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Oi, you haven't put your email into your preferences!

Only reason I noticed is that I usually ask this privately, but anyway...fancy a shot at RFA? I would be happy to nominate you. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Oi, Moreschi, I've sent you an email so you'll have my address if you ever need it. Thanks for the offer and your confidence. But... admin-ing would take too much time away from what I really enjoy – writing articles, rescuing worthy kittens from being drowned at AfDs, and helping out on the Opera Project. The latter can provide quite enough wiki-drama as it is. ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
See also [2]. Voceditenore (talk) 10:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It was a delight...Edit read this brilliant piece. And I wasn't even looking for it; I came here to thank you for backing me up on the GA issue on Egardus, since that's something that's been bugging me for a while and had to get off my chest. But your essay was spot-on. Oops, there I go again, pretending to be an adult! Need to get a bouncier, animated signature ... Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make you one if you promise to give me three barnstars. ;-) Seriously, though thanks for the kind review. I wrote that when WP was in the midst of an invasion by a particularly... er... time-consuming... bunch of 13 year olds. At one point there was even a WikiProject (now deleted) that was awarding them barnstars for every 1000 edits, every 50 AfD's "voted on", every 5 (hapless) editors they adopted, etc., etc.. For a while, I and a couple of other editors spent all our time running around cleaning up after them, until they lost interest and/or got blocked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciationEdit

Hi, Voceditenore. Thanks for the beautiful rewrite on John Andrew Rea. I would prefer not having to delete noteworthy articles, but the current backlog at copyright violations leaves me little time to revise much text. (Especially in Moonriddengirl's absence.) I just wanted you to know that I very much appreciate your contributions. Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 06:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome ;-) and you were absolutely right to delete it. If you have time, could you do me a favour? I've re-written Juliette Pochin on Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. Would it possible to move it into article space. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Done. Another nice job -- and better still was your discussion with the original creator on the talk page. "...Teach a man to fish..." etc. You're a good teacher. Cheers. CactusWriter | needles 16:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! In my university teaching days, I once had a student who plagiarsed my own book in her essay. But at least it took some effort, bless her. She typed it out from the hardcopy — must have taken ages. Re "teaching how to fish...", I'm not sure how many new fishermen it produces for Wikipedia. In the Opera Project we get a lot of articles for singers, opera companies, etc. created by their agents and PR people, and sometimes themselves. In my experience, the best I can hope for is that they'll edit their article according to the guidelines in future. I have yet to find one who has ever contributed anything else to Wikipedia. Their only interest in the project is as a PR tool. Having said that, at least it results (after much red-pencilling from other editors) in one new article on a notable subject that we didn't have before. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for teaching me also, about every singer to opera and avoiding! I keep supplying singers to the project who never sing opera, last Dorothee Mields. When I found a Bach singer who also sang opera I nominated that fact for DYK, Franz Kelch, to be 95 this year, no PR involved. Unfortunately the only source for him I found in English reads like a machine translation. Any help in that case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
My god, plagiarizing the prof's own book -- that's sadly funny -- the very definition of clueless. I would suggest she switch majors. I know what you mean about bulk of submissions coming from PR types. (It's one of the reasons I refrain from offering copyright violators much opportunity to license the source website -- the promotional text couldn't be used anyway.) But, occasionally, unexpectedly, when the stars align just so... you'll come across a true angler among the crowd of daytrippers. When is that next blue moon anyway? CactusWriter | needles 19:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Assistance PleaseEdit

Hello Voceditenore. Would you please check my user talk page? Some time ago you were assisting me in the creation of a new page, ".Gabriel". As you requested, I posted my request on that page but haven't heard from you. I understand you are very busy but would really appreciate your help. Thank you!TF537 (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


Please see edit request. In the meantime, you can use put the alt in the image parameter. e.g. |image=[[File:example.png|200px|alt=Example alt text]] Racepacket (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Coming of Age (BBC TV series)Edit

I would question why the BBC are allowed to vandalise the page and put blatant propaganda on there suggesting that the response to the programme was mixed in some way, when in fact it was universally appalling. Every time real and referenced reviews are put up, they are taken down by some BBC apparatchik dickhead. Why are they not censored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "real and referenced reviews" being taken down. You deliberately inserted false and in several cases defamatory content about living people in multiple articles related to this show, as well adding as your personal commentary disguised to make it look as if it were a quote referenced from a reliable source, e.g. [3], [4], [5], [6]. You are going to get your IP, aka Oxford University, blocked if you keep it up. Voceditenore (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Travesti/Victorian burlesqueEdit

Tim just did a nice job expanding the Victorian burlesque article. Does anything need to be added back and forth between this and the Travesti article that you are working on? Just a thought. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of the current merge proposal at Burlesque (literature)? I wonder if merging it into the poorly-written Burlesque article will destroy any value (or chance at expansion) that it may have. Your comments would be valued at Talk:Burlesque. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, V. You may find this article of interest: -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Steve. I'm going to file this away for when I next add to Travesti. I've still got a bit to do re the ballet sections. But I never seem to get the time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Keto and KoteEdit

Many thanks for re-establishing this article. During copy-edit driving I found the previous version a complete copy-and-paste violation from inception; I was the one who tagged for deletion. I have to say your succinct but elegant stub is superb, and should be set as an example of “how to do it”’. I have a tendency to reduce faulty articles to the brusque and barren, so I will log your Keto and Kote as a guiding light. In admiration. Acabashi (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Castrato partsEdit

Hehe :) Moreschi (talk) 17:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Above comment is in response to this. Voceditenore (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for watching the dead links. It's a big shame that the PeoplePlayUK site went down, as it had a huge amount of info for Victorian articles. I think that most of the content migrated somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Any idea? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, the only dead link was PeoplePlayUK. The other 2 were spam/copyvio. Anyhow, the Theatre Museum's contents are now held by the Victoria & Albert. See the V & A's Theatre and Performance collections page. If you search the V & A collections, the online objects generally come with a lot of informative text in addition to the image. See this, for example. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


I have finished my work on this. The peer review threw up some interesting suggestions, many of which have been absorbed into the article. It is now at FAC (please take a look), and I am working on improving and extending the discography subarticle. I have not done anything with the "adaptations" which were removed from the older version of the article, and it may be a while before I can get to deciding what should be done here. Brianboulton (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting it to FA, Brian! I'm going to be away for the next 2 weeks and wouldn't be able to help with an "adaptations" page anyway. One of the advantages of page like that is to keep all sorts of minor (and often very trivial) distractions out of the main article. A popular work like this is particularly prone to that kind of stuff, often added "drive-by" without references or context. But let's see how it goes. There may not be a need for an "adaptations", at least in the near future. By the way, can you get the Carmen Filmography link to work? I can't and have tried multiple times. :/ Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I will continue improving the discography article as time permits. In due course I'll open a rudimentary "adaptations" article for the purpose you describe; it won't be long before the trivia merchants start tampering with the main article. It went through the FAC process so smoothly and swiftly that I can't help an uneasy feeling that something important got missed. Brianboulton (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Smithsonian updates website!Edit

Hi Voceditenore! The Smithsonian Institution Archives took notice of your finding about Clara Hasse's death date and will be updating their records, website and Flickr! The changes should take place tomorrow. So thanks for the great find! Sarah (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. It's nice to see that the traffic between Wikipedia and its sources goes both ways. Last year I got the Encyclopedic Discography of Victor Recordings at UCSB to change a glaring error on their database which found while I was researching Stanislao Gastaldon. In the process, I discovered another and even more whopping error in New Grove Dictionary of Opera which had been propagated all over the internet, but that's Grove's problem. OK, now I'm off to give the Harvard library system a nudge over this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


