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Black Panther (film)Edit

Hi Swarm, I completely understand if you don't want to get involved in this, but I am having a problem with Hijiri88 and was hoping you could step in here and help resolve the issue. I was involved in getting Black Panther (film) promoted to GA, but due to the toxic relationship I and several other editors have with Hijiri (and my wish to generally avoid him where possible) I have not been involved with the article again until recently, and it has since been delisted from GA due to Hijiri's efforts. I would like to get the article promoted up again, but in multiple discussions Hijiri has made it clear that he will not allow this unless the issues he has seen in the article are addressed. He has also refused to aid in identifying these issues so they can be fixed, so I opened a peer review to try get help from other editors before I renominate the article. However, Hijiri has just left a hostile comment at the review that will definitely deter editors from getting involved and helping to improve the article. It also conveniently means that the review is no longer "unanswered" and so will not be as likely to receive responses. I don't want to make a big deal out of this, I just want a fair shot at improving the article and renominating it to GA. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:37, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

in multiple discussions Hijiri has made it clear that he will not allow this unless the issues he has seen in the article are addressed. He has also refused to aid in identifying these issues so they can be fixed I have identified the issues multiple times, most recently here and here. In fact, I have repeated myself pretty much every time I was asked to give a list of concerns. Hijiri 88 (やや) 04:57, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
You have never made any genuine attempt to work through all the problems with the article, and you literally refused to do so when I offered to work together to address the issues. And now you have made the situation even worse with this comment, which includes overtly false statements that again will be swaying the opinions of neutral third arties who otherwise may have actually helped out. What you are doing is so clearly a cynical attempt to stonewall me and prevent the article from ever being promoted to GA out of spite, it's almost funny in how unsubtle it is. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:56, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
If I recall it was me who spontaneously posted a peace offering on your talk page, offered to help cleaning up the plagiarism, and made a whole bunch of other concessions, and you spat in my face.[1] Twice.[2] Hijiri 88 (やや) 02:42, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @Adamstom.97: Is your concern that the delisting was not legitimate, or that you're being stalked? If there were copyvios, then that's a quick-fail criterion for GA. If you feel the concern was illegitimate, or if it was legitimate but has been resolved, then you can just renominate it for GA. I don't know why you seem to think that one user can stonewall the GA process. Copyvio concerns are objective, they're either there or they aren't, it's not up for debate. If your complaint is that you're being harassed, that's fine, but you need to present your evidence. ~Swarm~ {sting} 17:15, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
I think a user can stonewall GA because I've been watching Hijiri do it: he came to the original GA review and almost succeeded in derailing it with WP:BLUDGEON, until the reviewer pointed out how ridiculous his actions were. He then succeeded in having the article delisted because he had scared off anyone who would want to try improve it, not because it genuinely met quick-fail criterion. And he has now successfully stonewalled my attempt at resolving the problem by adding hostile comments to the peer review, making it harder for other users to find and also presenting prospective reviewers with an argument that they surely would not want to get involved in. Whether this counts as harassment is not something I want to get into, I don't have the energy to try and stand up to him for much longer. I just want to give the article a fair chance, as I believe it deserves to be GA and not to be caught up in this personal fight between editors. I have made a genuine effort to address Hijiri's concerns through use of the copyvio tool and a peer review to try identify problem areas that can be improved, but this has been shut-down. If I just went ahead and re-nominated for GA, hoping that any further issues would be identified then, I would do so knowing that Hijiri will definitely be showing up to try stop it and I don't know if I can deal with that at the moment. I realise that life isn't fair and Hijiri generally gets what he wants, but my hope is that somehow I can find a way to put the article first here. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
until the reviewer pointed out how ridiculous his actions were That reviewer was obviously either a sockpuppet or a NOTHERE troll. That anyone could continue defending his actions is frankly bizarre. Hijiri 88 (やや) 06:47, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
  • And now he is trying to stop two more GA nominations: Captain Marvel and Spider-Man: Far From Home. At Captain Marvel he blames plagiarism, which he has conveniently discovered just now after I nominated the article and is of course not interested in trying to help resolve himself. At Far From Home he blames the "problematic" resolution to a move discussion that has been held three times already at the article and always ended in the same result, but because he doesn't like that result he is going to try stop the GA nom. And if it wasn't clear enough, he has now added cleanup banners to Captain Marvel since he knows that they are criteria for immediate failure of a GA review, despite admitting that he hadn't even checked the sources that he was tagging! The fact that he is allowed to get away with this blatantly cynical and vindictive behaviour is absurd. - adamstom97 (talk) 01:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Adam, you need to make sure the articles meet the GA criteria before nominating. You also need to stop attacking other users who disagree with you, and take their advice when, as I was with the copyvio and the cast sourcing and the like, they are right. These are essentially two separate issues, and Swarm has never expressed any interest in the former, so your bringing it up here hardly seems constructive. Hijiri 88 (やや) 06:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
And here he is again, making it very clear that he will oppose these GA nominations but refusing to help fix them. I have brought these concerns to Swarm because I wanted a neutral third party with knowledge of our history to help mediate this issue, but if Swarm is not interested then we can take this discussion elsewhere. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:55, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Again, Adam, every time I try to make even minor tweaks to these articles, let alone "fix" them, you respond by making my life as unpleasant as you can. I asked you in January to stop this, even offering some carrots in return, and you spat in my face. What on earth is it that you want me to do? Hijiri 88 (やや) 21:19, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
You are the one making my life as unpleasant as you can, and part of that is pretending to "fix" articles by filling them with maintenance tags, outright removing chunks of content that you don't like, and blocking genuine attempts to improve them by editors who just want to spend some time working on the encyclopaedia rather than having to fight with you all the time. What I want you to do is stop using these articles as a way to personally attack me and others, but I'm not sure you are even capable of that. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
If something I am doing is making editing unpleasant for you, please tell me what it is. As far as I am concerned, 90% of our interactions have consisted of me doing copyedits and the like on these articles shortly after I see the films and/or TV episodes, and you autoreverting me. There's not a whole lot I can do to make this a more pleasant experience for you. Hijiri 88 (やや) 22:14, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Also, it seems a bit unfair for you to start demanding that I sink time into helping you fix these articles that have nothing to do with Asia in the first week of Wikipedia Asian Month. Can't we discuss this at ... pretty much any other time of the year? Hijiri 88 (やや) 22:46, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Adoption requestEdit

