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Goals

If you check out the main WPVG page right now, you can see that we've hit our goal of 10% of articles B-Class or better, and at 99.7% are almost at another goal of 75% of articles Start-Class or better. Congratulations to all of us who improved articles over the past years! So, it's time to consider replacing them with new goals. For some ideas, see previous discussions here and here.

It feels like only yesterday that we set these goals... it wasn't, of course, because as the invisible comments tell us at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/goals, that B-class goal started at 1597/3093.5 (51.62%) in September 2014, and the Start-class goal started at 15039/22526.25 (66.76%) in January 2014. They were ambitious, long-term goals. The other two were started in November 2020, and will probably also take a decade to finish. I'd like to recommend as a result that we try, if possible, to pick new goals that are achievable in less time, even if that means they're more esoteric, though just "next round number%" is also ok. --PresN 14:32, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

The zhwp WPVG has a set of goals (translation) which is similar to our goals:

• 5 Good or Featured Topics
• 5% of articles B-Class or better
• High/Top-Importance articles basically reach C-Class
• 1250 DYKs

The last goal seems newness. We have 1,389 DYKs and promote ~10 DYKs monthly, thus 1,500 DYKs (around one year) might be OK. But I'm not sure is there a DYK push custom...--For Each element In group Next (talk) 15:38, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll be honest I've always been semi-disinterested in DYKs because I don't really get the purpose they serve.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:07, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

May I suggest a goal to clean out some of our backlogs, namely the screenshot and cover art backlogs? (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

User:DocFreeman24 has been doing this. Timur9008 (talk) 13:16, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

From what I can tell, his edits over the past few months are mainly cover art and not screenshots. A goal or even a drive would help significantly with the almost 9k backlog. detria^skies 18:28, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Yes this is right, I’ve been mostly focused on cover art so if someone wanted to do screenshots that would be a great addition. Also I’d be more likely to do screenshots if there was an upload tool for screenshots the way there is for cover art. The upload tool makes it sooooo much easier than the manual process. DocFreeman24 (talk) 23:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Other goals to throw out there as ideas: <=7500 stubs (we've dropped ~1000 a year for the past 2 years, are at 8906 right now); 300+ FAs (we're at 268 and have been doing about 8/year recently); all Vital Level-5 video game articles C+ (17/175 are starts) or B+ (58/175 are start/C). --PresN 21:00, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Those all sound like good ideas. QuicoleJR (talk) 02:38, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

We could try getting all Top-Importance articles to B-Class or better. We are currently halfway there, since 30 of the 61 articles are C-Class and none are Start-Class or Stub-Class. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

I like the ideas from QuicoleJR and PresN. Let's balance a few goals that reduce our lowest quality articles, and a few goals that increase our highest quality articles. Shooterwalker (talk) 20:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so, the proposed options are:

1. <=7500 stubs
2. 300+ FAs
3. Vital Level-5 video game articles C+
4. Vital Level-5 video game articles B+
5. Top-Importance articles to B+
6. Clear cover art backlog
7. Clear screenshot backlog

Can we get a vote where everyone picks two options, and then I'll swap in the winners when we pass our 75% start goal? --PresN 15:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

• I vote options 1 and 3. --PresN 15:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Lots of good options, so just picking 2 is tough. I'll go 2 and 3. -- ZooBlazer 16:05, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

After consideration, I go with 1 and 3. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:16, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm thinking 2 and 5, with 3 as a very close third. I pick 5 over 3 because it is much less prone to changing, although I like both as goals. QuicoleJR (talk) 16:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

• I like 1 and 3. I missed the "nomination phase" here I guess, but I'd support a GA-based option ("x% of articles GA or better") ~ A412 ^talk! 16:51, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

• The problem with that one is that we're currently over 5% with 2428, but thousands from 10%. And just going to an even 2500 would be done in 3 months at our current rapid GA pace. --PresN 17:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1 and 6 TarkusAB^talk/contrib 17:30, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

3 and 7. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:33, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

5 and 7 here. Another possible goal is dealing with the former featured gaming articles. Roughly about 34 articles, and some pretty high-importance ones too like the NES. detria^skies 17:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I believe reducing the amount of low-quality articles should take priority, and out of these I think 1 and 3 will accomplish that most expediently, so they get my vote. Cat's Tuxedo (talk) 17:57, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I believe 1 and 3 benefits readers the most. It can be overwhelming to see how many 90s/2000s game articles are just awful looking stubs. Sergecross73 msg me 18:29, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

My vote is going to 1 and 3 per what others have said. I'm also already working (or planning) on de-stubbing some articles, so 1 falls in line. λ NegativeMP1 18:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm gonna go with 1 and then either 6 or 7. Getting rid of the large image backlogs would be neat. CaptainGalaxy 20:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

6 and 7. GamerPro64 22:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

2 and 6. Skyshiftertalk 23:11, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1 and 2. I think dealing with stubs and getting more FAs are the two most important things to do in the project, as we have numerous articles that are either very close to being Start-class or simply not notable. 1 is also something that could easily be coordinated; for example, let's say that 10 users agree to focus on one letter each, doing what they can to figure out which articles are notable and improving them to at least Start-class. It wouldn't be a quick process, but it'd be a gradual one that doesn't take much effort for each individual stub. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 23:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

1 and 6. I think this is the most important in terms of what readers will be looking for, especially 1. ― novov (t c) 07:03, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Seeking additional input on a draft to improve Pokemon by generation lists

I proposed changes here, with a draft here. If anyone could weigh in on what changes are good and what are bad, that'd be wonderful. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 22:26, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't love the [show] tags for every section. It's an accessibility concern and also it's just annoying to click on each one to view the content. I also agree with Mable's comment that losing the coloring/sorting by type is a shame. Axem Titanium (talk) 00:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

While color should not be used in BG colors like that (particularly with those not being web-friendly colors) there is nothing against adding a color swatch associated with the types using {{color sample}}. You still are conveying info by text but providing a secondary means that is within accessibility allowances. — Masem (t) 00:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh I think I quite like the {color sample} idea. I have to agree that using "[show]" is not great here. The tables are about a 100 to 150 entries long and most descriptions are pretty short, so I think it works fine to just have the text there. An overly long description should just be an invitation to remove the cruft until you still have enough to break it out into a new article. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I proposed another version on the talk page. --PresN 11:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Cominy ended its Famitsu service yesterday

While I was searching for a Famitsu score on a video game, I came upon a message that says (translated from Japanese): "The game fan SNS "Cominy", which has been operating since 2011, has ended its service as of March 19, 2024. We would like to express our sincere gratitude to the many customers who have used our service since its launch." That means that all of the Famitsu scoring that had been on the page since 2011 has since vanished from existence on all its links for old video games, and now I can't search for scores below "75" anymore. That means no more old Famitsu scores anymore. Now what? --Angeldeb82 (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you think we should try checking for archived versions of the pages? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I think so. Angeldeb82 (talk) 22:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

