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@DannyS712:, you should report on the creation of {{Newsletters}} and invite people to add Newsletters that are missing from it to relevant section. If they can't figure it out themselves, just dropping a message on the template's talk page should be good. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:30, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

@Headbomb: report it where? News and notes? --DannyS712 (talk) 00:44, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
That's where I was thinking. Open to other locations, but it seems weird to include in tech report. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:45, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
@Headbomb: Okay. I'm adding it --DannyS712 (talk) 00:55, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Cool. It'd be a good idea to send a mass message about this to to all Wikiprojects. You're a mass messenger, and I'm a bit fuzzy on the details here. What's the steps for this? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:56, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
@Headbomb: All of them, or the ones listed as having newsletters (or just the active ones). Basically, get me a list of pages you want a message posted to, and what message you want posted, and I can send it --DannyS712 (talk) 01:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
It would be all of them, since it's hard to know which newsletters have slipped through the cracks, or have non-standard names. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
@Headbomb: Okay. Ready when you are - see Wikipedia:Mass message senders#Before making your request for the things I need (targets and content) to send a message. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 01:15, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

───────────────────────── It might even be nice to list all newsletter issues that have come out since the last signpost. It could even be possible to have a section where newsletters can transclude/substitute in a little 100-200 word summary of an interesting update? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 11:21, 5 June 2019 (UTC) It seems the sort of thing that could be automated. Example of labelled section transclusion from Wikipedia:WikiProject Tree of Life/Newsletter below:

On 23 May, user Prometheus720 created a talk page post, "Revamp of Wikiproject Biology--Who is In?". In the days since, WP:BIOL has been bustling with activity, with over a dozen editors weighing in on this discussion, as well as several others that have subsequently spawned. An undercurrent of thought is that WP:BIOL has too many subprojects, preventing editors from easily interacting and stopping a "critical mass" of collaboration and engagement. Many mergers and consolidations of subprojects have been tentatively listed, with a consolidation of WikiProjects Genetics + Molecular and Cell Biology + Computational Biology + Biophysics currently in discussion. Other ideas being aired include updating old participants lists, redesigning project pages to make them more user-friendly, and clearly identifying long- and short-term goals.


In the Media: Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia [review in JAMS]Edit

The current issue of the Journal of the American Musicological Society (JAMS) (Spring 2019, Vol. 72, No. 1, pp. 279-295) has a review by Darren Mueller of Wikipedia from the point of view of musicology. He is clearly very familiar with Wikipedia including its social networks and provides good context for understanding issues. Beyond the uneven coverage of articles of musicological interest (sometimes very good, sometimes not, and sometimes non-extant) Mueller ponders the issues an open access encyclopedia means for academia. He notes that musicology tends to be written for and read by other musicologists. Wikipedia presents an opportunity to broaden the audience to understand and learn what musicology is and what musicologists do. His concluding statement: "...[Wikipedia's] presence invites us to think differently about the way musicological knowledge operates in the wider world. Wikipedia offers a chance to reimagine, collectively." - kosboot (talk) 15:26, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

@Kosboot: This looks very interesting. Thanks for the heads up. Did you mean that Darren Mueller is a Wikiapedian, or that the review is about Wikipedia? In any case, I tracked his email down and I'd bet I can get a copy of the paper. Is there a way for our readers to find a free copy? Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:49, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
@Smallbones: I meant that the review is about Wikipedia. Members of the society can get a copy of the article immediately. It'll eventually be up on JSTOR. You might want to ask the Society whether they might offer that article as open access since it will be of great interest to many in the Wikimedia community. - kosboot (talk) 22:31, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
@Kosboot: Thanks, I've sent off an email to Mueller. I'll see what he says and try to get something in the next issue. I can't say what until I actually see the article of course. Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:05, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
@Kosboot: I've got a copy now, thanks. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:20, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Adam Moriarty from Auckland Museum blogs about working with wikipediaEdit

