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Contributors welcome

If you're interested in writing about community news for The Wikipedia Signpost, please contact me (on my talk page or via email, however you prefer) so we can coordinate our efforts. As editor, I would at the very least need to have an idea of what topic(s) you're covering. If you use the wiki to write drafts of a news story, please do this in your user space. --Michael Snow 09:29, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Do you want article-specific comments on their respective talk pages, on an issue-specific talk page, or here? —Ben Brockert (42) UE News 04:07, Jan 25, 2005 (UTC)

On their talk pages is great, I do watch the articles for the week until they get archived. This page can be for discussion about the newspaper in general. --Michael Snow 07:11, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Question about article submission

Can anybody just submit an article to this newspaper? Or, what's the submission process? Can one write about themself, if they use the third person? (And is good gramma 'n speeling a pre-wreck-squizit?) -- Uncle Ed (talk) 11:52, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions. Joe D (t) 12:47, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
A better link might be Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom#In progress Reporters: note here what items you are working on ... editing each other's work is encouraged. In short, yes, anyone can submit an article (either simply suggest a topic or actually write the text themselves). This is a wiki - it will all be "edited mercilessly", of course! -- ALoan (Talk) 13:14, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Featured content changes

Dear Signpost,

I'm interested to see the editorial/layout changes in the "featured content" section - nicely done. I especially like the brief descriptions of the reason why articles have lost their featured status. A long time ago I asked if it were possible to provide some more details to that sections, so it wasn't so list-like. This brief description is right along those lines. Cheers, and have a happy new year.

Witty Lama 03:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This week's Signpost

Dear Signpost,

Why is this week's edition not up yet? It was supposed to be up yesterday! I know it was delayed the last two weeks because of the holidays, but the holidays are over! (talk) 05:49, 9 January 2008 (UTC) Will somebody PLEASE post the new Signpost already, or least answer my question!? (talk) 18:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC) I have been checking and checking and checking since yesterday! What's taking so long! (talk) 19:36, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We're very sorry, I'm not sure where Ral315 has gone to. I have the new issue up now. --Michael Snow (talk) 19:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! (talk) 20:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What is to be done?

Well, I've purged my cache, but still the only edition available is last week's. It's past 8 p.m. here (UK), so it's at least three days late now for pretty well everybody. It does not look good for this to be continually late.

It is difficult I know to choose from all the bits and pieces to construct something coherent, especially at these times when you have to tread very carefully. And real life can intrude at the most inconvenient times. But the delays are so frequent and so great that something must be done.

What should be done? Should the publication date be moved to Thursday? Should the Signpost be made a fortnightly publication? Should production be taken on by someone else? --Anthony Nolan O'Nymous (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nothing's to be done at this point. I could use some more writers; that would help it get out faster. Ral315 (talk) 19:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What needs to be written up?
--NBahn (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You could add short paragraphs to User:Ral315/News and notes about various minor stories from the tip line -- I'll probably add something there about the Board election and RecentChangesCamp, for example, unless you or someone else does so. Ral315 (talk) 20:35, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Next week : article about the Graphic Labs ?

Hello redactors of the Wikipedia Signpost, I come to notice to you the existence of the Wikipedia:Graphic Lab, where graphist work every days to edit image, clean them up, or create totally new image to illustrate and summarize articles. Also, an article may be really welcome, especially according to the fact that the graphic lab is use under it's abilities. "Images hunter" (people who ask image improvement) and Graphist are both welcome.

To write an article, you can look at :

If you wan to interview leading contributors :

Yug 23:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC) (old french leader, now away)

This would be an opportune time given the recent FP 1000. MER-C 06:20, 10 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Single-page view still links to last weeks Signpost

... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smokizzy (talkcontribs) 01:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed. --Michael Snow (talk) 02:42, 16 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Apologies. I believe when the new parser kicks in next week, we should be able to have it update automatically; I've tried, but the current parser doesn't allow it. Ral315 (talk) 20:00, 18 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How can I display the signpost on my userpage?

I'd like to display a small version of the signpost on my userpage. What template(s) can I use? Bardofcornish (talk) 16:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Whoops, I noticed you have the template displayed at the top of this page. Sorry! Bardofcornish (talk) 16:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What, no ArbCom review in this week's Signpost?

Hm? 23:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I guess not. David.Mestel, who usually puts it together, said he was very busy. Ral315 said he'd try to pick up for him, but that may have created too much work for him on top of simply getting the issue published. He's working hard to get back on the regular schedule. Basically, it illustrates the fundamental fact that we depend on having people step up and write. More reporters are always welcome. --Michael Snow (talk) 23:55, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I was planning to write it, but it got to be 5 a.m. in my area, and I knew I'd have to delay the Signpost at least another 8-10 hours in order to add the report. Ral315 (talk) 01:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Other news?

Is the signpost just restricted to Wikipedia or can it report other outside real world news? And if so are there any plans to put this into operation? Harland1 (t/c) 21:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Signpost coverage always has a relationship of some kind to Wikipedia. Perhaps you're looking for Wikinews? --Michael Snow (talk) 21:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's fine, yes I do know what wikinews is, I was merely wondering whether there could be some sort of newspaper her, I suppose that it would be a bit silly as there are much better newspapers out there and ours would get out of date, sorry for asking such a silly question. Harland1 (t/c) 16:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There are no silly questions, just silly answers.
(like this one)
Phil_burnstein (talk) 11:21, 18 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New "Dispatches" series

I love the concept of the new "Dispatches" series, but I can't say I'm enamored with the name. It implies that we are at war out here while editing. The analogy is that editors are like soldiers. I'm not sure that is the image we want to convey. There is too much of that anyway and it signals destructiveness rather than constructiveness. Awadewit | talk 07:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wow, that's not an association I would have made. I wonder what the St. Louis Post-Dispatch would think about it? Anyway, while the image you describe is problematic, I don't at all see how it's necessarily implied by the term. --Michael Snow (talk) 18:09, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That was how the term was envisioned. See here. Awadewit | talk 18:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Because the name was inspired by a historical reference to mentioned in despatches you think the name of the series is going to make editors behave like soldiers? That's a bit of a stretch. Anyone who missed the editors note is never going to realize the reference, which is just a bit of fun anyways, meant to elicit a small :) from those of us that did read it :) Signpost titles are historically a bit tongue-in-cheek too. What's the acronym for "The Report on Lengthy Litigation" after all? --JayHenry (t) 19:29, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I didn't the say the term would make editors behave like soldiers - I said it "implies we are at war" and that it is probably not the best image to put forth. That is different. And, by the way, I realized the reference without the note, and I certainly believe others did as well. It elicited a small :( from me, which is why I posted the note in the first place. Awadewit | talk 20:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My apologies for paraphrasing, Awad. My point though is that it's just for fun. It's not seriously advancing the idea that we're at war. --JayHenry (t) 20:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I guess I should be more conscious of just how many military history buffs there are around here, I missed that part of the note and the name doesn't really carry connotations of war for me. By all means, fight (combat? battle? attack? campaign against? My thesaurus isn't helping here) pseudo-military attitudes about editing if you like, they've been complained about in the past too, but I'm also not thinking this is the most important front (excuse me again) on which to tackle the issue. --Michael Snow (talk) 20:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I operate on the assumption that the words we use are important and signify our attitudes towards things. I know that the editors meant it as a joke, but my point is that the joke may not really send the best message. Awadewit | talk 03:59, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
While I obviously knew the reference Raul654 was making, having little military background, I didn't make the connection that the word was so wrapped up in military meanings. Wiktionary's definition (which I just looked up), in part, is "A message sent quickly, as a shipment, a prompt settlement of a business, or an important official message sent by a diplomat, or military officer." I would have never assumed the "diplomat/military officer" part of the definition -- it simply didn't occur to me. And I certainly didn't intend the name to be a joke -- if so, I would have probably stretched the current joke far past its limits, and named it "Editing Dialogue, Interactions, and Trouble On Roads" or something along those lines :)
That said, I'm truly not sure what most people would assume from the term; if it seems like a decent number of people have those same concerns, then it might be worth changing. I still see the term as multi-layered, only one or two of which have military references. I think my main understanding was that it was editors, dispatching editing news to us, and the Signpost dispatching this news to the editing community ("dispatcher" being the term there). And to be honest, I'm not keen on renaming a feature right after its introduction, but if there's a problem with the name.
Thoughts? I guess what I'm wondering is what everyone would have assumed it meant had I not explained Raul654's thoughts about it. Ral315 (talk) 05:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Raul brought it up a week ago at Wikipedia talk:FAC#Wikipedia dispatches and explained the title. Nobody there expressed any concern that this could somehow cause problems because of the message that could be sent by the title of the column. Maybe we could call it "Content Review And Promotion" or the "Weekly Article Recap" or "Best Articles of The Truly Laudable Editors". --JayHenry (t) 05:46, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes it's not even that. Words are important, but they are also complex and capable of many interpretations. --Michael Snow (talk) 16:50, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is not a question of whether the name has a military connection or not - it clearly does and the connection was announced in the first installment of the series. That the word has other meanings is clear. What we want to ask ourselves is whether or not we want to promote the war-like imagery that is clearly tied to the word. If we are going to change the name of the series, I would think it would be easier at the beginning of its run than later, when everyone has become accustomed to it. I'll try to come up with some ideas for names as well, but I need time to do that. I noticed that the initial discussion JayHenry linked to only went on for about two days. Awadewit | talk 17:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
For what it's worth, the same thoughts occurred to me when I read Ral's explanation of Raul's explanation of the title. I immediately thought of The Cunctator's words: "This user is a non-member of the Counter Vandalism Unit, because paramilitary fantasies have no place on Wikipedia." On the other hand, there is a continuum of conflict between cordial scholarly disagreement and actual war, and it's in some respects natural to invoke hyperbolic language about the things we care about on Wikipedia. At least with this particular piece of war-imagery, it's about a fight for something abstract (high-quality content) rather than against something concrete (e.g., vandals and vandalism). I'm not especially pleased with it, but it's tolerable to me.--ragesoss (talk) 18:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

To be honest, when I first saw the name "Dispatches", I thought it was a new section about Wikipedians who had passed away. Not nice. enochlau (talk) 17:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I personally like the name. It's hard to remember sometimes that Wikipedia is so vast that some areas really are foreign countries (even just on en, not counting all the actual foreign Wikipedias!). It romantically conjures up the days of the British Empire, a period replete with amateurs and dabblers and heroic feats. There are worse associations. --Gwern (contribs) 21:18 4 February 2008 (GMT)

The single-page view has yet to be updated...

