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Oi, you haven't put your email into your preferences!

Only reason I noticed is that I usually ask this privately, but anyway...fancy a shot at RFA? I would be happy to nominate you. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Oi, Moreschi, I've sent you an email so you'll have my address if you ever need it. Thanks for the offer and your confidence. But... admin-ing would take too much time away from what I really enjoy – writing articles, rescuing worthy kittens from being drowned at AfDs, and helping out on the Opera Project. The latter can provide quite enough wiki-drama as it is. ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
See also [2]. Voceditenore (talk) 10:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It was a delight...Edit

...to read this brilliant piece. And I wasn't even looking for it; I came here to thank you for backing me up on the GA issue on Egardus, since that's something that's been bugging me for a while and had to get off my chest. But your essay was spot-on. Oops, there I go again, pretending to be an adult! Need to get a bouncier, animated signature ... Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make you one if you promise to give me three barnstars. ;-) Seriously, though thanks for the kind review. I wrote that when WP was in the midst of an invasion by a particularly... er... time-consuming... bunch of 13 year olds. At one point there was even a WikiProject (now deleted) that was awarding them barnstars for every 1000 edits, every 50 AfD's "voted on", every 5 (hapless) editors they adopted, etc., etc.. For a while, I and a couple of other editors spent all our time running around cleaning up after them, until they lost interest and/or got blocked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciationEdit

Hi, Voceditenore. Thanks for the beautiful rewrite on John Andrew Rea. I would prefer not having to delete noteworthy articles, but the current backlog at copyright violations leaves me little time to revise much text. (Especially in Moonriddengirl's absence.) I just wanted you to know that I very much appreciate your contributions. Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 06:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome ;-) and you were absolutely right to delete it. If you have time, could you do me a favour? I've re-written Juliette Pochin on Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. Would it possible to move it into article space. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Done. Another nice job -- and better still was your discussion with the original creator on the talk page. "...Teach a man to fish..." etc. You're a good teacher. Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 16:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! In my university teaching days, I once had a student who plagiarsed my own book in her essay. But at least it took some effort, bless her. She typed it out from the hardcopy — must have taken ages. Re "teaching how to fish...", I'm not sure how many new fishermen it produces for Wikipedia. In the Opera Project we get a lot of articles for singers, opera companies, etc. created by their agents and PR people, and sometimes themselves. In my experience, the best I can hope for is that they'll edit their article according to the guidelines in future. I have yet to find one who has ever contributed anything else to Wikipedia. Their only interest in the project is as a PR tool. Having said that, at least it results (after much red-pencilling from other editors) in one new article on a notable subject that we didn't have before. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for teaching me also, about every singer to opera and avoiding answers.com! I keep supplying singers to the project who never sing opera, last Dorothee Mields. When I found a Bach singer who also sang opera I nominated that fact for DYK, Franz Kelch, to be 95 this year, no PR involved. Unfortunately the only source for him I found in English reads like a machine translation. Any help in that case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
My god, plagiarizing the prof's own book -- that's sadly funny -- the very definition of clueless. I would suggest she switch majors. I know what you mean about bulk of submissions coming from PR types. (It's one of the reasons I refrain from offering copyright violators much opportunity to license the source website -- the promotional text couldn't be used anyway.) But, occasionally, unexpectedly, when the stars align just so... you'll come across a true angler among the crowd of daytrippers. When is that next blue moon anyway? CactusWriter | needles 19:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Assistance PleaseEdit

Hello Voceditenore. Would you please check my user talk page? Some time ago you were assisting me in the creation of a new page, ".Gabriel". As you requested, I posted my request on that page but haven't heard from you. I understand you are very busy but would really appreciate your help. Thank you!TF537 (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


Please see edit request. In the meantime, you can use put the alt in the image parameter. e.g. |image=[[File:example.png|200px|alt=Example alt text]] Racepacket (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Coming of Age (BBC TV series)Edit

I would question why the BBC are allowed to vandalise the page and put blatant propaganda on there suggesting that the response to the programme was mixed in some way, when in fact it was universally appalling. Every time real and referenced reviews are put up, they are taken down by some BBC apparatchik dickhead. Why are they not censored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "real and referenced reviews" being taken down. You deliberately inserted false and in several cases defamatory content about living people in multiple articles related to this show, as well adding as your personal commentary disguised to make it look as if it were a quote referenced from a reliable source, e.g. [3], [4], [5], [6]. You are going to get your IP, aka Oxford University, blocked if you keep it up. Voceditenore (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Travesti/Victorian burlesqueEdit

Tim just did a nice job expanding the Victorian burlesque article. Does anything need to be added back and forth between this and the Travesti article that you are working on? Just a thought. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of the current merge proposal at Burlesque (literature)? I wonder if merging it into the poorly-written Burlesque article will destroy any value (or chance at expansion) that it may have. Your comments would be valued at Talk:Burlesque. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, V. You may find this article of interest: http://www.jstor.org/pss/3826405 -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Steve. I'm going to file this away for when I next add to Travesti. I've still got a bit to do re the ballet sections. But I never seem to get the time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Keto and KoteEdit

Many thanks for re-establishing this article. During copy-edit driving I found the previous version a complete copy-and-paste violation from inception; I was the one who tagged for deletion. I have to say your succinct but elegant stub is superb, and should be set as an example of “how to do it”’. I have a tendency to reduce faulty articles to the brusque and barren, so I will log your Keto and Kote as a guiding light. In admiration. Acabashi (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Castrato partsEdit

Hehe :) Moreschi (talk) 17:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Above comment is in response to this. Voceditenore (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for watching the dead links. It's a big shame that the PeoplePlayUK site went down, as it had a huge amount of info for Victorian articles. I think that most of the content migrated somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Any idea? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, the only dead link was PeoplePlayUK. The other 2 were spam/copyvio. Anyhow, the Theatre Museum's contents are now held by the Victoria & Albert. See the V & A's Theatre and Performance collections page. If you search the V & A collections, the online objects generally come with a lot of informative text in addition to the image. See this, for example. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


I have finished my work on this. The peer review threw up some interesting suggestions, many of which have been absorbed into the article. It is now at FAC (please take a look), and I am working on improving and extending the discography subarticle. I have not done anything with the "adaptations" which were removed from the older version of the article, and it may be a while before I can get to deciding what should be done here. Brianboulton (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting it to FA, Brian! I'm going to be away for the next 2 weeks and wouldn't be able to help with an "adaptations" page anyway. One of the advantages of page like that is to keep all sorts of minor (and often very trivial) distractions out of the main article. A popular work like this is particularly prone to that kind of stuff, often added "drive-by" without references or context. But let's see how it goes. There may not be a need for an "adaptations", at least in the near future. By the way, can you get the Carmen Filmography link to work? I can't and have tried multiple times. :/ Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I will continue improving the discography article as time permits. In due course I'll open a rudimentary "adaptations" article for the purpose you describe; it won't be long before the trivia merchants start tampering with the main article. It went through the FAC process so smoothly and swiftly that I can't help an uneasy feeling that something important got missed. Brianboulton (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Smithsonian updates website!Edit

Hi Voceditenore! The Smithsonian Institution Archives took notice of your finding about Clara Hasse's death date and will be updating their records, website and Flickr! The changes should take place tomorrow. So thanks for the great find! Sarah (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. It's nice to see that the traffic between Wikipedia and its sources goes both ways. Last year I got the Encyclopedic Discography of Victor Recordings at UCSB to change a glaring error on their database which found while I was researching Stanislao Gastaldon. In the process, I discovered another and even more whopping error in New Grove Dictionary of Opera which had been propagated all over the internet, but that's Grove's problem. OK, now I'm off to give the Harvard library system a nudge over this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


Apologies if this is in the wrong place (finding out how to contribute to Wikipedia is a very steep learning curve and I've only just learnt Joomla, brain hurting!). Huge thanks for the rewriting and reformatting of the article on Dove's Tobias and the Angel. I'd only just discovered it was there and found it was so incomplete and inaccurate it needed some serious input. Having been in the project from the very beginning I felt I had the authority to write on it, and did post some material from my website - hadn't realised this seems to count as conflict of interest. But it certainly doesn't violate copyright which presumably belongs to me, and I'd like to be able to insert a photo of the Birmingham production, would this be allowed? I'd be very grateful if you had time to help me on this. Kate Quartano Brown (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Little favourEdit

A while back I did some work de-fluffing Richard Gombrich. I think it still needs some more, but I have a little learning to the most dangerous degree and can't really see the wood for the trees. I'm pretty sure the structure is still hagiographic. May I ask if you could do a quick brisk hacking back of the undergrowth? Am pretty sure that the list of publications goes way beyond the notable, too. Amuse yourself by reading how it looked five years ago almost-instinct 12:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanksEdit

I'm grateful for your clear explanation and kind welcome on my first interaction with Wikipedia. The format here is slightly intimidating and I'm wary of breaking taboos or upsetting anyone so your breakdown and reassurance was greatly appreciated. :-)

SonnySonnyWilliamson (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Giovanna GrayEdit

DYK gong archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to say, nice job on the Giovanna Gray article. Going to the old, foreign language sources is something not everyone can do, and it makes a big difference. David.thompson.esq (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, David. I had a lot fun writing that. Most of the articles I write tend to be of this type, e.g., Cristina, regina di Svezia, Mala Pasqua!, Stanislao Gastaldon, Andrea Salvadori, Eugenia Tadolini. I figure that for the really famous composers, operas, singers, etc. there are plenty of online sources, but for these, the only place people will be able to find detailed information, in English, and free of charge is Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)



What do you think of this image, which also covers an opera singer without photo? Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

It's OK, but I'd never use it for Lillian Grenville. The one of her alone will be much better for that article. It's also a much more arresting image than this rather stilted duo. But this one would be good for Gustave Huberdeau and Natoma (kills 2 birds with one stone for that article). Voceditenore (talk) 17:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Here are some more possibilities for articles and future articles with no images:

The Bain collection is very badly annotated, I'm just plowing slowly through all the images and clicking on ones that likely to be opera singers. I may find some more...

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Any idea which Stephano the Jacoby is? Niklausse is almost certainly Tales of Hoffmann, but I'm not sure off-hand about a Stephano trousers role. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I assume Roméo et Juliette she sang it many times at the Met at around the time that picture was taken [7], and her career was almost entirely at the Met. Voceditenore (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thought that would've been too high for her, since Wikipedia labels it as a soprano part. If she sang it, though, it's probably that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
The Met lists her as a mezzo-soprano (rather than contralto), and the role is frequently sung and recorded by mezzos, e.g. Kristine Jepson, Susan Graham, etc. Voceditenore (talk) 10:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Rosine StoltzEdit

Some time ago, you started the article on Rosine Stoltz. There is now a discussion about the date of her death. I wonder if you could consult your original sources and let us know. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Rosine Stoltz. Voceditenore (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Notre-Dame de ClignancourtEdit

A most pleasing new article. I'll add the church to my itinerary for a vaguely-planned, Fauré-themed wander round Paris. Don't bother to reply to this: I just wanted to express my appreciation. – Tim riley (talk) 19:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Di Fiorino et al.Edit

Ciao Voce. I hope this finds you well. Our paths once again cross in Mario Di Fiorino, and I notice your work in Gruppo del Rosario. There is a connection between Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry, the closely connected, newly created bios Maria Luisa Figueira and Mario Di Fiorino, as well as edits made by the same users in e.g. Davide Lazzeretti, Leonetto Amadei, Ganser syndrome, and Mind control. I reverted in Leonetto Amadei, and left a note on the editor's page, and subsequently tried to add info from the .it article Leonetto Amadei. (It appears that the Italian Leonette Amadei has had additions similar to the ones made to the English.) The English version has had the same material re-added. I restored an older version of Davide Lazzeretti. I have raised attention about this pattern (WP:COATRACK?) on WikiProject Medicine and WikiProject Psycholog, alas, not to much avail. Maybe it is something you would like to look into? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 21:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sam, hmmm, yes, I've noticed this interesting little can of worms. On the Italian WP, some of their stuff has been deleted outright, e.g. Mario di Fiorino, Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry and Psichiatria e Territorio (also founded by Di Fiorino) or reverted in existing articles, e.g. Leonetto Amadei, Davide Lazzeretti. Often, however, a "new" editor pops up to re-add the stuff, as happens here. The editors also use the same arguments they use here: "It's in the Italian/English Wikipedia so it's ok".
Several of the SPAs active here have been blocked for sockpuppetry at the Italian WP [8], [9], [10]. I'm not sure if they're sock or meat puppets, but without getting into outing, Google searches on their user names reveal that all are from the Pisa/Forte dei Marmi/Viareggio area. A couple are students of Di Fiorino or his colleagues, one works for a hotel in Forte dei Marmi and helps organize functions for Di Fiorino's symposia, two have co-authored articles with Di Fiorino, one appears to be Di Fiorino himself, etc. etc. I would say that just about every red-linked contributor since August to the articles you've cited is in some way connected to Di Fiorino and all their contributions here need checking. Some of them have extensively edited psychology/psychiatry articles in addition to the ones you've mentioned. Note also this sandbox. There's obviously more to come.
Anyhow, here's my take on some of the articles:
If we meet resistance from the "consortium" of Tuscan editors, then we take 'em to WP:COI/N. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Beautiful to see the logic you apply when investigating, I learned a lot. Thanks! Best, Sam Sailor Sing 00:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Want me to do {{cite books}} in the Publications section of Mario Di Fiorino? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 09:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Caldara +Edit

Thank you for the Caldara opera, here's another: La concordia de' pianeti [11], --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. You're welcome :). I've added quite a bit more to it now. Apparently, Tito e Berenice was part of contest! I might do La concordia once the German performance actually takes place. In the meantime, I'll be working on creating the other two Operas of the Month, by papa Scarlatti and his son. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. After I closed my shop completely (see my talk, - I kept the ironing lady) I suddenly feel very busy with a man whose boss is the pope and a painter stub, not mentioning the GA nom for Chéreau. Did you see that I mention singing as occupation in my own (bzzt, unspeakable)? (Derived from "Singen, singen" in the Christmas Story by Schütz). In choir, we will concentrate on Schütz and Rutter, Magnificat by both, I hope I will get in the mood until July / October / November. Certainly not if we keep losing a great editor every week, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

*taps microphone*Edit

Is it safe to come back....? almost-instinct 15:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Yep :) Great to see you, A-I! I miss those happy hours we spent de-pufferizing articles. I had to whack this one all by myself. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Mmmm maybe not so safe after all.... almost-instinct 13:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Ah, you mean below? I think you'll be OK  . I only mention it if I'm specifically asked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
It's not you I'm worried about ;) almost-instinct 11:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Anna Schoen-RenéEdit

Hi voceditenore. I just read some interesting articles on this lady and thought you might enjoy penning an article on her. Here are some potential sources:

Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 02:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow! She sounds like quite a character, 4meter4. I'm sort of up to my eyeballs at the moment, but I'll keep this here to remind me to get 'round to it eventually, if someone else doesn't first. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Sharon RuchmanEdit

Thanks for your recent cleanup/removing promotional/un-encyclopedic information from Sharon Ruchman. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi David. I'm away until the end of April, but I'm rather minded to PROD it or take it to AfD. But I'll need to do a little research first. I had a look at the talk page of the reviewer who had accepted it. Dear Oh Dear. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


Hey, thanks. Some of the articles on Gluck's major operas need more work, but I'm probably not going to touch them until next year. I thought I'd produce a bunch of stubs on the Baroque and minor Classical works then add to them bit by bit. I noticed you discovered the Gluck Gesamtausgabe online, a very useful find. Some of the information is very interesting. For example, I don't think there can be many operas where the entire cast was made up of archduchesses and the work was conducted by a future emperor.

BTW I think La danza (Gluck) is beyond start-class, at least C. There's not much you can really say about an opera Julian Rushton dismisses as "a slight work". The Penguin Guide to Opera on CD doesn't even bother trying to give synopsis, saying there is "no plot or development whatsoever." Having read the libretto, I can sympathise with that! Cheers.--Folantin (talk) 10:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Article on Leela BordiaEdit


I have made some further inputs to the said Article on Leela Bordia. Please have a look at it and give me your suggestions on whether i am on the right path and plz guide regarding corrections if any, since i am just a beginner.


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Hello, The iWriter. I assume you mean the draft User:The iWriter/sandbox? I'll have a look at it later today or tomorrow. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Voceditenore

Yes plz and thanks

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Ada Cherry KeartonEdit

You may remember doing some work on Ada Cherry Kearton. I thought you would like to now that the BBC now link to it, from http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/desert-island-discs/castaway/06c4739d#p009y95q - Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Andy. Thanks for letting me know. By the way, I haven't forgotten about David Ward, I've just been a bit busy with other stuff. I hope to get to it in the New Year. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Message from LisabyEdit

Hello Voceditenore. You may remember me from the Alessandra Marianelli bio.

I'd like to create one now for Sylvia Schwartz.

The main problem with my first attempt was that I didn't know how to evaluate the various sources of information I found. You considered many that I proposed as inadequate.

For Sylvia Schwartz, could I send you a list of the sources I've found (not their contents), so that you could tell me which to exclude?