©Geni (talk) 22:17, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

Great stuff - where's the *best* place to use it? It deserves better than just a paragraph in "In the media". I'd like to include the video. Does anybody know which photo gets 250,000 pageviews per month? Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:32, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

m:Requests for comment/Do something about azwikiEdit

There is a proposal to remove all sysops on Azerbaijani Wikipedia. However, as I proposed it, maybe I should not comment on it further. --Rschen7754 04:10, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Probably in Discussion report. Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:36, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
I actually started a draft about this in my User:GreenMeansGo/sandbox, just to see what I would come up with if I tried to write about it. I figured I would stew on it a couple days, and I haven't figured out how to end it. But I'm more than open to the idea if someone else wants to try to collaborate on it. GMGtalk 14:14, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
I've finally gone over this and am pleasantly surprised. I thought it would be a total mess to explain, and you start out (and continue saying) approx. "this is a total mess to explain." It seems to work. It also strikes me that you don't take sides, even though it might be seen as criticizing everyone. Then there is the question of combining humor in an opinion piece partially about genocide. Again it seems to work - you are not making fun of dead people, only about how people have reacted to it.
Have there been any developments since May 11? If not I'd go with ending #3.
I'd be very interested in others reactions. There's a fairly large chance that this could be taken to ANI or ArbCom, perhaps by both (or all) sides. I guess I'd need 100% support from the SP staff and especially by @GreenMeansGo:. Do you want to go ahead with this. FWIW, I'll predict that if it goes to arbcom that the decision will be that everybody who complains about the article is wrong, that somebody needs to talk about the situation. Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:57, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
I'll be at military training mostly stuck on mobile for the next three weeks. Anyone who is in the mood for coauthor credit feel free to find a way to end it and publish it. I'm afraid I won't have much time to work on much of anything. GMGtalk 20:47, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion by andrybak (2019-05-11)Edit

The Signpost should write about this RfC to change TfD page/process: Wikipedia talk:Templates for discussion#RfC: Proposal to make TfD more RM-like, as a clearinghouse of template discussions. —⁠andrybak (talk) 16:54, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

@Andrybak: Queued for the “follow-ups” section in next issue’s discussion report. Thank you for the suggestion! —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 17:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia Is Now Banned in China in All LanguagesEdit

From TIME. GMGtalk 13:49, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Well isn't this peachy. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:14, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Would Essay User:BU Rob13/AGF applies to everyone work?Edit

I tend not to like the Essay column. Either the essay is so old and accepted that everybody knows it already; or it is so new that it's likely not to be accepted. "AGF applies to everyone" is completely different and even newsworthy. It likely has some downside as well, so just checking on what other folks think.

