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You are now an administrator

Congratulations on a fine showing at your request for adminship, which I've closed as successful. Now go ferret out some vandals! –xeno^talk 15:25, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Get digging.. (ferrets dig right?)

• Congratulations Ferret! Take it slow, don't get caught up in drama where possible, and keep cool when it's unavoidable - my talk page is always open if you need it -- Samtar ^{talk · contribs} 15:27, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
• Congrats!! As always, feel free to come to me about anything too! Sergecross73 msg me 15:28, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Your t-shirt!

• Congrats :) Sam Walton (talk) 15:42, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
• Congrats! Your first job is to start giving template editors access to more templates. It's a small task, but you're going to be one of the few that understand it. --RexxS (talk) 18:41, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
• Congratulations from me as well! —MRD2014 (talk • contribs) 22:18, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
• Congratulations. Best of luck. Donner60 (talk) 04:03, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

welcome to the mop corps

Congratulations on your successful RFA! I'm so pleased that I'm able to spam the talk pages of so many new admins with the words of wisdom I received from the puppy after my RFA passed – almost ten long, sordid, I-really-should-have-found-a-better-hobby years ago:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. (I got nothing here. It's inevitable. I'm sure you've done it already.) Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. Without exception, you will pick the wrong one to do. (See #5.) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. (You'll attract many more of those now, because mop. They must like to drink the dirty water in the bucket.) Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block, because really, what else is there to live for? Remember that when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. It will not be a personal attack because we are admins and, therefore, we are all rouge anyway. Finally, remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. Katietalk 15:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales, because if it did, it would be much, much better. All rights released under GFDL.

The thing, it happened! --Izno (talk) 15:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Congrats on your successful RFA! Before you start using your mop, please sit down and have a cup of 'joe; I made it myself! —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 16:05, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Congrats again, you're beating me to blocks at WP:AIV. Making good use of the tools! ...at the expense of my sanity. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 15:33, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Congratulations

Well done. I told you there was nothing to worry about. Welcome on board! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:08, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

A great incorporation to the new group of January admins. Just cool!--Jetstreamer ^Talk 21:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Precious

ferret vandals

Thank you for quality articles on video games such as Banishe and Space Run, for maintaining several templates and modules such as Module:Video game wikidata, for fighting vandalism and gnomish help, now also as an admin, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

RfA and precious - what more could an editor ask for? Well done, now the backlog at WP:RFPP is thataway.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:04, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Congrats on the Administration!

Congratulations on becoming an administrator! I wasn't allowed to vote, but I surely would have voted for you, because of your skill as well as how helpful you are on Astroneer. Take care and don't abuse the tools! lol. UNSC Luke 1021 (talk) 18:27, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Some stroopwafels for you!

Congratulations on becoming an administrator! Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:10, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you :)

Hi Ferret! Thank you so much for this message, it was a GREAT lesson for my students. I was trying to teach them about validity of internet sources and how easily someone can come through and edit on wikipedia, so they had to make sure to read through the cite sources and cross-reference (no matter which site they were on). I also wanted to show them that there are now PEOPLE behind Wiki that will check your edits and a message would be posted if the sources or info didn't seem reliable. I've never actually had a problem going back and erasing my edit; so sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for adding to my lesson on validity and reliability of internet sources :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.126.81.102 (talk) 20:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Please, if the above is true, do not vandalize Wikipedia intentionally. It takes away time from all the volunteers working to patrol and cleanup vandalism. Repeated vandalism from this IP could result in the entire school being blocked from editing. -- ferret (talk) 01:23, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Nintendo Switch

Thanks for the reversion. By the time I overcame the server errors on my end, my attempted edit was duplicating yours. —David Levy 03:54, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

@David Levy: No problem. I realized later that last good was your last revert but that history was a mess. Do you mind if I lower the semiprot from indef to 1 month? -- ferret (talk) 12:42, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Whoops, I didn't mean to make it indefinite. I just lowered it to a month. Feel free to adjust the duration further (or remove the semi-protection entirely) at your discretion. Thanks again! —David Levy 16:01, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

page move

Hi. I tried moving CO2 (Album) to "CO2 (album)" ('album' lowercased) and it says it can't be done. The page redirects to the artists page. It says t o ask an admin, so here I am can you do it? thanks --Jennica✿ / ^talk 08:49, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done @Jennica. -- ferret (talk) 15:20, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

ISIL/science article vandal

Looks like my 'buddy' decided to make another appearance. I think you've protected all the ISIL articles but just in case. Chrissymad ❯❯❯ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@Chrissymad: Will keep an eye today. May be worth trying a range block. Unfortunately I'm not ready to dip my fingers in that yet. Let me know if they harass or you need any action taken. -- ferret (talk) 15:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Ibn Turk

What is this? Source in the middle. 24.133.181.141 (talk) 21:14, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

I didn't say it was unsourced, I said it was disputed. Take it to the article's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

It was already talked in talk page. Ibn Turk's ethnicity is undisputed. One source about that He wasn't Turkic is unavailable. 24.133.181.141 (talk) 16:10, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

As you've been told a couple times, simply having a source doesn't mean its a reliable source or that some fact isn't disputed. Replying to a talk page doesn't mean you "won" or established a consensus. I'm currently unswayed by your argument that this one Turkish source proves he was Turkish. Further discussion should happen at the article's talk page. -- ferret (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

This IP is making unnecessary edits like this to hip-hop related articles, these edits goes not follow WP:MoS, this IP has made this edit here in this article. I've have reverted the edits made by this IP, and in a few days later this IP made this bold edit. I request a block should be necessary if the IP continue these disruptive edits. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 23:43, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Apologies but a review of the IP seems to be solid good faith edits. I'd recommend leaving the IP a welcome template and explaining about MOS guidelines, rather than treating as disruption. -- ferret (talk) 12:10, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't think unnecessary linking pointless phrases, and changing up bits of text unnecessary should be allowed, because it make the article too hard to read to some readers. I have left a message about MoS but this IP ignore it. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 06:30, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - Agree with ferret on this - it's not like some minor MOS issues warrant a block or anything yet. It may also help if you actually talk to the IP. Those templates notify them that they're doing something wrong, but it's not the most clear on what exactly they're doing wrong. A little more explanation could help. Sergecross73 msg me 15:26, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I don't see linking pointless phrases will help improve the article, and even if I do talk to this IP, it not gonna respond to my comment. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 10:10, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Bottom line is I don't find these edits disruptive. If the behavior continues and you feel it warranted, your next step would be at WP:AN/I. Please don't report to WP:AIV, as its clearly not vandalism edits. -- ferret (talk) 16:12, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

