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Manyiel Wugol

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I don’t see how this subject article is notable. Not by anyway meeting the WP:GNG. On the reference section number 5. Instagram reels cannot be use as a source. His just an upcoming basketball player yet to gain fame and notability that meets the general notability guideline. Even the biography there’s no reference to back them up after making my research on Google. Gabriel (talk to me ) 02:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2026 NCAA Division I Indoor Track and Field Championships

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Seems to be TOO SOON for this article to exist. I therefore propose deletion, or to possibly redirect somewhere if a plausible target is found. CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to NCAA Division I Men's Indoor Track and Field Championships and do not draftify. Way WP:TOOSOON for an article on an event which has no coverage outside of a single WP:PRIMARY routine announcement of date and venue. This can easily be covered on the chart of championships listed in the proposed target article. I oppose a move to draft space because it is highly unlikely any significant coverage will be available until January 2026 at the earliest (the start of that year’s indoor track season), meaning there is no benefit to creating a draft at this time. Frank Anchor 00:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Korfbalvereniging KCC

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No non-primary sources were given in the article. A quick WP:BEFORE gives an announcement from a city newspaper, an interview with a former coach and a routine match result, nothing that appears to guarantee notability. Very likely fails WP:GNG Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2024 Futsal Week U-19 Summer Cup

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Non-notable youth league, seems to have received minimal if any coverage, fails WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT Mdann52 (talk) 05:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Youth futsal doesn't really get coverage, message me if any is found. Geschichte (talk) 13:01, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as author per possible sources. Polish Football Almanac, and these tournaments generally get more coverage on Futsal Planet. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 13:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are mostly results listings and stats rather than in-depth prose coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:00, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Post-voting comment, (if deleted) would this be fit for inclusion in the Futsal Week page under the men's U-19 section? Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:16, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fairmont State Fighting Falcons

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They don't appear to be a notable team, playing in a small, regional league. No sourced info so not sure it is worth merging anywhere. Potentially a redirect to university or league. Boleyn (talk) 16:41, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Fairmont State University#Athletics. Almost all relevant information is already located in that article. --MuZemike 14:34, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Santiago López (soccer, born 2005)

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Lacks notability, SIGCOV issues EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The article seems to have enough WP:SIGCOV. These two sources have in-depth coverage [1], [2] I also found this one: [3]. Svartner (talk) 00:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject easily meets WP:GNG with multiple instances of WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. JTtheOG (talk) 03:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Easy keep. Easily meets WP:SIGCOV per Svartner's post above and those found in the article itself. Anwegmann (talk) 03:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Easily satisfies WP:SIGCOV. ADifferentMan (talk) 03:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - clearly passes GNG. I suggest this is a POINTy nomination, given the OP's behaviour at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matias Fernandez-Pardo shortly before this nomination. Giant Snowman 09:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject has multiple pieces of WP:SIGCOV already in the article to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - when an article is already well sourced like this, I would expect a source analysis with a clear explanation as to why each source doesn't satisfy SIGCOV requirements if wishing to pursue deletion. The ones highlighted by Svartner look good enough to me. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carolinas Sports Entertainment Television

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Fails WP:GNG; no sources; notable only on local level. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Outright deletion does not seem necessary, since this could at least be a redirect to one of several articles (like Charlotte Hornets, where the network is already discussed in the media coverage section). The basic facts of the network's existence are easily verifiable by a quick look in Google Books. I suspect that this article does have potential beyond a redirect, since the network served a major media market and carried an NBA team, albeit briefly. Zagalejo (talk) 01:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There appears to be enough coverage to support a standalone article on the subject, such as [[4]], [[5]], [[6]], [[7]], and [[8]] just for starters. I'd say this meets the WP:GNG, but at the very least this should be redirected. Let'srun (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Homenetmen