Smallbones(smalltalk) 18:16, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Smallbones Seems like a good essay to use to freshen up the essay column. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 21:45, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
If you do publicize my essay, I would ask two things: First, that you make clear that I did not write it for the Signpost in an Editor's Note at the top. I am worried that, in the absence of such a note, my resignation will seem political. And second, that you do not present the essay as "leading to my resignation" or otherwise forming the majority of my rationale for resignation, since this is not the case. The essay documents the only portion of my rationale for resigning that I care to share, but that does not mean it represents my full rationale, or even a majority thereof. ~ Rob13Talk 03:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
@Smallbones: Making sure the above is seen, with the added note that I am somewhat disturbed by the current note written at the top of the essay page that you've constructed. My resignation had absolutely nothing to do with the administrator account security motion, and the note reads like one is editorializing otherwise. ~ Rob13Talk 21:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
@BU Rob13: I thought I was straightforward in saying that I didn't know the cause of your resignation and that others should be careful in their interpretations. Well that didn't work -sorry. Let me then put the simplest possible intro without saying anything to others about interpretation. Let's try:
"The essay was written by BU Rob13 as an essay in his user space on May 4. We selected it for our ongoing series of essays. It was not submitted to The Signpost by BU Rob13." – S
I don't want to put you in the position where some folks might say "he in effect did submit it to The Signpost" . It is our decision on whether to re-publish it. That said, I usually assume that somebody who writes an essay wants it to be publicized. Since it is in user space rather than WP space I may reconsider that. Please let me know if you object to it being re-published and if you have anything else you'd like to see added or subtracted from the editor's introduction. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:23, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
I personally did not expect that essay to become as public as it did, perhaps naively. I wrote it in a moment of frustration, and I still may yet delete it. If it was up to me, I would prefer it not to be reprinted in the Signpost, but at the same time, this project is based on free re-use of content, so that's really not 100% up to me. ~ Rob13Talk 23:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Understood. I'm glad that you understand the free re-use of material on Wikipedia. I'm reconsidering. Smallbones(smalltalk) 00:07, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I feel that as a courtesy to the author, we should not publish the essay. We shouldn't be publishing stuff when the author has made a good-faith request for us not to do so. —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 00:08, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I don't like this essay, if only because it speaks too much to BU Rob13's personal experience and not the idea that even longtime editors and admins ought to enjoy the benefit of the doubt, too. It could be edited to make it more generalized and perhaps point to other examples but right now, this is only one editors regrets. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

OK - it's out. Smallbones(smalltalk) 01:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

It's still referred to in the arbitration report: did you want it to remain there? isaacl (talk) 23:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
I don't care if it's referred to there. My soft objection was more to re-posting it, because it could give the impression my resignation was done to give me some type of platform, when that is not the case. ~ Rob13Talk 16:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Another "Gobbler of the month"Edit

This one is on the Detroit Tigers who requested that their fans vandalize Wikipedia. As usual this type of blurb deserves some careful review. Please see the bottom of Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Next issue/In the media. Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:02, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

If we need to run an essay...Edit

One of my favorites is Wikipedia:An unfinished house is a real problem. Ipatrol wrote it almost ten years ago and I think it deserves more eyeballs. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Late ITM Suggestion by Pythoncoder (2019-05-29)Edit (talk | contribs) 12:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Definitely include this; I was coming here to suggest it also. Journalists and other outsiders rarely understand how Wikipedia works. This essay is a mostly-accurate account of our "backstage" work to create and manage the encyclopedia. Complete with amusing animated graphics of edits being added, reverted, added again. -- MelanieN (talk) 16:15, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia and North FaceEdit

Wikipedia editors finding and fighting against clear promotional approach by North Face to gain Google SEO, as described by The Verge and Ad Age. --Masem (t) 16:41, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Also is there any evidence that the images actually made it to the top of Google Images? The placement is so minuscule that it feels like the point was the stunt (i.e., the video), not the actual Google Images results. czar 01:49, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

WikiJournals as a sister projectEdit

I'm not sure of the exact appropriate venue for this, but there is a sister project proposal that I think would be useful for the signpost-reading community to be aware of at meta:WikiJournal. I'm happy to write a short article about what's been going on in the project over the last couple of years (prev signpost articles on WikiJournals: 1 & 2. Also relevant: 1 & 2). However I don't want to cause any canvassing issues, so no worries if you prefer to write something independently, or just have a single-sentence note in one of the other sections. Let me know what you think is best. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 10:13, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

@Smallbones and Chris troutman: Could I check whether you would be interested in something along these lines? I've also made a short suggested post tailored to the Kurier, here but the systems for the Signpost are somewhat different. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 02:26, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
@Evolution and evolvability: I'm certainly interested in seeing a submission - perhaps 4 times as long as the Kurier piece, but the length is up to you. I've been talking with an author of a broader somewhat related piece and will likely hear from him tomorrow. I'll email you by Monday if I think there's some type of cooperation that might work. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:21, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
@Smallbones: Works for me. I'll start drafting something flexible at User:Evolution and evolvability/Signpost draft. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 02:49, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
@Evolution and evolvability: I did get a chance for a brief chat with him. He *may* contact you for some general input, but it looks like there's not much chance for cooperation this month. It does point out interest in the general topic, so I do look forward to your submission. Smallbones(smalltalk) 03:10, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
@Smallbones: No worries either way. What's the deadline for inclusion in the next issue? T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 03:54, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
@Evolution and evolvability: officially June 28, but there's likely going to be several submissions coming in at the last moment for this issue, so June 25 would be a lot better for me! Smallbones(smalltalk) 04:12, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion by Bri (2019-06-06)Edit

