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Draft:V. P. BalagangadharanEdit

Hello, Legacypac If you feel Draft:V. P. Balagangadharan is good to go, can I go ahead an publish the same? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenecontra (talkcontribs) 06:40, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Looks ok to me. Legacypac (talk) 06:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Legacypac: It has a "" comment. Please take that off? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenecontra (talkcontribs) 16:55, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

You can remove that. It is just for the draft stage. Legacypac (talk) 17:04, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac, I don't see an option to publish the article. I removed the tag and it's still in Draft. :| Help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenecontra (talkcontribs) 04:18, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac -- found out. Moved to Article. Thanks a ton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scenecontra (talkcontribs) 04:33, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


Hi Legacypac, I submitted a revised version of the page with updated references from a number of reputable sources. I was told there might be a two month delay or so, but it's been longer than that at this point and was wondering if we could move ahead with the review process soon. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jukely (talkcontribs) 17:35, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Hind AleryaniEdit

Hi Legacypac -- I just want you to re-check the above mentioned article along with its references. The last submission was declined for notability and I think she is a well notable activist. Three of the references put her name in the headline. If you put her name in a google search, tens of results will show her news, TED talk and her Arabic Wikipedia article page. --Mohammed.Almussaabi (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)


Good day Legacypac

Requesting to review Draft:Bhagshesh.

Thank you



You deleted my page for Julie Carlson, noting that you didn't think the citations showed notability. However, there are several full-length profiles of Ms. Carlson cited throughout the page. Could you please let me know how I can improve the page to show you the notability, and re-submit?

Thanks so much for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosied28 (talkcontribs) 00:05, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi, you rejected my article on the British band coldharbourstores. I based my article on a similar size British group, whose notability is also similar: Epic 45 - who do have a wikipedia page, which if anything has less notability. The sources for that band are almost identical. Why are the author for the Epic 45 page's sources and notability acceptable and mine for coldharbourstores are not? Any guidance would be appreciated. Thanks Coldharbourstoresfan Coldharbourstoresfan (talk) 19:49, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Legacypac,

I received an e mail saying the page about 'Draft:Micko Westmoreland' was due for deletion. I'm away til next week with limited wi-fi and will attend to this on my return. Please don't delete this page. I will attend to it on my main computer soon. Please acknowledge. Many thanks

This is the second time it has been deleted as abandoned. You'll need to follow the refund instructikns Legacypac (talk) 06:37, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

28 April 2018 submission review of the page Ben-Soussan T.D.Edit

Hello Legacypac, thank you for your message. It is the first I try to create a new page on the English Wikipedia and your suggestions and tips are very helpful. Thank you very much, sicerely Pasciutoale (talk) , 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Skycoin pageEdit

Hi Legacypac, I wish to contest the deletion of the Skycoin page as per reasoning below.

You need toEdit

know that checking for copy-vio is an integral part of your duty as an AFC reviewer, especially when you are accepting some stuff.See Thermogelling polymer.And, this seems to be a recurring mistake.WBGconverse 03:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Not a normal submission. I did check that page on earwig as I check all AfC pages. I could ask why YOU failed to find the copyvio about six months ago when (presumably during NPR) you sent the same page to Draft space questioning notability? It then rotted there until another user reviewing G13 eligible pages edited it to save it from deletion. I spotted it as a blue link in a sea of red on the Stale Draft report and returned it to mainspace for wider review by knowledgable editors on a technical topic. Kindly don't criticise me for not catching something you missed 6 months earlier. Any Admin can verify the page history. Cheers Legacypac (talk) 15:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

QUESTION re: Julie CarlsonEdit


You deleted my page for Julie Carlson, noting that you didn't think the citations showed notability. However, there are several full-length profiles of Ms. Carlson cited throughout the page. Could you please let me know how I can improve the page to show you the notability, and re-submit?

