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A barnstar for you!Edit

Vitruvian Barnstar Hires.png The Technical Barnstar
This for your hardworks on enhancing Wikipedia through technical works such as programming, bot building and approving, Village pump, etc. I appreciate your selfless service to the encyclopedia. You are a typical metapedian of our wiki. Thanks for helping others in technical area. Thank you for taking the time for this. Thank you! PATH SLOPU 07:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

Administrator Barnstar Hires.png The Admin's Barnstar
I think you deserve a barnstar for Special:Redirect/logid/100058795. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

Barnstar of Diligence Hires.png The Barnstar of Diligence
I was going back through several bot-related discussions, some heated up, some less-so, and it struck me just how consistently reasonable, thoughtful, and well-articulated you were, as an editor, as a BAG member, and as a 'crat.

So here's a barnstar for that, because quality deserves recognition. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 19:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Inactive adminsEdit

Hi, Xaosflux,

I just noticed that you removed sysop status from some inactive admins. I was just looking at some accounts and came across User:Melchoir who doesn't seem to have done any edits or logged actions in over a year. Did s/he slip through the cracks? I'd love for any inactive admins to come back and be active but I wondered about this admin after looking at their activity. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 15:55, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

(tpw) Can't figure this one out... I've left the first note for them. Thank you Liz. –xenotalk 16:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi @Xeno and Liz: Melchoir has a logged action from Octoboer 2018. — xaosflux Talk 17:23, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Ah, doesn't show up in the default "logs" found in the sidebar. Didn't realize thanks counted as activity! –xenotalk 17:30, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
@Xeno: I don't personally think it should, and the policy reads "neither edits nor administrative actions" so I don't think that a "thanks" or a "patrol" would be considered an "administrative action" - but the last time this came up there was decent argument that "any" edit or logged action, even if not publicly available should count to belay inactivity. I'm also in the camp that our inactivity policy is too lax though, but I've accepted that the arguments at the time supported that process. — xaosflux Talk 17:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
In fact, the message you left them (templated) even said "any edits or logged actions". — xaosflux Talk 17:38, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
I can't believe a "Thanks" counts as much as an edit or admin action! That seems absurd. But I know you guys follow the guidelines, you don't write them so I'll just file this one as "an example to bring up at the next RfC". Thanks for figuring this one out. Liz Read! Talk! 04:04, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
@Liz: yea its a real edge case for sure, there is a 'resysoping' RfC starting up now - I'd probably wait for that to complete before trying to re-discuss "admin activity requirements" in a new RfC - but if the first one passes it could be a good follow up. — xaosflux Talk 04:30, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Cincinnati landmark designationEdit

Hi Xaosflux - I wrote the inputs necessary for template:designation. Would you be able to edit it to implement them? I tested it here and it looks good, works well. I have the code to be added, listed out here. Thank you -ɱ (talk) 16:02, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@: I can't where I am right now, would you please add or reactivate an edit request on the associated talk page to get it in the queue? — xaosflux Talk 17:28, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay, no problem. As soon as you can, that would be very nice, really appreciated. I reactivated the request. ɱ (talk) 20:27, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Hi - I really don't think anyone's active enough or has the user right to help me on that page, besides you. Could you help me with those brief edits I laid out? Thank you ɱ (talk) 14:08, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah - mine's the one right at the top. ɱ (talk) 14:11, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@: yea, sorry saw that right after. OK, so I'm a bit confused on your edit request at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Historic_sites#edittemplateprotected. How many different pages do you need a change to be made on? For each of them, is there a sandboxed version ready to "go-live"? — xaosflux Talk 14:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah adding the designation requires adding bits of code to five separate pages, listed in the request. I have tested it all on sandboxes; the result from those sandboxes is what you can see here: Template:Designation/Supported designations/State. Thanks ɱ (talk) 14:41, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
OK, see my special note there. — xaosflux Talk 15:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

