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Archive your talk, please, WBG. I'm trying to edit as I travel and its length is not making my life any easier. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:39, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Vanamonde93,   Done. Nice to see you back; was wondering about your sudden inactivity, in light of all the stuff that's happening.   WBGconverse 07:08, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm certainly quite annoyed about framgate; I cannot think of any other incident which has made me lose faith with this institution in the same way; but my inactivity is quite unrelated. I didn't come here because of the WMF, and I'm damned if I'm leaving because of them, inept though their decisions may be. My inactivity is purely because of real life travel and other commitments, and my activity is likely to be sporadic for a little longer. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:00, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

My mistakeEdit

Hi WBG! I see that I mistakenly reverted a revert that you fixed. Thanks for working with the Signpost (for which I am a lowly and not very good occasional copyeditor). Megalibrarygirl (talk) 13:52, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

The June 2019 Signpost is out!Edit

ANI report using a diff from youEdit

I commented on the new Signpost. [1] Haukur (talk) 22:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Rathindranath TagoreEdit

Hi Winged Blades of Godric, sorry to badger you about this c/e, but what's its current status? I know you've made two more edits (last one: 07:09, 24 June 2019‎ (UTC)) but you haven't yet posted on the Requests page; please let us know what's happening there. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 00:19, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) WBG, I took a stab at copyediting the article as I was reading it. Could use another (hopefully quicker) round of polishing, especially since I couldn't consult the Bengali sources; I have added a couple of clarification tags where looking up with sources would particularly help. See my edit-summaries for the thinking behind the individual edits, or ask. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 03:31, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for that, @Abecedare:; if you'd like to be credited in the GOCE archive you can leave a {{Partly done}} note on the requests page (linked above). i cannot help with the Bengali sources, unfortunately. If there's nothing else from WBG, I'll finish the request when I'm free. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 23:42, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks but not needed. I did too little, and the prose as I left it was hardly sparkling, for me to take the credit/blame. :) Abecedare (talk) 05:16, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

() Winged Blades of Godric, I've now struck your acceptance of this request; I've asked that you're credited in the GOCE archives for your work as co-copy-editor. Cheers, Baffle☿gab 00:03, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!Edit

  Hey Godric, thanks for your support during my block incident. It's really appreciated! starship.paint (talk) 08:38, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


[2]. WBGconverse 18:35, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – July 2019Edit

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2019).

  Administrator changes

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  Guideline and policy news

  • In a related matter, the account throttle has been restored to six creations per day as the mitigation activity completed.

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  • The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Community feedback is invited.


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Tech News: 2019-27Edit

21:23, 1 July 2019 (UTC)


Re: this, not entirely sure what it does, but it was in the warning template I copied before the hidden comment, so I didn't mess with it. It also appears in other warning templates. My main thing was to change the text to be specific to privacy violations of BLPs rather than of users, so I didn't want to change the rest of the formatting. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:36, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

TonyBallioni, the second parameter allows you to write any additional message that gets appended after the end of the message but before the signature.
Nice in a sense, that the entire message remains compact i.e. shall you need to write an additional line or two, you don't need to consume a new line and insert a new signature. WBGconverse 19:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
All twinkle t/p templates have that (basically whatever we write in the optional message dialog box, gets inserted over there); I temporarily forgot that:-( WBGconverse 19:41, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Ah, that’s cool. A bit beyond me, but if it’s theoretically useful for others, great :-) TonyBallioni (talk) 19:43, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

New message from Narutolovehinata5Edit

Hello, Winged Blades of Godric. You have new messages at Template:Did you know nominations/George Ali Murad Khan.
Message added 11:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:05, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

No Means No?Edit

Hello and than you for your edits. I figured that when you left the edit comment "NO means NO", you must have made a mistake, as civil editors do not talk to other editors like children. I reverted it, as your edit removed several inline references and restored some bad content. Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 13:03, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