Apologies if this is in the wrong place (finding out how to contribute to Wikipedia is a very steep learning curve and I've only just learnt Joomla, brain hurting!). Huge thanks for the rewriting and reformatting of the article on Dove's Tobias and the Angel. I'd only just discovered it was there and found it was so incomplete and inaccurate it needed some serious input. Having been in the project from the very beginning I felt I had the authority to write on it, and did post some material from my website - hadn't realised this seems to count as conflict of interest. But it certainly doesn't violate copyright which presumably belongs to me, and I'd like to be able to insert a photo of the Birmingham production, would this be allowed? I'd be very grateful if you had time to help me on this. Kate Quartano Brown (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Little favourEdit

A while back I did some work de-fluffing Richard Gombrich. I think it still needs some more, but I have a little learning to the most dangerous degree and can't really see the wood for the trees. I'm pretty sure the structure is still hagiographic. May I ask if you could do a quick brisk hacking back of the undergrowth? Am pretty sure that the list of publications goes way beyond the notable, too. Amuse yourself by reading how it looked five years ago almost-instinct 12:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanksEdit

I'm grateful for your clear explanation and kind welcome on my first interaction with Wikipedia. The format here is slightly intimidating and I'm wary of breaking taboos or upsetting anyone so your breakdown and reassurance was greatly appreciated. :-)

SonnySonnyWilliamson (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Giovanna GrayEdit

DYK gong archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to say, nice job on the Giovanna Gray article. Going to the old, foreign language sources is something not everyone can do, and it makes a big difference. (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, David. I had a lot fun writing that. Most of the articles I write tend to be of this type, e.g., Cristina, regina di Svezia, Mala Pasqua!, Stanislao Gastaldon, Andrea Salvadori, Eugenia Tadolini. I figure that for the really famous composers, operas, singers, etc. there are plenty of online sources, but for these, the only place people will be able to find detailed information, in English, and free of charge is Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)


What do you think of this image, which also covers an opera singer without photo? Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

It's OK, but I'd never use it for Lillian Grenville. The one of her alone will be much better for that article. It's also a much more arresting image than this rather stilted duo. But this one would be good for Gustave Huberdeau and Natoma (kills 2 birds with one stone for that article). Voceditenore (talk) 17:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Here are some more possibilities for articles and future articles with no images:

The Bain collection is very badly annotated, I'm just plowing slowly through all the images and clicking on ones that likely to be opera singers. I may find some more...

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Any idea which Stephano the Jacoby is? Niklausse is almost certainly Tales of Hoffmann, but I'm not sure off-hand about a Stephano trousers role. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
I assume Roméo et Juliette she sang it many times at the Met at around the time that picture was taken [7], and her career was almost entirely at the Met. Voceditenore (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thought that would've been too high for her, since Wikipedia labels it as a soprano part. If she sang it, though, it's probably that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
The Met lists her as a mezzo-soprano (rather than contralto), and the role is frequently sung and recorded by mezzos, e.g. Kristine Jepson, Susan Graham, etc. Voceditenore (talk) 10:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Rosine StoltzEdit

Some time ago, you started the article on Rosine Stoltz. There is now a discussion about the date of her death. I wonder if you could consult your original sources and let us know. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Rosine Stoltz. Voceditenore (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Notre-Dame de ClignancourtEdit

A most pleasing new article. I'll add the church to my itinerary for a vaguely-planned, Fauré-themed wander round Paris. Don't bother to reply to this: I just wanted to express my appreciation. – Tim riley (talk) 19:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Di Fiorino et al.Edit

Ciao Voce. I hope this finds you well. Our paths once again cross in Mario Di Fiorino, and I notice your work in Gruppo del Rosario. There is a connection between Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry, the closely connected, newly created bios Maria Luisa Figueira and Mario Di Fiorino, as well as edits made by the same users in e.g. Davide Lazzeretti, Leonetto Amadei, Ganser syndrome, and Mind control. I reverted in Leonetto Amadei, and left a note on the editor's page, and subsequently tried to add info from the .it article Leonetto Amadei. (It appears that the Italian Leonette Amadei has had additions similar to the ones made to the English.) The English version has had the same material re-added. I restored an older version of Davide Lazzeretti. I have raised attention about this pattern (WP:COATRACK?) on WikiProject Medicine and WikiProject Psycholog, alas, not to much avail. Maybe it is something you would like to look into? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 21:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sam, hmmm, yes, I've noticed this interesting little can of worms. On the Italian WP, some of their stuff has been deleted outright, e.g. Mario di Fiorino, Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry and Psichiatria e Territorio (also founded by Di Fiorino) or reverted in existing articles, e.g. Leonetto Amadei, Davide Lazzeretti. Often, however, a "new" editor pops up to re-add the stuff, as happens here. The editors also use the same arguments they use here: "It's in the Italian/English Wikipedia so it's ok".
Several of the SPAs active here have been blocked for sockpuppetry at the Italian WP [8], [9], [10]. I'm not sure if they're sock or meat puppets, but without getting into outing, Google searches on their user names reveal that all are from the Pisa/Forte dei Marmi/Viareggio area. A couple are students of Di Fiorino or his colleagues, one works for a hotel in Forte dei Marmi and helps organize functions for Di Fiorino's symposia, two have co-authored articles with Di Fiorino, one appears to be Di Fiorino himself, etc. etc. I would say that just about every red-linked contributor since August to the articles you've cited is in some way connected to Di Fiorino and all their contributions here need checking. Some of them have extensively edited psychology/psychiatry articles in addition to the ones you've mentioned. Note also this sandbox. There's obviously more to come.
Anyhow, here's my take on some of the articles:
If we meet resistance from the "consortium" of Tuscan editors, then we take 'em to WP:COI/N. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Beautiful to see the logic you apply when investigating, I learned a lot. Thanks! Best, Sam Sailor Sing 00:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Want me to do {{cite books}} in the Publications section of Mario Di Fiorino? Best, Sam Sailor Sing 09:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Caldara +Edit

Thank you for the Caldara opera, here's another: La concordia de' pianeti [11], --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. You're welcome :). I've added quite a bit more to it now. Apparently, Tito e Berenice was part of contest! I might do La concordia once the German performance actually takes place. In the meantime, I'll be working on creating the other two Operas of the Month, by papa Scarlatti and his son. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. After I closed my shop completely (see my talk, - I kept the ironing lady) I suddenly feel very busy with a man whose boss is the pope and a painter stub, not mentioning the GA nom for Chéreau. Did you see that I mention singing as occupation in my own (bzzt, unspeakable)? (Derived from "Singen, singen" in the Christmas Story by Schütz). In choir, we will concentrate on Schütz and Rutter, Magnificat by both, I hope I will get in the mood until July / October / November. Certainly not if we keep losing a great editor every week, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

*taps microphone*Edit

Is it safe to come back....? almost-instinct 15:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Yep :) Great to see you, A-I! I miss those happy hours we spent de-pufferizing articles. I had to whack this one all by myself. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Mmmm maybe not so safe after all.... almost-instinct 13:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
Ah, you mean below? I think you'll be OK  . I only mention it if I'm specifically asked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
It's not you I'm worried about ;) almost-instinct 11:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Anna Schoen-RenéEdit

Hi voceditenore. I just read some interesting articles on this lady and thought you might enjoy penning an article on her. Here are some potential sources:

Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 02:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow! She sounds like quite a character, 4meter4. I'm sort of up to my eyeballs at the moment, but I'll keep this here to remind me to get 'round to it eventually, if someone else doesn't first. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Sharon RuchmanEdit

Thanks for your recent cleanup/removing promotional/un-encyclopedic information from Sharon Ruchman. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi David. I'm away until the end of April, but I'm rather minded to PROD it or take it to AfD. But I'll need to do a little research first. I had a look at the talk page of the reviewer who had accepted it. Dear Oh Dear. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


Hey, thanks. Some of the articles on Gluck's major operas need more work, but I'm probably not going to touch them until next year. I thought I'd produce a bunch of stubs on the Baroque and minor Classical works then add to them bit by bit. I noticed you discovered the Gluck Gesamtausgabe online, a very useful find. Some of the information is very interesting. For example, I don't think there can be many operas where the entire cast was made up of archduchesses and the work was conducted by a future emperor.