What's broken?Edit

Hi SilkTork, noticed you had to do this - can you elaborate on what is broken, as it must be broken for everyone else then? — xaosflux Talk 16:03, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I can't see the editnotice (Group notice / Page notice) on article space anymore. I wondered if it was me. I found it useful to put in language notices in the page notice, such as at Beer: [1], but now if I go to articles I can't edit page notice anymore - the link is no longer there (unless there is already a page notice, as there is with Beer). See [2], etc. SilkTork (talk) 16:12, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@SilkTork: hmm - did adding that group actually fix it? (It really shouldn't). Which skin are you using? — xaosflux Talk 17:26, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Does this link to testwiki show the pagenotice redlink? — xaosflux Talk 17:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Also, are you using the source editor or visual editor? — xaosflux Talk 17:38, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

The testwiki makes no difference for me. I am using MonoBook. I don't use visual editor. Is it just me then? I am wondering if it's something I added to [3]. SilkTork (talk) 18:19, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@SilkTork: you may have some script collisions going on for sure. Could you try turning off meta:User:SilkTork/global.js and then trying the testwiki link again? — xaosflux Talk 18:24, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I emptied meta:User:SilkTork/global.js and the testwiki still doesn't show me the page notice. SilkTork (talk) 18:44, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I've changed browser, changed skin, and emptied User:SilkTork/common.css of the last few changes. Nothing worked. Not even a combination of all those things. So I have restored everything.

You still have the page notice when you go to Wine? SilkTork (talk) 19:03, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@SilkTork: I'm getting a bit lost on why you are broken! To be sure we are on the same page, you are referring to what would currently be a red link targeting Page notice while editing Wine correct? I do see that. It is normally hidden, but unhidden based on .css in MediaWiki:Group-sysop.css (and also unhidden for certain other groups). You're not blocking certain .css's are by chance? — xaosflux Talk 19:06, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
We are on the same page. So, how would I be blocking certain .css's? Where should I start looking for that? SilkTork (talk) 21:34, 6 August 2019 (UTC) I see the link on your page, and on articles where there is already a page notice, but not on articles which don't already have a page notice, so this is selective. SilkTork (talk) 21:37, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
@SilkTork: if you go to the page and click edit, then view the compiled page source in your browser, do you see any lines including "editnotice-link" ? — xaosflux Talk 21:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
If I understand you. I go to Wine. Click edit. Then - in Chrome - I right click on the page and select View page source. And then do a search for "editnotice". I have done that, and "editnotice" wasn't found. I then looked just for "notice", and found 14 instances, including "HideFundraisingNotice". I'm not sure which script does that one. I'll roll back all scripts in SilkTork/common.css, SilkTork/common.js, SilkTork/monobook.css, SilkTork/monobook.js, and SilkTork/vector.js to see if that changes anything. SilkTork (talk) 22:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Well I cleared everything. Then did a complete scrub with PrivacyEraser so the cache and cookies were gone from my PC and browser. Nothing has changed. I still don't see the page notice link. SilkTork (talk) 22:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

@SilkTork: OK, I'm at a loss and opened phab:T229986. I was able to replicate the problem on testwiki with an alternate account of mine as well. — xaosflux Talk 00:45, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
@SilkTork: OK, so it wasn't that phab ticket - there was actually something else wrong on testwiki. Can you try it over there now just to see if you are only broken here? — xaosflux Talk 03:22, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Broken there as well. SilkTork (talk) 09:46, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Bots Newsletter, August 2019Edit

Bots Newsletter, August 2019
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Here is the 7th issue of the Bots Newsletter, a lot happened since last year's newsletter! You can subscribe/unsubscribe from future newsletters by adding/removing your name from this list.

Highlights for this newsletter include:

  • Nothing of note happened. Just like we like it.

BAG members are expected to be active on Wikipedia to have their finger on the pulse of the community. After two years without any bot-related activity (such as posting on bot-related pages, posting on a bot's talk page, or operating a bot), BAG members will be retired from BAG following a one-week notice. Retired members can re-apply for BAG membership as normal if they wish to rejoin the BAG.

