, then someone can create this article for me? Thank you. --95.232.38.252 07:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Clean up

Please see the discussion Talk:Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works#Cleanup. I reverted an edit to the article involving 10 kylobites about the making of the series that were removed but I think it's better if more users discussed to see what's better to remove or not.Tintor2 (talk) 23:27, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

I am the editor that gutted 10KB of data from that article. The original revision was very messy, to say the least. For one, the footnote markers were not placed after punctuation, which goes against the MOS. Secondly, it is not concise - the article was unnecessarily wordy. There were also numerous grammatical and phrasing errors; it was almost like it was a rough translation from the Japanese sources. I will also admit that I only rephrased the information that I could actually comprehend; I gutted the rest because it just frankly made no sense. Either that, or I doubt its credibility. Sk8erPrince (talk) 23:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to compare the two revisions:

• Tintor's revision
• My revision Sk8erPrince (talk) 00:01, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree. 10KB is lot of data. You could have just fixed grammatical issues instead of blanking you know. A lot of relevant informations was removed. I can't say it is cleanup. You should use sandbox for further edits like this from now on. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 00:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

I would take you more seriously if only you'd stop saying "informations", which is grammatically wrong. I believe I already told you about this before. Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@Masumrezarock100: @Sk8erPrince: Due to discussion, I made the second revert. I understand the article has problems but the major removal of content makes no sense. There was an entire paragraph that talked about how Ufotable wanted to handle Shirou which Sugiyama further noted in the voice actors section due to Suwabe and him often recording together. Please reach a consensus before doing another major blanking. You can also go to the Russian Wikipedia for the content it was based on to check the content. Please avoid edit wars and reach an agreement about which parts are possible to keep.Tintor2 (talk) 00:33, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

The article as it is right now is an utter mess, and it looks like a draft at best. When it has countless grammatical errors like that, it's better to just restructure the whole thing. How does that make no sense? Also, I don't know Russian, so going to the Russian wiki isn't going to accomplish anything. As someone that is fluent in English, the current revision is very painful to read.
One more thing, just because the original article is verbose, that doesn't mean it's a good thing. For all it's worth, it just looks long; when you read into it, you'd realize that the majority of the content is actually redundant. I, for one, think that I did a great job at trimming some of the original content into more concise sentences.
Another issue I have is the overall credibility of the original content. Shouldn't we verify the content before deciding what to gut, and what to keep? In any case, I am willing to reach a consensus first before making any more edits. Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sk8erPrince: Indeed. We should verify the contents. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 01:27, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2 and Sk8erPrince: I've tagged it for needing copyediting, which I think is fair.

Sk8erPrince, in general, it's better to improve an article like this rather than revert wholesale. --Izno (talk) 01:51, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Currently having two articles at the guild but I will nominate it once the latest one, Yugi Moto, is finished.Tintor2 (talk) 02:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

That was fast. Requested copyedit.Tintor2 (talk) 02:27, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

I honestly have to agree with Sk8erPrince here. This version written by Tintor2 is extremely confusing and painful to read. If I was going to copyedit it, I would simply rewrite everything from the beginning, because it is clear that this was not written with readability in mind. If that means tightening up the prose and removing content that's repetitive, then so be it. Either you want it copyeditied or not, Tintor2. You can't have it both ways. If you can't understand why phrases like "When working on the creation of the script, Miura proceeded from the idea of generality of the series with Fate/Zero, for which the prologue of the visual novel entered into the adaptation, which was decided to as two 50-minute episodes on behalf of Rin and Shiro." are ridiculous and read like machine translation, then you really shouldn't be defending your version.--十八 02:49, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Exactly. The quote above perfectly illustrates the state of the article - a verbose mess. I really don't see how one could even make sense of that, unless they've already watched both Fate Zero and UBW. Perhaps it's saying that FZ's 50-min prologue was used as reference in the production of the two 50-min prologue episodes for UBW? And Juhachi is definitely spot on by pointing out that the Production section was machine translation, because it was. I would like all of you to spot any similarities you see between these two screencaps:

• Machine translation from the Russian wiki
• Current revision

The current revision was untweaked from the machine translation. If readability was ever considered, then we wouldn't end up with a lazy cut and paste job. I initially thought that whoever wrote the Production section was simply not fluent in English, but I never imagined it was.... like this. May as well just start over from scratch, using my revision as a base. At least I tried to write coherent sentences instead of doing an untweaked c/p job. The fact that the current revision is mostly machine translated really, really rubs me the wrong way; it is everything that an article is not supposed to be. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:08, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Consensus isn't required to improve an article. I think the onus is on justifying keeping the text as is in the article rather than for its removal. I was scanning the page after it had been added and that particular sentence made me stop reading the article. I'm fine with wholesale removal as well as I think for anything more than a snippet of text, we shouldn't rely on machine translation (which I don't feel is useful when translating languages that don't share an origin, e.g. two Romance languages). That text needs rewriting, not copy editing. I just read the Production section and counted approximately 40 sentences and I'd only leave 1 as is. Maybe find a quarantine place to put it, like a user talk page and someone can rewrite it in blocks and add it. ogenstein (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Unlimited Blade Works

Thanks to a user from the Russian Wikipedia, I managed to expand the article Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works to include far more real world information. While it still need fixes, do you think the episode list could stay in the article or it might be divided into another article. I'm not that experienced with big anime articles. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 17:55, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I would say yes. the list is overpowering the article in my humble opinion.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 19:12, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I would split it but keep the main one as (TV series), and rename the spinoff article List of Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works episodes AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:49, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh yeah, it needs to be distinguished from Deen's film. Then I guess I should add a premise section if the move is done.Tintor2 (talk) 19:58, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: Help needed!! I created List of Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works episodes but I can't move its talk page. Also, I changed the header from Fate/stay night: Unlimited Blade Works but the infobox shows up below rather than at the top.Tintor2 (talk) 23:15, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I think this one's cleaned up now? Well, except for the new issues below. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:53, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Should Kodomo no Jikan be categorized as lolicon? Is Oreimo of the incest genre?

Previous discussions:

• Talk:Kodomo no Jikan#Edit request from Reikasama, 28 August 2011
• Talk:Kodomo no Jikan#Lolicon as genre
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 72#Is lolicon a genre? And if so, is Kodomo no Jikan considered to be lolicon?

@Sk8erPrince: added "lolicon" to Kodomo no Jikan and "incest" to Oreimo. Are these genres and if so what sources/writers are we going by? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:14, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

I think Lolicon, Incest, Ecchi are genres as those are acknowledged by legal streaming services like Crunchyroll. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 06:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Ecchi is a catch all term for anything that is deemed lewd, while incest I am unaware if it should count as a genre. As for lolicon I have already shared my thoughts on the matter... If this change is done then it would be Wikipedia-wide which is why I asked input from WP:FILM. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Would titles such as Lolita (1962 film), and Lolita (1997 film) also count as incest or lolicon films? Its currently labeled as a "Drama". - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:59, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

First off, the topic title paints me in a very negative light, so I'm gonna go ahead and change it to make it more neutral and fair.

The only reason why "lolicon" was disputed on the KNJ article before was because nobody cited the ANN Answerman, myself included. In all three discussions above, not once has the Answerman been cited. In fact, the first discussion is in favor of keeping lolicon as a genre for KNJ. The second one disputed lolicon as a genre because no reliable sources were presented to justify the inclusion. As for the third one, I attempted to cite sources to prove that KNJ is lolicon, but they were all disputed by Juhachi, who claimed that they were unreliable. That's why I tried to search for sources again, and at last, I found the ANN Answerman that could help justify the inclusion.

Generally, ANN's articles are used to cite genres for anime, so I don't see the need to start yet another discussion for this. Quoting the Answerman, "This is - I think, anyway - the first lolicon title that's explicit enough to be released here with shrinkwrap, so the potential for danger is probably higher than it is with yaoi manga, but for right now I'm not sure I'd be panicked about this release."

Next, let's move on to citing "incest" for Oreimo - how is this not a genre? Just because you said so? Again, an ANN article was cited for this. Quoting the article, "Perhaps the most notable thing about Oreimo was how it convinced so many people that it wasn't about incest at all until the very end." In other words, the Oreimo's ending confirms that it's incest. This element is so notable that it's being talked about by industry professionals. I cited ANN because that adheres to Wikipedia's guidelines (per WP:VERFIABILITY). Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:49, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

The issue is more along the lines of WP:UNDUE, again including some of these genres would have an effect on all titles on Wikipedia. We need a consensus in place going forward on how we handle these. I want to add that Juhachi stated that you were attempting WP:SYNTH to reach a conclusion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

The general consensus for anime articles has always been citing reliable sources, such as ANN's articles. I'll wait for other users to chime in for this. Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:04, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

ANN is a great source I agree, my only hope is that if they are included that more sources be used to back up the notion in a non WP:SYNTH way. The fact remains that they are controversial, I would include categories as a compromise. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 15:08, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

It's only synthesis if I attempt to reach a conclusion on my own based on what I've read. Since the ANN writers explicitly stated that KNJ is lolicon, and that Oreimo is incest, it is not synthesis. Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Again if that is the case then I would feel better with additional sources backing it with a consensus on how to handle going forward. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:02, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

• @Sk8erPrince: please do not restore disputed content until this dispute is settled. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:21, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

When the discussion has gone stagnant for 2+ weeks, I think it's fair to restore the content. You are literally the only person that has a problem with citing ANN for these genres. There is nothing to settle. The fact that you dispute even reputable sources is unbelievable. You've had your chance at a discussion, so don't complain when nobody else participates in it. Besides, Juhachi stated in the previous discussion that if a reputable source can be found, then it could be cited. You should drop the stick and just leave it be. Sk8erPrince (talk) 13:43, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I am not the only person who has objected to this... you should not be the one making the decision here as you are involved. This discussion needs to run its course or be closed by someone who is uninvolved. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