I'm not saying your understanding of your MOS is wrong, I'm saying you're not really handling disputes correctly. You're jumping to the "reporting for misconduct" stage before really making enough of an attempt to solve it through discussion. Its a relatively simple concept to explain, just take an example of what the IP said, and explain that it doesn't really need to be linked because a majority of readers would already understand this basic concept, and we try to avoid those sorts of links to avoid "overload" for the reader. Repeat this for any other different ideas you want to convey. You've taken the time and effort to explain the situation to us...why not take that same effort and direct it towards the IP? Sergecross73 msg me 16:31, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sergecross73: I guess you're have a point. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 10:43, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Refs on videogame plot sections

Hello Ferret,

About a comment you made here, is the referenceless plot sections just common practice or was there a community discussion and consensus about it? I tried looking on the project archive but couldn't find a debate specifically about it. Thanks for your time. Épico ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:07, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

@Épico: WP:FILMPLOT is the most concise statement of this. While oriented for films, it's typically referred to for other media types as well. -- ferret (talk) 13:41, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

I see. Thanks again. Épico ^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:49, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

Star Citizen

Hi, Ferret. I've recently added the ADVERT template to the Star Citizen page. This seems to have sparked a bit of an edit war with User:Nobeaches. Looking at this user's edit history suggests a possible conflict of interest that should prohibit them from editing pages related to Star Citizen, Chris Roberts (game developer) and Cloud Imperium Games. While I realise that this game has a lot of passionate fans, the current consensus from the major gaming media outlets is that its development is in trouble, i.e. [1][2]. The developer is still raising money through crowdfunding, so I think it's SUPER important that the article has a neutral POV. I hope you agree that this should warrant an ADVERT template. 92.12.199.239 (talk) 14:29, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

IP - I've restored the tag already. I would however advise that you join in on the talk page (There's an existing section about the need to include some of the controversies) and add your thoughts and sources to that conversation. -- ferret (talk) 14:31, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

another page move?

Hi ferret. I've come across another page I can't move but it looks like it was previously made: New World Aplhabet - in this case it has a typo. i don't know if the page is relevant to stay though. thanks. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 04:53, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)  Done Sergecross73 msg me 04:59, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

District Court case in Weaver v Zenimax

This is to Ferret. Damage awards take many forms and the Appeals case overturned and reversed the actions of the lower court--including monetary damages. So, it the Appeals decision does supersede in law . Therefore the Appeals court effectively overwrite the lower court when that decision was vacated and remanded. So what I wrote was both accurate and factual, and what you reverted to remains incorrect. If you are going to try and document the history of my company, at least assume-- conflict of interest potential or no--that provable facts trump having a potential conflict of interest. This is not personal opinion being offered. Also, if you research all bankruptcy records in the trial-state DC/MD/VA are you will not find any bankruptcy filing at any time for Bethesda. The reason is because Bethesda was never in bankruptcy and while non-involved people have offered opinions on the subject, and have been quoted in print because it was a good story, have failed to do basic research and double source. There was never any bankruptcy. So, that "heading" and the assumptions that go with it is not true either.

When an insider, with deep knowledge, takes the time to try and clean up factual inaccuracies, you should feel free to request citations or other proof, but it is neither fair nor appropriate to take the position that insider information can never be as good as outsider information due to the potential for a conflict. That kind of thinking is illogical and ultimately works against accuracy. My version is accurate and provable. The existing version is neither.

If you would like to discuss, I will make myself available. But the changes are all factual and therefore should be acceptable to any independent third party.

Christopher Weaver, Founder of Bethesda and Zenimax. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csweaver (talk • contribs) 05:58, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

@Csweaver: I deliberately did not revert your removal about bankruptcy, as I agree. The sources in use never made this claim either, there are only some quotes like "essentially bankrupt", etc, but no claim of having actually filed. My recommendation is, with a conflict of interest, you use the article's talk page to illustrate the changes you want and the sources backing them. This lets more of the editors watching the article see and understand your position and weigh in. -- ferret (talk) 12:28, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Fred Korematsu

Earlier today you set Fred Korematsu to pending changes. Would you consider bumping that to semi protection given the vast majority of the IP/non-autoconfirmed edits are vandalism? EvergreenFir (talk) 18:57, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir and Timothyjosephwood: Timothyjosephwood requested PC1. I will be away for a little bit but if vandalism is still high when I get back I'll look at increasing the level. -- ferret (talk) 19:03, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, at the time I requested it wasn't nearly as bad as it currently is, and the ratio of constructive to nonconstructive was a bit better. No strong opinion either way. Even if semi is over-protection, it should be for a short duration, and so should have minimal damage to the project. TimothyJosephWood 19:12, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Not a strong opinion, but I do think semi would be better given the short duration. Thought I'd ask was all. EvergreenFir (talk) 20:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir and Timothyjosephwood: Done -- ferret (talk) 20:16, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) 20:16, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

X-Men: Days of Future Past

Thought you might want to be made aware that virtually the moment the protection you placed on X-Men: Days of Future Past expired, the same disruptive anon IP that prompted the protection immediately came back. I've reverted him, and given his pattern, I anticipate he'll return. Just a head's up. --Tenebrae (talk) 02:51, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@Tenebrae: Re-applied semiprot for longer duration. -- ferret (talk) 03:38, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Sega Genesis

I had to look at it a couple of times too to make sure the conversation was restored the way it was originally before the anon IP added their comment. Thanks for double-checking! --McDoobAU93 13:13, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@McDoobAU93: Haha no problem, I just had to do a double take. -- ferret (talk) 13:21, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Connection between Two Fallout Games

What do you mean by "This is unimportant as there's no connection between the two games."? Wasn't Fallout: New Vegas set in the same universe? and I know it's a canon Fallout game, as Fallout 4 took place 6 years after New Vegas.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.105.63.8 (talk • contribs) 13:49, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