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This article was deleted following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scouts-in-Exteris; I don't know why it was undeleted. Since then (May 2020) there has been no improvement, and the article consists of unverified text/OR (which, surprisingly, spends very little time on the actual organization and fails to say much that indicates notability) and a long, long, and unencyclopedic collection of linkspam. Drmies (talk) 21:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and improve. Clarification is in order for the nomination statement above. Homenetmen was created in 2016 and was never deleted. The discussion from 2020 saw just 1 other editor vote on your original nom, which was in regards to a different article. It was your recommendation that Homenetmen be deleted as well, but the article was never officially deleted. Now, back to content, this is a pretty notable scouting organization with active chapters across the world. A simple google search yielded 419,000 results; WP:RS confirming WP:N is indeed there. There are several wiki articles which are integrated to this parent article like Homenetmen Beirut and Homenetmen Antelias, which makes the deletion of this parent article seem odd to me. With that being said, I do agree that a lot of work is needed to improve the article and remove 'spammy' content. With a bit of tough love, the article can be saved. Archives908 (talk) 23:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Archives908, it was deleted as a result of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scouts-in-Exteris, as the log reflects, on 31 May 2020, and undeleted "per request at WP:RFUD" (I'm copying from the deletion log) on the same day. If your simple google search delivers so many results, please show us a couple that meet RS. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I concur with the above. This seems to pass WP:SIGCOV and should stay. Garsh (talk) 03:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert Sutcliffe's cricket career (1919–1927)

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My third big afd nomination in the Anglo-Australian fancruft forrest on here, planted in the 2000s. Its simple, this time as it is a set of articles about Herbert Sutcliffe, where exactly identical articles were successfully called for deletion here just today Pharaoh496 (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

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List of Sports Illustrated writers

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 13:24, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This subject meets the WP:NLIST as the grouping has been discussed in several secondary sources, such as [[9]] and [[10]], along with several books about the magazine which discuss the writers. Let'srun (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Let'srun. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPN personalities

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: This subject is discussed as a group in secondary sources such as [[11]], [[12]], [[13]] and [[14]] just for starters. I'd say this meets the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Let'srun. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPN Radio personalities

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Not just it is entirely unsourced, this does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Definitely useful as a category than being a standalone list. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The personalities for ESPN radio are discussed in a multitide of sources, such as [[15]], [[16]], [[17]], and [[18]]. I'd say this meets the WP:NLIST. Let'srun (talk) 16:59, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These links falls under WP:ROUTINE, more like another announcments of lineups. SpacedFarmer (talk) 22:41, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I'm not sure the nom did a proper WP:BEFORE search because from what I'm seeing this seems to pass WP:NLIST based on some searching. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of A.D. Isidro Metapan players

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WP:LISTN is not met here due to a lack of coverage of the subjects as a group. As it stands, this is an indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable people. Let'srun (talk) 03:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It desperately needs an update, but this is another misuse of the term "indiscriminate" in a list deletion discussion - there is crystal clear inclusion criteria. SportingFlyer T·C 02:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep—Likewise falls under WP:NLIST, by my reading. It's not the individuals who are notable. It's the "group or set" at is notable as such. Anwegmann (talk) 04:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet this list only includes a self-selected number of players, many of whom have no article themselves, and has no sources discussing these players as a group. In my opinion, it is much more appropriate to have a category for the notable players who played here. Let'srun (talk) 17:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is fixable through editing, and nowhere in NLIST does it require sources to discuss the list as a group, since there are several valid reasons for creating lists. SportingFlyer T·C 18:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Liz: I specifically didn't !vote keep because the article's not in good shape, but I'm not a delete. The deletion rationale is flawed - LISTN does not require a source listing the subjects as a group, and it's not indiscriminate. SportingFlyer T·C 08:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of ESPNews personalities

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as this grouping isn't discussed in non-primary sources. Let'srun (talk) 02:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to ESPNews. There are no grouping sources on the subject, but the WP:NAVIGATION purposes are still there, so the ATD is better at the main. Conyo14 (talk) 18:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Merge to ESPNews per WP:ATD. A list that is useful being a category but not as a list, which is entirely unsourced. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:36, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect to List of SportsCenter anchors and reporters; unsourced and the target articles generally describe people as SportsCenter hosts rather than being specifically associated with ESPNews. Walsh90210 (talk) 22:57, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - This is the function of categories, not articles. Carrite (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to ESPNews Article is frozen in time from 2014 when all original programming it carried was phased out, and ESPNews and SportsCenter up to 2014 were generally completely different in tone and direction. Nate • (chatter) 17:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of LSU Tigers football recruiting history

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The article is pure WP:LISTCRUFT as the topic itself should not be an encyclopedic article. A deletion discussion for a similar article has already passed a year ago and its conclusions are very good. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 04:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Great Lakes Arena Football

