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Thanks for the info, Elmidae! I added tons of sources to the article, so that almost all claims are now cited (the few that aren't are marked as "citation needed"). Regarding notability (WP:NOTE), the article now includes two citations (an L.A. Times feature on TSL's sex column and an article by Fox News about TSL's decision to offer a space for minority students) that are full-length feature articles in a national media outlet specifically focusing on TSL itself (as opposed to just its reporting). If that doesn't qualify as "in-depth coverage by multiple independent 3rd party sources," I'm not sure what would. The article at this point is more thoroughly cited/contains more third-party references than that of The Harvard Crimson. — Sdkb (talk) 01:58, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Nice job! I think it would pass muster now if the AfD was repeated (not my place to say, but educated guess :). Thanks for your efforts! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:56, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

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Okay, I fixed it; thanks! - Sdkb (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

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Hi SkyGazer 512, and thanks for the edits! I don't have the expertise to expand the article much beyond its current state, but hopefully some other editors can. Regarding notability, there should be no question that the Courier qualifies. It meets criteria 1-4 for newspapers at WP:NMEDIA, any one of which would be sufficient to establish notability. I added an external reference to better establish criteria 1 and removed the tag. - Sdkb (talk) 21:52, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Thank you very much! You are indeed correct. I originally tagged it for notability because the only sources were to the website and therefore primary. WP:NMAG states that even if an article meet any of those 4 criteria, it has to have reliable sources proving that the information is accurate; per WP:Identifying reliable sources, reliable sources should be secondary sources, not usually the subject's website. However, the source you added seems reliable and independent enough to meet the notability guidelines; therefore, you were correct to remove the tag. Thanks again and let me know if you have any questions! Cheers, --SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 00:07, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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@Domdeparis: It does say that periodicals is the main article, but that seems to refer more to academic journals, so I'm not sure it's accurate to say that that is the more relevant guide for notability; it seems better to use the guideline at Wikipedia:Notability (media), which is purposefully inclusive given that the media does not often report on itself. But if you're not sold on criterion 1 (as SkyGazer was above), it's easy to establish criterion 4, since the Courier is frequently cited by the L.A. Times, which is a reliable source. I added a reference to establish that and removed the tag. - Sdkb (talk) 03:57, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

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I recently made an edit to Londonderry NH that you saw and commented on. I have a question/concern about the statement "Londonderry was the second largest town in early colonial times" that is on that page. It is indicated as requiring clarification. I shall be adding additional information concerning the evolution of Londonderry, Derry, Windham etc. but I am unaware of any reference claiming it was the second largest town. In fact I am rather suspicious of that claim as it was initially about 100 square miles. Dunstable (became Nashua) was initially more that 200 square miles so plenty of scope for other towns between those two limits. None the less I'm uncomfortable just deleting that claim as I have no hard evidence.

Can you look over my next addition and make an adjustment as you see fit?

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Hi @DavisEllis2: Given that the statement is already unclear (i.e. second largest town out of what?), I wouldn't be surprised if it was also inaccurate. From your edits, it seems like you know a lot about Londonderry's history, so I deferred to your inclination and took that out. If you run into similar situations in the future, go ahead and make the edits yourself; if you need encouragement, I'd suggest reading WP:BEBOLD. - Sdkb (talk) 00:28, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Jail movieEdit

Hey sir, I just saw you added templates for not having correct informations in the Jail (upcoming movie), because I didn't finish the article clearly and you have added the templates. So if it's my mistake or any errors in the article could you reply me what it is.Thank you.rupa$$$ (talk) 12:00, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

@Rupalavanyan: it looks like others have since fixed the issues I identified, and the page is developing at Jail (upcoming film). Cheers, Sdkb (talk) 22:03, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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@Swarm:Thanks for the heads up. I'm not sure I would characterize what's happening at that article as edit warring, as I only undid JohnInDC's reversion on the investigation update once and have been actively facilitating the discussion on the talk page on every matter where there is a current lack of consensus. If you're posting this just from glancing at the edit history, you may be conflating the investigation discussion with the parking discussion, which is completely separate — after JohnInDC reverted my edit on the latter, we both immediately moved to the talk page. Cheers, Sdkb (talk) 05:49, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

