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Getting these issues resolved has been ongoing now for several years since I first populated the list of desired improvements. Not wishing to intervene too much however, since relaxing not only my tutelage of NPR, but also having largely withdrawn from editing due to purely personal reasons, to support the perfectly legal canvassing for the Wish list, I would nevertheless be prepared to write a compelling article for The Signpost about NPR which would also strongly emphasise the need to support the Wish list. The magazine has a far greater coverage than the NPR newsletter - I elive about 5,000 subscribers. There isn't much time and it would need to be in the November issue at the latest which appears at the end of that month. It's too late for the current issue. I'm not sure however, what the deadline is for the Wish list submissions.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:53, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

@Kudpung: That's good to know. I've been filing some Phab tickets for the suggestion page items, and in general organising that page. Getting close to being finished and moving over to a discussion on the reviewers' noticeboard on which of these tasks (or all of them) should be included in our Community Wishlist Survey. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 13:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I've been watching what you've been doing and I'm quite impressed. You're beginnig to realise now what my work for NPP has involved over the years. What's the deadline for the wishlist? I just don't have time to hunt around. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:31, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
@Kudpung: From Community Wishlist Survey 2019
  • Submit, discuss and revise proposals: October 29 to November 11, 2018
  • Community Tech reviews and organizes proposals: November 13 to November 15, 2018
  • Vote on proposals: November 16 to November 30, 2018
  • Results posted: December 3, 2018
I'm not sure how to process Wikipedia:Page_Curation/Suggested_improvements#28._Tag_for_hist_merge, but other than that I think I'm done with the Phab Tasks. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 13:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't know how to do hist merges, but why not just transclude the whole page to where you want it? I'm going to be pressed to write an article for this month's Signpost due out at the end of this month, but I'll see what I can do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:46, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
One thing that has always given me pause is that of the available categories for the wish list, there just isn't one for critical core developments. It really is focussed on convenience gadgets. It's a Catch 22. I think it very unfair that Horn forces us to go through this process. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)
@Kudpung: That's OK, I'll just say something to that effect at the start of the proposal. Are we allowed to canvass for votes in the wishlist survey? — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 13:58, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Fortunately, canvassing in all its forms is expressly permitted for the Wish list, unless Horn has changed his mind and I'm not aware of it. I've already started drafting an article for The Signpost - it has to be an article rather than just a short notice, because you would be surprised just how many people don't have a clue what NPP is or if they have even heard about it. They need to know about it and how important NPP is, and if they understand that, we might win their support for a wishlist entry. Leave it with me. I'll also help you script up something compelling for the next newsletter if you like. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:39, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
@Kudpung: OK. Done. See Wikipedia_talk:New_pages_patrol/Reviewers#Community_Wishlist_Proposal. I really would love your input as much as possible. Now I need to get back to job applications. I just moved to London and need to find a job and have been procrastinating doing this... 😉 It's progress in some form at least. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 16:20, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
That table is excellent and I c an imagine the effort you put into it. The problem is nobody will be bothered to read it in detail. That's not because of you, it's just the way Wikipedians are generally. You probably won't remember, but I ran a poll on the very same thing a couple of years back before one of Horn's annual stocking filler offers. I think it's at Wikipedia:The future of NPP and AfC but I don't have time to look. I think a newsletter would be a good idea, but it should be worded like a newletter rather than an appeal or a begging letter. There are ways of making the right level of compelling text work. Do remember also that a lot of people have been taking themselves off the Newletter mailing list - that's one of the reasons I suggested they should therefore be struck from the NPR group. Such people really are pur-und-dur just hat collectors. I'm working on the Signpost article. The joke of all this is that the WMF has more than enough funds to put a dedicated team of 4 people on these issues for 6 months, but the staff belive the money is thiers and any spending will affect their penion funds or severqnce pay. If they'd all spend less time on junkets and more in the office, more would get done. They hardly get home from one conference than they start repacking their suitcases for the next one. I won't mention any names, but I know who they are. At least 100 of them were in Wikimania in SA. $3M to get them there and back not counting their 5 star hotels, and the budget from scholarships is only a fraction of that, and in some cases the awardees are lucky if all they get to eat for the week is a dried up bagel, or a plate of thin Chinese rice soup with a fried egg swimming in it. Bin there, done that, and really did get the T-shirts. I expect LDN is a bit of shock after Kiwiland.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Insertcleverphrasehere, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!


