User talk:Sdkb

Wikipedia:WikiProject Editor Retention/Editor of the Week/Recipient user box

I noticed that you've edited this page in the past. I have the Editor of the Week user box on my user page and there's now a nasty big red-link instead of a link to the nomination page (or whatever). So something is wrong with the code and I don't know what. Could you please take a look and maybe fix it? I've also left this note on the last couple of editors who've edited this userbox. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 03:47, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

You can see mine at User:Shearonink#Userboxen. Shearonink (talk) 03:50, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

It looks like Nardog identified that the date was off by one and fixed it for you. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:10, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Kaitlyn Lawes changes to page

I’m trying to edit Kaitlyn Lawes Wikipedia page because there are errors I noticed on it. She is a curler and I know they are errors because I follow this sport very closely. I would like to make the changes but can’t because the site is protected. The changes I’m trying to make are the following: the current Curling Club is St. Vital CC, it should be Fort Rouge CC. This is the link to the incorrect info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Vital_Curling_Club this is the link to the info i want the incorrect info replaced https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Rouge_Curling_Club and finally the link to the site the changes need to be made on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaitlyn_Lawes Ian kerwin (talk) 04:22, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ian kerwin: Hi there! As you were advised at Wikipedia:Teahouse#Kaitlyn Lawes page, the proper place to make the request is the article's talk page: Talk:Kaitlyn Lawes. If you prefer, you may find it easier to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Saenzice (09:32, 5 March 2023)

Hello --Saenzice (talk) 09:32, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Saenzice! Please let me know if you have any questions. Happy editing! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 09:34, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from NatwonTSG2 (21:56, 12 March 2023)

how to make a great youtuber page --NatwonTSG2 (talk) 21:56, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

@NatwonTSG2, first, determine whether or not the YouTuber is notable. If they are, model it off similar articles and go by the advice at Help:Your first article. Hope that helps! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:23, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Candide1993 (03:00, 16 March 2023)

Hi, I've been mostly editing the article on my favorite art forger, Tom Keating. I'd like to add an infobox, like most articles of famous people have. I used a template I found somewhere, but it's woefully incomplete. Can you help me learn how to add a complete infobox, at the top upper right of the page, like for example, the one on the page for the artist Samuel Palmer? --Candide1993 (talk) 03:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Tom Keating  Courtesy link: Samuel Palmer

Hi @Candide1993! Thanks for helping improve that article!

For infoboxes, the first thing you want to decide is whether or not you truly want to have one. This is largely a matter of personal preference, and it's actually a fairly disputed topic in the nerdy world of Wikipedians. There's an essay, Wikipedia:Disinfoboxes, that explains some of the reasons you might not want one, and at the bottom of it is a list of refutations that argue why you do want one.

If you do want one, it should always go in the intro section; I moved it to the right spot for you. You also want to use the most specific infobox available that fits best, which in this case is probably {{Infobox artist}} (alternatively, there's {{Infobox criminal}}). Clicking on those links will go to the template's documentation, which explains all the parameters you can add to fill them out. As for how to do that, if you're using VisualEditor, just click on the infobox and go through the menu there. If you're using the source editor, copy and paste the code at Template:Infobox_artist#Usage and fill it out.

Feel free to let me know if you run into any snags and I can help. I'm also going to leave a more general welcome message at your user talk page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Sdkb,

Thanks for moving the (still woefully inadequate) infobox up on Keating's page (I wanted to, couldn't figure out how).

I very much enjoyed the Disinfoboxes essay, and most of the refutations. As a longtime user of wikipedia, and an occasional graphic designer, I think an article about a person without an info box looks like a draft, incomplete. I guess I've just come to expect them. I'm also persuaded by the arguments for giving a quick overview, with an image––nicely framed, in a box––to the people (and algorithms?) who want that. I could imagine an article becoming cluttered with boxes that overtake and distract from well-written text, but I don't recall ever seeing one.