GT/FT projects for Nintendo franchises

Given my frequent mentions of a potential project to make some Nintendo franchises a good or featured topic, I've been thinking: which franchise (such as Mario, Kirby, Splatoon, etc.) should we consider making a GT/FT at the present? Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:20, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Not a franchise, but: this. The Virtual Boy GT is almost half GA/FL. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

The fanboy in me wants to say Kirby, but we are actually quite close to completing a Metroid Games GT. I would recommend working on that one. Other than that, a smaller series like Splatoon or Wii Sports would be much easier than a larger series like Mario or Zelda since there will be less articles we would have to work on. QuicoleJR (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Not a whole franchise, but if each Pokémon generation list gets to FL, it could become a FT with List of Pokémon. It was briefly brought up a couple months ago, but not much progress has been made yet. -- ZooBlazer 22:21, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

The Year of Luigi, and the collection of Mario role playing games, are both close to becoming good topics. I'm tracking their progress here, since both are on my radar. Panini! • 🥪 03:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Category:Video games featuring male protagonists

Thoughts on this category? This has been popping up on my watchlist quite a lot recently. I feel like we could tag the vast majority of game articles with this, so it's not exactly defining. IceWelder [✉] 19:33, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Seems WP:NONDEF to me. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

It's a weird case where the female counterpart has some point given the discussion so "obviously there has to be a male one". The female-led one ultimately would be better off as a list than a category though.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 20:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

VGs featuring female protagonists is clearly defining, as well as any disenfranchised group (like non Caucasian, gay, etc). If you pick a video game at random it will feature a white, straight, make protagonist, which is why those cats are non defining. Masem (t) 21:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Oh I'm not defending the category, I agree it's non-defining. I was just replying at the time the possible logic behind it, which is pretty weak.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:02, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Agree it's non-defining (even assuming total gender parity you're classifying... half of all video games?) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 20:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Agree it's not defining. It didn't help that it was also being applied pretty...loosely...by an IP editor that has now been blocked too. Sergecross73 msg me 20:47, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I also agree it's a WP:NONDEF category. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:49, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

If Category:Video games featuring female protagonists exists, I don't see why Category:Video games featuring male protagonists shouldn't, tbh. Skyshiftertalk 20:53, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

The standard here is WP:DEFINING, not "all categories need an equivalent" or "we need parity across category types". Try not to fall into that trap. Sergecross73 msg me 21:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

See, just to weigh in, I'm not even really certain that we need either category. Looking at the female category, it has a whopping 2,000+ entries. Just looking at one example, Abyss Odyssey doesn't even mention gender in the article. The category doesn't seem to venture too deep into iffy definitions, thankfully, I just wonder how many articles in it have any commentary on the presence of a female protagonist. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:14, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm leaning toward this conclusion as well. I think KFM's suggestion for a list (or even an article?) is a good one. Games that were notable in some way for featuring a female protagonist, not the mere presence of (at least one) female playable character. I'm not suggesting that sexism/patriarchy is over, but with 2000+ entries, I don't think the category is helping anyone navigate at this point. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:25, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree with deleting both categories as well as Category:Video games with gender-selectable protagonists. Games with gender-selectable protagonists are usually written as gender-neutral as possible, making the protagonist's gender even less defining. QuietCicada chirp 00:47, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Since there seems to be confusion, the "female protagonists" category exists because a lack of female protagonists in games has been widely cited as a problem. See: Gender representation in video games#As player characters. People have never said there are too few male characters, so it is not defining in the same way, and both don't need to exist. The gender select one has been kept in deletion discussions a couple times, citing the fact that gender selects can sometimes be defining for a game, like in Mass Effect for example. I personally think 95% of the games there are non-defining, but there doesn't seem to be a huge chance of it being deleted? ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 02:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Most people would agree women are underrepresented, sure, as equal numbers would put them at slightly over 50% of all protagonists. There is also great disparity in how they are portrayed (sexualization, infantilization, etc.). But those are very different issues from whether this lack of parity or over abundance of trope-y characterizations make the category defining per policy. Basically every JRPG that has more than one character going back to the 1980s has a female protagonist or five. Every fighting game going back 35 years includes female protagonists. A ton of modern indie games have female protagonists. The list goes on and on (over 2,000 apparently if Wikipedia categorization is a guide). We can both fight for better representation and acknowledge that a category containing thousands of games with little in common isn’t really redressing any past or present representation issues. Indrian (talk) 03:06, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and nominated the "male characters" category for deletion as obviously non-defining, but if people think both should be removed, they can weigh in as well. The male one, however, will likely have to go regardless of what the decision is as it simply doesn't make sense in light of why the category is there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 03:09, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Ultrakill

I could use another set of eyes at Ultrakill. I'm already at my three reverts. Newish user keeps pushing their revision. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Kotaku de-prioritizing news

Kotaku EIC Resigns Over New Editorial Edict: "Jen Glennon, who took over as editor in chief of Kotaku in October, resigned Thursday. In a resignation letter seen by Aftermath, Glennon says that she made this choice due to the management team’s recent decision to deprioritize news in favor of guides."

There is no indication that former news and reviews and non-guide articles previously published will vanish, but I've seen some fears that—as has been with many other sites in this digital media death spiral—that it might eventually start happening. It's currently anxiety, though justified anxiety, but I would recommend keeping an eye out on any Kotaku articles we're currently using or that are useful and make sure they're archived with some service or multiple. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 22:18, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Kotaku has and even recently still does top-notch reporting work (e.g. [1]), in spite of god-awful corporate decisions coming from leafy green CEOs. Please archive your Kotaku sources proactively. The writers are not to blame for the declining quality and hopefully most of them get out of there to a more stable position soon. Axem Titanium (talk) 00:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I saw this too. Thanks for bringing it up here. Good thing to keep an eye on. Sergecross73 msg me 00:04, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Diablo IV release date

It has come to my attention that June 5 is the stated release date on the Diablo IV page. However, every other major publication has reported June 6 as the "official" release date, including the website quoted in the article. Blizzard themselves state, "Are you ready for June 6", and follow it up by specifying the timezone in which the game launches. Can others please weigh in on this page and fix it? It seems like a critical mistake to make for a page that will continue to be among the highest-viewed for a long time to come. Venky64 (talk) 16:19, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I replied on the talk page, but as the article prose already denotes, with source from Blizzard, Blizzard changed the release date to June 5. -- ferret (talk) 16:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Seems simple enough. Either way, this hardly strikes me as a "critical error" when its a single day and it released almost 10 months ago. Not a huge deal in the big picture of things... Sergecross73 msg me 16:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Reminder: GDC Flickr

A reminder that with GDC going on this week, their photostream on Flickr uploads everything (still) under a free license compable CC-BY-2.0 license, so this is a good source for developer images, if you can verify identities. This is usually better for the awards night (Thursday) but you can sometimes get a good image of a person lecturing a room, for example. — Masem (t) 01:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Are any Nintendo folk I'd be interested in using going to be there? Panini! • 🥪 04:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

You can search the schedule here and there are a few Nintendo ppl that will be there, but no names I immediately recognize. Masem (t) 04:24, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Ooh, Takashi Tezuka! His infobox image is long overdue. Panini! • 🥪 04:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the photograph doesn't spend time at every session, through big recognized names that would draw a room, they will be at.