"Hi! Could you adopt me? I'm a new user in Wikipedia, in Hong Kong, and want to be a WikiDragon or a WikiOtter. :)" InsaneScholar (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I'm not very active at the moment. Let me refer you to WP:TEAHOUSE for anything you need help with. ~Swarm~ {sting} 16:36, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

JOBTITLESEdit

I understand what you mean to say but the issue is more complex. See for example: [3][4][5][6][7]. There is a nuance you are missing. In many sources, "Ethiopian Prime Minister", as a whole, is treated as a title when in front of a name. But this is not a hill I am willing to die on. The blurb was originally written as "Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed of Ethiopia", exactly to avoid this problem. But then it was changed to put "Ethiopian" in the front of the sentence. Then later the "prime minister" de-capitalized. This happens every single time this issue arises on the Main Page. It is unnatural and annoying, at least to me, to see a de-capitalized title in front of a name. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

You will notice that we are not the only publication grappling with this issue. The New York Times bends over backwards to avoid this issue. It is an unsettled grammatical issue that publications avoid. In the past, when the world was less globalized, it was not an issue because the modifier was not necessary. When The Telegraph says "Prime Minister John Smith", it was understood and assumed that the reader knew that it was the U.K. prime minister. In the internet age, that is not an acceptable. I, like you, understand the difference between common nouns and proper nouns. But the issue here is very specific. There is no "the" at the front of the sentence. So, is "Ethiopian Prime Minister" a title or is "Ethiopian" modifying the position "prime minister"? That is not a question I can answer definitively. The solution of many publications is to treat "Ethiopian Prime Minister" as a title or to avoid it with a parenthetical. The only solution that may be acceptable to en.wiki editors maybe to use "... of Ethiopia" construction. But your solution is jarring and in my opinion the wrong one. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:48, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

More examples for your consideration: [8][9][10][11]. --- Coffeeandcrumbs 03:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

  • Yes, we have no jurisdiction over journalists who choose to use the title "Ethiopian Prime Minister". However, that is not the actual title of the office, but a creation by independent writers. Our policies allow us no license to invoke an unofficial title. As the unofficial title "Ethiopian Prime Minister" is otherwise indistinguishable from the common adjective-noun "Ethiopian prime minister", we will err on the side of the grammatically correct usage over an informal title created by some writers. ~Swarm~ {sting} 02:29, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for clarificationEdit

You said here that:

Of significant concern, you saw fit to warn a WMF board member against edit warring via a template.

