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AU release info initiative edit

Latest comment: 13 days ago7 comments5 people in discussion

Hi, can we start paying more attention to pages that don't have any Australian release info? Many older games are missing this information. I will be adding dates I find from Nintendo Magazine System (Australia), retail websites such as The Gamesmen, and contemporary Newspapers.com sources, but it'd be great if everyone else could look out for this as well. Thanks! Venky64 (talk) 19:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

For older games, it is effectively the EU release date because they are both PAL territories. TarkusABtalk/contrib 21:20, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Not exactly. I've seen many cases where the dates between the two differ by anywhere between one day to ten. And Australia usually receives games on Thursdays, while regions like the United Kingdom get them on Fridays. In any case, it is worth looking into. Check out the recent edit I did on Turok: Dinosaur Hunter for just one example of this. Venky64 (talk) 22:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Australia is almost a full day ahead the US and half a day ahead of Europe. Could that be the reason for the discrepancy? Axem Titanium (talk) 21:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's not just that, and when that is the case, the official release listings for the two regions are different.
Here are more examples of games with distinctly different Australia release dates that I've edited in recently:
Driver 3, Icewind Dale, Diablo II, Mystery Case Files: The Malgrave Incident, Golden Sun: The Lost Age, Dungeon Keeper 2, Commandos 2, and Eternal Darkness. There really is a distinction, especially as you go further back! The homogeneity seen in release dates between both regions has closed with time, with PAL regions only being a common catch-all release listing with the advent of the digital release era around the early to mid 2010s. Venky64 (talk) 22:46, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I am all in for including Australian release dates!
In fact since I am from Australia myself (despite not being born here), this is exactly what we all needed! NakhlaMan (talk) 13:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think it’s a little situationally dependent, but in general I think it’s a good idea as long as sources can be found, and especially if the date differs quite significantly. Working in video games from the late 80s and early 90s as I often do, for instance, worldwide simultaneous releases weren’t really a thing for a while and the release date for Australia can vary wildly even from Europe (which in itself isn’t always one solid date any often varied from UK to other countries). Other regions are also situationally dependent - Master System and Genesis era Sega releases, for instance, I will sometimes include Brazil because it was a notable region for those systems. Red Phoenix talk 13:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Fanbyte edit

Latest comment: 13 days ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hey, I just thought I'd let people know that some Fanbyte pages are down, and it seems that, even though they're archived, they don't play well with archive.org. [1] [2] The site itself is not down, and other articles like this seem to work fine, but it may be that the site is having issues or going down. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oh that's super weird. Do you happen to have the old, "non-legacy" url to see if it's on archive.org? Must be something weird about how IA is handling the request. Axem Titanium (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah I checked with Kung Fu Man, it turns out it's just some weird handling with legacy stuff. I was able to find it archived properly. Still, would be good to fix the Fanbyte links, just in case it does go down. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 21:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Good article nominations edit

Latest comment: 12 days ago9 comments6 people in discussion

Whilst the WP:VG GAN backlog isn't that bad, there is quite the influx of nominations recently - for example, seven Pokémon articles are nominated, six from the same user! Just a light touch encouragement to consider trying out reviewing good article candidates if you haven't done so already. Happy to provide advice on the process. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 22:03, 16 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I thought you weren't allowed to have that many GANs open at the same time? Axem Titanium (talk) 04:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Probably not ideal, no. I'm guilty of it: I've nominated a second GAN as The Sims Online is a larger one that's sat dormant for some time, but agree that many is a bit much and probably not worth encouragement. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 05:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I try to nominate only as many articles as I review myself, so as to avoid something like this. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 05:26, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would definitely recommend User:Pokelego999 willingly withdraw the majority of the nominations they made until the existing ones are out of the way. It is simply not realistic to be able to address all of them in a reasonable time if they were all reviewed at the same time. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Just as an aside, I've confirmed on the GAN talk page that there's no limit to nominations, so really this stuff is just a matter of courtesy and community views on how best to manage. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 06:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not expecting editors to lay down what they're doing to cover these. Editors can cover them when they wish to cover them, I'm not exactly trying to rush anything, both for myself and other editors. In any case, one of my six has already passed, and another is in the middle of the review. I'm planning to hit up some of the backlog in any case, and I'll be trying to get on those as soon as possible. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 20:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
No worries, as above definitely not doing anything wrong, just wanted to encourage some momentum by raising the discussion. I'll pick one up too. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 20:22, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agreed, in fact I think that editors should be encouraged to nominate as many as they can realistically support as the nominator- it doesn't serve Wikipedia to not participate in the process as fully as possible. That said, editors should also take care to review at similar volumes to what they nominate, in this and every other process, which Pokelego999 does, so no worries there. --PresN 21:23, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
I will have much more time in a couple of weeks, so I could potentially take a few then. I tried it out for the backlog drive recently, and it was not as hard as I thought. QuicoleJR (talk) 20:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Draft:Antón Castillo edit