We thank former members for their service and wish Madman a happy retirement. We note that Madman and BU Rob13 were not inactive and could resume their BAG positions if they so wished, should their retirements happens to be temporary.


Two new entries feature in the bots dictionary

  • Activity requirements: BAG members now have an activity requirement. The requirements are very light, one only needs to be involved in a bot-related area at some point within the last two years. For purpose of meeting these requirements, discussing a bot-related matter anywhere on Wikipedia counts, as does operating a bot (RFC).
  • Copyvio flag: Bot accounts may be additionally marked by a bureaucrat upon BAG request as being in the "copyviobot" user group on Wikipedia. This flag allows using the API to add metadata to edits for use in the New pages feed (discussion). There is currently 1 bot using this functionality.
  • Mass creation: The restriction on mass-creation (semi-automated or automated) was extended from articles, to all content-pages. There are subtleties, but content here broadly means whatever a reader could land on when browsing the mainspace in normal circumstances (e.g. Mainspace, Books, most Categories, Portals, ...). There is also a warning that WP:MEATBOT still applies in other areas (e.g. Redirects, Wikipedia namespace, Help, maintenance categories, ...) not explicitely covered by WP:MASSCREATION.

As of writing, we have...

  • 20 active BOTREQs, please help if you can!
  • 14 open BRFAs and 1 BRFA in need of BAG attention (see live status).
  • In 2018, 96 bot task were approved. An AWB search shows approximately 29 were withdrawn/expired, and 6 were denied.
  • Since the start of 2019, 97 bot task were approved. Logs show 15 were withdrawn/expired, and 15 were denied.
  • 10 inactive bots have been deflagged (see discussion). 5 other bots have been deflagged per operator requests or similar (see discussion).
New things
Other discussions

These are some of the discussions that happened / are still happening since the last Bots Newsletter. Many are stale, but some are still active.

See also the latest discussions at the bot noticeboard.

Thank you! edited by: Headbomb 17:24, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

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Help with Javascript regarding WikiLoveEdit

Hello! :)