It was only objected in the past, because no reliable sources were cited. As of right now, YOU are the only person that objects to this. Juhachi did not object, since he helped clean up the lolicon citation after me. Now that ANN says it's lolicon as well, that should be it. And how is it two weeks not enough time for the discussion to run its course? Sk8erPrince (talk) 13:58, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Again Sk8erPrince, this has impact beyond the realm of our project adding an alleged genre like "Incest". Lolicon is also a loaded word which can add WP:UNDUE weight to an article. ANN is nice, but I would feel better if there were secondary sources to back this up as I have said before. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

I will point out that not even the licensee for Oreimo is calling the series "Incest". [7] - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:06, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

So? ANN says Oreimo is incest, so it's incest. Do you not trust industry pros? I'm really tired of this; if 2 weeks is not enough time for the discussion to run its course, then I don't know how long it has to be. I can't even call this a proper discussion, since nobody but us two are in it. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

The WP:ONUS is on you to include the disputed content, the fact is that it is one person's opinion in a wide pool of sourcing out there. If you read WP:UNDUE it says to provide a balanced viewpoint in "sources" (not source). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Besides the whole "it's just one source" problem, I think what's getting me is incest isn't a genre, it's a theme or topic, and even the ANN article you cite talks about it as a theme or topic, not a genre? (It frames the genre as being called something like "little sister moe" stories.( That's a whole different thing, but I'm struggling with that. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 14:13, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

The fact that Kyosuke and Kirino kiss in the very end is proof that it's incest. Having a romantic attraction towards your own sibling is incestuous in nature. An industry pro just validated that. If you wanna talk about majority opinion, I highly doubt anyone's gonna deny that KNJ is pedophilic, and that Oreimo is incest. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah but now you are just stating your opinions. I think that the movie Wizards (film) should be rated PG-13 because of its content, but its not. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:29, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Stating facts isn't an opinion. Look up the dictionary on incest and pedophilia. Either way, the point I am trying to make here is that there is already a VERIFIABLE source that supports my claims. This is going in circles, so I'm just gonna stop here unless someone else brings up a new point. If the discussion goes stagnant for another two weeks, don't say that it hasn't run its course. The fact that ANN's editorial section is disputed is just unbelievable to me. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:37, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Again.... the WP:ONUS is on you to achieve the consensus by adding the disputed content. The discussion cant be closed by either me or you until the dispute is resolved. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Incest is one thing romance is another. Incest means sexual relationship between same-blooded family members not romantic relationship. Sincerely, Masum Reza^☎ 14:41, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Right, you just defined what incest is. Your point? Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:47, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I repeat, (and I don't have comments re: KNJ) my hesitation here isn't over whether the content exists in the work, but whether or not "Incest" is an actual genre. The editorial source cited doesn't define the genre as "Incest", though it absolutely states that incestuous elements exist in the work and are a primary theme/topic. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 14:49, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

(This is a general reply to the topic of if incest is a genre). First, I think there should be an attempt to prove that "incest" has been used to classify works of literature as a genre in the past. There is an incest in literature article, which gives numerous accounts of incest being featured in literature, but how many of these, if any, have been historically classified as being part of the "incest genre"? Even for a famous incestuous work like Ada or Ardor: A Family Chronicle, you'd be hard pressed to find a book seller that lists one of its genres as incest. Even the NYT review linked in the article calls it a "love story, an erotic masterpiece, a philosophical investigation into the nature of time". In other words, even if something has incest in it, and it's a major plot point, Wikipedia shouldn't be in the business of calling that a genre of fiction if there aren't reliable, third-party sources that have already done so.--十八 00:28, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Dropping the incest genre topic. No point in continuing that if I can't prove that incest is classified as a genre. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:37, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

do you know what question this person was talking about?

WP:RD/E at; reading a template and asked about it , there's a person asking about book volumes from a manga or whatever? 66.87.112.219 (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

I think you are talking about Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment#reading a template and asked about it.. It took me a couple of re-reads but I think I understand tainted-wingz question. Tainted wings is talking about the Template: Graphic novel list template and how it doesn't offer an example for chapters that don't have an official English title? @Tainted-wingsz: am I understanding you correctly?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 15:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Ah, yes. But at the time I asked this at WP:COMIC, while from the template had three different WikiProjects there (on its talk page) and I asked it on one of them. But while I was thinking that, regular comics still has isbns and have to use the template. I was leading towards asking there. But not over here. Which I should of did earlier ago. Then back from when I asked a question at WT:TV. By this archive question. You can only ask one question on one WikiProject, but not on both. (I think it was from the edit summary? And a few instances like posting the same question on the help desk and the tea house. Then which-ever question was posted first has to be at one of the two.) Tainted-wingsz (talk) 16:23, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Also I have the info to it. From the sand box with-out the volume/ book title. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 15:25, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

is this the manga Hanebado!. You wonder about? 66.87.112.219 (talk) 15:31, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

@Tainted-wingsz: Template:Graphic novel list comes with the option to provide the parameter |OneLanguage=yes - that indicates that the work hasn't been licensed and there is only one language (Japanese, in your case). I would strongly advise against translating the chapter titles yourself; that's arguably original research. Huon (talk) 23:35, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

So, I should take the info out? In the ChapterListCol1 and leave the summary alone? Tainted-wingsz (talk) 00:22, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tainted-wingsz: I'm not quite sure what info you consider taking out. At Hanebado! (and in your sandbox) I don't see English translations, only transliterations. Those I'd leave in place. The summaries also look OK to me. Huon (talk) 03:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah? Yes? If just having this; * 1st Rally {{nihongo}} is ok? But with an English spelling is mostly rejected. When I was adding the summaries and the Japanese named chapter titles. When it moves away. My thought was, with using the ChapterListCol1 where it has plainly * 1st Rally {{nihongo|Osananajimi no Hanesaki Ayano Desu|幼馴染みの羽咲綾乃です少年の誓い}}, * 2nd Rally {{nihongo}} etc. But those were from the original book's publisher/ distributor web-site. Then that info is viewed as... And could of been taken out or removed? Unless its licensed. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 13:46, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

You can remove decorative chapter headers (e.g. 37th punch, 38th period) if there is a further detailed chapter title. And then add a note such as: Individual chapters of the series are called punches, for example, chapter 37 is "Punch 37". AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:49, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

If the chapters aren't known in English but have a Japanese title, then you can just leave it as empty nihongos as with L DK. If the chapters don't have any titles but are simply numbered, then you can just list "This volume covers chapters 49-52." or "Chapters 1–30 from Weekly Shōnen Magazine" like in Seitokai Yakuindomo or Aho Girl. If the chapters don't have titles and they are not numbered, then you don't need to put in chapters, as with the English version of Otomen. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:11, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

The chapters are like how the first suggestion is. But they aren't numbered; as to chapter X title (1), (2), which means its chapter X part 1, part 2, and group it under one chapter name. Then it repeats. It's similar to Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba volume listing. Tainted-wingsz (talk) 22:12, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Case Closed -> Detective Conan again

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need an opinion about this?

There's an ip that is introducing red links to a person's name, like here. So, I'm not sure what would be next, its been a few days where they've been doing that? Tainted-wingsz (talk) 01:49, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

You could refer them to WP:REDNOT as they are probably not interested in creating all those voice actor articles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion at Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?: Sword Oratoria

Hello everybody. I've listed a move discussion at Talk:Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon?: Sword Oratoria in order to change the title either to: "Is It Wrong to Try to Pick Up Girls in a Dungeon? On the Side: Sword Oratoria" or "Sword Oratoria". Please discuss it at the talk page there, and not here. Thanks. Alex Tenshi (talk) 15:26, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Bungo Stray Dogs

I have been expanding some Bungo Stray Dogs articles, creating some for the manga, the anime, the film and the character Dazai. The film's article, Bungo Stray Dogs: Dead Apple might need an expansion in terms of plot while I'm not sure if there is a need to create an article for the characters in general. I'm only following the anime for now so I don't know too much about what happens to the cast in the manga storyline or light novels. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 00:10, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

This source talks about how much the manga has sold in Japan which might help to create a reception section. By any chance does anybody know the original material they are citing. I'm not sure if this comes as a reliable source.Tintor2 (talk) 23:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

RFC at Talk:Kodomo no Jikan

There is an active RFC discussion at Talk:Kodomo no Jikan#Should Kodomo no Jikan be categorized as lolicon?.--十八 20:55, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Using voiced by for One Piece characters list

Discussion at Talk:List_of_One_Piece_characters regarding whether it should be converted to Voiced by. Previous consensus was to keep the sentence case. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:08, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Possible new source

See this. The writer Richard Eisenbeis happens to be an editor from Kotaku, Game Pro and Anime Now, the defunct site created by Anime News Network.Tintor2 (talk) 03:05, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

New example image for Dōjinshi Wikipedia article

Are there any artists who would be willing to create a free use image as an example of doujinshi covers? One using original characters (or maybe Wikitan), safe for work, and using a more eye-catching design that is typically used in modern doujinshi. Doing a google image search for 同人誌表紙 will show representative images. Japanese text is also not necessary, and I would think English would be preferred over Google translated Japanese. -- Amanoshi (talk) 12:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Are film series article necessary?

When working in certain articles based on the Fate Fate/stay night: Heaven's Feel trilogy I found it weird there was a main article that basically sums up everything from the movies. The Rebuild of Evangelion series has a main film article but I don't see the point. On the other hand, a former used once made GA Persona 3 The Movie: No. 1, Spring of Birth which was part of a series that didn't have its own article. What do you think?