While they are in the same universe, there is no connection of characters or story events. Fallout 4 is directly tied by characters and timeline of Fallout 3, featuring some characters from Fallout 3 who directly reference those events. It has no such connection to New Vegas, nor are any of the characters aware of any of those events. -- ferret (talk) 13:52, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

reverted edit on LGBT characters in video games

What is the best way to source what I had written in there? I credited Valve's commentary but I'm very new to wikipedia so I may have done something wrong, since it got reverted. any tips? Gr8americantoad (talk) 00:23, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@Gr8americantoad: Does Valve's commentary directly state that there's an LGBT relationship, including Chell's orientation, or is it simply commentary about Glados's conflicting affection/hate for Chell? Such a relationship is certainly not presented in the game, and other secondary reliable sources have made no comment on it. Also, the talk page of the article is often a better place for such discussions. -- ferret (talk) 00:34, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@Ferret: sorry, I'll use the talk page for the article next time. i'm still new to all this. and yes, while there is no confirmed sexuality (lesbian vs bisexual), they describe a romantic relationship between two women, which would certainly be either lesbian or bisexual, and thus LGBT. “And the dysfunctional romance that builds between [Chell] and GLaDOS…” - chapter 3, page 10 (regarding the first game) “The writers knew that the main story arc would have to center on Chell’s relationship with GLaDOS” - chapter 7, page 6 "[Chell] would see a candlelit roast beef dinner prepared by GLaDOS, who would then chastize her for missing dinner because she was too busy cheating on her with a personality sphere.” (chapter 7, page 6)(depicting the deleted scene i mentioned) “Everyone agreed that Portal 2 was going to end with the AI GLaDOS breaking up with Chell” - chapter 11, page 4 and “Yes, he could write a break-up song about a computerized voice falling out of love with a mute girl” - chapter 11, page 4 (regarding Jonathan Coulton’s work on “Want you Gone”). These are all quotes found in the final hours commentary. not to mention i also had added in the translation of cara mia addio and her remarks in the first game on chell breaking her heart (which i understand is not evidence on its own, but accompanied with valve's commentary, would certainly be important information to add). valve definitely describes their relationship as romantic, and they would definitely qualify as LGBT video game characters

Gr8americantoad (talk) 00:57, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

At best, the above suggests a one sided fixation by GLaDOS. It doesn't seem to indicate any sort of reciprocation by Chell. I don't believe this is suitable enough to include in the list, especially considering the lack of any exposure to it in-game or in-comic. It's only in the commentary book. -- ferret (talk) 01:15, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@Ferret: if it's a one sided fixation by GLaDOS, that would indicate that at least she belongs on the list. It's definitely touched upon in the game, considering valve has stated the entire story arc was supposed to be about their relationship, the game was supposed to end with them breaking up (as valve stated), want you gone was supposed to be about her falling out of love with chell (and that song was used in the game), and cara mia addio translates to her doting on Chell (which was also used in the game). Even if the status of their relationship may not be obvious to every player, it was certainly valve's intention and, according to their commentary, an integral part of the entire storyline. Whether or not you saw the relationship dynamic personally doesn't negate the fact that valve states there was romantic interest, and the game devs have the last say in what their game is about. While we can't confirm Chell reciprocates (although given that valve describes it as a relationship and not just an infatuation, that could be debated), it's evident that GLaDOS has these feelings, as the game developers have confirmed, and undeniably belongs on the list.

Gr8americantoad (talk) 01:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@Gr8americantoad: To take another angle, GLaDOS makes no mention of a romantic angle or LGBT relationship. If the main article for the character doesn't cover it, I see little reason to focus on getting it added to the list. -- ferret (talk) 03:10, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

@Ferret: well, that's kind of a moot point considering it can be easily edited to include those facts, and doesn't really recognize any of my above points. if Valve themselves has stated it was their intention, she belongs on the list. It seems like regardless you're going to have the final say anyway, and you're pretty adamant on her not being added despite what Valve has said, but she has every reason to be on the list. I've given several solid reasons why she belongs on there and I'm having a hard time understanding that the game developers confirmations themselves aren't enough proof. At this point it seems like it's your own personal interpretation of the game that's getting in the way of its rightful addition, since there's plenty of evidence and you ignored a lot of my points. I see no reason for her not to be on there if valve themselves can confirm it and include those elements in the game. even if you didn't pick up on them personally, it was still their intention and thus she's an LGBT character. I'm having a lot of trouble understanding how I need more sourcing than voice lines and the actual game developers themselves -- it doesn't really get more solid than that, and because it's factual, it doesn't harm anybody by being on the list. There's no reason at this point for her not to be on there, and I don't see the harm in adding facts to a Wikipedia page, since that's what the site is all about. It's not really about whether or not you picked up on it while playing the game, it's about what Valve intended for the character, and Valve intended for GLaDOS to have romantic interest in another woman, which is LGBT, and there is absolutely no harm in adding an LGBT character to a list of LGBT characters. Can you help me understand what exactly is your hesitation, if she is LGBT and that's what Valve intended for her character? And if you'd like, I can edit the respective articles to include these facts, to save you the trouble.

Gr8americantoad (talk) 10:30, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Gr8americantoad: I have to agree with Ferret here. While I can see where you're coming from, the quotes you placed above do generally imply either a non-romantic relationship or something resembling-but-not-actually a romantic relationship. This is flimsy evidence at best, and coupled with no secondary source coverage, leads me to agree that it shouldn't be included. Sam Walton (talk) 11:18, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Like Sam says, there's just no solid evidence of her being meant to be LGBT in a serious manner, and zero evidence for Chell. One of the reasons I said that this was best discussed at the article talk page is because you're now stating I have a final say and that I'm "adamant" on blocking her inclusion. I'm just one editor, and I happen to disagree with your position. Using the article's talk page gives other editors a better chance to weigh in and prevents this from becoming a sort of "me vs you" situation. -- ferret (talk) 11:42, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Just another person chiming in that Ferret is correct in his stance. On Wikipedia, you need direct evidence literally stating your message (ie LGBT relationships in this case). We don't just go off of what we personally observe in video games - that violates Wikipedia's policy on original research. Additionally, list articles commonly include "inclusion criteria" - additional requirements for being added to the list. Because there are so many minor examples of LGBT themes in games, there was a consensus on the article talk page to only include entries that have been directly singled out and mentioned by third party sources (IGN, Eurogamer, etc). That's why you're going to need something more than just "Valve commentary". Sergecross73 msg me 13:47, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

Why did my edit get erased?

Page MINECON. Please reply. Chumpydo (talk) 14:29, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

It wasn't me who reverted you, but it seems pretty clear to me that your edit was undone due to not citing any sources. Sergecross73 msg me 14:52, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Yep. I thought the edit note covered it. You removed large sections of prose and their accompanying sources, and replaced it with unsourced content. You also converted some of the prose to a list form, which is generally not the approach we take. -- ferret (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

Message from metalreflectslime

I added an eShop exclusive column to help users predict how much space in Micro SD cards would they need to buy digital exclusive games. Metalreflectslime (talk) 17:48, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

@Metalreflectslime: Two reasons. First, the table syntax was broken, and caused formatting issues. Second, there is an existing talk page discussion about an eShop column, with most editors voicing disagreement with adding such a column. I also stated this in my edit note. -- ferret (talk) 17:49, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Can you link me the Talk Page on where this topic was discussed?