...leading to my inability to store it simply and quickly in my USB Flash disk and read the Signpost at my leisure, without spending precious Internet connection time. I really appreciate the work that the Signpost's editors make, but all these delays that have been characterising it lately are, I must say, frustrating. Waltham, The Duke of 14:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It looks updated to me, as of two days ago. I don't know whether automating that update has been improved with the new parser yet, though. --Michael Snow (talk) 16:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I can say, quite confidently, that it has not been updated; I have accessed the page from three or four computers during the last few days, from two different cities, and I have yet to see the new issue. Maybe the new parser does have something to do with it, but I shouldn't know, as this is nowhere near my area of expertise. Waltham, The Duke of 21:57, 2 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's not automatic (though may be in the future), and should have nothing to do with the new parser. Try flushing your cache. Ral315 (talk) 03:51, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Didn't work. I'm telling you, the situation is the same wherever I attempt to load the page; right now I am editing from a public computer I have not used for weeks. The same situation. Something is wrong... Quick question: can you see the page updated? Waltham, The Duke of 13:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you saw the January 28th issue, that was correct when you posted it. I've since updated that to the February 4th issue; you should see that now. Ral315 (talk) 17:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually no, I was only able to see the 21 January issue (which was not correct when I posted this). I can now see the 4 February issue, and I assure you that it is the first time. Well... Problem solved.
I hope. Waltham, The Duke of 17:48, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, I'm not sure why it would have shown the January 21 issue; I was seeing the January 28 issue the whole time. Good to hear you're able to see the current issue. Ral315 (talk) 18:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know I don't have to answer, but I just love the indentation. Anyway, case closed. Waltham, The Duke of 18:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Email or RSS subscription?

Was there at one time some sort of email subscription? I have a hazy memory of that, but I can't find any evidence of that now. Regardless, I'd love that. Or even better, RSS. If it exists, please point me in the right direction! Thanks, William Pietri (talk) 02:56, 3 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Both existed at one time, but have been discontinued, because there really turned out to be no easy way to do either. Ral315 (talk) 03:50, 5 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What if someone hosted a WordPress blog where we posted up the contents of each weeks' Signpost? That way people could have that on their RSS feed. Would that be a good solution? enochlau (talk) 09:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I tried that, but it became a burden for me. If someone else is willing to maintain one, I'll host it at Ral315 (talk) 04:55, 7 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiReto in Spanish Wikipedia

Might want to do a little blurb about Spanish Wikipedia having a year-long contest to create articles, called WikiReto. Cheers. miranda 21:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Isn't sound one of the "media"?

In the "Features and admins" page, there is, as you know, a "Featured pages" section, a "Former featured pages" section, and a "Featured media" section. A very good layout, I should say—easy to read, and effective in handling all this data. However, I have one concern about the way this format is being used. Why is sound dealt with in the sections for pages and not in the section for media? Is sound not a medium itself? I find it much more rational to have articles, lists, topics, and portals in the former, and sounds, images, and videos in the latter. After all, these three are all in the Image namespace. Sounds have no content, so classifying them as "pages" simply makes no sense. Waltham, The Duke of 16:29, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is, and should probably be in media. Ral315 (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And it now is. Thank you for considering and applying my suggestion. Waltham, The Duke of 14:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

single page version not updating? is still displaying the February 11th edition for me. RJFJR (talk) 18:14, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

SIngle page view behind

Single page view is still displaying Feb 11th's issue, but it looks like Feb 18 is complete... 20:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh, not again... I think it also happened to me yesterday or the day before, when I looked. In any case, it seems to be fine now. Waltham, The Duke of 16:02, 25 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Protecting the current signpost

Yesterday, after a vandal had caused hundreds of pages to show up in CAT:CSD by placing a deletion tag on what was then the current signpost, I placed the current signpost under protection. Later it was suggested that I ask about it here. Do you think it's a good idea? עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I saw that, and have been thinking about it since then. When the transclusion system was first put into place, I considered doing so, but figured I'd wait and see if anyone saw the glaring bug :) I see you created Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Protection, and I think it's a good idea. I don't think there's a major concern with non-admins needing to edit it -- in practice, non-admins very rarely edit the headlines. Ral315 (talk) 07:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Single-Page View Archives not updated for six months

It's a shame the Single-Page View Archives have not been updated since September 2007, I needed some catching up. A script or a bot should do that... (talk) 02:17, 27 February 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is it possible to get a script or bot to update the SPV archives? This would be especially handy when there are multiple issues released on the same day. Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 17:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Curse you, Quiddity, you've ruined it all. You should have posted this 15 hours and 22 minutes earlier. :-D
Seriously, though, I agree that these things should be done automatically when there are the means available. At least when the manual system, erm, stays behind schedule once in a while. Waltham, The Duke of 19:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiProject report

Question: how can you apply your Wikiproject for the WikiProject report? The Chronic 06:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Manual of Style

Question: Do you use the [see heading]? From what I have seen so far, the [see heading] has been mostly followed, although there are sometimes deviations, and dates have often been left unlinked. What is your policy on this? Waltham, The Duke of 22:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding "see heading". Date linking usually depends on what the situation is, and we essentially follow a modified Manual of Style that's pretty much evolved over time. Ral315 (talk) 23:47, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The Manual of Style, what else...? Fill in "Manual of Style" where "see heading". Tried to be a bit humorous there; it is quite obvious that I blew it. Waltham, The Duke of 03:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nah; in some areas I'm great at picking up humor; I just seemed to be a bit dense when it came to that one. But yeah, the Manual of Style is a recommendation when it comes to the Signpost; usually, I link dates when they're in a reference, header, or a list of dates. When it's not really necessary, I don't make an effort to date-link, because for some reason, some users get really annoyed when there are a lot of date links in articles. Ral315 (talk) 08:58, 8 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. And what about ENGVAR, to state it in Wikipedia terms? Do you always use American English or does it depend on the writer of each article? (I know I could just look this up, but I guess I'm a little too bored.) Waltham, The Duke of 00:05, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I missed this question; it basically depends on the individual writer. I see no reason to edit for consistency as in general, Wikipedians are used to mixed variants of English. In practice, anyway, it's mostly American English, although we notably have a Canadian and Australian writing for us weekly right now, and have British writers in the past. Ral315 (talk) 05:32, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is reasonable. I only make edits, nowadays, to correct obvious typos and a couple of punctuation matters (like en dashes instead of hyphens in number ranges and lists); these are common between the various dialects, are not controversial, and improve readability, if only slightly. If at some time I happen to overstep my bounds, of course, I should be reverted. I flatter myself that it will never be necessary. Waltham, The Duke of 18:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Wikipedia in second place (after Google) on the 2008 Web Globalization Report Card. "This year, the report rated the Web sites of 225 companies across 21 industry categories, analyzing elements such as languages, global navigation, global consistency, and localization." VanTucky 19:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RSS feed

Hello. I made an RSS feed for the Signpost here via It seems to work well enough, although it's not super fast to update. Each post is a link to a story that week (not fulltext, but better than nothing). regards pfctdayelise (talk) 08:59, 8 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If I understand correctly FeedFire pareses the entire HTML page and then adds every link on it to the feed? In that case this api link might be more suitable, although it contains some garbage around it and sends out the wrong content type. -- Bryan (talk|commons) 10:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think it adds every link with > 4 linked words. (That turns out to be quite a reasonable limit to figure out navigational vs new/s links.
Would that API link thing update itself every week as the Signpost page does? pfctdayelise (talk) 17:14, 8 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It should :) Maybe when I have some time (in 2020) I'll create some tools for the Signpost, such as an RSS feed. -- Bryan (talk|commons) 22:19, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What to watch?

I was previously watching the front page of the signpost to spot the new edition but I've just realized that this no longer updates so I am about 5 editions behind. Is there a page I can add to my watchlist that will simply update everytime a new edition is posted? I've not after a talk page or email, just something that shows up on my watchlist. - SimonLyall (talk) 02:30, 9 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue. Graham87 08:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perfect, thanks - SimonLyall (talk) 11:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I think that I may have mentioned this somewhere else before, but how about a classifieds section? People who want to get the word out of a neglected part of Wikipedia, asking for help, etc, can make requests. Since many people read the signpost, it can help bring people in to reduce both wikistress and the chance of a project failure. Some people may think this is Canvassing, but the counter-arguement: It is open, nonpartisan, neutral. Some may call it mass-posting, but because it's in with a message with at least 5 other projects, then it really can be considered an exception. I'd like to hear what you guys think! Soxred93 | talk bot 13:32, 22 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Isn't this the function of the Community Bulletin Board? Waltham, The Duke of 19:58, 22 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The what? (by the way, this also shows that a change might be nice) Soxred93 | talk bot 22:15, 22 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
News and Notes has been used to advertize stuff like newly launched projects, but a formal "classifieds"-like to advertize things such as informal or new project collaboration, prospective new projects and similar stuff. I'm sure the community will find uses for it. Circeus (talk) 02:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I need more information to work on, and I shall reserve judgement until I have it. Waltham, The Duke of 19:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I really do not want to see classifieds; the signal-to-noise ratio, I think, would get too small. Ral315 (talk) 23:16, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How do I join

how do I join to help write articles or write articles for the post?-- King Rock Go 'Skins! 00:04, 2 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are you in the Union? Sorry, but you can't join if you aren't in the Union. :-D Waltham, The Duke of 03:24, 2 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
An intensive background check on Kingrock disclosed no crimes of moral turpitude that would disqualify him from membership. Accordingly, he is hereby declared to be a member of the Union. As per custom, no dues will be assessed during the first year of membership.
OK, Kingrock, now that you're eligible, go to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom and check out the links there to decide how you want to contribute. JamesMLane t c 05:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You might also want to tell him you were joking about the union... Deadpan humour doesn't always work on the internet. Carcharoth (talk) 16:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC) Oops. Misread date. Thought it said 2nd May, not April...Reply[reply]
The introduction to the joke was concluded with an emoticon; therefore, all of the following statements pertaining to the same matter fall under the coverage of said emoticon, under the provisions of the Electronic Communications Act 2006. Get your facts straight. Waltham, The Duke of 19:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC) You filthy, despicable liar; you were bidding your time, waiting for this day to arrive, so that you could comment here and get away with it. But you cannot deceive us, no...Reply[reply]
LOL! That would have been even funnier if you had waited a full month to reply to that... Carcharoth (talk) 01:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perhaps... However, I am not the filthy, despicable liar that it would take.
I simply represent such people and stand for all they believe. Waltham, The Duke of 07:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Besides, I mightn't be able to gain admittance in a month; there seems to be a full-scale journalists' strike in progress, and who knows how long that could carry on...?

