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Precious anniversaryEdit

Precious
 
Six years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[]


Invitation to join the Fifteen Year SocietyEdit

Dear Xaosflux,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 16:58, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[]

  Donexaosflux Talk 16:59, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[]


Some baklava for you!Edit

  Welcome to Project Spaceflight! Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. :) --Neopeius (talk) 01:55, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[]

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Special Barnstar
This is to show appreciation for aiding me to solve my problem. Celestina007 (talk) 19:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[]

epicEdit

  Love and appreciation
you rock ThatsW1cked (talk) 16:54, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[]


A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Special Barnstar
For spending the time to answer my persistent questions at Wikipedia:Village Pump (Technical). ―Qwerfjkltalk 21:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[]

ConfusedEdit

Hello! I'm a bit confused as to why my page at User:Blaze The Wolf/vector.js had to be reveiwed. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 13:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Blaze The Wolf: all newly created pages go in to the unpatrolled pages queue. Most patrollers focus on new "articles" only, but all pages still end up in the queue. For users with patrol access, when viewing a page that isn't patrolled yet there is a small indicator as to its status, when I came across your page I saw that and as your page was perfectly fine I marked it to take it out of the backlog. It didn't "have" to be patrolled, but getting a page you created patrolled without issue is a positive thing. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 13:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Oh ok. I was just a bit confused as that was the first page that I had created that I got a notification about having been reviewed because none of my other pages had that happen. Thanks for informing me! ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 13:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Requesting Event coordinator rightEdit

Hello! How you are doing good. I've applied for the application earlier, [1]. Later I changed my username. I'm conducting training about Wikipedia. Could you please grand the permission? Agnihothri Sharath (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Someone will handle it on the WP:PERM page. — xaosflux Talk 09:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Feedback request: Wikipedia policies and guidelines request for commentEdit

 

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18:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

NoteEdit

Just wanted to clarify something, since this text-written environment is usually not great at conveying "tone"

I re-read my words, and I'm not angry, upset or disgruntled tyowards you or anyone.

I am not thrilled what I keep seeing of late where we as a community seem to value a seeming suicide-pact to following/creating process at times. All process and procedures serve the community, not the other way round.

But as I said, it's not a reflection on you or others, just a general feeling of blah about some things I've seen of late.

You're one of the hardest-working Wikipedians I see, and and you manage to do so being collaborative and civil. No one should ever be giving you attitude : ) - jc37 18:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Jc37: thanks for the follow up, agree text communications can be hard. I think your idea has merit and should be discussed and was trying to think of ways to make it work best for everyone. I don't think parallel/overlapping ACE RfC's are a good idea because it may lead to RfC burnout and end up not getting a strong community representation on subsequent split ones, but that's just my feeling - there is certainly no policy preventing it. — xaosflux Talk 18:41, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I understand and your points are well-taken, especially about "burnout". I also think "driveby voting" would be a concern too - though I think that's already extant on that page. lol - jc37 18:47, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Search boxEdit

Hi. Thanks for your help with this query. I can confirm it's now fixed. Thanks again! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:40, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Thank you! — xaosflux Talk 19:42, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Question about the Wikipedia app for iOSEdit

Hello Xaosflux, I have a question about the Wikipedia app for iOS. I would like to prevent the app from saving my searches and the articles I read. I initially asked this question at the Teahouse, but another editor told me to ask this at WP:VPT. I moved the discussion from the Teahouse to VPT. The discussion is here. I was wondering if have any knowledge about how to do this. I appreciate your response. Thanks, Interstellarity (talk) 12:53, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]

  • (talk page stalker) I haven't tested this particular problem, but I would imagine it's not possible (unless you see an option in your settings). I don't think any app actually supports an option to toggle this. Like Facebook/Twitter etc let you clear it after the fact but not usually disable saving in the first place. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:31, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]
  • (edit conflict) I know of at least one app that has this capability. The YouTube app has two options for pausing search and watch history. If there is no feature in the Wikipedia app, I'm hoping that it could go into Phabricator for a feature request. I'm not an expert in the program, so I was hoping someone can help me add it to Phab or do it for me. Interstellarity (talk) 19:41, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]

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22:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

En masse page moveEdit

Hey Xaos! :)