As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

Community Wishlist Proposal
Project updates
  • ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
  • There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.
New scripts

Go here to remove your name if you wish to opt-out of future mailings. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 20:49, 21 October 2018 (UTC)


As to this, won't it be possible to integrate this through MediaWiki:PageTriageExternalTagsOptions.js and per this? The default version is stored over here and I note a few en-wiki specific changes, as to our one.(See the addition as to External Links after line 634, for one example.)WBGconverse 11:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I have also noticed certain anomalies in your table (extremely helpful and nice work:-)) and am fixing them. WBGconverse 11:50, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
@Galobtter:--Am I any right? WBGconverse 13:35, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric, Yes, template tags appear to be entirely controlled entirely through that js. I'll file an edit request in a moment to add {{source links}} Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:40, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
@Galobtter:{{sources exist}}. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 13:43, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
yeah I meant that Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:45, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Edit request filed at MediaWiki_talk:PageTriageExternalTagsOptions.js. Galobtter (pingó mió) 13:53, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Galobtter, thanks a lot:-) I wrote the near-same edit-request but backed out speculating upon, whether I was right or not:( WBGconverse 14:01, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
@Galobtter::--Can MediaWiki:Pagetriage-personal-default-note be copy-edited and will that be reflected on the Curation Toolbar? I'm just picking something for the sake of it.I have no plans to tweak this:-) WBGconverse 16:48, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric, yes, that is why it appears as an interface message. You can find all the pagetriage interface messages here. Galobtter (pingó mió) 16:52, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Galobtter, thanks a ton:-)WBGconverse 16:57, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric, MediaWiki:Pagetriage-mark-mark-talk-page-notify-topic-title, MediaWiki:Pagetriage-mark-unmark-talk-page-notify-topic-title Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:06, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Galobtter, I figured that out soon and removed my query:-) But, I remain curious as to the source of the hard-coded parts of the body of messages like this. WBGconverse 17:21, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
(the negatives of reply-link - no edit conflict given then) Yeah I haven't been able to figure that out. I think that is hardcoded. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:22, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

─────────────────────────GalobtterWinged Blades of Godric Pretty sure they are hardcoded. There is a Phab task requesting to make them not-hardcoded: See T204464 for more info. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 17:30, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what this thread is about - I don't have time to fully examine it and I'm not an expert on code. However, I do remember distinctly at one stage being able to do modifications to the texts in the curation flyout. So some of that flyout is not hard coded. It may require admin access to do it though. Hope this helps. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:53, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
  • ICPH, I have integrated the banned-user-parameter into the interface-page (as an optional variable) and have taken the liberty to remove the feature of sending t/p notifications, in case of G5 taggings per DENY. Twinkle does not send a t/p message in such cases and I fail to find a single example, as to how a G5-deletion-notice might be ever helpful.If you feel that that the changes are all good, I will put an edit-request.WBGconverse 13:21, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
  • Additionally, I hope that you've seen the developments as to the revision-deletion stuff, which I hope, I've managed to execute correctly:-)
Winged Blades of GodricYep, I've been following along. The G5 no-notice change looks helpful. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 13:24, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Got your email. Yes, the script is complete — feel free to share it wherever you see fit. The documentation is at User:Bradv/Scripts/Superlinks. If you have any suggestions for improvement, let me know. Cheers. Bradv 04:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Bradv I love this script and the related 'powerbar' script. However, I've noticed a bug with regards to it and other scripts I have installed. This is really bizarre, but when I load ONLY the Superlinks script, and nothing else, it doesn't display the 'NPP Flowchart' link on new pages. I did process of elimination in my common.js, and I found that unless I have User:Kephir/gadgets/rater installed, the link won't appear (which is strange, this is a script I don't really even use any more). User:Kephir/gadgets/rater must be doing something that fixes a bug in the superlinks script. Oddly, I noticed that you don't have User:Kephir/gadgets/rater installed, and I tried installing the exact same common.js that you have, and I can't get the 'NPP Flowchart' link to appear on new pages. Any thoughts as to what might be going on here?
As for the Powerbar script, I have some suggestions. It would be good to have them colour coded redrirect/non-redirect, and redirects should be linked with 'noredirect' in the URL so that you don't get sent to the target page instead. There is a similar script: User:TheJosh/Scripts/NewPagePatrol.js, but this one also displays 'reviewed' pages (unreviewed ones are greyed so that you know what is reviewed and what isn't), which is useful because you can pick up on stuff that you would otherwise miss if the feed only showed unreviewed pages (such as bad reviews, and bad autopatrolled submissions). Ability to display unreviewed pages as well could be optional or default perhaps? — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:07, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Bradv On a side note, would you by chance know how I can get User:Insertcleverphrasehere/copyvios.js to open in a new tab rather than in the current one? — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:56, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Add this line to your script: $("#t-copyvio-check > a").attr("target", "_blank"); Bradv 20:34, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Bradv Thanks! Works like a charm. I notice that the above issue doesn't happen anymore, but now I can't get the NPP Flowchart button to appear at all on new pages now. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:14, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
The flowchart button works by detecting the presence of the Page Curation toolbar. If one of your other scripts or gadgets is interfering with that then the flowchart button would not show up. Can I request that bugs and feature requests be posted at User talk:Bradv/Scripts/Superlinks? I'm really busy irl right now, and won't get a chance to tinker with this for at least a few more days. Bradv 14:18, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Sure, I'll make a post there sometime soon. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 14:34, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Ooh nice. But could it be possible to close the popup window by clicking outside of it? Would be easier when using solely touchpad/mouse than esc or clicking the small close button. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
This has been an essential part of how I use Wikipedia since I installed it and want to (semi-)publicly thank Bradv for it. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:09, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Barkeep49, no problem. It wouldn't have happened without your request. ;) Bradv 23:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