Latest comment: 12 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Dear WikiProject members,

I was just wondering whether any members of this WikiProject would consider contributing to a draft article about Antón Castillo, the central antagonist of Far Cry 6. The draft is still in its early stages, but it has potential to reach a quality standard, similar to the articles of the antagonists of Far Cry 3–5: Vaas Montenegro, Pagan Min and Joseph Seed. I have had very little experience in editing video game articles, so I was hoping that a few editors here may be able to lend a hand.

If you are interested, please indicate this with a short message below, or simply start contributing to the draft. :)

Kind regards and all the best, Lotsw73 (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Good article reassessment for Fallout: New Vegas edit

Latest comment: 12 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Fallout: New Vegas has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. – zmbro (talk) (cont) 18:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Good article reassessment for Fallout 3 edit

Latest comment: 11 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Fallout 3 has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 12:23, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

New Articles (April 8 to April 14) edit

Latest comment: 7 days ago12 comments4 people in discussion
Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 13:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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Sorry for the delay, I was out of town. --PresN 13:10, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Did you have fun - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 13:11, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
It was a work trip, so not that much! --PresN 13:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
Oh no - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Is YouTube within the project scope? Axem Titanium (talk) 18:34, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
They recently added (bad) video games. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 20:54, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Axem Titanium, YouTube has had a large impact on gaming (Let's Plays), so yes. — 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 23:11, 21 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Is it related to "gaming" as a concept? Yes, of course, obviously. Is it "within the project scope"? Not as clear. What benefit does being scoped under WPVG provide to the article? Are we just staking jurisdiction for the sake of it? Axem Titanium (talk) 17:07, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
As I noted, I think that, even aside from YouTube being relevant for gaming YouTuber reasons, they do have games on the platform now that you can play. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 22:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Still doesn't really answer my question. Other than asserting jurisdiction because we can, what support does this WP provide that the other *checks notes* 13 wikiprojects and task forces don't? Axem Titanium (talk) 05:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
As a preface to any further discussion, do you feel similarly towards Twitch being under this project? - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 06:16, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Are you trying to gotcha me? As a service built expressly for video games, I think Twitch has a much more obvious connection to the project scope than Youtube, which does many things and gaming is just one aspect of it. A brief glance at the edit history statistics shows many more WPVG regulars on the Twitch page than Youtube. I'm not morally opposed to including it in the project scope; I'm just confused why we'd even bother if we're realistically not going to ever make it the focus of a project article improvement drive, nor is anyone going to think to ask for help on it here. It feels like padding the project numbers for the sake of it. That said, there are tons of WPVG-tagged articles that have far more tenuous connections to the project than this so 🤷‍♂️ Axem Titanium (talk) 07:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I feel with as many streamers are under the project and how concepts like Let's Play are commonly associated with Youtube, it works under the banner Axem.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:08, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
...No? What are you talking about, I asked for clarification. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 07:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Baldur's Gate 3 edit

Latest comment: 10 days ago4 comments3 people in discussion

Would it be appropriate to split its reception section to its own article since that is so very large? I swear I’ve seen that on other articles but can’t think of an example. 2600:1008:B048:72B9:1060:2B2:2A8C:721D (talk) 16:27, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

No, that's something we've generally shied away from in recent years. Its excessive. Sergecross73 msg me 16:37, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh ok fair enough! Thanks 2600:1008:B048:72B9:1060:2B2:2A8C:721D (talk) 16:46, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
That section doesn't strike me as large at all. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 19:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Difference between PAL and EU/AU edit