Many thanks for all you do for Opera on Wikipedia,

Lisaby 18:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lisaby. Many apologies for this late reply! I suggest that you list your proposed sources at User:Lisaby/Sylvia Schwartz. I'm about to be travelling for the next two weeks. But I will definitely have a look when I get back. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Small WorldEdit

Dear VdiT, Tonight, as I was suggesting to my brother that he join Wikipedia, I thought to show him the Butter Rebellion article that my daughter had written. Because I hadn't visited it in years, I checked the history, and who should I run into but your gracious self? I nearly fell off my chair. Thank you for protecting its integrity!

Thank you also for helping my Berklee students again this semester. Those who solicited your help were more than amply rewarded, and we were very grateful.

Best wishes to you for a happy Christmas and a joyous New Year. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 02:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi IJ! That's a real blast from the past—it was 2007 when I stumbled onto it—and an amazing coincidence. Happy Holidays to you too and all your family, especially your daughter. Voceditenore (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Das öde HausEdit

Voceditenore, given your love for the story I thought you might be interested in creating an article on the 1817 novel by E. T. A. Hoffmann. See it:La casa disabitata and de:Das öde Haus. Not sure if there is any connection between the story of the novel and the story of Princess Amalie of Saxony's opera. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi 4meter4. No, there's no connection, despite the Italian WP article title. The standard English title for Hoffmann's short story is "The Deserted House". It's a spooky Gothic tale set in Berlin—not quite Princess Amalie's cup of tea. But... it's kind of fascinating in its own right. I think I'll give it a go. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:58, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Richard HorowitzEdit

I found this obit on baton maker Richard Horowitz fascinating and thought you might too. He was also the person who worked the longest for the Met according to Opera News; serving for many years a principal timpanist. Thought you might enjoy crafting an article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:39, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Brilliant, 4meter4! Another one for me to squirrel away. It would be fun to do an article on him. Voceditenore (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


Thanks, Voceditenore, for your gracious message. Having been on medical leave since the end of January, I'm sadly not sure who took over my courses. By September, though, I intend to be back at the helm, pointing new classes in your direction. Here's hoping that you enjoy your April break. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Julie MeninEdit

I have no financial interest, and my employment has nothing to do with this public figure. I do not understand how you think it's unsound to adopt significant achievements of this City official, while citing official government documents. As long as citations are included, there is no copyright violation. Further, you chose to blindly revert information, which was patently false (such as the birthdate -- real one could be found on linkedin), while eliminating whole paragraphs. Who do you think you are? I spent time making contributions to the Wiki community, and you think you know better? You know nothing. You're a pathetic troll. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillytv215queen (talkcontribs) 02:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Phillytv215queen, you may not paste copyright text into Wikipedia whether you "credit" it in a reference or not. The only exceptions are very brief and clearly marked quotes for which there is a clear reason to quote. I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources. And as for you adding material like "Under Commissioner Menin’s stewardship, DCA achieved a remarkable turnaround" and "creating an outreach program that resulted in an extraordinary 50 percent increase" and "Under her leadership, the Office of Media and Entertainment has launched several groundbreaking initiatives"... The fact that you cannot see the wild inappropriateness of PR-speak like that (sourced solely to what she says about herself) in an encyclopedia article speaks volumes about your editing. I did not revert any of your text. Another editor did. However, since you have re-added the copyright material, I am going to remove it. Voceditenore (talk) 05:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

The mother of tenor Adam KleinEdit

Voceditenore, I recently came across this obituary for the artist and actress and tv personality Patricia Windrow (1921-2013) who is tenor Adam Klein's mother. Since you were involved in writing that article I thought you might be interested. Best.4meter4 (talk) 08:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, 4meter4! Great to hear from you! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:57, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Another article ideaEdit

Christie Dickason- American novelist, playwright, opera librettist, and former theater director and choreographer with the Royal Shakespeare Company. She has written nine internationally published novels (Century, Random House, HarperCollins). Also wife of English actor Gary Waldhorn from The Vicar of Dibley (no idea if they are still married as they married in the 1960s while students at Yale). She lives in London and may be British by marriage. [14] [15], [16], [17] Hope this is of interest.4meter4 (talk) 05:47, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


The season, "noel, noel, noel!" - Can you take anything worth mentioning about the conductor from this to his article, please? I just get "caldi applausi", and well deserved they were, - as for your contributions in 2017! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

If you don't have the time, I just found another which I understand and support, even the term sensation. ----Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Research snagEdit

I am attempting to research a voice teacher and baritone who held some important academic posts during his career but am coming up empty handed. His name is Adrian Freni (sometimes spelled Adriaan Freni). He was the head of the voice faculty at the Institute of Musical Art (now the Juilliard School) during the early 20th century and was before (and/or after?) that the head of the voice faculty at the Pittsburgh Musical Institute. He also taught at the Stuttgart Conservatory and was living and performing in Holland before his teaching career. I can't seem to find an obituary or anything like that. It seems odd that someone who was the head of the voice department at Juilliard would go un-noticed. The New York Times archive has nothing on him. I have no idea whether he was born American or if he is from Europe originally. I have no birth or death information, or any info about his education or performance career beyond a vague source mentioning a career living in Holland. Any help you can provide would be appreciated.4meter4 (talk) 22:46, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4! I'm about to leave for Italy, but will look into this when I get back. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:02, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Enjoy your trip.4meter4 (talk) 11:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Image helpEdit

I just created a stub on Alfred Giraudet. He has an entry at the Bibliothèque nationale de France with an image that could maybe be uploaded here (http://data.bnf.fr/15782926/alfred_giraudet/). I'm not sure how to go about doing that, so I was wondering if you could help? Interestingly, I found information the bnf wasn't aware of. They have the date (by one day) and place of his death wrong. Apparently French researchers guessed that he died in Paris and weren't aware that he was living in Manhattan and teaching at Juilliard at the time of his death. I found his obituary in The New York Times, which apparently I am the first scholar to find based on the other sources out there. It's not surprising as his obit was buried in the middle of the obit section in a non-prominent place and pretty much all the other sources on him are French.4meter4 (talk) 00:51, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4! I'm about to leave for Italy, but will help with the upload when I get back. Sounds interesting, ditto the Juilliard person above. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:04, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Have fun on your vacation. Also, if French language references are your forte, here is a reference that could be used to expand the little article I started.4meter4 (talk) 11:46, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi 4meter4! I've added Giraudet's portrait to the article. I've also found a tiny bit of stuff on the elusive Adriaan Freni (above). I'll leave the leads and links on your talk page later today. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Le origini del carnevale come stagione lirica?Edit

Secondo questo, il carnevale era la stagione principale e più di moda per l'opera lirica, sia in Italia che in altre parti dell'Europa cattolica, ma non c'è niente sul perché ni le origini.

C'è questo nell'articolo it:Carnevale:

Nel XV e XVI secolo, a Firenze i Medici organizzavano grandi mascherate su carri chiamate "trionfi" e accompagnate da it:canti carnascialeschi, cioè canzoni a ballo di cui anche Lorenzo il Magnifico fu autore. Celebre è Il trionfo di Bacco e Arianna scritto proprio dal Magnifico.

Credo che questo sia il solo testo che tocca, anche vagamente, sul carnevale come stagione 'lirica', o in enWP o in itWP. C'è abbastanza (questo sopra, e Grove), credete, per scrivere un articolo enWP? Scarabocchio (talk) 11:22, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

decennio # primi nel carnevale
1680 12 **
1690 20 ****
1700 37 *******
1710 60 ************
1720 85 *****************
1730 81 ****************
1740 106 *********************
1750 128 *************************
1760 88 *****************
1770 91 ******************
1780 78 ***************
1790 47 *********
1800 37 *******
1810 25 *****
1820 14 **

C'era un picco nelle opere liriche nel periodo di carnevale negli anni 1740-1760 ma non ho trovato niente di più sulle relazioni tra la lirica e il carnevale. Ritiro la domanda. Scarabocchio (talk) 03:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

(My Italian house guests have gone :-)
Just a note .. the table above was complied by analysing the premiere dates in the OperaGlass pages. There were 985 works with a premiere date explicitly given as during carnival. Scarabocchio (talk) 04:43, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Trying my handEdit

Hi, VdiT! Discovering confusion among the Clifford Thompsons, I'm trying my hand at creating a disambiguation page. Might I trouble you to take a look at my effort? It's in my ijmusic sandbox <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ijmusic/sandbox>. With thanks for your help this past semester and hopes that you are well, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 23:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi IJ! The problem is, we don't add red-linked names (i.e. ones without an article on them) to a disambiguation page. There are a couple of exceptions:
1.If the person has an article on another language Wikipedia, e.g.
2.If there is an article closely related to the person, e.g.
Are you to referring to this Clifford Thompson? If so, he is red-linked from Whiting Awards. He won one in 2013. It might be possible to create an article on Clifford Thompson (writer), but it would need to establish notability and substantial coverage of him and/or his books beyond simply the announcement of the award (there were 10 Whiting awards in 2013). Hope that helps. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:49, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Berklee's backEdit

