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Edit filters (exclude namespaces)Edit

Hey there! :)

Can you help me with a regex line to exclude one or more namespaces from one filter if I've set that filter to work in all namespaces? If you want, I can give you a practical example where I would like to use that. Thank you in advance! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:37, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: oh sure, whichproject/filter id is it, and which ns's would you like to exclude? A case list will prob be better than a regex, but it depends. — xaosflux Talk 18:49, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Well, for example here to allow user talk pages. Maybe even user pages? Usually these two. The way we usually set up filters in SqWiki is to work in all namespaces because we have a lot of vandalism even on non mainspace pages. But user spaces need sometimes to be excluded from those as things are more lenient in those namespaces in certain aspects. So I would like to have that general knowledge because I might need it in different filters, the one above included. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: I excluded User/User talk for you in this change - you can add more ns #'s at the end of that expression if needed. To exclude only one namespace you could use a simpler condition. — xaosflux Talk 19:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't know you could edit those too. Thank you! Is the space before 2 needed or just a typo? Also, I'm guessing I can use that line with most of the other filters too no? - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:04, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: I can edit EF on every project as an abuse filter maintainer, but may only do it for transparent technical reasons or on request of someone who can already edit them. That space is not strictly necessary, but is good for readability - that argument says if the first item is equal to any of the array of the subsequent items (x, a,b,c,d,e,f) - so it is pretty easy to use for a namespace filter. 2=user, 3=user_talk. You can use that anywhere, if you want to ONLY match a collection of namespaces just take out the "not" operator (!). — xaosflux Talk 22:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

I see. Thank you then! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:12, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you think I'm a reasonable candidate for a temporary Edit filter helper? I wanted to see some of the private filters on EnWiki to get them for SqWiki/SqQuote (can't really remember which one exactly now) and I was reading about the policy and... But I saw you didn't have a lot of users with that privilege so I'm not sure. - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:59, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
I mean, I was only curious about filter 102 and 354 (looked the list again now). Not sure if I'll use any of them though. - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:15, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