Latest comment: 8 days ago8 comments5 people in discussion

Hi, I've noticed people addressing PAL and the simultaneous Europe and Australian release interchangeably in several articles, with Super Monkey Ball Adventure being just one of them. In the downloadable era, these releases make much more sense, but I highly doubt could have been localized to all of these regions during that time. Is there a distinction, and if not, should we be making efforts to correct them where we see fit by replacing PAL to say EU/AU? Venky64 (talk) 12:55, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

As I understand it, PAL = Europe + Austral(as)ia in our context since they are the only PAL regions of interest to enwiki. This grew over time, but I have to agree that it is not used consistently (especially since we never use NTSC) and potentially misleading because very few PAL countries actually saw that release. Some also confuse a PAL version release with a PAL region release. I would actually be in favour of deprecating "PAL" as a {{vgr}} parameter completely. IceWelder [✉] 13:11, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Its probably more relevant to console games pre-6th generation (roughly) where the difference between NTSC's 60hz and PAL's 50hz was relevant to how games played; as consoles became more like closed computer systems, that factor became less a factor. Masem (t) 14:36, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I believe this is the PAL version vs PAL region confusion I was talking about. Our infoboxes are supposed to represent which regions a game was released in, not for what number of Hertz, and we never used "NTSC" to begin with. IceWelder [✉] 15:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Should we go ahead and hold a vote on deprecating it then, seeing as its meaning is inconsistent and ambiguous across all pages at best? Venky64 (talk) 02:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
So u want to replace PAL with EU/AUS??? It doesn’t make sense??? Like it’s not clear to me why u want this? Especially since Europe is NOT the only continent to use PAL. Stuff like Africa and the Middle East use PAL so the fact that you want to excluded the other countries neighbouring Europe is kind of misleading. NakhlaMan (talk) 02:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm saying replacing it would be practical, because "PAL" region releases don't line up with where the games come out, usually ever. People take it to mean just Europe and Australia when they list it in these infoboxes. But they refer to so many other countries at the same time, when in reality these games never came out there to begin with. And the average reader, who we design and write these pages for, won't understand that distinction, not to mention it isn't factual. At this point, it's operating more as our own mutually agreed upon internal language than anything useful and meaningful on a practical level. Venky64 (talk) 12:46, 21 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agreed, I've always been a bit confused about what exactly is meant by "PAL" in the context of release dates. In cases where Europe and Australian release dates are the same, we can use EU/AUS and thereby make it clearer exactly what is being stated. Martin IIIa (talk) 20:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Closure help/question edit

Latest comment: 7 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Okay, so the Trauma Center GTN has been very roundly stalled due to factors. Is there a way of voluntarily closing it? ProtoDrake (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I think it'll pass when the FT/GT coordinators get around to it. GT is a content evaluation process with a long half-life, in my experience. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

New Articles (April 15 to April 21) edit

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 20:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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References in video game reviews template edit

Latest comment: 5 days ago5 comments2 people in discussion

Hello! I was wondering if there is a more simple way to add references to the video game reviews template, other than manually writing them out (I just did so at Stellar Blade)? I usually take the Cite option in the visual editor, but I either can not use that in this case or simply do not understand how to do it correctly. If there is no option, I will fix it in the source editing view. Vestigium Leonis (talk) 17:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Looks like you did it correctly? I don't use the visual editor so I'm not familiar with its quirks on the reviews template. I can't imagine editing template syntax is any fun using the visual editor tbh. Whereas lots of our lists of video games have a dedicated column for reference(s), we don't do that for the reviews template for whatever reason, even though every entry in the template is required to have a reference... Axem Titanium (talk) 18:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
The way I did it now it only includes the basic link, so no archive, author etc. which I normally can edit easier with the visual editor. I assume I can only add this in the source editing for templates then? Vestigium Leonis (talk) 18:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I often start by posting the bare url into the ref tag and fill in the template later using a semi-automated tool like ReFill and finally refining the output manually. I also use Wikipedia:ProveIt to manage (and fix) existing references. Axem Titanium (talk) 18:53, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
ProveIt is exactly what I was looking for, thanks a lot! Vestigium Leonis (talk) 19:04, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

hi! how do I join this WikiProject? edit

Latest comment: 5 days ago10 comments6 people in discussion

hi!