Also, are there guidelines for films' posters. I mean the second Heaven's Feel film has three posters as seen here. It kind of reminds me to the fact that the One Piece article has an older manga volume rather than the first because it illustrates more members of the main cast in contrast of volume 1. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 22:43, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Series (of any medium) articles are rarely necessary. They are usually convenient for covering the series in summary style and for covering other efforts not directly tied to each film such as advertising and series reception. --Izno (talk) 03:19, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Comment - I tend to prefer fewer pages but having a page for the entire film project seems reasonable. There are many elements that are common to all three films so it could save some redundancies. Characters, for example. By keeping the characters there, it might more straightforward to focus on who they are rather than what they do. Plus, it would simplify linking from other pages since for most purposes, linking to the series page would be sufficient. Eventually the whole series will be complete and there will likely be critiques or commentary that deals with its entirety. I think this might be more appropriate than most because there will likely be comparisons with the other two routes. LOTR is a good example.

Regarding posters, I'm not aware of formal policy. There are a handful of pages that deal with the use of images for film works but they don't really discuss which image to select: WP:FILMSHOT, WP:FILMNFI, MOS:IMAGES. There is also this, which I didn't know about before but which is kind of interesting: WP:COPYREQ. Of the three different posters, you can see the second and third being used for other purposes on their twitter feed, e.g. the red one used to announce a disc release. I haven't seen the first one used for other purposes though. Maybe I just haven't looked enough. Hope this helps. ogenstein (talk) 03:48, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Outside of anime, they are no different from the Marvel Cinematic Universe and Resident Evil (film series). So long as there is enough coverage. I dont know how this wikiproject considers it, but i think they are perfectly acceptable. Summarizing the entire production or history of the series might be good. Especially if they were planned ahead of time. whats the difference between a film series and a tv series?Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 05:20, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the responses but I'm still wondering about the films' posters. For example, when creating Bungo Stray Dogs: Dead Apple I used a poster that featured most of the characters featured in the story. On the other hand, the second Heaven's Feel movie has another poster that features more characters rather than the current which might expand coverage. Anime News Network uses this poster more whenever they they publish news related to it.Tintor2 (talk) 16:14, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I think that all three qualify as being representative of the film, which is the key advice from MOS:FILM (see below). I suspect that ANN uses that image because it seems more dramatic than the primary image (as two people lying on the ground suggests passivity). As an aside, there are two other language sites with an article: Korean and Italian. The former doesn't use an image, the second uses a text image. I don't think it's set in stone. Pick one that you like and go with it. If over time a different image becomes most representative, then consider making a change.

Lead images should be natural and appropriate representations of the topic; they should not only illustrate the topic specifically, but also be the type of image used for similar purposes in high-quality reference works, and therefore what our readers will expect to see.

ogenstein (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Mothman: Found ANN's poster and uploaded. Still, I'm not sure about is quality.Tintor2 (talk) 19:31, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I'll look at it more closely when I get home but I think that for non-free images, you shouldn't use a very high resolution. I forget the exact verbiage that describes fair use but at a quick glance, it looks fine. ogenstein (talk) 21:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I know that but I thought a bot automatically changed the resolution to a more fitting one automatically.Tintor2 (talk) 23:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2: I'm guessing that this might be the source of the original: «Poster original» and that maybe someone cropped out the bottom portion. As an aside, the image shows three different copyright holders. I think that the best image format would be png rather than jpeg, especially as this falls under the 'software' category (and it's not a photograph) WP:PIFU. Also, I see that you specified its use only in this page, which means that if there are any list pages that are associated to the film page, it shouldn't appear on them (or the film series page). As to size, apparently the guidelines are that total pixel count should not exceed 100K (e.g. 250x400) WP:IMAGERES.

I had typed the above while you made your comment so I'll add this. There is a bot; apparently it runs within 24 hours. You can tag the file with {{Non-free reduce}} and it will call for the bot. Actually, apparently posters have a more specific tag option (basically add '|type=poster' to the tag). And there is something to be done once the reduce has been accomplished; details are all on the template page. ogenstein (talk) 23:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

RM discussion for Karakuri Dôji Ultimo

I've started a discussion about the page title at: Talk:Karakuri_Dôji_Ultimo#Requested_move_29_May_2019. Opencooper (talk) 05:27, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Ani-wave

Anybody familiar with the magazine Ani-wave? I found an article that translated an interview from the magazine Ani-wave but Wikipedia has no data about it. I need information in regards to its publisher.Tintor2 (talk) 00:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Some information here: https://acghk.fandom.com/wiki/Ani-wave. Opencooper (talk) 21:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Help with the template

After creating another Bungo Stray Dogs article, I decided create the template to make the articles easier to find. However, whenever I tried editing to fix the live to the episodes list it instead sends to create something different. Any idea how to solve it? Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 15:08, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Fixed by User:Juhachi at Template:BungoStrayDogs. Opencooper (talk) 20:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Tintor2 (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.

Hero Mask

Hello. If anyone thinks they can be helpful at Talk:Hero Mask#Reception, please take a look. Halo Jerk1 (talk) 17:09, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Needing opinion

So a real life size figure of Naruto Uzumaki was released and I wonder if it's encyclopedic content so I made a section here. Would appreciate some feedback. The other editors I ping tend to be more wikibusy (or wikibisier?) so I wanted to know before adding content to a FA article.Tintor2 (talk) 20:19, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

By the way, talking about this statue. It will be on display between June and July in Changai. Would an image about it also help? Then again, I have no idea how to ask for an image in commons since statue from Tsubasa Oozora I put in the article is not a free image.Tintor2 (talk) 21:57, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Speaking about the statue, that would fall into derivative works in Commons so you should not upload your photo there.--Vulphere 13:16, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

True, there was a picture of a statue of Dr. Agasa (Case Closed) that was removed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:59, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Wait, I didn't upload anything in commons. The statue from Tsubasa is a nonfree image.Tintor2 (talk) 22:30, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

I know, that is just an advice and of course you can put your image here in en.wp.--Vulphere 08:27, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Need input

I started a discussion at Talk:Super Dragon Ball Heroes (anime) concerning the name of a character in the show. Since I don't know too much about (recent) Dragon Ball series would someone with more knowledge on the subject feel free to give an opinion. Thanks. Sakura Cartelet^Talk 02:39, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Searching for voice actor commentary

After expanding the article Atsushi Nakajima (Bungo Stray Dogs) in real world information more, I noticed I had nothing about his English actor Max Mittelman unlike the stuff I found with Osamu Dazai. I don't aim to make the articles GA but I would to provide further coverage of the character but I can't find any article where Mittelman talks about the character and I can't find anything. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 21:00, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Max talks about Ryuji (from Persona 5) a lot. You should go in that direction and expand Max's article with his Ryuji interviews. Sk8erPrince (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

The Anime Awards

Just curious: does anyone consider The Anime Awards worth listing in the awards section of any work? I looked through A Silent Voice (film) while copy-editing through awards given by film festivals and established magazines VS ones that were provided by random blogs. It seems as though The Anime Awards isn't really an award? It was presented by Internet celebrities and I've yet to see a trophy/plaque/certificate awarding the creators. lullabying (talk) 21:26, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

It's similar to the Behind The Voice Actors awards in that it isn't clear someone gets an actual award, yet voice actors love adding that to their resume. See Talk:Yuri on Ice/Archive 1 for some detailed discussions on its relevance to Yuri on Ice. The earlier editions had an actual ceremony attended by people in the anime industry and whom they called "anime influencers". But it is also judges nominated and fan-voted as opposed to judges voted. The fan voting also happens with Kids Choice Awards, but of course that one has a major broadcast ceremony. It's not quite the level of importance as the Annie Awards or Seiyu Awards or the awards they give out in Japan. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:17, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Content dispute on Fate/Grand Order - Absolute Demonic Front: Babylonia

I'm bringing this here because another user insists that all sources must be archived as well as having their authors and date of publication listed. You can compare our revisions here. As an autocite user, I find that to be unnecessary. Autocite does not include all that extra information; not to mention the formatting looks really untidy until I've reformatted them. Sk8erPrince (talk) 00:58, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Which format is more preferable?

1) Format A: Simple citations generated by autocite
2) Format B: All sources are archived; authors and date of publication are listed

• Format A - per above. Sk8erPrince (talk) 00:58, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
• It's not a binary choice, if that's what you want to present, B is unequivocally better. As for archiving, we do so preemptively to prevent link rot; you should too. --Izno (talk) 02:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

• For the record I am in agreement with Izno, Prince this is a wide scale issue that would have to be addressed at the WP:VPR if you seriously want to implement or enforce it. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:05, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

• That guy isn't royalty. Masum Reza^📞 03:16, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

How many times do I have to tell you that my username is just that - a username? Stop trying to derail the discussion if you have nothing better to add, Reza. Sk8erPrince (talk) 04:10, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

I remember that you've told me this. But Knowledgeablekid probably doesn't know. So I thought I should tell him. He did address you with "Prince". Masum Reza^📞 04:17, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Knowledge and I have known each other for a while. He can address me with any part of my username if he so desires. I've had this username since 2012 and I'm obviously not royalty. Stop stating the obvious and learn to read the room, please. It's embarrassing. So if a user has "Dog" in their username, does that make them an actual dog? Please try to have some common sense. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:52, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for the link. Can I address you with only Sk? Masum Reza^📞 07:05, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

• I have restored the article to status quo per WP:BRD as the "cleanup" was disputed. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
• I have always preferred to archive links to citations since it prevents link rot. Masum Reza^📞 03:13, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
• WP:CITEVAR is pretty clear on this: "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change." Note, the proper place for consensus would have been that article's talk page first, with a neutral notice posted here to solicit participation. Not every minor dispute needs a heavy-handed RFC, and you also have to inform those you are in a dispute with (User:PanagiotisZois) if you're taking it to another venue. As for my personal preferred style, more information is always good to combat linkrot. By all means add new citations using autocite and let others add to them, but don't make manual citations contain less info because they don't conform to your automatic tool. Opencooper (talk) 04:07, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Format B is better, but whether the citations get listed at the bottom in the References section or in-paragraph doesn't really matter. Also you can use tools such as ProveIt to pretty format the spacing and ordering of parameters within the citation. Articles that are active and not likely to require archiving don't need to archive-url stuff filled out, but if someone did that anyway and then did dead-url=no, then that's fine. Unnecessary parameters such as language=en or language=en-US or work=Anime News Network followed by publisher=Anime News Network are redundant and should be removed. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 05:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