The Signpost should write about desysopping and blocking an active admin. Summary of situation provided by Kurtis follows. Bri.public (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2019 (UTC) Od Mishehu has repeatedly engaged in disruptive editing while logged out. The edits themselves were not egregiously harmful, consisting of nothing more than run-of-the-mill vandalism to articles, but it obviously does mean that he has lost trust. The technical and behavioral evidence is incontrovertible, as determined by multiple checkusers and arbitrators; there is no reasonable doubt that these acts of petty vandalism were committed by Od Mishehu himself. His private correspondence with members of the committee failed to adequately address the concerns raised. As a result of his inappropriate conduct, he has been desysopped, and is now indefinitely block by BU Rob13 acting in his capacity as checkuser.

Just so you're all aware, I've fixed my comment at the ACN talk page, striking out "articles" and adding "non-article pages". Kurtis (talk) 19:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Also: Nv8200p was effectively de-sysopped by Arbcom due to loss of account control. Now editing as Nv8200pa; neither account shows sysop privileges in List of administrators and near as I can tell they haven't requested restoration (WP:RETURN procedure). - Bri.public (talk) 19:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Fram blocked by Office for no reasonEdit

Fram was blocked by WMF Office and they provided this nonsense explanation. Certainly, if we had someone that could pin down facts about it, that would be a good item for the next issue. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:18, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Potential Gobbler of the monthEdit

In addition to the WMF for their inadequately explained office action above, I say someone else ought to be featured in our gobbler blurb. Journalist Sharyl Attkisson has announced on her website the beginning of the "The Wikipedia Correction Project (WCP)". On its face it sounds like any other old edit-a-thon geared towards correcting problems on Wikipedia, but it is actually a contest of sorts aimed at creating "Wikipedia-style page[s]" or "sections" that includes "information that is censored on Wikipedia" which will then likely be published "later this summer", presumably on As an example of submissions, the page lists two of these *ahem* alternative pages Attkisson has just published on her website: a bio of herself (which she says she created because her Wikipedia bio "has been skewed by agenda editors to present false and biased information on select topics in an attempt to controversialize the topics or me", no specifics given) and one on the polling center Rasmussen Reports. Attkisson's website says she is "a nonpartisan Investigative Journalist who tries to give you information others don’t want you to have".

For some background, Attkisson used to work for CBS News, winning some pretty important awards along the way, but left while fighting with the network over its coverage of how United States President Barack Obama and his administration handled the 2012 Benghazi attack. Her current Wikipedia bio includes media criticism which suggests she favors conservative media outlets. She also asserted that vaccines and autism have a link (a thesis which the scientific community has rejected), and currently works for the totally-not-all biased in-any-way Sinclair Broadcast Group. It seems she takes issue with these things. Late last month she took her grievances to Twitter. Her alternative bio is essentially a very dry read which includes little discussion of her actual work, mostly focusing on where she worked and for how long, her industry awards, and her personal life. Rasmussen Reports is an American polling company, which commonly takes polls on U.S. elections. Its Wikipedia article currently has a section entitled "Evaluations of accuracy and performance", which handles praise and criticism. The criticism section includes several comments from other journalists on the company's possible conservative bias and its failure to accurately predict the outcome of the 2018 U.S. Congressional "midterm" elections. The alternative article, apparently written by the company, includes a few paragraphs with what would probably count as promotional language on the supposed uniqueness of its questions and a direct challenge to its public criticism in what would be seen on Wikipedia as original research and argumentative essay-like material.

