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Assuring a NPOV
editIn response to Grayfell tagging this page with Advert, I have worked on the page a bit to ensure a NPOV. I specifically cut mentions that may seem like name-dropping through association, have rephrased parts that may seem to favor the subject and have adjusted the tense. I'm still looking into content that could supplement the setting that is mentioned in the lead -- there was a section, but it was removed, due to heightened stipulations for sourcing that is related to cryptocurrency. BOTTO (T•C) 23:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- Those are good improvements, thank you. When sources are found for the game's setting we can reevaluate. Right now the article does includes some other claims which are not supported by specific sources. As one example, it's not clear what, exactly, qualifies as a "social sandbox game" nor does it appear to be treated by reliable sources as a defining trait. "Blockchain game" on the other hand, is treated as a defining trait by all reliable, independent sources. Grayfell (talk) 01:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Grayfell: Likewise, your contributions have only improved the page. The social sandbox genre designator is derived from the capability of constructing on plots of land. If you feel this is too derivative, we can address it. I've also added to the body some content about its planned early access this year. BOTTO (T•C) 17:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am very curious to see any reliable sources which discuss the social sandbox game genre, but since Sandbox game doesn't mention this specific term, it's a bit of an WP:EGG right now. Since genres are such a headache on Wikipedia (with WP:GENREWARRIORs and such) it would be nice to have a source specifically spell it out for us. The game's devs seem keen on promoting the social aspect of the game in the IGN article, but the sources here I have looked at don't really explain how this social aspect is any different from any other multiplayer sandbox game. Do any of them even mention interacting with other players? As always, it comes down to what reliable sources say. Grayfell (talk) 21:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Grayfell: Having done a search, there are loads of first-party & crypto sources calling it a social sandbox game, but both of those fields yield their own host of problems, hence why we had to begin trimming this page down in the first place. As for secondary sources are concerned, they are not addressing it as anything other than a blockchain MMORPG. Thankfully, the reliable sources do cover player interactions, which include combat, trading and real estate development. So, it's up to you; we can go off of what Bright Star says they are or we could trim away "social sandbox". I'm also awaiting confirmation one way or another from David Gerard (talk · contribs) if first-party podcasts may be used to reference the lore, as the original source was from a first-party blog -- as this concerns crypto technology there are apparently stipulations out the wazoo about what can't be used. BOTTO (T•C) 19:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm still not sure what, exactly, "social sandbox game" means, and "sandbox" is already a bit of a buzzword. I could guess, based on the name, that it's just any sandbox game which is also multiplayer. But guessing is not how this works, right? If nothing else, we should not add a wikilink to a term when that term is not explained at the linked article.
- This isn't just a crypto thing- but it is also a crypto thing. If reliable sources do not mention the lore, it's not that important. Let's wait until the game is properly released and gets coverage in better sources. If these sources mention the lore of the game at release, it might make sense to dip into older primary sources to briefly explain how the lore has changed in development. Grayfell (talk) 21:50, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I concur with Grayfell on the lore - who cares? It needs independent third-party RSes caring - David Gerard (talk) 08:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @David Gerard and Grayfell: Very well. I have removed the setting mention from the lead. Is the ad template necessary at this juncture, given the cleanup to the page? BOTTO (T•C) 16:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I've removed the template. Thanks. Grayfell (talk) 19:30, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @David Gerard and Grayfell: Very well. I have removed the setting mention from the lead. Is the ad template necessary at this juncture, given the cleanup to the page? BOTTO (T•C) 16:17, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- I concur with Grayfell on the lore - who cares? It needs independent third-party RSes caring - David Gerard (talk) 08:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Grayfell: Having done a search, there are loads of first-party & crypto sources calling it a social sandbox game, but both of those fields yield their own host of problems, hence why we had to begin trimming this page down in the first place. As for secondary sources are concerned, they are not addressing it as anything other than a blockchain MMORPG. Thankfully, the reliable sources do cover player interactions, which include combat, trading and real estate development. So, it's up to you; we can go off of what Bright Star says they are or we could trim away "social sandbox". I'm also awaiting confirmation one way or another from David Gerard (talk · contribs) if first-party podcasts may be used to reference the lore, as the original source was from a first-party blog -- as this concerns crypto technology there are apparently stipulations out the wazoo about what can't be used. BOTTO (T•C) 19:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I am very curious to see any reliable sources which discuss the social sandbox game genre, but since Sandbox game doesn't mention this specific term, it's a bit of an WP:EGG right now. Since genres are such a headache on Wikipedia (with WP:GENREWARRIORs and such) it would be nice to have a source specifically spell it out for us. The game's devs seem keen on promoting the social aspect of the game in the IGN article, but the sources here I have looked at don't really explain how this social aspect is any different from any other multiplayer sandbox game. Do any of them even mention interacting with other players? As always, it comes down to what reliable sources say. Grayfell (talk) 21:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Grayfell: Likewise, your contributions have only improved the page. The social sandbox genre designator is derived from the capability of constructing on plots of land. If you feel this is too derivative, we can address it. I've also added to the body some content about its planned early access this year. BOTTO (T•C) 17:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)