Thanks so much for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rosied28 (talkcontribs) 01:04, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Just as a note, Rosied28, your draft page at Draft:Julie Carlson has not been deleted, just declined. Primefac (talk) 01:24, 9 July 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)

Going to Wikimania?Edit

Hi Legacypac -- I just wanted to check in because I'm headed to Wikimania in a few days, and I'm hoping to meet some AfC reviewers. I'm wondering if you'll be there. Let me know! -- MMiller (WMF) (talk) 21:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

No, but thanks for asking. Legacypac (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


Hey Legacypac - I was reviewing which you had last looked at. I agree with your comments then that it would be better incorporated into the Vox Media article. Since then, however, the draft has been expanded and I'm now of the sense that it might be so long as to be undue for inclusion in the Vox article. I was going to promote it to mainspace but wanted to check with you first to get your sense/opinion. Do you have any thoughts? Thanks - Chetsford (talk) 19:30, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

The worst that could happen is someone merges it. Legacypac (talk) 12:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Sounds good - just wanted to touch bases with you before I did anything. Thanks! Chetsford (talk) 13:44, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Zakariya MuhammedEdit

User:Kallayil1 has moved Zakariya Muhammed into mainspace after you declined it at AfC – I wasn't sure what to do about it but figured you would. Thanks TeraTIX 06:16, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

This Is not his first film. he is also director of lot of documentaries Sources include. There's a ton of press and Critic about his directorial debut and lot of news about his First Feture Film "Sudani From Nigeria Sources include Sudani From Nigeria . His work Sudani From nigeria widely notable work [1][2][3] .

Kallayil1 (talk) 12:09, 14 July 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ "'Sudani from Nigeria' director Zakariya overwhelmed with praise for film". The New Indian Express.
  2. ^ "Africa set in Malappuram grounds". 2018-03-23. Retrieved 2018-06-23. External link in |work= (help)
  3. ^ "'പൊതുബോധമല്ല യാഥാർഥ്യം, 'സുഡാനി'യിൽ കണ്ടത്​ ജീവിതം'". Madhyamam. Retrieved 2018-06-23. zero width space character in |title= at position 43 (help)

Draft:Galit Dahan-CarlibachEdit

Hi LegacyPac, I updated the above page with new material, added references, external links and categories. Do you think it can be returned from drafts into mainspace? Thanks, --Nachum Zitter Librarian (talk) 10:48, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

You don't need my permission to move a page. Legacypac (talk) 06:51, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Review pageEdit

Hi. Review the Sheena Allen page. Cheers

Aghachi7 (talk) 12:19, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Draft:CHEQEdit

Hello Legacypac. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Draft:CHEQ, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. Thank you. Eastmain (talkcontribs) 14:51, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Request on 10:46:40, 20 July 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by ZEQFSEdit

Hi there. Can I get a bit of help on my first page creation? You've rejected my work saying that the content already exists. The problem is that the content exists in the wrong place (and there are several problems with that if you read the Jesse Brown page or its talk page). Aside from the very un-NPOV writing there, which I have attempted to fix, the Jesse Brown page is about the journalist who broke the Jian Gomeshi story and people in that page's talk section are complaining that Canadaland links to Jesse Brown when Canadaland and Jesse Brown are different things. Canadaland is also one of the top podcasts in the country. It would be like if This American Life redirected to a very badly written section in Ira Glass's page. That would rightly be a problem so that's what I'm trying to resolve here.

Jesse Brown =/= Canadaland and Canadaland =/= Jesse Brown. My intention was to do my best to fix the Canadaland content, get that page created, stop the Canadaland -> Jesse brown redirection and then link the Canadaland section in Jesse Brown's article to the Canadaland article I wrote.

What can I do to move forward with this? Can you help me?

ZEQFS (talk) 10:46, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Go to Canadaland and write the article. Just replace the redirect with your new content. Legacypac (talk) 00:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Thanks! I really appreciate your help. ZEQFS (talk) 10:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Draft Decline of Stephen Maitland-LewisEdit

Hi Legacypac, I am in the midst of talking with SmokeyJoe.I wanted in inquire into why my draft is being declined at this time. Thank you.

Booklover213 (talk)Booklover213 —Preceding undated comment added 18:43, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Major issues regarding "Polish" emigrantsEdit

There is an ongoing discussion on the List of Polish supercentenarians talk page regarding major violations of Wikipedia policy, which you might be interested in joining. Newshunter12 (talk) 15:47, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018Edit


Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. (Purge)

Hello Legacypac, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

June backlog drive

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers.
Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.