I want to join this group but I'm not sure how? Can anyone please help me with this? Camila V. (talk) 19:34, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Hi Camila, anyone can join a Wikiproject by simply editing and making improvements to articles within the topic area (e.g. video games). You don't need to publicly declare your allegiance to the project to make these improvements and of course you're welcome to come here for help if you need it. That said, I do see you say on your userpage that I work as a freelancer sometimes for Wikipedia pages, so if you see my edits in Wikipedia pages, there's a high chance that's because I'm working right now. If you do edit on Wikipedia on behalf of an organization or are paid to edit in any way, you do have to disclose that according to the instructions here. Axem Titanium (talk) 20:49, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
can i disclose it on my user page or on the page the employer told me to edit? Camila Vallejo (talk) 21:40, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, in fact, according to our WP:COI guidelines, both are actually strongly encouraged. Sergecross73 msg me 21:44, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
allright! thank you very much for your help!! have a great day! Camila Vallejo (talk) 21:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
If my client has signed a confidentiality agreement, does that mean I can't disclose information on Wikipedia? Camila Vallejo (talk) 21:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
What is the confidentiality agreement about? Sergecross73 msg me 22:24, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's between you and your employer. If you do paid editing without disclosure and following the proper guidelines, you will get blocked. -- ferret (talk) 22:31, 24 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh, are we not doing the Wiki-Communion and citing the Fezene Creed anymore? I'll say it, I think we've gone soft. Panini! • 🥪 02:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
wait wha? HEY WAIT U PLAY LUIGI'S MANSION?? Camila Vallejo (talk) 02:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

My Time at Portia in Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire edit

Latest comment: 4 days ago6 comments4 people in discussion

I just noticed that My Time at Portia is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Yorkshire and idk why it was tagged as such, since there is no way it was made there or has relations to there. MTAP is made by Pathea, located in China, which wouldn't be considered at that wikiproject either.

Also, it should be in start class, mid importance of the wikiproject video games JuniperChill (talk) 17:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

I don't know why it is under WikiProject Yorkshire, you might get some results if you ask that project. As for the importance rating, low is the default. This game is not important enough to go up to Mid. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Game's publisher, Team17, is based in Yorkshire. --Mika1h (talk) 17:53, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Ah that seems why. But My time at Sandrock, the sequal of MTAP, is only part of this wikiproject. But weirdly enough, Cities Skylines is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Finland for some reason (based on where the developer, Colossal Order is located), and not (also) part of Wikiproject Sweden, based on its publisher Paradox Interactive. I agree that they should all be just part of the video games project, and not include the location since people don't really need to know which country the game was made in. JuniperChill (talk) 18:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Actually, I am alright as they are. I initially planned to actually remove Yorkshire from MTAP before asking this, but now, I am leaving it as it is. JuniperChill (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, don't over think it. It's just kind of an optional side thing to tag articles with for organizational purposes. Its not super important or technical or anything. Sometimes it just depends on whoever decides to tag or untag articles on a whim. Sergecross73 msg me 20:40, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:Parodius! From Myth to Laughter#Requested move 17 April 2024 edit

Latest comment: 5 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion
 

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Parodius! From Myth to Laughter#Requested move 17 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 17:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:Parodius: The Octopus Saves the Earth#Requested move 17 April 2024 edit

Latest comment: 5 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion
 

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Parodius: The Octopus Saves the Earth#Requested move 17 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 17:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Short descriptions for console generation articles edit

Latest comment: 18 hours ago5 comments2 people in discussion

Last night I revised the short descriptions for articles on video game console generations (excluding the sixth generation, though its description then provided the basis for those edits). My reasons were for consistency and conciseness along with providing a more neutral tone (perhaps best exemplified with my edit for the fourth generation; would it really be appropriate to highlight one console above the rest, especially with such a long name?). Sergecross73 reverted my edit for the eighth generation and we talked a bit over this.