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@Ronhjones: As I noted when I uploaded the file, it comes from the page on G. Gabrielle Starr's profile at Pomona College's website titled "for the media",[1] so the photo is explicitly being put there so that it can be used on other websites. Given those circumstances, if I made any mistakes in the licensing classification, please feel free to let me know and/or make a correction. If what Pomona has on their website isn't sufficient licensing to be able to use on Wikipedia, please also let me know and I can reach out to Pomona to request they fix the licensing. - Sdkb (talk) 19:36, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
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@Ronhjones: Ah, that makes sense. I was looking for something like a "for Wikipedia use only" category, but if that doesn't exist, it might not be feasible to host the photo until Pomona releases it under a specific license. Thanks for the clarification! - Sdkb (talk) 20:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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SportingFlyer talk 09:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Sporting Flyer! That's a bit of a belated welcome to Wikipedia, given my 10-year editing history haha. I respectfully disagree with the PROD, for the reasons I noted on the page. Feel free to continue the discussion there if you still have concerns after taking a second look. Cheers, Sdkb (talk) 09:42, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
@Sdkb: I think it's a standard boilerplate script template, I certainly didn't write it myself! I'll look at nominating it for deletion soon as it doesn't pass WP:NORG as the sourcing standard we have for organisations is high and the ones that are there don't meet it in my opinion, but if you think more sources exist or you want a chance to improve the article I'm happy to hold off for a bit. Thanks! SportingFlyer talk 09:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
@SportingFlyer: Could you clarify what aspects of the three news articles don't meet the WP:NORG standard? I'm not familiar with the standards there specifically, but I'd assume they don't supercede the GNG, and the three articles I provided seemed to pass the GNG, as they're all from independent outlets providing non-incidental coverage. There are about 250 Google News results for the site, so if there are specific things wrong with those sources, I could swap them out for others. - Sdkb (talk) 09:52, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
@Sdkb: WP:NORG is frequently interpreted as a "heightened" standard of WP:GNG. In terms of sources Alexa - not a reliable source for notability, but I don't think you were using it as such; Snapmunk - this one might be okay, but it may also be a sponsored blog post ("according to the company", and the article seems to use marketing materials); Good.is - has a H/T to Photofeeler, meaning this was likely a press release or non-independent coverage, and isn't significant coverage; KTLA - this one also might be okay. Maybe I was wrong to PROD it, but it's definitely borderline - are there any other quality sources out there? SportingFlyer talk 23:31, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
@SportingFlyer: Ah, all that makes sense. For other sources, there's this one. I can't get past the paywall on this one, but it looks like it might qualify. - Sdkb (talk) 00:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

File:Photofeeler logo.pngEdit

Hi, I'm RonBot, a script that checks new non-free file uploads. I have found that the subject image that you recently uploaded was more than 5% in excess of the Non-free content guideline size of 100,000 pixels. I have tagged the image for a standard reduction, which (for jpg/gif/png/svg files) normally happens within a day. Please check the reduced image, and make sure that the image is not excessively corrupted. Other files will be added to Category:Wikipedia non-free file size reduction requests for manual processing. There is a full seven-day period before the original oversized image will be hidden; during that time you might want to consider editing the original image yourself (perhaps an initial crop to allow a smaller reduction or none at all). A formula for the calculation of the desired size can be found at WP:Image resolution, along with instructions on how to tag the image in the rare cases that it requires an oversized image (typically about 0.2% of non-free uploads are tagged as necessarily oversized). Please contact the bot owner if you have any questions, or you can ask them at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. See User:RonBot for info on how to not get these messages. RonBot (talk) 18:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Template the regularsEdit

I saw your discussion, and have I got a template for you:

  Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

Ibadibam (talk) 21:18, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Hahaha that's perfect in multiple ways! Thanks! - Sdkb (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17Edit

Hello Sdkb,

News
Discussions of interest
  • Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
  • {{db-blankdraft}} was merged into G13 (Discussion)
  • A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
  • There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.
Reminders
  • NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.
NPP Tools Report
  • Superlinks – allows you to check an article's history, logs, talk page, NPP flowchart (on unpatrolled pages) and more without navigating away from the article itself.
  • copyvio-check – automatically checks the copyvio percentage of new pages in the background and displays this info with a link to the report in the 'info' panel of the Page curation toolbar.
  • The NPP flowchart now has clickable hyperlinks.