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Vijay Lakshmann PageEdit

Hello! The page that I created for author Vijay Lakshmann was deleted a few weeks ago because it was considered an advertisement and not third party research. I have been trying to get it back but I haven't had any luck. The intention was not to promote the author but to write an unbiased page about hi m and his work that I enjoy. I have several sources as well to back up the information present in the article. I am new to wikipedia so I am still learning the rules and regulations as a content creator. Any insights you can give to help me get my page back will be much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashleyray121 (talkcontribs) 2 August 2018 18:37 (UTC)

I am not an Admin so there is nothing I can do. Legacypac (talk) 22:07, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of List of Polish supercentenarians for deletionEdit


A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of Polish supercentenarians is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Polish supercentenarians until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.

You nominated this article for deletion the first time and have yet comment in the current AFD discussion, so I wanted to make sure you knew about it as a courtesy. Newshunter12 (talk) 01:34, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Fritz WinkelstroeterEdit

Dear Legacypac, thank you for reviewing the draft:Fritz Winkelstroeter. I will work on it. But I have a question: Originally I had made the draft under the title draft:Medhananda.Then somebody of Wikipedia changed it into draft:Fritz Winkelstroeter. But this person is known throughout the world under his spiritual name Medhananda, a disciple of Sri Aurobindo; he was a professor at the International Centre of Education at Pondicherry and a writer who has written several books about the old Egyptian psychology and many other books. His civil name Fritz Winkelstroeter is not known very much to the public, so my question is: will somebody who looks for "Medhananda" in Wikipedia find the article in Wikipedia when it is there only under Fritz Winkelstroeter? Or is it a fact that in Wikipedia spiritual names are not allowed? Thank you for your answer, GoldenerBall GoldenerBall (talk) 16:55, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Testing changes to New Pages FeedEdit

Hi Legacypac -- I wanted to get in touch directly to ask if you could take some time to try out the evolving New Pages Feed in the Test Wiki. AfC drafts are listed there now, with more changes coming in the next weeks. We're deploying our changes to Test Wiki first so that reviewers can bring up any issues before they go into English Wikipedia. We really value your opinion, of course. -- MMiller (WMF) (talk) 16:56, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Voted for speedy deletion: Ten MillenniaEdit

Article for Deletion:Ten MillenniaEdit

Hi Legacypac -- You approved an article I wrote after it had been rejected many times for the band not being notable. There are citations that prove the band has charted in the UK charts and has received radio rotation by the BBC. I have just received a notice that an editor feels the following 'Cannot see how this passes WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Promotional article created by a WP:SPA with a likely COI'. I really don't know what more I can do to prove that the band is notable. I'd love some advice, if possible? -- Danielle2017! 18:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

My approval was based on meeting the criteria. Sometimes other editors don't care. Legacypac (talk) 02:39, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Just a noteEdit

The draft versions of creation-protected pages (such as Draft:George McConnell Davison) to not need a judgement call from an administrator. If any AFC reviewer feels the page is acceptable, they can ask that the protection be lowered so that it can be accepted. Primefac (talk) 15:41, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

So in fact an Admin must make a judgement call, just from another angle. Legacypac (talk) 02:37, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft Review RequestEdit

Hello, can you kindly review this Draft:Laurens Tan. I made significant edits to it but am unsure if it's a right shape now. Kind regards SouthAfrica1994 (talk) 18:26, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

MfD of User:Piotrus/South Korean scandalsEdit

There is an ongoing discussion on whether to delete User:Piotrus/South Korean scandals, which contains copyright violations, at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Piotrus/South Korean scandals (2nd nomination). Since I see you were involved in the previous MfD, your input would be appreciated. Thank you. Nardog (talk) 04:00, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

A request for guidanceEdit

Hi User:Legacypac, It's been a while I'm trying to fix my first ever article on WP that is declined by you, Draft:JoopeA. It's a bit embarrassing for me that I could publish two new articles in En, one in NL and one in FA which got accepted on the first try, but Draft:JoopeA might be still missing the required elements. I never thought the conflict of interest could be so deep in me.