But again, at the awards, they generally photograph every winner and most of the attending nominees, which is why that's a more sure spot. Masem (t) 04:51, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I don’t know who accepted the awards for Tears of the Kingdom − maybe you can recognize him? See File:Game Developers Choice Awards 2024 - Best Technology - The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom - 03.jpg Jean-Fred (talk) 23:08, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Guy on the right looks like Takuhiro Dohta, the technical director. --Mika1h (talk) 23:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

It sure does, and it makes sense that the technical director would be accepting the technology award. Pictures in commons:Category:Takuhiro Dohta. Thanks!

(Per the livestream, the guy on the left was doing the translation) Jean-Fred (talk) 08:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

• Uploads should be added to Commons:Category:Game Developers Conference 2024 TarkusAB^talk/contrib 05:31, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Inviting participation in merge discussions

There are a lot of merge discussions going on right now that have had little to no discussion, including multiple cases where there was no merge discussion at all, just the proposal to merge. I would appreciate anyone who is interested/able to weigh in on the following articles: Jane's US Navy Fighters 97 Bethesda Game Studios Austin Home video game console generations Amazon Lumberyard Transformers Autobots/Transformers Decepticons - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 23:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

April 3 TFA

Jaguar wants to pull PlayStation (console) from the April 3 TFA Main Page slot. We'll need a substitute, probably from WP:Featured articles that haven't been on the Main Page#Video gaming. If anyone's got a suggestion, I'll also need your suggestion for the points that should be highlighted in the blurb. - Dank (push to talk) 19:12, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

4X has been a Featured article since 2008. Maybe nows a good time to put it on the front page. GamerPro64 04:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Some anniversaries: Daytona USA (30th anniversary), Toys for Bob (35 years since foundation) --Mika1h (talk) 11:19, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Looking quickly: Daytona USA checks all the boxes. (Comments?) The 30th anniversary of Civnet is next year ... that might be the closest thing that 4X has to an anniversary, would that work for you GamerPro? - Dank (push to talk) 12:52, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Works perfectly. GamerPro64 00:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

My only comment is to suggest for Doom (2016 video game) to be TFA in February in honor of Vami if possible. I don't have much involvement with TFA coordination but, if someone can put that in. -- ferret (talk) 13:46, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

That one is on for May ... see WP:Today's featured article/requests/Doom (2016 video game). - Dank (push to talk) 13:55, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah if its already running that is fine. :) -- ferret (talk) 14:38, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Ninja Gaiden (arcade game)

I noticed just now in the info box published by Atari for North America, however Atari Lynx games, didn't have US or EU formatting and were released world wide. So doesn't that need correcting? What too? Govvy (talk) 18:01, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

IAG template copyright question

Cross post for opinions, please reply there: Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Template:Internet_Archive_game. Also briefly discussed in Discord before this. -- ferret (talk) 18:34, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

New Articles (March 18 to March 24)

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements

 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.18 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 14:47, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

• Articles deleted/removed: Mind Power (series), Celal Kandemiroglu, Titans Mobile, Wally Scharold, Fortress of the Mutant Waffles
• Drafts deleted/removed: Draft:Sprocket: Tank Design, Draft:Hunt Ducks 4, Draft:Barbedwire Studios, Draft:Sld aaditya, Draft:Persona Fusion, Draft:A.C.R.O.N.Y.M. Games 2, Draft:Airship: Kingdoms Adrift, Draft:Medieval Video Games, Draft:Noah Smith (journalist), Draft:Dustland Runner, Draft:Gamemaya, Draft:Monster Factory (web series), Draft:Pyra and Mythra, Draft:Sandiction Insaan
• Articles redirected: Mushroom Kingdom, Red Bulls (esports), Relic Online, The Sims expansion packs, Brush (video game), Burning Heat, The Black Bass (1986 video game), WP:WikiProject Video games/Reference library/BradyGames, WP:WikiProject Video games/Reference library/Nintendo Player's Guides, WP:WikiProject Video games/Reference library/Prima Games, WP:WikiProject Video games/Reference library/Versus Books, Ninja Gaiden (Atari Lynx), Reich (video game)
• Categories deleted/removed: Disgaea characters, Ninja Gaiden characters
• Templates deleted/removed: {{Dark Pictures Anthology}}
• New categories: Dark Souls characters — Kung Fu Man, Elden Ring characters — Kung Fu Man, FromSoftware — Kung Fu Man, FromSoftware characters — Kung Fu Man, Video games about penguins — (Oinkers42), Defunct video game magazines published in the United Kingdom — ForsythiaJo, Video games about armadillos — ForsythiaJo (newly tagged - originally created 1 month ago), Black Rock Studio games — Waxworker, Marvel vs. Capcom players — Cwf97 (newly tagged - originally created 5 years ago), Mortal Kombat players — Cwf97 (newly tagged - originally created 5 years ago), Elden Ring — Zxcvbnm, Free video game console emulators — Bawanio (newly tagged - originally created 1 year ago), Call of Duty levels — NegativeMP1, Crusader video games — Artanisen, Altar Interactive games — Waxworker, Black Element Software games — Waxworker, CBE Software games — Waxworker, Centauri Production games — Waxworker, Cinemax (video game developer) games — Waxworker, Outerloop Games games — Waxworker, Video games featuring male protagonists — Artanisen, Zodiac Interactive games — Waxworker
• New templates: {{Pokecolor}} — PresN, {{Poketype}} — PresN

March 18

• Lapras (edit talk links history) — Garuda3 (was previously a redirect)
• Undertale Yellow (edit talk links history) — NegativeMP1 (was previously a draft)
• List of Darkstalkers characters (edit talk links history) — Zxcvbnm (was previously a redirect)
• Jamie Christopherson (edit talk links history) — Sjuch8705 (newly tagged – originally created 16 years ago)
• Mars After Midnight (edit talk links history) — FlyingKangeroo
• Shipment (Call of Duty) (edit talk links history) — NegativeMP1 (was previously a userpage)
• Tim Wynn (edit talk links history) — Wynnsong (newly tagged – originally created 15 years ago)

March 19

• Felicia (Darkstalkers) (edit talk links history) — Piotrus (was previously a redirect)
• Amira Virgil (edit talk links history) — Oughtta Be Otters (was previously a userpage – moved out 22 days ago)
• Majin Tensei: Blind Thinker (edit talk links history) — Alexandra IDV (was previously a redirect)
• Super Monkey Ball Banana Rumble (edit talk links history) — VenFlyer98 (newly tagged – originally created 28 days ago)

March 20

• Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013 (edit talk links history) — MKsLifeInANutshell (was previously a draft)
• Sandbox (video game) (edit talk links history) — TheTechLich (was previously a redirect)
• Shin Megami Tensei: 20XX (edit talk links history) — Alexandra IDV
• Stormveil Castle (edit talk links history) — Zxcvbnm
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Reference library/Strategy guides (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) — Thibbs (newly tagged – originally created 6 years ago)
• Zoochosis (video game) (edit talk links history) — Falconik123