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Very minimal significant coverage from reliable sources; majority of sources are from a suspected fan site. Could not find recent coverage in a WP:BEFORE. Fails WP:GNG. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 15:58, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There's only one link to a Facebook page, the others are to a local newspaper while the others are to a very reliable site, which is in use for most minor league articles. This league is equivalent to the National League (division) in England (without the history). There's absolutely no reason to delete this article. Ccui123 (talk) 23:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Ccui123 (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

Oppose I don't see any reason for deletion. This is a pro league, and the article is well sited. StanleyKey (talk) 00:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem I see here is I don't see any other source besides OurSportsCentral, Muskegon Sports, and local team sources. I'm expecting more than just those sources here. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose It's clearly a minor league and Our Sports Central is as good of a source you can get for leagues below the Major level. BabyBOY789 (talk) 21:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Additionally, there's Muskegon Sports for West Michigan Ironmen coverage, but what about coverage for the other teams? Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 21:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jaime Stein

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Lack of significant coverage in independent sources. Hirolovesswords (talk) 14:55, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Stein meets the WP:GNG with significant coverage from reliable sources such as [[19]], [[20]] and [[21]]. This is also WP:SIGCOV but is not independent: [[22]]. Let'srun (talk) 10:17, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The "oursportscentral" article is a rather typical "new job announcement" and doesn't do much to support GNG. The Vancouver Sun 2004 article is a single sentence. The Rotman article is not independent, it's one of those alumnus blurbs. While it might provide some facts it is a good bet that they come directly from the subject. The only possible significant article I see is the Vancouver Sun 2005 one. It talks about the subject as beginning a career, and given that was in 2005 I would expect to have seen later articles about a career, but I don't. Lamona (talk) 22:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Even in .ca sources, there is hardly anything. I agree with the nom's review of the sources, most aren't helpful. Oaktree b (talk) 17:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ernie Smith (baseball, born 1931)

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Articles for deletion/Ernie Smith (Negro leagues)

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Repeating my reasoning from 2021, but WP:NBASE now no longer exists:

Not notable. I cannot locate stats or a roster spot for this person on seamheads.com or cnlbr.org or baseball-reference.com. (B-R "Bullpen" [an open wiki] has an article created at the same time and same person that created this article.) The given source is an obit [23] that vaguely refers to playing on a Negro league team at some time. The given team ceased play in 1951 when the subject was 20, but as I stated, I cannot find any other source backing this up. (This palyer should not be confused with Ernie Smith (baseball, born 1908), also a Negro leaguer.) -- BX (talk) 01:18, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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New White Sox Stadium

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This is a good example of WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. This is one proposal, but it is so early in the process that this article is not warranted. Angryapathy (talk) 15:22, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep They are still in negotiations with the state of Illinois on the proposal along with the new Chicago Bears stadium. That's why they are categorized under Category:Proposed stadiums in the United States. If nothing becomes of this proposal, then the category on the page changes to Category:Unbuilt stadiums in the United States. That's the whole purpose of these categories... Roberto221 (talk) 18:02, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The existence of a category doesn't mean any subject that falls under that category gets its own Wikipedia page. WP:N is paramount, not categories. Angryapathy (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Braden Olthoff

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 21:00, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Subject meets the WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV at [[24]], [[25]], [[26]] and [[27]]. Let'srun (talk) 16:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jorge Calvo (baseball)

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This does not meet the criteria for notability. A Google search yields no results outside of Baseball-Reference. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 03:18, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Found some brief mentions on newspapers.com such as [[28]] and [[29]], but not enough there to meet the GNG. I'd guess there is probably enough coverage in Mexico to meet the notability guidelines, though. Let'srun (talk) 11:44, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bernardo Calvo

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This article does not meet the notability criteria. There are simply no references to him on the internet other than compendiums of baseball stats which include his name. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 03:11, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Found some routine coverage on newspapers.com such as [[30]] and [[31]], but nothing that is GNG worthy. However, it is quite possible that there are Mexican sources that could help this subject meet the notability guidelines. Let'srun (talk) 11:56, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Cullen Large