Anyway, I wonder if you could take a look on the revised article and advise me on how I could improve it? This would be great help to my progress even if the feedback is not good :)

Thank you in advance, Raham 08:20, 2 September 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by RahamRaf (talkcontribs)

Draft:Senait FissehaEdit

I've cleaned out some of the advertising verbiage for Draft:Senait Fisseha and redid the reference sources. If the author is able to find another GNG source, would that be good enough to pass the article? Or do you still have concerns for notability? I don't see her meeting WP:NACADEMIC straight up, but her association with the WHO president is helpful as well as her position within the Buffett Foundation. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:05, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018Edit

Hello Legacypac, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

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As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.
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A cup of coffee for you!Edit

  Welcome back! Flooded with them hundreds 02:44, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Dumb TwinkleEdit

Next time, just leave the message there. If you delete it, I have to chase the history to see what happened, because you can't delete the email and you can't delete the red alert, only the talk page message. If I see the dumb Twinkle message, I will just ridicule it. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:21, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


Hi, I have put Bandesha up for deletion. It was only recently deleted and the new version appears to be basically a copy of the notoriously unreliable open wiki at I left a note on the talk page. You may wish to have a word with the creator since you approved the move from AfC. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 09:21, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I searched for dups and it looks referenced to two good sources. Don't know the history of the page. Legacypac (talk) 09:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
It was a straight copy from No idea why the search didn't pick it up. British Raj era sources are not reliable for caste etc. It's gone now. - Sitush (talk) 10:42, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Of course not as to caste. The British were trying to establish any seemingly scientific basis for colonial rule of India, in addition to the actual reasons, which were of course power and money. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:55, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Yep, It is a long-established consensus which I obtained around 10 years ago. I really do need to spend some time developing User:Sitush/CasteSources because that could act as a convenient central point of reference. - Sitush (talk) 11:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Easy TransferEdit

Hello Legacypac. I just wanted to let you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Easy Transfer, a page you tagged for speedy deletion for the following concern: Unambiguous advertising or promotion. I believe that while the article talks about the company, it is not intentionally promoting the company's services. All statements are from cited sources and media. If you think there is anything promotional, feel free to make edits instead of marking a deletion on a research article that I spent a lot of time editing. Thank you. --Peon ruler (talk) 20:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

You will need to take it up with the admin who deleted it User:DGG Legacypac (talk) 21:01, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, very confused why there would be a contest function if the admin would just delete the article straight away without responding. :( --Peon ruler (talk) 02:54, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

If you contest before deletion they will consider. If after, they may restore. I don't think the page has much hope, which is why I tagged it for deletion. Legacypac (talk) 03:30, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Supergirl (season 2)Edit

After reading your comments there, I must say I think you haven't read what Robert McClenon wrote. The draft also reads, "Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Supergirl (season 2) instead", but Supergirl (season 2) is a redirect at the moment. I am not going to perform a cut-and-paste move, because as per Mr. McClenon's suggestions, I should instead go for a consensus. But achieving that seems as easy as finding Bigfoot. Matt14451 showed his support for the draft entering the mainspace, as did AussieLegend over here. Sadly, Brojam and AlexTheWhovian opposed because, as of 21 September, they felt the draft wasn't comprehensive enough. Even though I have substantially expanded the draft since, they are yet to give their view on the revamped draft. Shall I click resubmit anyway? Because the draft has greatly been expanded since the last submission, and I'm sure the AfC reviewer will have a different opinion this time. --Kailash29792 (talk) 05:48, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