Six Month Queue Data: Today – Low – 2393 High – 4828
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Contra buddies?Edit

Dear Sdkb,

You and I seem to be among the most active editors of the page on Contra dance, and, given the relatively small size of the contra community, I wonder if we know each other. I'm guessing from your other edits that you went to college in California, and, perhaps, still live there. I live in Maryland, and consider Glen Echo and Baltimore to be my home dances. I've gone to Flurry for the last 6 years, so we've probably been in the same line. Shall we dance? Paulmlieberman (talk) 00:47, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

@Paulmlieberman: Perhaps we have! I'd love to continue building up the contra dance pages on Wikipedia — they have a lot of good content but also seem very 2008ish and could use an update. - Sdkb (talk) 02:13, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

User serial comma templateEdit

Hi,

Your edit to the User serial comma template have resulted in this happening when you invoke it using 'no':

A, B and CThis user prefers not to use the serial comma.


Could you please fix it?

Thanks, Gazamp (talk) 16:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Oops, thanks for letting me know; I'll take a look. - Sdkb (talk) 16:32, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it so quickly.   Gazamp (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Don't edit others' Talk page contributionsEdit

Never edit or move someone's comment to change its meaning. ElKevbo (talk) 00:42, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

@ElKevbo: I was editing a section heading to accurately depict the conversation taking place therein. In the guideline you link, the list of "examples of appropriately editing others' comments" includes the following: "Section headings: Because threads are shared by multiple editors (regardless how many have posted so far), no one, including the original poster, "owns" a talk page discussion or its heading. It is generally acceptable to change headings when a better heading is appropriate, e.g., one more descriptive of the content of the discussion or the issue discussed, less one-sided, more appropriate for accessibility reasons, etc." As I mentioned in my edit summary, if you have specific objections to the header I wrote, feel free to let me know or propose an alternative. - Sdkb (talk) 00:48, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
The heading that was originally used is perfectly appropriate; if you want to open a different discussion, feel free to do so. ElKevbo (talk) 01:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
@ElKevbo: I would disgree, as it cuts out the crucial first part of the clause under discussion, and by so doing gives a misleading impression. - Sdkb (talk) 01:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18Edit

Hello Sdkb,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

  • Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
  • Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.
Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.

News
Discussions of interest

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HiEdit

Hi. Would you mind enabling 'e-mail this user' please? Or e-mailing me.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Zigzig20s, I prefer not to use the email feature so as to keep Wikipedia as open as possible, but feel free to let me know what's on your mind. - Sdkb (talk) 18:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Leo Burnett Tailor Made for deletionEdit

 

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Leo Burnett Tailor Made is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Leo Burnett Tailor Made until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:09, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!Edit

  Thanks for making the article. I want all of your content kept but in the main company article. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
@Bluerasberry: Thanks for the coffee! To clarify, I created the page as a redirect to the main page; the editor who turned it into an article is User:The Anome. I agree with you that it should be merged. - Sdkb (talk) 16:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Connected contributor tags for Wikipedia-related article talk pagesEdit

Hi Sdkb, I noticed that you placed a variant of the {{Connected contributor}} tag on these Wikipedia-related article talk pages:

While all Wikipedia editors are associated with Wikipedia, I don't think that merely being a Wikipedia user is strong enough of a connection to constitute a "general conflict of interest" as described in Template:Connected contributor/doc. This is the same reason that being a user of a social network, an owner of a product, and a citizen of a country don't count as conflicts of interest in the vast majority of cases. Would you consider removing the connected contributor tags from these talk pages? — Newslinger talk 08:38, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Newslinger! I agree with you that it's a bit of a fuzzy line. Per WP:EXTERNALREL, the exact strength of the connection needed for it to be an issue is left up to our judgement, but I wanted to err on the side of including the notice in these cases for a few reasons. (1) I think the connection many editors feel to Wikipedia is a little stronger than, say, your average Facebook user feels to Facebook. (2) Since this is a potential COI that applies so widely, there's greater risk to ignoring it. (3) I think many editors have what could be described as a pro-Wikipedia bias (see, for instance, some of the discussion recently around The North Face), and thus, it's important to have the NPOV policy top of mind, which is linked in the notice I added. (4) I can't really think of any real downside to having it there, even in the case that it's not urgently needed. Sdkb (talk) 21:22, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019Edit

Hello Sdkb,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

More new features are being added to the feed, including the important red alert for previously deleted pages. This will only work if it is selected in your filters. Best is to 'select all'. Do take a moment to check out all the new features if you have not already done so. If anything is not working as it should, please let us know at NPR. There is now also a live queue of AfC submissions in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to review AfCs, but bear in mind that NPP is an official process and policy and is more important.

QUALITY of REVIEWING

Articles are still not always being checked thoroughly enough. If you are not sure what to do, leave the article for a more experienced reviewer. Please be on the alert for any incongruities in patrolling and help your colleagues where possible; report patrollers and autopatrolled article creators who are ostensibly undeclared paid editors. The displayed ORES alerts offer a greater 'at-a-glance' overview, but the new challenges in detecting unwanted new content and sub-standard reviewing do not necessarily make patrolling any easier, nevertheless the work may have a renewed interest factor of a different kind. A vibrant community of reviewers is always ready to help at NPR.

Backlog

The backlog is still far too high at between 7,000 and 8,000. Of around 700 user rights holders, 80% of the reviewing is being done by just TWO users. In the light of more and more subtle advertising and undeclared paid editing, New Page Reviewing is becoming more critical than ever.

Move to draft

NPR is triage, it is not a clean up clinic. This move feature is not limited to bios so you may have to slightly re-edit the text in the template before you save the move. Anything that is not fit for mainspace but which might have some promise can be draftified - particularly very poor English and machine and other low quality translations.

Notifying users

Remember to use the message feature if you are just tagging an article for maintenance rather than deletion. Otherwise articles are likely to remain perma-tagged. Many creators are SPA and have no intention of returning to Wikipedia. Use the feature too for leaving a friendly note note for the author of a first article you found well made or interesting. Many have told us they find such comments particularly welcoming and encouraging.

PERM

Admins are now taking advantage of the new time-limited user rights feature. If you have recently been accorded NPR, do check your user rights to see if this affects you. Depending on your user account preferences, you may receive automated notifications of your rights changes. Requests for permissions are not mini-RfAs. Helpful comments are welcome if absolutely necessary, but the bot does a lot of the work and the final decision is reserved for admins who do thorough research anyway.

Other news

School and academic holidays will begin soon in various places around the Western world. Be on the lookout for the usual increase in hoax, attack, and other junk pages.

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Rollback grantedEdit

Hi Sdkb. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have enabled rollback on your account. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

  • Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
  • Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
  • Rollback should never be used to edit war.
  • If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
  • Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! ~Swarm~ {sting} 03:32, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Claremont, CaliforniaEdit

Regarding this edit summary, please be civil to editors who don't share your particular style of editing. When editors encounter unsourced content, some may wish to find sources for it, while others might tag or delete it. A consensus of editors have agreed that all three choices are acceptable. Please take a moment to read WP:SUMMARYNO. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Magnolia677! The summary I used when reverting your edit reads as pretty lighthearted to me, but since it seems to have come off otherwise to you, I offer my apology. Regarding editing style, could you point me to the consensus for deleting content like you did? It was pretty clearly a constructive edit, and to immediately get rid of it rather than tagging it for a citation bit the newbie and would have prevented other editors from building on the content if I hadn't noticed (see WP:DONOTDEMOLISH). - Sdkb (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
Please see WP:BURDEN. As for the Pie Day Festival, the IP editor who added it would have re-added it with a source once they noticed it had been deleted. This was the IP editors only edit, so clearly it was important to them. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Altes RathausEdit

