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Reconsidering the Koffee with Karan episodes listEdit


I saw that you declined making this list its own article.

As the newest season of the show is starting today, I was just wondering if you could please reconsider making it its own article, or at least, if we could just move it back into the main article instead of making it it's own? If bad references are the problem, then why not use this one - there is a catalog of all the episodes on here, the official website:

The only reason I would still ask to keep a list, even when we have that site, is that because on the website you have to navigate all of them manually, which is tedious- if it were on a list it would be much easier.

I don't know if you are from India or not, but this particular talk show is not like others in the west which are a dime a dozen. This is one that is well-established and most people recognize it above almost all other talk shows, and people will tune into it from the star power alone. So for that reason it would be nice if we had the natural listing for episodes because people like to keep track of it. There are particular moments from specific shows that people remember, i.e. pairings and quizzes, etc., so it's not just like a generic talk show where you don't even remember who came on last week. Please reconsider or let us know how we can go about it. Thanks. Rush922 (talk) 07:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Can you find other listings for the guest stars besides TVDB or If the official website has a list you can cite that. Otherwise please cite the news articles that list the episode guest stars. It needs something to show that it is indeed more notable than the generic talk show in booking guests. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:46, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry it's been a while, but I was able to find some news articles that list the guest stars, at least for this particular season. I think this should show that it's more notable in booking guests, that most regular talk shows:
Let me know if this is enough to allow the episode list to be its own article. Thanks.
(As an aside, I have seen other talk show article lists that do use TvDB as a source. For example, check out the episode listing page for the Ellen show (very popular in the US, if you know about it) - )
Rush922 (talk) 01:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Submission RejectionEdit

Hi, you reviewed my wiki article for submission (Anna Clendening) and you denied it, which I understand the reason behind references. However, you said "Making it to the quarterfinals of America's Got Talent doesn't mean she is now notable. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)". What do you mean by that? Should I not include that she was on America's Got Talent?

Also, the references that are not associated with her, the official YouTube of America's Got Talent, is not a valid citation? Are YouTube links not appreciated at all? Crossxroads315 (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2018 (UTC)crossxroads315

It's fine to include her presence in the show, but like I said, that doesn't make her notable. WP:NOTINHERITED But you need more news articles independent of the subject and of the show that cover her career. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:12, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I can include her presence on the show but the reference to the video posted by the official account for America's Got Talent is not reliable? Her presence on America's Got Talent is not notable, but she is a signed recording artist, that's just her history.

Thank you for the tip on news articles. Not trying to come off as defensive, it's just my first article and I'm trying to understand.

Crossxroads315 (talk) 21:19, 22 October 2018 (UTC)crossxroads315

Are the citations I have on the article not apart of the guidelines? Or do I need more than what already have? The citations I gave included an interview she gave with a valid, credible source about her mental illness. The citiation from AllMusic covered her biography and history, another credible, independent source. The other citation included a video of her on season 9 of AGT, provided by the official YouTube of America's Got Talent, a credible independent source.

Again, I appreciate your help, I'm just trying to understand specifically which citations and why, so I know how exactly to make the revisions.Crossxroads315 (talk) 20:24, 23 October 2018 (UTC)crossxroads315

AGT is a primary source as she was in the show. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

But independent articles that cover her history are not? Also, how is an interview she had not a reliable source of information?Crossxroads315 (talk) 21:00, 23 October 2018 (UTC)crossxroads315

Independent articles that cover her history are secondary sources WP:SECONDARY. Interviews depend on whether the interviewee is giving most of the information or whether the interviewer has already disclosed information from their research. If it's mostly interviewee, then it's a primary source for what she says about herself. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:48, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Bratz Super BabyzEdit

Have you watched Bratz Super Babyz? I was watching it and do you think that the movie takes place in the near future because of aliens owning a matter exchanger which which actually turned the main characters, The Bratz Babyz into loose haired Super Babyz? And is the movie like a Magical girl movie because the Bratz have super powers, Like for example, the main characters super powers: Cloe (Seireena): Super Loud (Loud Sound Waves) Jade (Glue Girl): Super Sticky (Super Glue) Sasha (Smartasha): Super Smart (Brains) Yasmin (Speedy Princess): Super Speed (Sonic Speed) Is it just like in those superhero comics? And is the Bratz Super Babyz movie has some Magical girl elements in anime? In fact are the Super Babyz like magical girls, with super powers from a matter exchanger which changed their normal hairstyles into loose haired superheroines? PascalMuganyizi (talk) 20:19, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

No, I have not seen that series. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:39, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Adjustable Censorship pageEdit


While I appreciate your suggestion to merge with video game hidden content and censorship, as mentioned in the page, this does not only apply to video games (though it mostly does). Hence, the merge would leave partial information out. Also, this word has been used in 1) A peer-reviewed scientific article and 2) other wikis. I think that it therefore does grant a specific wikipedia page for that reason.