Single-page version wasn't purged

Someone forgot to flush. I did ;-) (talk) 10:39, 2 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Google treats Wikipedia better today

Enter the words "main page" into Google. For a long time, Wikipedia's main page was the first thing that appeared. Then CNN's main page overtook it and Wikipedia was in second place, and so it remained for several months. That's changed within the last few hours. Now, not only is Wikipedia in first place again, but, just as with youtube, you get a box that says "Search Wikipedia". Michael Hardy (talk) 20:09, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In all sincerity, this is a very interesting thing to hear. However, this page is about the running of the Signpost. Perhaps you are looking for the tip line? Waltham, The Duke of 22:40, 3 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Really? I still see Main Page at #2. --Gwern (contribs) 16:51 6 April 2008 (GMT)

Wikipedia in the news: The Brooklyn Rail

Here's an interview with me about my Wikipedia photography and interviews that was just published in The Brooklyn Rail, a New York literary print magazine. --David Shankbone 14:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

dates in template

For some reason {{Signpost-subscription}} on my user page isn't display the date of the current issue, it is still showing last week, but the link to single page works correctly. I've refreshed and it still doesn't show. Is this known? RJFJR (talk) 17:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I see it just fine. Try purging your cache. Ral315 (talk) 18:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That fixed it. Thank you. RJFJR (talk) 13:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No post this week?

No POST for the 28th April week? =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:22, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For a variety of reasons it's been delayed. I plan to post it later today. Ral315 (talk) 15:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Still nothing. Can we start speaking of a record? :-)
(No offense; I like records.) Waltham, The Duke of 07:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(undent) Did anyone else NOT receive delivery of the May 2nd issue? ArcAngel (talk) 15:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I didn't send it out due to a hectic schedule, and the fact that we didn't post it until Saturday due to the difficulty in getting feedback for a sensitive story. I'll send both weeks' worth together today. Ral315 (talk) 19:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Leaving aside the fact that I didn't see the new issue until late Sunday, I wonder why it was back-dated; the second of May was last Friday. (For the record, I shall be the last person to complain about delays of the Signpost; however, I appreciate precision.)
On another note, I have often seen a belated issue distributed with the next one; is there a specific threshold for that to happen? Waltham, The Duke of 01:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
To the first point, it was published on Friday night/early Saturday, so I dated it to Friday, which seemed to make the most sense to me. To the second point, usually only when I don't have time to send it out until Saturday or Sunday, in which case I figure it's least disruptive to send it once. While the delays in last week's issue had nothing to do with me, I've been extraordinarily late over the last few months, due to real-life busyness; I expect to be nearly on-time by the end of the month. Ral315 (talk) 03:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As I see it, unless you live very far east of the Greenwich meridian, it might make more sense to stamp a late Friday / early Saturday issue with Saturday's date, as that will be the day most Wikipedians will read it. Besides, the morning newspapers are distributed in the dead of the night, aren't they?
Anyway, thanks for the response. Keep up the good work, and us informed. Waltham, The Duke of 04:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS: Is it all right if I copy-edit the articles after they are published? I take care only to make small changes, as I do not consider it proper to alter the authors' style; this is not the mainspace, after all. (For example, although I disagree with italicising quotations, I have not acted against them so far.) Waltham, The Duke of 04:41, 8 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It was just delivered now. I assume it is a little late. -- RyRy5 (talk) 07:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"In The News" reform

I'm not sure if this is an appropriate announcement for Signpost, but I'll suggest it anyway. There is a proposal to reform the "In The News" section on the main page. Whereas all of the other sections, like Featured Articles, get updated every day, ITN gets two or three new news items a week. For example, the same picture of Fernando Lugo has been on ITN since April 20, almost two weeks. In addition, deaths like Arthur C. Clarke don't make it to the main page, nor items of "local" interest like the London mayoral election. I think a lot of editors would support something more open and dynamic. If you would like to help in this reform proposal, please see Wikipedia:In The News 2.0. Thanks. Lovelac7 07:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Features and admins

The section Features and admins contains admins/bots and featured articles/lists/pics. I reckon the featured stuff should be moved to the top, rendering admins and bots at the bottom. Reason: the featured content is more important, and also more interesting to readers who are not-so-regular editors. It would follow the structure of the headline we use: features, then admins. Punkmorten (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

First, I am very disappointed by your unilateral change 1 minute after posting this discussion. Furthermore, you silently slipped this discussion into the archive [1] to avoid anyone noticing it. Please avoid pushing your personal layout POV without allowing reasonable time for discussion. OhanaUnitedTalk page 17:10, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please do not change the layout of that page; this has been discussed before, and the decision was to leave it as-is. Ral315 (talk) 05:29, 10 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Has the Tutorial ended?

No new instalment has been issued for almost two months (more specifically, since 17 March). Waltham, The Duke of 18:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We're working on it; we haven't cut it or anything, but we have none left. Feel free to write one! weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 08:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You are joking... The only area where I am knowledgeable enough to actually write a tutorial is succession boxes... And I doubt that it is that much an important part of the editing process. The boxes are not even officially recognised by Wikipedia... Waltham, The Duke of 17:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Project newsletters?

A number of wikiprojects run newsletters containing project news; for an example, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Greater Manchester/Newsletter/May 2008. How about having a page in the Signpost that links to new issues of these newsletters? Mike Peel (talk) 18:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I personally think that your idea might be too hard to acccomplish. Although it could be useful, it's just to complicated to keep track of those other newsletters. -- RyRy5 (talk) 07:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Maybe. But bear in mind that there's editors behind those newsletters, who presumably want to see them read as widely as possible. So I'd hope that they'd come to the signpost when they have a new newsletter, rather than the signpost having to go to them continually to check. It may prove difficult to make the list of newsletters and editions complete, though. I would be interested in creating such a page, and maintaining it at least for a while to see if it works and does become self-sustaining, if a) it is thought to be useful and b) the Signpost is willing to experiment. Mike Peel (talk) 08:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Project notables could go at the end of dispatches,like the shorties of News and Notes? With references to the full newsletter. This would also solve partly the issue of running short dispatches. Alternatively, re-use Project reports as an internal News and Notes covering WikiProjects? That would be shorter than the full report, and could be replaced any week by a full one. A possible example of such note is the external blog recently inaugurated by WikiProject Oregon. Circeus (talk) 17:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just a heads up, this project was mentioned recently on the WMF Blog. Best, NonvocalScream (talk) 19:56, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tutorial for AWB

Is it possible to write a tutorial about using AutoWikiBrowser? It is a really powerful tool and can help save a lot of time for editors (if they know what it is and how to use it). Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 20:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have heard that users don't know how to use it, even though they have read the directions and procedure at WP:AWB. IIt could be useful, but I'm not entirely sure. -- RyRy5 (talk) 07:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey Dudes, dudettes, chimps, clowns, cellular blobs and the stuff I found on my shoe last week!

How about a comedy section! We need to introduce some light-heartedness once in a while! Cmon, it's good to laugh at yourself!--Editor510 (talk) 20:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What sort of comedy are you thinking of? I like the idea of pseudo-academic analysis of wikipedia using essays in Category:Wikipedia humor Circeus (talk) 21:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Be careful if you go down the humour route: one man's joke is frequently another man's insult... (e.g.: pseudo-academic analysis could come across as pseudoscience.) Mike Peel (talk) 21:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
WikiWorld is a non-serious look at encyclopedia content. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 21:40, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I was thinking...uh...excerpts from wikistories, and wikipedia-related jokes, a wiki webcomic...--Editor510 (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

First Signpost in June

Why hasn't Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-02 been posted? — Athaenara 04:25, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

[ The issue went live at 20:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC). — Athaenara 04:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC) ]Reply[reply]
For the last couple weeks, we've been running a bit behind, typically publishing late in the week instead of early. If you're eager to see something in particular, you can take a look at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Other, which has links to most of what will be in the 6-02 edition.--ragesoss (talk) 04:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. — Athaenara 05:08, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Clickable Signpost image

I would like to change the Signpost subscription box as follows:

Clicking the Signpost title image now leads directly to the current issue instead of the image description page (if the titlewidth parameter is provided, the non-clickable version has to be shown). Currently, the Signpost subscription box redundantly links to the table of contents of the current issue while the more useful single page view link is hidden in the footer. The issue link of the proposed box now points to the single page view and the footer has a new link to the Front page. Cacycle (talk) 02:29, 16 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wasn't there a fuss about the image being a image mapped before? Here and here spring to mind. As was said in the discussion, consensus can change but I believe it was more of a legal issue rather than an aesthetic one? I dunno.. just posting as an observer here really. Rehevkor 12:43, 16 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The legal point was mooted, as I redrew the image (not exactly, of course), and made it public domain. I don't like click much as an accessibility issue, and I'm not sure whether most readers, who tend to be well-versed in Wikipedia's conventions, would expect it to link to the Signpost, or to the image description page. Any thoughts? Ral315 (talk) 21:38, 16 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And, as for linking to the Single Page version, I oppose this, because the basic interface design makes much more sense when it links directly to the front page. Ral315 (talk) 21:45, 16 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have proposed this change because linking from the box to a page that just replicates the box without any additional content always felt very redundant to me. Actually, it is the so-called "single page view" that contains the complete issue, including the front page with its table of contents. I have never really understood the reasoning behind prominently linking to just a table of contents instead to the whole issue (it cannot be bandwith as the Signpost is not longer than common Wikipedia articles). In the proposed version, insiders can click through right into the complete issue view. For those interested only in the "front page" table of contents there is now an new easy to find link in the footer. Cacycle (talk) 03:01, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I access the Signpost via my watchlist mostly, but I remember moving my mouse over that image when I first saw this template (to see where it would take me). It just seemed logical that an image reading "The Wikipedia Signpost" would also link to The Wikipedia Signpost. I know that normal article images link to description pages, but images like this are placed in different contexts. I would support an imagemap. Cheers, Face 21:52, 16 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, and as Ral said, there is indeed no legal issue (PD). - Face 21:53, 16 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would very much like a clickable Signpost image. VanTucky 02:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mostly agree with Ral, with one basic exception. I really don't like seeing the Signpost logo link to the image-description page, and, generally, I prefer seeing captions, and in some cases—like portal boxes—image-mapping, in most images used in message boxes and the sort. Furthermore, it has been a long-standing convention across the Internet to go to the main page of a website when clicking on the logo or title, and thus it would be more intuitive for most editors to have the image link to the Signpost's main page instead of the current issue; besides, it makes more sense (it does say The Wikipedia Signpost). In the same way, it is more sensible to have the issue's link lead one directly to the current issue.
As far as the footer link is concerned, I think it is a matter of usability and link prominence. I am unsure as to whether it is the image link or the issue's link that is more prominent; both appear to me as relatively obscure. The image is more prominent in general, and many might think to click on it, but that is rather un-Wikipedia-like and many experienced editors are unlikely to see the image as a link. Still, I have another idea: why not link the date to the issue as well instead of applying auto-formatting? I mean, do we need preferences activated in the Signpost box? A double link to the issue below the image (but not a single link including the separating dash—that would be too much blue) in conjunction with a "Front page" footer link might restore the desired balance. And even if someone still manages to miss the link to the single-page version, it can be accessed from the main Signpost page, one click away.
PS: The image-description page can still be accessed from the main Signpost page, as a loop link leading back to the same page would be useless. Waltham, The Duke of 12:43, 17 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hello? Waltham, The Duke of 04:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. Ral315 (talk) 04:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I should post smaller messages. (expression of magnanimous forgiveness) Waltham, The Duke of 18:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was asked to comment again on linking to the Single Page, so I'll say, for the record, that I think it's non-intuitive, because that's not the front page. Google's logo still links to Google's main page, even on search results, even though the front page gives little more benefit than the search bar already available at the top of the screen. Also, the single-page view is only viewed half as many times as the main page, and of those users who read the Signpost from the template, the main page is preferred to the SPV by a 4-1 margin. Thus, I think it makes much more sense to leave the link as-is, to the main page. Ral315 (talk) 23:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I am surprised that so many readers actually use the full view, given that the link to it is so difficult to find. To me, this clearly demonstrates a significant user demand to prominently link to the full issue. I am not aware of any print newspaper or online news portal that has no article text on the front page. Also here on Wikipedia do we show the complete encyclopedic articles on the first click instead of only their table of contents. Moreover, I do not see any advantage of forcing the readers through a contents-only page. I would strongly prefer to have the full issue as the default view (or at least to have a prominent link to it). Cacycle (talk) 13:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've made my arguments for the link to the main page, and again, I don't see any reason why linking straight to SPV would even be intuitive. I wouldn't mind adding a link to SPV at the bottom with the other links, however. As for text on the main page, I made a proposal back in 2005, but reaction was mixed, and it seemed many users preferred the more simplistic design simply because it fit without forcing users to scroll. Ral315 (talk) 06:53, 12 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Military media mention?

In the June 23, 2008 Signpost, there is supposed to be a "military media mention" in the News and Notes section, but it doesn't actually appear there. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 03:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That mention was from the previous News and Notes; I forgot to remove it. Fixed; thanks. Ral315 (talk) 03:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

grammarnerd outed

In this week's Signpost you outed the real name of grammarnerd. Was that done on purpose? (talk) 08:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not "outing" to use a real name that the user discloses on the wiki (the first name is on her user page, the full name is on the image description page of her photo, and on her blog, both of which can be found from her user page). It has always been routine for The Signpost to identify people by real names where those have some relevance, and it definitely does here where the name appears on a published paper. --Michael Snow (talk) 15:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikiworld cartoons

This is what I've just posted on the talk page of the latest cartoon:

Please be less US-centric in your topics!

I love your cartoons, but they are seriously US-centric. As Wikipedia is supposed to be international, please look further than the US for people or things to write about. I've looked back in the Wikiworld archive and there is a massive US bias in it. I know it's easier to write and draw what you know about because you're American, but please stretch your boundaries. It gets very tedious for the rest of us.

I think it should be renamed WikiUS as it barely covers the rest of the world.

I'm going to copy this to the Signpost talk page in case you miss this (talk) 16:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They are not "our creations", they are (were, rather, as he does not produce new ones anymore) created by an independent cartoonist that happened to have an interest in Wikipedia, and were not even specifically intended for the Singpost. Circeus (talk) 16:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, the latest Signpost has a new cartoon. If you have specific topic suggestions, you might mention them to the creator, User:Greg Williams. He's made comics based on other users' suggestions in the past, and if he plans to start making them regularly again, he may find the suggestions helpful.--ragesoss (talk) 16:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't believe Greg has any current plans to publish new comics on a regular basis; rather, he'll do so on an occasional basis. That said, I'm sure he'd appreciate ideas for comics. Also, if any artists are interested in contributing a regular, Wikipedia-themed cartoon of their own, let me know. Ral315 (talk) 06:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

2008-06-30/Arbitration report

C68-FM-SV: The case has seen little activity over the last few weeks.

I believe it's well worth pointing out that the "little activity" was mainly the arbitration committee's little activity. The community has provided a lot of evidence and workshop proposals. And there is currently fairly big discontent over a proposed motion to close the case. user:Everyme 16:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia in the News

The last few Signposts I have missed the "Wikipedia in the News" section, which summarizes and links various mentions of Wikipedia in the news media. The last "Wikipedia in the News" appeared in the July 7 issue. Have there been simply no stories about Wikipedia in the press over the past month or so? This is the primary section of the Signpost I look at, so I should hope it returns. Badagnani (talk) 18:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It would be great to have a response about this. Badagnani (talk) 08:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, it's summer, so I guess there just isn't much to report. It's my favorite section too, and I hope it returns after the holidays. Cheers, Face 12:19, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This being wikipedia, the best response is: If you like it, create it. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 12:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I were an editor of the Signpost, I would certainly do so. There have certainly been articles about Wikipedia in the media, and they have even been suggested at this talk page, yet have not shown up in the Signpost over the past month or so. In my opinion, this section should not be allowed to lapse. Badagnani (talk) 08:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
{{sofixit}}. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 22:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I were an editor of the Signpost, I would certainly do so. But, I've already said that. Badagnani (talk) 05:47, 11 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You become an editor of the Signpost by, um... editing the Signpost! There's no designated "editors" (apart from Ral315) - it's just written by whoever feels like it. You might want to drop a note in the planning room if you do intend to write something, to avoid overlapping. the wub "?!" 09:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No "Wikipedia in the News" section in the new edition as well. Badagnani (talk) 07:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My point earlier was, stop complaining and start helping. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you, but nevertheless those regular contributors to the Signpost should take note of these comments. Badagnani (talk) 18:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In the news: John McCain may have utilized Wikipedia

See [2]. Badagnani (talk) 07:43, 12 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Why was there no response to this, and it wasn't included in the last edition? Badagnani (talk) 05:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The place to leave news is the Tip Line page: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions#McCain_speech_appears_partly_plagiarized_from_Wikipedia for related discussion]].--ragesoss (talk) 14:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Single-page view still links to last weeks Signpost

The same as told above, except this time, it is the 28 July 2008 version which is hanging around. Comte0 (talk) 15:03, 12 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In the news

Badagnani (talk) 05:12, 22 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The place for this is the tip line. In any case, interesting article. Waltham, The Duke of 13:42, 23 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Nobody mentions the 2.5 millionth article milestone here?

What is the matter? Why is there no fanfare about the 2.5 millionth article; not even a single mention on the latest Signpost? --Let Us Update Special:Ancientpages. 07:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Normally, minor milestones (and this is a minor milestone) are part of the "News and Notes" feature, which has been irregular in recent times. Circeus (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please restore "Wikipedia in the News" section

Another media mention here. The past month or two, several such stories have been presented, but none has been included, and the "Wikipedia in the News" section has not appeared in the past three or four issues. Badagnani (talk) 19:08, 27 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry, real life issues meant that I didn't have as much free time as I would've liked. I've written something for the upcoming issue. In future, if I happen to disappear for a while, I'm happy for someone else to fill in temporarily - just take the initiative. enochlau (talk) 16:58, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Date autoformatting

Regarding the recent change at WP:DATE, the autoformatting of the issue date should probably be removed. --Eleassar my talk 11:30, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree; a little less blue won't hurt. Waltham, The Duke of 12:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This means e.g. Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-08-25 would have to be moved to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/25 August 2008 etc. --Eleassar my talk 16:37, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Would this change break all the old issues as well as future issues? enochlau (talk) 17:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Presumably there'd be redirects from the old issue's old names to their new pages. --Gwern (contribs) 21:05 8 September 2008 (GMT)
Is that actually necessary? There's nothing indicating that ISO dates cannot be used for names of community pages. Titoxd(?!? - cool stuff) 06:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not really necessary but would help a lot. The problems with autoformatting listed at Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)/Date autoformatting mostly apply here too. Especially: "Many readers who do not have autoformatting will find the ISO format less intelligible than either American or International format". --Eleassar my talk 08:17, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Behind schedule

This is getting silly... the Signpost is an entire week behind schedule. Maybe the next issue should just be dated September 8 instead of 1? TheCoffee (talk) 06:44, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The upcoming issue will be a double issue. enochlau (talk) 15:18, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So they're not just dated the date they're issued? Michael Hardy (talk) 19:30, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

They're nominally issued for a particular Monday. enochlau (talk) 20:43, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Two weeks late by my count. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sourcing newspapers to become easier

According to this report, Google is going to digitize old newspapers. - Tbsdy lives (talk) 08:50, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia Signpost talk page template

Template:Onlinesource is a talk page template for Wikipedia pages referenced by the press. Is Wikipedia Signpost considered the press (e.g., can I use Template:Onlinesource on talk pages with org=Wikipedia Signpost ?) or is there a separate talk page template that can be used when the Wikipedia Signpost references a Wikipedia page? Thanks. -- Suntag (talk) 01:21, 13 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good question. There is no separate template. I would consider us a press source along the same lines, as we've been cited as such on some pages. Ral315 (talk) 06:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

He mentioned WP before he died

Randy Pausch died July 25, 2008 of metastacized pancreatic cancer. But before he did, he wrote a book called The Last Lecture. And in that book he favorably mentions Wikipedia (in relation to the quality control over at World Book). My question is, has this been reported in Wikipedia Signpost's In the news feature yet?

If not, I'd like to write something up for that.

Please let me know.

The Transhumanist 21:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well... I don't know if he meant what he said seriously... - Tbsdy lives (talk) 21:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That sort of stuff normally wouldn't be covered in ITN because it's typically restricted to online sources only (for practical reasons). What kind of stuff did he write though? Is it actually newsworthy? enochlau (talk) 01:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd say it sounds interesting. Of course Ral will have the final call, but I say write it up.--ragesoss (talk) 02:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
He did say that. Just finished the book, I highly recomend it. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 18:20, 4 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

1,000,000 entries on EN and FR Wiktionaries

I think they were made on the same day.