In SqWiki we've been using the documentation module for many years without any kind of localization. Throughout this time we have accumulated a large number of /doc subpages. Recently we started dealing with that module's translation and we were entertaining the idea of moving all the /doc subpages to an Albanian abbreviation, for example, /udh. The ideal outcome would be to somehow have each /udh subpage be automatically accompanied with a /doc redirection page to it so in a way we could keep both versions ongoing but I know that wouldn't be possible without a bot, would it? What do you think would be the best way to move a large number of subpages like in our situation? Any way this can be solved without involving bots? This is all still in the hypothetical realm so don't worry too much about it. I was mostly urged by the curiosity to know how to generally deal with situations like these when I might have to move or delete a large number of pages fast. - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:54, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: there is no back-end was to create or move pages in bulk, using the API with a bot account is probably the most efficient and normal manner. Pretty much the only back end bulk operation is Special:Nuke which could possibly take care of your large delete needs depending on how the pages were created. — xaosflux Talk 00:03, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I see. I was looking at Mediawiki for any pywikibot scripts for that but even the one that I found doesn't look like it can help me with my current situation, judging by the documentation. If I interpreted it right, it can only find pages in a certain prefix. What I want is to find pages with a certain suffix (/doc). - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Hmm, how would I be able to generate a list of all the pages ending in /doc? I want to know how many pages would be dealing with exactly. I remember you being very versatile with searches like that. - Klein Muçi (talk) 08:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: you are probably better using a dump vs a search. You can download a list of all pagetitles on sqwiki here. Then you can use any text processor of your choice to match pages ending in "/doc" to create your list. — xaosflux Talk 09:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Uhmm, okay but having worked with dumps only 1 time in the past, can you tell me which exactly is the file (by the mb size I guess) I need to download from there? Thanks for the idea by the way! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:25, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
List of all page titles - 1.5 MB Found it, I guess. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:42, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Apparently that was correct. Keeping on the same discussion, can you explain to me a bit how the "mirror" and "testcases" links work in module documentation? What they exactly are? Those are 2 features we rarely, not to say never, have properly used in the past so I'd like to know how to explain those to other users. - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:50, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Mirror is just a preload to make it easy to copy the current Template:Foo to Template:Foo/Sandbox; Template:Foo/testcases is usually a list of examples of the template, comparing the things in Template:Foo with Template:Foo/sandbox - so editors can compare if/how changes tested in the sandbox may differ from the current template. — xaosflux Talk 14:26, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Got it! Thanks a lot for your continuous help! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:29, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
One last thing, just to be sure: Does this edit ruin anything? I'm worried more about the testcases → Provëzat part. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:58, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: I don't think so, keep in mind that is case sensitive, so it should work for pages such as w:sq:Stampa:Demografia/Provëzat but not w:sq:Stampa:Demografia/provëzat - so your community will want to use a consistent naming convention if you want to take advantage of that. — xaosflux Talk 15:18, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks for the clarifications! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:35, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Thank you.Edit

Just wanted to offer my appreciation for your help. Thank you. Mr. Darcy talk 13:44, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Administrators' newsletter – October 2021Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2021).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  • A motion has standardised the 500/30 (extended confirmed) restrictions placed by the Arbitration Committee. The standardised restriction is now listed in the Arbitration Committee's procedures.
  • Following the closure of the Iranian politics case, standard discretionary sanctions are authorized for all edits about, and all pages related to, post-1978 Iranian politics, broadly construed.
  • The Arbitration Committee encourages uninvolved administrators to use the discretionary sanctions procedure in topic areas where it is authorised to facilitate consensus in RfCs. This includes, but is not limited to, enforcing sectioned comments, word/diff limits and moratoriums on a particular topic from being brought in an RfC for up to a year.

  Miscellaneous

  • Editors have approved expanding the trial of Growth Features from 2% of new accounts to 25%, and the share of newcomers getting mentorship from 2% to 5%. Experienced editors are invited to add themselves to the mentor list.
  • The community consultation phase of the 2021 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process is open for editors to provide comments and ask questions to candidates.

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Tech News: 2021-40Edit

16:29, 4 October 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of File:20191004-ooui-contrib-page.JPGEdit

 

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  • I speediededed it. — xaosflux Talk 09:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]

HelloEdit

Hello, I appreciate your response on @ST47: talk page. I respect his decision which aims at maintaining and protecting Wikipedia against vandalism and sockpuppetry. We have an upcoming workshop due on October 9, 2021, in one of our major cities in Ghana. All IP's within that region is blocked by @ST47: and @ST47ProxyBot:. We are able to create accounts for our participants as you showed us using the dashboard but no one can edit afterwards. I've tried to reach ST47 to changed (even temporarily) to a softblock on the day of the event but he is not addressing the issue 1[[13]] and we are 3 days away from the event. The IP is 154.160.70.27 and the event dashboard Please can you look into it and help us lift the block so that participants can edit on that day? Thank you Robertjamal12 (talk) 08:36, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Robertjamal12: if the blocking admin is unresponsive or your are in disagreement, please post your request at WP:AN for review by an uninvolved administrator. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 09:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Xaosflux: Thank you — Robertjamal12 (talk) 09:49, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]

New page reviewerEdit

Hello Sir Xaosflux, Sir I kindly requested permission to be a new pages reviewer, Could you please sir see it. Request Superatp 15:14, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Hello, someone will get to it soon, there is a bit of an WP:ADMINBACKLOG right now. — xaosflux Talk 15:16, 6 October 2021 (UTC)[]

BabelEdit

Hello!

Lately I turned my attention to some of the basic features in Wikipedia, which in my community hadn't been updated for decades. One of those is the babel system. I saw that here it had evolved, like many other things, to use a Lua module. I updated accordingly. However I'm still baffled by something: Do we really need to create a template for each level of each language ever? How is such a system supposed to ever be imported considering that it would require the importation of hundreds of templates and categories? I do understand that here it has evolved organically over time to be like that, and much to my surprise, most of the templates and categories already existed even on SqWiki, having been created at an earlier time when babel userboxes were "all the rage" there (most likely that trend had the same high and low even here). But, how is such a system supposed to ever be imported anywhere else? Or maintained? I had a similar problem in this case which required the importation of ~90k templates! Has there ever been efforts to change the way the "babel system" works in that direction? To standardize it somehow, if that makes sense, making it easier to maintain and import it? Given that this is not the only occasion, as you see above, do you have any advice for me on dealing with cases like these in regard to importation? My mind screams "BOTS!" but I'm not aware of any specific ones that could help in these occasions. Klein Muçi (talk) 12:51, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: so not really - I'd say the "best" way to use babel on anything put the very largest wikis that want to do a lot of local maintenance is to use the babel parser functions from the babel extension that is already deployed to WMF wikis. (c.f. mw:Extension:Babel). It works even on projects that haven't done anything special (e.g. at a very small project I never use: w:zh-min-nan:Iōng-chiá:Xaosflux/sandbox). — xaosflux Talk 13:06, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Can you remind me where can I see which extensions are activated on my project? Or is that a kind of those "default" ones? - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:28, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Just checked the latest contributions on SqWiki. I see you have already tested it out on our project and it is enabled. I wasn't aware of such extension. Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:36, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: right here: w:sq:Speciale:Verzioni, yup it worked fine!, you may want to initiate the category: w:sq:Kategoria:Babel - Përdorues sipas gjuhës, just so its not a red link. — xaosflux Talk 13:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, I will try to look after some of the accompanying categories and system messages now. - Klein Muçi (talk) 13:40, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Please add full lock protection to the singer K S Chithra PageEdit