Dear VdiT, With Berklee back in session, my Future of Music class will be exploring Wikipedia soon. If we might solicit your kind counsel again this semester, I'd be grateful. With thanks for your gracious help in years past and hopes that you are well, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 21:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

With pleasure, IJ! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks! We'll descend on you shortly! Ijmusic (talk) 14:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
And the descent has begun. But bless you, dear VdiT, for being on the lookout for us: you visited one of our students before he had even identified himself! Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 20:05, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, dear VdiT, for your beautiful Christmas message. All best wishes in 2019 to you and your family from your Berklee fan club and from your Ijmusic (talk) 05:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

A voice from the past....Edit

...no, not a singer, but me, almost-instinct - I'm having trouble getting into my WP account :((( Have you any bright ideas as to what I might be able to do? (talk) 19:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

*heavy sigh* so much for that account, I've had to start a new one. Anyway, hello, are we still squabbling about infoboxes? ;) almost-true 20:06, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Almost-true!! I missed you! And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I've been looking at the handful of articles I created back in the day. One of them, Gary Lehman seemed to have ended up in an unsatisfactory condition*. I deleted the stuff (written by me!) that I felt should no longer be there, and instantaneously got reverted with a request to discuss on the talk page. I don't recall anyone else being involved in the content of the page other than myself, so I think I'm in need of someone sensible - ie you - to add your thoughts. See here. Thanking you in advance for your time and wisdom! :) almost-true 09:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

*which might be an apposite reflection of GL's career :/
Will nip over there tomorrow, Almost. Meanwhile, he appears to have retired and gone into real estate [18]. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that, especially your searching skills - I think I had found just one of the links you came up with (the one saying he had been replaced) GL is poorly served by YouTube, but there's a bit of a concert performance of Tristan which, once the orchestra has subsided, gives a little evidence of what the short-lived bloom was like almost-true 10:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Have you seen this charming soliloquy on YouTube? Voceditenore (talk) 11:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not very good at watching all the way through things like that, tbh (heaven knows why) so I skipped back and forth. His eyes seemed to sparkle more at the thought of his homeland than at what he went on to do almost-true 10:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for your considered edits of this page. It was very out of date so I simply wanted to add the correct facts. I tried to add all of my international work and discography but perhaps I did it wrong. There is possible citing and facts available for all of the work. Best wishes and thanks NickySpence (talk) 06:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page to keep the conversation in one place. Voceditenore (talk) 10:29, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

Shiny thing archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Thank you very much, Martin! You're very kind. I'm still twiddling with it and uploading more of his non-opera stuff to Commons too. I may eventually add a section on his style, but best laid plans...and all that. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

New Year's Greetings from BostonEdit

Dear VdiT, Welcome to the Year of the Pig! I appreciated your lovely Christmas message.

We're at it again in the Future of Music class. If we might impose upon you again this semester, I'd be grateful.

Hoping you're well,

Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 22:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Louis TreumannEdit

I'm in need of a quick bit of advice - is it permitted to create a English Wiki article sourced entirely from, say, the German Wiki? Whilst looking at The Merry Widow I saw that the first Danilo Danilovitsch is a redlink. Louis Treumann on the German wiki is interesting and appears to be nicely sourced. Could I extract information for Louis Treumann from that page, and copy over the references, or would that be verboten? (I remember someone on the Spanish Wiki once diligently translating the entirety of our Philip Larkin page, but that was many years ago.) Word of caution: his biography has a nasty kick at the end almost-true 12:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Almost! Long time no see. Yes, it's absolutely fine to do that. Just make sure you copy over the references. When you've created the article, you need to paste the following on Talk:Louis Treumann:
{{translated page|de|Louis Treumann|version=181800719|small=no}}
Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for this advice, which I have done my best to follow :) Best wishes, almost-true 13:13, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Mark Nelson (scientist)Edit

It cheers me up to see your intervention at Mark Nelson (scientist). Thank you. I gave up too soon. Best, Superp (talk) 09:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Superp! Happy to bring some cheer. I must say, I've walked away from similar messes, but not this one. I had rescued it from AfD. The article on his consulting company Institute of Ecotechnics (written by someone else) has also suffered from his ministrations. Onwards and upwards. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:22, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Italics or not?Edit

Good morning! I'm looking for the best of way of resolving what seems to me an inconsistency in Wikipedia's practice. We are not consistent from article to article in italicising the terms for different genres of opera—opéra bouffe, opéra comique etc. The Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music doesn't address the point, unless I am looking in the wrong place (by no means a possibility to be discounted), and we have an article on opéra bouffe for instance, that italicises the term and an article on operatic genres that doesn't. There are many more examples of articles that do and don't italicise the term. If, as it seems to me, there isn't a party line on the matter, I think we need to establish one, but I don't know where best to air the subject. The WP opera project has a page—by you—where the point might be addressed, and I'd be glad of your thoughts on the matter. (Apologies if there is guidance already and I've missed it.) – Tim riley talk 08:57, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Tim. I think what applies is the Wikipedia-wide MOS:FOREIGNITALIC: Wikipedia uses italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English. So... spaghetti vs. opera seria. I must confess, though, that I'm pretty inconsistent with italics in those situations myself, mainly because to the non-specialist, italicized opera seria, opéra bouffe, etc. in articles about operas and composers can make them look like opera titles rather than opera genres. By the way, the bulk of Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines was written by other OP editors starting in 2008. I split it from the (at the time) HUGE main project page in 2011 and have subsequently copyedited and clarified a lot of it. I doubt if the OP could or should take a different party line to the MOS guidance, but perhaps a mention of this issue in the OP guidelines and link to MOS:FOREIGNITALIC? I'll run this past other members at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:24, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Good! Thank you very much for that, Voceditenore. I'll watch that page and await comments with interest. Tim riley talk 13:29, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

Shiny thing archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 12:09, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Niggle1892. You're very kind   Voceditenore (talk) 16:51, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Not living up to WikipediaEdit

Hello Voceditenore, you wanted to know about the singer who might have been harmed by an inflated article on German Wikipedia. I don't know if the singer knew about, or took part in the article's creation. I don't want to name the singer. (The name is in the linked reviews, though...)

It all started with a bad review for a Rigoletto in Wiesbaden. The Intendant, who had staged the opera himself, contacted the editor of a well read German online magazine and complained about the review. Several weeks later, the situation escalated when the next opera got a very bad review, and the Intendant tried to punish the editor for publishing it. The magazine then archived all its reviews from Wiesbaden, [19] released a statement outlining their side of the story, [20] and declared not to review future productions at this house.[21]

The incident got mentioned in culture news somewhere (don't remember where I read it), and I started to read all I could find about it. (I grew up in Germany and am bilingual, though I'm not comfortable to write in German anymore. The Grammar is hard! Also, after reading or writing German, it can get in my way when I write in English.) I read the Wikipedia article about the singer, and listened to Youtube recordings of her (and was not impressed). Something about the comments seemed strange, they have been made by users with weirdly similar names. Most of them german sounding first and last names, others names of opera houses, radio stations, famous singers, or composers. The accounts have no content of their own, and exclusively featured liked videos featuring the singer. I went back to Wikipedia, looked through the history of the singers page, and found that the version I had seen first was immensely different from the one the Intendant might have seen only a month before the premiere. Significant changes had since been made, the article was toned down and most claims deflated to believable levels.

I think the singer (or the management) used insignificant appearances in Europe to make the singer seem more important when appearing in concerts in North America, and then used those concerts to make the singer seem important in Europe. That was probably how an unremarkable, unknown singer got hired at a big house, seemingly out of nowhere. This could have ended as a wonderful success story had the singer performed to the satisfaction of the audience and critics. But that didn't happen.

The online magazine is back to normal, all about the drama has been removed and Wiesbaden gets reviewed as before. But the singer's website and Opera Base entry list no more opera roles since. Maybe that has nothing to do with Wikipedia and the sock-puppet comments on Youtube, but the whole story made me aware of the responsibility that comes with writing about living people. Prior to this I thought the biggest danger would come from intentionally malicious articles. It hadn't even occurred to me, that an overly positive article might harm a career! --OrestesLebt (talk) 23:22, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

About Operissimo concertissimo, related to new article Carl JörnEdit

Buona sera Voceditenore,
You raised some concerns about the use of that website here back in 2010. Gnoming on the new article Carl Jörn, I noticed that it used as a (sort of) reference. Do you think it is worthwhile looking into it again?
Pete (also: where do you hide a baritone with a two and a half octave range but a not particularly good voice in a S-A-T-B choir? I guess the answer is probably 'in the audience') AU aka--Shirt58 (talk) 10:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

By Footpath and StileEdit

Both the Williams/Sacconis and the Farnsworth/Finzis recordings are on YouTube; but only as individual songs. The best way to build your own playlist is to search for singer+quartet+name-of-cycle.