Recently we just activated the WikiLove extension in SqWiki. We just finished localizing it but there are two technical details which we'd like to change. We have only two interface admins (I'm one of those) and for the moment being, none of us knows hows to do these changes in the .js page. I thought I'd ask for help in the EnWiki interface admins and since I saw your name in that list and you've helped me in the past... :P Can I write what I need help with here? Or if you don't feel like you're the best person for that, can you tell me who I might write to for it? Thank you in advance! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:17, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: hello, what would you like to change on your wikilove? I just sent you a wikilove on sqwiki to show that it works. — xaosflux Talk 14:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
I see you have already started working on it at w:sq:MediaWiki:WikiLove.jsxaosflux Talk 14:45, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it does. We only want to change two small technical details, as I said. The first is regarding the template you just used. It's set up with a drop-down menu like with all other types of templates. But, unlike the other cases, this doesn't have subtypes. We tried setting it up as a type without subtypes but then the icon and description disappear. Is there any way to be just like it is only without a drop-down menu?
And secondly, please see the templates at "Medalje komunitetit" called "Medalje gjysmë D" and "Medalje gjysmë M". Those are the Albanian half stars awards. Those are the only templates that have a message form where the user can write, needed to put the name of the collaborator with whom they're sharing the award. We want to make the text (a hint) that appears at the message form disappear when the form is clicked and reappear if nothing was added to it or if it was emptied. How can we do that?
Thank you a lot for your fast replies! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:56, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: I'm getting a little stuck on this, but would you like to try this on testwiki? The changes take about 10mins before they are usable, but you will be able to try without breaking your running wiki. I can add you some temporary access on there if you would like? — xaosflux Talk 16:01, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you but I'm not sure that would be a good idea. We don't have a very active community so breaking the wiki is not really a problem. I'm just not good enough with the JavaScript syntax and wouldn't know what to do there more than what I'm already doing at SqWiki. Maybe is better than nothing, I'm not sure as I've never used TestWiki before, so if that's the case, then yes, please do grant me access there. Maybe I can make it work by experimenting. But I was hoping more on some help with the coding part. - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: OK, I'll add you temporary access at testwiki - just clean up your tests when you are done and don't break it too much :D I suggest you follow up at mw:Extension talk:WikiLove or WP:VPT here. — xaosflux Talk 17:19, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! :) I'll try asking at WP:VPT. Is there anyone from the list here who you think can help me with it? As far as you know them, I mean. Apart from Cyberpower, I've bothered him quite a lot about IABot lately. XD (And Kaldari, for similar reasons. :P ) As for the TestWiki, maybe I won't be able to deal with it a lot often these two weeks as tomorrow I start my vacations but as soon as I get back, I'll catch up with my wikiwork. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:57, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: all of our IAdmins watch VPT here, looking at the WikiLove project on phabricator does include Kaldari as a project member, though @Quiddity: may be able to direct you to someone that can help with WikiLove specific code quicker. — xaosflux Talk 18:10, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
I see. Okay then. I'll try using the VPT after Quiddity answers. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:46, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: I can only second what Xaosflux suggested, to ask at mw:Extension talk:WikiLove (and I see that you've already edited mw:Extension:WikiLove#Custom_configuration, so thank you for those improvements!). Kaldari is indeed the expert, so you could try pinging him when you write on the extension talkpage there. Hope that helps. Quiddity (talk) 10:37, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@Quiddity: thank you! :) I've pinged him some days ago about a similar problem but I'm trying one more time. :P @Kaldari: please take a look at the conversation. As I wrote on your talkpage, I've finished working with the extension and we're using it already but there are two technical difficulties we're having with it and I'd need a bit help with the coding regarding them. @Xaosflux: sorry for having this conversation here but I didn't want to start from scratch somewhere else if I wasn't really forced to. :P Hope for your understatement. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:35, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Klein Muçi: it's OK. It looks like even our own local copy of MediaWiki:WikiLove.js has issues (e.g. the "Adding more kitten images" doesn't seem to actually do anything). If you move this to Extension_talk:WikiLove, feel free to copy and paste the entire conversation above for reference. — xaosflux Talk 14:52, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, good idea. I'll pass the entire conversation there, regardless if the problems get solved or not, hoping it may help some people in the future. @Kaldari: pinging a second time as the first one had problems and I'm not sure if it succeeded or not. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:12, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: The kitten additions at MediaWiki:WikiLove.js seem to be working fine. Just keep re-clicking the kitten icon until you see one of the new ones show up. Kaldari (talk) 10:20, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: You can add an item without a subitem like this:
$.wikiLoveOptions.types.puppy = {
	name: 'Puppy',
	fields: [ 'header', 'message' ],
	header: 'You get a puppy',
	text: '[[File:2009-08-16 Puppy at Duke East 1.jpg|left|150px]]\n$1\n<br style="clear: both;"/>',
	icon: ''
Kaldari (talk) 13:43, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the responses Kaldari (I see the local kittens working now, they change when you leave and return to the kitten selector). — xaosflux Talk 13:45, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: once you have your changes tested and working, if you have time to add to the documentation (with examples) at mw:Extension:WikiLove#Custom_configuration it would be appreciated! — xaosflux Talk 13:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)
@Kaldari: I've tried the aforementioned way. It ends up without a description or image at the second step, only showing the "preview" button. To many inexpert eyes, it looks broken like that and they keep pressing the type button to choose it, thinking their command hasn't been registered by the extension. That's why I asked if there's a way to make it without a drop-down menu while showing the description and image of the type. I understand there's not a way for that now so I'll leave it like that. What about the second question regarding the disappearing and reappearing of the text in the message form? If my explanation seems confusing, I'm talking about this: [4] - Random link I searched on Google that seems to pinpoint the subject right. Isn't there a way to make the text in the message form disappear when clicked and reappear if it remains/becomes empty?
@Xaosflux: I've thought about that. The problem is that most of the changes I've made, were made with the trial and error method. :P And, although I can understand what I'm doing, I'm not able to explain it well enough for the others. That's why I set up the Portuguese Wikipedia as an example (since that was the one I copied the code from and started experimenting) and the Albanian one. I was hoping to at least help people with examples, if they ever needed them, or at least, urge some more experienced editors to write some good technical advice from the examples that were added. I think adding this conversation to the talkpage of that page will be a great help too. - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Klein Muçi Are you looking to include an input placeholder? This would be best managed as an input field, and not with a javascript hack to add it in. — xaosflux Talk 00:42, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