Kindly add the full lock protection to the singer K S Chithra's page to avoid the unwanted edits Simha Gorji (talk) 14:38, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Simha Gorji: to request page protection, please post at WP:RFPP. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 15:34, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[]

RfA 2021 review updateEdit

Thanks so much for participating in Phase 1 of the RfA 2021 review. 8 out of the 21 issues discussed were found to have consensus. Thanks to our closers of Phase 1, Primefac and Wugapodes.

The following had consensus support of participating editors:

  1. Corrosive RfA atmosphere
    The atmosphere at RfA is deeply unpleasant. This makes it so fewer candidates wish to run and also means that some members of our community don't comment/vote.
  2. Level of scrutiny
    Many editors believe it would be unpleasant to have so much attention focused on them. This includes being indirectly a part of watchlists and editors going through your edit history with the chance that some event, possibly a relatively trivial event, becomes the focus of editor discussion for up to a week.
  3. Standards needed to pass keep rising
    It used to be far easier to pass RfA however the standards necessary to pass have continued to rise such that only "perfect" candidates will pass now.
  4. Too few candidates
    There are too few candidates. This not only limits the number of new admin we get but also makes it harder to identify other RfA issues because we have such a small sample size.
  5. "No need for the tools" is a poor reason as we can find work for new admins

The following issues had a rough consensus of support from editors:

  1. Lifetime tenure (high stakes atmosphere)
    Because RfA carries with it lifetime tenure, granting any given editor sysop feels incredibly important. This creates a risk adverse and high stakes atmosphere.
  2. Admin permissions and unbundling
    There is a large gap between the permissions an editor can obtain and the admin toolset. This brings increased scrutiny for RFA candidates, as editors evaluate their feasibility in lots of areas.
  3. RfA should not be the only road to adminship
    Right now, RfA is the only way we can get new admins, but it doesn't have to be.

Please consider joining the brainstorming which will last for the next 1-2 weeks. This will be followed by Phase 2, a 30 day discussion to consider solutions to the problems identified in Phase 1.


There are 2 future mailings planned. One when Phase 2 opens and one with the results of Phase 2. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

Best, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:09, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]

I found a mistake in User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages config.jsonEdit

Hello Xaosflux, I made a protected edit request to User:Community Tech bot/Popular pages config.json today, and found a mistake there.

The original code

"Wikipedia:WikiProject Craft": {
        "Report": "Wikipedia:WikiProject Craft/Popular pages",
        "Limit": 500,
        "Name": "Spirits"
    }

The corrected code

"Wikipedia:WikiProject Craft": {
        "Report": "Wikipedia:WikiProject Craft/Popular pages",
        "Limit": 500,
        "Name": "Craft"
    }

Thanks! --Phikia (talk) 03:32, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]

  Fixed thank you for the note @Phikia:. — xaosflux Talk 10:07, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Precious anniversaryEdit

Precious
 
Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]

New message from IbrahimBhatti4013Edit

Hello, Xaosflux. You have new messages at IbrahimBhatti4013's talk page.
Message added 19:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[]

IbrahimBhatti4013 (talk) 19:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@IbrahimBhatti4013: huh? There is nothing there - do you need something? Please reply here if so. — xaosflux Talk 19:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Glad I have this talkpage watchlisted. Would've missed this latest Safi Bhatti sock otherwise. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 19:59, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Tech News: 2021-41Edit

15:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Wiki-votingEdit

Hello! :)