User:lonnibesancon (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

lonnibesancon, as mentioned on that page, it is not clear what you're trying to detail. Each media does their own editing on their product so that it meets certain ratings and those are described over different articles. Sometimes the government censors the material, sometimes the station censors the material. But that's already covered by the existing articles. Also, wikias are not reliable sources. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:43, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF, please look at the first reference. A **peer-reviewed and published scientific paper** as I mentioned three times already. The term Adjustable Censorship is also used in this article, so while some other pages might mention the practice, it is a term that has been cornered and used in a scientific article. I may get your concern, but that doesn't prevent you or other from actually looking at the first reference of the article which, I repeat myself, not an other wiki. I point to other wikis for examples, not for the definition itself. I get that you guys probably review a great deal of drafts, but it would be nice if you could put in the effort that would save us all time. I do cite scientific and peer reviewed articles, the term is used in one of them so the "no reliable and secondary source argument" does not hold. As for the fact that other pages do cover this, yes they do but for their own topic only (games, movies, ...). The term is broad enough to encompass them all and should therefore have a wikipedia entry. Basically, to make an analogy you are referring to the fact that since all quadrilateral shapes already have a wiki entry covering their properties, we should not create the page for quadrilateral shapes...— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonnibesancon (talkcontribs) 16:50, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
lonnibesancon, you're pointing to an article that requires a paid subscription to access, and the term is not the subject of the paper. According to the abstract, which is the only part I can see "We present the first empirical study on using color manipulation and stylization to make surgery images more palatable. While aversion to such images is natural, it limits many people's ability to satisfy their curiosity, educate themselves, and make informed decisions. We selected a diverse set of image processing techniques, and tested them both on surgeons and lay people. While many artistic methods were found unusable by surgeons, edge-preserving image smoothing gave good results both in terms of preserving information (as judged by surgeons) and reducing repulsiveness (as judged by lay people). Color manipulation turned out to be not as effective." I don't see the words adjustable censorship there. How the heck can I tell that it's a regularly used term in that paper? The rest of your citations are either from TV tropes or Wikias, or Reddit forum posts. Those are not reliable sources. Please present some news articles that use the term on a regular basis so it isn't considered a neologism WP:NOTNEO AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:56, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF, well if you google for the title of the paper you find the pdf, which is why I am saying that you did not really bother at all reading this. Worst case scenario, sci-hub provides ways for you to find papers that are not openly accessible. But well I did do the google search for you: The term is used in section 2.4. So yes its use is quite new, but it is used in at least one **scientific and peer-reviewed paper**. So that's one reliable secondary source. So the basis to remove it for lack of reliable sources does not hold. You also did not reply to my second part. "As for the fact that other pages do cover this, yes they do but for their own topic only (games, movies, ...). The term is broad enough to encompass them all and should therefore have a wikipedia entry. Basically, to make an analogy you are referring to the fact that since all quadrilateral shapes already have a wiki entry covering their properties, we should not create the page for quadrilateral shapes..."
I just looked at that paper, and it references the Wikias and TV tropes as well. This would be like citing a news article that says they got their information from looking up Wikipedia. Like I said, you need to find other news articles to support the use of the term. Based on what they wrote, it still remains a neologism that was popularized by TV Tropes that hasn't had widespread use. It may be in the near future, but not as it stands now. The quadrilateral example does not equate as there is coverage for "what is a quadrilateral" AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:11, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
I think you'll find that it still redirects to the general Censorship article as that has information on all sorts of methods as shown by the navbox in the Censorship article. Template:Censorship Are you trying to make a topic about how the Internet or media is capable of making a decision as to whether to deliver uncensored or censored content based on someone's preference? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes it does also reference these, but if the cornered term is in a peer reviewed paper it does mean that it has been accepted by the scientific community. Well not just how the internet or media is capable of making the decision, but the rest of the article will also contain (I haven't written that yet) information on why it's important to leave the possibility to get graphic content (education, information, ...). These don't relate to the censorship practices. For instance, what Facebook currently does with graphic content is just blur it out until you click to validate that you want to it. This is in no way censorship per se, and their term of use explain that graphic content can be used for education,... Sorry for the late reply, I did not get a notification for your reply AngusWOOF


That user still thinks I'm trying to bring back the "Legends of the Hidden Temple" episode list when all I'm trying to do is figure out when exactly in 1995 the game show last aired. Chances are, that user doesn't want to figure out when in 1995 Legends last aired. Seriously, that user needs to be banned for false accusations.

Alec Borden (talk) 21:45, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

I've gotten conflicting information on whether it ended in 1994 or 1995 as discussed on that talk page. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:46, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
I referenced the "War Fan of the 47 Ronin" production slate and it says that the third season of Legends of the Hidden Temple started production on February 18, 1995.
Alec Borden (talk) 22:38, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
That's not really a readily available source; where the heck did it even come from? Someone's VHS taping of some accidentally broadcast video? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:31, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Real GirlEdit

Hi. Can you please take a look at Real Girl (manga)? I'm thinking about creating critical reception and production sections as well as expanding the characters with manga sources; my goal is to get it to at least a C or a B-class article. I've also created a list of episodes in my sandbox. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:17, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Sjones23, I've only read parts of the manga (constructed the original characters list) but as the show has an anime released, there should be some articles in the usual places for reviews. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:45, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
I see. As usual, I've asked around to see what can be done about the article over at WT:ANIME. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 17:25, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Question: Declined Black Irish Band submissionEdit

Hi Angus Wolf,

Thank you for reviewing this submission. It was a bit longer than some so thank you for giving it your time and energy.