User:Legacypac - User:Kailash29792 is right. You confused things by declining the season 2 and season 3 drafts on the grounds that they already exist. They do not exist except as redirects. I am sure that you are making a good-faith effort to deal with the list of drafts whose names are the same as those of articles, but I think that you misunderstood the guidelines, and, as a result, I think that you need a trout. I told the proponents of putting the season 2 list of episodes in mainspace to obtain consensus. If there had been consensus, I would have shuffled the redirect off to Buffalo and promoted the draft and then tagged the redirect for deletion. So please be sure that you aren't referring to a redirect as an article. It makes things even more confused. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:20, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
I already read and agree with Robert's comments on the draft about seeking consensus. Please reread my comments about the better way to create these pages. If you want to work in Draft to build the page out, that is fine. Just copy over the desired text onto the redirect when you are ready. Seek deletion of the Draft. AfC has no role here. If an AfC reviewer copies the Draft text over the redirect we create an attribution problem. If we try to move the Draft to mainspace we have to seek deletion of the title, wiping out whatever history it has (perhaps history of how it was the source of the combined article, or that there as been previous attempts to split or whatever). If an AfC reviewer requests a redirect be deleted an Admin may well decline the request because the Draft content is already covered in the target. Further if AfC gets the Draft into mainspace we have no way to ensure the other editor does the removal of the material from the parent page - the other part of the split. It is just better if one editor does the split without involving AfC, and yes the topic is covered at the redirect target. Sorry the canned decline can't be changed which is why I tried to explain a better way to do the split. Legacypac (talk) 08:14, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
So cut-and-paste moving is the way to go? Very well, once I click resubmit AfC (which is after I've gained a consensus, at least the approval of Alex and Brojam) and the new AfC reviewer accepts, I'll do such a move, then request for a history merge. Kailash29792 (talk) 08:55, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
An AfC reviewer "accept" involves moving it to mainspace. You don't need AfC, which is for new editors who can't technically create new pages or are not confident. You are not new and you don't even need to create a new page. Copy what you want to mainspace and do the split in the mother page if you feel you want to and that no one will try to reverse you. Legacypac (talk)
User:Legacypac - I am aware that you are campaigning to have AFC abolished. The fact that you don't like AFC and want it brought to an end shouldn't be a reason for giving biased advice to editors who, for the time being, are trying to use AFC. In this case there is a good reason for using AFC, which is that the split does appear to be contentious. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't want AfC abolished - not sure where that idea comes from. I do favor restricting new accounts from creating any new page by broadening WP:ACREQ. How is AFC going to help if this split is contentious? AFC is not the arbitrator of which articles should or should not be split. Legacypac (talk) 17:15, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
User:Legacypac - If you don't want new users to be able to use AFC (and I think that allowing them to use AFC is a harmless way for them to do stupid things), then what do you want it used for? I hope you don't intend it to be primarily for conflict of interest articles and autobiographies, because COI drafts are the other class of stuff that is expected to go through AFC, and that is burdensome to the reviewers, who are being pushed to write a neutral article about a company that doesn't warrant an article. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

Your commentEdit

Thank you for the comment you left on Big Green draft. How does one write as if "you dont care" about the topic? Is there a hard and fast rule for that? can you please provide some tips? Does placing quotes (of any person involved in the topic) make an article sound TOO PERSONAL? Gmli82164 (talk) 21:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)Gmli82164

  • "A combination of playground and outdoor classroom, the learning gardens are spaces where learners discover and get trained on the science of growing fruits and vegetables"--"The program combines elements of the playground with an outdoor classroom, and trains students in growing fruits and vegetables". Ah I don't know, that' not great, but it doesn't have some of the buzzwords. Drmies (talk) 21:41, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
  • "One thousand learning gardens set up all over America by the year 2020 is Big Green's biggest dream"--"Big Green aims to have set up one thousand such learning gardens in the US by 2020", but that desire is only worth mentioning if it is deemed worth mentioning by secondary sources. We're an encyclopedia, and desire is hard to verify. Drmies (talk) 21:43, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

New EditorsEdit

On the Internet, no one knows when you are being sarcastic. You and I know that you and I are both being sarcastic about the clueless self-serving editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

The difference between the non-notable garage bands and the non-notable autobiographies is that the band articles at least are structured like Wikipedia articles and are in good syntactic and semantic English. The non-notable autobiographies aren't always even in sentences. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Buniayu Cave moved to draftspaceEdit

An article you recently created, Buniayu Cave, needs to be formatted according to the Manual of Style, in particular the sections on section headings and images. You may also find it useful to consult (read: copy) a few other articles about caves that are correctly formatted, such as Sistema Ox Bel Ha, Jewel Cave National Monument, or Optymistychna Cave.