Is there any way to make voting in Wikipages have a "GUI"? Like, for example, you can create a button that when clicked, generates a new page with preloaded text, if you so choose and that's good for creating candidature pages for admins/crats, or requests for bots approvals, etc. These kind of pages are usually followed by a type of voting system (call it discussion if you want) which usually incorporates vote-like templates of the pro/against/neutral sort. Is there any way to make it possible so the said templates are "given" with the click of a button near the candidate's name, preferably with a text box that allows for inserting a rationale for the given vote? I was looking at all the pages around in regard to voting here but didn't find anything interesting. - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: sort of. Perfectly, no. This could be done with javascript. For a very complex example, see commons:Help:Gadget-EnhancedPOTY.js. We don't use these on enwiki, as it may create a barrier for those without javascript or with other accessibility considerations such as screenreaders. — xaosflux Talk 16:00, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Slightly lighter weight, see User:Awesome Aasim/xfdvote. — xaosflux Talk 16:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hmm, but, you can still vote on the traditional manner even if those gadgets/userscripts are activated, no? This would be like adding VE to the traditional text editor... no? How does the first one actually work? I saw that it hasn't been updated in years now. The second one looks more straightforward so I don't believe any kind of help is needed on that. - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:11, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The POTY ones edits a special vote-page for you, you could edit it directly but many people don't even know about that since it is behind the scenes. The second one is more of a "helper" so it can be used in addition to traditional voting. — xaosflux Talk 16:18, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Ah, I see. I'll try to set up that user script as a community gadget then. Side question: Every time I try to use the "reply" button at your page, I get a message that says that the "reply" link cannot be used here. How have you blocked that from happening? Any particular reasons why users can be against that functionality? - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: I didn't do anything specific to cause that, are you using the Discussion Tools beta-feature, or something else to make your "reply button"? — xaosflux Talk 16:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, the mentioned beta feature but I've only encountered that message at your page. I don't think every other user I've interacted with has that feature activated. It always works on every user talk page in SqWiki and users there rarely activate beta features. - Klein Muçi (talk) 16:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: I'm assuming some sort of bug, think pages with certain elements or certain linterrors may break that tool. You could ask over at mw:Talk:Talk_pages_project. — xaosflux Talk 16:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Interesting... I will now. I was trying to modify the script that you gave me above to work in our project but looks like I failed.
These are some (all?) of the pages that we vote on and where I wanted the script (turned gadget at us) to work. The first 2 links are for good and featured articles, the third one is for admin/crat and revocation voting and the last one for articles for deletion. Assuming it is easy to do, and that you have some free time, can you give me an example of how to modify it for at least 2 of those links? I can take care of the translation in the end I believe. - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:09, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: have you tried it as a directly loaded userscript yet? You may be missing some dependencies trying to load it as a gadget. (Here it is not a gadget). — xaosflux Talk 17:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I haven't because I'm not sure what to exactly expect. Judging by what I understood in the code, it works on specific hard-coded pages, which are EnWiki pages. I believe if I just copy-pasted it as it is, it would do nothing at us. - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:16, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
C-P it to your own page, then load it in your own common.js, adjust these type of lines mw.config.get("wgPageName").includes and see if it works. If it does, you may need to load extra dependencies on your gadget page. For more help with that though, you should ask Awesome Aasimxaosflux Talk 17:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, you're right. It works better when used as a user script. But I still need guidance to localize it. I'll try writing to the creator himself. Thank you! You may be interested in this. Klein Muçi (talk) 17:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: you should prob keep it as a userscript until it is working all the way, then you can look in to gadgetizing it; your gadget resource load likely needs some dependencies included. — xaosflux Talk 18:03, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes. I was forced to stop that initiative altogether because the creator wasn't able to help. Maybe I ask for the creation of something specific for us in WP:US/R in the near future and maybe I'm lucky to get a response. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:06, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
  • @Klein Muçi: FWIW, dtenable breaks on this page when it includes my {{User:Xaosflux/Menu1}} - not sure why though. — xaosflux Talk 18:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
If it helps, Awesome Aasim was the only other user I've found that also gave me that same message as your page does. - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: I think I've got a linter error in that menu header, but don't have time to debug it right now. — xaosflux Talk 18:17, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: it should work now, resolved an open div. Think there is a topic open on that in general somewhere on mwwiki, but they use crappy flow, so I'm not looking for it! — xaosflux Talk 18:23, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Xaosflux, and yes, it does. Replying to you by that tool now. Apparently there's no special reason. It's just fragile and breaks easily. Thanks though! Made my life a bit easier. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:26, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: that situation is described in phab:T287040 if you care to follow it. — xaosflux Talk 18:29, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks! Ironic that you're one of the few that has been interested there. - Klein Muçi (talk) 18:41, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Gathering participationEdit

Hi back! Sorry for disturbing. I actually wanted to ask this at the Tech-VP but I was too shy given the broad subject this question has. Can you tell me what are some good technical/social ways to gather participation in discussions, voting, etc? We hold a sort of annual wiki competition at SqWiki where users can come and propose other users for different wikibanners but almost no one comes, even after we notify at "public pages" like the VP, etc. We hold article deletion discussions, admin/crat elections, discussions about good or featured articles but again, users rarely come to vote and everything looks like it's decided by the same 2-3 people. Can you give me any advice on this subject? - Klein Muçi (talk) 20:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi:
We mostly use #3 from that list, advertisement at our VP and on a template we ask people to watch: Template:Centralized discussion. For single-page issues like article deletions, we don't use any of those - but we have a huge community compared to almost all other projects. — xaosflux Talk 20:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, that's the problem with small wikis. To be honest, I was thinking of more obtrusive (?) ways like sending echo notifications or individual talk page messages. People rarely reply to public messages but I've seen that they do interact if you send them a talk page message. I don't know if that's the right way or not or, even if it is, how would I be able to precisely send messages en masse to them. :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 20:37, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: use w:sq:Speciale:MassMessage, you will need to build a recipients list, then you can use that to send talk page notifications to everyone on the list. Limit your recipient lists to <5000 editors each. See our notes at WP:MMS and WT:MMS for help on that. — xaosflux Talk 21:28, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hmm, interesting... What would be a good criteria for generating that kind of list? Should I just copy-paste the results from w:sq:Speciale:PërdoruesitAktivë? :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:36, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Is there any way to make that list start from the users with the most edits instead of alphabetically? - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
No, but really you only have 265 people on that list to curate (for reference we have ~125000). You could run some database queries I suppose. — xaosflux Talk 21:43, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I have no idea what would be appropriate for your community, we rarely do non-opt-in mass messages here, a notable exception is the annual arbitration committee election notices (because we had a community RfC that said we should do this). — xaosflux Talk 21:40, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I see. Okay then. Thank you for your advices! Really appreciated. :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:47, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Preloading pagesEdit

This when utilized here allows you to make a bot approval request with fewer steps. (Write a random name in the box, press the button and see what I mean.) In that request you get the magic words written which get parsed only after the page is saved, which works fine. Is there a more efficient way though that allows you to skip that step while giving you lines already completed, not with the magic words? - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:27, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: not really, we are doing something similar (WP:BRFA) - suppose you could hack it client side with javascript. I don't have any examples of that though, we try to avoid that method here. — xaosflux Talk 09:42, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Oh, okay. We're good then. I "created" the whole thing without seeing any examples and I wasn't sure if that was the most efficient way or not. Glad to see that I've been EnWiki-standard. haha Thanks! :) -