March 21

• 2023 Valorant Champions Tour: Tokyo Masters (edit talk links history) — TheGoldenArmor375
• 2024 Valorant Champions (edit talk links history) — TheGoldenArmor375
• 2024 Valorant Champions Tour: Madrid Masters (edit talk links history) — TheGoldenArmor375
• NBA Hotshot (edit talk links history) — Angeldeb82 (newly tagged – originally created 2 months ago)
• Starscourge Radahn (edit talk links history) — Zxcvbnm
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Reference library/Television and film (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) — TarkusAB

March 22

• List of cancelled Xbox 360 games (edit talk links history) — Sergecross73 (was previously a userpage)
• Undawn (edit talk links history) — Skyshifter

March 23

• Cynthia (Pokémon) (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (was previously a redirect)
• Serena (Pokémon) (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (was previously a redirect)
• Team Zero Percent (edit talk links history) — ItzSwirlz (was previously a draft)
• Cindy Aurum (edit talk links history) — Kung Fu Man (was previously a redirect)
• Nemona (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (was previously a userpage)
• PGL CS2 Major Copenhagen 2024 (edit talk links history) — Voltaic181 (newly tagged – originally created 1 month ago)

March 24

• Slime Mori Mori Dragon Quest (edit talk links history) — 2600:1700:209c:c120:cc84:be97:3518:1be7 (was previously a redirect)
• Snufkin: Melody of Moominvalley (edit talk links history) — LaukkuTheGreit (was previously a redirect)
• Garchomp (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (was previously a redirect)
• Gran Turismo for Boys (edit talk links history) — WikiBunny2K1 (was previously a redirect)
• In the Name of the King 2: Two Worlds (edit talk links history) — GORIZARD (newly tagged – originally created 13 years ago)
• Malinche Entertainment (edit talk links history) — Alan De Smet (newly tagged – originally created 17 years ago)
• Pachirisu (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (was previously a redirect)
• Sprigatito (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (was previously a redirect)
• Super Mario Bros. Deluxe (edit talk links history) — Vrxces (was previously a redirect)

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• Am I the only one really feeling iffy about Starscourge Radahn and Stormveil Castle after reading them?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:57, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, though I'm generally skeptical of any stand-alone articles of NPCs or levels/locations like that. They they rarely get meaningful coverage and almost never make sense to be standalone when you consider how much tangential background information they require to get the reader up to speed. Sergecross73 msg me 15:41, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

• It's somewhat moot since the article is 15 years old, but Tim Wynn by Wynnsong seems like a COI/self promo... I'm less familiar with notability rules for composers/musicians but the article is basically unsourced, and I don't get a whole lot of results googling his name. CurlyWi (talk) 18:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, as much as you're not supposed to write your own autobiography, it looks like very little of the tiny stub he started is still present in the article today. WP:MUSICBIO is the notability standard for musicians, FYI. Sergecross73 msg me 18:32, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

  Hmmm, thanks. At a glance he doesn't appear to pass WP:COMPOSER, but I guess if he counts as a musician then he potentially qualifies under "Has performed music for a work of media that is notable." CurlyWi (talk) 19:07, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

GT scope question

Hi. Question for the project. I've become something of a Vanillaware fan and have all their game/developer articles except Unicorn Overlord (and including Princess Crown and Grand Kingdom) up to GA after a long period. I'm planning on nominating Unicorn Overlord sometime next month, and if that passes nominating Vanillaware and its game as a Good Topic. Out of the games they have definitively worked on, there's one that I'm not sure I could include or not, and that's Fantasy Earth Zero. It was partly developed by them, and I've included it on their developer article, but would it be includable in a good topic? ProtoDrake (talk) 21:18, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I am of the opinion that the fact that the developer seemed to eventually become Vanillaware, rather than being one company whose staff went on to create Vanillaware, it would make it fitting. Unless I'm misreading, of course. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

My two cents in this regard is that FEZ does belong in under the Vanillaware topic (despite the name change from Purugaru to Vanillaware). Roberth Martinez (talk) 00:53, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Nominate Disaster Mind for an article?

HI, I can not play video games, but I think this would be a good one to have an article on as it is a FEMA based game [2] Disaster Mind is a video game that has been developed in conjunction with the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). Targeted for teens but anyone can use the simulation to get an understanding of what needs to be considered and how best to take necessary precautions to stay safe. reviewed in [3] LoveElectronicLiterature (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

The correct place is WP:VG/R, but note there is usually an extremely low chance it will be made an article unless you create it yourself.

It also needs to pass WP:GNG guidelines, and in a cursory search, it got no reviews. Simply wanting to advertise a game is not sufficient to have an article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:26, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Metal Gear Solid (1998 video game)

Metal Gear Solid (1998 video game) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. λ NegativeMP1 05:21, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

The Core Contest

Since the WP:VITAL articles were brought up a couple weeks ago (it was me) in regards to potential new goals (which I'm waiting on that last 0.2% on the Start+ goal to finish before swapping over), I thought I'd call out that WP:The Core Contest is starting again for April 15—May 31. It's a contest for improving articles in the VITAL list, which, though a little arbitrary, roughly corresponds to Wikipedia's most important articles. We have one level-3 article (video game), three level-4 articles (video game console, Pokémon, and Tetris) (not the ones I'd pick), and 171 level-5 articles. Of those, 17 are Start-class, and 41 are C-class. So, if you've been thinking "gee, I'd like to work on a more "important"/"foundational"/"notable", yet maybe more difficult, article this year", this is a great time to give it a shot! Unlike other contests, it's not about getting it to GA/FA, it's just about making it better. You just submit your diff of the changes, and the judges nod in appreciation and maybe give you prizes. Give it a shot! --PresN 22:59, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Mario is a level 4 vital article as well; also not one I'd pick. Panini! • 🥪 01:39, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:VITAL is a very arbitrary project designed by a relatively small group of people, but if it inspires people to improve some of our most important articles, then that's great! If you think a subject is more important than a project like VITAL gives it credit for, then the best way to prove how important it is to you is by bringing it to GA or FA quality! Which "high-importance" articles would you all think would be important representations of our Wikiproject and worth bringing to GA/FA? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:34, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

New Articles (March 25 to March 31)