Something perfect to add to the Signpost's next issue. --Let Us Update Special:Ancientpages. 06:14, 19 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

About style guidelines

The signpost, obviously, doesn't conform to the WP:MOS, but there are no comprehensive editing guidelines. Therefore, I would like to propose that articles for the signpost follow (or closly follow) the Wikinews style guidelines at WN:MOS. Citation is not generally nececarry, though links to relevant discussions and med/arbitrations.--Ipatrol (talk) 03:26, 31 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What's happened to the Signpost?

There seems to have been a problem; there's been no new issues of the signpost since October 13th, nearly 3 weeks ago. What's happened? If Ral is unavailable, is someone else willing to step in and pull things together? At least, have other people besides me noticed the problem? (talk) (really, User:JesseW/not logged in) 08:19, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's slowly dying. Unfortunately, it's typical with volunteer projects. --WoohookittyWoohoo! 14:38, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've noticed it too. Is anyone else willing to write stuff for it? I could possibly take one of the sections or be an editor. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 14:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Everyone has noticed. The Signpost has been a great thing while Ral and others have been willing to write so much for it, but unless enough other people step up to the plate it will go the way of the Dodo. Or maybe it's best to fix on a slower release schedule, say monthly. - Taxman Talk 15:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
In the meantime, though, I know a lot of editors rely on the Signpost for coverage of the Arbcom Election candidates - and we're days away from opening nominations for the next election cycle. Anyone keen on putting together an Election report? UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 20:49, 4 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I asked Ral on his talk page ages ago, as well as on the newsroom page, but got no response. I'd be happy to put something together. As much as Ral's work on the Signpost is appreciated, perhaps it is time a new editor was appointed. It can't go on like this. – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have some thoughts as well, but let's give Ral a chance to respond here first. Carcharoth (talk) 00:19, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I left a note here for Ral. He said here that he was aiming for 27th October (over a week ago) but also said he had been swamped with a lot of things to deal with. I'll e-mail him as well. Maybe it would be a good idea to try and get some people to volunteer to help see things through this period? I don't think the Signpost is quite dying, but it is struggling at the moment. Carcharoth (talk) 00:14, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Rumors of the Signpost's death are greatly exaggerated. Seriously, help is always appreciated, particularly now. Ral315 (talk) 22:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Signpost stories on BLP and living people

I was recently using the new search features (full details here) to search all Wikipedia's pages for pages with "blp" or "living" in the title, in order to provide an overview of the pages related to WP:BLP (the result is here). One of the things I noticed from this was that there have been several stories in the Signpost on BLP (the policy on biographies of living persons). This is not a comprehensive listing, as there may be other stories without 'BLP' or 'living' in the title, but I thought the following would still be of interest:

Would anyone who has read the Signpost from the beginning be able to confirm whether there are other BLP stories? Carcharoth (talk) 00:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New searching tools

See here. This should definitely be mentioned in the technical side of things, though I'm sure it has been already. Carcharoth (talk) 00:03, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New editor-in-chief?

I'm not sure of how to go about this, or to not make it sound rude or anything. The fact is though, Ral315 has been only semi-active as of late, and while he's been mostly working on this when he is here, Signpost hasn't been published for weeks now. While I appreciate Ral's hard work over the years on this, perhaps it is time a more active editor took over the role of Editor-in-Chief? In order for Signpost to be successful, it needs to be run smoothly - I and others have left comments for him regarding the Signpost on his talk page, which have seemingly been ignored, and it cannot go on like this. At least until he can commit more attention to this, we should at least point a new temporary Editor-in-Chief. – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:20, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I know Ral has been slow to respond sometimes lately (or failed to respond?), but could you notify him of this on his talk page and by e-mail? We should really give him a day or so to respond here before moving forward with anything. If you look at his contribs from 30 October, you will see that he was working on the Signpost for that week, but it never got published. I sent him an e-mail to check that everything is OK. Hopefully we will hear from him at some point. Let's not rush into anything. Also, you will need to advertise this proposal to get more input, as I don't think many people watch this page. But as I said, I'd wait a day or two before doing that. Carcharoth (talk) 00:24, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've left a note on his talk, but since you said emailed him, I think that will suffice. I'd rather not pile on emails to him. – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:28, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I apologize for my absence; I've been extremely busy between work, school, and other issues (none too serious, but time-consuming). I plan to publish tonight.

As far as the Signpost in general: This isn't my project, it's the community's. I will say that I think I can get back to a weekly schedule from here on out. The issue is that I don't have much help. When we were operating at our best, I had a lot of writers. Right now I'm handling the News and notes, Features and admins, and Arbitration report sections, and no one is handling the In the news section. That's in addition to the non-regular stories that I've been trying to cover, like Board of Trustees news, the fundraiser, chapters discussions, and local community news.

The only user I've had helping me on a regular basis lately is Ais523, and he's been inactive over the last few weeks as well. So, I don't know whether we need a change in editor-in-chief, and I'm certainly not the right person to answer that. But I do know that we need writers, desperately. Ral315 (talk) 22:35, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll volunteer to take up In the News right now. I check RSS feeds (which include "wiki" and "Wikipedia" alerts) and my watchlist every day, and I'm more than capable of writing it on a weekly basis. Let me know, Steven Walling (talk) 22:40, 7 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Replied on your talk page. Ral315 (talk) 07:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, having worked on the Dispatches for almost a year now, I don't see any indication that the issue is that we need either a new editor-in-chief or a deputy. I see the same problem in the Dispatches and throughout Wiki. Everyone says they'll help, and shows up when they want something published, but very few are willing to commit to the day-in, day-out responsibility of meeting deadlines, following up, doing the busy work. It's easy to criticize the editor-in-chief when others aren't pitching in to write: exactly what I'm finding at the Dispatches, where no matter how often I go out and drag people in to write articles, I have shouldered most of the responsibility of making sure content is generated each week myself. The solution is not a new editor-in-chief: it's people committing to writing something and then following up on the responsibility once they say that they want it. Just like in mainspace, we need writers. And we need writers who do a good job, so the editors don't have to pick up the pieces and rewrite and rework entire aricles to prepare them for press. And who don't drop the ball after they ask for a slot: I've had dozens of editors ask specifically for a slot at the Dispatches, and then not follow through, complete the article, or generate an article worthy of publication, so that I have to finish up every article myself. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:43, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree that the problem is finding reliable writers who will write week-in and week-out without needing to be hassled to make deadlines. But I would point out that it is part of the role of an editor to organise that sort of thing (and find new writers if the current ones aren't reliable enough). Admittedly not to the extent that you had to do for Dispatches. For example, Sandy, you could try to find someone willing to edit the Dispatches, but then you might lose editorial control or want to still do the "final edit". If you want to take more of an executive editorial role for Dispatches (i.e. approve the subject of each week's dispatches and pass the final page for publication - still subject to Ral's overall approval), and leave others to do the dirty work of hassling people to make deadlines, that could work. But the problem, again, is finding people to do that work. Not all writers are reliable enough to make deadlines, and sometimes editors will have to hassle people to keep things moving. Carcharoth (talk) 19:46, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Carcharoth, when commenting on issues, please try to be better caught up on the history of those issues. I have located over and over and over again, editors, writers, collaborators, people who want slots, you name it. It's an issue of being there over the long haul, when the publication is due, consistently. Writers explicitly ask for a slot, and then don't complete the article on time, or don't complete it all. Almost every single Dispatch results from me locating, tracking down, badgering, following up, etc. Others agree to edit or help shepherd Dispatches, but aren't there over the long haul. Those are the facts of Wiki: it's a volunteer effort. Please don't make statements about whether those willing to do the work need to be replaced unless you're one of those who has been there over the long haul. Thanks, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:49, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sandy, when commenting on issues, please try and get your facts straight. I did not, and never have, called for Ral315 to be replaced. He does sterling work on the Signpost. The person who started this section was User:How do you turn this on. Carcharoth (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Correct: struck above, with my apologies. SandyGeorgia (Talk)
Glad to hear things are OK, Ral. Thanks for the response and the apology for absence. My view is that these things happen and that the problem is, as Ral says, writers for the Signpost, not really the editor (who as he says is doing far too much of the writing). I would volunteer to do stuff, but will be fairly busy myself over the next few weeks. I did leave a suggestion at the Tip Line to include something about the new Wikipedia search functions. I think readers would be very interested in that. As for getting new people to write, I think you need to make a sustained effort to advertise far and wide for new writers, posting in lots of different places (maybe the previous appeals were not posted widely enough?). If you get more volunteers than you know what to do with, try and find someone to deal with that while you edit the Signpost, or get someone to do an interim Signpost while you organise the volunteers. It is possible that a deputy of some kind would help if you were pressed for time in the future. Carcharoth (talk) 09:19, 8 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thing is, I would be happy to help with the Signpost. However, my offers were simply ignored by Ral, twice when I asked on his talk page, and on the Newsroom page. If you want help, accept it when it's offered. As a complete newbie in this area, I don't have the faintest idea of how to go about doing this. I'd surely expect the editor-in-chief to answer my queries when I offer to help out on a particular area. You can't simply expect people to know how things are done. – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Honestly, I thought I had replied to you after the second note on my talk page; my apologies. Please also consider the possibility that the real-life issues that have prevented me from publishing over the last few weeks also precluded me from responding to queries about the Signpost. Ral315 (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I completely understand your busyness, and only came to believe you'd missed my notes when you were still editing in other areas. In any case, it's not a problem at all. I'm still interested in helping out all the same. Best wishes, – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Single-page view has not been updated in a month

Could someone fix this. I have been reading Signpost for years in Single Page view, and it hasn't been updated since mid-October... 00:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Signpost has been on hiatus, have a look at the above recent threads. A new issue is coming out today I believe. – How do you turn this on (talk) 00:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I skimmed through the above a bit, so if this is incorrect sorry. But if you guys ever need a botop to spam the post I'm available pretty much every day. I'd volunteer to write, but I'm afraid I'd fall under that "creates something, but the editor still has to mess with it for an hour to make it readable" category. :( §hep¡Talk to me! 05:16, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The single-page view was still displaying the old Volume 4, Issue 41: please click the link "click to purge if transcluded articles are updated" at the bottom of SPV after a new issue is out or it won't be visible. (talk) 18:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This shouldn't be the case, as when I edit the page, to add Volume 4, Issue 42, it should clear the cache. Is it possible your browser cached the old version? Ral315 (talk) 09:46, 12 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Keep it up