Metalreflectslime (talk) 17:54, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

@Metalreflectslime: Talk:List of Nintendo Switch games#Column for physical release -- ferret (talk) 18:03, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Ah okay.

Note: This page has been semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need any help getting started with editing, see the New contributors' help page.

23:37, 25 January 2017 Sergecross73 (talk | contribs) protected List of Nintendo Switch games [Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 23:37, 25 April 2017) [Move=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 23:37, 25 April 2017) (Persistent disruptive editing) (hist) View full log

^^^

How do I get autoconfirmed or confirmed access?

http://yooka-laylee.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Leaderboard

I am the 4th ranked editor on Yooka-Laylee, so I do have a lot of experience editing Wikipedia.

Metalreflectslime (talk) 18:05, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

See WP:AUTOCONFIRMED. Sergecross73 msg me 18:15, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

You're actually already autoconfirmed. That's how you were able to add the column earlier. -- ferret (talk) 18:37, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

There are 2 editors: the classic one, and the new one. Only the classic one shows up when I click edit. How do I switch to the new editor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalreflectslime (talk • contribs) 19:27, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Click Preferences at the top. Go to the "Editing" tab. There is a drop down labelled "Editing mode". This controls which editor you will see. I prefer to using "Show me both editor tabs" as it lets me choose whenever I need. -- ferret (talk) 19:30, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks.

How do I unbold?

How do I left alight?

How do I use the color boxes?

Metalreflectslime (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I think you need to swing by WP:Help, they'll be better able to help you with questions on editing tables and using templates. In the meantime I recommend that you start using a sandbox to practice your edits. We will have to undo your edits you make to the list article if they have issues that cannot be easily fixed, or if the addition is not supported by sources. -- ferret (talk) 20:18, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Actually, PPB is already funded. There are no stretch goals for ports. Once the minimal stretch goal is met, it will be released on all advertised platforms including NS.

Metalreflectslime (talk) 22:21, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Scorsese/De Niro

The sources are fully reliable and have been quoted correctly, what's the problem? Plus,it's a well-known fact that the four movies i mentioned are considered among the greatest films of all time, so i don't understand this animosity towards my edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.32.186.109 (talk) 20:46, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

You've been repeatedly reverted by multiple editors over the last few weeks, for the same content. My suggestion is that you open a discussion at the article's talk page, Talk:Martin Scorsese and Robert De Niro. -- ferret (talk) 22:07, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

Lucas Horton (Lucas Roberts)

Hello. Regarding your move-locking of Lucas Roberts at that location: I have not been part of that move dispute until, in the last few days, I stepped in to put forward a solution at Talk:Lucas_Roberts of locating the article at Lucas Horton (Lucas Roberts), which (a) should satisfy all parties, and (b) is, I believe, the common-sense name for the article anyway - it is a good article name for this particular soap-opera character. I've explained my rationale there, although at the time of writing, there have been no responses. With regards to the locking at Lucas Roberts I have to say this is a mistake (I do appreciate you stepped into stop a move-war, the thing is you've locked it at an inappropriate place!) The folks who have been moving it to Lucas Horton have the facts on their side. The best name for this article is Lucas Horton (Lucas Roberts). The second best name for this article is Lucas Horton (where several editors have tried to move it to). The third best (i.e. worst) name for this article is the status quo Lucas Roberts where you have, unfortunately, locked it. I am an active editor at Will Horton who is the character's son, who, in the show, had his name changed from "Will Roberts" to "Will Horton" at the same time. I have also proposed that article be put at Will Horton (Will Roberts), as it makes sense that the two articles match, and as for Lucas, both "Will Roberts" and "Will Horton" were the credit-name for several years, with Horton being current and the character-name for the last nine years, but Roberts being the credit-name for longer. Aliveness Cascade (talk) 12:55, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

@Aliveness Cascade: I simply extended the protection on the page as the result of a request at RFPP, and have no real further involvement in the article or its history. If you have a proper move discussion on the talk page, it will be enacted by someone who can perform the move for you. Even if a discussion is successful and the page is moved, I'd recommend continuing the protection to avoid warring by editors who disagree. -- ferret (talk) 15:54, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice! Aliveness Cascade (talk) 19:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Demolition

Hi Admin. User Pinkbeast, Try for deliberately destroying articles History and Asia. Please block user. Thanks Jacurani (talk) 04:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Jacurani - You're not only continuing to edit war and make disruptive edits to the articles, but you picked up right where you left off and continued to do so immediately after your block for doing so expired. Now you're canvassing administrators for a block on Pinkbeast for "destroying articles [sic] history". This is your final warning. Continuing to edit war and engage in disruptive behavior rather than discussing your dispute on the articles' talk pages and with the users involved will result in your account being blocked as it was before. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:11, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

(talk) your Ferret? not. so funny Jacurani (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

I've no problem with Oshwah replying to you. You were clearly canvasing and I saw no reason to say more. -- ferret (talk) 23:43, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Gimmick

Why did you remove the Scandinavian release date and distributor from Gimmick!? TarkusAB 20:57, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@TarkusAB: The infobox video game documentation for the publisher, distributor, and release date fields follows the convention of only listing English language regions, plus the region of the developer. Scandinavia is not an English region, and the developer is from Japan. That said, I'm not overly concerned with it. -- ferret (talk) 22:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

OK yea that's a fair argument. I think it should be kept since it's an important piece about the game's history, and it's a PAL-B release so is still a valid release in most of Europe. Looks like someone already added it back in. TarkusAB 22:12, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

@TarkusAB: I think its a sound argument for inclusion, and local consensus can always trump documentation. I'm just working through a maintenance category by hand, article by article, and applying "general infobox cleanup" as I go. In this case, removing the region fixed the syntax, so I went with that. I've tweaked it again to make sure it's out of the maint category. -- ferret (talk) 22:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Cold (Maroon 5 song)

Can you semi-protect the page if Special:Contributions/122.53.254.147 do that with unsourced genre again. 183.171.181.219 (talk) 15:39, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Since it's the same IP, I would block the IP first before protecting. Let me know if they repeat. -- ferret (talk) 15:41, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Old "new" redirects for vgrelease

Hey Ferret, since my other attempts at actually just discussing this went into void, I wanted to contact you directly. We had a short talk about deleteing the template redirects for Video game release that end on "new" (Vgrelease new, Vgreleasenew, Video game release new), and you and Prime considered that action logical. However, that was in December. So I was wondering, now that time has passed, if you could delete the aforementioned redirect pages. All transclusions have been removed by me early this year, and only two no occurencies had popped up since so the usage is fairly low. And since you are an admin, I think that you are able to do so? Thanks! Lordtobi (✉) 20:46, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