BTW I think La danza (Gluck) is beyond start-class, at least C. There's not much you can really say about an opera Julian Rushton dismisses as "a slight work". The Penguin Guide to Opera on CD doesn't even bother trying to give synopsis, saying there is "no plot or development whatsoever." Having read the libretto, I can sympathise with that! Cheers.--Folantin (talk) 10:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Article on Leela BordiaEdit


I have made some further inputs to the said Article on Leela Bordia. Please have a look at it and give me your suggestions on whether i am on the right path and plz guide regarding corrections if any, since i am just a beginner.


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Hello, The iWriter. I assume you mean the draft User:The iWriter/sandbox? I'll have a look at it later today or tomorrow. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Voceditenore

Yes plz and thanks

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Ada Cherry KeartonEdit

You may remember doing some work on Ada Cherry Kearton. I thought you would like to now that the BBC now link to it, from - Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Andy. Thanks for letting me know. By the way, I haven't forgotten about David Ward, I've just been a bit busy with other stuff. I hope to get to it in the New Year. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Message from LisabyEdit

Hello Voceditenore. You may remember me from the Alessandra Marianelli bio.

I'd like to create one now for Sylvia Schwartz.

The main problem with my first attempt was that I didn't know how to evaluate the various sources of information I found. You considered many that I proposed as inadequate.

For Sylvia Schwartz, could I send you a list of the sources I've found (not their contents), so that you could tell me which to exclude?

Many thanks for all you do for Opera on Wikipedia,

Lisaby 18:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Lisaby. Many apologies for this late reply! I suggest that you list your proposed sources at User:Lisaby/Sylvia Schwartz. I'm about to be travelling for the next two weeks. But I will definitely have a look when I get back. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:40, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Small WorldEdit

Dear VdiT, Tonight, as I was suggesting to my brother that he join Wikipedia, I thought to show him the Butter Rebellion article that my daughter had written. Because I hadn't visited it in years, I checked the history, and who should I run into but your gracious self? I nearly fell off my chair. Thank you for protecting its integrity!

Thank you also for helping my Berklee students again this semester. Those who solicited your help were more than amply rewarded, and we were very grateful.

Best wishes to you for a happy Christmas and a joyous New Year. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 02:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi IJ! That's a real blast from the past—it was 2007 when I stumbled onto it—and an amazing coincidence. Happy Holidays to you too and all your family, especially your daughter. Voceditenore (talk) 19:47, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Das öde HausEdit

Voceditenore, given your love for the story I thought you might be interested in creating an article on the 1817 novel by E. T. A. Hoffmann. See it:La casa disabitata and de:Das öde Haus. Not sure if there is any connection between the story of the novel and the story of Princess Amalie of Saxony's opera. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi 4meter4. No, there's no connection, despite the Italian WP article title. The standard English title for Hoffmann's short story is "The Deserted House". It's a spooky Gothic tale set in Berlin—not quite Princess Amalie's cup of tea. But... it's kind of fascinating in its own right. I think I'll give it a go. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:58, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Richard HorowitzEdit

I found this obit on baton maker Richard Horowitz fascinating and thought you might too. He was also the person who worked the longest for the Met according to Opera News; serving for many years a principal timpanist. Thought you might enjoy crafting an article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:39, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Brilliant, 4meter4! Another one for me to squirrel away. It would be fun to do an article on him. Voceditenore (talk) 18:47, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


Thanks, Voceditenore, for your gracious message. Having been on medical leave since the end of January, I'm sadly not sure who took over my courses. By September, though, I intend to be back at the helm, pointing new classes in your direction. Here's hoping that you enjoy your April break. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 15:25, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Julie MeninEdit

I have no financial interest, and my employment has nothing to do with this public figure. I do not understand how you think it's unsound to adopt significant achievements of this City official, while citing official government documents. As long as citations are included, there is no copyright violation. Further, you chose to blindly revert information, which was patently false (such as the birthdate -- real one could be found on linkedin), while eliminating whole paragraphs. Who do you think you are? I spent time making contributions to the Wiki community, and you think you know better? You know nothing. You're a pathetic troll. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phillytv215queen (talkcontribs) 02:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Phillytv215queen, you may not paste copyright text into Wikipedia whether you "credit" it in a reference or not. The only exceptions are very brief and clearly marked quotes for which there is a clear reason to quote. I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources. And as for you adding material like "Under Commissioner Menin’s stewardship, DCA achieved a remarkable turnaround" and "creating an outreach program that resulted in an extraordinary 50 percent increase" and "Under her leadership, the Office of Media and Entertainment has launched several groundbreaking initiatives"... The fact that you cannot see the wild inappropriateness of PR-speak like that (sourced solely to what she says about herself) in an encyclopedia article speaks volumes about your editing. I did not revert any of your text. Another editor did. However, since you have re-added the copyright material, I am going to remove it. Voceditenore (talk) 05:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

The mother of tenor Adam KleinEdit

Voceditenore, I recently came across this obituary for the artist and actress and tv personality Patricia Windrow (1921-2013) who is tenor Adam Klein's mother. Since you were involved in writing that article I thought you might be interested. Best.4meter4 (talk) 08:28, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, 4meter4! Great to hear from you! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:57, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Another article ideaEdit

Christie Dickason- American novelist, playwright, opera librettist, and former theater director and choreographer with the Royal Shakespeare Company. She has written nine internationally published novels (Century, Random House, HarperCollins). Also wife of English actor Gary Waldhorn from The Vicar of Dibley (no idea if they are still married as they married in the 1960s while students at Yale). She lives in London and may be British by marriage. [14] [15], [16], [17] Hope this is of interest.4meter4 (talk) 05:47, 15 December 2017 (UTC)


The season, "noel, noel, noel!" - Can you take anything worth mentioning about the conductor from this to his article, please? I just get "caldi applausi", and well deserved they were, - as for your contributions in 2017! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:14, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

If you don't have the time, I just found another which I understand and support, even the term sensation. ----Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:38, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

Research snagEdit

I am attempting to research a voice teacher and baritone who held some important academic posts during his career but am coming up empty handed. His name is Adrian Freni (sometimes spelled Adriaan Freni). He was the head of the voice faculty at the Institute of Musical Art (now the Juilliard School) during the early 20th century and was before (and/or after?) that the head of the voice faculty at the Pittsburgh Musical Institute. He also taught at the Stuttgart Conservatory and was living and performing in Holland before his teaching career. I can't seem to find an obituary or anything like that. It seems odd that someone who was the head of the voice department at Juilliard would go un-noticed. The New York Times archive has nothing on him. I have no idea whether he was born American or if he is from Europe originally. I have no birth or death information, or any info about his education or performance career beyond a vague source mentioning a career living in Holland. Any help you can provide would be appreciated.4meter4 (talk) 22:46, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4! I'm about to leave for Italy, but will look into this when I get back. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:02, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Enjoy your trip.4meter4 (talk) 11:22, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Image helpEdit