You commented that it reads too much like an advertisement. I believe I can edit it to read more like an encyclopedia.

My question is about "not adequately supported by reliable sources."

As you read, the band has been featured on network television, covered in the Washington Post, the Huff Post and other publications; has the backing of the Smithsonian Institute; and was included in a book, in a documentary, and in materials from Stanford University. It has great American icons of music performing its songs.

My guess is that no American band can even come close to the Black Irish when it comes to writing, producing and performing historical storytelling songs and ballads. They are prolific and one-of-a-kind. Twenty-six albums and nearly 200 original songs!

Please help me understand why you don't feel they are adequately supported by reliable sources so that I can improve my submission and also get better at being a better Wikipedia author. Many thanks.

P.S. I hope the tone of this message doesn't come off snippy or disrespectful in any way. Again, I appreciate the gift of your time in making Wikipedia what it is today. Susan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skohl (talkcontribs) 18:27, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

At this point, it needs a reorg to be more of a band article. See my comments on the draft. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Skohl, I've reorganized the article. It now needs the history section cleaned up and some sources to be cited properly, but mainly the history. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:30, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Nate StaniforthEdit

Hello AngusWOOF, I have taken your comments into consideration for my Draft:Nate Staniforth page and have added in the requested sections as well as some more news sources, could you please take a look at my resubmission, Thank you. StaniforthHistorian (talk) 20:33, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

StaniforthHistorian, when did the TV show air, and what did it focus on? How many episodes? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF, I have gone ahead and added in some more information regarding TV appearances using IMDB, I have also made reference to that article you suggested which mentions his University of Iowa graduation. StaniforthHistorian (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
StaniforthHistorian, it looks like he co-hosted the show with three other magicians and he was only involved in season 2. Is that accurate? [1] You might want to clarify that in the writeup. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:58, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
StaniforthHistorian, also mention his TED talk with some sources. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:00, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF, Good suggestions, I've added in a section on his TED Talks with sources, as well as added in more details to him being the host during Season 2, as well as the fact he was a Co-host. StaniforthHistorian (talk) 22:09, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
StaniforthHistorian also did he have any shticks on that show? Was he known for performing a certain type of trick or were they equally likely. Also did the hosts work together or did they go off and do their own tricks in four different parts? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:11, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOFI've gone back and added in some more detail, from what I've seen they perform independently, I've also added in the commonly performed tricks. StaniforthHistorian (talk) 22:25, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Funny Girls v. Draft:Funny GirlsEdit

I'm not sure what UK series you're referring to? I'm not seeing any.connection to the cross dressing show in the UK. That article looks to be sourced to IMDb. Seems we should get the article on the New Zealand television series up ASAP so readers can locate the right subject, a popular television series in its 3rd season that's even attracted the participation of the Prime Minister. Once it's up I'm sure it will be expanded and improved. Leaving things to languish in draft space doesn't help anyone. FloridaArmy (talk) 07:11, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

I've renamed it to Draft:Funny Girls (New Zealand TV series) but it needs to be beefed up a bit with more news sources and description. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 07:14, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
How does the sourcing compare to the Funny Girls entry? FloridaArmy (talk) 15:28, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Keep them coming. You can use New Zealand Listener for "Noted" and "The Listener" articles: [2] Also threenow profile [3] for external links unless you found another official website for the show. NZ Herald has a lot of articles like [4] [5] This article has some information on how the writers/producers construct the show: [6] Rose Matafeo awards [7] Funny Girls suffrage episode [8] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:38, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, it definitely be expanded and disambiguated from the burlesque show venue. Cam you please move the entry to mainspace so people interested in the very notable subject can find it ans work on it? FloridaArmy (talk) 16:13, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Great American Doll CompanyEdit

Hello. Please tell me what I need to add to get this article published. Can you do it for me?Uncoveringcelebrityhistory (talk) 08:13, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Uncoveringcelebrityhistory, you need to find sources that are independent of the subject to write about the company. The verbiage about Lot 18 needs to be removed as it is copy-pasted from another website. The extensive list of doll offerings should be removed WP:NOTCATALOG. Awards appear to be non-notable as well and sourced by the website. Can you find news articles that post the awards results and reference that instead of the corporate website? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:04, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

about my articleEdit

sir i have posted a article on new era school of sciences chhatri (H.P). Its a high school located in himachal pradesh distt. kangra (H.P) we have a website too please accept my article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Asheeshraina (talkcontribs) 18:37, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Asheeshraina You need to rewrite the article in your own words, and not copy the website's wording. You also need to find news articles that cover your school in detail as well as government websites that list your school. The article should mention it is a high school and what grades it covers. Also, link to Wikipedia articles to show where your school is. I'm assuming it's in India somewhere. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Koffee with Karan episode list revisitedEdit

Hi AngusWoof,

About a week ago you responded to my query above regarding making the Koffee with Karan episode list it's own article. You said that I would need more relevant sources than TvDB. A few days ago I responded and it looks like you were not notified or just didn't see it - I found a few news sources that might help make the case to let it be its own article. Since it was a bit long I'd rather not post all of it here, but instead I'll just post the link to the original query location above where I responded -