@Lordtobi: Did you try TfD or RfD? I recall you doing one of them but don't remember the detail. Honestly, I would give it a bit more time as people need to lose their memory of it and adjust. I'm still seeing people deliberately change the unnamed parameter syntax to named parameter syntax once or twice a week, for example. Since there's no CSD rationale I could use to delete them, and redirects don't really hurt anything, I'm on the fence about taking action. -- ferret (talk) 21:10, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I had RfD discussions for all three plus two other I had wanted deleted due to their unusage. The shorthands had two keeps, while the long version had one disputed keep. The other two had a weak keep each. I multiply asked for assistance on WT:VG and on the template talk page, but nobody seemed to care. Maybe they should be brought to TfD as Steel1943 suggests? I'm not doing these often so I'm not sure how it should go down, since I simply took Twinkle's suggestion. Lordtobi (✉) 21:35, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

I think I agree with the basic reasoning on how RfD went. From the view point of, is this a potentially valid redirect? The answer is probably yes. From the view point of being used as a template, TfD would be the better course. Unfortunately I don't frequent RfD or TfD often, so I have no precedence to point at. I would hope it could be done without putting a TfD notice on the main template, which I tend to find disruptive. -- ferret (talk) 22:21, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

National Mario Day

Thanks for your help fixing up National Mario Day, it's appreciated. 86.20.193.222 (talk) 02:10, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Block socks

Is it possible for you to block a sock on sight? I keep tabs on 2 pages because they were regularly and solely edited by this one editor who has since created about 4-5 new accounts just to edit those specific pages. if not that's okay. the SPI always takes like a week when I submit it and I read after awhile they can just be blocked on sight if it's obvious. the user is Cloud.seven - here is the SPI archive --Jennica✿ / ^talk 21:49, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: I can do this but in most cases I'll need you to give me some evidence showing that they're the same user (If it's not immediately clear from the edits), since I won't be familiar with all the various socking editors and their behavior patterns. I'll also gladly protect pages with re-occurring sock edits. -- ferret (talk) 21:52, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done In this case, pattern seems to clearly indicate Lurulu, hitting the same articles and editing content added by the last two socks. -- ferret (talk) 22:03, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

YES. Thank you!! Next time I will provide evidence for you --Jennica✿ / ^talk 22:03, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

user Slight.Drift - hitting Altan, and Na Mooneys (album) - the same pages that were hit by Cloud.seven. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 05:48, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: Done -- ferret (talk) 12:16, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

He strikes again. One of his accounts has previously edited on the Yes band page (HurluGurmine) but he's only edited 3 times. So maybe we should wait for it to become more obvious? To me, it's obvious. What do you think? --Jennica✿ / ^talk 23:46, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

They have since edited on Not Dead Yet Tour, which their other sock HurluGurmine edited on. It's definitely them. Would it be possible to block them? thanks --Jennica✿ / ^talk 03:13, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Ducky quack quack. Blocked. -- ferret (talk) 13:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

thanks again! he's striking again. user: Greener.moon - hitting pages his socks did. it popped up on my watch list today. sigh! --Jennica✿ / ^talk 04:02, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Duck blocked. -- ferret (talk) 12:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Aaaand again. If you want me to send these requests elsewhere, let me know. User: Meat.vegetable has only edited on Altan (band) but the name fits the MO [the period in the middle of the username] and honestly, nobody edits Altan except for him. If it's too early, I'll keep an eye on it though. thanks again --Jennica✿ / ^talk 16:38, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: Duck blocked. I think you should do a major cleanup on that article, all the paragraphs announcing minor trivial things (Like posting liner notes) or individual shows is generally not appropriate content. -- ferret (talk) 17:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

I've cleaned out the 2014 section, but likely more of it could go. The album details need condensed and de-promotionalized, and probably most of the remaining tour information can go. I've also semiprotected the article for a month. -- ferret (talk) 17:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much for blocking him.. and I have tried to pare it down a little awhile back. I don't peg myself as much of a write [I like the formatting side of editing more]. When I look at the article, it's overwhelming to me and I don't know where to start. I'll try again --Jennica✿ / ^talk 18:38, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Sergecross73 and Jennica: Serge may be able to offer some advice on that, he works in the MUSIC area a lot, while I only watch a few pages. I've already taken a stab at cleaning up most of Lrululu's constant tour/show date promotional spam, but more could be trimmed. -- ferret (talk) 18:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help! This is another page that has been extensively edited by their socks Malicorne (band). It sort of suffers the same fate. I'll try to look through it. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 19:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: That one doesn't seem quite as bad, but I would start by removing unimportant trivial information like "On some dates, they had two show at someplace." It doesn't really tell the reader anything important. The important details are about albums (When started, when released, special events or promotions specifically tied to them), band members coming and going, etc. -- ferret (talk) 19:38, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

He reverted my edit on "Simple Minds Tours". I removed the sections that said "1980: no concerts", with him citing it's "important" to leave it. It's amusing that he doesn't try to hide himself. User Navy.nave. And it's very probable that it's him based on the username format and the subject matter. Thanks again for all your help! --Jennica✿ / ^talk 16:10, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Duck blocked. I leave it to you to do cleanup on Simple Minds. :) -- ferret (talk) 16:14, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

Launch titles & Wikidata

Is there a way to denote launch titles in Wikidata? Thought you might know czar 20:28, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

@Czar and Izno: I don't personally know of such a property. I think a wikidata approach would be to cross reference release dates between the two items. Izno is far more versed than I though. -- ferret (talk) 20:40, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

The way to do it without an explicit property (which does not exist that I know of) would be as ferret describes. You could probably propose such a property (probably for the console domain), but you might get opposition along the line of "can do that with implicit lookup of release dates". --Izno (talk) 20:59, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

(Doesn't hurt to try.) --Izno (talk) 21:00, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good—thank you both. Looking forward to when Wikidata takes over categorization on WP... czar 21:01, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Image deletion help

I was wondering if you could possible delete the image I added of myself. File:WikipedianJennica.jpg -- I read admins can do it and I would greatly appreciate it. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 23:24, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

 Done -- ferret (talk) 23:43, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Discord

Verifying that the PresN on Discord is, indeed, me. --PresN 01:20, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks -- ferret (talk) 01:24, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Same thing for Masem there. --MASEM (t) 01:43, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks -- ferret (talk) 02:34, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Archiving my talkpage