Sergecross73 said his motive was over the use of the phrase "gaming devices", also stating the articles focus more on a period in the video game industry than just the consoles, which I have to agree with. He didn't mind too much about the year, however. Since this is a series of edits he suggested I start a discussion here, potentially for a better option. I hope at the very least the short descriptions for these can be more unified while remaining both informative and accessible. Carlinal (talk) 18:44, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I don't have super strong feelings on it, just thought it should maybe be discussed since they changed it across all of the generation articles. For example, 8th gen was changed from "Video game console generation starting in 2012" to "Gaming devices since 2011". I just wasn't sure that was an improvement. That was the only one I reverted. Some, like the 4th gen one linked above, started off awful, so certainly not defending that one. Maybe there's a third option that's better too. Sergecross73 msg me 20:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thought this one over and decided that discontinuation dates should also be considered within a general era. I don't know if others like magazines or industrial changes should be counted but I'm mostly against that. So I came up with "Video game generation from XXXX to XXXX", since I'm certain we can pin down exact years for each of them rather than having to just mention decades. Carlinal (talk) 22:15, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
It doesn't appear that anyone has any strong thoughts on this, so unless there's any response to this comment, it looks like you're in the clear to handle it as you please... Sergecross73 msg me 17:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Aight, cool. I'll do this over again based on my last comment. I'm thinking about keeping "gaming" over "video game" for length and I don't think the former would deter from the subjects or article titles the descriptions refer to. Carlinal (talk) 00:49, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Outstanding FAC's need your help! edit

Latest comment: 4 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Back in January, Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number, done by NegativeMP1, was archived from a lack of participation. So let's make sure that doesn't happen again! It isn't terribly long, and the article a fun read. The FAC is here.

Speaking of not being terribly long and being a fun read I would like to highlight PantheonRadiance's FAC on Etika, which has recently stalled as well. If this were to pass it would be (by my count) our third featured article about real people. The FAC is here. Panini! • 🥪 23:52, 25 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sourcing gameplay sections on series articles edit

Latest comment: 4 days ago5 comments5 people in discussion

I recently took up rewriting Call of Duty   5 for the Core Content, and the article basically needs a total rewrite. I've got a decent idea what to do for a development history section, but an overview of the gameplay of the series is where I'm stuck finding sourcing over. Not only am I not able to find in-depth coverage of the gameplay of the entire series (save for specific modes like Zombies), this is the type of series where reviewers eventually give up going over the games basic mechanics in reviews. After a while, they basically just go "you know the drill". Take this IGN review of Modern Warfare III for example, which just dedicates itself to going over the differences from the previous entry and having a launch map ranking. Does anyone with prior experience in writing series articles have advice in sourcing and writing these sections? (I'm also planning on rewriting Five Nights at Freddy's some time in the year, so make that two series gameplay sections I eventually need to do.) λ NegativeMP1 01:16, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

You could try the game's manual or ingame tutorial to source gameplay specifics. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:36, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
If you have to go to the manual for details on a vg series article on a specific aspect of gameplay otherwise not covered by any other source, its likely not significant for WP's purposes. (And even when covered, one should still remember our audience should be considered someoe that has never played a video game) Masem (t) 16:31, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I usually just dig through previews/reviews of sequels, which often compare/contrast entries in the series. For example, if a preview for Xenoblade 3 makes a comment like "The third title returns to the open worlds and item collection of previous titles", you could use statements like that to write/source sweeping statements about the series. I don't play/write/read about CoD though. I tend to write about JRPGs and Nintendo/Sega games, maybe they seem to outline changes moreso? Sergecross73 msg me 15:06, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Agree with the above that previews are a good place to go. Generally primary sources like manuals won't help with a series article because they're likely not telling you info about something besides the game in question. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 17:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Stardew as a good article edit

Latest comment: 2 days ago4 comments3 people in discussion

I am literally surprised how despite the fact Stardew is a really popular farm sim game, it hasn't attain GA status. To me, it feels like a perfect candidate since Undertale, Animal Crossing: New Horizons and Jurassic World Evolution all reached that status. It is a class B, mid importance article however. I could nominate it for GA (followed by DYK - did you know) but I have only edited it once. I am only asking but it seems like a perfect candidate. I could also argue that Minecraft and Fortnite should be GA, but I think both fail because it is not stable. I don't really see why Stardew is unstable, by looking at the history aside from the fraction dispute that occured two months ago. JuniperChill (talk) 12:00, 27 April 2024 (UTC) [edited link so that it now points to its history]Reply