I just created a stub on Alfred Giraudet. He has an entry at the Bibliothèque nationale de France with an image that could maybe be uploaded here ( I'm not sure how to go about doing that, so I was wondering if you could help? Interestingly, I found information the bnf wasn't aware of. They have the date (by one day) and place of his death wrong. Apparently French researchers guessed that he died in Paris and weren't aware that he was living in Manhattan and teaching at Juilliard at the time of his death. I found his obituary in The New York Times, which apparently I am the first scholar to find based on the other sources out there. It's not surprising as his obit was buried in the middle of the obit section in a non-prominent place and pretty much all the other sources on him are French.4meter4 (talk) 00:51, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4! I'm about to leave for Italy, but will help with the upload when I get back. Sounds interesting, ditto the Juilliard person above. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:04, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Have fun on your vacation. Also, if French language references are your forte, here is a reference that could be used to expand the little article I started.4meter4 (talk) 11:46, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi 4meter4! I've added Giraudet's portrait to the article. I've also found a tiny bit of stuff on the elusive Adriaan Freni (above). I'll leave the leads and links on your talk page later today. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Le origini del carnevale come stagione lirica?Edit

Secondo questo, il carnevale era la stagione principale e più di moda per l'opera lirica, sia in Italia che in altre parti dell'Europa cattolica, ma non c'è niente sul perché ni le origini.

C'è questo nell'articolo it:Carnevale:

Nel XV e XVI secolo, a Firenze i Medici organizzavano grandi mascherate su carri chiamate "trionfi" e accompagnate da it:canti carnascialeschi, cioè canzoni a ballo di cui anche Lorenzo il Magnifico fu autore. Celebre è Il trionfo di Bacco e Arianna scritto proprio dal Magnifico.

Credo che questo sia il solo testo che tocca, anche vagamente, sul carnevale come stagione 'lirica', o in enWP o in itWP. C'è abbastanza (questo sopra, e Grove), credete, per scrivere un articolo enWP? Scarabocchio (talk) 11:22, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

decennio # primi nel carnevale
1680 12 **
1690 20 ****
1700 37 *******
1710 60 ************
1720 85 *****************
1730 81 ****************
1740 106 *********************
1750 128 *************************
1760 88 *****************
1770 91 ******************
1780 78 ***************
1790 47 *********
1800 37 *******
1810 25 *****
1820 14 **

C'era un picco nelle opere liriche nel periodo di carnevale negli anni 1740-1760 ma non ho trovato niente di più sulle relazioni tra la lirica e il carnevale. Ritiro la domanda. Scarabocchio (talk) 03:07, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

(My Italian house guests have gone :-)
Just a note .. the table above was complied by analysing the premiere dates in the OperaGlass pages. There were 985 works with a premiere date explicitly given as during carnival. Scarabocchio (talk) 04:43, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Help with assignment from BerkleeEdit

Hi Voceditenore,

I am from Professor Jackson's class at Berklee and I could use some help with fixing my post on 21st century opera. I'm currently working on gathering more information to add, such as new operas produced in the last 10-15 years and active commissioning groups. I'm also looking for more secondary sources to cite. Can you help me improve it with any insights or thoughts you may have? Many thanks for all your help and dedication to our class!

JHMusic (talk) 18:11, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi JHMusic, I'm travelling at the momeent but will get back to you when I return home on April 25th. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 15:48, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks, dear VdT, for your assistance again this year. For reasons that elude me, this semester's students were more than usually reluctant to take you up on your kind offers of help. I'm glad that the successful ones appealed to you. As for the plagiarism, despite our regularly explaining its evils in every context, a few students persist in the practice.
Sorry to have missed you in California, where we will soon be heading. With any luck, we'll catch up with you there or in Boston at some point.
With thanks for your great faithfulness, and best wishes for a healthy, happy summer,
Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 20:42, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetsEdit

Hello Voceditenore, you might be interested in the issue I am reporting as you have already been involved in it previously. It is about a bunch of IPs which are very likely (99%) related to an old acquaintance of en.wikipedia: a sock-puppet abuser who created about 50 socks to disrupt IPA transcriptions, obsessed especially with Italian names and words. The investigation I am referring to is the following: 84101e40247. The new IPs from which similar or identical edits have been done recently are the following: (see: Loayur, Duelai, Ddgfs), (see: Sasalikasty), (see: Dyukpore), (see: Vufroled), (see: Ksyru), (see: Fruial, Kilorty); it is also possible that there are some more, but for the moment these are enough to care about, right? I hope that you or someone else will take appropriate measures against this recidivous vandal! Thank you for reading :-) (talk) 16:48, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Hello IP It looks like an administrator is on top of this. These IPs were blocked on the 25th. Obviously, with a determined block- evader like this one, I imagine they'll eventually return under a different IP or sock name. So let me know if there are any further occurrences, and I'll report them to ANI (I'm not an admin, so can't block them myself.) Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 08:59, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
Hello IP You posted a new message about this problem to my talk page on Simple Wikipedia today [18]. It's better to post here which is my "home" Wikipedia, especially when it concerns edits here. I'll watch to see if they make any more edits. The changes they made to the IPA transcriptions were replacing e with ɛ, which I've never seen 84101e40247 and his socks doing. They were obsessed with gemination and changing z to s. Also that IP appears to resolve to Trento in Northern Italy [19]. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 12:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Hello Voceditenore, I might have found the sockmaster behind all those sockpuppets and IPs. I think he's an Italian user registered from almost 3 years (more or less it's the time the socks started appearing), his edits about Italian IPAs are almost all regarding syntactic gemination and "Z" to "S". He's also been recently involved in quarrels with English users, both for Italian IPAs and for other languages IPAs, and he's already been blocked in 2 projects, in the first for edits about IPAs considered vandalisms and for using other identities, in the other because (as far as I've understood) he was identified by a checkuser as a noted Italian vandal who was blocked several times. Actually I can't say I'm 100% sure it's our man, but most of the evidences seem to indicate this. Just, I'd like him not to know he's still suspected of sockpuppeting until it's proven whether he's involved or he isn't, that's why I haven't told you his name yet, and I wanted to know your opinion about this issue: I don't think a CU request would be useful, because if he hasn't used other identities in the last 90 days (I've already checked the pages that the known vandal had edited in the past, I found no user restoring the vandalisms except, in a few cases, this user) and because CU policies forbid to link users to IPs; but if he's publicly reported he'll become aware of these suspects and he may turn everything against the reporter or move the matter from his identity to his edits, so he could even get away clean, also because en.wikipedia is a separated project from the others where he was blocked... Do you have any suggestions to give me? Cellettir (talk) 08:59, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello Cellettir. I'm not sure how I can help you if you aren't willing to state the name of the registered account of whom these IPs may be the socks. I assume you are not referring to this known sockmaster but some other account? At the very least, you'd need to give me links to an edit by one of these IPs and to another edit by the account you suspect. It doesn't matter if they are on a non-English Wikipedia. Linking to the registered account's edit will not ping them or attract their attention unless they are specifically watching my talk page, which I very much doubt. Until you provide those links, I'm afraid can't really make any suggestions. Note also that I am neither an administrator nor a checkuser here. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. The suspected user is (I'll remove it after you've read). 84101e40247 has just 50 contributions, he was more likely the main sockpuppet than the sockmaster. However, I'm not surely sure this guy is really the sockmaster, my suspects are based on a series of clues. Watch his blocks in his CentralAuth, the reasons are quite clear. He was also recently involved in a few disputes with some other users here, as you can read in his talk page, about phonetic transcriptions in Swedish phonology (it isn't Italian, but his non-collaborative behaviour is evident, his arrogance and aggressiveness, his starting from being the one right, which sometimes happens even in his edit summaries). It isn't the first time something like that happens: watching his contributions, the most recent episode was about "Il Canto degli Italiani", where he wanted to insert an absolutely wrong syntactic gemination in the text although even sources were against him. His obsession with syntactic gemination is proven also by the fact he's been inserting, arbitrarily, lots of texts similar to "<!-- syntactic gemination -->" in a lot of pages, such as here. I'm now listing a few differences between revisions in the same pages where some of the blocked sockpuppets has edited in the same way, all regarding syntactic gemination in Italian names: [20] ([21]), [22] ([23]), [24] ([25]), [26] ([27]), [28] and [29]. And I haven't written examples dating back to previous years, but just to make one example: [30] > [31] (blocked sock) > [32] (non-blocked sock) > [33] (Southern Italian IP); also, please note the number of coincidences between this last IP's edited pages and our man's... I hope this is enough to let you get an idea. I'd like to hear your opinion about this issue, just an opinion before I do anything improper. Cellettir (talk) 10:59, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Message read, Cellettir. On first glance it's not convincing, but I'll have to think about it. Voceditenore (talk) 11:28, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