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@Klein Muçi: 102 and 354 are mostly just very long lists of troublesome English phrases or words, 354 get a lot of FP's so it only "tags" edits as well. — xaosflux Talk 23:24, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Can you write me somewhere the overall syntax of 102? Of course, without the list of words. Maybe I use that in the future if we start having problems. For the moment being, we've had only 1 or 2 accounts we've had to block because of the names. And what does the filter do to these accounts by the way? It blocks them indefinitely after being created I guess? - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:33, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: I've imported it (disabled) as w:sq:Speciale:AbuseFilter/13. What it does is: if someone has a global account, but has never edited on a specific project - normally they get an account auto-created upon their first edit; this filter prevents that account from creating. — xaosflux Talk 00:48, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you a lot man! I'm seriously surprised by your energy and patience to deal with my (and others') requests all the time this fast and with this kind of dedication. Do users here get a special kind of system message for that? I'm not sure what to write at ours (since we use specific messages for each filter) because I don't really understand what exactly means to "prevent an account from being created" for the user having that account and wanting to edit with it. Is the user able to edit? - Klein Muçi (talk) 01:00, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: oops, confused that one with something else. That filter isn't about account creation, but it blocks any edits from someone that is both "new" and has a username matching those patterns. We only give them our generic deny message, MediaWiki:Abusefilter-disallowed here. — xaosflux Talk 01:53, 29 April 2020 (UT
So basically they are blocked indefinitely. Can you take a quick look even to filter 30 as a final request? What do you think are some lines I need to remove/localize for SqWiki? We just want a basic filter that starts working when the anti-blanking filter stops. We were fine with just that filter until we started seeing some vandalism behavior of removing big chunks of texts from articles without blanking the entire page so those cases failed to be filtered by that. - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:07, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Well they are not "blocked", they are just prevented from editing until the account age passes that other threshold. — xaosflux Talk 02:15, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
30 on sqwiki or here? — xaosflux Talk 02:15, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Ooh, I had missed that age detail. Thank you for clarifying! 30 on here. - Klein Muçi (talk) 03:58, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Only lines 7 & 8 may need looking at, as these are text matches against English words. You can try without these lines completely if you want to see what you will match. Keep in mind, we do not stop edits with this filter - only warn/tag. You can enable it, and set it to do nothign except for log, monitor it for a couple of weeks. — xaosflux Talk 16:46, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
What do those lines serve for? Just a general idea. And can you explain a bit more thoroughly how does line 6 help? I read the description at the filters notes but I want to be sure. - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:05, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
They are basically like this:
6: don't trigger this if the person making the edit has also recently edited the page already
7: don't trigger this if someone is making this page in to a redirect
8: don't trigger this if the summary says that it is a reversion/undo/etc
xaosflux Talk 03:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
How do I put "#Ridrejto" as another word for "#Redirect"? Together with it I mean. I just add a pipe between them? - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:18, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
With that formatting, and for a single word, you can just add another condition:
  • !("#ridrejto" in lcase(added_lines)) &
To support an array of words you'd have to do something like line 8. — xaosflux Talk 10:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Any chance you could help me have it like line 8? :P Just as a beatifying aspect. If you think it's better in different lines, I'll take your word for it. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:23, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
AF's, especially "tag" type need to be very carefully tweaked on most projects, and any condition not needed shouldn't be used for performance reasons. A good first start would be to set it up for logging on the project you want, then do nothing for a couple of weeks, review the logs at least daily to make sure you are not getting "too many" hits - then adjust for only things that are actually happening. — xaosflux Talk 14:26, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Okay then. As always, thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey there, Xaos! :) Is it possible to exclude one particular user from a filter? - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:46, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: usually, but it is almost always a very poor design and a group is better. Something like this can usually be used:
& ! (contains_any(user_name, "User1", "User2"))
xaosflux Talk 02:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I added 1 bracket you had missed. Thank you! I just wanted to give special access to 1 bot so he could deal with the double redirects. I believe everything is fine now. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
In general, you should exempt "bots" by group from most filters, assuming you don't just had out bot flags left and right they are already expected to only be making constructive edits. — xaosflux Talk 14:38, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh, can't believe I had totally forgotten of that! Bots exist as 1 user group! Thank you very much! I'll do that right now! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:15, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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sir, pls approved my accountEdit

sir, pls approved my account Pkschhonkar (talk) 18:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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This will be referring to their request at WP:PERM/EVC (and my talk page). I've asked for a reason which appears to not be forthcoming but instead some admin shopping is taking place. stwalkerster (talk) 18:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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Help Me Please :-SEdit

I moved the template over to a talk page as it said, but I am really lost as to what steps need to be done to start getting the mailing list created and the content for it. The shell was moved to Talk:Mass_message_senders/Shell-0066 which may not even be right. Can you help or point to a step-by-step guide for me, please? Thank you Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 22:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Galendalia: I moved that shell again to a more appropriate name, Wikipedia:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia/Participants/MailingList. You will need to fill it with the talk pages of the people you want the messages to go to. Wikipedia:Mass_message_senders#Requesting_a_mailing has some directions. If you are lost and want to ask for help you can post at WT:MMS. — xaosflux Talk 23:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
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Requesting Revision DeletionEdit

Hi,

I'm requesting that you rev-delete a diff, which in particular uses a racial slur: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BasedMoment&diff=959796343&oldid=959733649. (For some reason IRC isn't working for me because it says I am banned despite rarely using it). Hummerrocket (talk) 17:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hummerrocket:  Donexaosflux Talk 21:08, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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Template:Inactive adminEdit

FWIW, I don't believe this template is transcluded on the bot config page or moved there by any automated process. We've always had to update the bot page manually as a separate step in the past. Based on this, I am not certain whether indefinite page protection is warranted. UninvitedCompany 21:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@UninvitedCompany: it didn't used to be, but that bot had to be replaced and now it looks like it is called directly from the bot config (User:JJMC89 bot/config/InactiveAdmins). Gave it SPP to prevent causal disruption, as the bot wouldn't be checking to see if it was vandalized. — xaosflux Talk 01:04, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-23Edit

22:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

CentNotice/Geonotice...?Edit

Howdy hello! I know you are very familiar with watchlist notices, but was wondering if you were experienced with centralnotices/geonotices/whatever they call the banner things that appear at the top of pages. I was looking to propose one on WP:VPR for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Black Lives Matter/June 2020 BLM article improvement drive, but I wanted to have my terminology and technical aspects correct first. Any advice appreciated! CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 21:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

@CaptainEek: there are many places a top of page banner could be placed, most are never used. Which one depends mostly on where you want it to appear, and who you want to be able to see it. {{MW notices}} describes these a bit. We also have {{Main Page banner}}. Please review the discussion at MediaWiki_talk:Watchlist-messages#BLM_drive_mockups before starting a new one as well. — xaosflux Talk 11:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Unreferenced new article - FilterEdit

Hello, Xaosflux!

I was thinking of adding a new filter at SqWiki that stops new users from creating new articles without references. We have a serious problem with new articles that are written (not translated with CTT) without any references. So I thought of a filter that searches for the <ref> tags and if they're not present, it doesn't allow you to save your changes. This could raise the overall standard of articles being created but it also may drastically low the overall number of new articles depending on how informed are new users on the technical side of adding references. So basically I'd thought I'd experiment a little with it first. Having it log only for a while and maybe just making it a warning filter rather than a stopping one after that period. Do you have any experience with cases like these? It's the approach I described above the best one for the said job? Can you help me a bit to create the syntax?

Best regards! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:33, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: we would never make a stopping filter based on that type of syntax here, do you have a policy on sqwiki that the only way an article can be referenced is with <ref> tags? You would also need to exempt redirects. We deal with new article review via our WP:NPP (new page patrol) process. — xaosflux Talk 11:04, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, the NPP is exactly the problem. :P We are always lacking human resources and the general idea was to "weed out" articles not up to the standard of inclusion in Wikipedia. Usually notability or articles lacking a wikified form, self promotion, copyright infringement, or other forms of spam. So we could actually be able to patrol the remaining ones. I'm aware this is not a failproof method because as I said, not many new users would know about the <ref> tags but I thought I would keep it on log only for a while to see if it would be helpful on that problem or counterproductive. As for the policy, we have a de facto policy about that. What I mean is that we don't have a policy specifying how referencing should or should not be done but the guideline on it only gives this as an option and that also is the standard all the community teaches online and IRL on newcomers to use. Then again, I should make myself clear that ref tags are not the real intent here. Nor are the references on articles themselves. The aim is to somehow filter out the kind of articles I mentioned above and we thought the inclusion of references would be a good criterion on which we can judge on that. But given the many hypothetical drawbacks that we both mentioned, I thought seeing it on log only would be a good idea. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
It should be fairly easy to write a filter that only looks at ns:0, for a new page, where the first edit doesn't contain the ref text - but I think this is a bad idea. I'm not sure about sqwiki, but many editors save their new articles many times as they build them up. If I create a new article, hit save, then add the references, hit save - that is fine here:but you are talking about refusing that initial contribution, which could discourage new editors. You should have a well attended community discussion to make sure that is what you really want first. — xaosflux Talk 14:23, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Our filters 833 and 686 are public, and include some ways to go about this (though we would never set these to disallow). — xaosflux Talk 14:26, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that's exactly my main worry too. References are usually the last thing that are added, after the whole article has been created. And that takes rarely only 1 save. I did talk with some people from our community because I had these second thoughts and they too were worried about the same things, the discouragement of new users, even though they said that the general intention was good. It's hard to gather a well attained meeting with our community and that's why I asked here to get a more technical comment. With your comment now, I'm further discouraged to go on with that idea. I'll take a look at the filters you mentioned anyway and most likely won't go past the log only phase. If I even go at that phase. - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:29, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
If you have new page patrol resources, setting these to 'tag' or 'log' isn't necessarily a bad thing, it is transparent to the new editors. — xaosflux Talk 17:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-24Edit

21:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

2fa helpEdit

Hi, this is Spartaz and I have accidentally logged out while my mobile has died, so I cannot access my authenticator. I have the scratch codes but its nor clear how I use them. Do I just use them instead of the authenticator code? I have email enabled if you want to verify my identity hidden ip]]) 22:31, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

scratch that, turned out i was using an old set of codes. I'm back in now. Sorry to bother you. Spartaz Humbug! 22:44, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

SeamfixEdit

Greetings, I tried to create Seamfix but I realized it had been created by someone else and later deleted by an admin for advertising or promotion. I wasn't the original creator but I have better information, text and reliable sources to re-create it. Can you help me get it back? Advise me please, thank you MarkCarey911 (talk) 01:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@MarkCarey911: hello, yes that article has been deleted twice - each time for not meeting the community standards, and instead being a fairly obvious advertisement. At this point, if you think this is actually a noteworthy subject I suggest you use the Wikipedia:Article_wizard that can help you get started with drafting the article. Best wishes, — xaosflux Talk 01:38, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: thank you so much, I'll do as you suggested. MarkCarey911 (talk) 16:10, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding date field to the queryEdit

Please visit this page. In that, I would like to know how I can add the date of creation of the template (if possible, in normal date format ie. after converting into date format). Adithyak1997 (talk) 05:27, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

@Adithyak1997: please follow up at Wikipedia:Request a query. — xaosflux Talk 11:15, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

HelloEdit

Hello Xaosflux, how are you? I would like to clarify a doubt and I believe that nothing better than asking a bureaucrat from en.wikipédia. There at pt.wikipedia, my home wiki, rollbacks group users can block vandals for up to a maximum of 1 day, with the purpose of helping to combat vandalism. I would like to know if it has already been discussed about it here on en.wikipédia. Thanks in advance. --Editor D.S (talk) 18:19, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

@Editor D.S: to your question directly, giving more people "block" access has come up many times, see Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals#Hierarchical_structures. As to the actual implementation at ptwiki (c.f. phab:T37261) there appear to be no technical controls limiting blocks to "1 day" - or even preventing them going on a blocking spree and disrupting your sysops and crats, or making massively disruptive ip range blocks - so this is just a local policy/rule. We are fairly liberal in handing out rollback access, with 6,300 rollbackers here, compared to the 171 on ptwiki - so I don't expect this would ever happen here, as it would raise the requirements for our rollbackers and require a review of the thousands of existing ones. If such a proposal were to go forward it would likely be with some new unique group that was granted selected permissions - but as the recaps in the first link show, this has been frequently resited. Hope that helps explain things? — xaosflux Talk 19:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
@Xaosflux:, I understand perfectly. It would really be more complicated to implement this permission on en.wikipedia, due to the number of rollbackers. Not to mention that the requirements to join such a group would be bigger, as it happens in pt.wikipedia. Thank you very much for the clarification. A great weekend for you! :) --Editor D.S (talk) 19:25, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-25Edit

21:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

MediaWiki Gadget-formWizard edit requestEdit

If you have time, would you be able to assist with the request here: MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-formWizard/WikiProject_Organized_Labour/Join, please? (I'm approaching you as it's been a week since the request and other fully-protected requests have been answered in that time, not sure why this one has lagged...). Many thanks, --Goldsztajn (talk) 19:58, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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Work for ReviewEdit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Patricia_(Financial_Technology_Company) Please, I created this and I need your help with the reviews. Thank you so much for you have taught me on wikipedia. MarkCarey911 (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Looks like another reviewer already came by. — xaosflux Talk 01:51, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-26Edit

18:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Test-wiki translation adminshipEdit