Hello, thanks for your previous suggestion. Would you please guide me on how to archive particular discussions from my talkpage? I do not want to archive the entire talkpage, nor i want something else to be archived later automatically. (I hope i making sense to you lol.) Thanks a lot. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:22, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

• PS: do you contribute as an admin in anything regarding John F. Kennedy? —usernamekiran (talk) 21:25, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: It's a manual process in this case. First, add {{tan}} to your archives subpage (User talk:Usernamekiran/Archive 1). Then add {{talkheader}} or {{archives}} to your talk page (User talk:Usernamekiran), whichever you prefer. This sets the stage to make sure people can find and navigate your archive. To archive, it's a manual process copy and paste. Find the section you want to archive, and click Edit Source. Select everything, and Ctrl+C to Copy, then press backspace to delete it all. Save. (This removes it from your talk page) Now go to your archive subpage, click Edit Source, and place your cursor at the bottom. Paste with Ctrl+V, and save. This puts the content on your archive. You can also do this by editing the entire talk page and copying different sections in one edit.

No, I don't usually contribute to any political or political figure articles, unless I just happen to drop by to revert vandalism. I'm happy to help if you have issues needing admin attention though. -- ferret (talk) 21:28, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

• wow you are fast! lol. Thanks. I will do that for archiving. And no, there isnt much that requires admin attention regarding JFK. However, there has been some strange user activity there. But i have already discussed it with two admins, and one senior (extemely experienced) user who is a lot active in JFK (not just on wiki projects). But should the need arise, i will surely contact you. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:39, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Message from metalreflectslime

Why are my edits not working? Metalreflectslime (talk) 11:15, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

You'll have to be a little more specific before I can offer any help. -- ferret (talk) 11:45, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

(by talk page stalker) @Metalreflectslime: You may be blocked or the article(s) you wanna edit are protected so that only a user group that you don't belong to can edit it. --Dashy (message me) (my contribs) 19:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Another thing

I believe yes, but i should ask an experienced editor like you, I put a link to a tweet where the creator said the release date of the spin-off (there was an edit war), is it a reliable source? thanks. --Dashy (message me) (my contribs) 03:56, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

@DashyGames: A tweet from the developer is a WP:Primary source. It can be used to source basic facts like release dates, generally, but must be careful with how it's used. -- ferret (talk) 13:42, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

Spam or not spam

Is this considered spamming? He is going around to several user's talk pages asking permission to edit a page. He was on my talk page several times and seemed really confused. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 08:48, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Not really spam, just new user looking for help. I would guess they looked at the article's history and picked from the users they saw had been editing. I would point him to the edit request process. -- ferret (talk) 11:28, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Chained to the Rhythm

I came across this user who is edit warring, specifically on Chained to the Rhythm and other song articles. He may need to be blocked. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 18:43, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Looks more like a content dispute with multiple editors edit warring. I'm debating protecting the article. Thoughts on the badchart edit warring at Chained to the Rhythm, @Sergecross73? You're more familiar with the music projects. -- ferret (talk) 19:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

df

[1] |df=mdy handled the date in these citations (ymd is easier to read in code) czar 16:17, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

@Czar: Interesting, haven't really seen df's usage in cite. I'd recommend bringing it up to Ohconfucius. The script is pretty widely used, and while I'm fine if you want to undo me, the next person to hit it will cause the same thing. Might even suggest to him that the script purposely set parameters to ymd and set the df parameter. -- ferret (talk) 16:25, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

df was implemented fairly recently, hence its gradual adoption czar 16:21, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Ferret

The information that was modified are indeed correct, please do the research... — Preceding unsigned comment added by FernanT (talk • contribs) 20:59, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

As the one who wants to add the info, the burden to verify the information through reliable sources would be on you, not Ferret. It's up to you to prove your own points, basically, or it doesn't belong on the article. Sergecross73 msg me 00:32, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Page move

Hi ferret. Can you possibly  ? Thank you --Jennica✿ / ^talk 20:47, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

@Anthony Appleyard: Could you maybe take a look at this? I see you did a histmerge on the redirect back in August. There's also a second redirect at Twenty One Pilots (Twenty One Pilots album). The first has only a few contributions but the second has over 50. -- ferret (talk) 21:33, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

• @Jennica:  Done I moved Twenty One Pilots (album by Twenty One Pilots) to Twenty One Pilots (album). Twenty One Pilots (album) had 6 edits: 5 redirects and a blank. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:47, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Titles of Wikipedia articles

Thanks for the info you provided at Chantry Island Lighthouse. ("common naming by sources")

A more difficult choice of title is in this article Ion rapid transit .. see the Talk page as to whether it should be ION or Ion. My google search indicates that most sources show it as ION.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ion+rapid+transit&*

At one time the national broadcaster CBC was showing it as Ion but in more recent articles, it is using ION. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/lrt-ion-cambridge-region-waterloo-1.3970421

Your thoughts?Peter K Burian (talk) 20:59, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the other editors at Ion rapid transit. Wikipedia policy supports the current name. -- ferret (talk) 21:02, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

RE: chantry

No, with Marine heritage. I am an Ojibwe native from that very area and an historian (doctorate) researcher/ writer on the lightstation tower.Imasku (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Sandbox

Could you please stop deleting my sandbox as I am doing a project for my English class and we are getting graded on the amount of characters in our sandbox and in mainspace. Thanks B landen4 (talk) 18:40, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Your sandbox contained copyrighted material, which you were already warned about. -- ferret (talk) 19:07, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

another message

Would you please convey my following message to Jennica? Thanks.

Creepy. Thats one more title given to me by pompous users of wikipedia. Fine. Its your talkpage. Keep my comments or remove them, i dont mind. —usernamekiran[talk] 22:30, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

PS: please see my userpage, i updated it yesterday. And nice threatening tacticts btw. —usernamekiran[talk] 22:31, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

I really recommend you move on. A user requested you not use their talk page and you have continued, which is essentially harassment. I'm not interested in your edit war discussion, nor that you claim to be retiring. You can avoid the block by respecting the other user's request. Seems clear cut to me. -- ferret (talk) 22:34, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

thats what i did. I am not going to contact any pompous user. And no, i didnt "use" the user's talkpage after their request. The sole reason for my "leaving" wikipedia (not retiring) is the harassment that I had to go through. You and I have communicated previously, do you think I am a bad person? You could have talked to me normally now. but no, you threatened, and later replied curtly. .

and please take look at my recent interaction with that user, why i communicated with them. —usernamekiran[talk] 22:41, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

I am talking to you normally, in the same fashion I use everywhere on Wikipedia. Don't read too much emotion into text, it is poor at conveying such. I recommend you walk away from areas causing you conflict and make edits in new different areas. -- ferret (talk) 22:45, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

thanks. I can walk away from any article on wiki. But not anything anything related to JFK.

but you do realise that i am not at fault regarding the Jennica issue, right? —usernamekiran[talk] 22:50, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

It's not about fault. She requested that you not use her talk page. Nothing more behind it than that, I am not weighing any fault or justifications. It has generally been supported that users need to respect such requests unless they are issuing mandatory notifications or warnings, for example notification of an edit war discussion. I've seen users who tell anyone who notifies them of anything at all to never use their talk page before, and it's been upheld when challenged. Best to simply move on and edit happily elsewhere. -- ferret (talk) 22:56, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

no, no, no. I didnt mean it like that. I meant, do you really think i harassed that user, or something like that? I merely asked her a favour cuz I thought she liked keeping an eye out for sockpuppets.