If you could answer either there or here I'd appreciate it. Hopefully those sources are good enough. Thanks.Rush922 (talk) 08:38, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Rush922 my concern still stands in that you don't have any reliable sources for the list of guest stars. You're citing TVDB and which are user-submitted/generated databases. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 09:37, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Actually in the response to the original query I added 3 news sources for your consideration:
These are all related to this latest season; I've found it very difficult to find lists as such for previous seasons. And I actually did not cite TVDB or myself. If you're referring to the article itself, I didn't create it- someone else did- I'd just like to see it reinstated is all.
Although I must say, I have seen other talk show article lists that do use TvDB as a source. For example, check out the episode listing page for the Ellen show (very popular in the US, if you know about it) - ). Not sure why that show is allowed to use TvDB, but this one is not?
Rush922 (talk) 09:52, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
That only helps with season 6. The other seasons are still referring to and TheTVDB, which is contributed by its users WP:USERG much like Wikipedia. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 09:55, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
True. I have since found one other link, which refers to season 5: I've actually thought of something else (and I've edited the sources in the article itself to reflect this): I must say, why can I not simply use the season pages from the original web page (Hotstar), that stores all the episodes online to be watched at any time, as a source? It is a direct and reliable source: it IS the company that originally aired it, it literally has a collection of each season, and the original air date of each episode is listed right on the videos themselves. Please see this (season 5) as an example: Notice how on the thumbnail for each video is the episode name and original air date clearly marked. I see no reason why I cannot use each of the Hotstar Season pages as a direct source.
If you are still arguing that it needs evidence of social relevance as per news articles, I have already given that proof in these few links, which I've added in the 'References' section of the article. It clearly shows that this talk show is being covered pretty heavily by even major Indian news outlets. If you need further proof that it has been relevantly covered since it's inception, I've found a few older archived articles:,
But practically, it would be near impossible for me to find lists of each season from all the way back to 2004. That's why I am arguing that the combination of these news articles, plus the Hotstar direct links, should be good enough to infer reliability. I think this is a time where the technicalities of resourcing ought to be given a little leeway for common sense.
If for some reason you disagree, I would please ask to take the matter to either a third party or some higher delegation on Wikipedia if you could lead me to it, as I think I have a strong case. Thanks.
(PS, I think you may have missed a point I made in an earlier answer: I must say, I have seen other talk show article lists that do use TvDB as a source. For example, check out the episode listing page for the Ellen show (very popular in the US, if you know about it) - ). Not sure why that show is allowed to use TvDB, but this one is not?
Rush922 (talk) 10:53, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
Rush922 Hotstar would be okay. That seems to list episodes by season for On Demand kind of services so it is like Hulu. Thanks, that would be much better than TVDB. Please see the edit I did for season 1 on how to reference AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:49, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Great! Thank goodness it is acceptable. Alright, I have taken your example and referenced the other seasons in the same way, and now have resubmitted it. Any idea how long it usually takes to get approved? Thanks.Rush922 (talk) 05:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
I pushed it through. It should be comparable to those podcast listings where they only list guests. Thanks for updating them. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Nice! And thank you as well for all the help. This has been for me a good exercise in both patience and understanding how the Wikipedia 'system' works :)Rush922 (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Rush922 You might want to check with the other editor who tagged it for unreliable sources on which one he or she disagrees with. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:25, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Right, I did just that a few minutes ago actually. I was confused since you had OK'd the Hotstar ones. But Rosguill had issue with a referenced Twitter post, so I replaced it with a news article saying basically the same thing. I wrote on his/her talk page and clarified it, and removed the tag so it should be good. Rosguill seems okay with it for now.Rush922 (talk) 00:57, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

On the article about Wang YanEdit

Hi AngusWoof, thank you very much for your guidance. I've added more references independent to the subject and also some more content. Here's the new article: Draft:Wang Yan (entrepreneur) . Please advise if there's any thing I can do better. Thanks. --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 10:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

I added some more feedback on the draft article. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 00:45, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. More media coverage, articles and books added as independent sources; Content more neutral. Pls review it again. --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 02:48, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
More professional and social activities digged out from my research. Hope these additions make the article more balanced. --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 03:58, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi AngusWoof, some more minor changes have been done, links added. Your acceptance or further guidance will be highly appreciated, so that I can move on to the next article or dig deeper on this one. Many thanks. --Hongkongneteyes (talk) 00:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Hongkongneteyes can you add a comment in the header or talk page about which reference items would meet WP:GNG? That is, they are secondary sources independent of the subject that give significant detail. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:13, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
@AngusWOOF: Following your comments, I reviewed the guidelines of WP:GNG and sorted out the reference items into 3 categories: 1/ those from secondary sources, independent of the subject giving significant details; 2/ those from secondary sources, independent of the subject giving brief details; 3/ those from primary sources that give verified details, but mainly based on biography or press releases related to the subject. I've replaced and eliminated all the tertiary sources from the references. Pls see the header of the article for details. Thanks.--Hongkongneteyes (talk) 09:51, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
@AngusWOOF: Looking forward to your feedback on my answers to your comments of November 3rd, any further suggestions will be highly appreciated. Thanks. Hongkongneteyes (talk) 14:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
@AngusWOOF: Thank you for having taken time to point out the places to fix, I will get them done. I have never thought a wiki article could be so hard to produce. Amazing, a bit like a class on scientific research: more you try to prove more you dig out new elements; more you impose strict criteria on sources more you uncover different aspects of the subject. Will get back to you. Thanks. Hongkongneteyes (talk) 02:17, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Well it's not hard, but a good quality article that isn't a copy-paste of someone's corporate profile requires effort. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:10, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
@AngusWOOF: Thank you very much for your help to restructure the article and correct some of the verbiage. I've done other modifications following each of your comments. Please see the underlined italic notes after each modified point. Curiously, there's someone (Vrsanelamat) removed your previous comments in the header of the article while I was adding stuff into it, you may see in the "view history" page. Please let me know what you think about the modifications, I'll clean up the notes when you think they are OK. Thanks, Hongkongneteyes (talk) 08:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 14:20:30, 29 October 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by CarlySilaEdit