A lot of times being a popular game works against an article becoming GA because there's so much more information that has to be integrated. It doesn't guarantee an article becomes a GA because article quality (versus sheer length) has no correlation with popularity. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:12, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Looking at the views for Stardew and ACNH (for anyone wondering about the spike, its because of my DYK nomination for cozy game), I do see why its popular articles that often do not have GA status. It really could have been given the status within a few months of release. However, GTA 5 is more popular than both and is not a GA, but an FA (featured article) so could be an exception. Generally, I would only say that its generally somewhat popular games attain GA/FA standards JuniperChill (talk) 12:50, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
It could definitely become a GA, but does need a bit of work. If you are up for the task, feel free to be the change you'd want. Popularity isn't really correlated to how good an article is. There are GAs on obscure titles, and bad articles for really popular titles. It's more about who is willing to work on a subject. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 13:27, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

New Wikiproject Proposal edit

Latest comment: 2 days ago6 comments6 people in discussion

Hi all, I have been working in the Video Game industry for a several years and often see the ever growing scale of projects and titles being released that are targeting specific groups in ever increasing numbers. Right now Train Simulators and Flight Simulators are in dire need to have articles expanded upon as well as multiple missing publishers, developers, and game titles. The ever growing subjects are getting big enough I would like to branch off these subjects from the WikiProject Video Games and start a new WikiProject for each specific subjects. WikiProject Train Simulators, and WikiProject Flight Simulators. Maybe even just branch off and make WikiProject Simulators. I'm unsure but I see the growth and potential of adding a new WikiProject to prevent the overall bloating of information just in the Video Game wikiproject.Another aspect of making a new WikiProject for each would be to also link them with the Video Game WikiProject as well as the WikiProject Aviation and WikiProject Trains.

I'm looking for feedback, support, and overall thoughts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Funforme3 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

To be blunt, absolutely not. Fragmenting projects just leads to low participation side areas, where discussions on the topics go unseen by broader editorship, or miss important discussions from the broader project (I.e. WP:VG). Wikipedia is scattered with abandoned projects or ones that have 1-3 people who pay any attention to them. The fact that these genres seem to be poorly maintained is all the evidence needed that there is few editors interested in organizing as a project over them. Effort to work on this topics can easily be organized and pushed within the scope of the existing project. -- ferret (talk) 22:02, 27 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
To be more sympathetic to the proposal, a task force can be helpful when there's a group of interested editors who could use a space to help organize the content and work. What that means, though, is that if you want a successful simulator task force, the first step is to find other editors who want to focus on it, and only after that create a task force page. So, you should redirect this proposal- is there anyone else here who wants to work on this with you? What work have you done in this area already, since people are often attracted to working in an active area? --PresN 00:37, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
To put it more simply, there are just not enough editors to actually split into anything. I am not surprised those areas would suffer from a lack of interest, as it's more of a niche genre. You can't really force editors to work on something they're not passionate about. The best solution is to do as much as you personally can rather than saying other people should; essentially WP:BEBOLD. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree with pretty much everyone above. This Wikiproject is an incredible resource for asking questions, getting input, brainstorming etc. But despite being one of the most active Wikiprojects, it seems like we all have always had our own editing projects going on. No ones really looking for stuff to do, we've all got our own pet projects going on. So it can be difficult to drum up support for stuff like this. You're free to ask and try, but the ones that have been success stories (WP:SE, WP:VGCHAR) are few and far between. I recommend starting by just opening a discussion or two about an article or two you'd like to clean up, and see what sort of response you have, if improvements come from it, etc. That could give you a good signal on interest. I remember years back there was an editor that kept on wanting to drum up interest in editing old edutainment games. But they eventually gave up when they consistent garnered no interest in their discussions. Sergecross73 msg me 13:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
As someone who also love to edit transport related stuff (alongside video games), I don't really see a point in making a sister of the video games wikiproject. Like just look at Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Trams. Idk wy it even exists given the minimal activity and it is inactive (and UK only has a few tram systems), so that could be merged with the Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways. I also think that it is better for the train and flight simulator projects should be together, but I still prefer not having a separate project.
As a side note, I could say I unofficially participate in both this and UK railways project given that I have contributed to both, but are not a member. JuniperChill (talk) 12:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:Basic Math (video game)#Requested move 24 April 2024 edit

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Basic Math (video game)#Requested move 24 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:33, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:Arthur Morgan (Red Dead)#Requested move 15 April 2024 edit

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Arthur Morgan (Red Dead)#Requested move 15 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🥒Greenish Pickle!🥒 (🔔) 11:58, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