• I prefer citation with archive but I still abide the WP:CITEVAR.--Vulphere 09:24, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Concern regarding usage of ADR acronym

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Recently, I've seen at least two VA articles where the ADR acronym is unnecessarily written out in full in the lead paragraph. There's a stubborn user that insists on writing out "Automatic Dubbing Replacement", so I'm bringing this issue here to achieve a consensus. [1][2] Sk8erPrince (talk) 11:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Here's an example as seen from the Colleen article: Colleen Smith Clinkenbeard is an American voice actress, line producer, Automatic Dubbing Replacement (ADR) director....
I'm advocating that the lead paragraph be written like this instead. Also, I'm of the opinion that the bolded example above makes the article look unnecessarily clunky and it is just plain hideous in terms of formatting. Not to mention that "ADR scriptwriter", "ADR engineer" and "ADR director" are professions; if readers want to learn more about ADR, they could read the following article. Let's also point out that the opposing party is actually wrong regarding ADR's expanded form - it's "Automated Dialog Replacement", not Dubbing. Furthermore, even if the correct expanded form were used, it doesn't tell the reader what it is, hence there is no reason for professions relating to ADR to be expanded in every single lead paragraph in VA articles. It's pointless, if you ask me.
Here are multiple reliable sources that prove the ADR acronym is the industry norm, as opposed to its expanded form. [1][2][3][4]Sk8erPrince (talk) 11:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Should the ADR acronym be written out in full in the lead paragraph?

• No - per above. Sk8erPrince (talk) 11:03, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - As an aside, I thought the 'D' stood for 'dialogue'. I'm not sure that your quest is aided when both parties involved are unsuccessful at writing out the abbreviation. MOS:ACRO is pretty clear on the matter: Unless the abbreviated form is the norm (e.g. CIA) then it should be written out in its first instance. I would expect that you could find some evidence to support your claim that 'ADR Director' is a single term as well as that 'ADR' is the generic form. ogenstein (talk) 12:13, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

If you want evidence, here you go. This is an Answerman written by an industry professional, proving that just the ADR acronym is the norm. Furthermore, I never claimed what the expanded form is; I just pointed out what the other party wanted the lead paragraphs to look like, which I disagree with. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

• Wait, I thought ADR stood for "audio dialog replacement" and not "automatic dubbing replacement" or "automated dialog replacement". Is there a source that establishes what ADR stands for? But the fact that reliable sources never expand on ADR should indicate that it is something that is most commonly known by its acronym.

—Farix (t | c) 12:32, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

It stands for "Automated Dialog Replacement" as indicated here. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:20, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

• No It's my understanding that the abbreviation is never written out full, even for written media targeting non-industry laypeople. The abbreviated form is just the standard way I've seen it. Like the nominator said, it's also part of job titles, and those unfamiliar can follow a wikilink. Opencooper (talk) 13:14, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
• No per the reasonings by Opencooper and Sk8erPrince. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:25, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
• No, it's a norm for the industry, but why can't she be listed as a "voice director" for the lead and occupation as the more common and general term, so as to not have to explain an acronym for a technical term that she didn't pioneer? Voice director is also more general, in that she could be directing voices on non-anime shows or video games that do not require dialogue replacement. That acronym can also have a {{abbr}} tag on it, like ADR. Similarly, she can be called a "voice director and actress for English dubs of Japanese anime shows". Someone needs to figure out what the official acronym is and add it in if it isn't there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:52, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
• No, as others said it is a norm.--Vulphere 13:18, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
• No - Or should that be 'support'. It doesn't take long when searching for uses of ADR to see that the full version is rarely used and generally only in an offhand manner. I think AngusWOOF's suggestions should be followed. My mistake on who was incorrect with 'dubbing'. ogenstein (talk) 21:44, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - Why use this ADR term in the first place? It's pretty much jargon that's not very well-known outside of American dubbing circles. Why not, per AngusWOOF, simply use an easier to understand term such as "voice [acting] director" or "voice actor"? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:01, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
• Comment Huh, this discussion is the first time I've ever come across the term "ADR". That said, I don't mind too much either way. Ahiijny (talk) 21:09, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
• Yes - If you're going to use in group, jargony language in an article for a general readership, it needs to be defined when first used. Cynistrategus (talk) 05:09, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
• Yes - As per Cynistrategus. Our articles are not - by any definition of the word - written for experts. As per WP:REMEMBER and WP:TECHNICAL, we use plain language because any reader might be following a link from a peripherally-related topic to the article, who isn't familiar with the acronym. If you write or work on a ton of these articles, good for you (and thanks for that, btw). But don't expect people less devoted than you to understand terms you see every day. It's uncommon, so it should be listed the first time it is used in any article. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 06:36, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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Separate pages for anime and manga?

Naruto has a single page for both the manga and the anime series, whereas Fullmetal Alchemist has separate pages. I am confused with the directions and consistency here. Can anyone explain why these are treated differently? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 10:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@ImmortalWizard: Well you can always split big articles to small articles and develop each of them further as long as the former has enough content to split. Masum Reza^📞 12:06, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

What do you mean? They all cover the franchises that first start with the manga for basic plot and characters. The Anime shows and films are in spinoff articles. The manga volume lists are in spinoff articles. Same with Attack on Titan and other franchise articles. If the origin is a video game as with Fate/stay night, then the franchise article will discuss mostly the video game first and then spinoff the other media items. If the origin is the franchise itself as with Pokemon then it is explained like that. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:50, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: Not all of them have their own spinoffs similar to Pokémon (anime) and Attack on Titan (TV series). I am surprised that Naruto Shippuden has 500 episodes, yet it is only redirected to the original manga page. As I've said, it doesn't feel systematic and consistent. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 19:18, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

ImmortalWizard, so you're basically asking if Naruto (TV series) and Naruto Shippuden should be split off from the franchise article? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:39, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF:Pretty much. I don't see a point of not doing that. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 19:41, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

You can start a split request thread at Talk:Naruto regarding that. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:42, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

I guess so, but I also think it would be much better to reach a consensus here and set up a threshold to when to a split is appropriate in general. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 19:44, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

It really depends on the series and the size split. Most anime shows based on manga are fairly self-contained within the franchise so they don't really warrant a separate TV series page, and thus just get a list of (series) episodes spinoff article. Others have enough information on its own to have a (TV series) article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree that some consistency would be ideal, but also understand that some manga/anime articles as so short that one page is absolutely sufficient I would suggest that this forum is best used to develop a consistent rather than an ad hoc (article by article) approach, even if it means pointing to exemplary (or example-ary) articles, say short, medium and large. There are enough bad examples (JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (2012 TV series)). I would suggest that the Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Anime- and manga-related articles page could use some expanded guidelines for editors, for example additional headings (eg. Setting) and a list of good examples. I might even go so far as to suggest a consistent color scheme for series episodes, but that might be too much. Ozflashman (talk) 05:10, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

If both anime and manga meet WP:GNG separately, then they can be split. An example is One Piece. There's enough information to split the anime apart from the manga.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 13:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Pretty Rhythm

I've been trying to expand Pretty Rhythm, but my main issue is how to organize it. It's a little hard to explain but here goes:

This is a series of arcade games, with the first one being released in 2010 under the name Pretty Rhythm: Mini Skirt. Throughout the years of release, the updated expansions of the name subsequently were renamed into Aurora Dream, Dear My Future, Rainbow Live, Rainbow Live Duo, and All-Star Legend Coord. What makes it even more confusing is that they all of anime adaptations of the same name but have storylines separate from the arcade games since they're tie-ins.

Then after the games ended and was succeeded by PriPara, Takara Tomy made a new umbrella title called the Pretty Series, which consists of Pretty Rhythm, PriPara, and Kiratto Pri Chan.

How would I organize the articles? I could mimic the style of Fate/stay night or Persona (series) but I'm not sure what to do. In a similar vein, this is similar to Pretty Cure VS Futari wa Pretty Cure even though they had the same market name overseas. lullabying (talk) 23:05, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

• So I think I have several options: 1) Make Pretty Series and transfer info about the Pretty Rhythm franchise over there, and keep Pretty Rhythm related to the arcade games, or 2) Make Pretty Rhythm (video game) and move game information to that article. What do you think? lullabying (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: The article seems to be fine as is - it sufficiently details info regarding the games and the anime. The anime articles also include info about the games they were based on. I don't think a large scale change is necessary at the moment. Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:29, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • @Sk8erPrince: The thing is Mini Skirt, Aurora Dream, and Dear My Future are all the same games, just different branding. If you look at List of Pretty Rhythm characters, their updates are cumulative and count as the same game, whereas the anime that's based on the games are all different. Also, one notable thing is that the current image on Pretty Rhythm: Aurora Dream is the manga adaptation of Mini Skirt and was released before the anime was announced, so I'm not sure what to do with that. lullabying (talk) 02:51, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Images can be easily changed and uploaded when you give proper non-free rationales (that's something I've been doing recently for many anime/video game articles). As for the article splits, they are completely justified since Pretty Rhythm has a total number of three anime series. Again, I fail to see what's so confusing about the articles as is. Sk8erPrince (talk) 11:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