Partial blocksEdit

I'm hoping you know the answer to a question so I can avoid going to a WP:VPT. The scenario: User A is indefinitely partially blocked from editing an article. A report is filed at WP:ANEW regarding User A's violation of 3RR (obviously on a different article). The administrator (that's me) sitewide blocks User A for a week. What happens when the sitewide block expires? Does the partial block resume, or must the administrator reimpose the partial block? Assuming the partial block does not resume, do you think this would be a useful option for an administrator to have in this scenario? I think it should be the default, but perhaps I'm in a minority. Thanks for your help.--Bbb23 (talk) 10:55, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Bbb23: short technical answer is: you can't be partially blocked and sitewide blocked, if someone is pblocked you can't "block" them at all - you can only unblock them or "change the block". If you change the block it changes to all of the new values you specify, discarding the old values. It is just like the scenario where a page can't have multiple protections. To allow for the scenario you described to be possible, phab:T202673 (more technically, phab:T194697) would need to occur to allow someone to have multiple, overlapping, blocks. — xaosflux Talk 11:00, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Looking at the second phab - and I'm not good at reading phabs, let alone understanding them - it looks like in the last few years a fix has gained no traction. Too bad as it makes no sense to me. In my case I've given the admin who imposed the indefinite pblock a heads up, and he's agreed to reimpose the pblock when my block expires. Pretty clunky if you ask me, not that anyone has. :-) Thanks very much.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:11, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Bbb23: there are a LOT of stalled phab requests, {{sofixit}} applies - but most people don't have the interest in programming potential fixes - and then navigating the WMF related development dungeon to get things actually approved. — xaosflux Talk 13:04, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I understand, but it's frustrating and makes more work for administrators.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:12, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Articles for deletionEdit

Hello! Lately I'm working on creating a standard for SqWiki's articles for deletion page. And given that in the last discussion you mentioned how what I had used before were similar to what EnWiki used, I turned my attention here to see how your system works. I do understand the basics (create an article in a subpage date related, transclude that page somehow to the main page) but I was wondering something which has bothered me for years now. First of all, considering how AfD pages are designed to work, they will have a lot of red links by which novice editor me would be very bothered because in our minds red=something is missing, you need to fill it. Secondly, and this is the main question, wouldn't all those red links there show up in "articles needed" special page? Do you get my logic? Is there any kind of block to prevent something from this happening or do we don't care at all about details like these?

In regard to what I wrote above, I feel like making text red but not clickable/a link per se or something similar would be a better solution than just keeping deleted articles in link forms. Also, what happens if someone wants to nominate more than 1 article simultaneously (usually of a similar subject) for deletion here? Can you do that? Or do the rules here prevent it and you need to create different nominations for each one of them? Feel free to give me as much info about AfDs in general as you want because I want to be able to learn more. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:13, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: Hi again, so there is a lot to unpack here, a bunch of thought below:
  • Special:Wantedpages isn't really that useful pretty much anywhere, tasks like phab:T208935 could make it better and avoid the situation you mentioned above (where wanted articles are populated from non-articles) but may still be a problem if for example want to also populate it from a project page (e.g. an Project:Article topic creation drive).
  • Novice editors don't normally spend much time in article space, so I wouldn't worry about that part.
  • Using color to indicate something is usually a bad idea for accessibility
  • Being able to use Special:WhatLinkshere on a page can be useful to do things like find old discussion about the page (example)
  • Now as far as the mechanics for your deletion discussions go - that is really up to your community. We don't even have only 1 type of way to list deletion discussions here (contrast WP:AFD, WP:CFD, WP:MFD, and WP:FFD which all use different mechanics). Not all projects use the same format either, what is "best" for enwiki may not be what is best for sqwiki. In designing your system you should consider how you will use it and what type of artifacts you want produced. This will likely vary the most based on the volume and depth of your discussions. For example at the meta-wiki, we have very low volumes and only use one page for everything, with no transcluded subpages (meta:Meta:Requests_for_deletion). For log reference you can always use Diff or PermaLinks, but they aren't as useful if your admins won't use them. Consider if you want to have a dispalyed/readable archive - and what you would want to have in such an archive as well. Sorry this is long, but this is really something for your community to discuss. We use, but do not require, many many different helper tools, scripts, programs to help with out process - but I'm sure our volume is MUCH bigger. wikidata:Q22897#sitelinks-wikipedia has links to most projects if you want some inspiration. — xaosflux Talk 15:19, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]
No, don't worry at all. I was looking for a long answer. Thanks a lot for the details! And thanks for the links! They helped a lot. :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:59, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Happy First Edit Day!Edit

WikiquetteEdit

Hello! Keeping up with the general wiki questions, I have a kinda odd one that has been bothering me for quite a while now:

80% of my daily wikiwork is composed of technical/administration things like moving/deleting pages en masse, a lot of small changes in different subpages to see how they transclude to the main one, the same change done in all the pages in a single category... Stuff like this. Stuff which are done with or without the help of other tools. And, as you can think, the latest changes page tends to get overflooded a lot by my changes, especially in a project that is not that dynamic as SqWiki is. Is there a "remedy" for this situation? Should there be? (Maybe it's normal?) I mean, the latest changes page is hard to be used even on EnWiki but that's because the large sheer number of its users.

