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Cutting and pasting = "semi-automated content page creation", right?Edit

I feel this is pretty obvious, but this discussion has highlighted that it is possible less than entirely obvious, that cutting/pasting a sentence and changing one word in it is "semi-automated content page creation". For this reason I'm going to do a small, bold edit to say as much. Please WP:BRD if you disagree. FOARP (talk) 09:48, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[]

That's rarely how mass creation happens, and that's not an example of "semi-automation". So I don't find the example very helpful, since this is meant to be very general section, and apply to all mass creations. WP:MEATBOT covers the rest, including mass copy-pasting. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:08, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[]
The examples I've been looking at lately of mass-creation have all been of the cut-paste variety. It may be that there are many others that I haven't seen of course. E.g., the Iranian "village" case. In every case the creator denies completely that either MEATBOT or MASSCREATION apply to what was done, even in cases where the articles were being created at a rate more than 50 or even 100 per day and consisted of the same cut/pasted sentence with one word or two words changed. Were they right to say there was no requirement to seek consensus before doing that? FOARP (talk) 16:14, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[]
The purpose of MEATBOT, as I understand it, is to prevent wikilawyering in dispute resolution (eg ANI). Such that if the community thinks the activity appears bot-like it can be considered as such, regardless of whether a bot was actually used or not. So whether the creator denies they used a bot becomes somewhat moot. The specific means of automation (a bot changing the word or a person doing so by hand) also becomes moot. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[]
"In every case the creator denies completely that either MEATBOT or MASSCREATION apply" and in every case, the creator is wrong about it. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 17:00, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[]
I came here spurred by what I saw in the same two ANI threads. WP:MASSCREATE basically says don't use (semi)automated tools to create content pages without approval, and it appears that the emphasis is commonly perceived to fall on the automated part. In the Turkish villages ANI cases, for example, there was a sub-thread where people tried to figure out whether the creator had used automation, with the understanding that it's bad if he had, and kosher if he hadn't (Incidentally, I think that's upside down: it would have been infinitely better if he had used automation because that would have meant less room for human error). I believe that was barking up the wrong tree. What made this mass creation disruptive was not the presumed nature of the tools used, but the simple fact that it was an instance of mass creation. The problem with the resulting articles was that they were based on a rubbish source, and that – possibly – some might not be notable. None of that appears to have been helped by the fact that the mass creation proceeded at a slow pace over several weeks.
This obviously goes beyond the scope of the bot policy, but we should have something, somewhere, telling editors that if they want to create more than n articles of a single type, they should seek consensus first. – Uanfala (talk) 00:03, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[]

Substantive contentEdit

I've created an essay at Wikipedia:Substantive content about topics that don't include any actual content which could be discussed with regards to MASSCREATE. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Not marking bot edits as a "bot edit"Edit

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

xaosflux Talk 10:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[]

I was asked on my bot's talk whether I could not mark some of my bot's edits as bot edits. Is there any policy or guidance or convention on when not to mark a bot's edit as a "bot edit"? Just want to make sure I won't get in trouble for not doing so. – wbm1058 (talk) 04:03, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposal relating to/modifying WP:MASSCREATE/WP:MEATBOTEdit

  You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability § Adding one new thing to the current SNG text. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 05:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[]

I don't see a good place to put this in that discussion, so I'll reply here. Feel free to link this if appropriate.
As far as WP:MASSCREATE and WP:MEATBOT, I don't think we need much if any change here. Further guidance on what sorts of sourcing is valid for a mass creation task would be better in other policies or guideleines, with a "see also" added to WP:MASSCREATE. I also don't think the proposal there is redundant to WP:MASSCREATE: it purports to establish a consensus on what sort of sourcing and/or level of content is sufficient for a mass creation task, which the bot policy does not (and IMO should not) touch on. Anomie 12:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[]
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