When you feel that the article is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. signed, Rosguill talk 04:32, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I approved that page from Draft under AfC. MOS is not a requirement for mainspace, it is a nice to have. Moving it back to draft where is was going to be deleted for inactivity is not how the page is going to formatted correctly User:Rosguill Legacypac (talk) 04:36, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Apologies, it's the first article that I've run into that so blatantly didn't even attempt to look like a wikipedia article. signed, Rosguill talk 04:39, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
I suspect the creator is from Indonesia and may not be very familor with building articles. It came up on my watchlist because it was tagged for deletion due to no one working on it for 6 month. It will be fixed in mainspace. Legacypac (talk) 04:42, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Biased & hateEdit

Beside hates what you can do ? You just deleting everyone wikipedia , you just put tag on our page without reason , did you see how many hours we spend to write article ? This has notable links , newspaper , magazine but you have put speedy deletion this is such a shame. SiddiqFarooq (talk) 09:14, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I do a lot of spam cleanup. What are you talking about "our page"? This is not a place to write about yourself or your pet project. Legacypac (talk) 09:17, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) It is not your page, you do not WP:OWN any pages you create in Wikipedia they can be editied by anyone. Please avoid making personal attacks I haven't looked at the deletion discussion yet but I shall do so. Dom from Paris (talk) 09:22, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Post relates to this Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Kamal Mustafa (DJ) and/or "02:25, 12 October 2018 Athaenara (talk | contribs) deleted page User:DJ Kamal Mustafa (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion in userspace)" Legacypac (talk) 09:30, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Yap i had link my social media on my user page because i didn't knew that it's not allowed & i had removed it already but why deleting my page ? Wikipedia is based on notability i have added notable links with the help of my team. DJ Kamal Mustafa (talk) 09:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

No your profile page was deleted by an Admin as SPAM. You had not removed social media links and a solicitation for people to contact you about your music. Feel free to discuss the merits of keeping your Draft page at the deletion discussion page - discussion runs for a week. I would urge you to tell your staff not to insinuate that I, or all Wikipedia volunteers, hate Muslims or Pakistani's, as your associate has already done on the deletion discussion talkpage. Editors come from all over the world. I have many followers of the Prophet in my family and I assuredly do not hate anyone make decisions based on the religion or nationality of other editors.

Hi Dear legacy here you're wrong if you check log i had removed social media link right after your warning message then after 5 minutes the page got deleted so accept my apology on that on behalf of my team too. DJ Kamal Mustafa (talk) 09:55, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Second thing you said that my article is not notable & I'm promoting myself which is not right kindly check 2 years old wikipedia & the links :) after two years i have added 7 new magazine , newspaper & tv channel url which you have declined as well without even reason. Thier is a page of a newspaper here known as ummat newspaper kindly search my interview was there , but you have declined. I was featured in mtv chart you have declined , i was featured in ary news tv channel ( my film) which you have declined. I was featured in magazine you have declined , i have added urdupoint newspaper link which was declined. If everything is going to be declined then explain to me what is "notability". DJ Kamal Mustafa (talk) 09:58, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

The place for this discussion is at Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Draft:Kamal_Mustafa_(DJ). The decision will be made there. I can't even withdraw the deletion nomination at this point. Also DJ Kamal Mustafa your username is promotional and therefore against policy. You will need to change it. Legacypac (talk) 10:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

User:SiddiqFarooq DO NOT delete things from my talkpage - like this whole section. Do not delete notices of MfD discussions. Do not accuse me or other of racism. If you continue with such bad behavior I will seek to have your editing rights removed. Legacypac (talk) 10:19, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


  There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:21, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

This is a pro forma notice. You know that I am not reporting you for anything, but you have a right to know that I have reported the suckpoppets. (At least, they are acting like suckpoppets.) Robert McClenon (talk) 03:23, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I saw the ANi. Seems more likely they are the DJ and an associate, but the page will go down at MfD without difficulty. Maybe they will get bored and wander off. Legacypac (talk) 03:25, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Clarification requestEdit