Giving myself bot status looked like an extreme choice to make and creating another account for only this kind of work would be hard to accomplish because most of the actions I mentioned require admin privileges. - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: are you referring to Special:RecentChanges? You shouldn't worry "too much" about that. For bulk edits that aren't really about content, you could probably mark them as minor, then others can filter those out. An option that some projects do is to create a meta:Flooder group - it will tag things as bot, in most projects that use that you add yourself to flood, do the thing, then remove yourself from it. Also, try not to make lots of uneeded edits? :) Keep in mind you may not only be flooding RecentChanges, but also others' watchlists. — xaosflux Talk 14:19, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes. The minor marking is what I currently do. I will highly consider the flood flag. Thank you! How does a wiki request new user groups? Make a Phab request? Or is that a thing crats can do? - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Phab. — xaosflux Talk 15:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: note, you will need to have a well-attended community discussion in support of the change, which will need to include details of the controls (e.g. "on sqwiki, create group flooder. Include permission (bot); allow add/remove of this group by burecrats; allow addtoself/removefromself of this group by administrators). — xaosflux Talk 15:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
If you can't get enough community members to participate - then that is sort of a sign that it's not really needed! — xaosflux Talk 15:50, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, thanks for the details. Do you have any old Phab requests of the same sort from EnWiki that I can use as a model assuming I'd take that road? - Klein Muçi (talk) 21:28, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
We don't actually have that group here, but it is a simple request you can just model after phab:T131527 for the "standard" flooder group - you will need to specify the add/remove addself/removeself groups that you determine from your community discussion. The general recommendation is: bureaucrat:add members, remove members; administrator:add self, remove self. Sometimes administrator:remove members as well. For your community process (nothing to do with phab) I'd put in guidance that when adding to yourself you always set an expiration time so you don't forget and leave it on. — xaosflux Talk 22:48, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, I wanted any kind of request. The reason I got especially interested in the subject is because, even if I don't ask for that specific group, it is beneficial for me to know the process in general because SqWiki has never asked for any kind of special group users so far. We've talked in the past a bit about modifying the way the patrollers' group works because, by current rules, everyone becomes a patroller automatically after a certain number of edits and, maybe paradoxically, no one does patrolling duties, creating backlogs that continue for literally years in regard to new edits and new pages. We thought that maybe if we gave that right to only a handful of people it can serve as an initiative for them to start working, by treating it as an uncommon privilege. We've also seen that our hierarchy is pretty basic compared to EnWiki, missing groups like template editors, edit filter managers, etc. Now we may never need those extra groups because given the size of the project, admins and crats maybe are enough for everything but it would be good to know nonetheless. So thank you for the details your provided! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: in general smaller wiki's don't really "need" more groups. Also in general groups shouldn't be used as rewards or status symbols - encourage editors with things like contests, thanks, barnstars, wikilove, etc. Contests (Topic Improvement Drive, Type of Backlog Elimination Drive, etc) work well on many smaller projects as they include public recognition for efforts. Smaller wikis usually don't have that many very very active users, and making the ones that are administrators is usually OK. Keep in mind you "only" have ~300 users who have done anything in the last month and 5% of those are bots - 10 admins should be plenty to manage that many users depending on how much IP editing you get, but you could reasonably double that too. Keep in mind that things like "tempalte editors" would only be needed if you were going to introduce an entirely new protection level, and have your administrators manage that level - so you probablly don't need that. As far as edit filter managers, on your project if you trust someone to edit your edit filters that can potentially block all edits on the entire project until someone else fixes it - you can probablly trust them to be an admin too. — xaosflux Talk 23:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, fully agree on the rationale. The patrollers case was a two part one. I only mentioned one side there, the other one being that it seemed strange for us to have that many patrollers and still have backlogs lasting more than 12 months, so we also were thinking of cutting that number down, somehow. Maybe setting an expiration condition that the privilege could be auto-removed if not put into use for a certain period of time and that could also help with the encouragement part. As for the admins, as everywhere else I suppose, way less than 10 are really active. But even in that case, they're still enough, as you said. - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Another technical questionEdit