Hi. Can you please revoke my translation admin rights on testwiki? Convenience link: testwiki:Special:UserRights/DannyS712. Thanks, --DannyS712 (talk) 04:33, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

 Donexaosflux Talk 04:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

RonhjonesEdit

I just saw that Ronhjones and his bot were up for inactivity removal last month & that you removed the sysop flags from both. The day after you removed the flag, it was discovered by the community that on the day of his last edit he and his wife died in a house fire. I just learned of this myself within the past hour. I thought that you might want to know...unfortunately, he won't be making use of the 'Restoration of adminship" procedure. I had hoped his absence meant that he had just retired from editing...honestly really strikes home at the sad and uncomfortable reality that at least some of the users who inexplicably become inactive may very well have died and we simply may never know. --TheSandDoctor Talk 06:38, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

(TPS) @TheSandDoctor: Yes, Xaosflux helped deal with things relating to the bot account. It's very sad indeed. Graham87 07:58, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
@Graham87: Gah...I should've looked at the full archive. I just looked at the permissions log permalink. Thanks for linking. --TheSandDoctor Talk 08:28, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

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16:31, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2020-28Edit

20:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

re: event coordinationEdit

Thanks, I will keep this in mind. This was a bit unusual as it was done due to sudden trolling/harassment which required some elevated permissions to prevent other new editors in the area from being affected. The course has ended, however, so they don't need those permissions one way or another anymore. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:33, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Templates missing documentation - SqWikiEdit

Hello, Xaosflux! :) Long time without writing. I need help with a technical task.

We have LOTS of undocumented templates and modules in SqWiki. I want to make the documentation infrastructure a bit stronger so I started by creating a category for templates missing documentation. And for the moment being, I'm browsing templates one by one manually and if I see they are missing a documentation subpage, I add them in that category. Now I thought that maybe it would be better to do this job with a template on its own but I'm having technical difficulties creating one that serves that purpose. The idea is to create a template that can be used on other templates (without messing with the pages on which these templates are used) which notifies users that the said template is missing a doc page and in the same time it auto-categorizes that template in the category I mentioned above while also giving the user the capability to add a doc subpage to it. Does it make sense to you what I wrote? Can this be done? Do you have any other better ideas of how to handle the overall missing-doc-subpages situation? - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:26, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