Are you saying WMF board members are above policy? And that editors are required to know who they are by username, so as to treat them deferentially? If that's the case, I must ask: are you a WMF board member? Thank you. — Guarapiranga (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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Rossendale and DarwenEdit

You've chosen the wrong stable version! One candidate promoted with no others mentioned is bias and against electoral law. Change it. Change it quickly. doktorb wordsdeeds 20:13, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

  • @Doktorbuk: Sorry, what? There's only one "stable version", see WP:STABLE. It's simply the no-prejudice, pre-dispute revision. Secondly, my reading of the dispute is that the candidate is not being "promoted", but simply listed. It just so happens that there is only one candidate at the moment, thus only one on the list. Am I wrong? Dudley Miles? It's a bit odd, and unreasonable, to interpret the listing of the only candidate as "excluding" the other candidates, who aren't known to exist. Also, Wikipedia is not under the jurisdiction of whatever electoral law you're referring to, though invoking the law to make an editorial demand is likely to be construed as a legal threat that you will be blocked for. Even in cases where an edit does violate a law, Wikipedia's legal disclaimers state that the editor is responsible for their own edits. But to be honest, you're coming across as the hysterical POV-pusher here, because the situation seems fairly innocuous. ~Swarm~ {sting} 20:37, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
    • You've misunderstood the situation. We now have an article where one candidate is the sole candidate for this constituency for a good number of days, giving the impression that there are no opponents, giving the impression that the one sole candidate is a "shoe in" for the seat. That is bias. That is misleading. That is not encyclopedic. The stable version - my version - is to have no candidates at all, so at least Wikipedia is not seen as favouring one over all others. If you want to misrepresent my post as a legal threat then that's on you. I don't want to be blocked, I have been a proud Wikipedian for many many years. On this single page, on this single point, I am most adamant that my position is the correct one and you are misunderstood and wrong. Please please lock the page with no candidates rather than the current page with one: it's a matter of bias and prejudice, and a matter on which I am not budging an inch. doktorb wordsdeeds 21:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • In the great majority of cases, lists of candidates are created when an editor finds details about one candidate and starts a list. Other candidates are added when information becomes available. This seems to me reasonable and innocuous. However, I do not see any point in continuing this dispute as nominations close in four days time and official lists of candidates will then be available. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:24, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
  • To be honest I'd rather not drag this out much further either, though I really do feel like I must say one more thing. I reverted an edit on the Preston constituency page a few days ago because there was only one candidate. That edit has NOT been reverted nor part of an edit-war. It has been left as I left it, with no candidates rather than one. R&D has been part of an editing bun-fight. I can't see why one constituency article has been the centre of a to-and-fro while Preston has remained untouched since my edit. As you say, nominations close soon, and this can be left behind us. I just feel that my correct editing decision, based on WP:BIAS, has been misconstrued. doktorb wordsdeeds 22:50, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

@Doktorbuk: Again, the stable version is a procedural revision, you claiming that your preferred version is the stable version is a bit disruptive. Second: "giving the impression that there are no opponents" Who are the other opponents? If we only know of one, then it's accurate to list one. If you think it's misleading that's a legitimate point of view, but that doesn't mean it's biased or meant to promote. Wikipedia is nothing but a reflection of sources. ~Swarm~ {sting} 23:21, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Dereck ChisoraEdit

Hello Swarm. I have a query regarding the recently resolved dispute I was involved in. I was going to try and get an outside opinion on my initial edit from WP:3O but as there was no discussion whatsoever on the Dereck Chisora talk page with the other party involved, it seems like it would be ineligible for a 3O. I would still like to make the change to the lead section but I presume it would be a continuation of the edit war, which I obviously do not want. If leaving it be is the only option then left be it shall. Just thought I would ask your advice. Thanks. — 2.O.Boxing 00:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Loosening my RestrictionsEdit

Hello Swarm,

I hope your veteran's day goes well today (if you are not in US that's OK). I requested again for my restrictions to be lifted on WP:ANB and, while it was not declined, it was archived with comments from only two admins. What should I do?

Awesome Aasim 01:51, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

User asking for rollbackEdit

Please see Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback#User:Masumrezarock100. Your name is in their userrights log mentioning some concerns, from a few months ago. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:54, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

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Happy Adminship Anniversary!Edit

Happy adminship day, Swarm!! :D –MJLTalk 03:44, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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Looking for Help Getting Started - Would you like to Adopt Me?Edit

Hi there Swarm!

I hope you're doing well and that you find fulfillment and happiness today.

I am new to Wikipedia and looking to make an impact in the realm of Communications, a fervent passion of mine. In a world that is currently facing unprecedented disaster and large-scale problems, I'm hoping to make a difference by teaching others about the power of effective communication. In my humble opinion, nearly any problem can be solved through effective communication. If we can learn to effectively communicate and love one another with without judgment, maybe humans can finally come together to choose to protect life above all else.

Looking on the list of Wiki-adopters, you really stuck out to me because you specifically noted a specific passion for helping out newbies (yay!). You come across as honest, kind, and experienced. I'll admit that I have very little Wiki-knowledge, and I'm always excited and willing to learn!

I would love for your help teaching me the ins and outs, and I want to specifically make edits to, and improve pages related to human connection and communication. Eventually, I'd like to take a shot at creating a page or two!

Looking forward to hearing back from you (would that be on my own talk page?)

All my best, --CoreConnector (talk) 17:05, 26 November 2019 (UTC)CoreConnector

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