PS: I think subject is notability is very borderline (but improving).ThatMontrealIP (talk) 13:32, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
How can someone's notability be deemed as improving? Notability is always independent of article-quality. (And, this is not in NOTNEWS territory either, where we (rationally) expect the notability to be in a constant state of flux per time-dependent increase of coverage.)
I did a search and IMO, she fails NARTIST by quite many miles. After one reviewer has already determined the article to be non-notable, FA can't just add two references -- (one of whom grants a trivial namedrop-profile & another one, which can be reasonably held to not have any rigorous selection criterion) only to re-submit (and that too, in a botched manner) it back.
This is a long-term PATTERN. His articles are declined, he adds another one/two source (without any real effort to understand the decline reason) and then resubmits it back. Rinse, lather and repeat. FloridaArmy needs to choose better topics to write about, write the articles in a better manner and above all, not abuse the AFC workflow. He has been here for years and his d/dt(learning in these areas) seems to have long stuck at nullity.
Feel free to push that article to main-space but that will lead to an inevitable AfD.WBGconverse 14:34, 6 July 2019 (UTC) I am travelling, so don't expect any timely replies for next fortnight or so)
Thanks. I can see there are some long-term issues I was not a party to! I agree with what you say above about notability. I just happened to come along and trimmed some irrelevant info. I did do a search for the subject, and could not turn up enough to establish notability. I'm not sure why it was submitted, but perhaps it's part of the above old story? RE:notability improving, I meant in terms of how we assess it: more sources, improved chances to pass GNG. In addition to restoring the earlier source additions, I removed the AFC submission tag as it is clearly not ready for that. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
@ThatMontrealIP: - Check the history of Draft:Frank Cherry for another live demonstration of what I said.
Theroadislong declines the article, first. FA adds another single ref and resubmits. AngusWoof re-declines again and advises for a merge/redirect.
FA then moves the draft to main-space and redirects it to another article. 2 days later, he returns and removes the redirect because he feels that an article is deserved; un-doubtably violating his TBan in the process. This cycle (restoration of the rejected draft in main-space followed by a self-revert) continues for some time, as evident from the page history before he is finally able to make up his mind and (luckily) leaves the redirect at place.
Now, FA (once again) goes back to draft-space, chooses to re-create the rejected draft and submits it back w/o any modifications!
I come across the draft and hard-decline it.
Today, he has again resubmitted it back w/o any modifications.
And then, people wonder about my civility. Any ideas on what to do? Same stuff over Draft:Plymouth Tube. WBGconverse 11:44, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Correct the double negative, used twice, "w/o zero modifications"? cygnis insignis 14:14, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  Done :-) WBG
@ThatMontrealIP: presently the article does not establish notability, and I could not easily find anything to support moving it from draft. cygnis insignis 14:29, 8 July 2019 (UTC) P.S. And would think it should probably be userfied or deleted. cygnis insignis 14:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Cygnis insignis and Winged Blades of Godric:. I agree with you both that the article subject probably isn't notable. Re FA's competence... If FA is persistently resubmitting below grade articles and refuse to learn how to fix the problems, then it's disruptive. Would an ANI be appropriate? I looked at several of their submissions and about half seem to be notable, but the editing work required means it's basically zero sum with their contributions: it takes so much of another editor's time to correct the article errors that their contribution to the project almost becomes irrelevant. And regarding the second issue (leaving them incivil comments), why not just ignore their submissions? We are volunteers, after all.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I've been asked to weigh in here. The civility issue has already been covered adequately in User talk:Winged Blades of Godric#Civility, so I'll just point out that there's several people who need to chill a bit. On the topic of FloridaArmy's editing pattern, I'll respond directly on his talk page in a few minutes. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:55, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