I do strongly dislike redundancy, anywhere. I wonder... Is there any reason not to remove from the intro section anything that is put into the infobox? Candide1993 (talk) 22:18, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

I've done a tentative attempt at eliminating or reducing redundancies between Keating's infobox and the first two sections of the article, vis-a-vis birthplace, birthdate, and death date. Is this acceptable? --Candide1993 (talk) 00:50, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Candide1993: Re redundancy, I think you'd probably find different schools of thought about that if you talked to different editors. Personally, I feel that the text of the lead of an article should always be able to stand alone, so I'd be hesitant to remove info from it, even if it also appears in the infobox. But others might differ on that. (You're probably sensing a theme about how consensus works here...) Nice job filling out the infobox! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Candide1993 (06:05, 17 March 2023)

How do I italicize the last the last four words in Keating's infobox? "The Haywain in Reverse" is the title of a painting, so should be written in italics. --Candide1993 (talk) 06:05, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

@Candide1993, ah, the fields within the infobox are all going to be written in source text, which has its own markup. The markup for italics is two apostrophes, so e.g. ''Candide'' will produce Candide. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

Is their a visual editor template for citing AV media? I found and tried the technical code version but instead of looking like this (which magically appeared when I pasted it here)...

Gordon, Peter (film editor) (May 3, 1977). A Picture of Tom Keating, An Exclusive Study of a Master Faker (Television). Dedham, Essex: BBC-1.

it just added the raw code (see citation [8] at Tom Keating's article).

Also:

I assume website citations are archived, or retrieved dates noted, to reduce dead links. Where's the best place to learn more about this? Candide1993 (talk) 16:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Candide1993, the VisualEditor unfortunately doesn't currently support {{Cite AV media}}. You'll find that the VisualEditor doesn't support a lot of more advanced features; most experienced editors use raw source text (aka wiki markup) editing most of the time. It's not too hard to learn — WP:CHEATSHEET has the basics.

Regarding archiving, indeed! The best place to learn about that is WP:Link rot. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:48, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Working on Unionization

Hiya, just wanted to let you know I've started working on an article about Unionization at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Unionization. Your notice on the rewards board inspired me! I can't say how much time I will be able to consistently devote to Wikipedia in the coming weeks, so it might be a long process. Please let me know about any feedback you have at any point :) Actualcpscm (talk) 16:03, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Fantastic to hear, @Actualcpscm! Good luck! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:37, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sdkb#Userboxes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sdkb#Userboxes"Industry Overview: Journalism and Publishing". Wet Feet. Archived from the original on 2016-08-17. Retrieved 2016-07-29 174.240.250.172 (talk) 03:10, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Two years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:32, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Sdkb. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.ARamadan-WMF (talk) 12:16, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Candide1993 (14:52, 21 March 2023)

Hi Sdkb, In the Help:Page history article I found the following: ‘It is possible to restore an old revision of a page by following the link to that revision, clicking "edit" and then saving. This should be done with caution, as it means that all changes made to the page since the time of that revision will be undone.’ But the version previous to such a sweeping act of destruction is still retained, so easily restorable, right? --Candide1993 (talk) 14:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Candide1993! Yes, that's correct. Page histories are always retained, even if you revert to an earlier version. The note is there because we want to make sure that beneficial edits aren't caught up in a reversion of deleterious ones. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:25, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Candide1993 (03:04, 22 March 2023)

Hi Skdb, I remember seeing a strongly worded recommendation to not post links to YouTube do to high probability of copyright issues. How about if I just mention that they are "available on YouTube", or "online, for free." If it's only a potential liability for me, I'm not too worried about this particular example. The Channel Four television shows Keating made were aired and released on VHS in 1982 and 1983 for zone 2 only (UK, Europe), and they've never been released on DVD or any other format since. They've been on YouTube for 10 years now, with no apparent complaints. They are educational programs by design. I strongly suspect that state-owned, public broadcast Channel Four doesn't care if any one uses them anyway they like. "The public service remit for Channel 4 is the provision of a broad range of high quality and diverse programming which, in particular: makes a significant contribution to meeting the need for the licensed public service channels to include programmes of an educational nature and other programmes of educative value." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_4 Tom Keating On Painters https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tom+keating+on+painters --Candide1993 (talk) 03:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Candide1993! Where are you considering adding the links or mentions? For something like an external links section, WP:COPYVIOEL may be what you saw. I would not link to something like the TheArtyBartfast videos. They're not from Channel 4, so they're very probably copyright violations, and linking to them is not the look we want, even if YouTube has failed to flag them yet and Channel 4 might not care. There are two places I would check to see if they're available legitimately. The first is Channel 4's website, and the second is Archive.org's video library. Beyond that, we'd be pretty much out of luck. Depending on the circumstance, you could try citing the videos without linking to them (instead using any sort of ID numbers they might have). Or you could include a line in the article like "Keating made several TV shows for Channel 4," cited to any reviews that the shows got. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I just sent this message to Channel Four.