The Nerd Stash edit

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I haven't seen anyone talking about The Nerd Stash in WP:VG/S. Is this site reliable? Supergrey1 (talk) 04:27, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Their public-facing "About us," "Fact checking policy," and "Guidelines and practices" information is very respectable. Their "Join our team" page suggests that they have no requirement of experience, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Presumably these are properly paid positions. Sadly, it seems they do not have a staff list and the names of primary positions are unknown to me. Looking at random articles, the writers do not have qualifications listed. I wouldn't use this myself, but I think it has potential. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:13, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Simply looking at the massive amount of clickbait and listicles I would err on the side of "content farm". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:58, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree. It's ridiculous how many "hot women in skimpy clothes" articles they have. I guess whatever gets clicks.... Woodroar (talk) 12:46, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeesh, the level of click-bait and churnalism I was barraged by before I could even check their "about us" info was shocking. I'm also against it less use. Sergecross73 msg me 14:03, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Is it a Valnet site? It has the exact same layout and CMS as Screen Rant/CBR/etc. Axem Titanium (talk) 17:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Is this the new name of our Wikiproject? Panini! • 🥪 18:02, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Seems to be an independent site, they just copied the Valnet aesthetic. --Mika1h (talk) 18:04, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Axem Titanium It's ever so slightly different. I suspect they've deliberately done this to confuse readers. Which isn't a plus in their favor. -- ferret (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
So in conclusion, a new entry in the Unreliable category. 😂 Supergrey1 (talk) 01:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

New Articles (April 22 to April 28) edit

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Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/New article announcements
 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.20 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 14:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

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Gau and Strago are up for GAN now, and I should have Setzer ready here in a day or two. That just leaves Locke left as the big one to spin out.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 18:39, 29 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Help with third party sources edit

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I recently created X: Unmei no Sentaku thanks to how much commentary there is in the official website. Still, I can't find anything that might help its reception. Any ideas? Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 01:27, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

For something released in the 2000s, you could probably just use IGN, GameSpot, etc., from WP:VG/RS. It's not that old. If you can't find anything, though, you could look at the Internet Archive and Google Books. They have a lot of scanned magazines. Articles shouldn't consist entirely of primary sources, by the way. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

PC Invasion edit

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Another untouched source for WP:VG/S. Is PC Invasion reliable? Supergrey1 (talk) 02:52, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

This discussion is probably better held at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources. --PresN 03:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are right. I moved it. Supergrey1 (talk) 04:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Final Weapon edit

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Final Weapon is also not yet mentioned in WP:VG/S. Is it reliable? Supergrey1 (talk) 02:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

This discussion is probably better held at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Sources. --PresN 03:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
You are right. I moved it. Supergrey1 (talk) 04:19, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Sweet Baby Inc./video game controversy template edit

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Assuming there's less attention to the talk page there, is there an appropriateness in adding Sweet Baby Inc.-related info (described as Gamergate 2) to the video game controversy template? Somewhere in the harassment and workplace conduct column or even in the social aspects column. Carlinal (talk) 06:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oh no. "Gamergate 2" is the last thing I wanted to read. Looks like it would be an alright inclusion under the harassment or "other" categories in the template. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
The problem is that to qualify as a "controversy" there has to be a legitimate grievance behind it. As one example, Mass Effect 3's endings were legitimately disappointing to many players, which EA even acknowledged by retconning the original endings in some respects. From what I can tell, the uproar surrounding Sweet Baby Inc. is entirely manufactured by a center for online harassment, and certain things were actually done by the studio themselves without their input. As the article says, "In 2023, the studio became the target of online users who claimed it promoted a "woke agenda"." WP:FALSEBALANCE by calling something a controversy is not something Wikipedia should advocate unless there is evidence the controversy is based in fact. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think that's a good argument. Our gamergate article is about the harrassment campaign itself, which is controversial. This company isn't controversial, but the harassment campaign directed onto it likely is. Categorizing our article about this company as a "controversial item" would indeed be misplaced. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Given that we have topics in that template that aren't about controversies but have portions of their articles about controversies directed at the topic, like Activision Blizzard, microtransactions, and loot boxes, I see no reason why not to include SBI (directed to that section). Masem (t) 12:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
As I said, in the case of microtransactions and loot boxes, trustworthy sources have raised legitimate concerns about their addictiveness and their potential to scam the customer. They have even been removed from certain games. The SBI "controversy" can be classified as pure misinformation in the absence of a source detailing any truth behind the accusations. If there was even one iota of credence to it, I would not oppose marking it as a controversy. And even in the event they did force developers to add diversity, the addition of diversity to a game is not controversial for most of the population. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't believe the original Gamergate campaign was sorta credible either, aside from accusations of excessive PC and related content that became hypocritical after further self-exposing toxicity in gaming cultures. But it had an article of its own because it got really big, it was something most people never dealt with, and just spread and spread until the tide turned against the propagators.
As for the "SBI Detected" shenanigans, it likely will never reach that same height, hopefully. It just isn't as big, which I speculate being that more people are seasoned to situations and related subjects to this, especially when this got called "Gamergate 2". And yet, the info in that section is about as big, or slightly bigger than the company history preceding it. I'm almost glad it's not to the point where "Gamergate 2" has to be spun off independently. For that to happen something even worse will have to occur, regardless of who's doing it.
I don't mind if the section doesn't get a spot on the template, but I find SBID and Gamergate pretty similar in motives and action, even if the situations against Sweet Baby don't fully fit the definition of controversial. Carlinal (talk) 15:40, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have worked to minimize the inclusion of items that aren't in-and-of-themselves controversies, as much as possible. It is a difficult line to walk and a weird template to try to maintain. I think being selective in what we add to it is probably the best option? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 14:09, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Short or long titles? edit