Thank you for reviewing the disambig Altes Rathaus I've created! Just a hint: it wasn't necessary to create the talk page, see Template:WikiProject_Disambiguation#Usage. --Cyfal (talk) 22:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Ah, that's good to know; thanks! Sdkb (talk) 22:33, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter September-October 2019Edit

Hello Sdkb,

Backlog

Instead of reaching a magic 300 as it once did last year, the backlog approaching 6,000 is still far too high. An effort is also needed to ensure that older unsuitable older pages at the back of the queue do not get automatically indexed for Google.

Coordinator

A proposal is taking place here to confirm a nominated user as Coordinator of NPR.

This month's refresher course

Why I Hate Speedy Deleters, a 2008 essay by long since retired Ballonman, is still as valid today. Those of us who patrol large numbers of new pages can be forgiven for making the occasional mistake while others can learn from their 'beginner' errors. Worth reading.

Deletion tags

Do bear in mind that articles in the feed showing the trash can icon (you will need to have 'Nominated for deletion' enabled for this in your filters) may have been tagged by inexperienced or non NPR rights holders using Twinkle. They require your further verification.

Paid editing

Please be sure to look for the tell-tale signs of undisclosed paid editing. Contact the creator if appropriate, and submit the issue to WP:COIN if necessary. WMF policy requires paid editors to connect to their adverts.

Subject-specific notability guidelines' (SNG). Alternatives to deletion
  • Reviewers are requested to familiarise themselves once more with notability guidelines for organisations and companies.
  • Blank-and-Redirect is a solution anchored in policy. Please consider this alternative before PRODing or CSD. Note however, that users will often revert or usurp redirects to re-create deleted articles. Do regularly patrol the redirects in the feed.
Not English
  • A common issue: Pages not in English or poor, unattributed machine translations should not reside in main space even if they are stubs. Please ensure you are familiar with WP:NPPNE. Check in Google for the language and content, and if they do have potential, tag as required, then move to draft. Modify the text of the template as appropriate before sending it.
Tools

Regular reviewers will appreciate the most recent enhancements to the New Pages Feed and features in the Curation tool, and there are still more to come. Due to the wealth of information now displayed by ORES, reviewers are strongly encouraged to use the system now rather than Twinkle; it will also correctly populate the logs.

Stub sorting, by SD0001: A new script is available for adding/removing stub tags. See User:SD0001/StubSorter.js, It features a simple HotCat-style dynamic search field. Many of the reviewers who are using it are finding it an improvement upon other available tools.

Assessment: The script at User:Evad37/rater makes the addition of Wikiproject templates extremely easy. New page creators rarely do this. Reviewers are not obliged to make these edits but they only take a few seconds. They can use the Curation message system to let the creator know what they have done.

DannyS712 bot III is now patrolling certain categories of uncontroversial redirects. Curious? Check out its patrol log.

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New Page Review newsletter November 2019Edit

Hello Sdkb,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

There are now 707 holders of the New Page Reviewer flag! Most of you requested the user right to be able to do something about the huge backlog but it's still roughly less than 10% doing 90% of the work. Now it's time for action.
Exactly one year ago there were 'only' 3,650 unreviewed articles, now we will soon be approaching 7,000 despite the growing number of requests for the NPR user right. If each reviewer soon does only 2 reviews a day over five days, the backlog will be down to zero and the daily input can then be processed by every reviewer doing only 1 review every 2 days - that's only a few minutes work on the bus on the way to the office or to class! Let's get this over and done with in time to relax for the holidays.
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Our next newsletter will announce the winners of some really cool awards.

Coordinator

Admin Barkeep49 has been officially invested as NPP/NPR coordinator by a unanimous consensus of the community. This is a complex role and he will need all the help he can get from other experienced reviewers.

This month's refresher course

Paid editing is still causing headaches for even our most experienced reviewers: This official Wikipedia article will be an eye-opener to anyone who joined Wikipedia or obtained the NPR right since 2015. See The Hallmarks to know exactly what to look for and take time to examine all the sources.