Hi AngusWOOF, thank you for taking the time to review my page! I tried structuring it based off of the other similar companies I found on Wikipedia, but I definitely understand needing more external resources. I am working on that now to help prove that this is a notable topic. Is there a recommended amount of external sources I should aim for? Could you provide more insight into what is too "peacock-y"? I tried writing just the facts, but I might be too close to my writing to see that I strayed. Your feedback can help me improve on this and future pages I work on. Thanks again, CarlySila (talk) 14:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

CarlySila, any verbiage where it looks like it is bragging about the company's success, or sounding like it comes from their corporate brochures, and accomplishments should be neutralized. You can see WP:PEACOCK and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. I wouldn't open with "largest" in the lead sentence. I would remove "the late" and "the passing" for David Hillman. WP:EUPHEMISM The stuff about being one of six or the only one isn't needed unless you're trying to explain finalists and winners. They can see that from the award itself. If you can find more news articles that discuss Southern Management, that would be helpful too. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF, Thank you so much for your help! I've updated the article based on your feedback. Do you mind taking a look and seeing if it's ready to resubmit?
Just wanted to follow up on this. --CarlySila (talk) 15:15, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
CarlySila, can you note which references would meet WP:GNG on either the talk page or comments on the main page? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF I've added them to the talk page. If you have any feedback, please let me know! --CarlySila (talk) 22:30, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
CarlySila, it looks like it's been approved by another AFC reviewer. Congrats! AngusWOOF (barksniff) 04:15, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF Thank you so much for your help, I greatly appreciate it! -CarlySila (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Puminian PunthaseeEdit

Hi AngusWOOF,

I was assigned this professor as an assignment for my analytical chemistry lecture; my grade depends on this article getting published. What can I do to fix it, so that it is acceptable for publication? Also is there a way we could spin the article to make him notable for his teaching?

Thanks in Advance,


Is he tenured? Then you can argue that he meets WP:NACADEMIC #5 "5. The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon)." But I'm not sure about that. Maybe you can see if he meets WP:GNG Here's an article you could use [9] but that needs at least two outside references like that. Lumberjack is a student paper for Humboldt State so it's still connected to the school. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:03, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
I would also remove the student feedback scores and the exact names of classes he teaches. Those aren't really notable. But you need to find more sources that discuss him and his career if it stands a chance of being published. If you can choose another professor that meets #5 above that would be better. Good luck! AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:23, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Also you could try resubmitting and see if another editor might be more sympathetic to your case, after throwing in that columbia missourian article AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
I would have your instructor read WP:INSTRUCTORS and be amenable to considering a draft or sandbox of the article even if it doesn't get published. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Allyson10500, I also suggest cropping a picture to have just him in it for the infobox. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

My rejected wikipedia page.Edit

Dear AngusWOOF, I am concerned about your decision to take my Wikipedia draft down. All it said was that it was a channel and it wasn't really supporting it. Also, there is a coca cola page that says it is a soda and no one has taken that down. Lolz I'z Iz weird (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)Lolz I'z Iz weird

Lolz I'z Iz weird, your user page says otherwise. "Lolz I'z Iz weird (Lol's-eyes-is-weird) is a creator and publisher on Wikipedia and part of the Youtube channel Yerkz Clan. He is a real person and definitely not a robot." (my emphasis) [10] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:48, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
fair enough
(talk page stalker) Lolz I'z Iz weird, please read Your first article ⋅ and Identifying reliable sources Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:04, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Notifications for CSDEdit

Hi! I see that you are doing great work picking up copyvio in drafts – that's so important, thank you! I also noticed that you've sometimes nominated a draft for deletion but not notified the creator – a recent example being Draft:Strategy Execution and User:Strategyex. I don't know what method you're using to add the speedy tag (I use Twinkle), but it doesn't seem to be doing the notifications for you. This is just to ask you try to remember to do them manually if the software isn't doing them automatically. Thank you so much, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:37, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Justlettersandnumbers I'm pondering if it's when I use AFCH and select copyvio CSD from there? I normally use Twinkle for straight up CSDs which should notify the user. Maybe I unchecked something? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:19, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, I was wondering if it was to do with the AFC script, certainly. I don't think I've ever selected to tg for deletion form within the script (rightly or wrongly, if it's an outright copyvio, I don't bother to decline it, but just tag with G12). This might be worth bringing up for discussion with other editors, I think. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:59, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Okay, will keep an eye out for when I try a CSD G12 from within AFCH and see what happens. I know it tags the article but not sure about notifying the author. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:02, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
{u|Justlettersandnumbers}} I just did a AFCH / CSD checkbox on Draft:DgFarm US and it didn't send the CSD notification, so I pasted in the subst:notify afterwards. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:53, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft page Bram van SambeekEdit

Hello AngusWOOF,

I am not sure how this works if you are the one that has to review the submission again. Anyway, in the previous dialogue, I explained what I had changed. Please let me know if it needs any more work.