This one is a little embarrassing because the feature has been around forever, but I've never questioned what it means. If I block a registered user and Account creation is checked, which it is by default, what is the effect? I've read WP:OPTIONS, and putting aside blocking IPs, it says it "will restrict the user from accessing the Special:CreateAccount function for the duration of the block." I've only ever had one account, and it was a long time ago that I created it. I don't know if the Create account page existed back then or if I did it some other way. Speaking currently, how many different ways are there to create an account? By using another method, can you circumvent the restriction? Going back to what the quoted sentence says, can the blocked user create an account by simply not logging in and going to the Create account page? I'm going to stop rambling now and let you respond; otherwise this is going to get more incoherent than it already is. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Bbb23: ok there is a bunch to unravel, and I'll going to meander a bit too - starting with the conclusion probably!
  • In general when you block someone you want to keep that checked, along with the autoblock option - unless the only reason you are blocking them is for a good faith, but unacceptable, username.
  • The block will prevent them from creating an account on the project, regardless of the creation mechanism (Special:CreateAccount is the normal way). Other ways include SUL autocreation (see below) and using the API with action=createaccount (this uncommon method will also be blocked).
    • If they are also autoblocked, it will prevent them from creating accounts while logged out as well (subject to certain IP and cookie components)
    • Block creation is supposed to also block creation from that IP, even if autoblock is not enabled, but I don't think that one also leverages the blocking cookies.
  • This will not stop the person from going to another WMF project and creating a global account there. However, if autoblock is enabled, if they try to use their SUL account created on another project the local project will not autocreate a local account (they will appear logged out and subject to the autoblock on their IP). If the block and autoblock expire, they could then attach that account in the future.
Does that answer your question? If not perhaps there are some example scenarios that may help explain it better. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 14:53, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Some of it goes over my head. Block creation is supposed to also block creation from that IP, even if autoblock is not enabled, but I don't think that one also leverages the blocking cookies. I don't understand that; part of it is I know that some sort of cookies are involved in blocking (account creation?), but how they are involved has never been explained to me.
What triggered all this is a question from Liz on my Talk page (I believe she thinks I'm still a checkuser) about a rash of socks she blocked last night. The gist of it is that she couldn't understand why the individual was able to create new accounts after her blocks of previous ones. A checkuser might be able to answer her question, but I'd still like to understand, if possible, what the most likely answer is even without running a check. Here is the block log for CFalcon05, which she blocked at 3:07. And here is the global account information for All the Falcon accounts, whose account was created at 3:50. In each case, as you can see, Block account creation was checked.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Bbb23 and Liz: the most likely explanation here is that the person behind these changed IP addresses sometime between 3:07 and 3:50 (and likely also didn't have a stored block cookie - there are many ways around that part). I'm not a CU (just an OS) so can't validate that part though. If a CU can determine that the exact same IP address was used here, a bug may be present that needs more investigation. Logs below:
2021-10-17T03:03:35 User account CFalcon05 was created 
2021-10-17T03:07:06 Liz talk contribs block blocked CFalcon05 with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked)
2021-10-17T03:50:46 User account All the Falcon accounts was created 
2021-10-17T04:03:22 Liz talk contribs block blocked All the Falcon accounts with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation blocked, email disabled, cannot edit own talk page)
The way "cookie blocks" work is basically this: when you are blocked and you access the site, you get a "cookie" downloaded to your computer (you get lots of cookies all the time, they identify you to sites and can store some data) - then by default your browser will advertise that you have that cookie if you come back - so even if your IP address changed or your username changed the site will still know you are the same computer that was recently blocked. These are far from foolproof, users can delete them or avoid them in many ways if they know how to. — xaosflux Talk 17:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
This was my guess too (changing IP addresses). I know how cookies work on browsers, but I don't know how Wikipedia uses those cookies.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Technical aspect in WP:RFAEdit

Hello! I have a short question:

In your WP:RFA page, at the top, you have a table which shows information about the current elections taking place. How is that table updated with the newly added candidatures? Does it have a kind of automatic mechanism or is it done manually by users? (Or maybe by bots?) - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:31, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: I think you are referring to our Template:RFX report, which is powered by our Module:RFX report. We also have the original for that, which is bot powered and kept for fallback or other purposes here: User:Cyberpower678/RfX Report. They both have their advantages. — xaosflux Talk 17:05, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, that one. Can you explain to me a bit the general logic behind its work? How does it collect its information? I was studying the module's code but I'm still not sure. Or should I ask one of the module's maintainers? - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:10, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Grabs a list of subpages, finds our sections about the values (support, opppose, etc), counts the first level ol objects in each, makes a report. It is very dependant on the RfA being laid out in exactly the format used here on enwiki. For follow up see Template talk:RFX report and feel free to ping recent editors of the module there. — xaosflux Talk 22:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Ah, so it is how I suspected. We currently have only 1 section for voting where the results get mixed (and finally counted manually, given that at tops we have only 10 votes per election). Apparently we can't use that. I wanted to have a fast way to show the results in a compressed manner in the top of the page and that was perfect in that aspect. Maybe we switch to using your model in the future to be able to benefit from that. :P As always, thanks a lot for the explanations! I remember some years ago that I had no other way to learn about something technical beside reading Mediawiki pages and trial-erroring to death. Until you offered to help. Really grateful. :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[]
I cannot, for the life of me, understand how candidates here get the scheduled end date added to their candidature. I looked around the templates many times but I see no magic word or template related to date. What am I missing? I even tried creating a pseudo-candidature, wanting to see if the preformatted text may give me something to add related to date and I still saw nothing. - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: it is semi-manual, as the RfA page is often created at one time, but the RfA isn't "started" until the candidate is ready. The directions include a request to subst in the timestamper template we made that calculates this. That template is here: {{RfA/time}}. — xaosflux Talk 10:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
The calculation is using the timeparser: #time: H:i, j F Y "(UTC)"|+7 days. — xaosflux Talk 10:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you very much! I couldn't navigate those template's branches and I wasn't familiar with the timeparser terminology for date and time, making me basically blind to what I was searching. Thanks a lot! - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[]

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Help in graphical detailEdit