You may have found some really interesting early stuff. I look forward to reading any improvements you make to the article. (No, I'm not an omniscient userpage stalker; but as well as trying to add as many worthwhile links in to my articles as I can, I also look for links added by other editors; which includes links from sandboxes.)

It's a pity Finzi never returned to the piece and revised it. He should have been able to retain the freshness, while removing things like that clunky near-quote from "Bredon Hill" in "Paying Calls". (I started On Wenlock Edge also; and Earth and Air and Rain as well, among other song cycles. That has been a very weak area in WP.)

I wanted to give an unfamiliar Christmas song to another editor as a present. I eventually thought of Finzi's "The Oxen". I don't know how I knew it, but I did. My best guess is that I may have heard a performance on one of Ian Burnside's Tuesday afternoon R3 programmes. A little searching turned up the cycle, which I didn't know, and the result you can see.

FYI, you are now three degrees of separation from Finzi: I once met the man who had been his landlord in Newbury (and whose WP biography, not by me, hangs onto the edge of the WP:GNG cliff by its fingernails). Best wishes for 2020, Narky Blert (talk) 23:17, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Best wishes for 2020 to you too, Narky Blert  . Voceditenore (talk) 18:41, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
By Footpath and Stile now looks really good. I like the pictures. Narky Blert (talk) 20:58, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Auguri per un felice 2020!Edit

Grazie, dear VocediTenore, for your beautiful card.

Sending all best wishes to you and yours in this New Year,

Sincerely, Ijmusic (talk) 22:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Article: Arnold AzrikanEdit

Hello Voceditenore, I am writing to you in regards of a singer Arnold Azrikan, I communicated with you in 2009 about this article. Someone in Wikipedia named Simulacrum edited my father's page in English referencing a fake article which I never ever written in English about my father. It was written in Russian by Ukrainian author Maksimenko and not by me. You can see the "source" this moderator attached to his last change and you will see that the article written in Russian and not by me. I am asking for your help. I dealt with this moderator in a past regarding his changes in Russian version of the article and had no option but to ask Russian Wikipedia administration to interfere and stop this moderator from rewriting my father's biography. Thank you very much, I appreciate your help. --Rozochka 18:39, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

I have removed the change and restored an old English version of the article but I am positive he will do it again. --Rozochka 18:42, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, thanks a lot for your recent very ethical and professional editing of this article. I appreciate it.--Rozochka 12:02, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Rozochka. I'll keep an eye on the page. While the short edit you removed appears to be improperly referenced, the article would really benefit from more biographical detail such as that which appears in this article which appears to be based on your book. You also have to remember that editors don't own the articles they create, and need to be open to improvements from other editors. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 16:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Die OpernprobeEdit

DYK banner archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 16:47, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your help with this one and all! - Today, I read that Isolde in Frankfurt is Rachel Nicholls, so wanted to write her article, which I had written, in 2013, and with a cute DYK about a Wagner role and a Bach "love duet" - a nice surprise but no good news about my memory ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Gerda. I was happy to help. Poor Lortzing! He did not have an easy life. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:47, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Berklee, Spring 2020Edit

Dear VdiT, This semester, Berklee offers my Future of Music class again. Since we'll be exploring Wikipedia soon, I hope that we might solicit your kind counsel. With thanks for your gracious help in years past and hopes that you are well, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 01:57, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

It will be my pleasure as always, IJ. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:51, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, dear VdiT, for your gracious response and for gracing our first swallows with your visits. Congratulations on your editing anniversary! Hoping you and yours are well, Sincerely, Ijmusic (talk) 22:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!Edit

Wow! 2006 seems like yesterday. Thanks, CAPTAIN RAJU.  Voceditenore (talk) 17:49, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 37Edit

Read the full newsletter

A barnstar for you!Edit

Shiny thing archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Dr. Blofeld  . Voceditenore (talk) 12:14, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

Eight years!

and today, finest voice of opera and reason ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda Arendt. You are very kind! Voceditenore (talk) 13:28, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I Removed a content of the pageEdit

Sandhyasrivastava126 (talk)12:46pm 05 March 2020

Replied at your talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 13:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Please talk meEdit

Hello! I am Vivek ji123,Sir I See My User talk:Vivek ji123 / Archive 1 and My created page The Village Song all content and infobox removed by Sandhyasrivastava126,I can not believe that you are suspecting me, I always logging do edits on Wikipedia, even if you check, after all you should not trust anyone in this world.Vivek ji123 (talk) 7:26 Am, 06 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello Vivek ji123. Can you explain why after Sandhyasrivastava126 blanked your talk archive [22], you have made no attempt to restore it? You clearly visited that page [23] after the blanking and after I had posted the warning to Sandhyasrivastava126 and informed you of that warning. Sandhyasrivastava126 registered an account yesterday [24], and within half an hour had showed up at a very obscure article you created and also blanked your talk page archive. Note also that User:कुमार मंयक was indefinitely blocked as your sockpuppet at Shiv Ram Singh Inter College. Plus, two closely related IPs ( and each tried to restore the spurious page protection template you had added to that article. Are you sure that you have never edited while logged out?
One of the other IPs who have shown exclusive focus on pages created by you [25] also edited your talk page archive shortly after Sandhyasrivastava126 did [26]. Like you [27] and the 171.76... IPs mentioned above, that IP attempted to add spurious page protection templates [28], [29]. The IP also attempted to remove a PROD notice from Talk:Shiv Ram Singh Inter College [30]. Three other IPs have also shown exclusive interest in two obscure pages created by you [31], [32], and [33]. The latter two were clearly involved in vandalism, and the first one in removing maintenance tags. All four of these IPs resolve to the same ISP and the same location. If you have never edited logged out and are not Sandhyasrivastava126, then something very murky is going on which may require administrator assistance to sort out. Voceditenore (talk) 10:51, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
Further question Vivek ji123, what is your relationship to User:Mayank123456 srivastava, and indeed to this entire group of editors? The cross-wiki and English Wikipedia evidence is pretty convincing that you are the same person, but I want to hear your side of the story before I take this further. Voceditenore (talk) 15:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

I am Vivek ji123 not Mayank123456 srivastava. but my real name is Vivek. I says always truth because My best Friend is Lord Shani.If you want me to stop editing from Wikipedia, then stop, I will not mind,But I have nothing to do with this matter, I request you to end this matter.Vivek ji123 (talk) 3:29 pm, 07 March 2020 (UTC).

Arbitration case openedEdit

In 2018, you offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has now accepted that request for arbitration, and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 23, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.

All content, links, and diffs from the original ARC and the latest ARC are being read into the evidence for this case.

The secondary mailing list is in use for this case: arbcom-en-b@wikimedia.org

For the Arbitration Committee, CThomas3 (talk) 17:25, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

reply to your messageEdit

I think you may be right. Let's wait and see before granting. Watchlisted. Cheers. -- Alexf(talk) 10:02, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry for violating Wikipedia normsEdit

I understand that what you are writing on my talk page. And I assure you that you will not see any violating behavior from now onwards. Also, I will definitely delete my user talk about CoronaVirus. Kanishk1901 (talk) 23:41, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank letter from GuoEdit

Hello Voceditenore! GuoMusic (talk) 03:59, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm GuoMusic from Berklee College of Music. I just edited EXO and added more under 2020 of their page. It was really an interesting experience. Please give me some advices and I'm looking forward to your approval!

Replied on your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:47, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Declined (Draft:Lebanese Record Labels)Edit

Dear Voceditenore, I hope you are safe and healthy and doing well, I am writing to you this message in hopes of guidance and support. Unfortunately my first ever written article "Lebanese Record Labels" has been declined by Dan Arndt, due to a lack of secondary sources. Nonetheless, there isn't enough information or references online about Lebanese record labels, which is why I tried my best to give a holistic picture of pop music in Lebanon and explain the findings of my own personal research and contacts. I have added a message on Dan's Talk asking for his help as well (I will be waiting patiently for his answer). I truly believe in my article, and I will re-edit it and do my best for it to be accepted and posted on Wikipedia. What would you recommend I do and what should be my next step in order to make this happen. Thank you so much, I am looking forward to your reply All the best RowanneMusic (talk) 23:25, 5 April 2020 (UTC)RowanneMusic

Replied on your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:01, 6 April 2020 (UTC)


Thanks, dear VdiT, for advising Rowanne so sagely. Another student has run into wikimedia\rdbms\DBQueryError, which is way beyond my abilities to decipher. (I've already posted an inquiry in the Teahouse.)