• @Sk8erPrince: Sorry! It's hard for me to explain. I'm still kind of sorting my thoughts together and checking how the Japanese Wikipedia organized their information but here's what I have:
  • Pretty Series: umbrella name for Pretty Rhythm, PriPara, and Kiratto Pri Chan. Does not include King of Prism.
  • Pretty Rhythm: umbrella name for all Pretty Rhythm games/anime.
    • Main arcade games are Mini Skirt, Aurora Dream, Dear My Future. They are all the same game because their updates are cumulative; they just rebrand upon some of the expansions. Anime series based on them have the same title but are treated as different properties, not the same like the arcade games. (Rainbow Live gives me less of a headache because by then, the series was rebooted.)
    • Manga image used on Pretty Rhythm: Aurora Dream is titled Pretty Rhythm, but it's an adaptation of Mini Skirt.
    • King of Prism is included in this franchise.
    • Infobox on Pretty Rhythm: Aurora Dream also lists a movie, but the movie features all characters from Aurora Dream, Dear My Future and Rainbow Live. It's the all-stars series.
• I guess what I'm trying to say is if I wonder if I should make a page dedicated to the game since they're different from the anime. lullabying (talk) 16:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

But there aren't enough sources for the games to justify another split. It simply isn't necessary. The JP wiki can organize the info however they see fit; we are not obligated to mirror their format. For the record, I oppose splitting. Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:44, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

• @Sk8erPrince: Do you think I should at least separate Pretty Rhythm from other Pretty Series info? PriPara and Kiratto Pri Chan are part of the Pretty Series but the arcade games are different from Pretty Rhythm in that they don't use Prism Stones. lullabying (talk) 18:13, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  • Thinking about this, further, maybe I could try this instead? I could just replace the manga image and redirect info from Mini Skirt and Dear My Future to the Aurora Dream page? lullabying (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

114.124.xxx.xx IP hopper vandalism

Recently, there has been a wave of vandalism from an IP block starting with 114.124 whose M.O. is changing dates on biography articles of Japanese people, mainly voice actors and musicians. The IP range that I could find includes:

• 114.124.137.14 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.142.20 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.143.21 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.174.36 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.175.37 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.174.52 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.175.53 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.142.132 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.143.133 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.173.148 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.172.149 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.174.164 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.175.165 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.207.194 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.246.221 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 114.124.204.253 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Is there something that can be done about this?--十八 20:16, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

You should probably forward this on WP:ANI and request a range block. Sk8erPrince (talk) 01:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

It should be reported to WP:AIV, not WP:ANI. It will likely get handled faster that way. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:00, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

If the anon vandalizes the usual places I would request blocking such article at least.Tintor2 (talk) 01:49, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Articles don't get blocked. I think you mean they should be protected? That is one way to go about it, but we're talking about multiple articles here. A range block would be more efficient, since it's clear that the vandal in question is playing us for fools by using multiple similar IP. Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:27, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Bingo Morihashi

I already mentioned this in the video games project but I think it might help here too. Some time ago I created the article Bingo Morihashi, a writer who has done some light novels, and various stuff involving Devil May Cry including its anime and three related light novels. Sadly, I don't have material enough to include what else did he I do. I checked the Japanese Wikipedia and it has far more content about his works. Then again, it mentions his age and might include his real name. Still, I'm not sure ift there are sources to back up those claims. If somebody knows Japanese, it might help to expand the writer's article. I used a Devil May Cry artbook in order to cover some information about his works but his twitter account suggests he made more works. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 20:15, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Page move discussion

Leaving a note here that there is a page move discussion going on at Talk:JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (2012 TV series) which also affects JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (season 1). The talk page there seems somewhat dead, so I'm commenting here to generate some discussion there. — Gestrid (talk) 14:13, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

LGBTQ expirience in anime and manga.

Good day! I wanted to ask, can I use some kind of LGBTQ templates if one of the important topics of work is the experience of teenage homosexuality? I mean not just school work with a good yuri subplot, but precisely a detailed and realistic image of the search or awareness of one’s qeer identity. Solaire the knight (talk) 14:11, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Solaire the knight, are you talking about navboxes, categories, or adding to Wikiproject? As long as it's not Sailor Moon, see Talk:Sailor_Moon/Archive_7#RfC:_Is_it_relevant_to_include_LGBT_as_a_main_theme? and Talk:Sailor_Moon#Citations_Needed/_LGBT_expansion See also Talk:Yuri_on_Ice/Archive_1#Put_it_under_Category:Japanese_LGBT-related_television_programs AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I mean the genre column in the article O Maidens in Your Savage Season. The work is devoted to youth female romantic experience and one of the main girls is gradually aware of her lesbian sexuality. Therefore, I wondered if it could somehow be displayed in the template. Solaire the knight (talk) 17:43, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

I haven't seen the shojo ai or yuri labels on the reviews. Anime genre says Romance and Comedy in RightStuf [8] Coming of age seems okay. Rebecca Silverman of ANN listed a negative as "Strictly heterosexual thus far, Momoko largely undeveloped" for volume 1 [9] Penguin volume 2 says "Legendary anime creator Mari Okada (anohana, Maquia) makes her manga debut with a moving, funny, so-true-it's-sometimes-embarrassing story of high school girls coming of age together. Perfect for those looking for a manga reminiscent of Noelle Stevenson or Jillian Tamaki." so it's coming of age for sure [10] Barnes & Noble review doesn't call it LGBT [11]. Neither does The Verge [12] Maybe it can be added to WP sexuality or women's issues. Also note that Sex and the City doesn't have those genre tags, and those are a lot more explicit in discussing sexuality. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:56, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Well, the topic of LGBT is really not “very important” or the most important one in this work, its main plot devoted to the relationship between girls and boys. Another question is that this subplot is quite well developed and one of the main characters participates in it. Perhaps even two, but this is my speculation. So, anything similar could be added only after describing it in authoritative sources? Solaire the knight (talk) 21:56, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

As with WP:CATDEF, it needs to be the defining characteristic of the media, MOS:ANIME and MOS:TVGENRE, it should be described in a majority of mainstream reliable sources. There are multiple ones that describe the coming of age part, some officially classify as Romance and Comedy, although not Romantic Comedy. None show Shojo Ai or Yuri or describe it as LGBT. Sex comedy is questionable, as the manga publisher says "Far from a typical sex comedy". AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Evangelion project and episode list

I've just done a revamp of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Anime and manga/Evangelion page with the addition of relevant guidelines. Also, there's a discussion regarding a possible home media section at the Neon Genesis Evangelion episode pages at Talk:List of Neon Genesis Evangelion episodes#Home media?; input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 07:39, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Anime adaptations

So I've noticed many anime lists have been retitled to "Title (tv series)". How does it work? I think the FL List of D.Gray-man episodes might need to be moved too but how does the top image work? Do we put the logo, the first dvd or a collection of the home media?Tintor2 (talk) 17:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Its fine the way it is, otherwise we are going to have alphabet soup titles. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Wait, I was thinking about splitting the seasons from Bungo Stray Dogs considering I found some coverage by the makers and reviews. I mean I noted Attack on Titan (TV series) was changed from an episode list to an article with reception and other stuff. Is this something new about the manual of style?Tintor2 (talk) 21:43, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

If it's describing the series as a whole with development, production, reception sections, then it can go in (TV series). If it's just the episode list as with live-action seasons, and the only additional details are the lists of opening and closing songs, and related home media, then it's the episodes list. D. Gray-man should be a list of episodes. If the list of episodes can be removed, and it still reads like a decent article, then (TV series) is okay. Redirects can go to either one regardless. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:54, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Concern regarding IP hopping anon repeatedly slamming Citation Needed tags

Hello, I have a concern regarding an anon that literally does nothing but slam Citation Needed tags on List of Sailor Moon characters. The IP user in question almost never writes down any edit summaries to justify why refbombing the article would ultimately benefit it. The anon also constantly switches their IP; perhaps it's a sad attempt at avoiding detection, even though it's painfully obvious that they're all one and the same based on their unconstructive editing patterns. I'm sick of having to revert them over and over again (mainly because having to cite every 2 sentences is 100% ridiculous), so I'm bringing this issue here so that we could discuss what to do with this. I'm really at my wit's end. Sk8erPrince (talk) 23:21, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

I would ask for page protection at WP:RFPP for persistent and pointless WP:OVERTAG AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Does anyone else concur? I'm going to file a Protection report if the IP continues to spam the same tags. Sk8erPrince (talk) 00:10, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

If it wasn't an IP hopping anon, I would ask an admin to block them for their disruptive edits but in this case, page protection seems reasonable. Masum Reza^📞 00:14, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Ginban Kaleidoscope

According to the article, the anime was produced by Actas. However, according to the show's credits and ANN, it was actually produced by a studio called Karaku (a now-defunct subsidiary of Actas that appears to have only produced one other anime, with the rest of their work being outsourcing to their parent company and elsewhere). Thus,should the series continue to be listed as an Actas show and remain on the Actas template, or should the references be changed to Karaku with a note explaining the Actas connection? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:13, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Soul Reapers and Hollows

I propose we rename "List of Soul Reapers in Bleach" to just "Soul Reapers" and "List of Hollows in Bleach" to just "Hollows (Bleach)". Although they have a list inside the article its not entirely a list. They have an overview, powers and abilities, and reception sections.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 21:14, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I haven't checked the Bleach articles in a while but isn't there a chance to make a single section while cutting undue weight? I mean, sure the series has a lot of characters like the Espada's underlings, but some could be simply placed in the notable character. I mean, even One Piece arranged all their characters in one list even though the story has various, resulting in discussions in the talk page in regards to what characters should be kept.Tintor2 (talk) 22:11, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with One Piece, but I think there are enough reasons to keep them separately. They just need to be written better.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 08:36, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

The current article hierarchy has been good enough for about five years, it'll keep for another five if necessary. A grand reassessment of what is and is not useful to understanding the series now that it's over might be productive, but if you're not doing that I'd leave the page divisions alone. --erachima talk 10:23, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Concern about recent changes on Azumanga Daioh