Tools
  • It is now possible to select new pages by date range. This was requested by reviewers who want to patrol from the middle of the list.
  • It is now also possible for accredited reviewers to put any article back into the New Pages Feed for re-review. The link is under 'Tools' in the side bar.
Reviewer Feedback

Would you like feedback on your reviews? Are you an experienced reviewer who can give feedback to other reviewers? If so there are two new feedback pilot programs. New Reviewer mentorship will match newer reviewers with an experienced reviewer with a new reviewer. The other program will be an occasional peer review cohort for moderate or experienced reviewers to give feedback to each other. The first cohort will launch November 13.

Second set of eyes
  • Not only are New Page Reviewers the guardians of quality of new articles, they are also in a position to ensure that pages are being correctly tagged for deletion and maintenance and that new authors are not being bitten. This is an important feature of your work, especially while some routine tagging for deletion can still be carried out by non NPR holders and inexperienced users. Read about it at the Monitoring the system section in the tutorial. If you come across such editors doing good work, don't hesitate to encourage them to apply for NPR.
  • Do be sure to have our talk page on your watchlist. There are often items that require reviewers' special attention, such as to watch out for pages by known socks or disruptive editors, technical issues and new developments, and of course to provide advice for other reviewers.
Arbitration Committee

The annual ArbCom election will be coming up soon. All eligible users will be invited to vote. While not directly concerned with NPR, Arbcom cases often lead back to notability and deletion issues and/or actions by holders of advanced user rights.

Community Wish list

There is to be no wish list for WMF encyclopedias this year. We thank Community Tech for their hard work addressing our long list of requirements which somewhat overwhelmed them last year, and we look forward to a successful completion.


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Google Code-In 2019 is coming - please mentor some documentation tasks!Edit

Hello,

Google Code-In, Google-organized contest in which the Wikimedia Foundation participates, starts in a few weeks. This contest is about taking high school students into the world of opensource. I'm sending you this message because you recently edited a documentation page at the English Wikipedia.

I would like to ask you to take part in Google Code-In as a mentor. That would mean to prepare at least one task (it can be documentation related, or something else - the other categories are Code, Design, Quality Assurance and Outreach) for the participants, and help the student to complete it. Please sign up at the contest page and send us your Google account address to google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org, so we can invite you in!

From my own experience, Google Code-In can be fun, you can make several new friends, attract new people to your wiki and make them part of your community.

If you have any questions, please let us know at google-code-in-admins@lists.wikimedia.org.

Thank you!

--User:Martin Urbanec (talk) 21:58, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

About VAEdit

Hi, Sdkb. I have been looking on your edits in the past and I noted you very often was invloved in general discussions about improving that project, for example here, [Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Core biographies#RFC: Subpage of Vital Article project? here] or recently on the Village Pump. As you know, many users (for example me and perhaps mot from abroad) have been brough to this project thank to meta but now when level 5 exist, apparently many users brought to the project thank to templates on the talk pages. IMO we could finally reach to conensus relevant to discussion about bot on the level 5, to run bot for adding templates to the talk pages and brough more users to VA. If we would make "Requests for bots" while ago, perhaps bot would be already. What do you think? Dawid2009 (talk) 20:46, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, Dawid. The lack of bot maintenance certainly troubles me as well, and I just chimed in to support making a bot request. Sdkb (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
I asked about that again on the talk page. I even told that I will go ahead with that in next few days but in the end I did not find time for that during christmas season. I am also wondering about adding two new columns to the page on the level 5. These two which you see on my sandbox would be VERY usegfull for us to review which sections were more cared (controlled more in consensual and procedural way) and which sections should be more careful and potentially are haotic. One column also include pageviews from last 20 days. I tried add from last-years/whole-time but it is not possible to uploading on the server. Maybe including parametr with pageviews from last 20 days would be useful but if we engage bot who would be involved in editing that page. Personally I think that it would be something indeed useful because of: 1 New users would not be misleaded that vital articles had long-time consensus and they would feel more free to be opened and innovative in the project 2If bot would edit the page at least one time a week, by the way the bot could also prove to our project editors who patrol recent changes. How you understood that my post on your talk? And what do you think about that idea? Cheers Dawid2009 (talk) 18:43, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder about the bot troubles. I went ahead and put in a bot request; feel free to add on if I missed anything. Your data in the table on VA5 looks interesting; maybe present it to the project page along with any insights you've gained from it and see what people say? Sdkb (talk) 19:29, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019Edit

 

Reviewer of the Year

This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.

Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

Top 10 Reviewers over the last 365 days
Rank Username Num reviews Log
1 Rosguill (talk) 47,395 Patrol Page Curation
2 Onel5969 (talk) 41,883 Patrol Page Curation
3 JTtheOG (talk) 11,493 Patrol Page Curation
4 Arthistorian1977 (talk) 5,562 Patrol Page Curation
5 DannyS712 (talk) 4,866 Patrol Page Curation
6 CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk) 3,995 Patrol Page Curation
7 DragonflySixtyseven (talk) 3,812 Patrol Page Curation
8 Boleyn (talk) 3,655 Patrol Page Curation
9 Ymblanter (talk) 3,553 Patrol Page Curation
10 Cwmhiraeth (talk) 3,522 Patrol Page Curation

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

Redirect autopatrol

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.

Source Guide Discussion

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.

This month's refresher course

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.

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question re modern history articleEdit

Hi. I saw your message at the WikiProject History talk page, about the status of the article Modern history. what happened with that? feel free to let me know. I am a corrdinator now at that WikiProject. thanks! --Sm8900 (talk) 20:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sm8900; it's nice to hear from you! Since we never (at least that I could tell) heard from any history-focused Wikipedians, we basically ended up vetting the merge ourselves. The rationale offered by the Wikipedian who did the merge appeared reasonable, so we let it stand, but there was some lingering concern that there wasn't more thorough review by more qualified Wikipedians. Here's the discussion to read to get caught up; I'd certainly be interested to know if you have any strong views. Sdkb (talk) 21:36, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Hi Sdkb. that's terrific. actually, can you drop by the page for Wikipedia:WikiProject History? We can use you there!!! I've been trying to build up editor interest and activity, ever since I became lead coordinator a few weeks ago. i'd like to get you over there, and get your active input and interest. any editors with active interests in these topics are highly welcome there.
if you want, just go there and post an introduction for yourself, in the specific section on our talk page for that. After that, I have a few ways that you can get more involved. I hope you'll at least come by. i really appreciate it. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 21:39, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter February 2020Edit

Hello Sdkb,

Source Guide Discussion

The first NPP source guide discussion is now underway. It covers a wide range of sources in Ghana with the goal of providing more guidance to reviewers about sources they might see when reviewing pages. Hopefully, new page reviewers will join others interested in reliable sources and those with expertise in these sources to make the discussion a success.

Redirects

New to NPP? Looking to try something a little different? Consider patrolling some redirects. Redirects are relatively easy to review, can be found easily through the New Pages Feed. You can find more information about how to patrol redirects at WP:RPATROL.

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Refresher

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"Racial conservatism" listed at Redirects for discussionEdit

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Racial conservatism. Since you had some involvement with the Racial conservatism redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Utopes (talk / cont) 23:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help pagesEdit

post copied from other page.... hope you don't mind.--Moxy 🍁 02:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

@Moxy: It looks like there was a proposal (that I would've supported) to redirect WP:Tutorial to Help:Introduction in 2018, but it didn't get enough consensus to pass (largely from editors unhappy with the visual editor). You were among the voices opposing it, although not for that reason; have the pages or your views shifted since then? I'm still trying to catch up on all the history, so any context is appreciated. As for the WP:Adventure, I think it does have a place, particularly for younger editors looking for a very visual/interactive tutorial, but it should be secondary; we need to fix whatever mobile issues Help:Introduction has first. Regarding that, any suggestions on where on WP to go to find someone to do it? Sdkb (talk) 00:07, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