Hi,

I've been researching the life story of famous art forger Tom Keating for many years. I'm currently doing a major revision/expansion of his page on Wikipedia. Given the educational nature of the series, I'm wondering if Channel 4 might consider licensing them to Wikimedia [https://www.wikimedia.org/] or The Internet Archive [https://archive.org/] so that Wikipedia articles could link them, and the many thousands of students he's inspired over the past forty-plus years could continue to use his instructive tutorials to teach new students how to 'paint like the Old Masters.'

For now, how about I just say "Both series were released on VHS in 1983. Though no longer available to purchase, many continue to view them online to use as tutorials for art students young and old." Candide1993 (talk) 02:48, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

DYK for Pete Sutherland

On 23 March 2023, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pete Sutherland, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Vermont folk musician Pete Sutherland (pictured) hosted concerts at his house for $10—or $9 if you brought your own chair? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pete Sutherland. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Pete Sutherland), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Human history template

My dear Sdkb, how are you? Any new projects recently? I just published List of Chinese monarchs to the mainspace, so think I will stay away from lists for at least a few months now :)

Any idea how to fully expand {{Human history}} template on the Human history article? I was looking at the template code but not sure myself... Aza24 (talk) 19:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Aza24; always lovely to hear from you! Wow, that is an impressive list; are you thinking of FLCing it?

For my recent projects, as a mini-project Thriley and I had a DYK entry for Vermont folk musician Pete Sutherland appear earlier today. I've been working with BrokenSegue to implement a system in which subscriber counts in {{Infobox YouTube personality}} get updated automatically rather than manually, and we just launched an early version of it last night. And there has been lots of ongoing usability collaboration with the WMF; for instance, the Growth team may take on a project later this year to improve the article creation experience for new editors, working toward something like my vision for a better article wizard.

Now, to {{Human history}}...Looking at the template code, it would seem that {{Human history|expand=yes}} should do what you want, but...it doesn't. I'd try asking at WP:VPT or a similar venue to see if any sidebar experts want to dig into it and find the problem.

Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Definitely aiming for FLC, but first PR!

Trying to help the learning curve for new editors is a great place to put your attention. I recall having so much mindless try and error when I began WP, not really ever knowing where to start. It would be great to yet the YT subscribers update going as well... every once and a while I update David Hurwitz (music critic)'s subscribers, part of my music critics project, but it has always seemed like a rather silly thing to do manually.

I've left a comment at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#How to expand this sidebar? – Aza24 (talk) 02:48, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from WaleedZreaqat (14:16, 24 March 2023)

how do i create an article --WaleedZreaqat (talk) 14:16, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @WaleedZreaqat! Creating an article is difficult, so I'd recommend trying your hand at other tasks first. When you're ready, see Help:Your first article. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 14:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Question from Frogbend (07:10, 29 March 2023)

hey, i made a change on the Pegasus console page, it was 1990s but that was incorrect so i changed it to 1980s, can i do that? --Frogbend (talk) 07:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Good Job!

A "good job" to you for understanding humor. A lot of these joke pages just about equate to "random=funny". Panini! • 🥪 13:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Panini! I was surprised something like {{Humor editnotice}} didn't already exist, and I could use help adding it to more pages where it's relevant if any occur to you or others! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sdkb Dumb question, but how? It's been a while.