So not all "templates" probably even should have a dedicated documentation page - especially ones that are pure content (e.g. a chart that is used on a few articles). What we do here is have one template {{documentation}} that we put on any template that we want to use the "/doc" style documentation, this uses our Module:Documentation to manage the doc pages. This will add the links to the pages that should be created, but it doesn't have anything to do with categories when no page exists, we are set up to categorize actually created /doc pages though. So a lot of this is really about what you want to do - do you really want to require all your editors to always use a /doc page? — xaosflux Talk 15:42, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, I understand what you mean. My idea was to create a place where we could gather different templates in need of attention (the category) and hopefully other users would come and see that batch of templates and help by writing the doc subpages in some of them. Alternatively, I could just use the {{documentation}} on all of them and hope for the best, like in the above case but the problem with that method is that I wouldn't have the template cluster which I mentioned above. I'm not really eager to leave that detail because of the way we usually handle cases like this. Like in EnWiki, we put them in the community portal and that's the place where people can go and find work. Now if that module could somehow categorize pages missing a doc page, maybe after adding the {{documentation}} template, that would be a better solution but I don't think that's possible, is it? - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: having the page 'exist' likely isn't going to mean "this template has been sufficiently documented" - so you may be better off tagging pages that you need documented and making someone clear that when it is ready. Be careful with your noincludes :D — xaosflux Talk 19:12, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was thinking. I was even able to make the needed template for it by experimenting a bit. Thank you for finding time to deal with my requests! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
So, I did make the template as I said and it works fine overall but I have one final problem with it. Since it is a template that's used on other templates, it gets transcluded everywhere those templates are transcluded to. I can add <noinclude> tags on it and the problem is solved but I don't want to do that all the time so I thought of making those tags part of the template itself but how do I escape the first level of software reading so they only start to have effect after they're transcluded? I'm afraid my explanation isn't clear enough so I'll try to give an example below.
Template A is a template without a doc subpage used on 1k articles. I created template B which, when put on template A, notifies users that template A is missing a doc page and has a ready-made link in which they can click and create the missing doc subpage for it. It also categorizes template A in a category for templates missing documentation. The problem is that now template B gets transcluded not only on template A but also on 1k articles on which template A is also transcluded. It also categorizes the 1k articles on the category for templates missing documentation. We surely don't want that to happen. I can use <noinclude> tags on template B when using it on template A and the problem would be solved but that would require me to write <noinclude>{{B}}</noinclude> over and over again for every template which it is used on. I want the <noinclude> tags to be part of template B themselves so I don't have to write them over and over again. (So I can only write {{B}} and that would be enough.) But if I just write them on template B, they take effect immediately and the whole template B stops being transcluded on template A. I want them to take effect only after being transcluded on template A so that template B doesn't get transcluded on 1k articles template A is transcluded on. How do I do that? How do I escape "the first level"? In short, how do I transclude <noinclude> tags?
I thought using <includeonly> <noinclude> </includeonly> .... <includeonly> </noinclude> </includeonly> would work but apparently it doesn't. Any other way? - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Are you trying to make a visible notice where the content template is used that it needs work, or only if someone looks at the template itself? — xaosflux Talk 11:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Only if someone looks at the template page itself. I have everything ready here. The template makes the visible notice, adds a link to add a /doc page and auto-categorizes the template on which it is put on. I just want it not to be transcluded on together with the templates in which it is used on. In other words, I just want to know how to transclude <noinclude> tags. The technical way of escaping them. Because what I used didn't work and it broke the syntax. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:47, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Is that the template you want to put on other templates? — xaosflux Talk 12:27, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes. I mean, I may do some other changes graphically to make it more aesthetic but the technical side is done. But if I use that template as it is in other templates, it gets transcluded together with them wherever they are transcluded. I don't want that to happen. So the <noinclude> tags problem I mentioned above. - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:41, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Ok so on your main/content templates, in general all of your documentation should be wrapped in noincludes:
Native / legacy style

<noinclude> Here is my documenation on this template.... </noinclude>

direct /doc style

<noinclude> {{/doc}} </nowinclude>

using a module/master wrapper style style

<noinclude> {{documentation}} </nowinclude>

xaosflux Talk 17:32, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm really sorry but I believe you haven't understood what I meant, mostly because of me lacking technical terminology to express myself correctly. :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:11, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, in general you probably shouldn't be asking your readers to write template documentation - so that shouldn't be visible when looking at a page that merely transcludes the template. — xaosflux Talk 19:36, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes. You're right on this one. That's exactly what I don't want to do. How do I do that without needing to write "noinclude" tags every time I'm using that template? I want to incorporate them to be part of the template themselves so they get transcluded automatically without needing to write them over and over again. That's what I'm asking. To understand what I mean, please, take a look here. (Just an example I stumbled upon. Don't pay attention to the extension on itself.)

...BoilerRoom is different in its approach from similar extensions in that it was designed to allow the creation of boilerplate text without any need for text escaping. It deliberately does not respect <includeonly>, <onlyinclude>, and <noinclude> tags, instead providing its own mechanism through the special behavior of the provided <boilerplate> tag. This behavior simplifies certain situations, such as creating boilerplates for templates, where unusual escape mechanisms like <include<includeonly>only> would be necessary to achieve the same effect. Other <boilerplate> tags can be even placed inside without any need for an escape mechanism.