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements

 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.19 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 22:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• Articles deleted/removed: Crazy Bus (video game), AdriPSX, Playground (2022 TV series), Action Code Script, Creative Music File, Develo, Eversim, Naoki Itamura
• Drafts deleted/removed: Draft:Gaming Addiction Scale (G.A.S.), Draft:Magic Game World, Draft:Multishot, Draft:Solarus (game engine), Draft:Dashdreader1 Roblox Hacker, Draft:Boris Hiestand, Draft:Calvin Meeking, Draft:Elle Osili-Wood, Draft:Factory game, Draft:Cyclizar, Draft:Far Cry 7, Draft:Post Boredom Games, Draft:Blood And Bacon
• Articles redirected: Kill Screen Festival, Lapras, Gran Turismo for Boys, Game Jackal, Bork3D Game Engine, CopperCube, Future Racer, Real Virtuality (game engine)
• New categories: Final Fantasy V characters — Kung Fu Man, Idol FX games — Waxworker, Life Is Strange characters — Kung Fu Man, Opus Studio games — Waxworker, Video games about the Colosseum — Gray eyes, Final Fantasy V character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Video games designed by Robert Yang — A412, AliceSoft games — Waxworker, Final Fantasy IV characters — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy IX character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy VIII character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy VII character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy VI character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy XIII character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy XIII characters — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy XII character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy XII characters — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy XV character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy X character redirects to lists — Kung Fu Man, Final Fantasy species — Kung Fu Man, Minecraft characters — Di (they-them), Splatoon characters — QuicoleJR, 2003 video games with demos — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2004 video games with demos — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2006 video games with demos — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2009 video games with demos — Vitaly Zdanevich, Board games based on video games — Mika1h, HappySoft games — Waxworker, Video games with demos — Vitaly Zdanevich, Manic Media games — Ringtail Raider, Level Infinite games — Waxworker, Playdate (console) games — Waxworker, Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Red and Blue — Cukie Gherkin
• New templates: {{.io games}} — Johnson524, {{Pokémon Generation 1}} — Cukie Gherkin, {{Pokémon Generation 2}} — Cukie Gherkin, {{Pokémon Generation 3}} — Cukie Gherkin, {{Pokémon Generation 4}} — Cukie Gherkin, {{Pokémon Generation 5}} — Captain Galaxy, {{Pokémon Generation 6}} — Captain Galaxy, {{Pokémon Generation 7}} — Captain Galaxy, {{Pokémon Generation 8}} — Kung Fu Man, {{Pokémon Generation 9}} — Kung Fu Man

March 25

• Sokobond Express (edit talk links history) — A412 (was previously a redirect)
• Dead or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation (edit talk links history) — RexWill01 (was previously a redirect)
• Dragon Ball: Sparking! Zero (edit talk links history) — SosukeAizenHADO (was previously a redirect)
• Model synthesis (edit talk links history) — Jack4576
• The Black Bass (1984 video game) (edit talk links history) — Parrothead1983 (newly tagged – originally created 13 years ago)
• Totally Reliable Delivery Service (edit talk links history) — Aya19790 (previously a draft: accepted AfC submission)

March 26

• Dead Reckoning (video game) (edit talk links history) — Timur9008
• Stellar Conquest (video game) (edit talk links history) — BOZ

March 27

• Despicable Me: The Game (edit talk links history) — 2600:1002:b0cd:734b:0:10:2ac2:1d01 (previously a draft: accepted AfC submission)
• Irodorimidori (edit talk links history) — Tebus19 (newly tagged – originally created 2 years ago)
• Matt (Wii Sports) (edit talk links history) — NatwonTSG2 (previously a userpage: undrafted by original creator)

March 28

• Portland Retro Gaming Expo (edit talk links history) — Seattleretroguy (previously a draft: accepted AfC submission)
• Squirrel with a Gun (edit talk links history) — NootyNooter (previously a userpage: undrafted by original creator)

March 29

• Wuthering Waves (edit talk links history) — Spectrazzz (previously a draft)
• Tim Weaver (author) (edit talk links history) — DeathStar1977 (previously a userpage – moved out 10 years ago)

March 30

• List of Pokémon anime characters (edit talk links history) — MegaHL90 (newly tagged – originally created 16 years ago)
• The International 2024 (edit talk links history) — TheGoldenArmor375
• Valhalla Hills (edit talk links history) — Vrxces

March 31

• Persona 5: The Phantom X (edit talk links history) — MaksimFisher (was previously a redirect)
• Mushroom Kingdom (edit talk links history) — 166.48.119.67 (was previously a redirect)
• Exdeath (edit talk links history) — Kung Fu Man
• Millennia (video game) (edit talk links history) — CanonNi (previously a draft: accepted AfC submission)
• Riesz (Trials of Mana) (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (previously a userpage: undrafted by original creator)
• Rocket Racing (edit talk links history) — NegativeMP1 (previously a userpage: undrafted by original creator)
• Zombotron (edit talk links history) — WhoAteMyButter (previously a draft – moved out 7 months ago: undrafted by original creator)

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Changelog: Now tagging articles that were previously drafts or userpages as being AfC submissions or moved to article space by the original creator, if applicable. --PresN 22:56, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Category that needs deletion

I noticed that Category:Video games featuring male protagonists was non admin closed as delete on the 28th of March but had not actually been deleted yet over six days later. Can an administrator please do the honours since I’m assuming the lack of deletion is an oversight? 67.70.101.200 (talk) 01:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I see you're referring to this discussion and . Yes, you are correct, it should be deleted. While its pretty open and shut, I'd still prefer someone else performs it since I was a participant in the discussion. Sergecross73 msg me 17:24, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I tagged it with speedy G6 using {{Db-xfd}} since it was closed as delete but not implemented. In the future, feel free to tag things that have closed as delete through a consensus process (AFD, CFD, etc.) in this manner. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Sakura Wars

So, back in March, the localized title for the Sakura Wars PS2 remake was changed from "To My Heating Blood" to "In Hot Blood" as per the discussion over at Talk:Sakura Wars#Localized Title for Sakura Wars: Atsuki Chishio Ni. Given that, any thoughts from other project members on this? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree with that decision, to be honest. But then, Sakura Wars titles are a hot topic due to none of them being officially localized outside So Long, My Love. --ProtoDrake (talk) 22:47, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Atomic Heart talk

Hi everyone! Idiot that I am, in my nearly 18 years on Wikipedia I was legitimately blocked for the first time the other day, edit warring over Atomic Heart. I should've asked for input sooner and not continued reverting of course, but better late than never, right? The discussion concerns mentioning another game as a comparison. See Talk: Atomic Heart#Bioshock. Input is appreciated. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 19:47, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Arcade cabinet images

At Daytona USA, today’s featured article, a user tried to upload a photo they had taken of a bank of the game’s arcade cabinets. A cool addition, but I was reminded of something I was told at the article’s FAC in this diff: [4]. The reviewer, who is probably the most tenured reviewer of images in featured articles, expressed that arcade cabinets fall under utility objects and that an image of an arcade cabinet with its stickers or any imagery on it is inherently copyrighted by the maker of the game. What happened today reminded me of that, and brought up a couple of questions for members of this project:

• Is any image of an arcade cabinet actually copyrighted unless it has no stickers, identifying marks, or video?
• Do we need to consider removing all arcade cabinet images with any labeling or graphics from all arcade game articles and nominate “free” ones for deletion?
  • I’ll point out as well that many arcade flyers, which we usually allow one of for fair use identification, picture at least one model of their games’ arcade cabinet, but not all do.