Hoping you're dealing with the current madness. Her Majesty's speech inspired me yesterday. Stay well! Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 01:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Again, thanks + a stumperEdit

Dear VdiT, You're appearing in the students' posts like Spring's crocuses. Many thanks! Here's my stumper: a student's excellent draft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rick_Beato) is just sitting there. Is there a mechanism by which he (or I) should submit it for review, or does Wikipedia just take its course? Stay well! Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 20:57, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi IJ! I've added the appropriate template to the draft and left some advice at User talk:Lewiemusic on how to use it and more importantly when to use it. I think the draft needs a lot more sourcing work before it could be accepted. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, dear VdiT. This is my best-ever class, and I appreciate, more than I am able to express, your helping us yet again! Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 15:43, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Improving an article: The standard repertoire (classical)Edit

Hi Voceditenore! I hope you are doing well and safe in these tough times we are living through. I am writing on your talk page because I recently wrote an article for IJ's vision of music's future course, but it has been declined, and I was hoping you could give me some tips on how to improve the article so that it fulfills the requirements to become a public page in Wikipedia. Here I attach the link to the draft of my article: The standard repertoire (classical). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:The_Standard_Repertoire_(Classical) Thank you in advance, Javier.--JavierOsma (talk) 16:56, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

My mission to immortalize SevishEdit

Hello Voceditenore! Hope you're in good health. Isaiah has let us all know that you are something of a Wikipedia savior, so here I make my plea. My article has been rejected twice now for the same offense, which is not having enough secondary sources. The first time was understandable, but I think I had brought enough to the table the second time to make a case in my favor. My article is about a musician named Sevish, and I have now added three reviews and an academic journal which references him several times. They may not be the strongest sources since Sevish is relatively small, but I think my article at least sits in a grey area where your intervention might tip the scales. If you could look over my article and see if it really deserves to be rejected, I would be very grateful. Bobby Raps (talk) 05:49, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Responded at your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Improving an Article: Lyric SettingEdit

Hello Voceditenore,

My name is Dani. I have written an article on Lyric Setting . I would like to improve my article. Professor Jackson has informed our class that you can help us make our articles better with your great insight. Could you give me some feedback? I submitted it for review and am still waiting to hear results. I'm excited to hear back from you!! Thank you for your help in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaniSkylar21 (talkcontribs) 21:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dani! I'll take a look at your draft later today or early tomorrow and get back to you on your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:40, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Wonderful! So happy to have your help. Thanks, Dani — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaniSkylar21 (talkcontribs) 14:12, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Voceditenore. Thank you a million times!! I am so very grateful for your help. Discovering that my article has been approved warms me to the core. I put a lot of passion into it and I could not be more ecstatic that it will potentially reach people who need clarity on lyric writing. More improvement will be made within the coming days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaniSkylar21 (talkcontribs) 06:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Petals by Kaija Saariaho - Help improving an articleEdit

Dear Voceditenore,

I hope you're doing well. I recently wrote an article for Professor Jackson's class, but, unfortunately, its submission got denied. I was hoping you could take a look at it and give me some feedback in order to improve it and make it Wikipedia approved. Thank you in advance for your time. Here is the link to my article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Petals_(music)

--Raeshouse (talk) 21:58, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Responded at your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:38, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
Dear Voceditenore,
Thank you for your wonderful help! Your creation and naming of the references was very useful. I added/repeated refs where necessary to support my research and made sure to have a minimum of 1 inline citation per section. Should I resubmit the article? Let me know if I can do anything else to improve it.
Regards, --Raeshouse (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Advice on Draft:The Standard Repertoire (Classical)Edit

Hello again VdT. Thank you very much for your quick response and extremely helpful advice. I have followed it and after tightening up my article following you indications I have incorporated it to the Standard (music) page, where it is now published. Thank you again. All the best. JavierOsma (talk) 22:44, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

Contesting rejectionsEdit

Hi, VdT! If some of my students would like to contest the rejection of their articles, what mechanisms does Wikipedia offer? Hoping you're well, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi IJ! I've replied at your talk page as it is fairly lengthy answer and you might want to pass it onto the students whose drafts I discuss there. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi again, VdiT! I will indeed pass your remarks along. Thank you for taking the time to read and comment on the ones you included in your message. Those whom you did find favor with were deeply gratified by your help, as was I. Stay well! Until next time, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 22:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Audrey Capel DorayEdit

Hello! Just a heads up that I removed the section on Victor Doray from the Audrey Capel Doray article. It strikes me that one, two or maybe three sentences are appropriate for a description of someone's husband. Having a separate section (including birth date, birthplace, education, employment and art career for Victor) that is basically an article on its own does not seem appropriate. It denies the single-person notability test, for one. It also diminishes her own accomplishments as it by delving into a different subject. Perhaps a separate article is in order? I see you have 100K+ edits, so enlighten me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure I am not.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi ThatMontrealIP. The removal is fine by me. That article was quite a saga. It was created by a close associate of Doray who worked on it together with Doray herself. Their intention was basically to create a website for her via a WP article. It was a constant struggle to keep it encyclopedic. You can get a flavor of it at User talk:Conceptual-Aesthetics. The husband might just be notable enough for a separate article, but I have no interest in starting one. The experience with his wife was quite enough for me  . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Voceditenore: I had a look at the talk page. Whew. I am just going to step away very quietly now, and hope no one notices I was here.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 07:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't blame you, ThatMontrealIP. The only reason I had added his stuff as a separate section was that the dynamic duo had plastered it into the article text and had made it completely incoherent. They haven't edited the article since 2015, so I think you're safe. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


May · Mary · Monteverdi

Thank you for article improvements in May! - DYK my list of people for whose life I'm thankful enough to improve their articles? - I have a FAC open, one of Monteverdi's exceptional works, in memory of Brian who passed me his collected sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

today a composer pictured who wrote a triple concerto for violin, harp and double bass, in honour of the composer who died and my brother who plays double bass. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:30, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Orleans Records (2nd nomination)Edit

Not sure if you are a jazz fan, but thought you might be interested in this if you are.4meter4 (talk) 21:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4! I'm not really a jazz fan, although I enjoy listening to it once in a while. But I was intrigued by the article and had a shot at finding more information about the subject. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:10, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Georgii Nelepp# Question about recent reverted editsEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Georgii Nelepp#Question about recent reverted edits. — Marchjuly (talk) 06:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Voceditenore. Just letting you know about this as a courtesy. It seems that Opera Snob would like some clarification on some edits you made to Georgii Nelepp; perhaps you can help sort things out. See User talk:Marchjuly#Georgii Nelepp edits for reference. — Marchjuly (talk) 06:18, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads-up, Marchjuly. I've been deeply immersed in chronicling this fellow whom I discovered in the course of chronicling this lady and hadn't seen Opera Snob's post on the talk page. I've duly had a shot at tackling that wall of text. Not sure how much good it will do. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:15, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for taking a look at this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:54, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know that you got "pinged" again over at Talk:Georgii Nelepp. The ping was malformed so unless you probably didn't receive a notification of it. Also for reference, the comment about me is in reference to a previous discussion I had with this editor at User talk:Marchjuly/Archives/2020/May#Georgii Nelepp edits. Since most of the comment is addressed to you, I figured I'd give you first crack at responding so as to avoid mucking things up or making them more confusing than they already are. I do think Opera Snob might slightly be misunderstanding what I posted about linking to YouTube; I'm not really challenging whether the documentaries themselves can be cited as a RS, just pointing out that those YouTube links are probably a problem per WP:COPYLINK. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:17, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi Marchjuly. Thanks for the heads-up. The weird thing is that he attempted to add the bare urls when there was already a link in the ref. You may be technically right re WP:COPYLINK, but I'm personally not too bothered. One of them is posted by the daughter of the person who participated in/made the programme (Sergey Givargizov). The other was posted by Sergei Redkin, who I'm pretty sure is not connected to the film. However, the music on both appears to be licensed properly to YouTube. Anyhow, I answered the rest of his screed and plan to avoid both the article and its talk page as much as I can  . Feel free to weigh in, though. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:23, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
If others think the YT links are OK, then that's fine. They didn't seem to be like official channels to me and I wasn't aware of any connection between the persons who created the documentaries and YT uploaders. I thought I explained my concerns about YT to him in my response on my user talk, but perhaps I just confused him even more. Anyway, I wait and see if he responds to your last post before deciding if further comment is needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