I'm very glad to see the Signpost moving along better again. Keep up the good work, everyone, I still find it extremely useful, and only regret that I can't get even more news by reporting on stuff myself. And Ral315 should be commended for continuing as long as he has without completely giving out, it's a good bit longer than I was able to last. By the way, I've asked to get the audited financial statements published, if you want to know - I'd do it myself, but the version we reviewed had been faxed around and marked up, and I want to get a clean copy. --Michael Snow (talk) 04:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Seconded. It's great to have the issues coming out on a schedule again. Thanks to Ral and all the writers. - BanyanTree 03:23, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delivery issues

Why has no signpost been delivered to me since September 15th?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Look up above you. The section titled New editor-in-chief?. ;) §hep¡Talk to me! 00:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Average signpost size

What's the average signpost size when transcluded using {{Signpost-subscription}}? -- Mentisock 12:35, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Error with nominations template

There are several red links here, and I have no idea how to fix the problem. I'd post this in the column's (so to speak) discussion page, but I don't know how many people watch those pages (and it's a previous issue anyway). Waltham, The Duke of 13:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fixed the red links with this for now, to mimic the method used at {{Ffr}}, although this method isn't correct (there are often multiple archived reviews). There was a problem recently with Wikimedia, where the previous redirects are being redlinked. I'll leave a note to Gimmetrow. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
{{ffr}} had a solution since December 2007. Barack Obama (nom), Barack Obama (nom). Made {{ffl}} similar. Gimmetrow 17:20, 14 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is excellent. Thank you both for your prompt response. Waltham, The Duke of 14:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Signpost medal recognition system

The From the editor: 200th issue article provides lists of Signpost writers with a certain number of articles. DYK has a medal recognition system that provides a motivation for people to make further contributions to DYK and provides a way to recognize their efforts on their user page. Perhaps the Signpost would benefit from adopting its own medal recognition system. -- Suntag 20:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I've got some spare time, a relatively good command of the English language, and the desire to help out with the Signpost. What can I help with? Hermione1980 03:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

In general, keep an eye on Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions and look for anything you think deserves a Signpost story of its own that no one is has mentioned wanting to write about at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Other. Then leave a note there and draft a story.
This week, a story on this might be good. (It's also been covered in the press, and if you're feeling really ambitious you could scour the web for examples of the kind of usability problems non-editors or would-be newbies experience).
A lot of interesting news coverage and academic studies of Wikipedia falls through the cracks, and doesn't even appear on the suggestions page. Periodically doing news and blog searches for Wikipedia stories and posting the significant finds on the suggestion page is always appreciated.--ragesoss (talk) 04:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Would one page, edited by anyone, like the Germans do it be better?

I guess the German version of the signpost is continuosly updated, instead of coming out in issues. Since we seem to have trouble with deadlines, might this be an improvement? - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 21:50, 20 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here's what it looks like. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 03:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Latin-American Wikipedia Meetup

Hi!Have how you write about the Latin-American Wikipedia Meetup?Thank you,Tosão (talk) 20:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Just a thought, but maybe the Signpost could do a regular segment on the activities on Commons - there's not really much call for a newspaper over there, but it might help educated Wikipedians about what Commons does. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think this is a great idea -- we just need an author! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 04:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiCup interview?

Would anyone like to do a story on the WikiCup? iMatthew // talk // 23:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please consider changing headline

This must be the fourth or fifth Signpost issue that I've looked at. Even so, every time I see The Report for Lengthy Litigation I reflexively associate real-life lawsuits, not arbcom proceedings.--Goodmorningworld (talk) 01:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No opinion on whether it should be changed or not, but I believe the odd-sounding title was chosen so that the initials would spell out "TROLL". (I used to tease David.Mestel, who wrote that page for a couple of years, about his "TROLLing for the Signpost".) In the same silly vein, "Bugs, Repairs, and Internal Operational News" abbreviates to BRION, which is a reference to Brion VIBBER, who does much of the programming. Newyorkbrad (talk) 16:34, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please rephrase

See my {{editprotected}} request here. Mike R (talk) 19:58, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit request (moved section)


Please reword "not dead yet" -- yeah I get that it's a cute Monty Python reference, but I'd like to think that Wikipedia has outgrown such childishness. Mike R (talk) 19:54, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's in keeping with the other slightly silly titles the Signpost uses for its regular features (BRION and TROLL). But if others object as well, I'll change it.--ragesoss (talk) 21:50, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Don't see a need to change it, Washington Post/others use similar titles. PS to requester, this page doesn't have the text you're speaking about, it's a transclusion. §hepTalk 21:57, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Looks like I'm in the minority, that's fine. Mike R (talk) 22:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not done, then. —Angr 22:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What's childish about an on-topic cultural reference? The Signpost has a long history of occasionally dropping in a bit of humor to keep from being completely dry and stuffy. --Michael Snow (talk) 18:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, as pointed out above, many major newspapers use the same strategy for stuff that's funny, I wouldn't call it childish either. There's no need for us to "outgrow childishness" either: it's a volunteer-written community newsletter, not the International Herald-Tribune.--Aervanath (talk) 04:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Our encyclopedic style of writing is already considered blander that that often found in other encyclopedic sources, so I don't see why we should restrict ourselves in content made by and for wikipedians. Circeus (talk) 18:37, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/Issue

I've moved the thread above to this page from the /Issue talk page, which I've redirected to here. This is to allow this page to be a centralised discussion point. Also I'm sure I'm not the only one who keeps /Issue on their watchlist, and don't want to clutter up the watchlist with discussion. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 06:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good idea.--Aervanath (talk) 07:26, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Britannica interview

I'm doing an interview with the press guy from Britannica, about their news features. Would Signpost consider running the article as well? It'll be just a Q & A format thing. Here's the prep page, where I'm soliciting questions. -- Zanimum (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, I'd definitely consider it. I encourage Signpost contributors and readers to suggest questions, and I'll try to think of some. By the way, normally the place for tips like this is the Signpost Tip Line.--ragesoss (talk) 22:09, 31 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to subscribe?

the main page should have a link to subscribe to the signpost. I still don't know how to! Ikip (talk) 22:03, 31 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Here is where you can subscribe.--ragesoss (talk) 22:10, 31 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Suggestion for the Features and admins section

I just wanted to make a small suggestion regarding the Features and admins section, specifically the admin section. This section lists those users who were successful; I wonder if we can/should list those who were unsuccessful. If perhaps not a list of those not getting adminship, even just a one-liner like "...and four users were unsuccessful or withdrew."

I figure there would be some interesting trends that come out of that stat. Recently there have been fewer adminship granted (this past week had none); I wonder if this is a function of fewer nominations or fewer successes.

Just a suggestion. --Jordan 1972 (talk) 23:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Too hard to count them all. Some are only opened for few hours before they got snowballed because the editor has less than 100 edits. Tracking all of them involves too much time. OhanaUnitedTalk page 15:54, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Not necessarily, most (if not all) are listed at WP:RFAF - specifically, here. Caulde 16:01, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think the Signpost is fine the way it is, with only actual promotions listed. After all, those are the ones which are of interest to the community at large, and similarly we don't list every failed featured article candidate. It just seems a little negative to point out those who didn't make it every week. BTW, The NoSeptember Admin Project has a wealth of statistics and information on admins and RfA already. the wub "?!" 15:43, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

MotD Story

I have to be honest, I was a more than a little disappointed with the story about the Motto of the Day project. When I was interviewed (and I think many of my comrades would agree with me, though I don't speak for them), I assumed that the author was going to take the information from the interview and use it to write an actual article. Had I known that it was just going to be copied and pasted, I would have written in a much different (and more serious) tone. I thought I was doing an interview for use in an article, not writing the article itself. At the very least, we should have been informed this format was what the author had in mind so we could have been certain to write it at our best. As it is, my response is filled with jokes, parenthetical statements and non-sequitors that never should have made it into a finished article, and would not have had I known this is how it would be used. I feel like this article made me look like a schmuck in front of my peers. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:05, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Whoa boy. I just took the format from other Wikiproject reports, that is, the interviews. I probably should have told you the format beforehand. Apologies. On a brighter note, I feel the interviews there are very light-hearted which reflects the tone of the project, as well as giving readers a bit of respite from the "same old same old". I believe the interview responses were exactly what I would have wanted an article to sound like. However, it was flawed judgement not to inform you of the format. Sorry again,  GARDEN  14:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Apology accepted. In truth, I would have kept a light tone with my answers, but I would have also stayed away from some of the jokes that would be less appropriate in a finished article (like the parenthetical statement that I asked you not to give for attribution), and the answer to the last question would have been in a much different format. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my concerns. Nutiketaiel (talk) 17:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I didn't know what you meant with that bracketed bit, I figured it was joke. Sorry again.  GARDEN  13:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It was- a joke for you, not for your readers.  :-) Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:30, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Motto of the Day is Serious Business! the wub "?!" 15:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Suggestion: T1

In light of CSD T1's long and interesting history, I thought you might want to run a story (or at least a bullet) on its recent repeal. Some templates are still up at TfD, but one way or another it's mostly done with. Dcoetzee 00:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good idea, but I didn't see this in time b/c it wasn't on the tip line :) Next week. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 04:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Woops, my mistake. :-) I'll keep that in mind in the future. Dcoetzee 00:42, 11 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

sequential links

What about inserting links to the previous/next issue? Already inserted in the "In the News" section, it allows easy short-term browsing. ptrf (talk) 09:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, this would be good. However, there's currently no way to actually view previous front pages - just article lists, in the Archive. If anyone can find a way to do this, I'd be happy to help. PretzelsTalk! 09:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
How often is this rewritten? AirplanePro 22:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure I understand the question. This is an old discussion thread; the feature has since been set up. — Pretzels Hii! 08:39, 21 May 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

F&A: Bots

I'm not convinced that the section is particularly useful in its current form (list of names, essentially), but it does fit nicely with the layout of the page as a whole. It always strikes me that bots/tasks that are currently in discussion are missed out - so Signpost readers only hear about them when the deed is done. I'm not here to moan, of course, without providing a solution. I for one would be happy to weekly turn this:

Eight bots or bot tasks were approved to begin operating this week: Citation bot (task request), Chris G Bot (task request), DYKHousekeepingBot (task request), LivingBot (task request), ListasBot (task request), D'ohBot (task request), Locobot (task request) and LivingBot (task request)


Eight bots or bot tasks were approved to begin operating this week. These included:

DYKHousekeepingBot (task request), a bot to update article talk page DYK tags, tag images that have appeared on Did you know (DYK), and create new DYK archives;

Citation bot (task request), a new task for the bot, designed to standardise usage of citation templates in individual articles;

ListasBot (task request), extending the list of places from which the bot can draw a listas parameter for{{WPBiography}}. Also approved were Chris G Bot (task request), LivingBot (task request), D'ohBot (task request), Locobot (task request) and LivingBot (task request).