Hi all, Recently, an anon user [ 2600:1004:b12d:835:359d:f093:c4de:57d6 (talk · contribs)/2601:484:C101:51D8:896:FDF7:97D6:EED (talk · contribs) ] has been changing the demographics repeatedly on Azumanga Daioh (([13] [14][15],[16], [17]), as well as other articles ([18], [19], [20]). I am concerned because I want to give this user the benefit of the doubt, but have had no luck in reaching out to them. I know demographics can be tricky to understand, but that this user is changing the magazine title as well also worries me. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 23:50, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

The same anon user changed the genres on this John Lennon song from "soft rock" and "pop music" to "apple" and "toothbrush". To me, this looks like pretty clear-cut vandalism ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Ahiijny (talk) 03:55, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Please report the trolling IP at WP:AIV, and request a range block. Sk8erPrince (talk) 05:23, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

One top of the demographic change they also changed the magazine the work appeared in so unless several people messed up for years it's highly unlikely that these edits are legitimate.--64.229.166.98 (talk) 15:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal with Daytime Shooting Star

I have opened a discussion to merge Daytime Shooting Star (manga) and Daytime Shooting Star. Your input is appreciated. lullabying (talk) 20:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Luck Life

I have been wanting to make an article for the Japanese band Luck Life but I don't understand anything in Japanese. It has its own Spanish version which I can actually understand but it doesn't have citations for the members. Are these type of requests suitable for another page? Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 19:53, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Wait. I found its official website. I'll see I can work on the band.Tintor2 (talk) 20:59, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

Created Luck Life. My first contribution to music. If possible, anybody check it.Tintor2 (talk) 01:36, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

We should have an article about Iyashikei, or at least some content about it somewhere

We should have an article about Iyashikei ( https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Iyashikei ), or at least some content about it somewhere, to which Iyashikei can redirect.

Thanks! - 2804:14D:5C59:8300:0:0:0:1000 (talk) 19:05, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Seasons issues

After expanding the main list List of Bungo Stray Dogs episodes with DVD and Blu-ray volumes, I tried splitting the seasons into Bungo Stray Dogs (season 1), Bungo Stray Dogs (season 2) and Bungo Stray Dogs (season 3). However, like what happened with me in the past with the D.Gray-man lists, I failed to properly show its title without the summaries. Could anybody give me a hand? Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 19:58, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Nevermind. DragonZero already fixed them.Tintor2 (talk) 00:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Naruto run

Just found Naruto run. I can't tell if it passes notability or not so I'm leaving it here. The article is too small.Tintor2 (talk) 00:06, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

It could redirect to Naruto Uzumaki as a section or it could end up its own article, like It's Over 9000!, but it should have the crappy sources removed. No Fandoms / Wikia, TV Tropes, or cite episodes. There should be plenty of anime news articles to keep it around though, like all the press it's getting today because of Area 51: https://www.newsweek.com/area-51-raid-naruto-memes-homey-airport-facebook-storm-1449574 https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/jul/16/storm-area-51-internet-meme-facebook-event https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2019/07/16/area-51-facebook-naruto-storm-military-ready/ AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:36, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

The "Naruto" in "Naruto" run is actually the work Naruto rather than the character, as it's employed by the entire cast. I'd recommend merge/redirect to Naruto as a result if merge/redirect is the agreed upon path. --Izno (talk) 12:21, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I removed the crappy sources, but I think it's short enough as WP:WITHIN to merge and redirect to other articles as with Bird Box challenge. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 12:42, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

I redirected the page but it was readded with once again poor sources, among other stuff..Tintor2 (talk) 16:19, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I created a section in the main Naruto page. Having it buried in Reception / Manga was not really the right spot as most mainstream articles are thinking more for the anime series than the manga. Whether it should still be subsectioned under Reception or Legacy can be discussed as well. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I am in favor of keeping it as its own article. This phenomenon has notability, since people have had Naruto run events around the world. I think there are adequate sources to back this up. LittleT889 (talk) 17:14, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm in favor of any article but the Naruto run was still too small. I would recommend to work in an sandbox until having enough content to work on its own. At least that's what I try doing when creating articles.Tintor2 (talk) 20:30, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Storm Area 51, They Can't Stop All of Us discussing whether to delete/merge that one into Area 51. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:38, 19 July 2019 (UTC)

Star Twinkle PreCure

There is a discussion taking place at Talk:Star Twinkle PreCure on whether to omit the star (☆) from the English titles. Your input is heavily appreciated. lullabying (talk) 22:43, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Talk:One Piece#RfC about infobox image

For those who wish to discuss. Thanks. 1989 (talk) 03:01, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Blue Spring Ride

I have opened a discussion at Talk:Blue Spring Ride to discuss whether Blue Spring Ride and Blue Spring Ride (film) should be merged. Comments are very much appreciated. Thank you! lullabying (talk) 16:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Full Moon o Sagashite

There's a discussion taking place at Talk:Full Moon o Sagashite as to whether the article should be renamed Full Moon O Sagashite per official name. Your input is appreciated! lullabying (talk) 15:37, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

How should Psycho-Pass be approached?

As some of you know, Psycho-Pass first started as a tv series in 2012. Some years later, it got a sequel and this fall there is another sequel. What I mean by these comments is how the article should be approached. Should it be addressed in the form of a first television series or as a franchise? I mean most of the article focuses on first television series in there is brief information about the other series, especially considering the movies have their own articles. Also, I have been planning to create a list for the manga adaptations of the series considering there are over 12 volumes released so far. Any advice, bold edit would be appreciated. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 20:50, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Can we look at these as seasons? STranger Things 2 and 3 are treated as seasons.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 20:54, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

It appears that the seasons instead have a number like "Psycho-Pass 2" instead. It looks like the staff wanted to change the title for some reason similar to other anime series where they add a subtitle.Tintor2 (talk) 22:09, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

I still believe that they all fall into a single anime series in my humble opinion. Unless Psycho-Pass 2 and 3 have multiple seasons.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 22:23, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Hard to say. When Funimation released the first anime series, they divided it in two "seasons" due to its length being 22 episodes. Psycho-Pass 2 has 11 episodes while I don't know about 3. So you suggest making a main episode list similar to List of D.Gray-man episodes? I wouldn't mind but after the mess I did while dividing List of Bungo Stray Dogs episodes (DragonZero helped me with that), I think it would be more suitable if another editor divided the seasons into the main list.Tintor2 (talk) 22:56, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm with the Blue Pumpkin. Psycho-Pass already has too many pages. It's unpleasant to navigate through so unless there is a compelling reason (and given that it hasn't aired yet, there isn't one) there isn't a need for another page. If that changes in the future, deal with it in the future. ogenstein (talk) 23:58, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

Wait, Blue was actually convincing to make the share the two episode lists. Do you suggest a change in particular ogenstein?Tintor2 (talk) 00:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Then I misinterpreted his comment, re: 'all fall into a single series'. Thanks for pointing it out. If the multiple seasons are linear in nature (e.g. like Strike the Blood), then I'd prefer fewer pages, which makes it easier for a reader to work through the show. If there are complexities (e.g. like Fate/Everything), then stacking seasons together could actually complicate reading. I hope that makes sense. ogenstein (talk) 00:19, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Mothman: @Blue Pumpkin Pie: Now that I realize the Psycho-Pass main article's plot section focuses on the first two seasons but nothing about the movie which takes place after season 2. To make things more complicated, the three Sinners movies take place before season 3 so I don't know how Wikipedia should cover it. Should the Psycho-Pass article follow all media's plot or just use a premise similar to One Piece?Tintor2 (talk) 19:26, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Does season 2 reference any information from the movie? If not, then probably best to keep the plots separate. But if they are closely connected then it would be a good idea to use a premise.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 19:39, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

The 2015 movie takes place after season 2 but there aren't big impacts. Instead from what I heard, the Sinners movie caused a big effect in the main storyline that will change something about season 3. I guess Neon Genesis Evangelion would be a good example to follow?Tintor2 (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Probably a good idea to just give a premise of the series then if the movies are connected to the plot.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 19:47, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Listing licensees on Japanese anime block articles?

I brought this up a few weeks ago on Talk:Noitamina#Why is there a North American license column? to no response, but does anybody else think that having the "North American Licensor" data column on Noitamina and Animeism unnecessary and irrelevant? The articles are about JAPANESE programming blocks, so it doesn't really make sense why NORTH AMERICAN companies should be listed, since they're not involved with the Japanese broadcast of the series. I think that this information is already easily accessible by just clicking on the article, where this information is relevant. It just seems kind of out of place with putting a completely uninvolved company on these lists. Alex Tenshi (talk) 12:45, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

The Window of Orpheus

There's the list with all characters, but they don't have their description yet. Can you do it, maybe with the translation from ja.wikipedia? Thank you. --79.17.233.93 07:09, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

79.17.233.93, I'm axing the minor characters. Way too many to list without description. But yes, you can google translate in a brief description for now from JA wikipedia until it can be written up AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Fushigiboshi no Futagohime

I started a new discussion about whether to rename Fushigiboshi no Futagohime to Twin Princess of Wonder Planet at Talk:Fushigiboshi no Futagohime. Please provide input if you are interested to help improve quality! Any comments are appreciated and welcome. lullabying (talk) 20:19, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

More staff roles and other additions to infobox templates

Just leaving a note here that there was a discussion about additional fields started at the talk page for animanga infoboxes. Input appreciated. --Narcia-chan (talk) 19:35, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Chinese translation

While looking for comments by Akira Amano regarding her work in Psycho-Pass I found this commentary in Chinese. Judging by Google translate, Amano talks about the cast and there is an apparent paralelism with the movie Judge Dredd. Still Google translate doesn't appear to make it clear so I don't know if it was Amano's idea or an influence from Gen Urobuchi who wrote the series. Any idea where I could get a brief translation? Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 16:45, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2: It's neither. The connection seems to be made by the article writer, a rough translation of the relevant paragraph goes: "Does this character description sound familiar to fans of English comics? It sure does! Shinya Kogami's character is really similar to Joseph Dredd from Judge Dredd. [a brief ad pitch for the Judge Dredd movies follow]" _dk (talk) 19:05, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

I see. Thanks still.Tintor2 (talk) 19:13, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Underbar dk: By the way, does the information say something about the character. I tried checking through Google translate and it says something about somebody's personality being different before something happened.Tintor2 (talk) 21:17, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

@Tintor2: Here is the relevant passsage:

"Akira Amano reveals that Shinya Kogami is also a police officer. He spent a lot of effort making the main male lead's design stand out from the simple police uniform. The anime project began a year ago, and Akira Amano was involved in the project since then. Shinya Kogami's personality was initially designed to be overly aggressive, and after several revisions do we see the gentler calm and collected man of few words persona as shown in the picture above."