Hi Legacypac, I am a bit confused with your comment on this draft. Are you opposing a move? " We can't accept the without getting an admin to remove the page at the target title, so can move this page there, which is undesirable..." I am finding your statement (in context, this line specifically as well) somewhat ambiguous. If so, Supergirl (season 2) might be of interest to you as it is currently CSD'd to make way for said move (commented out now, while I get to the bottom of this). --TheSandDoctor Talk 21:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I think I was able to figure it out. G6'd. --TheSandDoctor Talk 22:30, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I beleve the editor is going about these article splits incorrectly. The titles already exist as redirects. They should overwrite the redirects and remove the split content from the mother articles. They should not be trying to get these approved via AfC. Legacypac (talk) 23:43, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
They are going about it a little oddly, but there's nothing wrong with how they're doing it, provided they give the proper attribution. They haven't, and so I have done so and will ping the page creator so that they know for future reference. Primefac (talk) 02:09, 15 October 2018 (UTC) (talk page stalker)
@Primefac: Attribution was done with these two edits: [1] [2]. - Brojam (talk) 02:12, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Ach, my bad. I tend to forget to check the edit summaries for attribution. Either way, it's on the talk page now. Thanks for setting me straight! Primefac (talk) 02:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Attribution is one possible issue, getting the split only half done is another. Deleting the history of the mainspace page to make way for a move from Draft is not ideal. Going through AfC is also very slow when AfC is not necessary. Legacypac (talk) 02:24, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
User:Primefac User:Legacypac User:TheSandDoctor - Well, I was the AFC reviewer, and I didn't see anything wrong with using AFC for the purpose. It was true that they were trying to game the system by telling me that one more editor amounted to a consensus to split, and that was wrong. I did think that declining the draft on the grounds that the article already existed, when it was only a redirect, was confusing things further. Legacypac - By telling them that the article already existed, when it did not, you were, in good faith, encouraging their idea that they could use G6 as a way to accept a draft, when we know that G6 isn't an acceptance method but a deletion method. Legacypac: Please don't confuse efforts to split articles by saying that a redirect is an article. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
We are a little constrained by the wording of the "exists" response. The title exists but as a redirect. The topic exists at the target of the redirect. So yes it exists. Therefore I see no role for AfC in dealing with the Draft. Anyone is welcome to use Draft to work up a page split before placing it into mainspace, but AfC should not be endorsing or doing the split when that is something that can be done boldly or after seeking the agreement of other interested editors. We should be dealing with new topics not playing judge over what should or should not be split off. Legacypac (talk) 17:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Draft: Richard Walker (Businessman)Edit

Thanks for your comment on the Draft:Richard Walker (Businessman)- would you agree that references 6, 7 and 8 are those that need to be replaced or removed?

Any other suggestions welcomed! Thanks Tanykadavson WS (talk) 10:04, 16 October 2018 (UTC)


Thanks for your speedy attention to this draft. I am curious as to why you think this one falls short of the bar, please.

The sourcing here is all independent (no interviews with the subject).

It is high-level, starting with the New York Times and continuing with major French and English national news organs.

Plus, these are not passing mentions, with the exception of the George Pelecanos name-check in the Times. (The NY Post review is a paragraph within a group.)

I could understand why another recent submission of mine (Tom Pitts) warranted firmer sourcing...but here it's higher-grade. Rory1262 (talk) 18:20, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Which point on WP:AUTHOR does he meet? Legacypac (talk) 19:41, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
"Multiple independent periodical articles or reviews" and "has won significant critical attention" Rory1262 (talk) 19:48, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Ok, AfC is optional. You can move it yourself. Legacypac (talk) 20:16, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Appreciate your time and openness. Rory1262 (talk) 20:29, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
It may be close to the line. Might be fine. Legacypac (talk) 20:30, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

i am confusedEdit

i have no idea how to do this man srry i will try my best im new to dis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pearl playa (talkcontribs) 16:17, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

Your "article" submitted to AfC is not an article. It is a little musing about yourself. You have yet to contribute anything useful to Wikipedia. You are just wasting our time at this point. Legacypac (talk) 16:25, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

srry man i will try to make something that is helpful and relevant.-Pearl playa (talk) 16:44, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

tis pieEdit

  pie is good and u r 2

19:30, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

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