New Orleans Records citation formatEdit

I'm curious why you don't use the pop up menu for citations, as on the article for New Orleans Records. It's easier and faster. If you need help with that, click on my name.
Vmavanti (talk) 17:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I prefer my method. For me it is very quick and very easy and far less fiddly than the templates. I also find the various citation templates too restrictive/inflexible at times. Voceditenore (talk) 18:07, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

New Orleans RecordsEdit

I noticed your interest in New Orleans Records. When do you plan to work on the article?Vmavanti (talk) 16:30, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

I have worked on it [34], expanding it to give further basic information about its history, the two different owners, more of the artists who recorded on that label as well as adding 9 more references. It's a short but viable article. At the moment I don't plan to do much more work on it apart from slightly expanding the first paragraph about the early days under Blackstone. Voceditenore (talk) 17:38, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 39, May – June 2020Edit

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Copyright violation process questionEdit

I have spotted a text copyright violation on the Hollywood (American TV series) Hollywood (miniseries) article, an 87-word section plagiarized (only a few words changed) from https://www.slashfilm.com/hollywood-netflix/ . It was added at this diff, 20 Feb 2020. I know of admins deleting histories and/or articles because a whole article is copyvio, but I have never seen how a small-scale incident is handled.
Do I list it on WP:COPYPROB for today's date if a) it is only a section and b) I have already removed it? Thanks for your help.--MattMauler (talk) 22:09, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi MattMauler. Many apologies for the late reply. Your query got lost in the preparations for my annual Italian August. Will answer soon, if someone hasn't already done so. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


Added four sixeight new FPs to this. I think I did alright, but if you would care to check? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 22:14, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

By the way, if you're at all interested in a little French translation, I have some plot summaries for Bacchus (opera) I'd really love to get added to the page. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.3% of all FPs 19:22, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hi Adam. Sorry about the late reply. I'm in Italy on my annual "August Away From Desk". Will get to this as soon as I get back and look at the FPs too. Best, Jean
No worries! Have fun! I've set up everything except the one that passes the day after tomorrow, which I just sort of half set up so I don't forget about it. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 14:50, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Summer greetingsEdit

pale globe-thistle above the Rhine

I hope you can enjoy music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gerda! I'm at our house in Italy. Not much music but lots and lots of sunshine and swimming in the sea. I don't usually check my watchlist when I'm here, but another editor kindly pinged me about the bizarre Michael Hannon AfD the other day. I had completely forgotten that I had written that article. I'll be back to "work" on Wikipedia on September 5th. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, Voce. So nice to hear the soft voice of sunshine and swimming, instead of some bizarre things around here. (... like someone removing the infobox from my No. 1 Psalm article (Sing a new song ...), three times, and giving me a 3RR template after my second revert.) Anyway, nothing serious, enjoy your time away. On the positive side: Smerus, in real life, is behind the first live opera in London after the lockdown, and yesterday, Monteverdi's operas were featured topic, and a Polish singer who appeared with Maria Callas was on DYK, and I linked to what you wrote about Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:20, 22 August 2020 (UTC)


Hi Voceditenore. Hope you are well. In the midst of my graduate studies in musicology this semester, I have come across a term new to me: acoustemology. Wikipedia does not address this term, although we do have an article on sound studies. I’m honestly not sure if there is a distinction between the two, or if acoustemology is a specific area of focus within sound studies. I thought you might enjoy addressing the gap in the encyclopedia.4meter4 (talk) 14:11, 25 August 2020 (UTC)


Dahlias in Walsdorf

I like today's Main page, with the TFA on the anniversary day (of both dedication and our concert), - more on my talk, mostly about the tribute to Brian who shared his sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

I should give you the apples also ;) - Thank you for adding to Livietta e Tracollo. What do you think about the reverts for Bizet's operas and others? (That Pergolesi work seems simply overlooked in a batch process.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gerda! You're welcome. I plan to add a lot more to Livietta and Tracollo's adventures over the next few days. There's a fair amount written about it. As for your question, a diplomatic "no comment" from me. As my grandmother would say (often with a sigh), pazienza! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:28, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
I thanked someone for diplomacy already today, - different field ;) - today's music on the Main page is particularly charming, - "enchanting", said a critic about the Mendelssohn that I heard on 3 October, - this video is older, and the YT in the article comes with a Bach encore as she played for us. Much better than arguing about templates, and more spirit. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Portal:Opera/Selected picture/141Edit

Could you check this one? It's one of the more awkward ones to caption, as it has so many people in it. I just linked it to Villa Verdi in the end. It may be improvable. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.6% of all FPs 20:57, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Adam. Fab foto! I've done a light copyedit and de-bolded the "standing" and "seated" labels to make the presentation a little less cluttered. Interestingly, only a few months later the same photographer, Giulio Rossi, photographed Verdi on his death bed in Milan [35]. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

A (Merrie) English christmasEdit

Dott.ma Voce, ti ringrazio per i tuoi auguri. I reciprocate your greetings, with a wonderful passage from TH White's The Once and Future King

It was Christmas night in The Castle of the Forest Sauvage, and all around the castle the snow lay as it ought to lie. It hung heavily on the battlements, like thick icing on a very good cake, and in a few convenient places it modestly turned itself into the clearest icicles of the greatest possible length. It hung on the boughs of the forest trees in rounded lumps, even better than apple-blossom, and occasionally slid off the roofs of the village when it saw the chance of falling on some amusing character and giving pleasure to all. The boys made snowballs with it, but never put stones in them to hurt each other, and the dogs, when they were taken out to scombre, bit it and rolled in it, and looked surprised but delighted when they vanished into the bigger drifts. There was skating on the moat, which roared with the gliding bones which they used for skates, while hot chestnuts and spiced mead were served on the bank to all and sundry. The owls hooted. The cooks put out plenty of crumbs for the small birds. The villagers brought out their red mufflers. Sir Ector's face shone redder even than these. And reddest of all shone the cottage fires down the main street of an evening while the winds howled outside and the old English wolves wandered about slavering in an appropriate manner, or sometimes peeping in at the key-holes with their bloody-red eyes.

It was Christmas night and the proper things had been done. The whole village had come to dinner in hall. There had been boar's head and venison and pork and beef and mutton and capons - but no turkey, because this bird had not yet been invented. There had been plum pudding and snap-dragon, with blue fire on the tips of one's fingers, and as much mead as anybody could drink. Sir Ector's health had been drunk with ‘Best respects, Measter,”or ‘Best compliments of the Season, my lords and ladies, and many of them.” There had been mummers to play an exciting dramatic presentation of a story in which St George and a Saracen and a funny Doctor did surprising things, also carol-singers who rendered ‘Adeste Fideles' and ‘I Sing of a Maiden,’ in high, clear, tenor voices. After that, those children who had not been sick from their dinner played Hoodman Blind and other appropriate games, while the young men and maidens danced morris dances in the middle, the tables having been cleared away. The old folks sat round the walls holding glasses of mead in their hands and feeling thankful that they were past such capers, hoppings and skippings, while those children who had not been sick sat with them, and soon went to sleep, the small heads leaning against their shoulders.

I really must reread the book (yet) again, but first I must retire to the kitchen to warm some mead ..

All best wishes to you and yours, and here's hoping for a much happier new year in 2021, Scarabocchio (talk) 15:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Scarabocchio! What a lovely passage. I read The Once and Future King in high school almost 60 years ago. Makes me want to read it again. Best wishes to you and yours too, and yes, for a much happier 2021. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


I think it was the first time in 50 or 60 years that I could not go to midnight mass. Fortunately I was able to watch this live streamed one on the BBC and pretend I was in the cathedral in Udon Thani, although of course it came 7 hours late for me in my time zone. The choir was wonderful. Felice anno nuovo, Voce! 😋 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Bonjour / HelloEdit

Je souhaite m'entretenir avec vous au sujet de la page sur Victor Sieg. J'aimerai savoir ce qui vous a pousser à la faire. I want to talk to you about the Victor Sieg Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lou2105 (talkcontribs) 21:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello Lou2105. What in the article would you like to talk about? Voceditenore (talk) 12:24, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


I can't speak well on Wikipedia. My email is <redacted>. I want to ask you questions for the culture of my family. I am a descendant of Victor Sieg's brother Constantin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lou2105 (talkcontribs) 18:00, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello again Lou2105. I prefer to keep all communication on Wikipedia. So if you have any questions or comments to make, please feel free to write them here. However, I'm afraid I don't know any more about Victor Sieg or his family than what is already in the article. Also, I have redacted your email address for your own privacy. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 11:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, and Happy New Year!Edit

Thank you, dear Voce di tenore, for your beautiful and musical Christmas greeting. I'm on leave of absence this year, planned since Autumn 2019, but timely, since Berklee, like so many US colleges, suffers from COVID restrictions: last semester was all via Zoom; this semester will be hybrid.