That unusual escape mechanism is what I'm talking about. How do I do that with "noinclude" tags? - Klein Muçi (talk) 01:06, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: basically, you don't. Your templates are all going to need to end with a noinclude section for your documenation or other things like their categories. Even ours are when we use module powered documentation (see example here). Could you do something else with extensions, even with gadgets or javascripts - yes, but on WMF projects it is likely a bad idea as editors from every project that doesn't use something very custom would either break things on your project, or would face an unexpected barrier to being able to help with things. — xaosflux Talk 02:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
And don't even get me started on how visualeditor would deal with oddities! — xaosflux Talk 02:29, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
Okay then. Roger that. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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AngolaEdit

Why did you take away my right to make contributions and edits on the Angola page?

El C changed my user rights so I can add information to the Angola page. However, now I can’t do it because you changed my user rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DiogoC300 (talkcontribs) 19:17, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@DiogoC300: Hello, I removed the "confirmed" flag from your account as you now have the superior "autoconfirmed" flag. I don't know what the "Angola website" is. If you are referring to our encyclopedia article Angola the protection level on that page is already set to "Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access". Try to log out and back in again to see if it resolves your issue? If that does not work, please let me know the exact error message you are seeing for follow up. — xaosflux Talk 19:23, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Now it works, thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DiogoC300 (talkcontribs) 14:24, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Good news! Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 15:03, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-29Edit

16:30, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Clarification please...Edit

If I am reading the logs correctly you agreed to rename a departed user's ID to Renamed user U1krw4txwPvuEp3lqV382vOcqa7. If I am reading the logs correctly you agreed to delete both this contributor's User page and User talk page.

Two wrongs don't make a right. I don't think any contributor should experience off-wiki harassment, even if they lapsed from civility and collegiality, here on the wikipedia.

I don't think anyone who felt any contributor had been a serial bully, or otherwise lapsed from our policies should feel justified to bully them, when the tables are turned. I am not trying to gravedance here.

But I would like to know whether this retirement was voluntary, with them leaving in good status.

It is unclear to me whether the block log would show the original user-id's block log, following a courtesy rename. Was this contributor ever blocked? Are they under an indefinite block now?

They stopped using their original wiki-ID for about a year, about eight years ago. It turned out they couldn't stay away.

A lot of people find it hard to stay away. My understanding of our renaming policy is that it is a courtesy intended for good faith contributors who are genuinely leaving the project. It is my understanding that if those who requested a rename can't stay away, return to the wikipedia, are not generally protected from being asked to answer for their edits made using their original ID.

If I have that right do you think there are special circumstances here, that would protect this individual from being asked questions about edits they made prior to their renaming, if someone were to recognize them after a return to the wikipedia under a new ID? Geo Swan (talk) 21:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello @Geo Swan:, so there are a few thing going on here - will try to answer all your points
  • Yes, I did rename that account on request of the account holder, I won't link to the logs but they exist publicly and do contain the prior username.
    • This is a fairly routine action for someone that wants to leave the project and stop contributing under any account (c.f. WP:VANISH)
    • Logs associated with that account still are, under the "renamed user..." account name.
    • Renames are a global action, and governed beyond the English Wikipedia policies
      • Notably, that account has no prior or current blocks
      • To the best of my knowledge this editor was in good standing here
  • Yes, I deleted their userpage; this is a fairly routine action that anyone may request as WP:CSD#U1
  • Yes, I deleted their user talk page; this is not a routine action - the Oversight team was involved in this so I can't really discuss it - appealing this action of mine should either go privately to the OS team or privately to ArbCom. Unfortunately, I didn't use a good log summary on that page deletion (it was part of a batch of other U1's) to explain this, but we can't edit log summaries to fix that.
  • About vanished users that return - our Clean start policy covers much of your question.
  • The Harassment policy is quite long, but as you mentioned harassment I wanted to refer you to it; it is best to avoid anything that may be consider harassing.
  • Getting down to what you may have been looking for the most here seems to be the ask if you can/should ask an editor "did you previously edit as user:zzzzzzzzzzz" - I suggest not doing so because it is unlikely to improve the encyclopedia. If you think this person has returned under another account and is behaving in a way that is fishy - emailing the functionary team would be a good start. If they do something like run an RfA, etc - asking them "have you edited under any other accounts" generically is generally OK.
I hope I addressed your concerns here - if not please let me know. — xaosflux Talk 22:35, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-30Edit