As you've probably seen I've been expanding on the Buying Wikipedia lore. The original massive block of text I added was to help with the "no" punchline, but another editor expanded on it with the whole Jerry the burger flipper schtick. They put in a lot of effort (they made a whole other article) and I wanted to Yes, and that. I'm building a lore around it.

You reckon I'd get in trouble if I made some fake user pages designed to look like real ones for lore's sake? I would declare on the page that its all humorous. I just want to know if I would get in any trouble if I made a fake "User:" page for a fake person. Panini! • 🥪 17:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding editnotices currently requires the template editor flag (more due to technical limitations than to an actual need to restrict the right); I can add it to any pages you flag. It also might or might not be possible to get it to display automatically on any page that transcludes {{Humor}} (with a parameter to opt out); remind me to look into that...

As for humorous user pages, personally my golden rule is that, so long as it's properly tagged/disclosed (which for a fake user page would mean noting in the tag that the user is not real), it's fine. But I can't speak for others. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sdkb I walk so you can run; got in trouble with Liz. Wikipedia doesn't allow user pages for users that don't exist, humor or otherwise. Now you know what not to do for your April Fools prank tomorrow. Panini! • 🥪 12:50, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and about your edit notice: I'm logging all of the Buying Wikipedia branches at User:Panini!/sandbox6, so those are all of the ones that would need that edit notice if you care to keep up with it. I thought about showing off the work at WP:APRIL2023, but that would risk a bunch of people looking at it (and most definetely editing) while on an april fools high. I like the edits from others, but you know how random the april fools crowd can get. Panini! • 🥪 03:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

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Question from Candide1993 (19:38, 1 April 2023)

Hi Sdkb, I'm hoping you can help me learn how satisfy the copyright issues for donating to wikipedia several images which were taken in the 1960s and 1970s by a friend of mine, Michael O'Kelly. He was a student and friend of Tom Keating for over ten years, from 1963 to 1974. He granted me permission to add the photo of Keating's self portrait to the infobox. This photo was deleted by https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Philafrenzy https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Self_portrait_of_Tom_Keating.jpg Philafrenzy has not responded to my requests to learn how to address his copyright concerns. He has replaced the self portrait image with another copyrighted image, apparently modified to comport with 'fair use.' This low-res image is incorrectly captioned. It could not have been taken in the 1960s. In fact it was clearly taken during the filming of the 'Renoir' episode of Keating's Channel 4 TV series, in 1983. --Candide1993 (talk) 19:38, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Candide1993! Nice to hear from you, and sorry to hear of the image frustrations.

For getting help from Philafrenzy, I notice that you didn't ping them in your replies at the deletion nomination page. Many patrollers make dozens of deletion nominations every time they edit and may not follow each one, so they may just not have seen your replies. To ping them to get their attention, just add a comment that uses {{re|Philafrenzy}} ~~~~.

Regarding donating the images to Wikipedia, it's fantastic that O'Kelly has agreed, but the proper process is unfortunately a little complex. He needs to directly write to the volunteer response team releasing the photos. This wizard can help craft the email; what I would do if he's not computer-savvy is to fill out the wizard yourself as if you were him, and then send him the language it generates for him to email. Sorry it's so convoluted; I wish it were simpler, but this way does verify that it's truly him releasing the photos.

For the particular photo of Keating's self-portrait, I have additional bad news. In order to comply with copyright, both the photo itself and the underlying work need to have valid licenses. For a photo O'Kelly took of a Keating painting, O'Kelly emailing the volunteer response team would validate the license for the photo, but not for the underlying painting. That license would be held by Keating's estate, so they would need to release it.

Lastly, on the erroneous date in the caption of the fair use image, it looks like that came from the National Portrait Gallery description. I've tagged it with {{dubious}}, but I would reach out to the NPG to have them correct it on their end.

Best, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:46, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sdkb,

Thanks for the ping tip, another new one for me.

Philafrenzy did thank me for expanding the intro section to act as a summary of the entire article, and then presumably removed the box notice suggesting this was needed.

Thanks for the wizard. It looks like I should be able to figure it out.