I would like to hear the opinions of experienced project members on this, as it seems a serious question that will have repercussions for our arcade game articles. Red Phoenix ^talk 21:53, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• I think you're maybe misunderstanding the implications of what Nikkimaria said. They're saying that an arcade cabinet's shape itself can't be copyrighted, but that the graphics on it can be (and likely are). So, A photo of an arcade cabinet can't be free-use, because it's still a photo of copyrighted content. It's the exact same argument for why taking a photo of a physical game box isn't a free-use photo- the box design/shape may not be copyrighted, but the box art is still copyrighted whether it's a photo or a direct jpg.
• I don't understand why that would lead to removing all arcade cabinet images, any more than it would lead to removing all box art images. It just means the photos are fair-use, not free-use. That typically means, if it's not the infobox image, that it should be adding something specific to the article (just like gameplay screenshots have to have a purpose). Usually, the actual shape of the cabinet or physicality is discussed, so it should be fine. --PresN 22:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

• I disagree a bit with your assessment in that the comparison of box art images are a more exact parallel to arcade flyers, which all are absolutely tagged for copyright, than cabinet pictures, which at this moment are not. As far as I have ever seen, all of the arcade cabinet images I have seen used in articles are tagged as free use and not as copyrighted; I have yet to see a single occurrence of a non-free image of an arcade cabinet being used here. That may be because of a community misunderstanding of the copyright, and that’s the largest part of what I’m getting at. Even then, per the WP:NFCC, I’d have a hard time saying that both an arcade flyer and a picture of the cabinet are justified as minimal use in illustrating a game. I’m not saying a justification of the NFCC to include a cabinet picture couldn’t be done, but there are a lot of articles that have cabinet pictures tagged as free that truthfully aren’t. Red Phoenix ^talk 00:54, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

This is a discussion for Commons. But, I'll say this: consider that U.S. de minimis laws protect photos "where a technical violation is so trivial that the law will not impose legal consequences". In the case of arcade cabinet photos, the copyrighted artwork is typically a small portion of the photo, is skewed, maybe discolored, and/or blurred. The main intent of most arcade game photos is to capture the cabinet utility (the seat, the controls, cabinet size), which is acceptable. The cabinet artwork will be so warped that I don't think you can call it a derivative work. That's my interpretation. But as is with copyright laws, there's no fine line. You'll never know what's OK unless you take a photo to court. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 02:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, de minimis is what allows us to have photographs of arcades in general, as these photos are of many machines with little direct focus on any specific cabinet so that while there may be some copyrighted art shown, its not the essence of the photo nor can the photo be used to extract high quality versions of the art. Masem (t) 02:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

There may be more recent examples that came to a different conclusion but at [[5]] a singular Donkey Kong arcade cabinet was kept as de minimis in 2011.--67.70.101.200 (talk) 23:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dead or Alive Xtreme Venus Vacation

Any opinions are welcomed here at this canvassed afd. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 11:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Splitting discussion for Kingdom Hearts χ

An article that this project has been involved with (Kingdom Hearts χ) has content that is proposed to be removed and moved to another article (Kingdom Hearts Dark Road). If you are interested, please visit the discussion. Thank you. (Oinkers42) (talk) 16:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

New Articles (April 1 to April 7)

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements

 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 15:57, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Articles deleted/removed: Inverse Ninjas VS. The Public Domain, Marvel's Spider-Man 3, Michael Pierre Price
• Drafts deleted/removed: Draft:Eric Nofsinger, Draft:List of fictional characters featuring teenage pregnancy, Draft:Neverwinter awakening, Draft:No Comment (2b2t), Draft:PeanutButterGamer, Draft:ZhuZhu Pets (video game), Draft:List of Apple Arcade games, Draft:Dreamers (videogioco), Draft:Nickverse, Draft:Blinnk and the Vacuum of Space, Draft:Miguel Nogueira, Draft:Untitled The Witcher video game, Draft:Untitled second The Witcher video game, Draft:Untitled third The Witcher video game, Draft:Esports Awards, Draft:List of Object Show games, Draft:Super Mario Bros. Extra
• Articles redirected: Big Boss (Metal Gear), It's dangerous to go alone!, OeFun, Hero Wars (video game), Matt (Wii Sports), Magic Stones, Felicia (Darkstalkers), Kevin Saunders (video game developer)
• Categories deleted/removed: Video games featuring male protagonists, Fantasy wrestling
• Templates deleted/removed: {{.io games}}
• New categories: Animal Crossing character redirects to lists — TAnthony (newly tagged - originally created 5 months ago), Video game characters with superhuman durability or invulnerability — The Editor 155 (newly tagged - originally created 9 months ago), The New York Times Games — Favre1fan93, Video game characters introduced in 2024 — Kung Fu Man, Counter Logic Gaming — Prisencolin (newly tagged - originally created 7 years ago), Draknek & Friends games — A412 (newly tagged - originally created 1 month ago), Esports competitions in Vietnam — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports competitions in the United Kingdom — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Argentina — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Australia — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Bangladesh — Shakib69SH (newly tagged - originally created 7 months ago), Esports in Belarus — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Belgium — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Canada — Hugo999 (newly tagged - originally created 8 years ago), Esports in Denmark — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Finland — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Germany — Prisencolin (newly tagged - originally created 7 years ago), Esports in Greece — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Iceland — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in India — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Mexico — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Norway — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Peru — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Poland — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Romania — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Sweden — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Taiwan — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Turkey — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Ukraine — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in Uruguay — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), Esports in the Netherlands — Gray eyes (newly tagged - originally created 4 months ago), FlyQuest — Prisencolin (newly tagged - originally created 7 years ago), Kuro Games games — Waxworker, Media Station games — Waxworker, Piranha Interactive Publishing games — Waxworker, Ecole Software games — Waxworker, Final Fantasy lead images — Kung Fu Man, Metro Corporation games — Waxworker, Widescreen Games games — Waxworker, Free software that uses SDL — ScotXW (newly tagged - originally created 10 years ago), Inland Productions games — Waxworker, Proprietary software that uses SDL — ScotXW (newly tagged - originally created 10 years ago), Video game characters introduced in 1982 — Cukie Gherkin, 1996 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 1997 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 1998 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 1999 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2000 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2001 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2002 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2003 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2004 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2005 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2006 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2007 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2008 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2011 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2019 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, 2020 Windows-only freeware games — Vitaly Zdanevich, Final Fantasy protagonists — Cukie Gherkin, Fire Emblem protagonists — Cukie Gherkin, Hasbro Interactive games — Mika1h, Mario (franchise) protagonists — Cukie Gherkin, Mario role-playing game characters — Cukie Gherkin, Pokémon protagonists — Cukie Gherkin, Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Diamond and Pearl — Cukie Gherkin, Pokémon species introduced in Pokémon Sword and Shield — Cukie Gherkin, Punch-Out!! character redirects to lists — Cukie Gherkin, The Legend of Zelda protagonists — Cukie Gherkin
• New templates: {{Dungeons}} — SoWhy (newly tagged - originally created 5 years ago), {{Tokyo RPG Factory}} — Maxtremus (newly tagged - originally created 2 years ago)