I was puzzled to see that this has the hidden cat Requested RD1 redactions. Do you know why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sphilbrick (talkcontribs)

Sphilbrick that's because one of the comments in the js includes the text "{{Copyvio-revdel}}" and templates are actually transcluded (in a manner) on javascript pages. Galobtter (pingó mió) 17:12, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Insertcleverphrasehere, Galobtter, anyone: could you nowiki it or something so that it doesn't appear in the RD1 requests category? That'd be great, thank you! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Only Insertcleverphrasehere and this unholy cabal of 13 users can change it. Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:07, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
  Done ~ Amory (utc) 18:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Amorymeltzer, Thanks S Philbrick(Talk) 20:31, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry guys, I copied that comment from the intro of User:Enterprisey/cv-revdel, and didn't realise that it would transclude invisibly like that. I've removed the template transclusion. I was sleeping when all this went down. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 14:39, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Possible page move problem

Hi User:Insertcleverphrasehere, I recently participated in a deletion discussion for Metropolitan Connecticut. I proposed a move at the same page after the AfD closed as a keep. Something strange is going on as the titles are different and the talk page history is not complete. Would you be able to research this and tell me what happened? Thanks, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 17:43, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

@Oldsanfelipe: I undid the premature copy paste move. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 21:24, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I am still new to this. Oldsanfelipe (talk) 21:47, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

  The Teamwork Barnstar
Just wanted to acknowledge your tireless efforts as our NPP coordinator and thank you for your patience and understanding. You’ve helped make our work there a whole lot easier!! Atsme✍🏻📧 10:49, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

My training

I've started a page: User:JC7V7DC5768/NPPschool to track my progress toward becoming a NPR one day. It lists all the pages I would have reviewed (and not deleted), included the tags I'd place. JC7V-talk 16:17, 27 October 2018 (UTC)


they are NOT hardcoded, as I was assuming. Read through miles of code to discover Template:Reviewednote-NPF , Template:Reviewednote-NPF and Template:Unreviewednonote-NPF :-)WBGconverse 19:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, see this edit request to integrate the stuff mentioned, a few sections up.
And, shall everything proceed smoothly, the functionality of draftification, (forked from Evad's script) will be available as the fourth option under the trash can, sometime soon:-) WBGconverse 20:29, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
That's pretty incredible. Thanks WBG. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 21:05, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
WOOT. Well found! I was wondering, given that the PC tools were supposed to be made so that any Wiki could use them, how that was supposed to work, I guess this answers my question. Cheers, — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 21:31, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
+1 Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) There's a whole list of all of these at Category:New Pages Feed templates, in case you didn't know.--SkyGazer 512 Oh no, what did I do this time? 15:35, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
  • I have also put up Template:Reviewednonote-NPF for deletion. Can any of you think of any possible usage? AFAIS, it is not incorporated in the Page-triage Code and serves no function currently.A review without a note does not even allow us to trigger an explicit t/p message and I don't see any reason to tweak those settings, either.WBGconverse 19:04, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 October 2018