@Xaosflux: please, try to give me Medalje gjysmë D (found in Medalje komuniteti) with the extension. A form will follow with some text in Albanian on it saying to erase said text and replace it with a user's name. I just want that text to disappear automatically when the form is clicked and then reappear if nothing was written on it. So the one who is using the extension won't need to delete the text manually before writing the user's name. It's a very common thing in website these days. A message with text as a hint appears telling you what to do and disappears immediately as soon as you click on it and start writing (reappearing if the form was left empty again). I thought it would require no more than a line of javascript code and to be honest, I'm a little surprised I'm having difficulties explaining it. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 01:51, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: As soon as this patch gets merged, the description for stand-alone types will no longer be broken. Getting images to work properly for stand-alone types will be more complicated. There is currently no support for placeholders in WikiLove. Kaldari (talk) 13:36, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay, that finally answers everything I needed then. I didn't know the term I was looking for was "placeholder". I'm coping the entire conversation, including this sentence, to the talkpage of the extension. Thank you to everyone involved! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@Klein Muçi: on general purposes web pages, there are other types of page hacks that can accomplish things like that (using script handlers for onfocus/onblur/etc to replace form data) but that's really not something we would want to shim in. @Kaldar: I don't think it would be "hard" to add placehold functionality to WikiLove right - just would take time for a developer to work on it when they wanted to. — xaosflux Talk 15:03, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
@Xaosflux: I understand now. I often work with new users, teaching them how to work around Wikipedia and one of the usual problems that arise is the one related to the general interface of the Wikimedia projects. Many things we take for granted in different famous web pages we use on a day to day basis, work differently on Wikipedia. For the average social media user, the whole project seems a bit too technical sometimes, very crude and old fashioned. Being that many famous web pages use similar interfaces for accomplishing similar things, many new users expect instinctively to find things the same way here and get a bit confused when they don't. For example, many new users try to ping someone the same way they do in other websites, @ + Name, no template brackets or forum words like "ping" used. To help with that, one of the pinging templates at SqWiki is {{@|Name}}. As an admin, I'm always helping on this side of the project and that's why I started working with the WikiLove extension because that would greatly help with our barnstar templates that not many new users know how to award them. Therefore, in my opinion, this placehold functionality would help greatly in many areas of the project since it would give us the ability to use forms with hints when needed, like many web pages do these days. For the moment being, the only way we can give hints is with edit notices and, in some cases, tooltips (and comments but that's a bit too technical for the new users) and they work great but I think that could help much too. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!Edit

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG For your continuous help regardless of the topic, a full tray of baklava only for you. - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Can you please update the Duggar family page to reflect the changes that have been made?Edit

Can you please update the Duggar family page to reflect the changes that have been made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6C0:C201:7E45:F43A:4019:693F:A742 (talk) 19:50, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Not done no thanks. — xaosflux Talk 23:02, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)Edit

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). Legobot (talk) 04:33, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dear Love YouEdit

give me please admin i am from pakistan — Preceding unsigned comment added by RjFaraz Lahore (talkcontribs) 12:46, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

  • @RjFaraz Lahore: Hi. I am not sure, are you asking for love, or are you asking for admin privileges? —usernamekiran(talk) 13:13, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
Not done see Wikipedia:Not now. — xaosflux Talk 13:16, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
while we are at it, kindly see third point in WP:NOTDATINGSERVICE Face-grin.svgusernamekiran(talk) 14:51, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-34Edit

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