April 1

• American Arcadia (edit talk links history) — TrademarkedTWOrantula (previously a draft: accepted AfC submission)
• Cat Bird (edit talk links history) — Captain Galaxy
• Charlotte (Trials of Mana) (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (previously a userpage: undrafted by original creator)
• Fallout: The Board Game (edit talk links history) — Vivatheviva (newly tagged – originally created 1 year ago)

April 2

• Another Crab's Treasure (edit talk links history) — Ryan York
• Bass Masters Classic: Tournament Edition (edit talk links history) — Timur9008
• Content Warning (edit talk links history) — TwitchingMovie
• José Rafael Marcano (edit talk links history) — NoonIcarus
• Ms. Pac-Man (character) (edit talk links history) — Cukie Gherkin (was previously a redirect)
• Silfade (edit talk links history) — Neko jarashi (newly tagged – originally created 16 years ago)

April 3

• BFG (weapon) (edit talk links history) — Aspects (was previously a redirect)
• Discovery 2.0 (edit talk links history) — BOZ
• Pokémon Theme (edit talk links history) — PieGuy42 (newly tagged – originally created 15 years ago)
• Waluigi effect (edit talk links history) — Zatsugaku (previously a draft – moved out 1 month ago: accepted AfC submission)
• Xbox Developer Direct (edit talk links history) — Ryan York

April 4

• Mortal Online 2 (edit talk links history) — Artanisen
• N-Gage (edit talk links history) — Pincerr (newly tagged – originally created 11 years ago)
• Savvy Games Group (edit talk links history) — Ryan York (was previously a redirect)
• Strands (edit talk links history) — DecafPotato (previously a draft: undrafted by original creator)

April 5

• Black Orchid (Killer Instinct) (edit talk links history) — MoonJet (was previously a redirect)
• Adrenalin Misfits (edit talk links history) — MKsLifeInANutshell
• Anbernic (edit talk links history) — Thebrid
• Ore no Shikabane wo Koete Yuke (edit talk links history) — ProtoDrake
• Wayward Strand (edit talk links history) — IgelRM

April 6

• AMD TrueAudio (edit talk links history) — ScotXW (newly tagged – originally created 9 years ago)
• Assassin's Creed: Blade of Shao Jun (edit talk links history) — Xexerss (newly tagged – originally created 2 years ago)
• Eve (Stellar Blade) (edit talk links history) — Kung Fu Man (was previously a redirect)
• Lin Qi (entrepreneur) (edit talk links history) — Thriley (previously a draft: undrafted by original creator)
• MyHouse.wad (edit talk links history) — WhoAteMyButter (previously a draft: undrafted by original creator)

April 7

• Essays on Empathy (edit talk links history) — Vrxces

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Category:Windows-only freeware games and all the year-based categories under it seem awfully WP:OVERCATty and like a non-defining intersection. ~ A412 ^talk! 16:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I have to admit, I didn't expect the Waluigi effect article to be what it was. Figured it was going to be a meme thing. Sergecross73 msg me 19:33, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yuuki (Sword Art Online Character)

Opinions requested on this controversial afd (last req). GreenishPickle! (🔔) 22:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Greenish Pickle! Probably wasn't necessary. Bludgeoning aside the consensus is pretty clear. Edit: Or well, I thought so. Looks like it's relisted. -- ferret (talk) 23:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

You know what? Let's do it. Let's bring Mario to GA

Hey everyone! I have had this article on my radar for quite some time and it's one that's been nagging at me, especially recently. So why not, in the year of our Lord 2024, why not bring Mario to GA? I'm talking full overhaul, because he needs it. I haven't done any big projects as of late, except for the ones I've been ignoring.

I'm leaving this message to see if others in the project are interested in teaming up and taking this one on as a team. Something along the lines of divvying up the work+collaboration, I mean. This is not one I would want to take on myself, especially since I don't have large bursts of time anymore. Such a project scares me to take on alone and I'm not the most experienced, anyhow. So, if anyone is interested let me know; this isn't something I want to hit the ground running on right away, so this is here to spark motion for those that are interested. Panini! • 🥪 21:13, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I might help copyedit a bit. I would help more if I had any idea how to bring a character article to GA. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

As you know, it's already on my watchlist, and I'll be around to help review, guide, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 22:08, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I might also be able to help with bringing this article (and Luigi) up to GA status. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 03:10, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I really hope you can pull this off! It's an exciting prospect but a daunting project. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:39, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't have much free time at the moment, at least for the near future, but I can try to help out where I can. Feel free to ping me if you need any help. DecafPotato (talk) 04:39, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I could may work on the reception section which is mostly just listicles and trivia, and I also have articles I wanted to GA such as Rayman 2 and M NatwonTSG2 (talk) 12:27, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I'm thinking about adding cosplays of Mario to the legacy section. I have found two celebrities cosplaying Mario. Seth Rogen [6] and Kendell Jenner [7]. Just need a third one. Kazama16 (talk) 5:38, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for all the kind words; I don't want to pull any major triggers without consensus, so as I work I will be detailing my progress and any pending changes on the Mario talk page. Feel free to leave comments or pitch in as well! Panini! • 🥪 00:49, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

I'll help with more minor issues (ref formatting), but I may do some major copyediting here and there. TWOrantula^TM (enter the web) 00:23, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Goals update

Well, it took a few weeks more than I expected, but as of today our goal of 75%+ of articles Start-class or better has been reached! (and our goal of 10% of articles B-Class or better is at 101.2% done). As such, based on the poll at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 174#Goals, I'm replacing them both with two new goals:

• Less than 7,500 stubs
• All Vital Level-5 video game articles C+

Congratulations, everyone! --PresN 18:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

That is some fantastic work. I think the lowering of the amount of stubs we have is more important work overall. I count 13 articles in that Vitals list that isnt already C+.Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:52, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Updated the link to a better list page- there's a bunch that aren't under "#Video games" that we have tagged, so we're actually at 35 to go (286/321). That includes Home video game console, though, our only List-Class Vital article- does that count as less than C or does it need to be FL-Class to count? --PresN 19:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

And since someone asked on Discord- the way I set up the goal for stubs is that it starts at the number of stubs we have today (8832) and tracks the progress from there to 7500. So, we start at 0%, unlike most of our goals which start at some percentage in the middle. --PresN 20:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Looking for Further Input on Merge Discussions

I recently opened merge discussions for Snorlax and Greninja at Talk:List_of_generation_I_Pokémon#Snorlax_Merge_Discussion and Talk:List_of_generation_VI_Pokémon#Greninja Merge Discussion respectively. The merge discussions have been up for a week with very little discussion, so I'd appreciate some additional input from other editors in regards to the proposed merges. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:06, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Rewriting the List of the Legend of Zelda Characters page