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fails WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 00:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A very easy keep. This biography clears GNG and NSPORTS by more than a lot of sports bios I've seen here. There is WP:SIGCOV in The Province, Baseball America, and Sportsnet, all of which are WP:SIRS. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note that Sportsnet is owned by Rogers Communications, which also owns the Toronto Blue Jays, the organization that had Large at the time that article was written. Let'srun (talk) 15:02, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The subject meets WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV from multiple reliable sources. JTtheOG (talk) 01:07, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak delete I created this article as a redirect to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players, but I don't think Large is notable enough for a standalone article. The Baseball America reference is a general stat page that all minor league prospects have. In my opinion we only have 2 refs contributing towards notability in terms of SIGCOV (The Province & Sportsnet). If more SIGCOV is found I do think that the article should probably be kept. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Baseball America link is an article, not a stats page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:08, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This subject meets the WP:GNG because of independent WP:SIGCOV from Baseball America and The Province, which each provides in-depth coverage of the subject. Let'srun (talk) 15:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete never made the majors, coverage is sparse and routine. Non-notable minor league baseball player. SportingFlyer T·C 02:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Discuss) – Ray Brown (Negro leagues pitcher) → Ray Brown (baseball) – Per WP:INCDAB a move discussion is necessary. INCDAB states: In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation. As with any other term with a primary topic, it should either be the title of the article for that topic or redirect to it. There are 2 Ray Brown baseball players, both pitchers: this one, a Hall of Fame Negro league pitcher; and Ray Brown (National League pitcher) who pitched 1 game for the Cubs in 1909. The pageviews (Negro league pitcher & Natinal League pitcher) over the last year are 3428:170, or ~20:1, which is about what it takes according to List of reported partially disambiguated article titles and their characteristics. I am arguing this Ray Brown is the primary baseball player topic (under WP:PT1) because it is highly likely [...] to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. -- BX (talk) 00:43, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Basketball

Manyiel Wugol

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I don’t see how this subject article is notable. Not by anyway meeting the WP:GNG. On the reference section number 5. Instagram reels cannot be use as a source. His just an upcoming basketball player yet to gain fame and notability that meets the general notability guideline. Even the biography there’s no reference to back them up after making my research on Google. Gabriel (talk to me ) 02:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Carolinas Sports Entertainment Television

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Fails WP:GNG; no sources; notable only on local level. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 22:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Outright deletion does not seem necessary, since this could at least be a redirect to one of several articles (like Charlotte Hornets, where the network is already discussed in the media coverage section). The basic facts of the network's existence are easily verifiable by a quick look in Google Books. I suspect that this article does have potential beyond a redirect, since the network served a major media market and carried an NBA team, albeit briefly. Zagalejo (talk) 01:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: There appears to be enough coverage to support a standalone article on the subject, such as [[32]], [[33]], [[34]], [[35]], and [[36]] just for starters. I'd say this meets the WP:GNG, but at the very least this should be redirected. Let'srun (talk) 14:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Gert Dippenaar

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bhilwara Kings

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Non-notable cricket team taking part in matches not having official T20 status. Couldn't find independent coverage about the team, to pass wider requirements of WP:NORG and WP:GNG. The highest to SIGCOV are the sources which says about the announcement of the teams, launch of jersey by the team owners- with all of these belonging to WP:ROUTINE. Robo^Cric Let's chat 07:54, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Too many of these trivial nonsensical articles appearing of late! AA (talk) 09:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per nom. Poor sources and many are just announcements and hold no significant notability to warrant a page. Fails WP:NORG. RangersRus (talk) 13:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Legends League Cricket#Franchise tournament No way near enough coverage of GNG quality to warrant an individual team article, but can be redirected to the league page, which just about has enough coverage. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:55, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Legends League Cricket#Franchise tournament as a sensible WP:ATD. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Super Stars

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Non-notable cricket team taking part in matches not having official T20 status. Couldn't find independent coverage about the team, to pass wider requirements of WP:NORG and WP:GNG. The highest to SIGCOV are the sources which says about the announcement of the teams, launch of jersey by the team owners- with all of these belonging to WP:ROUTINE. Robo^Cric Let's chat 07:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Too many of these trivial nonsensical articles appearing of late! AA (talk) 09:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Same as nomination of Bhilwara Kings. Per nom. Poor sources and many are just announcements and hold no significant notability to warrant a page. Fails WP:NORG. RangersRus (talk) 13:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Legends League Cricket#Franchise tournament No way near enough coverage of GNG quality to warrant an individual team article, but can be redirected to the league page, which just about has enough coverage. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:56, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Legends League Cricket#Franchise tournament as a sensible WP:ATD. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ricardo Strauss (cricketer)