Stocking fillers

Santa's office at the San Francisco North Pole opened today for requests for toys for Christmas. It closes again in just two weeks when trolling polling starts November 16. Where are you at? As I said, I'll help draft the letter to the man in the pointed red hat. It's needs to be extremely carefully crafted, considering also that there is no category in the polling booth for core MeidaWiki extensions, so anyone blowing their horn that NPP needs to beg on their bended knee before a deity in a grotto, is quite aware that they have deliberately put NPP in a Catch 22. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 20:57, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, had a busy weekend. I'll get back to you tomorrow with a stab at it, and then we can discuss. One of the issues is that some of the stuff we thought was hard coded actually isn't (such as messages; so I need to go through and clear out the list a bit. There are bugs, and there is some stuff (such as 'problem flagging') which was never finished when the tools were created, and the proposed NPR message system that can be used as prominent examples of needed features, and then we can ask for ongoing support from the WMF. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 21:13, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
I had already mentioned that some parts of the fly-out can be locally modified. You'lll need to move ahead extremely quickly with this poll because the if NPP stays too long between the horns of this dilemma, it will be out of it again for yet another year. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:17, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Please do not post that proposal on the wish list together with the votes that have already been made. Voting is not open yet. That would give the horns of plenty even more reasons to disqualify it. And they will. Copy and paste your proposal when it is ready and without the votes, then you can ask them to make their votes again later. I'll take care of most of the canvassing because I have one or two things up my sleeve (perfectly legal) because NPP is going to need literally hundreds of votes on the wishlist, perhaps so many that it makes a mockery of the wishlist in general. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:44, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
BTW, have you ever seen this? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Kudpung, I hadn't seen it. Thanks for that... very amusing. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
I only found that by coincidence yesterday . It absolutely echoes exactly what I've been saying for years. Perhaps the link should be sent to Mr Horn to refresh his memory. I'll probably make a Signpost article out of it if this bid for support to the Weihnachtsmann fails. I have a long list of bungled affairs by the WMF. You can appreciate my frustration...Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:50, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Kudpung, Meh... WMF incompetence is a bit of an old tired story at this point. I logged another wishlist item meta:Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Editing/Reply link for talk pages. User:Enterprisey/reply-link is SUCH a good idea that new editors need access to something similar. If you haven't tried this thing, it is AMAZING. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:54, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
This was another of my efforts - 2 years ago. I also came across another thread somewhere where they clearly stated that they do not neccessarily intend to take on the development work in the order or priorities expressed in the wishlist votes. That guardedly means that wish list is for them only a guideline. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:36, 30 October 2018 (UTC)Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:33, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Insertcleverphrasehere, Thanks for that tip. I love it! Vexations (talk) 12:08, 30 October 2018 (UTC)


You are requested to review the workability of the following features, as to NPP feed, over and suggest improvements in layout/language:-

  • Under review available under Common.
  • History Merge under Metadata.
  • Sources exist under Sources.
  • Revision deletion under a new category of Copyright violation (which was previously named Unwanted content that sounded pathetic to my ears:( It also had an extra tag reminding of non-policy-abiding external links, which I've taken liberty to shun, as extremely rarely used.)
  • The description of the parameters of the revision deletion tag needs active shortening:-)
  • G5 includes a parameter of banned user (as in Twinkle) and does not send t/p messages.