Can you help me center the archive icon on this page? The whole graphical part wasn't done by me so I'm not sure what to change in the div tags so that I'm able keep everything looking the same but fixing that one detail. - Klein Muçi (talk) 00:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: there are a lot of overlapping styles between your class, divs, and tables - it's a bit much for me to unpack. Notably, that archive template is itself another table, and it is inheriting some styling from the table you wrapped around it, which is getting its style from a declared class, which has a LOT of definitions in your site common.css. Here is a hint: w:sq:Special:Diff/2269313. I'm going to guess that your primary use of "infobox" isn't supposed to be for this type of table? — xaosflux Talk 10:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
You're totally right. That whole thing is a relic from the past. Normally I'd just rewrite it but I liked the way the three groups of elements were laid out in 3 columns (logo, name, archive) and I didn't know how to replicate that effect and that's why I was forced to keep it. That change looks overall good though. I'm guessing it's better like that than with the "broken archive". I'll keep that. (If I don't rewrite it altogether soon.) Thank you! - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Keeping on the graphical details part, what am I doing wrong at my user page that the topicons don't get sorted? I saw you had yours in a subpage. I don't think that's mandatory, no? - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:35, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: it doesn't look like you've actually done anything with that sortkey parameter once you finally get to your main topicon template, w:sq:Stampa:Top icon - compare to Template:Top icon. — xaosflux Talk 12:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
God, thanks a lot man! I've spent hours yesterday revisiting the code of each top icon template and was getting really frustrated when nothing was changing. It works now.
Last question: When I go at our main page I see a space below that is dedicated to categories, like every other page. I don't see the said space though at any of the other Wiki mainpages. Is that because I'm an admin or because other wikis have somehow hidden that? If it is the latter, any help on how we can do the same? - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: I don't think I see that, easy way to check "is it me?" is to open a private-browsing session on your browser, then you can view the page as a non-logged-in user. For what it is worth, w:sq:Faqja kryesore does currently have pending changes pending for included templates - perhaps try to resolve all of those first. — xaosflux Talk 12:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, they don't show up. I'm guessing that's just for me then. Also resolved the changes. Thank you! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:38, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: do you see any actual categories there? Does it say Kategoria: there? Check if it is some gadget or script you have enabled by trying to load that page in safemode using this link. — xaosflux Talk 12:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
No, they don't show up in that mode. It's not like I see any actual categories. It's just the "Kategoria:" part. In my mind I closed the discussion because I thought that you implied that me seeing that was because of my admin privileges and every admin sees the same at every main page of their projects but now you're putting me in doubt for the reasons. :P Truth is that the same thing happens in SqQuote. So I was going with the admin scenario. - Klein Muçi (talk) 14:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: that could be a side affect of JWB that you have loaded via meta:User:Klein Muçi/global.js - you could try to turn that off there to verify. — xaosflux Talk 15:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Just did. It has no effect. :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Just saw that the Kategori: part also has some plus signs after that. It's the HotCat gadget. I deactivated it and it got removed. I'm setting it back on now that I understood what is going on. :P :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Barnstar of Diligence
For your ever continuing help towards my technical requests and the SqWiki community in general. Thank you! Klein Muçi (talk) 12:40, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Help needed at Ks WikiEdit

Hello sir, Hope you are doing well. Actually we need help at ks.wiki as watchlist notice is not working properly. Can you have a look at it. I checked it from my account and it is not working however when i logged in with my bot account it works in desktop mode. Can you fix it so that we can view it in both modes. Thankyou. signed, Iflaq (talk) 06:00, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Iflaq: it displays for me, do you have your interface language set to ks? — xaosflux Talk 11:28, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]
If not, that's probably the problem - because this is a hack in to your mediawiki message space. If you have a very popular other language (for example English) and you want those readers to see that, you could try to copy the contents of w:ks:MediaWiki:Watchlist-summary to w:ks:MediaWiki:Watchlist-summary/en. — xaosflux Talk 11:33, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Xaosflux Thankyou for your help. Actuall we have two scripts for ks wiki and I had selected the arabic one it was not displaying in that. Now i changed it and it working in both desktop and mobile view. Thankyou once again. signed, Iflaq (talk) 13:03, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[]

No creation possibility when module is missingEdit

Hello! :)

When a template is missing, you get a redlink for it (lately).

When a module is missing, you get a red script error that sends you nowhere. Why not have a redlink to create the missing module instead? I'm sure I'm not the first one who must have said that so I strongly believe there must be a phab-task somewhere for it. Any info? - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]

@Klein Muçi: can you point me to a very simple example? (Preferably a sandbox that has only this one problem in an obvious way). — xaosflux Talk 22:41, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Sure, here you go: Link - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: I think that is just one of many errors that could be generated by that error handler so it doesn't have special wiki markup included. You may want to ask more over at mw:Extension talk:Scribunto/Lua reference manual first, or open a phab request for review under this project. — xaosflux Talk 01:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
Hmm... Interesting... I thought it would be a well-known problem around here. Thanks for the information! - Klein Muçi (talk) 01:10, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
@Klein Muçi: the #invoke module syntax is rarely used, except by people designing modules. Keep in mind that most volunteers are content editors, and even if you can get them to use a template - they have no clue about modules or LUA programming - and it's probably not worth trying to educate them in that instead of say writing or improving articles for your project. That error did used to just say missing and not also name it, but that was a fix that got added. I don't really think this is something that is worth special casing, but I'm not that much involved in scibunto so feel free to folow up. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 01:54, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]
No, I understand that. I just wanted it for my case, not for the average editor. 80% of my edits consist of copy-pasting templates and modules from EnWiki. In cases where many templates and modules are connected with each other for a specific function, before you would just get a generic error if one of them was missing. And that was an error I encountered much too often because of importation (not creation). "Lately" the software got smarter and, if a missing template was being transcluded, you'd get a clickable redlink with its name that allowed you to create it. This allows me to search for that name in EnWiki, import it and, if more templates were involved, you'd get their names redlinked in a row until you finished setting up the whole thing. It speeds up the process of having the creation page in 1 click instead of having to copy-paste the name in the search box and then start the creation. It's just 1 step faster but it helps when there are a lot of templates. Unfortunately there are always modules involved in this process and you don't get that behavior yet with modules. - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:15, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[]

Two-part RfA proposalEdit

I started a discussion at Worm That Turned's talk page asking if he was planning to propose a two-part RfA in the next phase of the RfA review. I said I might be interested in making a proposal if he wasn't going to, but I realized I hadn't been giving enough thought to the anonymous vote portion of his proposal (as in my own two-part RfA proposals in the past, I proposed having the second part occur on-wiki as usual). Would you be willing to join the discussion to outline what technical work you foresee being needed to implement something like Worm That Turned's proposal? isaacl (talk) 20:43, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[]

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