A heads upEdit

We're starting a major maintenance run on portals to transclude leads directly on the portal base pages.

The reason I'm contacting you, is because you expressed concern over carte blanche automation of all portals. We need your input/oversight to help point out portals, or ways to detect portals, that should not be converted from their current method of maintenance. So far, I've instructed the AWB'ers working on this task to not include the portals listed under the Specific Maintainers section in our project members list on the WikiProject page.

But in case there are other portals besides these that are sensitive, perhaps you can help.

The task thread is Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#AWB team please tackle maintenance run on intro sections.

Thank you.    — The Transhumanist   23:37, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

  • I should point out that the edits you were complaining about on Portal:Opera were made incidentally to this planned AWB run which has not happened yet. I have tagged the portal with nobots. Any use of automatic maintenance should exclude pages marked with {{nobots}} or {{featured portal}} or {{Maintained portal flag}}. I highly recommend marking any portal pages you don't want the bots or AWB users editing. Note that nobots will stop all types of bots and should not be used on bot updated subpages. JLJ001 (talk) 09:22, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Thanks very much, JLJ001. I appreciate that. I've also commented further here. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:39, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't want to cause anyone much extra work so I am tagging all the subpages myself with JWB, to save you doing it manually. JLJ001 (talk) 11:16, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
That's very kind of you, JLJ001. Many thanks! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:23, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
JLJ001 disappeared suddenly because he was blocked as a sockpuppet/LTA (long-term abuser) using a "goodhand account". See User talk:TonyBallioni/Archive 20#JLJ001.    — The Transhumanist   06:28, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Apparently, admins are reverting many of his edits, including the tags he placed on portals. Just a head up.    — The Transhumanist   08:16, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi The Transhumanist, thanks for getting in touch. Yes, I saw that unfortunate imbroglio yesterday. I also saw the multiple reverts of the flags he'd placed on Portal:Opera (I have all the sub-pages on watch). Later today, I'll start restoring them. What a pain socks are! By the way, I added an extra plug for the portals project at WikiProject Classical Music. Voceditenore (talk) 13:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Yet more of the same?Edit

Hi, VdT! It's hard to tell, but looks likely. The global contribs tool doesn't seem to be working. Regards, (talk) 17:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Justlettersandnumbers! I saw that. It's hard to tell with so few edits but the MO is very similar. The global contribs worked for me. His home-wiki is Italian Wikipedia. He has edited multiple Wikipedias the same day but only on the Hermitage (to add Petrocelli images) and Petrocelli articles. Also uploaded multiple Petrocelli images to Commons [34]. Petrocelli has long been one "our friend's" targets. I think we should keep an eye on him. I'm positive this IP is also him, but it's Vodafone. Our "friend" hasn't used that much, if at all. Maybe how he was able to register an account despite the global lock? Voceditenore (talk) 14:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Justlettersandnumbers. Me again. I'm pretty convinced now. Put this title on watch. The IP above created it on the Italian Wikipedia yesterday [35]. Meanwhile, the Serbo-Croatian version was created 4 days ago by an IP which is almost certainly "our friend" [36]. That IP also edited... er... Amedeo Natoli, Sr. on the Danish Wikipedia this week. The Danish article was created by a registered account which is clearly a sock of "our friend". See [37]. Note also [38]. That account hasn't edited here, yet, but is blocked on the Latin (!) Wikipedia. Voceditenore (talk) 15:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Trying my handEdit

Hi, VdiT! Discovering confusion among the Clifford Thompsons, I'm trying my hand at creating a disambiguation page. Might I trouble you to take a look at my effort? It's in my ijmusic sandbox <>. With thanks for your help this past semester and hopes that you are well, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 23:05, 10 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi IJ! The problem is, we don't add red-linked names (i.e. ones without an article on them) to a disambiguation page. There are a couple of exceptions:
1.If the person has an article on another language Wikipedia, e.g.
2.If there is an article closely related to the person, e.g.
Are you to referring to this Clifford Thompson? If so, he is red-linked from Whiting Awards. He won one in 2013. It might be possible to create an article on Clifford Thompson (writer), but it would need to establish notability and substantial coverage of him and/or his books beyond simply the announcement of the award (there were 10 Whiting awards in 2013). Hope that helps. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:49, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Notability assesment...Edit

Hi, Voceditenore,

Can you please let me know about your evaluation of the notability of the following articles:-

Some good places to search for possible non-trivial coverage or reviews would be equally welcome:) Feel free to take your time....WBGconverse 05:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Winged Blades of Godric. This is not really my genre, but I'll have a look. So far, I'd say I Am (Pete Townshend album) is notable. I've added some sources to Talk:I Am (Pete Townshend album) which you can use. I'll do the same for the other three, if they appear notable. So keep their talk pages on watch. If I consider any of the remaining three non-notable, I'll message you here. But as I say, I am not an expert in this genre. I usually write about 19th-century opera topics. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:41, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi Winged Blades of Godric. Me again. Generally speaking, for someone as notable as Townshend, virtually all their releases would be notable. However, unlike the first three, the self-published EP O' Parvardigar (album) is really pushing it. Personally I'd merge and redirect that material into Parvardigar Prayer. Ditto the material about the 7-minute O Parvardigar (film) (which quite rightly is at AfD). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:14, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks for expending your time to evaluate the aforementioned articles:) And, now that I'm precisely aware of your specialties, I won't disturb you again save the particular area:)WBGconverse 09:56, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
Feel free to call on me again Winged Blades of Godric. I'm happy to help. Just be aware that some stuff is not my field of expertise and might need a 2nd opinion. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:04, 19 June 2018 (UTC)


Thanks again for that barnstar, Voce, it was a lovely gesture. However, I would like to share the kudos with Bri but can't because he and I work together. There's one here... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:11, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Ifigenia, Clitennestra and FedraEdit