Best,WBGconverse 14:18, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

The link to the feed.WBGconverse 14:20, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Hmmm... I can't get the Page Curation Toolbar to launch over on Testwiki. Is there some trick I'm missing? — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 14:29, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
, It looks like sources exist has been added, but it is currently being displayed as: I think it's because I don't have NPR rights over on Test Wiki. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 14:50, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Insertcleverphrasehere, hmm........It looks like that the reviewer group is bureaucrat-grant-able only:( WBGconverse 14:55, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Haha, Typical. Seems like a silly thing to bother 'crats with. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 15:12, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I was wrong.No user-group other than sysops have the (patrol) flag.There exists an group of patrollers but that's an implicit group.Meh!
The crats need to be bothered but as to granting the mop! At any case, it's mostly a dormant wiki (except for a few technical-oriented folks) and finding one to execute the grant of flags is real difficult which can take days.Anyways, asking Tito and Oshwah.WBGconverse 15:23, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
So I guess I was an admin during earlier NPP testing because I could definitely access the curation tools before on test wiki. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 18:54, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: It looks like sources exist has been added, but it is currently being displayed as: ⧼pagetriage-tags-sourcesexist-label⧽ ⧼pagetriage-tags-sourcesexist-desc⧽ in the toolbar... Seems like a bug. Have the others been added as well? I couldn't find them in the toolbar. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 10:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Hmm......Thanks for noting the issue.
It's the same problem, I was initially facing at in that the media-wiki messages are not getting called.
And, yep that ought be the case:-) Not sure why I and Gallobter missed that!
I am asking for a local implementation of the text, (which will work fine but make the .js page a bit clumsy).
The integration of other features has been requested via an edit request is yet to be tended to. WBGconverse 10:44, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: Thanks for your hard work on these issues. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 10:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
-) Done.All changes are live. WBGconverse 16:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric, Looks good. The 'under review' tag is slightly awkward in that you have to mark the article as reviewed to place it, and that you have to manually remove it afterwards, but it is useful for when you are reviewing a complicated topic and want to have a bit of time and not get interrupted by another reviewer.
I haven't tested the Hist merge or revdel tags yet, as I haven't come across an opportunity yet, but all looks great assuming that they work as expected. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 09:06, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Insertcleverphrasehere, I can probably set it in such a way that once the page gets reviewed (either by that particular editor or any other), the tag will get auto-removed.Does it sound good? WBGconverse 12:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric Yes, that would be great. Is there some way to have the article not be marked as reviewed when adding the 'Under Review' tag though? Currently to ad the tag at all automatically marks the article as reviewed and then must be quickly reverted, this needlessly complicates the page logs. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 07:44, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Winged Blades of Godric I got a chance to test out the revision deletion, and it looks and works great! I didn't realise that it had all the parameters available too, I just assumed it would just add an empty template but was very impressed by the interface. Used on Skull mexican make-up. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:08, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Wishlist - getting it known

As promised, I've submitted a draft article for the magazine, but as no one seems to be overall control of the editorial team these days and with only one dayleft for deadline, I'm not sure it will be approved. Perhaps Bri or Nøkkenbuer could look into it. Knowing my way around the newsroom as former E-in-C, I could do a DIY job, but it looks as if I'm already persona non grata there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:24, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

FYI Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:13, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Kudpung, There are several things I'm going to do to get the wishlist item known. Once !voting starts I'm going to send out a newsletter, Then I am going to post another NPR advertisement at VPM, the administrators noticeboard etc, with a "New Page Patrol needs you" message that says that we need more reviewers, but if you can't help, to go and support our wishlist item instead. Your Signpost article should help as well, and I'll make note of it in the next newsletter and in the advert. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:12, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
I've already said I can help and that I have a few thing s up my sleeve. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:30, 31 October 2018 (UTC)
Kudpung, good to know. We have a couple of weeks until voting opens up, and it looks like the WMF isn't going to argue with us too much abotu the somewhat broad request. I think it was very good that we removed the 'ongoing support' clause before submitting it, given what AKlapper (WMF) and DannyH (WMF) have said over on the proposal page. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:39, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – November 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2018).

  Guideline and policy news

  Technical news

  • Partial blocks is now available for testing on the Test Wikipedia. The new functionality allows you to block users from editing specific pages. Bugs may exist and can be reported on the local talk page or on Meta. A discussion regarding deployment to English Wikipedia will be started by community liaisons sometime in the near future.
  • A user script is now available to quickly review unblock requests.
  • The 2019 Community Wishlist Survey is now accepting new proposals until November 11, 2018. The results of this survey will determine what software the Wikimedia Foundation's Community Tech team will work on next year. Voting on the proposals will take place from November 16 to November 30, 2018. Specifically, there is a proposal category for admins and stewards that may be of interest.