Enjoy your day.

--Sobatipep (talk) 05:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Sobatipep, you can resubmit it and any of the AFC editors can review it if I don't get around to it. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you AngusWOOF, it has been resubmitted. --Sobatipep (talk) 12:45, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Chase CarterEdit

I didn’t say appearing in SI was her notability, that’s just one work she has done. But if that’s the barometer, she has been on the cover of a notable magazine. She has several reliable sources that have written articles on her, not just mere mentions in them.Trillfendi (talk) 16:08, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Trillfendi, I do like the detailed coverage on some of those articles about the model; I'm just trying to see how the article can bring out the aspects that make her meet WP:NMODEL. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

DRAFT:Honest_Mum editsEdit

Thank you for your great edits to DRAFT:Honest_Mum. I understand most of your edits and I learned a lot from them.

I think the mention of specific article titles was not cruft because the titles weren't meant to be notable in themselves, but rather to give the reader a more concrete idea more specifically of what the general statements about lifestyle, etc. really come down to. But I cut that section quite a bit anyway.

Thank you for helping me understand how things should be bolded, italicized, etc. The replacement of my section titles with more standard ones, in a more standard order, was a huge benefit.

I also think that there may be some gender bias creeping in when activities involving hundreds of thousands of WOMEN on a daily basis are considered not notable. Both Honest Mum and BritMum are big deals to a rather significant subculture in several countries, and the fact that a book published by a major publishing house has resulted from blog activities suggests that a feminine pursuit (blogging about female concerns) is surfacing in major media. I could list a bunch of page view statistics in the hundreds of thousands based on Google Analytics; does that indicate notability better than what is already there?

The most elusive element is NPOV. I thought I was there, but clearly not, so thank you again.

See if you can find more news sources that aren't coming directly from Honest Mum or Brit Mum. We're trying to get the article to stand on WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT They should give an objective description of the blog site, even some criticism, and aren't press releases connected to the site, and not be passing mentions. If Honest Mum extends beyond UK you can find some news sources from those countries as well. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
If there are some notable women's websites (ones with Wikipedia articles) that discuss Honest Mum, that would be helpful too. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:23, 2 November 2018 (UTC)


Sorry for bothering you, it is the first time when I'm trying to create a topic.

Yesterday I created a topic and sent it to a review

You rejected it, I fixed the issue and sent it once again. And now I don't understand what is happening now. I see that you have removed one of my references. But what is now? Have you rejected it once again or is it still under review?

Could you explain me? Thanks in advance.

Thanks, Anton — Preceding unsigned comment added by SittingOnTheSeat (talkcontribs) 12:44, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

SittingOnTheSeat, basically you can't cite other Wikipedia articles as a reference as that would be WP:CIRCULAR. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 15:41, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, you wrote " Comment: See if you can find more reviewers that are on WP:VG/RS Pocket Gamer is one of them but it appears to be a very brief article. Need some in-depth ones. " But I also used a reference to It is the whole article dedicated to Lordmancer 2. Do you think that two reliable sources are not enough?

Pocket Gamer doesn't go into depth on the game; it's only a passing mention. Kotaku is better. Can you find another one like Kotaku that is qualified under WP:VG/RS? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:52, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft: PEI-Genesis Submission on 11/1 by SnydejEdit

Hi AngusWoof. I'm trying to clean up my submission that was rejected on 11/2 in terms of providing more reliable sources and by changing the tone of the article. I have changed a good bit and feel like it reads very similar to a company's page in the same industry called "Mouser Electronics" ( They use a few citations from their website as well that was not rejected. Just looking for a little more guidance on if the tone of my article is better, and how many more sources deemed reliable it would take to be accepted. Thank you for your help. Snydej (talk) 14:53, 2 November 2018 (UTC) Snydej 11/2

Snydej Can you find sources that aren't press releases? It needs to meet WP:ORGCRIT with secondary sources independent of the subject. Getting press releases from Amphenol or PEI itself is still connected to the subject. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:37, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Creation on New Article Draft:Liu GuodaoEdit

Hi @AnguWoof:, could you please help me to review another article I created here: Draft:Liu Guodao? I tried to take all your previous comments in consideration. Your advice will be highly appreciated. Many thanks.--Hongkongneteyes (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I would apply the same advice as recommended on the Wang Yan article as a starter, and as long as it has plenty of WP:GNG sources, you can submit it. Doesn't have to wait for me to review. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:29, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft for Sole DXBEdit

I added the information you requested in a comment at the top of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trea4521 (talkcontribs) 21:09, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Trea4521, it looks like the article has been approved. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:24, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Matthew S - I followed your directionsEdit