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG (talk) 19:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers Sourcing for non-international international cricketers is commonly difficult to find. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD, and I'd have no issue to these non-internationals being BOLDly redirected going forward. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCRIC. Robo^Cric Let's chat 07:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Danie van Schoor

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG (talk) 19:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers Sourcing for non-international international cricketers is commonly difficult to find. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD, and I'd have no issue to these non-internationals being BOLDly redirected going forward. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers: per JTtheOG -- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 15:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Umpiring in the 1946–47 Ashes series

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My fourth afd in this Anglo-Australian cricket fancruft deletion drive I have taken on. We have articles on cricket umpiring, seriously? I dont believe this should exist on Wikipedia, and I also am against a merge because all that really needs to happen is a mention of this on the respective tour pages Pharaoh496 (talk) 11:59, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

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Comment What policy-based reasons are there for deletion? There certainly seem to be enough independent sources to meet GNG.Nigel Ish (talk) 19:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete We'd delete an article about the Umpiring of Angel Hernandez because that simply isn't grounds for a good article outside 'he's terrible and here's why', which is what this series of articles is equivalent to. Yeah, it's packed with sources, but this isn't a proper article style at all (they read more like a retrospective episode of First Take) and belongs on a cricket-focused wiki, certainly not here. Nate • (chatter) 23:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unnecessary WP:CFORKs that are mostly POV controversy articles, so nothing worth merging into main articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:52, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Pharaoh496, Nate and Joseph2302 sum up my feelings about such articles completely. RobinCarmody (talk) 18:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. All incidences of controversial umpiring are covered in the main article, making these unnecessary WP:CFORKs. AA (talk) 09:45, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:INDISCRIMINATE, WP:NOPAGE. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:43, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert Sutcliffe's cricket career (1919–1927)

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My third big afd nomination in the Anglo-Australian fancruft forrest on here, planted in the 2000s. Its simple, this time as it is a set of articles about Herbert Sutcliffe, where exactly identical articles were successfully called for deletion here just today Pharaoh496 (talk) 18:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the same reason:

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Hermias Strauss

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG (talk) 17:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers Coverage for non-international Namibian cricketers is always difficult, redirect is suitable WP:ATD and preserves the history if anything found. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bredell Wessels

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this modern cricketer. JTtheOG (talk) 17:09, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Namibian first-class cricketers Coverage for non-international Namibian cricketers is always difficult, redirect is suitable WP:ATD and preserves the history if anything found. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of centuries in Twenty20 International cricket

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T20I is a full-fledged international format. Despite it being very impressive that wikipedia has every century listed on here, the number will wound up very high in the future as the scope is too wide. If we begin compiling every test and odi century - it wont be feasable. Its good to have centuries for specific tournaments - be it international or domestic. Not every international. Pharaoh496 (talk) 18:09, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and have a discussion about the article scope, rather than deleting. The problem.is the ICC classes every T20 match between international teams the same, and so there is a lot of pointless matches like China vs Japan listed here. WP:NOTCLEANUP applies here, so article should be kept (and I would support changing it to just matches involving test playing nations). Joseph2302 (talk) 08:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Rugbyfan22@Joseph2302 even if its every test playing nation only, it will still be a lot. Since there are more t20is being played, there will be a time in the next decade where this article has a couple hundred entries - constantly growing. This page does not exist for other formats. Pharaoh496 (talk) 14:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with your suggestion is another factor:

Lets say India and Nepal are playing in a T20I and an Indian player scores a century. That will be noted. But if in the same match a nepal player hits a century, that isnt noted. If you note that, and dont note centuries in a nepal vs namibia match, thats another conflict of exceptions.

