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Bot that applied ShadowsCommons tagsEdit

I distinctly remember that several years ago a bot ran that automatically applied {{ShadowsCommons}} tags to Wikipedia files that had a non-identical file on Commons with the same name. Is it just a figment of my imagination, or did it actually exist? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

It was User:GreenC bot/Job 10 * Pppery * it has begun... 16:31, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
User:Jo-Jo Eumerus it was offline since May due to changes at WMF that disallowed cross database searches. As of November 8 it is up working again with a new solution (GitHub also updated). I'm not 100% confident it is finding everything it should, but it is getting some things example just not at the same rate before May. If you are aware of anything it might be missing, or other processes doing this, that would be helpful to know. -- GreenC 03:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Oh. See, my impression was that back then ShadowsCommons situations were far more common than they are now. I've seen that many of the files on Wikipedia:Database reports/Non-free files shadowing a Commons file didn't have a shadows commons tag so I was wondering if the bot was tagging these. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)


Hello, Bot group,

I rely on DumbBOT which updates the PROD lists but since September, the updating schedule has shifted several times. I have left inquiries about this on DumbBOT's talk page but today, after another updating change, I went to the user page of the bot operator, Tizio, and saw that he hasn't logged in for over a year. I don't want the bot disabled but it seems like it should have an active operator who still works on Wikipedia. In fact, I don't understand how the updating schedule keeps shifting if the bot operator has been absent so long! Any chance that someone else could take over as operator? Thanks for any assistance you can offer. Liz Read! Talk! 00:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz, not a member of BAG but I've sent them an email pointing them to this thread. Their user page says I rarely log in lately. In case of problems with the bot email me. so perhaps we'll get a reply. I agree that bot operators should be active, and would urge a RfC on adding this to policy   ~TheresNoTime (to explain!) 00:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
I seem to recall discussion about adding this to policy wayyyyyyy back in the past when I was on BAG (you know, when we had to use punch cards and snail-mail them to the WMF :P). Clearly it didn't happen! I entirely agree that bot operators should be responsive to concerns/bug reports/etc. I'm less sure about them being active in terms of some minimum edit requirement - as long as they respond to bot issues, that'd be good enough for me. (Which reminds me, I owe Liz a reply about the G13-warning task...) firefly ( t · c ) 08:39, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
It never occurred to me that the schedule of updates was important to some people. I sometimes do test runs, but other than this I haven't changed the times the bot runs. Except for the last couple of days, due to hardware maintenance; this may last some other time. Still, the bot is still working properly, and doesn't seem to me that updates were delayed that much. Tizio 09:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
We recently changed policy such that the operator needs to be available by talk page notification at a minimum. See this diff and instituting discussion. As for activity, I believe you're looking for this 2018 discussion, which I am not going to hunt down the specific change. Izno (talk) 17:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
I ended up activating email notifications, so that I will know when someone writes something to my talk page or the bot's.Tizio 14:38, 25 November 2021 (UTC)