This is hard to answer as it's a 3 part answer. I think most readers will find an article style help page more useful. Because they're more familiar with it and have the ability to navigate it with a TOC and Ctrl F option on a PC (thus allowing them to search all topics on one page). So my opinion would be to drop all the "cool looking" non normal formats. That said after doing this for over a decade I understand that there are many approaches and for some (even if a minority) like different formats to consume information. Because of this Help:Getting started (that lists them all in a list format over the same thing in prose at contributing to Wikipedia page) is what I recommend as the target page for new registered users.
In my view direct all these new user to Contributing to Wikipedia would be more beneficial overall....but again I understand others feel differently. Main problem with "tabs" and "next" styles is usability in mobile view... Help:Introduction has mini text is many places well below the accessibility threshold and stacks the info causing a huge white space....... WP:Tutorial has tabs that make the whole page to side scroll for many or tabs need scrolling to see them all (thus hiding the last 2 or 3 tabs for many). Both have element not compatible with mobile view and are out of the norm for our readers to recognize.--Moxy 🍁 02:10, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
@Moxy: Although I don't think either are optimal, I'd rather see WP:Contributing to Wikipedia used than WP:Getting Started. The latter requires new editors to go through an extra step (not sure what the dropoff rate is) and presents a blizzard of similar-sounding options that may lead to exactly the sort of choice paralysis we're trying to avoid by simplifying the template in the first place. I'm waiting for more editors to comment at the pump to see if consensus starts moving toward using a particular new user intro, but if that continues to be a sticking point, our best approach might be to instead get consensus about the other changes and agree that there should be a single new user intro, and then open a separate RfC about what that intro should be. Does that approach sound alright to you? Sdkb (talk) 19:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
@Moxy: By the way, re: abandonment of the help pages, I'm not sure how much of it is editors leaving WP vs. editors just taking the help pages off their watchlist. I've been trying to put out invitations in all the places I can think of to join the discussion at the pump, since we need some more voices (for their ideas/input as much as for their help in reaching consensus). Since you've been in this area longer than I have, if you know of specific editors who used to be very active and think it would be helpful, would you be able to send them an invite (using {{Please see}}) to join us? Sdkb (talk) 23:11, 26 February 2020 (UTC)
Feel free to ask anyone to join the ongoing chat....but I will be honest...it is not going to move forward much more. Trying to change to many things at one time any targeting pages that need software updates. Your asking to remove long standing links to our main help pages and our policy overview pages for a help intro that has technical problems.....and your asking for a new button format. Your best bet is to make a new one with your preferred format and links....put it into circulation let people get use to it then ask for a major change. Test the water with the all new format and target pages that we know function properly and have some feed back. Since VE was tried and did so bad many are weary of non standard formats.--Moxy 🍁 03:40, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
@Moxy: I appreciate the thoughts. I mean, I understand the scrutiny, since it's a change that'd have a large impact, and there's certainly room for discussion on the best pages to target. I'd find it harder to understand if it ultimately went nowhere, since, to be blunt, the current welcome is terrible. I do think most editors at the discussion recognize that, whatever kinks remain to be worked out, it's a massive improvement over the status quo — there have been comments about tweaks such as the button colors, but the sentiment among those who have expressed an overall opinion has been that they like it, and no one so far has voiced an explicit preference for the status quo. It shouldn't be impossible to move forward from that. As I said to WereSpielChequers, I'm hesitant to create it as an alternative welcome, since I think that'd lead to it getting lost in the over-proliferated maze of alternative welcome templates. But I may substitute the sandbox version on new user pages I encounter, just to get editors used to seeing it. Sdkb (talk) 04:07, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

Welcome template!Edit

Yes, BE BOLD, but put it out for supporters to praise it! Feel free to ask me to test or try it. Those red talk page empties call to me.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

@Dthomsen8: Yes, I would love to have your help testing/trying it! You can add it using {{subst:Template:Welcome/sandbox}} ~~~~. Please let me know any feedback you get/results you observe! Sdkb (talk) 04:24, 27 February 2020 (UTC)


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