_dk (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.Tintor2 (talk) 23:28, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Ao Haru Ride / Blue Spring Ride

Just a quick question: should we keep the article title for Blue Spring Ride as it currently is? The Japanese title is "Ao Haru Ride" and it is also the name that Viz Media licensed the manga under. On the other hand, the anime was licensed as "Blue Spring Ride" and the licensing came before North America acquired the manga. lullabying (talk) 16:13, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Anime with live-action segments

A lot of Children's anime and manga have live-action segments that are tangentially related to the plot of the anime. Some segments have an ongoing story, like in Pretty Rhythm: Aurora Dream. Would it be a great idea if I summarized the live-action parts as well? lullabying (talk) 15:57, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

If it’s a recurring thing in episodes, I think it’s worth mentioning them in the summaries. Usually those segments are proportionally short, however, so the summary part about them should be kept brief accordingly. --Narcia-chan (talk) 19:56, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I will definitely take into account to keep them shorter than the main episode summaries. lullabying (talk) 17:45, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Japanese titles in footnotes

Hi all,

Ignore if there's already been a relevant discussion, but I've noticed that the WP VG has recently switched to putting the Japanese titles for video games into a footnote (c.f. Haunting Ground), and I've been quite impressed at how this tiny change really does improve readability for readers who may not be familiar with Japanese, while keeping the Japanese for those who might be interested in it. It strikes me as a really excellent middle ground, and given the nature of this project, I was wondering if a similar implementation might interest people here? Best wishes, Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 15:06, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Sure it might look cleaner, but these are the original titles and character names and we should not be hiding them in footnotes. Do we do this for names of real Japanese people? No. This argument is similar to the International Phonetic Alphabet pronunciation things seen at the beginning of articles like Barack Obama, which even as a native English speaker I'd say are just as jarring as seeing Japanese. Xfansd (talk) 18:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Agreed with Xfansd. If we relegate the original Japanese to a footnote, it's as if it's not important. But it especially is in animanga contexts because readers often know the series by its original romanized title (through fan translations). In many cases, the licensed title can also be wildly different from the original Japanese. For readers who don't know Japanese (most of us admittedly, even within this project), that's what the romaji is for, and there's often a literal translation. Since we're an international project, it's important that we give due emphasis to things from other languages, and their original title is an essential part of that. I'm not opposed to editors doing this on a case-by-case basis though if a title is especially long. Opencooper (talk) 19:19, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Speaking as a VG editor, a suggestion would be that if the original Japanese title (not the one used in Western publication) is as reasonably widely known, then mention both, but you can still footnote the original Japanese characters (the kanji) into footnotes to keep the main prose clean. This probably is less an issue in video games but does come up once in a while (eg Osu! Tatakae! Ouendan). --Masem (t) 19:50, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

That's more along the lines of what I was thinking. Rapunzel-bellflower (talk) 22:58, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea to maintain some sort of consistency... but this seems more like a widespread thing to take account for general Wikipedia Manual of Style guidelines, as anime and manga aren't the only articles to have titles in original languages in lead. There are also films and names of people/places. lullabying (talk) 17:48, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Weathering with You

Hi all, I am currently working on Weathering with You to take it to at least GA status. I asked some editors for advice and they recommended me to expand the characters section. Unfortunately, I still haven't got the chance to watch this movie yet, and your comments and/or help would be appreciated. Some editors on IRC help channel, suggested me that the plot should include the movie's ending. What are your thoughts about it? Masum Reza^📞 19:54, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Can't help with the characters, but yes, plot summaries should be complete. They're meant to summarize the major points of the whole plot, regardless of spoilers. One pitfall to watch out for is to avoid any personal interpretation that isn't cited to a reliable source. If something is ambiguous, don't try to interpolate. Oh, and try to keep it within 400–700 words. Opencooper (talk) 02:38, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I am currently on a wikibreak. I will resume to work on the article once my wiki break is over. Masum Reza^📞 06:46, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

User:AnimeDisneylover95 keeps spamming BTVA source

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This user is editing disruptively on Steve Blum by refboming the article with BTVA sources, even though the credits already have other much more reliable sources present, rendering BTVA obsolete. He has also called me an "extremist" just because I reverted him and stated that he lacks an understanding of when BTVA sources should be used. What can we do about him? --Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

The FAQ section on BTVA says this when it comes to the green checkmarks: "If you notice any green checkmarks those are confirmed credits. Click the greencheck mark to see the source. Our goal is to have a green checkmark for every single role on the site so fans will know these credits are confirmed. Then you won't have to rely on other sites that don't list any sources at all." Credits (be it tweets by the actors or the end credit for a film, episode, game, etc..) are the only way that a specific actor is INVOLVED in that specific project. I don't know why most of you are reconsidering just dismissing BTVA regardless of the green checkmarks. This is becomming an issue with wikipedia in general that it becomes a vicious rinse and repeat cycle--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm not saying you can't use BTVA. I'm saying that we ought to use better sources that aren't BTVA unless they don't exist. You should stop screaming about the green checkmark thing as if I am ignorant about it, because I can assure you that I know what I am talking about. If the credits are already cited by other reliable sources, we *don't* need to cite BTVA as well. Get it? Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:47, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to make sense of the recent adds. Please see WP:ANIME/RS#Situational for how to deal with BTVA. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:31, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

AnimeDisneylover95's edits are fine. BTVA entries have checkmarks that point to screenshots. They aren't going to self-published tweets or websites which would have to be confirmed another way or tagged as primary. I commented out some that are redundant with better secondary source articles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:46, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

That's the point I am getting at - it's the redundancy that bothers me when those credits have already been cited. Generally, we should be citing other more credible sources than BTVA, anyway. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:56, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Sk8erPrince, if there are secondaries that can be cited, those can replace the primaries, but BTVA helps replace the direct cite episodes and cite video games with the screenshots by collecting and validating such screenshots. There are more urgent issues such as those filmographies that run amuck with BTVA unchecked entries. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

See also this diff: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grey_DeLisle_filmography&type=revision&diff=914181358&oldid=914179957 fixing what happens when people want to rearrange the credited names to contradict what was shown in the closing credits. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:33, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

To everybody, Behind the voice actors might come across as better than the actual episode as the common reader has no access to those credits. However, it could also be better if you find news articles that mention actors or interviews. Also, to everybody, assume good faith.Tintor2 (talk) 21:14, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I would AGF if ADL95 doesn't have a bad tendency of raging and screaming - he doesn't seem very WP:CALM when his edits are being challenged. Sk8erPrince (talk) 03:59, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Sk8erPrince says the person who has a tendency on not listening the first time regardless if being told and just brushing off the issue. And I have to concur with AngusWOOF that my edits are fine. It's YOU who just continues to acting unfelxible here.

Not to mention your edit before doing this just comes off as condescending and antagonistic:

"Thanks for letting me know that you did not read my edit summaries at all, and you also did not edit those citations accordingly to indicate that the green checkmark is there. I'm glad to know that you are engaging in disruptive editing. WP:DISRUPT"--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 19:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

K. Let me know if you have anything constructive to add this to convo. I'm not gonna spend any more time on you until you learn to stop raging. Sk8erPrince (talk) 02:34, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

And I'm not going to spend time with you until you learn to read before removing stuff especially when it comes to cited sources (e.g. BTVA Green Checkmarks, Credits, articles, etc.)--AnimeDisneylover95 (talk) 13:44, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Oh, sure. I can't read? I wonder how I could be effectively contributing to this community with nearly 9K contributions to my name, then. Really, that's such a lame attempt at an insult. I've *never* said you couldn't source BTVA, but it's clearly conditional. Now will you *stop* spreading utter lies about me? Stop being such a kid. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:01, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Voltron vs Voltron 1984 articles

I was wondering should Voltron (1984 TV series) have all the foreign language articles linked to that page. As opposed to the Voltron which is about the franchise. What are other people's opinions. Dwanyewest (talk) 02:36, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Character draft

See User talk:AbhiMukh97#Madara Uchiha's draft. The user has been working on a character draft but it appears it needs a review. I left my comments there but I actually never did a review so I don't know if I commented well. You can see the page here. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Lead's way too long. Appearance summary is too long. It should focus on Reception and general notability from external news sources. This isn't to get it to GA, so it doesn't really need a peer review. This is just to get it notable enough to accept from AFC reviewers. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:27, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I shared similar comments in the talk page. I might help in trimming the in-universe material but I don't know if that is allowed.Tintor2 (talk) 21:31, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Tintor2, sure, hack away! AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF: Trimmed most of the plot section. I'm not too good with the reception sections though so I have no idea how to reorganize it especially since the section uses multiple quotes.Tintor2 (talk) 23:18, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I provided my input, the "description" section can be deleted and merged with the plot as redundant to any added image (you can add one non free image to the info-box). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

There has been quite a clean-up in the recent days. I tried trimming the appearances section as much as possible, making the prose more neutral and focus on the other media section. The user has also retouched the reception section. What do you think? I think now it looks better to become an article but I wanna hear more responses, especially AngusWOOF, since he has also been editing it.Tintor2 (talk) 14:24, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Tintor2, do you think it would survive notability and AFD? Does it have enough secondary reliable sources? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:43, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