You could then append a section talking about the bots still in discussion, but I haven't given that bit much thought yet. Admittedly, there might also be bias perceived in the selection of the "headline" acts, but most of the time its quite obvious. As I said before, I'd be more than happy to do this if it was felt a net benefit, or not, as the case may be. - Jarry1250 (t, c)13:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think that would be useful! Feel free to try it out; you'll probably want to coordinate with Seresin/Garden. We may need to start an F&A draft in the newsroom like the other sections. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 16:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I seldom do much but bang out typo or MOS corrections (and occasionally read some discussions to remind myself why I'd rather work than debate), but I do really enjoy each issue of Signpost. This week's LGBTI Project article was educational, informative and much needed. I say that from the viewpoint of being white and straight. Thanks to all of you out there who create, debate, police and report. LilHelpa (talk) 16:24, 30 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

/Holy Family Hospital


I've rewritten this article. Do you want me to paste it here so you can have a look or should I just repost?

(Aussiescribe (talk) 06:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

Could you clarify? What article are you referring to?--ragesoss (talk) 15:38, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This forum is for discussion of the Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost. If you are asking whether a new version of /Holy Family Hospital would still be deleted for not indicating the importance of the subject, don’t paste it here. Instead upload it to User:Dsouzaron/Holy Family Hospital, and then inquire (perhaps at the Wikipedia:Help desk) whether it meets Wikipedia standards. —teb728 t c 00:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The bot hasn't been sending the Signpost for the last 2 (including today) issues. Is there something wrong with the bot delivery? —MC10|Sign here! 01:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry about that. We'll try make sure today's and last week's issues get delivered soon.--ragesoss (talk) 03:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Date unlinking bot discussion

There is a community RFC about a proposal for a bot to unlink dates. Could you run something about this in the next Signpost? This issue has been rather heated in the past (including a very long arbitration case), but I hope we can gain consensus for this rather limited proposal. The discussion will be open for two weeks. The proposal is at Wikipedia:Full-date unlinking bot and the RFC is on the talk page. Thank you. --Apoc2400 (talk) 10:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proposed gadgets

It would be quite helpful if the weekly discussion report would list ongoing discussions on Wikipedia:Gadget/proposals (and possibly one or two related pages), as decisions there can affect every logged-in user of Wikipedia (if they happen to hunt down the Gadgets section of their preferences), and the page currently gets very little traffic. Thanks in advance! ダイノガイ千?!? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000 22:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good Article Backlog

The backlog of articles waiting to be reviewed at Wikipedia:Good article nominations is now up to 323 articles, and some are up to two months old. Can we please include a line in the next Signpost encouraging editors to review these nominations? It's easy and there are topics for everyone. There are also plans for another backlog elimination drive. Thanks, Reywas92Talk 22:53, 27 June 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I thought I would make a suggestion to include a "classifieds" page once a month; and in the section include things editor's little projects and writing contests and things of this nature to help get the word out for those who may be looking for something to do outside on Wikipedia other than what they usually do. I grant this may seem a little odd, but it may help put wikipedias who need x in touch with those who have x, and it may also help boost your readership some. Just something to think about. TomStar81 (Talk) 19:26, 3 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Although I am still on the subscriber list, I did not receive the July 13 edition. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikiconference New York article

Um ... it appears that the July 27th issue has been published with our article on Wikiconference New York still in an ... unfinished condition. Like the part about my talk, for example ... it might be good if someone polished that a little bit. Thanks and regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Indeed :) --JayHenry (talk) 13:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Whoops ... missed that! Regards, Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Build-your-own edition

An interesting idea; hopefully it will suggest to some editors that they could be regular contributors.

But - and a very large but - a the Signpost is not a Wikipedia article, which is constantly being seen by an ever-changing group of readers. A newspaper is supposed to provide a snapshot of what happened of interest since the last issue. Readers of the Signpost don't expect to have to return to articles such as "News and notes" to see if they have been expanded.

So, a suggestion: Set a cut-off, say 48 hours after publication, for this idea, and then remove the invitations (on various pages) to readers to add information. (Perhaps the "From the editor" page could be changed to mention the cut-off.) -- John Broughton (♫♫) 13:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

John, that's a good idea. My own thought was to keep an eye on it for the next few days and make sure it reaches at least the level of (in)completion that a normal issue would before publication and get it up to that level. And after that add a thank-you and remove the explicit invitations. I changed the "from the editor" a bit along these lines.--ragesoss (talk) 14:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If it stays in the historical record that I gave a half-hour keynote address singing Monty Python songs, then next year I'm going to do it. Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm tempted to call it done right now.--ragesoss (talk) 14:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Brad, I think it's been published in a reliable source and is thus True, no? You're on for next year. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 15:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can I suggest that a DIY Signpost should link from the current article to the draft article for next week. I wouldn't mind writing a couple sentences on something that I see on Google news from time to time, but asking me to remember and wait until the article goes live to find time to put it in before the deadline is a bit inefficient. If done, I also wouldn't see much point for the tip line, as people would be expected to note their "tips" directly into the relevant recurring feature... - BanyanTree 12:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've implemented something like this. Now the front page of the Signpost will link to the in-progress stories for the next week, and "news and notes" and "in the news" are linked to the coming issue (they always are as long as the page exists, but I'll make sure the pages get created early). Let me know if you have suggestions for how to make it easier and more intuitive.--ragesoss (talk) 16:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like the forward link; I suggest that the not-yet-published page have something like "Under construction until publication date: You can help by adding to this page." -- John Broughton (♫♫) 16:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's a good idea. I'm not sure how to make work with the template system. Someone who has strong template kung-fu will be needed to code something that checks the 'date of next issue' parameter and applies that notice only until the issue is actually published. I'll try to recruit someone.--ragesoss (talk) 17:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've always seen Signpost as the New York Times of Wikimedia; something I can rely on for up-to-date quality news. I personally dislike the new, "Build your own" edition and I'm hoping that this does not become commonplace. –blurpeace (talk) 04:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


If more than one transcluded article has references it can create a mess. Please use the groups extention to avoid this. Alternatively, clickable references like this or this [3] can be used, but be consistent with any given edition of The Signpost. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 18:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. I'll try to make sure that problem doesn't crop up again.--ragesoss (talk) 18:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Link needs fixing

On the News page of the current edition, the link at the bottom to "News and Notes" does not go where it should, namely Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-08-03/In_the_news. However, I don't know how to edit the page to fix this. --Goodmorningworld (talk) 10:34, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry I was wrong. THat link at the bottom of the page does not lead from "In the News" to "News and Notes", it goes from this week's "News and Notes" to next week's. Still confusing, as next week's issue has not been written yet :) --Goodmorningworld (talk) 14:24, 4 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank You!

Just wanted to thank everyone who works on Signpost, I do enjoy reading it. I'm missing the project interviews, though. I would like to see more interviews, one each week. They wouldn't have to be about projects. They could be notable Wikipedians or even random people that have, say, a thousand edits under their belt. It might be interesting just to get "the man in the street's" view. You could even try interviewing some vandals!... although I guess that might cause problems: perhaps best not to feed them the oxygen of publicity. Or the oxygen of oxygen, as Linda Smith would have it. --bodnotbod (talk) 17:45, 5 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's a good idea!—well apart from the last bit(!) --candlewicke 20:58, 17 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Worth covering monthly and linking to or summarizing in between? FT2 (Talk | email) 09:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yes indeed. Thanks for the reminder. It's been our intention to highlight the updates each month, but it often falls off the radar.--ragesoss (talk) 19:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Drew Smith account apparently not compromised

Two independent checkusers were run on the Drew Smith account, and both determined that it is highly unlikely that anyone besides the primary account holder has used it. See his talk page for a discussion and evidence. Thought you should know, since the Signpost is still reporting otherwise. Toodles. --Jayron32 02:55, 18 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the correction. Can you point us to the checkuser reports?--ragesoss (talk) 20:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Versageek and I ran them, there were no formal SPIs filed... see [4] (look for my sig) and User_talk:Lar#Email (which will get archived at some point. Hope that helps. ++Lar: t/c 16:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia articles on Amazon

The story seems incomplete. Perhaps you could add a little more information on Wikipedia's reaction to this fraudulent selling of Wikipedia articles?--Edge3 (talk) 18:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't think they've commented, mainly because it's not fraudulent; that's why we license things the way we do. Shoddy, but not illegal. - Jarry1250 [ In the UK? Sign the petition! ] 19:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Isn't claiming to be the author of the articles illegal?--Edge3 (talk) 19:31, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It would hang on you definition of claiming authorship I would think. - Jarry1250 [ In the UK? Sign the petition! ] 20:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Is there enough notability to warrant a new article? I think I might want to write one... :) --Edge3 (talk) 20:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The Signpost and the Manual of Style

I've got a bit of flak from someone because I've posted their comments, per the manual of style, as a quotation and therefore have to "Preserve the original text, spelling, and punctuation." What's the general opinion on that sort of thing? Do we cut fellow Wikipedians a bit of slack, or are we to follow the Manual of Style and preserve the text? One way of going at it is perhaps to tidy the quote and then quote it, but then that has implications if you change the feel of the text. I could ask the authors, but if I'm close to the deadline I may not have time. Thoughts? Hiding T 08:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Use the manual of style. If you're going to be quoting someone, you can't change their typos no matter how embarassed they are or how much they want to rant on your talk page. I think the way you're working now is just fine; however, if you insist on a compromise, perhaps you could just put a single "[sic]" at the end of the quote rather than after each individual typo. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Internal links

Wherever possible please use internal links in articles, such as for mailing lists. It looks a lot neater than having the whole link there. Thanks, Majorly talk 12:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

moving wikipediaweeekly template during wikimania

Just to inform everyone,

I've moved the WikipediaWeekly template on the Community portal *above* the Signpost template. This is, as per tradition, done during wikimania as there is a lot of new content coming out from Wikimania from the podcast. This is our big event of the year at which we record daily episodes and interviews.