Hi, I have created Ifigenia, Clitennestra and Fedra. Thanks for reviewing and improving Fedra. Please also review the other two for further improvement. Thanks - Jay (talk) 08:43, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jay. They're looking good. I'll have closer look tomorrow to see if they could use any further references or further reading. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:16, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Have completed L'Oro as well. - Jay (talk) 09:04, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Brilliant. Thanks so much, Jay. Do you have any suggestions for the August CoM and OoMs? Feel free to suggest anything you'd like to work on. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:07, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
I have also created Montserrat Martí, she is Montserrat Caballé's daughter. Feel free to add more in the article. There is not much can be found on the internet about her. - Jay (talk) 12:51, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Copied from websiteEdit

Michael Seal is up for deletion, + seems copied from here, - wasn't always like that. Can you help, expert in copyvio? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

We do have BBC and review in a decent paper. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Zingarese cleared the copyvio, relief. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. I've rewritten it completely with references and made a note of the copyvio removal on Talk:Michael Seal. You'd think that COI editors would realise how silly the subject looks when the article consists of tripe like that. But, alas, they never do. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:17, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Berklee's backEdit

Dear VdiT, With Berklee back in session, my Future of Music class will be exploring Wikipedia soon. If we might solicit your kind counsel again this semester, I'd be grateful. With thanks for your gracious help in years past and hopes that you are well, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 21:51, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

With pleasure, IJ! Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:30, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Many thanks! We'll descend on you shortly! Ijmusic (talk) 14:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
And the descent has begun. But bless you, dear VdiT, for being on the lookout for us: you visited one of our students before he had even identified himself! Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 20:05, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, dear VdiT, for your beautiful Christmas message. All best wishes in 2019 to you and your family from your Berklee fan club and from your Ijmusic (talk) 05:47, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

A voice from the past....Edit, not a singer, but me, almost-instinct - I'm having trouble getting into my WP account :((( Have you any bright ideas as to what I might be able to do? (talk) 19:21, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

*heavy sigh* so much for that account, I've had to start a new one. Anyway, hello, are we still squabbling about infoboxes? ;) almost-true 20:06, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Hi Almost-true!! I missed you! And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:47, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I've been looking at the handful of articles I created back in the day. One of them, Gary Lehman seemed to have ended up in an unsatisfactory condition*. I deleted the stuff (written by me!) that I felt should no longer be there, and instantaneously got reverted with a request to discuss on the talk page. I don't recall anyone else being involved in the content of the page other than myself, so I think I'm in need of someone sensible - ie you - to add your thoughts. See here. Thanking you in advance for your time and wisdom! :) almost-true 09:11, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

*which might be an apposite reflection of GL's career :/
Will nip over there tomorrow, Almost. Meanwhile, he appears to have retired and gone into real estate [39]. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:46, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for that, especially your searching skills - I think I had found just one of the links you came up with (the one saying he had been replaced) GL is poorly served by YouTube, but there's a bit of a concert performance of Tristan which, once the orchestra has subsided, gives a little evidence of what the short-lived bloom was like almost-true 10:38, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Have you seen this charming soliloquy on YouTube? Voceditenore (talk) 11:16, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not very good at watching all the way through things like that, tbh (heaven knows why) so I skipped back and forth. His eyes seemed to sparkle more at the thought of his homeland than at what he went on to do almost-true 10:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Andreas G OrphanidesEdit

Hi -

An article I wrote, Andreas G Orphanides was flagged back in October 13 as possible copyvio. It appears that a couple of things happened - first, the article subject copied elements of the article into his own CV (which I guess is flattering for me), and, second, an anonymous IP that I assume was his also edited the article without understanding copyright. It was a bit of a mess, but I believe is now fully straightened out. On Oct 16th I left comments on the article talkpage suggesting the minor rewrites that would be needed to sort out any remaining issues. Would you please be willing to take a look and remove the copyvio notice if you agree that this is sorted? I contacted the original admin but in nearly 3 months have not had a response. Vizjim (talk) 07:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Vizjim. I've had a preliminary look at the article. Indeed, what a mess the history is! It's difficult to sort out. A quick question... have any of the IP edits been you editing while logged out, e.g, or are all the IP edits by someone else? Another quick question... Is this the page where you think parts of your version were copied to? The Wayback Machine indicates that your version predated that one [40], although we can't be sure that it did not exist previous to October 2017 when the Wayback Machine first crawled the page. Rather than trying to sort this out piecemeal from such a complicated history one possibility is that I rewrite the biographical material in a greatly reduced version, remove the blanking template, and request revision deletion for all the prior versions after this version. It could then be re-expanded taking particular care that any new material bears no resemblance to existing web pages. Pinging Justlettersandnumbers for input. Voceditenore (talk) 10:02, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi, VdT! I'd be just delighted if you'd take on this one – which like many others is well overdue for attention. Thank you! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:03, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Okey Dokey. I'll get to this later today or first thing tomorrow. Voceditenore (talk) 13:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much for all your hard work on this. Vizjim (talk) 13:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
You're very welcome, Vizjim.   Voceditenore (talk) 14:19, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Copyright helpEdit

Hi, I found you listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/Clerks. I've been trying to fix a copyright issue at Discovery Institute and am wondering if you could assist me. There is a copyright notice on the page, and there was indeed plagiarized text on the page. I made an effort to fix it. I'm not sure what the next step is, as the notice says "Do not restore or edit the blanked content on this page until the issue is resolved by an administrator, copyright clerk or OTRS agent." I have reached out several times to the administrator who originally placed the notice but haven't heard back. Thanks! Marquardtika (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, that was me, I apologise – unfortunately I have this thing called life that I occasionally have to pay some attention to. Marquardtika, I should have told you sooner: the edits you have made have not resolved the problem, as you can easily see by using the tool I showed you. To be useable, a rewrite should (a) not incorporate any material added by FeloniousMonk and (b) be on the appropriate rewrite page, as I've already explained on the talk-page of the article. Hi, VdT! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:33, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Well, if I could "easily see," I wouldn't be asking 🤦 Marquardtika (talk) 01:19, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Hi Marquardtika. I've left some advice/explanation at Talk:Discovery Institute in the section titled Suggestion for way forward. I thought it was more appropriate there as it may be of interest to more than one editor. If you have any further questions about the rewrite, it's better to post them there. I have the page on watch now, so can respond fairly quickly. Hope that helps. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:19, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Thank you so much, Voceditenore! That's a very helpful explanation. I'll reply further on talk. I appreciate your guidance! Marquardtika (talk) 21:11, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Opera portalEdit

If you want, File:Haydée, ou Le secret Act II - Philippe Chaperon.jpg and File:Le comte Ory - Dubois & chez Martinet - Final scene.jpg are now featured, both here and on Commons. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 21:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Brilliant, Adam! I'll get cracking on that later today. Thanks so much. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Oh, just noticed: Try to remove the Rosabel Morrison Carmen image that's in the rotation. It turns out that's for a no-singing adaptation of the underlying plot. Probably easiest to replace. Joséphine Fodor looks like she'll be passing soon, and I have a Gilette de Narbonne image and a William Tell done, but am kind of waiting for the slump to end. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.4% of all FPs 15:06, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

Thank you for your considered edits of this page. It was very out of date so I simply wanted to add the correct facts. I tried to add all of my international work and discography but perhaps I did it wrong. There is possible citing and facts available for all of the work. Best wishes and thanks NickySpence (talk) 06:49, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page to keep the conversation in one place. Voceditenore (talk) 10:29, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

Shiny thing archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:35, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Thank you very much, Martin! You're very kind. I'm still twiddling with it and uploading more of his non-opera stuff to Commons too. I may eventually add a section on his style, but best laid plans...and all that. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Philippe ChaperonEdit

I know it's in flux, but I do wish you hadn't removed the Huguenots image right after I nominated it, listing its presence in Chaperon. Ah, well, it happens, and the gallery does look very good. Do think that one it's worth considering for there, though, just because he has a number of that sort of ceiling effect in his ouevre.