Hi AngusWOOF, thank you very much for your support! I followed your directions to create my article. Are they okay now? I hope so! If it's not ok... Can I ask you for help in creating my article? I'm writing an article about a famous Italian artist. Best, KIODOS — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiodos (talkcontribs) 19:11, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

I have adjusted the whole structure of my article about Matthew S I hope now it's ok. Please let me know. This is my first article! I hope to make many others. Thank you so much for your work. Kiodos (talk)

I have adjusted the whole structure of my article about Matthew S. I hope now it's ok. Please let me know. This is my first article! I hope to make many others. Thank you so much for your work. Kiodos (talk)

Please indicate on the draft which articles enable it to meet WP:MUSICBIO requirements. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

As articles you say Reference link? I answered you directly in the draft. I have read the "Criteria for musicians and ensembles". From how I wrote in the article He respects all the points. Kiodos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 08:29, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiodos Thanks for listing those articles; editors can now review those for MUSICBIO. I don't see where he meets #2 "Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart." or #3 "Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country." or #8 "Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award.". So can you clarify what you mean by he meets all the points? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:42, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you so much for this clarification, then as I wrote in the article Matthew S was named "MTV best new generation", I added some reference links, and this summer was in the Top 10 MTV Dance Chart, with Many international artists like David Guetta, Tiesto, Bob Sinclair (also here I have inserted the reference link). He also participated with Benny Benassi and Robin Schulz at the MTV digital days(also here I have inserted the reference link). Can this be enough or do you need more information? I've been as complete as possible. Kiodos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:04, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiodos, MTV isn't really the country's national music chart or a major national award, so maybe other articles per musicbio. I found one by Alto Vincentino Online that I just added to the lead paragraph, which could help with secondary sources. Can you rewrite the timeline section into prose? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:07, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your edit, What meaning in prose? sorry :-) Kiodos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Kiodos convert the listings of what he has done into paragraphs. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:16, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Done, I corrected. Now it's ok? Thank you for all! Kiodos (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:33, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF what should I do now? Do I still have to make changes to the article? I have not received any news from you. You are very kind! Kiodos (talk)

AngusWOOF I have no more changes to make in this article. Do I have to wait for your confirmation of publication? What I have to do ? Thank you! Kiodos (talk)

You can resubmit it if you want and maybe another editor can take a look. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:44, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I've seen many artists on wikipedia with articles written by local newspapers. I hope this goes well! You could not confirm my article now? How can I resubmit it ?? Kiodos (talk)

Kiodos, it appears to be resubmitted. I left a comment on the article for someone else to review the sources. To me, it's very borderline as most of them are still interviews or primary, and the ones that are not are passing mentions / insignificant coverage. But another reviewer may beg to differ. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I wrote on kiwi IRC, they gave me support for the correction of the article. I have corrected some points. Now it's OK. Could you confirm the publication of my article? --Kiodos (talk) 17:54, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I wanted to ask you if I need to add other reference links to my article, best --Kiodos (talk) 23:19, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Super Snake HDEdit

You recently rejected this page for not having the right resources. I agree with that, so I removed the random YouTubers, and tried to find reviews on Metacritic or GameRankings. However, the first has the game listed but no reviews are available, and the second doesn't have the game listed at all. Now you may ask, why want to include this game at all? Well, since this is the only game published by YoYo Games's original author Mark Overmars himself. The app's popularity has on its peak in 2013 been ~50.000 downloads as far as I'm able to track that, so I would like to include this page not based on it's popularity but rather on the fact Overmars created it. It has recently (after some discussion) been added to the List of GameMaker Studio games and I was wondering how and if it would be possible to create this Wikipedia page. Thanks for answering!HollandMill (talk) 10:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

HollandMill, if you have game reviews supported by reliable sites as listed by WP:VG/RS, then try to use those. Same with academic papers and news articles that might have discussed his work. If this is Overmars's only game, then why not create a section on the game in his article? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:18, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF, several sites in the list mention the game or have a page about it, but most of them contain zero reviews, e.g. Metacritic: The only one I found to show a review is Pocket Gamer: As far as I can find, it is his only game, but it was made together with Jochem Schut (designer). Therefore I didn't want to just make a small mention of the game on Overmars's page. I don't have too much experience on Wikipedia, so I wish to ask: what do you think? What would be the best to do? HollandMill (talk) 14:58, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
nl:Mark Overmars has a brief paragraph about the game and collaboration with Schut. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:32, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
AngusWOOF Thanks, I'll incorporate it in Overmars's page instead. The Draft page on Super Snake HD can therefore be removed.