19:05, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit deletionEdit

Hey. I made an edit in my sandbox as part of the BFRA (Special:Permalink/96894866) which appears to be deleted. Just wondering so I don't make the same mistake again, did I err in the bot policy with that edit? I assumed sandbox/self userspace edits were permissible. Possibly an attribution error too, I suppose, since I forgot to have it add an edit summary in that edit. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:35, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@ProcrastinatingReader: that perma link seems wrong, I can look for the edit for you - what is the page title of the page it was made on? — xaosflux Talk 14:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, that permalink is indeed wrong apparently, it was actually Special:Permalink/968948661 (at User:ProcrastinatingReader/sandbox3) which is intact. I don't know what I did to get from 61 -> 66 at the end. Thanks, and sorry for the confusion. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Move from WT:BNEdit

Thanks for the move. Apologies for the error, I had both pages open at same time and didn't check which one I was posting in. :) -- Euryalus (talk) 14:23, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-31Edit

13:53, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

166.182.80.8Edit

Could we please have user:166.182.80.8 blocked ASAP. She probably will vandalize until she is blocked. CLCStudent (talk) 13:12, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

@CLCStudent:  Done - next time reporting to WP:AIV will probably be better though. — xaosflux Talk 13:14, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I did that, but it was taking long, and this troll was likely to be persistent. CLCStudent (talk) 13:15, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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Template:Video viewsEdit

Hi, @Xaosflux:, hope you are fine. I'm here to seek your assistance in creating a template. I want to create a template titled "Template:Video views". And I want its documentation as follows:

{{Video views|No. of views|Website|Date}}.

Example:

{{Video views|100 million|YouTube|01 August 2020}}

It should be shown as: The video has received 100 million views on YouTube as of 01 August 2020.

I'm practicing this in my sandbox. Can you help me? Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 10:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Empire AS: you should start by looking over: Help:Template#Usage_syntax. Note, while positional template parameters are supported, your template would likely benefit from using named parameters if it is something other will also use (especially in articles). Side note, you should update your signature to remove the space between "User talk:" and "Empire AS". — xaosflux Talk 11:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
@Xaosflux:, I really don't understand the complexities in making a template, especially parameters. Therefore, I want your help. About signature, do you suggest me this signature.Empire ASTalk!. Thank you. Empire AS Talk! 12:22, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
@Empire AS: in this part of your signature: [[User talk: Empire AS|<span st <- remove the space in the first highlighted area, and change the 2 spaces in the second area to one.
Regarding templates, they are comprised of two parts, one page that houses the actual template, this includes the static parts, markup, and the places you will insert parameters. I've made one of these for you at: User:Empire AS/sandbox 3. Then you have to actually call the template from somewhere else, I've made an example page for you here: User:Empire AS/sandbox 4. These can get a lot more complicated, and you will want to read all the documentation if you want to do something fancy. — xaosflux Talk 14:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
@Xaosflux:, Thank you. I've corrected my signature. I also want that if all parameters are not filled, then it wouldn't display and should be empty. If only first parameter is filled (like views=100M) then The video has received 100M views, Just this text be shown up. I can't read time taking templates documentations. I've no problem if you are busy on other projects. Thank you. Tears. Empire AS Talk! 16:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
You would need to use IF's - but part of template design will be determining which parameters should be required and which should be optional. For something like this that seems like it would be for use in articles, you will want to go by the manual of style for what should be included, especially related to where you intend the references to go. — xaosflux Talk 16:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
@Xaosflux:, I've nearly completed the template but the only problem left is that it requires the names of parameters before the values. I want to remove that in this way that without typing parameter names, it should work the same. See it here on my sandbox. Can you fix it? Tears. Empire AS Talk! 15:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Empire AS: check now, is that what you were going for? — xaosflux Talk 16:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

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