Anyways. In like 10-15 minutes from now, I am logging out from wikipedia for a long time. Maybe forever. It was nice talking to you. I mean it, our previous conversations (even though small), were nice. btw, telling someone to "walk away" is not polite at all. It is considered very rude actually. take care. :) —usernamekiran[talk] 23:16, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

I'm not going to get into whether or not she is justified in her request. "Walk away" is a pretty common statement of "letting something go and moving on", and I've never heard of someone considering it rude. To each their own though. -- ferret (talk) 23:18, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

fair enough. But I still think she is pompous.
the term "Walk away" is usually used when one has to throw other person. Like, suppose, you are in a flea market, and an extremely dirty guy, smelling of weed, sweat n what comes near you, in such case you should use walk away. But english differs region to region. As you said, to each their own.

I had to login again to post my last comments.
You should see my edit war complaint, it will amuse you. And so will my discussions on these two talk pages:
User talk:El C, and User talk:Swarm
Please do read my communication with them. Very interesting, and amusing. Bye. —usernamekiran[talk] 01:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Those sections should not be subheaders under Gameplay

On the Installation 01 page it makes no sense for those to be subheaders under Gameplay. They are separate sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheFeelTrain (talk • contribs) 21:46, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@TheFeelTrain: Correct. I missed that. However the correct action was to add an equal sign to Gameplay, rather than removing it from the others. Two equals is the standard heading used for sections. -- ferret (talk) 22:47, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@Ferret: Yep, saw that now. Thanks. -- TheFeelTrain (talk) 23:04, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

@Ferret: Just letting you know the content for i01's page was provided from the developer to me specifically for addition to the wiki page, so I don't think the two additional screenshots violate non-free policy. Furthermore, the entire project is a free project to remain in-line with MS's content usage policy. That said, it does look better - thanks for the modify :) -- ItTakesTime (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I was mostly concerned because at least two of the images appear to be tagged for deletion already and it was more images than we typically use, free or not. -- ferret (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Validity of Sources

on most expensive video games, why do you deem the developers own website and CEO and founder comments to not be sufficient evidence of how much was spent on a game, despite leaving as a prime example COD MW2 on this list, despite only having one source listed from a 3rd party? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.66.48.242 (talk) 03:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

You have not provided a source that directly states a dollar amount spent on Star Citizen alone. By that I mean, it does not include Squadron 42, basic operation of the business, purchase/renting of office space, Chris Roberts' salary as a business owner, etc. These are not part of a game's budget. Additionally, we don't know how much money has been invested outside of crowdfunding from Roberts and co, or other third parties. Everything else, such as estimating programmer salary times the number of programmers, is original research. Please also read over reliable sourcing and secondary sourcing. The MW2 source is a reliable secondary source. -- ferret (talk) 13:29, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Star Citizen article

Hey there. Going over the Star Citizen article, I noticed that virtually all edits done to the article fit the pattern of the sockpuppets you have been blocking, i.e the nobeaches, nobeaches2. I'm duck-sure that the 86. IPs, the latest "ScottyM90" edits, etc, are all the same blocked user because they edit in the same way, on the same articles and all have this fixation with using the developer's own website to update the crowd-funding count instead of third-party sources. This is a few months worth of edits, so in such a situation where legitimate edits are in the mix, I'm not sure what the correct way of dealing with it is. Just figured I'd give you a heads up. Eik Corell (talk) 13:39, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

@Eik Corell: I don't think its nobeaches at this time. There's been canvassing on Reddit at the fan community there. A recent IP (86.128) was also making a spate of edits they felt were more neutral and future stated (versus the glowing positivity and "factual"-ness of the article) and their behavior is in opposition of nobeaches' typical editing. -- ferret (talk) 13:42, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

@Eik Corell: Just to follow up a checkuser looked into the recent editors and found no connection. -- ferret (talk) 20:09, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Ah, fair enough, I guess we've found a few things that despite their quacking, are in fact not ducks. :) Eik Corell (talk) 02:35, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

+tag spamming

I don't care if you are an admin, stop +tag spamming, if you feel the article needs more citations then go and find some. I think it is okay with the citations it has now, so there is no need for a +tag. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? CAPICHE? IQ125 (talk) 14:06, 17 April 2017 (UTC) https://www.google.ca/search?num=100&newwindow=1&site=&source=hp&q=%22play+magnus%22&oq=%22play+magnus%22&gs_l=hp.12..0l10.2882.5425.0.7973.14.14.0.0.0.0.100.1094.13j1.14.0....0...1c.1.64.hp..0.12.971.0..0i131k1.PGM3nCjrEBM

(talk page stalker) IQ125 - This is an invalid request, something ferret has no requirement to adhere to. It's quite the opposite - if you don't like the tags, then its up to you to provide the sources or fixes to warrant removing the tags. Sergecross73 msg me 14:09, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I find your immediately and repeatedly removal of tags and constantly accusations of everyone else to be "tag spamming" to be disruptive, and grounded in a sense of article ownership. You've got a long history of this in the Play Magnus article. Tags are perfectly valid, and none of them have been added without a legitimate policy concern. You also need to stop removing basic maintenance templates like ENGVAR and Use dates. -- ferret (talk) 14:10, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @IQ125: Are you actually reading what people are telling you? I've tried to explain the issues you're causing nicely, but it feels like the only way to really get across is to be blunt. You've been told several times that your editing style in regards to tags is becoming, if not become, disruptive. I think you should take a step back and read up on a few policies/pages. WP:REFB and H:MTR might be good places to start. Anarchyte (work | talk) 14:35, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Page move request