There are eleven sources but I don't know exactly if that is enough. The sources at least provided two paragraphs of commentary which seems enough to me at least based on other articles I edited in the past like Kamiya Kaoru. I tried Google books but there is nothing about him though.Tintor2 (talk) 16:58, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Tintor2, the Jason Thompson running commentary is okay. Also the Daniel Forster article based solely on Madara is significant coverage. That he appears on multiple independent overall anime villains lists and not just Naruto character lists is helpful too. I'll go ahead and approve AFC on this. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Perfect. I actually have no idea how to make those reviews.Tintor2 (talk) 20:05, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Red links in articles

Sk8erPrince is removing red links on Weathering with You and when I tried to revert their edits, they continued edit warring with unhelpful arguments. Just because a subject doesn't have any articles doesn't mean that they are not notable. I've read WP:REDLINKS and it says clearly that red links shouldn't be removed like that. Besides he removed an {{ill}} template which adds a link to interwiki article. I was hoping to discuss changes with him. Any thoughts on the matter would be appreciated. Masum Reza^📞 14:48, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

If you have a draft ready then show it to me - Sk8erPrince. What kind of argument is that? Again, that's not a reason to remove red links. Redlinks are supposed to show that a subject needs an article. Masum Reza^📞 14:52, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

First of all, my pronouns are he/him. Do not use neutral gender pronouns when referring to me. Secondly, WP:REDLINK clearly states It is useful while editing articles to add a red link to indicate that a page will be created soon, which is why I asked if you had a draft. And since you clearly don't have one, that means you have literally zero reason to pollute the article with red links. You have demonstrated zero evidence that whatever you redlinked deserves their own article. Do me a favor and read up WP:NOTABILITY before you start red link spamming again, please.

PS: Don't cherry pick portions of my edit summary in an attempt to mislead other editors - here's exactly what I've said: If you have a draft ready, then show it to me. If you don't, then you have *zero* evidence that the red linked subject is notable. Give WP:NOTABILITY a read [1]--Sk8erPrince (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:REDNOT, "As with other topics, red links can be created to biographies of people who would likely meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability." So is that singer Toko Miura notable or not? Would prefer to discuss that at the article's talk page, otherwise it could be put here. Miura does have an Oricon profile, but does not have any charting singles or albums there. https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/444911/rank/ Can anyone determine if Miura has a notable acting career? Does the JA wikipedia article look like it could translate here with sufficient reliable sources? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:04, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, I'm not the one that wants Miura to have an article in the mainspace, so other people would have to present evidence of her notability. But if you're gonna do that much digging anyway, then you may as well just start up a draft for her article, instead of redlinking. --Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:09, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

@Sk8erPrince: So let's say someone creates an article after you've removed all those red links. Do you plan to go to all articles and bluelink them all? I would never create a link in the first place if I didn't think she is notable. Besides, like I said before, that ill template adds a link to interwiki, what's the point in removing that? Oh yeah, you may want to rephrase your sentences a little. I never "red linked spammed" and never will. Telling me to read WP:N, I do accept helpful suggestions but clearly that was to offend me. I do have knowledge of our notability guidelines, probably better than the person, who was topic banned from deletion discussions for a very long time. To @AngusWOOF:, I asked this on WT:ANIME because with the thought that it would get more attention. The article's talk page have very low pageviews. Masum Reza^📞 05:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Sk8erPrince, redlinks should be removed unless you plan on making articles for them. Redlinks are also very distracting.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 07:05, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Could you cite a policy or guideline that states the same? Masum Reza^📞 10:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Per WP:REDLINK: Do not remove red links unless you are certain that Wikipedia should not have an article on the subject and WP:REDNOT: As with other topics, red links can be created to biographies of people who would likely meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability.

And since you have failed to present *any* evidence of Miura's notability, I removed the red link. If you have any evidence that suggests otherwise, then how about you WP:PROVEIT? You made a bunch of claims here and there, but you have no evidence to back it up. Go on, tell me that I am wrong. *You* are responsible for demonstrating her notability, because *you* want her to have an article. You say you're familiar with the red link guideline, but it seems to me that you're only selectively adhering to *some* of it to suit your modus operandi. Sk8erPrince (talk) 12:00, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

What's the point of bringing up the fact that I was Tbanned from Deletion processes in the past? The fact is, the Tban is now *lifted*, so unless I am being disruptive in that area again, being a broken record about it is annoying. Again, if you think that Miura is notable, I would like to at least see a draft. If not, and no evidence of her notability is being presented, then redlinking is just distracting. And no, it is not my responsibility to bluelink newly created articles. If you want the subject(s) to be noticed, you go ahead and bluelink them. Simple. Sk8erPrince (talk) 07:41, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

You may wish to take a look at a certain special page, which counts the number of redlinks. It is useful for determining articles that needs to be created. Why do you wish to see a draft? Having a draft does not indicate notability. Redlinks are added to the article with the hope that someone interested will create the article. That's what they are for. I still have not got the answer. Why did you remove the interwiki link? Masum Reza^📞 10:37, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

The special page is located here, if I am not mistaken. Masum Reza^📞 10:40, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

At what point did I say that having a draft = notability? If there is no indication that an English draft of the subject is being worked on, then there you have no way of determining whether or not they're notable. Someone will work on the article if they think those subjects meet our notability criteria. We don't redlink just to "push" people to do it. And really, if you've been reading my replies, I've mentioned *many* times that the redlinks are removed because you have *yet* to present evidence that the subjects are notable. If I have to repeat myself again, I am going to assume that you just WP:DONTGETIT. Sk8erPrince (talk) 11:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

I worked on ChocoMimi and Toko Miura acted as one of the main characters in the live-action adaptation. I would say she's notable enough for a separate article provided you can give reliable resources with major roles she is in. lullabying (talk) 03:45, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Then write the article or show me evidence that the draft is being worked on. I'm not convinced that the subject has any kind of notability, otherwise. Sk8erPrince (talk) 06:30, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Japanese Wikipedia shows that she's in a lot of roles; she also has a pretty lengthy Oricon profile here. She's notable. lullabying (talk) 18:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Then surely, someone could write an article about her, then. I'm not convinced that the subject has any notability until I see someone piece together a well sourced article. Sk8erPrince (talk) 19:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand the argument about removing red links, if you don't like them then just ignore them. A valid reason in my opinion would be in the case of a recent AfD which closed as "delete". - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:40, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense to assume that every redlinked subject meets our notability critieria. Many people just redlink for the sake of redlinking. And I'm not even saying that you can't bluelink the subjects once you have the articles created. You most certainly can. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:19, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Well I mean, on the flipside I tend to avoid bluelinks as quite often the trans-wiki article isn't properly sourced. Id rather have a potential redlinked article than link to a poorly sourced foreign one as the former does the least harm. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree that we should only be creating articles when we have gathered enough sources to write them. In any case, if I see no evidence nor indication that the redlinked subject is notable, I'm removing the link. The WP:ONUS is on the redlinkers to prove that the subjects are notable. Sk8erPrince (talk) 14:30, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

ONUS does not require a draft, however, so you are wrong to request such. --Izno (talk) 15:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

It's not about requirements. It's about demonstrating notability. If a draft is being worked on, then it's clear that *someone* thinks the subject is notable enough to warrant an article. That's my point. If you're trying to assert notability, then you have to prove it. I remove red links because I don't believe those subjects should have their own articles due to a lack of notability. Other users are free to prove me wrong by bluelinking the subject(s) with a well sourced, full length article, though. Sk8erPrince (talk) 16:24, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

If it's about notability, what you should be requesting is the sources indicating notability, not making a non sequitur about a draft. People can work on drafts which are not notable, and work on sources without having a draft which indicate notability. --Izno (talk) 16:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Movie pamphlet

Can a movie pamphlet be used as a reference? I found a certain interview about a movie thanks to a translation but I don't know a citation would work. I think I had a similar issue when Flowepiep and me edited the last two Naruto movies.Tintor2 (talk) 01:18, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

You mean like "liner notes" for albums? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:40, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Kind of like notes people were given when watching the Psycho-Pass 2015 movie. Sadly, I have no idea what's even the pamphlet's title.Tintor2 (talk) 15:57, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, good question. You can ask at the talk page for Help talk:Citation Style 1. There's always the generic {{citation}} one for anything that doesn't fit. If the program is placed on the web somewhere you can {{cite web}} AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:43, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

I found it online.Tintor2 (talk) 17:03, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

WP:AFFILIATE states vendor stuff can be cited in order to verify things like title or running time. So these things are only regarded as WP:RS to a limited capacity.

This is not usable for establishing WP:NOTABILITY. Also, some editors regard Wikipedia as a database or archive of every minute detail pertaining to an anime or game, and wish to list every developer credited with the work, for example. That sort of effort is often contested as WP:UNDUE. --Kiyoweap (talk) 11:58, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

So it can't be used? It's a commentary Makoto Fukami and Gen Urobuchi make in regards to their writing.Tintor2 (talk) 14:17, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Madlax FAR

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Portal:Anime and manga

Proposal to delete all portals

The discussion is at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Proposal to delete Portal space. Voceditenore (talk) 08:10, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Tsubasa to Hotaru

I'm working on Tsubasa to Hotaru, but I don't know what to categorize the first anime under. It was a short 15 minute anime that was aired at an event and was later uploaded on Ribon's official YouTube channel. JC Staff lists it as "event anime" on their official website, which isn't a category on Template:Infobox animanga/Video. There was no home release AFAIK. lullabying (talk) 17:40, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

• Wow, never mind, I'm dumb. I looked on the website again and somehow missed the "OVA" subtitle underneath. lullabying (talk) 17:46, 23 September 2019 (UTC)