Incidentally, most of the Keating paintings (and drawings, sketchbooks, and letters) O'Kelly has photos of were gifts to his sister from Keating, which became part of her estate, which she bequeathed to him when she passed in 1991. He also has a half dozen paintings and drawings which Keating gave directly to him. So he should be able to release any of these, right?

For now I plan to replace the underwhelming infobox image with a photograph which actually is from the 1960s, of a younger Keating (sans beard) that Michael took in his own living room (once we sort out the licensing).

Lastly, please advise on how to change the birth and death dates in an infobox to the proper day/month/year format. I looked this up, and tried my best, with source code, with no luck.

Cheers, Candide1993. Candide1993 (talk) 22:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Candide1993, on the gifted paintings, I think probably? It would depend on if the copyright was transferred in both cases. It normally is, but not always — we've had people try to add photos of their own wedding only to realize the copyright is still with the photographer! Wikipedia:Media copyright questions is the place where people more knowledgeable about these things than me hang out, so you can always try asking there. And again, sorry copyright is such an impenetrable morass (we can thank Disney's lawyers haha).

Changing the birth/death dates to DMY format is thankfully much easier — I went ahead and did so here. I figured out how by checking the documentation, which describes the necessary parameter here.

Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 14:56, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sdkb,

O'Kelly sent two images using the wizard you sent, to photosubmission, via email, with the images attached.

He received the following reply, asking where the images have been uploaded:

From: Photo Submissions <photosubmission@wikimedia.org>

Date: Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 4:21 AM

Subject: Re: [Ticket#2023040510010911] release of content attached to this email

To: michael kelly <mokart50@gmail.com>

Dear michael kelly,

Thank you for your permission to use media file(s) on Wikimedia Commons.

For us to process your contribution(s), we need to know the specific name or link to the page(s) on Wikimedia Commons to which you have uploaded them.

If you have not yet uploaded, please continue to upload the file(s) and let us know when done.

If the file(s) were deleted, please do not attempt to re-upload them; they will be automatically restored by an administrator upon successful confirmation of permission.

Sincerely,

Alfred Neumann

Where (to which page) should he upload them? Candide1993 (talk) 23:55, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Sdkb/Dupont Circle CVS escalator

Hello, Sdkb. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Dupont Circle CVS escalator".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:29, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sdkb,

This page will keep being deleted every 6 months if it goes unedited as long as it has AFC tags on it. The AFC tag is interpreted by the bots listing expiring drafts as indicating the page is a draft that is to be submitted or has been submitted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:32, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

That page is on my watchlist. I think it's one of the funnier April Fool's jokes that's been done on the 'pedia. I hope it's restored. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:48, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

@Liz, thanks for the note. The AfC tag on the page included |demo=yes, so it should not have been deleted. Could you please restore it, along with User talk:Sdkb/Dupont Circle CVS escalator and redirect Draft:Dupont Circle CVS escalator? Apologies for the inconvenience, but the tools ought to respect the demo tag (which prevents categorization and is explicitly intended for dummy uses like this). Best, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:43, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't know much about these altered tags and how they work. But I can restore these pages for you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:57, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

I substituted out the template, which should hopefully resolve the issue for six months from now. For any other demo uses of the template, I believe @SD0001 runs the bot that creates the list of expired drafts you presumably used, so he might be able to fix it so that it respects |demo=yes and does not include those uses in the list. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:45, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

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Orphaned non-free image File:Evylena Nunn Miller.jpg

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Thanks for finding a free image to use instead, @Howcheng! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:09, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Need blind category

Categories should be supported by reliably sourced content in the article. I quickly looked at some of your additions, and I think some of the articles don't have that content. If so, please add the sourced content, or remove the category. Also, note that adding a category is not a minor edit. See WP:MINOR. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 23:22, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Sundayclose; thanks for reviewing the edits adding the category and for the note!

Yes, you are correct that adding a category is not a minor edit; I realized about half way through the run that I'd accidentally left the minor edit box checked (the AWB default) and unchecked it for the remainder.

Regarding mentions in the article, I think that every need-blind institution certainly ought to have that fact mentioned in its article. Most hopefully already do, but alas many college articles are very incomplete, so I'm not too surprised to hear that some don't. Please feel free to add mentions to those; the list at Need-blind admission has sources for most (and is what I used as the basis for the category members).

Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:53, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Not to be argumentative, but the burden to provide reliable sources is on the editor who makes the edit, which is you, not me. As I said, you should either add the sourced content, or remove the category, per WP:V. Thanks. Sundayclose (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough. Just let me know which articles you noticed that don't included sourced mentions, and I'll go add citations to them. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 01:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

No, again, the responsibility is on you. You made the edits. You should have checked the articles for proper sourcing before adding the category. No offense, but please don't try to shift the responsibility here. Sundayclose (talk) 01:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I think many editors would interpret WP:BURDEN to require that one specify which edits are being challenged. Overall, please remember that Wikipedia is a work in progress, and as such incremental improvements (including valid categorizations) are helpful. Decrying such improvements unless they also come along with the much more intensive work of modifying article bodies has the practical effect of demolishing the house before construction has even begun.

With that said, for this case, since I have an interest in the topic area, I've begun going through the 60-odd articles in the category and adding sentences about need-blind status. This work will take some time (many of the institutions currently lack an admissions section entirely, so the basic structure of that will need to be added as well to provide an adequate frame), so your patience is appreciated. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:09, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

I've tried to not be argumentative here, but you've made one excuse after another to shirk your responsibility. First you tell me to add the sourced content, even though you added the categories. Then you tell me I should do your job for you, cull through dozens of articles looking for a citation, and let you know which articles are not properly sourced. And now you're distorting WP:BURDEN to try to avoid responsibility. BURDEN doesn't say that others must tell you which of your mass additions of a category are not properly sourced. Instead it states: "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material." BURDEN applies for all edits, not just those that someone has bothered to challenge. And that's especially true if someone points out to you that your mass additions of a category includes articles that don't have adequate sources. If that's not enough to convince you, WP:CATV states: "It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories." If you had time to indiscriminately add a category to dozens of articles, you had time to do a quick check to see which articles had proper sources for the category. However, I do appreciate you finally working on the problem you created. Sundayclose (talk) 13:58, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Circling back to note that I have completed adding sourced mentions of need-blind status to every institution added to the category that didn't already have them. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:19, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your work adding need-blind admissions info to college and university articles

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	Thanks for your work adding need-blind admissions info to college and university articles! ElKevbo (talk) 22:17, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, ElKevbo! Definitely glad to have the info now there. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:24, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

User page

Thanks for the information. I did not want to cause any major problem intentionally, especially over something as small as a user page that was not getting many pageviews anyway. That was just a personal preference to help myself and any one who stumbled upon it. Rules are rules. Guidelines are guidelines. They exist for a reason. The page has been changed. Just let me know if anything else needs to be done. Red Director (talk) 14:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Red Director! I left a Barnstar for you as a token of appreciation. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:10, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for creating the pronoun Uw <3 -Asheiou (they/them • talk) 15:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Much thanks, Asheiou! I've never gotten that template quite to a point where I feel it would work well in the wild, as there's a certain amount of stigma associated with using any user warning template, and it seems like overkill for what is (generally, hopefully) an innocent mistake. But I appreciate the recognition of the effort, and I hope it'll at least offer some possible wording to those looking to write a personal note. And maybe in the future there will be a cultural or design shift that makes it easier to use user warnings more gently. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:44, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

For the record...

... I didn't delete any sections at The Daily Campus; you're misattributing the edit. – .Raven  ^.talk 03:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for the correction! I wish those automatic edit summaries were a little more sensical. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Template:Vital article TfD closed

Hi Sdkb, I've just closed the long TfD regarding {{Vital article}} against your proposal to merge to {{Talk header}}. Unfortunately, editors were vague on their alternative preference, so the topic is ripe for future proposal (WPBannerMeta-ify and move with other WP templates? Add text to the actual WP Banner shell as you explicitly suggested?). Anyway, I just wanted to pop by to let you know, and to say that I appreciate your creative efforts to deal with these banners. The Talk header icon idea was clever, and I personally quite liked the look; I hope the fact that this particular idea wasn't endorsed by the group isn't too discouraging, and that you'll keep at it. All the best, Ajpolino (talk) 15:20, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the close and the note, @Ajpolino! As much as it would've been simpler to have a more direct result, I agree with your reading that many !voters were ambiguous about what they meant by "merge". I'll open a follow-up discussion to help clarify that, and ping you/the participants. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 17:22, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Vital article talk banner discussion