This will be reversed to the norm at the end of the conference (the next time the signpost publishes an edition).


Witty Lama 16:42, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Inline discussion?

Would it be possible to append an article's talkpage to the bottom of the page, for example
{{hat|reason=Comments|2=These comments have been [[transcluded]] from this article's [[Wikipedia talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talkpage]]- please add your comments there!}}
{{Wikipedia talk:{{PAGENAME}}}}
Which is similar to the layout on various news sites (those with a comment system, at least)?

Or is this not the proper place to ask this? --King Öomie 18:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I like this idea and would be happy to implement it into the template if others are in support. The "Also in this issue" section could be adjusted to run as a sidebar to the comments. PretzelsTalk! 20:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • Seems like a good idea, but would it work on the single page view? Hiding T 11:33, 8 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't see why not. I'd suggest adding a disclaimer at the bottom specifically mentioning the transposition transclusion from the talkpage as well, lest users used to other systems try to add comments directly to the page. --King Öomie 18:24, 8 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Edit- I've updated the code above, and added it (activated, minus the actual transclusion, because we're already ON this page) below-
These comments have been transcluded from this article's talkpage- please add your comments there!

Test test test!

  • That's now coded into a template, and you can see it in action on Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-09-21/In_the_news (as an example). If I don't hear back from anyone I'll add that to new articles in time for the next issue; it requires no extra parameters and is a one-word change from the existing template. PretzelsTalk! 17:58, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I like it! I think one of the "add a comment" links should be removed, though. Preferably the second one.--ragesoss (talk) 19:07, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Features and admins

Is this section missing from the current issue? Staxringold talkcontribs 14:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's missed this week, but...

...The Onion has commented on the male/female ratio. Here [5] Darrenhusted (talk) 17:17, 10 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Is this normal?

The latest issue I've received is the August 31 one, so I got suspicious and checked the Signpost's page. Turns out I've missed the last 2 issues. Is this normal? Thanks, Airplaneman talk 18:01, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was just about to inquire about this. The last issue I received was the August 24 issue. Is this a problem with the bot or what? ♥NiciVampireHeart♥ 19:56, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I apologize for this. The normal delivery bot stopped halfway through on a few deliveries and hasn't done the last two at all. I'll try to recruit some more delivery bot operators and get talk page deliveries back to normal.--ragesoss (talk) 21:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I see. I don't know a thing about the bot languages, but I could run one for the Signpost if you guys want. Airplaneman talk 23:04, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'll go ask ThaddeusB about it. Airplaneman talk 23:20, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Asked at his talk. Airplaneman talk 23:26, 20 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I believe there are several existing bots that could do this task. I believe Ragesoss is planning the check on that. If for some reason they are inadequate or unable to do the job, let me know. A message delivery bot is a pretty simple coding bot & as such I could write one if needed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
OK. Airplaneman talk 03:52, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Radio 4; medicine and Wikipedia.

This week's Case Notes on Radio 4 [6] had a section talking about the accuracy of mediical pages on WP. Darrenhusted (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Date autoformatting

Just to say, I've adapted all the templates I can find to support auto date formatting; dates should now format themselves according to the setting you've made in Preferences. If you find anywhere this doesn't happen, let me know. Thanks! PretzelsTalk! 22:00, 27 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

But we're not supposed to do date auto-formatting any more. And in this instance it's particularly a problem because people may expect to click on the date and come to the current issue of the Signpost. Certainly that's what I do, because the Signpost header isn't obviously clickable. Can you change it so the date goes to the current Signpost, please? Rd232 talk 08:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've used the formatdate function, not wikilinking, to autoformat. This is the proper method of doing this. Where are you referring to with the date link? --PretzelsTalk! 14:55, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Two questions

[Discussion moved from old Planning room]
  • I like the idea of having opinion pieces; I think if we get some that are written well, they will be a very good addition. My question is how the decision to run them will be made. Is this an editor-in-chief thing, or is it anyone-who-wants-to may provide input? Second question is a minor style point. When referring to editors, should it be written [[User:Foo]], or [[User:Foo|Foo]]? My preference is the former, and without doing any significant checking, I seem to recall that being the format used traditionally. The latter seems to be used often lately, though. ÷seresin 22:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    Would it be helpful for this kind of thing to be collated in a brief style guide? PretzelsTalk! 21:52, 26 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
  • Regarding the decision of what to run, the "anyone-who-wants-to may provide input" model seems the most appropriate to me. The way I imagined it working would be to use the opinion desk as a holding pen for non-time-sensitive pieces to give feedback and try to find ways to improve and polish them (and to collect sets of related pieces), and publish pieces or sets once they are mature. I think the "White Barbarian" essay would be a good way to start it off this week. There are some other submissions that are strong, but most of them I think could use some feedback and polishing.
    As for referring to editors, the convention that I've been using lately is "[[User:Foo|Foo's Real Name]] (User:Foo)" for users who identify themselves by their real names on their userpages, and "[[User:Foo|Foo]]" for those who don't. But I'm not wedded to that, it just seemed like a good combination of naturalness and transparency. I think a Signpost style guide would be useful.--ragesoss (talk) 00:42, 28 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    I've been using [[User:Foo]] and then Foo for later instances in the article. Hiding T 10:51, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Technology report (B.R.I.O.N.)

With the impending depature of Brion Vibber, will the age-old technology report need a new headline? Or, do we keep Bugs, Reports, and Internal Operational News in tribute? --PretzelsTalk! 15:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I say tribute! what do others think? -- phoebe / (talk to me) 15:51, 29 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I've never been a particular fan of these pseudo-acronyms, since some of them are rather insulting; but this one is pretty innocuous. Kirill [talk] [pf] 03:58, 30 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don;t mind this one. I don't like TROLL or DRAMA. I don't mind keeping this one as a tribute, but I'd support a move to retitle the other two. Hiding T 10:50, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
TROLL and DRAMA should have been changed long ago. They always were belittling. Tisane (talk) 01:11, 7 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Until now I never noticed these. ^_^ Keep 'em! Paradoctor (talk) 01:21, 7 March 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

250th Issue

If I've calculated correctly, the issue dated December 7th 2009 will be our 250th issue. Does anyone have any ideas regarding this? Bumper issue? Save up some extra pieces? Get a short opinion piece from Michael Snow, or Ral315? I think it would be nice to do something. PretzelsTalk! 01:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • They seem like good ideas. That's nearly five years then, isn't it? Hiding T 10:48, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
    • I'm all for doing something special for the 250th issue. I'll do a "from the editor" in the November 30 issue to try to attract some interest. Something from Michael Snow and/or Ral315 is also a nice idea; I'll send them an email about it.--ragesoss (talk) 15:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Several months ago you did an article on OpenStreetMap. Can you give me a link to the article.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:16, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2009-04-06/Interactive maps --PretzelsTalk! 13:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No problem — you can search Signpost articles here. PretzelsTalk! 14:55, 5 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Should we add a link to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom/Suggestions at Wikipedia:Signpost/Template:Signpost-footer? Hiding T 12:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

There's a link to it at the top of the Feedback page... although I agree we may need another. The footer gets cluttered though - do you think we could add a stinger sort of thing in the article footer, by the comments? --PretzelsTalk! 14:46, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
What's a stinger sort of thing? Hiding T 15:04, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Like, an advert of sorts - a note saying "Got something for the Signpost?" or similar. PretzelsTalk! 15:21, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Okay, yes. Whatever people think works best. Hiding T 15:27, 6 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User talk:Templarion

This user is deceased in real life. Can you please stop the sign posts building up on the talk page. Thanks. (Reminds me of the fact my house still gets mail for its previous owner who has been dead for four years) --Sooo Kawaii!!! ^__^ (talk) 20:03, 17 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Templarion won't be getting Signpost deliveries any more. Thanks for bringing this up.--ragesoss (talk) 22:02, 17 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Summary Templates and transclusion into signpost

So I have an idea. Would it be a worthwhile to propose a requirement that all closed arbitrations, RfCs, RfAs, etc be added to a Template page that was automatically transcluded into the Signpost? Mention would be very brief, just a one-sentence blurb for each. We Signposters could take care of creating the transclusion mechanics and the subst: template or whatever, but in the future the onus would be on closing admins to add mention to the centralized template.

It seems to me that the Signpost is an ideal place to centralize information on many important but widely scattered projects. This vision could make the Signpost a powerful tool for keeping abreast of all the mechanics of WP. - Draeco (talk) 06:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


So when do I exactly get to interview people? Please respond on my talkpage ASAP. Secret Saturdays (talk) 00:01, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Interviews are being coordinated by User:phoebe at the Interviews desk, but that page looks to be dormant at the moment. I expect you are welcome to contact staff and interview them for the Signpost whenever you see fit. --PretzelsTalk! 14:57, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


With the improved design of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Newsroom, it's no longer clear where members of the community should post material and other things that might be worth coverage in Signpost. Can this be better indicated - a clear section on that page or a separate page?

Also the redlink for "Add a summary directly into the next issue of the Signpost" here should never redlink. Can pages for the next issue be automatically created a week or 2 in advance, or when the current issue is closed to additions?

Thanks. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

we could just turn the 'feedback' link into 'suggestions' and have it link to the suggestions page, with a top notice on where to leave feedback -- rather than the other way around as it is currently. More people seem to leave suggestions than feedback. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 18:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done. — Pretzels Hii! 14:38, 2 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Encyclopedia of Life

Would it be useful/interesting to conduct an interview with people associated with the EOL? I know it's not a Wikimedia project, but it could be nice to see what other wikis are doing and to talk about crossovers and Wikispecies. --Danger (talk) 17:38, 10 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think an interview with someone from EOL would be great.--ragesoss (talk) 17:45, 10 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have a contact; I can prepare an interview perhaps by late December.--Danger (talk) 18:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Comment Style

Okay, what gives? I want to use a talk page to post comments to the authors of a Signpost piece while it is being written. However, I find that the talk page has been transcluded into the article. That strikes me as a really awkward change. I don't want my comments being read by every editor that reads the resulting article; that's unnecessary. If one is going to have a transcluded comment section for every article, could you please use something other than the talk page? Talk pages, by convention, are for discussing the appropriate content of it's associated page. By turning it into a generic comment section, you violate that convention (using it to discuss the topic of the article, rather than the article's content), and deprive people like me of any natural space for discussing article content. Dragons flight (talk) 08:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What I had been doing when there was significant discussion related to the writing was to blank the page upon publica