There are times when full member teams and assosciate / non test teams play. what of those matches? Pharaoh496 (talk) 14:35, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An afghan player scored a century when afghanistan didnt play tests. Now it does. What of that listing? You have a good faith proposal, but it wont work. Pharaoh496 (talk) 14:36, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Agree with Joseph2302s comments, needs a change of scope, but should be kept. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 10:11, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Have responded as to why that wont work, above Pharaoh496 (talk) 08:09, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agree with the nom. This list has the potential to become unmanageable. Also, it will lack context with all T20 matches between ICC Members holding T20I status; a century made in an Australia v England match is far more notable than say Kushal Malla's 137 not out for Nepal vs Mongolia. AA (talk) 19:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per WP:NOT. This is little more than a stat-dump and mirror of data held in several cricket stats databases; this is not our purpose. Disagree about arbitrarily narrowing scope as that introduces other issues. List of Twenty20 International records is all we actually need. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 09:24, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Number of T20I matches are increasing, centuries are being scored more frequently specially among the associates. In future, there's a risk of this list becoming unmanageable. List of T20 World Cup centuries is an appropriate list of this type which lists some notable and rare achievements. Robo^Cric Let's chat 07:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As much as it pains me to say, having spent plenty of time maintaining it, I do agree with this one. There are so many matches now that the list will become unmanageable. I don't think we should restrict to FM (Test playing) nations as that would then be an incomplete, caveated list, in which two centuries in the same match might be treated differently. What's more, I would suggest that we also looks at List of five-wicket hauls in Twenty20 International cricket and List of five-wicket hauls in women's Twenty20 International cricket for the same reasons (those are probably worse, I have stopped regularly working on those some time ago). Bs1jac (talk) 16:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are, alas too many featured lists we will be saying goodbye too :( Pharaoh496 (talk) 08:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Bs1jac: One solution could be to split the "Highest individual score" section of the List of Twenty20 International records into the top 5 or 10 scores by full member batsman and the top 5 or 10 scores by associate batsman. The records on that page are already dominated by lower-level associates. AA (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That doesn't apply to this discussion, but regardless a century is a century so it would be difficult to justify having a records page that only included selected entries. As someone mentioned here, if say Bangladesh play a lower-level associate such as Maldives in a qualifier tournament and both teams had a player score a century, we would only be including the one scored by the Bangladesh player (against a weaker bowling unit) and not the one scored against them. Bs1jac (talk) 14:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dale Keenan

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Fails GNG. Dougal18 (talk) 14:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:11, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG, per nomination and comments. Easy delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 23:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gareth Armstrong (footballer)

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He fails GNG. A Google search found no sigcov just mentions in match reports. Dougal18 (talk) 14:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

del no sigcov. - Altenmann >talk 17:03, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2019–20 FC Petrolul Ploiești season

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Abandoned season article with incomplete statistics. Team playing on the second tier of Romania, with less significant coverage than the first tier gets. No significant coverage sources in the entry. This season is not a piece in a complete series; there is no article on the previous nor the next season. It's also the only entry about a Romanian second-tier team in 2019–20. Geschichte (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It could potentially pass GNG, but does not "on its face". I don't care enough to do a before search. SportingFlyer T·C 08:55, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Hisham

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I am not sure this individual meets the General notability guideline. The main claim to notability is that he played for his country in 2016. This claim is not supported by reliable sources. I did some searching and found sources such as ESPN and GSA which mention the lineups without this individual's name in them. Even if if we can establish that this person made a substitute appearance in a single non-competitive match, I feel this is still not enough for notability. C 679 09:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jen Dodds

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No evidence of notability for this footballer. The only sources are a pair of interviews with some routine coverage interspersed, as well as the BBC piece with two sentences of independent coverage. My searches did not yield much else. JTtheOG (talk) 02:41, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2019 FIFA Women's World Cup broadcasting rights

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Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to the small minority of ardent fans. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE. As with sources per WP:RS; the one that covers it all are WP:PRIMARY and announcments, not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 21:19, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge significant markets to 2019 FIFA Women's World Cup#Broadcasting to retain consistency with other FWWC articles. The separate list is nothing more than an indiscriminate collection of information simply for the sake of collecting that information. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 22:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge – Per Jkudlick. Svartner (talk) 06:36, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge/redirect as above. Giant Snowman 17:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Steljano Velo

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Velo only played in the lower levels of Albanian football and doesn't seem to have any WP:SIGCOV. My own searches only yielded database sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:25, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gary Epesso

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Stats stub on a footballer with no evidence of meeting WP:GNG. The best sources that I could find in Philippine media were Dugout, a passing mention, and a Wordpress blog, which is neither reliable nor significant. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:31, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find any WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 21:58, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 02:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 06:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Kong-il