Hello, I'm trying to figure out if it would be a good idea to rewrite the list Legend of Zelda characters page. That page is very confusing to navigate, but I think I know how to make it better. If we could categorize all the characters into their race, perhaps it would be easier. For example, have Link under the Hylian tab, and Ganon under the Gerudo tab. All I want is to make this article better, and I hope you do too! Thank you for your time and consideration. 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4 (talk) 18:15, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

That would be significantly more confusing for anyone who is not already a Zelda fan, and most of our audience are probably not Zelda fans. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Additionally, we do not write articles from an in-universe perspective. We order lists like this either by character type (protagonists, villains, supporting characters, etc.) or by game they first appeared in. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, agreed it needs cleanup, but we don't want to organize it by in-universe story traits. We'd want to do something easily understood by fans and non-fans alike. Alphabetical order, chronological order by introduction, by game release, etc. (Not advocating any particular way, just giving examples.) Sergecross73 msg me 19:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Would it be better to organize it like List of Mario franchise characters or List of Animal Crossing series characters? The first one demonstrates sorting by type, the second one demonstrates sorting by release. I think that sorting them alphabetically is a bad idea. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

For whatever reason, most of the Zelda game articles lack a Characters subsection under Plot. A lot of these characters should probably be exported to their respective game pages, leaving only the most major recurring characters on the list page. The BotW/TotK section is also far too long and includes many minor characters who probably don't even warrant inclusion post-export/cleanup. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

That's was exactly my problem. So perhaps we should reorganize the characters into their own games instead? 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4 (talk) 12:20, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes absolutely. If you're up for it, feel free to be WP:BOLD and start the process. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:43, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! One other question, would it be better to fix the actual page or the page for each individual game? Either way, I will need help to add information, because I don't want to take all the credit! I want this to be a team effort. Thank you again! 2601:48:C601:5550:E549:7E42:A0FC:52F4 (talk) 18:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia is a collaborative effort though sometimes that collaboration manifests in the form of large changes instigated by one editor, followed over time by numerous edits that fix or adjust things. If you feel comfortable doing so, I would encourage you to register an account so people have an easier time communicating and collaborating with you. As for the article at hand, I'm sure improvement will take the form of not only fixing/improving the actual page, but also exporting relevant information to other pages and improving them as well. Axem Titanium (talk) 19:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Link for convenience: List of The Legend of Zelda characters QuicoleJR (talk) 19:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Xenoblade Chronicles 3 GA / Clean-Up

Xenoblade Chronicles 3 is well on its way to being a GA. It was previously nominated by User:Zekerocks11, who I thought was doing good work until they left Wikipedia. (And I hope they one day return.) Most of it is well sourced and well researched, and would benefit from a cleanup (in discussing the plot, music, and battle system). If a few editors take a crack at it, I'm sure it could reach GA with only a bit more work. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:23, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Is it really usual to have a somewhat uncited gameplay section? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree, the amount of sourcing in the gameplay section is definitely quite distant from GA level. The writing could also be improved; e.g. just mentioning the DLC without further elaboration isn't very clear. ― novov (t c) 05:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Pocket Ants

Is it possible to make a wikipedia page about it? It's a mobile videogame where you can control an ant colony, but I don't know if there is enough information to make an article about it. And this website tends to be specific about what sources can be used and which can not, i do not know if an article about this is acceptable. Oixyplanet (talk) 06:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Oixyplanet, from a quick search through the list of reliable sources own custom search engine, there is very little to go on. One result is the Metacritic entry, but there is nothing really there either. Doesn't look notable enough. Hope this helps. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:27, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Shame. Can I still try making a draft though? Oixyplanet (talk) 22:29, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

@Oixyplanet: You can try, but there's no guarantee it becomes an article. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright! Thank you! I am aware of that and will try to back up everything I can, even if that means unpermitted sources, so I am not expecting it to become an article. I am thinking of using the wiki for it. Oixyplanet (talk) 08:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

User:A particle for world to form/Potential copyvio

Hello. I've wrote a script that compares Wikipedia videogame articles with Steam descriptions (Steam link is obtained via Wikidata). Initially I've developed it for Russian Wikipedia, but I've decided to run it on enwiki as well.

The script found more than 50 potential copyvios. I've cleaned some of them, but there're too many cases to handle alone. I've published the list there, hope it would be useful.

Careful, there might be some false positives. A particle for world to form (talk) 10:41, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for putting this together! Axem Titanium (talk) 18:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Fanbyte

Hey, I just thought I'd let people know that some Fanbyte pages are down, and it seems that, even though they're archived, they don't play well with archive.org. [8] [9] The site itself is not down, and other articles like this seem to work fine, but it may be that the site is having issues or going down. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh that's super weird. Do you happen to have the old, "non-legacy" url to see if it's on archive.org? Must be something weird about how IA is handling the request. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Yeah I checked with Kung Fu Man, it turns out it's just some weird handling with legacy stuff. I was able to find it archived properly. Still, would be good to fix the Fanbyte links, just in case it does go down. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

AU release info initiative

Hi, can we start paying more attention to pages that don't have any Australian release info? Many older games are missing this information. I will be adding dates I find from Nintendo Magazine System (Australia), retail websites such as The Gamesmen, and contemporary Newspapers.com sources, but it'd be great if everyone else could look out for this as well. Thanks! Venky64 (talk) 19:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

For older games, it is effectively the EU release date because they are both PAL territories. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 21:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Not exactly. I've seen many cases where the dates between the two differ by anywhere between one day to ten. And Australia usually receives games on Thursdays, while regions like the United Kingdom get them on Fridays. In any case, it is worth looking into. Check out the recent edit I did on Turok: Dinosaur Hunter for just one example of this. Venky64 (talk) 22:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Australia is almost a full day ahead the US and half a day ahead of Europe. Could that be the reason for the discrepancy? Axem Titanium (talk) 21:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not just that, and when that is the case, the official release listings for the two regions are different.

Here are more examples of games with distinctly different Australia release dates that I've edited in recently:

Driver 3, Icewind Dale, Diablo II, Mystery Case Files: The Malgrave Incident, Golden Sun: The Lost Age, Dungeon Keeper 2, Commandos 2, and Eternal Darkness. There really is a distinction, especially as you go further back! The homogeneity seen in release dates between both regions has closed with time, with PAL regions only being a common catch-all release listing with the advent of the digital release era around the early to mid 2010s. Venky64 (talk) 22:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I am all in for including Australian release dates!

In fact since I am from Australia myself (despite not being born here), this is exactly what we all needed! NakhlaMan (talk) 13:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

I think it’s a little situationally dependent, but in general I think it’s a good idea as long as sources can be found, and especially if the date differs quite significantly. Working in video games from the late 80s and early 90s as I often do, for instance, worldwide simultaneous releases weren’t really a thing for a while and the release date for Australia can vary wildly even from Europe (which in itself isn’t always one solid date any often varied from UK to other countries). Other regions are also situationally dependent - Master System and Genesis era Sega releases, for instance, I will sometimes include Brazil because it was a notable region for those systems. Red Phoenix ^talk 13:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)