With regard to your comments here, please try to be more WP:CIVIL. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:57, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't perceive that as any uncivil. Someone who has been here for years (and got TBanned from mainspacing articles, for continued inability to write on notable topics) , shall have some minimally positive slope of learning curve. There was absolutely nothing in the article, that would have made it pass GNG/any SNG. FA does not need to be mollycoddled. WBGconverse 06:29, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
I agree with you about the quality of the writing. It was your tone and choice of vocabulary that I was objecting to. -- RoySmith (talk) 12:12, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
@RoySmith:-I agree that the tone was not optimal and will try to improve:-) In the meanwhile, can you bother enough to chime in over the very above thread, as to possible ways of tackling a long-term-problem ? Regards, WBGconverse 14:38, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @RoySmith: good to see the concerns with CIV; now compare WBoG's comment with this. A slight anomaly? Yes, yes there is. ——SerialNumber54129 14:45, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

I'll get you next time!Edit

[7] EEng 14:06, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

:-) Pace, more pace ..... WBGconverse 15:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't get the reference. EEng 17:09, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-28Edit

20:12, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Attempting to hide a previous GA review is extremely inappropriateEdit

Also your edit summary is insulting and unacceptable for a Wikipedia editor. If you would like to discuss the GA review process with me, feel free to reply here or on my talk page, where I'll be happy to answer any questions you have. If you attempt to bury the review again, we can hash it out on AN/I instead. --erachima talk 03:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Broadway High School (Seattle)Edit

Can you review the draft and indicate why you think it would not survive AFD? I undid the CSD on the redirect. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 14:31, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Birjis QadrEdit


The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Birjis Qadr has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.


Twofingered Typist (talk) 15:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes Issue 34, May – June 2019Edit

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time forEdit

I think it's time for another ANI discussion for that editor... it's obviously not going to help any making suggestions or polite requests, as they are have been consistently ignored for years. Some limit should be placed on the resubmission of AFC's, or even on submissions. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 16:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Sarat Chandra ChattopadhyayEdit

Hi WBG. If you have access to National Library of India, can you help me to obtain scanned cover photos of the first edition of Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay's Srikanta & Devdas. Thanks. --Gazal world (talk) 13:32, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Akiwo ArakawaEdit

Of course he's notable, but perhaps you could add a little basic data about his education & career. Otherwise I'll have to, because I don't want to actually accept such an incomplete article in my field--I want everything I accept in my special area to be a good example for beginners. And since you can do it very well yourself, I'd like to have the time to devote to those who need it. DGG ( talk ) 04:21, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-29Edit

15:29, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Civility Barnstar
Here is the barnstar of civility from me. Thanks for being civil in our discussion. You deserve it. Harshil169 (talk) 08:15, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

You closed List of tallest buildings in Columbia, MissouriEdit

8 keep 3 merge/delete 1 neutral from article starter. Somehow you called that a weak keep. A piece of unsolicited advice: editorializing the closing is probably not the best thing for a non-administrative closure. Lightburst (talk) 17:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Came here to say the same thing, and found the comment already made for me. Honestly it was a solid Keep. Grey Wanderer (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Clearly solid keep. Advice well given, and hopefully will be advice well taken.Djflem (talk) 19:10, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

How’s your Sanskrit?Edit

This looks right, but I’m not sure. Mathglot (talk) 05:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Be carefulEdit

I'd suggest you cease looking into Elisa Rolle's past behavior for issues, as in this Brave New Wikipedia that could constitute harassment and get you disappeared in the middle of the night, without the ability for you or others to say a word in your defense. Mr Ernie (talk) 08:36, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Ditto, per Mr Ernie: see how the game is played? An administrator demands you provide diffs, for which to dig; and having dug, T&S can accuse you of harassment. Game, set and match. Oldest trick in the book! ——SerialNumber54129 08:50, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
You mean, we should really change what we do for fear of the T&S? You are out of your mind! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:00, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
'Tis the madness come again I fear ;) ——SerialNumber54129 09:03, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, if we really think T&S is that bad, then we should all be protesting. If we are not protesting, we should edit as we normally do. No adjustments until the ARBCOM looks into it and issues some guidelines. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 10:00, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


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