Hi Sdkb. I have some concerns and queries about the current discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Vital_Articles#TfD_follow-up:_Fate_of_the_vital_article_talk_banner. As this is a discussion which has a wide impact to the project, and which has a suggestion which is essentially against the interests of the Vital Articles project, it seems it would be more appropriate / more neutral to hold the discussion in a place other than the talkpage of the Vital Articles project. Yes, they should be informed, but holding the discussion there, and simply pinging selected others is not giving the discussion the wide and neutral audience it should have (ie, those who are not in the Vital Article project or who have not taken part in previous discussions are less likely to find it). Also, the set up of the templates gives the appearance that option 2 (placing within) is removing Vital Articles, as in the second version it cannot be seen unless the template is clicked; and then when it is clicked, the importance rating is not shown. This might lead people to vote against it as it appears to treat Vital Articles as lesser than other projects rather than equal to. Also, and this is more a query than a concern, I am not familiar with the version of {{WikiProject banner shell}} that is being used in the discussion. The version I am familiar with is this one,

which shows the level and the class of Vital Articles (I do think, though, that more work needs to be done on the Vital article template to make it fit more neatly into the banner in the same way as the other project banners). Where did you find the version of WikiProject banner shell that you are using? I kinda like it, but am not familiar with it. SilkTork (talk) 14:21, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi @SilkTork; good questions! I think you have a point re the venue, and I'll keep that in mind for future proposals. For this one, in addition to the pings to the many prior discussion participants, I also notified several projects/templates that seemed relevant, and I'd be happy to send out additional invites if there are any relevant places I missed. Many of those have more watchers than the vital articles talk page, and overall the discussion participants so far seem to be mostly editors from the TfD (which itself had a very wide audience since it was advertised at every transclusion of {{Talk header}}).

Regarding the mockups, I used the collapsed layout as most vital articles are "big" articles that have many projects and will therefore have autocollapsed talk banners. Headbomb had the same query about why the level rating is not included in a parenthetical the same as importance ratings at traditional projects. I left that out because I'm not sure it's technically feasible given how {{WPBannerMeta}} is set up. Level ratings are different than project importance ratings (in both meaning and function, but function is the relevant part here), and my past experience has been that it's a pretty rigid template that might not be able to accommodate them without a major reworking that editors there might oppose.

To your last query, there has been recent discussion on converting {{Vital article}} to use WPBannerMeta, which would make it look/behave more similarly to traditional project banners. Most "place within" !voters seemed to be seeking that outcome, so I thought it only fair to them to show that in the mockup. (N.b. I intentionally used could in what [option] could look like to communicate that the mockups are not set in stone.) I created the version of {{Vital article}} used in the mockup from scratch via Special:ExpandTemplates, so there's no functioning version yet, but it could be pretty easily created by modifying the current sandbox version, which features a rough implementation of WPBannerMeta.

I hope that all helps clarify! Happy to answer any other questions you have. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter #26

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Remove User:Pahunkat from mentors

Please do so, Pahunkat hasn't been answering their talk page questions. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 02:31, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Sungodtemple! (my mentor, lol!) The list of mentors is at Special:ManageMentors, and it's editable by admins. I'm not an admin, but you could I think submit an edit request at Wikipedia talk:Growth Team features/Mentor list. Thanks for spotting the issue and working to resolve it. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh wait. I made a section on WT:GTF about the problem, then automatically thought you were an admin. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

A flattering mistake :) {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:08, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Question from Tu it to man (09:43, 5 June 2023)

Can I copy some of the sentence from other Wikipedia page for editing --Tu it to man (talk) 09:43, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Tu it to man! Yes, you can copy from other Wikipedia articles, but you need to note that you have done so in the edit summary for licensing reasons. See WP:Copying within Wikipedia. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 14:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)