Oh, also, I updated the Oberon image for full resolution. I think you may have tweaked the colours? I wouldn't, though, the BnF is usually pretty accurate, and it clearly uses white paint, which often indicates buff-coloured paper. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.3% of all FPs 09:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Adam. Thanks so much for the better image of Oberon. I feel that one is a much more interesting image than the gloomy Huguenots one, especially with that bulky framing which greatly reduces the visibility of the actual stage set. However, I don't think we should choose the images in an article purely on the basis of an ongoing FA nomination process, especially since the Huguenots image is linked in that opera's article. I've also added the Haydée FA to Portal:Opera/Selected picture/92 and replaced the Carmen poster at Portal:Opera/Selected picture/6 with the Comte Ory image, as you suggested above. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:54, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Probably right. Do kind of wish we used the Oberon image in, well, the Oberon article, though.
As for the image: Do you know {{CSS image crop}}? It's a little awkward to get used to, but very powerful. That's why I try to avoid too-tight crops where possible (the Rigoletto image, where it was obviously pasted into a frame then tore out again is one thing; but consider the situation where you want to fit an image onto, say, a postcard. If it's super-tightly cropped, there's nothing you can cut to get the aspect ratio except the image itself. If you have some paper, though, you can make it look nice. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.3% of all FPs 15:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Good idea about the Oberon article. I've added the image there as well and removed this one, a dreary sheet music cover with a very tangential connecton. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:10, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Ugh. I mean, sometimes it can be useful to show that a song entered the popular repetoire... but that image. Better to just talk about it if it's useful enough. Think anything else on Gallica is worth it? I think only;2 is sufficiently well-documented, though, especially as the last image on that page indicates a second Oberon... Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.3% of all FPs 17:53, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

New Year's Greetings from BostonEdit

Dear VdiT, Welcome to the Year of the Pig! I appreciated your lovely Christmas message.

We're at it again in the Future of Music class. If we might impose upon you again this semester, I'd be grateful.

Hoping you're well,

Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 22:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Opera PortalEdit

I'm afraid there may be a.. few new things for the opera portal's FP section.

And La Esmeralda has one up for voting. Thought ye'd like to know. I've done the initial setup for all of them to cut down on the workload.

Little bit of strategic planning, but the Rossini and King George IV one might not be a bad way to get an extra main page spot (as part of WP:POTD for Rossini in particular, as opposed to his works. @Tim riley and Smerus:: What d'ye think would be a good date to grab for it? 29 Feb 2020?? Or is the article planned for then? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.4% of all FPs 19:59, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

All done. Thanks so much for the set up, Adam, and even more for the beautiful pictures! You're really on a roll  . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:30, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

No worries! I actually have a few more coming up: La Esmeralda and Fervaal, are stuck at four votes, as en-wiki FPC tends to do for a while, and Cavalliera Rusticana has one of the two images done. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.4% of all FPs 18:04, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Louis TreumannEdit

I'm in need of a quick bit of advice - is it permitted to create a English Wiki article sourced entirely from, say, the German Wiki? Whilst looking at The Merry Widow I saw that the first Danilo Danilovitsch is a redlink. Louis Treumann on the German wiki is interesting and appears to be nicely sourced. Could I extract information for Louis Treumann from that page, and copy over the references, or would that be verboten? (I remember someone on the Spanish Wiki once diligently translating the entirety of our Philip Larkin page, but that was many years ago.) Word of caution: his biography has a nasty kick at the end almost-true 12:52, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Almost! Long time no see. Yes, it's absolutely fine to do that. Just make sure you copy over the references. When you've created the article, you need to paste the following on Talk:Louis Treumann:
{{translated page|de|Louis Treumann|version=181800719|small=no}}
Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for this advice, which I have done my best to follow :) Best wishes, almost-true 13:13, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Operal portalEdit

Do you prefer to do new FPs in batches or as they come? Nothing's passed... yet... but, FPC is pretty predictable, so I cam fairly safely say there's two in the next couple days, and four within the week. I'm happy to do the summaries, but I was kind of of the impression you liked to try to keep some consistency between them. But I'm happy to do them if you don't mind. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.4% of all FPs 11:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Hey, just to note, I've set them up; I haven't written the descriptions because... well, frankly, you do such a good job at it that I didn't want to do them without permission. Do note the Cavalliera Rusticana images haven't technically passed yet, but it's universally supported and over the quorum so there's little chance of it not doing so; but you may want to wait a day and a half for it to be closed if that's a problem. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.4% of all FPs 14:51, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Hi Adam. I haven't been able to get to these yet and I'm off to the US for almost a month. Could you go ahead and do the descriptions? I can always nip in and tweak them later. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:39, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Need to sit down and force out a couple short descriptions of Cavalliera Rusticana, have done the rest. Well, except Carmen has passed now, and I haven't done that, and I have two operatic sopranos (Lucy Arbell and Célestine Galli-Marié) in the FP pipeline, but who's counting, right? Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.5% of all FPs 05:09, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Request for AdviceEdit

Hi Voceditenore, my name is Drew Sinha, I am a student in Professor Isaiah Jackson's class at Berklee College of Music. Recently for the class I wrote an article for the musician Andy Wood and I was wondering if you would be kind enough to take the time to look over my draft and offer any advice for improvements or alterations I could make. My draft can be found through my sandbox (User:Drewsinha/sandbox), but here's a direct link to the draft (Draft: Andy Wood (guitarist)). I look forward to hearing your feedback, and appreciate your assistance. - Drewsinha (talk) 15:41, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpEdit

Hi Voceditenore, this is Drew Sinha writing you again to thank you for the advice you gave in regards to my draft on the guitarist Andy Wood. I implemented all the recommendations you made into my article, which you can find here. I appreciate your assistance, and any further advice or improvements you would make would be welcome as always. Drewsinha (talk) 21:04, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Mark Nelson (scientist)Edit

It cheers me up to see your intervention at Mark Nelson (scientist). Thank you. I gave up too soon. Best, Superp (talk) 09:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Superp! Happy to bring some cheer. I must say, I've walked away from similar messes, but not this one. I had rescued it from AfD. The article on his consulting company Institute of Ecotechnics (written by someone else) has also suffered from his ministrations. Onwards and upwards. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:22, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Italics or not?Edit

Good morning! I'm looking for the best of way of resolving what seems to me an inconsistency in Wikipedia's practice. We are not consistent from article to article in italicising the terms for different genres of opera—opéra bouffe, opéra comique etc. The Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music doesn't address the point, unless I am looking in the wrong place (by no means a possibility to be discounted), and we have an article on opéra bouffe for instance, that italicises the term and an article on operatic genres that doesn't. There are many more examples of articles that do and don't italicise the term. If, as it seems to me, there isn't a party line on the matter, I think we need to establish one, but I don't know where best to air the subject. The WP opera project has a page—by you—where the point might be addressed, and I'd be glad of your thoughts on the matter. (Apologies if there is guidance already and I've missed it.) – Tim riley talk 08:57, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Tim. I think what applies is the Wikipedia-wide MOS:FOREIGNITALIC: Wikipedia uses italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English. So... spaghetti vs. opera seria. I must confess, though, that I'm pretty inconsistent with italics in those situations myself, mainly because to the non-specialist, italicized opera seria, opéra bouffe, etc. in articles about operas and composers can make them look like opera titles rather than opera genres. By the way, the bulk of Wikipedia:WikiProject Opera/Article guidelines was written by other OP editors starting in 2008. I split it from the (at the time) HUGE main project page in 2011 and have subsequently copyedited and clarified a lot of it. I doubt if the OP could or should take a different party line to the MOS guidance, but perhaps a mention of this issue in the OP guidelines and link to MOS:FOREIGNITALIC? I'll run this past other members at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:24, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
Good! Thank you very much for that, Voceditenore. I'll watch that page and await comments with interest. Tim riley talk 13:29, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for updates on list of Laureate schoolsEdit

Voceditenore, thank you for helping update the List of Laureate Education institutions.CollegeMeltdown (talk) 16:03, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

Just a quick ciao because your annual Wikibreak will be here almost as soon as we've washed the pasta dishes and put out last night's wine bottles. So lest I forget (frightfully busy, should have retired in RL 5 years ago but my boss won't let me), here's wishing you a happy holiday!