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I need to know if long titles are preferred to short ones. For example, I made and titled it Coffee Talk Episode 2: Hibiscus & Butterfly which can be shortened to Coffee Talk Episode 2 (can't believe that was the only video game listed on April 22). However, Bandle Tale: A League of Legends Story is titled simply Bandle Tale. I think removing the bit after the colon is still unambiguous. Many sources for both mention the full name. I also made a teahouse talk earlier this month. An RM for both may be done.

WP:PRECISION and WP:CONCISE may be relevant. JuniperChill (talk) 12:23, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

WP:COMMONNAME is what it's all about really: how do reliable sources call it mostly? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I think that common name is a general policy while WP:NCVG covers naming conventions specifically to video games. it says to 'make the disambiguation precise enough to identify the topic (but no more precise than necessary), and as concise as possible'. I also note that Coffee Talk 2 is under a DYK so any name changes to that need to be done after DYK is removed from the main page as redirect links are not allowed for DYK purposes.
But anyway, it looks as though both games mention commonly use the full name in titles so I will likely open an RM for Talk:Bandle Tale shortly but won't for Coffee Talk 2. JuniperChill (talk) 12:53, 30 April 2024 (UTC) Per comment below, plan to RM withdrawn JuniperChill (talk) 13:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Bandle Tale is that way because of the RM at Talk:Ruined King, even though I personally disagree with it and believe the subtitle is intrinsic to the title. However, there was a clear consensus to keep it at the shortened titles. Personally I go by whatever the common name it is that the gaming press call the game, and whether they shorten the title or not. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:16, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Dead game tense edit

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Simple question. Is there a guideline I can refer to regarding whether a dead game, whether mobile or other, should be referred to in the past or presence tense. Nier Reincarnation has just shut down, and another user is changing one word to "was" from "is", and I don't remember if anything solid was decided on this so I don't want this to turn into an edit war. ProtoDrake (talk) 14:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

MOS:TENSE says it's "is" not "was". --Mika1h (talk) 14:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I don't think MOS:TENSE properly accounts for live-service games that are no longer playable because they were shut down. They're more akin to lost films, which are properly written of in past tense. I think this might need a broader discussion. oknazevad (talk) 14:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
We do consider live service games that are completely unplayable after service shutdown to be past tense. Games that used a live service that was shuttered but the game still remains playable in limited form should be present tense. — Masem (t) 14:33, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I see the guideline that was linked below covers that. Good to know. oknazevad (talk) 14:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I didn't know Nier is/was an online-only game. MOS:TENSE also says "use past tense [...] for subjects that are dead or no longer meaningfully exist". --Mika1h (talk) 14:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
WP:VG/TENSE states: Use the present tense when describing a subject that continues to exist. ... [A] canceled video game and a discontinued online game exist only in the past tense. – Pbrks (t·c)
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