Hi ferret. Would it possible for you to move Notorious(Adelitas Way album) to Notorious (Adelitas Way album)? So there's a space after the album title? Thanks. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 03:10, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica:  Done -- ferret (talk) 13:51, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered

On 20 April 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered was the first Call of Duty game to have accurate bullet casings ejected from every gun? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Mifter (talk) 00:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

I want to have a discussion about the following redirects

Hi there Ferret, I'm trying to start a redirect for discussion on what on weather the redirects Jikkyō Powerful Pro Yakyū series and Power Pro Kun Pocket series should remain, or be deleted, in which I believe they should be deleted. Problem is, every time I create the template for RfD, ~ GB fan reverts my edits. I'm struggling on how to do this now in fear of ~ GB fan reverting the template. Honestly, if the majority want to keep these redirects then I'm okay with that, problem is, the last time a discussion was held, only two participants discussed the redirects in which it resulted in no consensus. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 12:02, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Just to make it clear, I have only reverted your additions of the rationale for deletion to the actual redirects, improper WP:CSD nominations and improper WP:PROD nominations. If you would follow the directions at WP:RFD#HOWTO, there would be nothing to revert. ~ GB fan a "frantic, furious ball of anger" 12:18, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

So that all the information about this is available, there is a current discussion at User talk:GB fan#Please stop taking the mick and a previous discussion User talk:GB fan/Archive 9#"Jikkyō Powerful Pro Yakyū series"/"Power Pro Kun Pocket series" redirect. ~ GB fan a "frantic, furious ball of anger" 12:32, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

This isn't the first time this has happened. Iftekharahmed96 has a tendency to not bother reading instructions or following deletion processes properly. --The1337gamer (talk) 12:49, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and done procedural nominations using the rationale left on the redirects themselves. They are listed on Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 April 23. ~ GB fan a "frantic, furious ball of anger" 13:25, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Seems like this has resolved itself before I read it. -- ferret (talk) 14:03, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

The rudeness is unwarranted talk, have some respect. I'm a man of my word, the majority seems to vote keep. Sorry for any hard feelings ~ GB fan. Iftekharahmed96 (talk) 16:29, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

I've found him again. I found another one of his accounts and reported it to SPI but it "needed more evidence". He doesn't even try to hide it. The username scheme is always the same. Here's his new account. It appears he has abandoned his most recent one. Also, frequent editing of the Who articles and Paul McCartney articles are the tell tale signs here, aside from his obvious username. Here is the category: Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Lurulu. Hopefully you can block him. thank you! --Jennica✿ / ^talk 20:25, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Already blocked by @Laser brain. I agree, matches the usual patterns. -- ferret (talk) 20:27, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Whoops. Laser brain got Sweet.honey. I have blocked Rough.Time -- ferret (talk) 20:28, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Double whoops. Laser brain got White.leader, the listed sock at the SPI. I have blocked Sweet.honey and Rough.time -- ferret (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: Remember when filing SPIs to open them under the name of the sock master, Lurulu, instead of the latest socks. Note that Vanjagenije is just following SPI procedures which require at least one diff for comparison. -- ferret (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Oops. I thought I did that. I listed Lurulu as one of the socks and one other recent sock. Thanks for all your help :) I don't think he'll ever stop :( --Jennica✿ / ^talk 21:00, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) In general, you can be a little more lax when reporting to an admin who is already familiar with the situation, (like me or ferret) but generally have to be almost excessively thorough with the evidence when starting from scratch and presenting the scenario to an unfamiliar reviewer. Sergecross73 msg me 21:08, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

He's baaack. He got back to the Malicorne page and The Who tours. Martian.Alien. Thanks --Jennica✿ / ^talk 01:09, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: Duck,  Done. -- ferret (talk) 11:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

My mistake

Never mind about the New 2DS edit, I misread the article. Perhaps it should be changed back to eliminate confusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.211.200.208 (talk) 10:24, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

BH

Hi ferret, please look at my input at the AFD discussion for Bluehole. prokaryotes (talk) 15:01, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Sixth generation of video game consoles

Please do not accuse me of bias. I admit that the Sega CD was a poor marketing choice by Sega, but it's not even on the list of commercial failures in video gaming. ~ TheJoebro64 (talk) 17:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

That's irrelevant, and you knew you were going against the previous talk page discussion. Your edits have all centered on removing mention of Sega CD from that portion, despite all the available sourcing that supports it. -- ferret (talk) 17:24, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Sock again

Hello again, ferret [and lurkers]. Another Hurulu sock, and this time it's an obvious username. Hitting the regular Alien movie series page and some tour pages. Under.cover. Thanks if you can block! --Jennica✿ / ^talk 22:34, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica:  Done -- ferret (talk) 22:39, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Editor adding content to his own article

I have seen a policy about this but I don't know if they should be blocked or notified? User Therickdrummer seems to using his account solely to edit his page Sean Rickman. Evidenced here by his edit summary here. I thought someone should know about it. --Jennica✿ / ^talk 01:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jennica: Depending on the nature of the edits, it's not expressly forbidden. For example, if he adds neutral sourced content, it's not a problem per say... Though generally it's discouraged for subjects to edit their own article. I have left him a COI notice on his talk page (Feel free to read over it for a bit more info on COI policies). Now that he has a notice, if his edits seem particularly slanted towards promotion without any effort to be neutral or follow policies, let me know. -- ferret (talk) 11:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Dota 2

Category:Dota 2 has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 02:03, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Probable VillegasD2002 sockpuppets

DavidA20 DavidA30 Jb45424 (talk) 00:07, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Also DavidV1024 Thanks, Jb45424 (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jb45424:  Done Blocked and tagged. Please clean up their edits as necessary. -- ferret (talk) 11:37, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Ferret, much appreciated. I've cleaned them up as best I could. Found another one: DavidB10 Jb45424 (talk) 02:04, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

@Jb45424:  Done -- ferret (talk) 11:31, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia and Politics

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Page move

Hi ferret, can you possibly move As You Were (Liam Gallagher album))) to As You Were (Liam Gallagher album) ? Thank you! --Jennica✿ / ^talk 20:22, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

Looks like @RHaworth ended up deleting it. -- ferret (talk) 17:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

added the support for Blizzard and blizzards Esports league.

Hello, Ferret I understand what you are saying though in this case there would be no real source such as a research article or ect. But you may dive for yourself into the Story of Charles Dewland or many other great esports heros in world of Warcraft. I also encourage you to read up on these pople it is a great story and is very interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.28.232.213 (talk) 02:25, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Verification of information is a core Wikipedia policy that must be met. If there is no source, then it cannot be included. -- ferret (talk) 13:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)