  • Eligible editors will be invited to nominate themselves as candidates in the 2018 Arbitration Committee Elections starting on November 4 until November 13. Voting will begin on November 19 and last until December 2.
  • The Arbitration Committee's email address has changed to arbcom-en Other email lists, such as functionaries-en and clerks-l, remain unchanged.

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)


WP:NPR's preferred settings for your I don't want to muddle your request at WT:TW any further but it reads like you want the option to set Twinkle's CSD behaviour rather than to set an initial default option. In the long run, given the number of patrollers who are already Twinkle users, and who already have an option set, a more impactful move may be to set up a list (page?) of project preferred Twinkle settings, and to advertise it on NPR.

WP:NPR's preferred settings for your Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences are:

Speedy deletion (CSD)
  Mark page as patrolled when tagging (if possible)[1]
  Check the "mark page as patrolled" box by default[2]
Warn user
  Mark page as patrolled when nominating for AFD (if possible)[3]


  1. ^ This preference was agreed at WT:NPP/R on 4 Nov 2018
  2. ^ This preference was agreed at: Link to discussion where the project's Tag policy was agreed
  3. ^ This preference was agreed at: Link to discussion where the project's AFD policy was agreed

Hope that helps, Cabayi (talk) 10:13, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Cabayi, Thanks for the info. Cheers. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 10:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Showing the ropes

I see that you're in London now and will be coming to the meetup so we may meet there. I also notice from your user page that you're interested in ropework. When you come to the meetup, you should take a look at Arthur Beale – a historic ropemaker and chandler which is walking distance from the meetup location. I wrote them up when they were threatened with closure but they seem to be doing ok now. We lost some other fine places recently though – Gaby's Deli and the Gay Hussar. When leaving Gaby's on their last night, last week, I noticed that the wonderful map store, Stanfords, is relocating soon, so make the most of that one while you can. Myself, I'm keen to visit NZ so maybe you can give me some tips on what to see there... Andrew D. (talk) 22:31, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Totally. Look forward to seeing you there. Thanks for the tips. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 07:34, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Your flowchart - interactive?

I thought I'd try to take a stab at what a friendlier tool for NPP might look like. I took your flowchart as an guide and turned it into a page that takes a reviewer through the review process. Have a look, and please let me know what you think: User:Vexations/NPPworkflow Vexations (talk) 04:24, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

@Vexations: I thought about doing this a while back. My thought was to use it as an example to request a user script be written where all of this would pop up in a window on the article and new reviewers could click their way through the steps and the script would add the tags/etc to the page as they went. Such a script would likely be very useful as a sort of interactive tutorial. One thing I'd suggest is that when asking if it is 'patent nonsense', etc, that it actually have the CSD rationale there for reference, or at least a 'help' link to it. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 07:39, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Exactly. That's what I was thinking too. That would be next. Vexations (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Vexations Perhaps the 'help' link could also link to the tutorial section if there is no relevant policy page. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 10:03, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

NPP school

Hi, to show that I would be a great New Page Reviewer, I've started a page: User:JC7V7DC5768/NPPschool. It lists all of the new unreviewed pages, that if I was a NPR ,I would have reviewed without CSDing, Prodding or AFDing them. It also shows what tags and fixes I made to said articles. Maybe you can review it and tell me if I am making progress??? JC7V-talk 16:42, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