Atkisson has made allegations of "agenda editors who control certain pages and topics" on Wikipedia (source). She reiterates this on the WCP announcement page with a note at the bottom, which says "A nod to Wikipedia’s many terrific, hard working and well-meaning volunteer editors. They are simply outmatched, at times, by the powerful volunteer “agenda” editors often working on behalf of cloaked or paid interests." Of interest is this article on Wikipedia's "dark side", published by Full Measure, a website for the news show Atkisson hosts, which is syndicated by Sinclair. It is linked to on the WCP announcement page, as is an apparent link (which failed to open on my computer) where one can "Learn about a new online encyclopedia:". Atkisson lists a series of "rules" for the WCP, one of which is "I retain all rights to make edits or not publish submitted material at all." That very comment is actually what aroused my interest in this subject, and makes it all seem Gobbler worthy.

In conclusion, we have a prominent journalist—who's own reporting integrity is disputed—who claims that Wikipedia is often controlled by editors acting on an "agenda" in the favor of "cloaked or paid interests". She says this includes information being "censored" on Wikipedia. In return, she offers a pseudo-contest for alternatives, where she as an individual has final say over anything that is published (which just reeks of that transparency she so desperately sought from the U.S. government, no?). As examples of what a submission should look like she offers one article about herself which curiously excludes any and all things controversial about her (dare I say the word "censorship"?) and another which is an article about a company, written by that company (*cough* paid interest *cough*). And it all includes a little side plug to Everipedia, where you can literally pay to have your article protected. For her apparent lack of a sense of irony, I say we award Atkisson "Gobbler of the month". Turkey all around—I call the drumsticks. -Indy beetle (talk) 03:19, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikimania 2020 - BangkokEdit

Per meta:Talk:Wikimania 2020. ---Another Believer (Talk) 20:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

This should definitely be part of New & notes Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:09, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

List of Fram discussionsEdit

I discussed this offline with the E in C and will help creating a template for the next issue. Moving this list to Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/List of Fram discussions for inclusion by reference. ☆ Bri (talk) 20:48, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

ITM: The wisdom of polarized crowdsEdit

In Nature: "... the effect of ideological composition on team performance by analysing millions of edits to Wikipedia’s political, social issues and science articles... polarized teams consisting of a balanced set of ideologically diverse editors produce articles of a higher quality than homogeneous teams... Analysis of article ‘talk pages’ reveals that ideologically polarized teams engage in longer, more constructive, competitive and substantively focused but linguistically diverse debates than teams of ideological moderates." Chris Troutman (talk) 17:55, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

The preprint version of this paper was reviewed (by User:FULBERT) in Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2018-02-20/Recent_research. Regards, HaeB (talk) 15:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
My mistake. I checked back as far as March to see if we had; I didn't go to February to check. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
I always find the archives search function very useful (search for "polarized crowds" at Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Archives/Years or m:Research:Newsletter#Search the WRN archives).
BTW, it may still be worthwhile to mention the release of the published version, pointing back to the previous full review. Regards, HaeB (talk) 17:00, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Suggestion by Clovermoss (2019-06-20)Edit

I have a two suggestions for what the Signpost could write about:

  1. Wikipedia:Time Between Edits 900,000,000 edits was reached on June 2, 2019, which means there's only 100,000,000 before 1000 million edits. Even if that isn't interesting, this page is. There's statistics for the time between each block of 10,000,000 edits to Wikipedia since 2001 and the general data associated with that is incredibly interesting.
  2. Today's article for improvement WP:TAFI (which is actually a weekly article for improvement, but that's not reflected in the name anymore) Bookworm (insect). There's been amazing improvements to the article this week.

Clovermoss (talk) 16:43, 20 June 2019 (UTC)