Submission rejectedEdit

Dear AngusWOOF, you declined my article submission, however I disagree with your assessment. You indicate that my sources are not reliable, however BoardGameGeek is the most famous blog about board games and an authority in the field and it is listed as source of all board games and board game designers article on WikiPedia (it is in some cases the only source provided for this class of articles); AIAA is a peer-reviewed scientific journal and KU Leuven is a top European University. If you have any suggestion for me, I would really appreciate it in order to improve my article before re-submission. Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AstroEmy (talkcontribs) 11:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

AstroEmy, Board Game Geek is user-generated WP:USERG and KU is connected to his work as a primary source. Please find secondary sources indepenent of the subject that will meet WP:GNG and WP:NACADEMIC AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:14, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand why admins always decline my article. AngusWOOF reviewed my article and said that it is a single line. Explain me why there are tons of articles that have a single line but are accepted? For example,

Regards, Vardges — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aredit85 (talkcontribs) 16:10, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Aredit85 Please read WP:OSE and WP:WITHIN AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:36, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Article on Flying TheatersEdit

Many thanks for your comments, Woof. For reference I copy it here: Comment: This reads more like a brochure. Need more formalized section headers. Need to connect descriptions to references. there are whole paragraphs that are unreferenced. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:23, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand that I was too enthusiastic when I said that something is "a perfect fit for museums". I also understand that I need to connect descriptions to references more thoroughly. But what do you mean by "more formalized section headers"? Thanks for your help. Cheers, Andreas Entertainmentpro (talk) 10:02, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Entertainmentpro The header "One goal - different concepts" is more like a brochure header for advertising rather than something for an encyclopedia article. Maybe you can look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Standards for structure recommendations and Wikipedia:WikiProject Amusement Parks/Featured Content for examples of some of the top articles? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Amusement Parks/Standards is very helpful - thx! Entertainmentpro (talk) 08:12, 8 November 2018 (UTC) I also looked at the sources on the Wikipedia article on "Soarin'" and saw that there are also no articles or publications on the original ride in Anaheim (there seems to be nothing on the internet). One question: can an article in the Washington Post from November 2017, which is now behind a paywall be used as a reference? Entertainmentpro (talk) 08:15, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Paywall sources are okay to include (WP:PAYWALL). If it's an agency-based (e.g. Associated Press, Reuters) article, then other papers might have available for free. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:40, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

stub tagsEdit

Please take care not to add {{stub}} to an article which already has a specific stub tag, as you did here.

And why do you think it needs more or better references? The two provided look reliable and seem to support the entire text of this stub.PamD 19:05, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

PamD, I was stubbing it from the Page Curation / New Pages Feed. Should it just be checkmarked as good then? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 19:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
PamD, if that's all that can be found about the subject, should it be marked as a WP:PERMASTUB then? It's a really flimsy dictionary definition of a notable person. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:00, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
It's a stub, but was already tagged as {{UK-artist-stub}}, so there's no point in adding {{stub}} which does nothing except to bring it to the attention of stub-sorters, whose time you will be wasting. She's notable, she has material in national collections. A stub needs expansion, by definition. Just accept this harmless article and move on to those which are damaging the encyclopedia. PamD 20:20, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 01:08:45, 11 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by RealityTVfanaticEdit

hi, I need help with getting the proper non biased sources for this article so it can get approved. I used some sources from the production of her show, namely corus entertainment that produces real housewives of Toronto and also a convention bio, which I guess isn't a proper source. Can someone help me fix up the citation sources of this page. WE can delete the quote. that's fine. Please help.

RealityTVfanatic (talk) 01:08, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

RealityTVfanatic The only one that's kind of a decent source is the King Weekly Sentinel article. Everything else is just passing mentions or primary sources / press releases. Hello! Magazine is mostly interview so that's primary. Can you find more like the King Weekly, where the writer has done research on her career? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 18:53, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 04:20:09, 11 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by VrsanelamatEdit


Vrsanelamat (talk) 04:20, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Vrsanelamat, please see my comments at the draft. You need to connect the references you found to the article, also indicate which references will enable him to meet WP:GNG AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:17, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

I need help with Joan Kelley WalkerEdit

Hi, I need a editors hand to clean up this article for re submission, can you please help. Or tell me how I can engage volunteers to help with it.

RealityTVfanatic (talk) 11:04, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

New article declinedEdit

I saw you rejected the new article about "Kate Manne" on the ground not sourced and not notable. I disagree. I properly sourced both her book and her assistant professorship. The Book has hundreds of reviews so definitely notable.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chickensparta (talkcontribs) 19:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

You should cite the reviews from the major critics then to show she meets WP:NACADEMIC or WP:NAUTHOR. Like I said before if she is only an "assistant professor" she won't be able to meet WP:NACADEMIC #5: "The person holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon)." AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:25, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Zig programming language articleEdit

I added a `Design` section to the article, in hopes that it would make it seem like less of a manual page.

The examples aren't meant to mirror manual pages, but instead give a brief view into how common tasks are written in the language. I did this in lieu of finding other programming languages that do the same (e.g. Nim programming language, Haskell programming language). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benji is me (talkcontribs) 20:21, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Benji is me, can you find some news articles that discuss the language? That would give it more notability than shared repository sites like Github. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:23, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

The only articles I could find were the ones from "," "," and "". The language is somewhat new, but has gained a lot of attention recently. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Benji is me (talkcontribs) 20:27, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Okay, keep those new ones coming then. The more mainstream (has wikipedia article), or is a reputable computer programming magazine/journal, the better. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Request on 07:38:13, 13 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by

I need help on getting the article creation, as per your guidelines. (talk) 07:38, 13 November 2018 (UTC), please see my comments on that draft. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!Edit

Please change my drafts name [ Joon gotra ] to Joon (Indian Surname)

Translafive (talk) 19:15, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

A beer for you!Edit

  thanks Translafive (talk) 19:26, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
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