JC7V7DC5768, I'll have a look when I have time (moving into a new flat today). Note that I am not really the one you have to convince. I might be the coordinator of NPP but I am not an admin and don't have the ability to change user-rights. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:58, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
JC7V7DC5768 I reviewed the first 56 pages on that list (October). Of those, most have no issues (though I would recommend using WP:RATER more, and turning on the auto-open feature).
However, I have notability concerns for 100 Day Renovation (taken to AfD) and I also found Minor copvios/paraphrasing at North Point School for Boys and Lindy Lee. Please remember to always load the copyvio detector. Not sure how people missed the ones on the school, as multiple AfC reviewers appear to have missed it. Stefan Merunka has also been taken to AfD in the meantime, though looking at the confusion at the AfD discussion about whether he passes WP:NTENNIS or not, I don't hold this against you in the slightest.
Unfortunately Leslie Joy Whitehead has to be CSDed as a copyright infringement of [1]. The author is probably the same author as that article. The article was a great read and the subject appears quite notable, which is regrettable. I'll chat with the author about it. You really should have noticed this though, and I have to reiterate the need to check for copyvios on every article you review (even if another user previously approved it via AfC).
I'd suggest checking the rest of your reviews on that page again for copyvios and notability concerns and I'll have another look in a while. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 12:59, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

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Leslie Joy Whitehead

Thank you for your submission. I did some copy-editing on the article and added a "citation needed" tag to a paragraph that lacks any. I added an infobox and filled in a few details; maybe you can fill in more. I hope you can get this article into shape for a quick review, so we can promote it to our November 11 prep set commemorating the 100th anniversary of the end of World War I. Yoninah (talk) 00:53, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Yoninah, I'm pretty sure that Natasha found this info directly from geneological sources (these forum posts indicate where the info was sourced from originally [2] but the links are all behind paywalls). However, I don't see any reason why we can't source Natasha and Alan's article directly for this comment, as that is the secondary source where it was first compiled, that is the best way to do it without engaging in synthesis ( While NataSOfficial (who is Natasha Stoyce from [3]) didn't cite her article at all while building the wikipedia entry, there isn't any reason we can't, especially when she is the one who compiled and first published info about her life after the war. I've cited it for the last paragraph and removed the CN tag. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 08:00, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Dear Yoninah and Insertcleverphrasehere - Insertcleverphrasehere, you're absolutely correct! All of the key information about Jo's personal life has come from genealogical sources such as FamilySearch, etc. The information about her war-work/life, however, has come directly from contemporary newspaper articles and my own research (into the Scottish Women's Hospitals, with whom she briefly worked). Yoninah it would be absolutely fantastic if we could get Jo's name out there in time for the Centenary commemorations, especially as she has not been remembered before now. I would be very happy for the page to be put up for promotion so that more people can hear of this incredible woman. Perhaps somebody out there is a descendant/knows more about her and some of the blanks in her life can be filled out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NataSOfficial (talkcontribs)

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Thanks for all your help RE: Leslie Joy Whitehead. It is very much appreciated! NataSOfficial (talk) 10:10, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

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DYK for Leslie Joy Whitehead

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Thank you very much for helping me with the RCF on the Stanley Kubrick talk page! I appreciate you working with me to create a setting where a productive, respectful debate can be had on a collapsible infobox. I appreciate it very much!! Willydrach (talk) 20:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hi, I'd like you to do a progress report on me to tell me if I am heading in the right direction. You can view my NPP school. As can be seen, over 97% of the unreviewed new pages that I would have reviewed and not nominated or tagged for deletion are blue links. 2 of the red links are only red due to being CSD'd under G5 criteria. I also invite you to view my afc accepts since my NPR decline I've only accepted drafts that I was 100 percent sure on. I've continued to participate in AFD and still have over 90% match rate. I hope to reapply for NPR within a month within a year (I'd be more than willing to do so on a probationary basis). Thank you. JC7V (talk) 02:54, 23 November 2018 (UTC) I've struck the above, I've got a lot more work to do than I thought due to recent mistakes.

@JC7V First, have you seen my comments in the section above? I appreciate your energy, but I would focus on quality rather than quantity. Unfortunately, everyone makes mistakes, and the more quantity you do, the more likely you are to make a mistake that admins will point to and deny the user right. I'd slow down a bit more, focus on easy reviews rather than trying to review everything that comes in front of you (the borderline and judgement calls can be left to someone else at this stage, wait till you have more experience to do the difficult reviews). Always check for Copyvios with earwig and if you find them, err on the side of Revision Deletion, not CSD when the topic is notable or borderline notable or where the copied content is not 100% of the article. Blank your NPR school page and start over with the new methodology. In a while, apply and just straight ask for probationary to start with (if you had asked for Probationary in your last request, I think it would have been granted). Hope this helps, cheers. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 10:53, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

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