Wishing you a happy and healthy 2021, with thanks for your inestimable assistance through the years! Ijmusic (talk) 20:34, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

WP 20Edit


Thank you for good wishes! - Happy Wikipedia 20, - proud of a little bit on the Main page today (and even opera + Germany, and GRuban found such a great pic!), and 5 years ago, and 10 years ago, look: create a new style - revive - complete! I sang in the revival mentioned. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:38, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

... and today Jerome Kohl, remembered in friendship - I guess I also take that to the project talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:40, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!Edit

Thank you CAPTAIN RAJU! It was in 2006. Seems like yesterday. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:47, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Books & Bytes - Issue 42Edit

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Global University Systems pages being vandalised by employeesEdit

Dear Voceditenore - I have comes across some wiki pages linked to Global University Systems that I have tried to curate and maintain but are being vandalised by employees who, from a look at their history, have been doing so for a while now without repercussions. I keep trying to undo the acts of vandalism - particularly on Pearl Academy and University of Petroleum and Energy Studies pages - but I think the users doing it don't care. The Carl Lygo page is one such example. The user was warned by another editor, but to no avail. I see that you have stepped in to help with the Global University Systems pages in the past. Could you kindly look into this again? Thanks, HEwonk (talk) 14:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi HEwonk. I don't think this is vandalism per se. Rather, potential conflict of interest editing. And to tell the truth, not all of it is inaccurate. For example, I have updated (with a reference) the Carl Lygo article. See my note on Talk:Carl Lygo concerning my edit and conflict of interest editing. Although the original addition of the information was from an editor with the name of the subject, the information was actually correct and not expressed in a promotional manner.
The situation with Pearl Academy and University of Petroleum and Energy Studies is rather more complex and the changes are not necessarily vandalism. While they are technically owned by Global University Systems, their charters under the education societies which run them stipulate that all profits must be plowed back into the schools. Thus, money cannot be directly realized from the owners' investment. They were and remain non-profit. This is one of the main reasons Laureate sold them. GUS gets around this by "partnering" with the schools instead to provide services and access to programs in other institutions for which GUS is paid through GUS Global Services. If you check the GUS website, you'll see that they are not listed as GUS-owned and operated institutions, and in fact, not listed at all [36]. I thinks it's valid to say they are owned by GUS but not operated by them in the way that the word is normally understood. I suggest you take any further problems/disagreements to the talk pages of these articles. I'll keep them on watch and leave a note about COI on the talk pages. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:39, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
Thank you Voceditenore. You do such an amazing job here. I am still only a couple of years into contributing to wikipedia, but I felt like I should tell you that. Best wishes, HEwonk (talk) 17:15, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Deletion of old opera templatesEdit

I haven't been keeping track of this issue much, but probably got involved in this round because I happened to have a watch set on Cavalli's Ercole amante. Thank you for your comments. I wanted to ask about the composer pictures. I added it back, prematurely it appears, to some of the Cavalli operas (several of which do not seem to be articles that would necessarily pass muster under notability guidelines). When the old template is removed, has it been the consensus not to keep the composer picture, even when no other suitable image is available? Thanks for help! --Robert.Allen (talk) 20:07, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Hi Robert.Allen. The general practice when the sidebars are deleted is to make sure there is a footer navbox in the article and to restore the composer's image as a stand-alone at the head of the article if there is currently no other more suitable image or infobox. As for notability, generally speaking, if the composer is notable, so are their works, at least that's the way most of us writing on opera have operated. Although many of the Cavalli operas currently have sparse references, this is not to say that further sources do not exist. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Precious anniversaryEdit

It's been Nine years since
you were awarded the
"Precious" prize!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:58, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda! Somehow I missed this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:54, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, - it's for you, and lovely for me to remember. The other day, I added four infoboxes replacing a sidebar, and then checked transclusion count as 1504, - funny. I like that Carmen's second run as TFA happened without anybody questioning the device, and hope the same for The Rite of Spring on 6 April. I don't particularly want to bring up the topic on the project page, but confess that I don't know what to do about reverts of infoboxes without a reason (Thésée (Mondonville) for example), and when questioned it's: the principal editor didn't want it, - but this editor has done nothing in years. For how long is his (by now minority) wish to be obeyed? ... and where are the readers in the picture? Carmen and Rinaldo are by the same author ... - Brighter: three large translations by three different users about operatic people: Michael Hampe, Marita Napier, Erna Schlüter, - all suffering from lack of sources, too long lists of places, and trivia, but with some patience we'll hopefully get them in shape. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:19, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Karina Flores draftEdit

Dear Voceditenore, I am looking for a reviewer specialist in classical music/opera to get the final approval for my draft, which was extensively reviewed and amended as requested by the previous reviewers; I will appreciate any help or suggestions. Kind regards LovingOperaForever (talk) 21:04, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello, LovingOperaForever. I'll bring this up at WikiProject Opera to get some second opinions from my colleagues. It's a pity that there aren't more reviews of her actual performances (as opposed to announcements) or feature articles written about her. But she does appear to have sung leading roles with reasonably prominent companies, notably Teatro San Carlo, Teatro Regio di Torino, Helikon Opera, [[]Israeli Opera]], which we usually take as signifying notability in the case of an opera singer. I'll get back to you in a few days. Voceditenore (talk) 17:17, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Many many thanks Voceditenore, I really need your help here! Kind reagrds, LovingOperaForever (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Again many thanks for your precious support. Kind regards, LovingOperaForever (talk) 19:02, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

El Sistema in other countries - support for removal of organization listsEdit

I agree with your suggestion to remove the listing of individual programs (Other El Sistema-inspired programs in the US include:) from the El Sistema article. I believe the article should be about El Sistema, as a movement, not about individual programs that may or may not have ties to El Sistema.

While the inclusion of "El Sistema USA" is applicable since it is a national umbrella organization that assures some consistency in methodology, unless an individual program would be noteworthy enough for it's own article, I do not think it should be included in this article.

Due to COI I can not make these changes because I am on the board of "Renaissance Institute of Music", which (until we suspended operations due to COVID-19) served a yearly average of 125 children in our program since 2015. And we have been covered in the media, received a grant from the California Arts Council, etc. None of which would make me expect to be included in an encyclopedic article.

As an editor, these types of lists are a pet peeve to me. Is there a way that you have found to name a section so that editors adhere to some organizational schema?

So under "El Sistema/In Other Countries/United States/" I would expect to find 1) information regarding the subject matter at the national level, 2) Noteworthy Organizations at the national level, or recognized nationally in second sources. In other articles I have seen actual instructions in the article text to editors: "Please only include ... in this list" but this seems heavy handed in the actual article, like breaking the fourth wall.

In any case, I left a note on the talk page indicating support for you suggested changes (removal of list) Bobsd (talk) 17:25, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi Bobsd! Yes I had forgotten what a mess that article is. I'll give some thought on how to truncate it, now that there's at least someone who agrees with me and no one who disagrees, at least on the talk page. May take a while, as I have couple of other things on the boil. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:57, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
Sound great. Thanks! Bobsd (talk) 17:00, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Goya (opera)Edit

Hi Voceditenore. I just discovered this article on Menotti's opera Goya in draft space. If I remember correctly, you have contributed significantly to the article on Plácido Domingo. The title role was created for him, so I thought you might be interested in contributing to the article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:40, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4! It looks like the creator is planning to flesh this out. I'll wait a few days and see how/if it progresses. I'm surprised an article on this opera hasn't been created before. There are plenty of sources. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:27, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for Alexandrine Marie Agathe Gavaudan-DucamelEdit

 On 19 April 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Alexandrine Marie Agathe Gavaudan-Ducamel, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Madame Gavaudan, a soprano of the Opéra-Comique in Paris, created the role of Benjamin in Étienne Méhul's Joseph? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Alexandrine Marie Agathe Gavaudan-Ducamel. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Alexandrine Marie Agathe Gavaudan-Ducamel), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Books & Bytes – Issue 43Edit

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Books & Bytes
Issue 43, March – April 2021

  • New Library Card designs
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June songsEdit


some flowers and music for you, - you were around when I created my first article, and we enjoyed new music now --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:40, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

How lovely! Thank you,Gerda. Wow 2009. Seems like yesterday :) Voceditenore (talk) 16:44, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination DriveEdit

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Books & Bytes – Issue 45Edit

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Books & Bytes
Issue 45, May – June 2021

  • Library design improvements continue
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