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Tante grazie, Kudpung! I'm looking forward to our annual month in the Maremma—not to mention the mozzarella, the pecorino and honey, the tagliatelle con funghi porcini.... Take care, don't work too hard, and thank you for thinking of me. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:42, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes Issue 34, May – June 2019Edit

Vanished photographEdit

@Voceditenore: The photograph for Heather Kuzmich vanished weirdly, on the revision history page it is not listed as being removed. Can you do some investigating to see what happened.Catfurball (talk) 22:47, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Catfurball. I'm completely unfamilar with that article, but I had a look at the revision history. It previously had at least three different images, all were deleted as copyright violations: File:Heather Kuzmich.jpg (deleted 27 April 2008), File:Heatherk.jpeg (deleted 19 February 2008), and File:Heatherk.jpg (deleted 22 September 2008). Once an image is deleted, a bot will simply delink it from the article. See here and here, for example. There is a similarly named image on Commons, File:HeatherK.jpg, but that is a picture of Heather Knox. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:01, 25 July 2019 (UTC)


Many thanks for rescuing and this page 26 JULY 2019Clive sweeting (talk) 16:50, 26 July 2019 (UTC)Clive sweeting

You're very welcome, Clive sweeting. It was my pleasure. By the way, I've moved your comment here to my talk page. By mistake you had added it to my user page. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 17:05, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Correcting a Reflist misprintEdit

Hi, VdT! Thank you for helping the students and me again this past semester: we enjoy demystifying Wikipedia.

Having spotted an error in the Peroneus longus article, I don't know how to correct it. The reference cites "Layola University Chicago" when, of course, it should read "Loyola University Chicago", as a glance at its URL shows. Would you kindly tell me what I should do?

In other news, I'm not offering "A Vision of Music's Future" this autumn, but we'll be back in the New Year.

Here's hoping that the heat hasn't brutalized your summer unduly,

Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 19:53, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi IJ! Sorry for the late reply. I was in Italy all of August and the first 3 days of September. Plenty of heat, but the plenty of sea to jump into and ceiling fans at the house. Anyhow, I see that one my of ever-helpful talk page watchers has stepped in and fixed the misprint. Looking forward to meeting your next Berklee brood in the New Year. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:39, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
Hi,VdT! I'm glad that the misprint got fixed. Taking a break from music's future this autumn, the students and I will be back in the spring. Love your Italian vacations! Ijmusic (talk) 20:18, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

FPs etc. to doEdit

Portal:Opera/Selected biography:

Maurice Ravel

Alan Bush

Portal:Opera/Selected article:

Orpheus in the Underworld - Watch the image on this one - I'm really not sure why they think the lead image isn't suitable for Commons...

Handel's lost Hamburg operas

Falstaff (opera) File:Falstaff 3.jpg I do like that image. A lot. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.9% of all FPs 21:34, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Adam! The Orpheus in the Underworld image is clearly public domain in both the US and France. The artist has been dead for well over 70 years and Gallica also labels it as "Public Domain" [41]. It ought to be uploaded to Commons. As for the Falstaff pic, it really is stunning. I made a cropped version to use in the "Selected article" section. I look forward to the uncropped version ending up in the "Featured picture" rotation on the portal. Thanks too for setting up the new FA pages for rotation. Above and beyond the call of duty after all your hard work in making them FAs in the first place! I've finished off some of the descriptions and we're all caught up now. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 05:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Opera PortalEdit

Afraid I've been a bit bad at bringing over images since we got the rotation at the top of the Opera Wikiproject page. I THINK I've caught up everything, though I didn't do all the descriptions yet; I'll finish that tomorrow. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.9% of all FPs 04:38, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

See above  . Voceditenore (talk) 06:01, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

On the subject of modern productions: There's a lot of productions I wouldn't want to see used as illustrations unless they were independently notable. The Scottish Opera Sci-fi Magic Flute really didn't add much from all the changes, for instance, and would misrepresent the opera (and had rather dull sets). The 90s/early 2000s trend towards using stark lighting and minimalist sets and modern costumes made a lot of productions of very different operas look very similar. So.... I think we need a little care in which modern productions we hold up. Aida has some lovely shots, the Falstaff image is gorgeous, and it'd be worth trying to get more releases, but we do hit up against the problem that if we get a release, but it's so eccentric as to be unusable, we may have more problems getting the next release. I quite liked the recent Scottish Opera Rigoletto, but the modern dress meant that we'd have to have the right scene for it to visually be a good representation of the opera, because otherwise it's just a man with a hump in a suit, talking to another man in a suit. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.9% of all FPs 08:15, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Agree 100%. They need to be high quality and capture the essential "spirit" of the opera at the same time, like the Falstaff one. I've removed several of those photos of modern opera productions myself. They added nothing to the articles about the operas, and in many cases misrepresented them. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:24, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
La boheme, in the right production, might be interesting: As it's one that's by default modernised now, modern productions look so different than the historical that we could really use a few images. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 6.9% of all FPs 01:25, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Copyright problem on University of LawEdit

Hi Voceditenore. A recent bot report prompted my visit to the above page. Unfortunately quite a bit of copyright content has crept into the page over the years, added by various editors. I have removed it, and will be doing revision deletion going back quite a ways. Just thought I'd let you know first so that you can have the opportunity to see what-all I removed. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Hi Diannaa. I've reverted your latest removal. It was a clear case of backwards copyvio which I have documented at Talk:University of Law#Backwards copyvio. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:51, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Article Rescue Barnstar
You've certainly earned one!Niggle1892 (talk) 00:49, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank you, Niggle1892. You're very kind   Voceditenore (talk) 16:51, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 35, July – August 2019Edit

DYK for Marie-Thérèse GauleyEdit

 On 6 October 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marie-Thérèse Gauley, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when Marie-Thérèse Gauley premiered the title role of Ravel's opera L'enfant et les sortilèges, he praised both her acting and her "ravishing voice"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Marie-Thérèse Gauley. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Marie-Thérèse Gauley), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

valereee (talk) 00:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank youEdit

For bringing that to my attn re: Suzy Loftus page! Editing now Shneff (talk) 14:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Voceditenore (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Opera project NovemberEdit

Hi, I have completed Claudio Bonoldi, Violante Camporesi and Carolina Bassi. Feel free to check and edit if necessary. Thanks Jay (talk) 05:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Jay! Well done! Sorry for my late reply. I too have been immersed in various ladies' biographies. It's amazing how many more articles there are still to write. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 21:02, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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