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Whilst a cap usually means you pass WP:GNG, I don't see this being the case here. His 'claim to fame' is one friendly match against Vietnam with this source confirming that it was only an 8 minute cameo. This stats stub should be deleted unless someone can provide evidence that Kim meets GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:28, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 06:37, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Ju-myong

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His only 'claim to notability' is playing as a substitute in one friendly match against Bangladesh. There is no reasonable chance of this passing WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC but I'm happy to be proved wrong if people can present significant coverage of him. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:22, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 06:35, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matthiew Araya

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The player debuted when he was incredibly young but then disappeared. I'm struggling to even find routine coverage. No evidence that this complies with WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC and the current database sources are unacceptable on their own. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:08, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – With only database source listed, article obviously fails GNG. What a waste of talent! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:35, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I can't find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 02:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Indrit Sejko

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Whilst I note that Sejko was extraordinarily young when he made his professional debut, I can't seem to find any coverage of him in Albanian media. Furthermore, I can't find any information about him after his debut; he seems to have disappeared. Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC as things stand. No objection to this being restored should WP:SIGCOV occur later in his career as he is still only 18. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Article obviously fails GNG with only database source listed. Corresponding article on Albanian Wikipedia is also an unsourced stub, no major edits since its last revision in 2022. I also don't see any evidence he'll become notable or gain recognization in a few years. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:36, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Nothing notable. Athel cb (talk) 15:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I can't find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 02:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

José Dávila

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Reserve goalkeeper who made three top-flight appearances in Peru before disappearing. No evidence of notability. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 00:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 01:52, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:09, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Craig Butler (football manager)

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This article does not meet any notability standards. The most notable thing about him is that he is the father of two players, but this is Wikipedia, not WikiTree. That he managed a high school team may get him some mentions in newspaper articles, but where those don't relate to his more famous sons, they are "local newspapers", which also don't make him notable. The rest is best handled on his sons' pages. Renerpho (talk) 22:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. The restriction on local newspapers as a source of notability applies only in the case of companies, not sportspeople. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 23:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per rationale. Milkk7 (talk) 10:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment by nominator @GiantSnowman: There is no lack of "sources",[37] they just don't make him a notable subject. But yes, if sources are found that actually do that, I'd like to know as well. Renerpho (talk) 10:50, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See the article history for what of that has been in the article in the past, as material has been removed for reasons like WP:BLP,[38][39] or due to being incomprehensible (thanks for finally cleaning up this mess). Renerpho (talk) 10:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't say there are no sources. Giant Snowman 11:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neither did I. :) Maybe someone else will be interested in that list. Renerpho (talk) 11:12, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, @Milkk7:, I found [40], https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/sports/20221023/craig-butler-project-pt-1], [41], [42], [43], amonng many more sources (which cna be found in aritcle talk page). Clearly siginficant figure in Jamaican football. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:26, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Das osmnezz: GiantSnowman probably was aware of those, as they and I discussed them here previously. The article [44] is about him leading his High School team to victory. That's hardly significant. [45] and [46] definitely would be significant, if anything had ever come of those ideas. Someone's grandiose plans to take over Jamaican football, even if announced in local newspapers, amount to little if none of them ever come true. The only notable thing that Craig Butler has done was being the adoptive father of Leon Bailey. Renerpho (talk) 23:00, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, the article has been improved greatly over the past couple of days. Compare what it looked like a week ago.[47] Once you remove the fluff and the WP:BLP issues,[48] not much remains. Renerpho (talk) 23:06, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Butler is clearly a significant figure in Jamaican football, as shown by the amount of coverage he receives in Jamaican media... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:52, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 17:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Piero Cabel

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 00:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:07, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duncan Turnbull

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Can't seem to find any WP:SIGCOV on this player beyond basic coverage either from the clubs, his college, or transfer notes. It appears as though he never actually played a professional match, which might be a failure of WP:SPORTBASIC. The only thing of basic substance I found was this, which is local and behind a paywall. Anwegmann (talk) 04:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Transfermrkt has him playing in one professional match in the EFL Trophy for Portsmouth vs Peterborough (source). Same matched that was referenced in the paywalled article. Tpd13 (talk) 11:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Transfermarkt is not a reliable source, but one EFL Cup match still doesn't make up for the lack of WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 22:39, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Santiago López (soccer, born 2005)

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Lacks notability, SIGCOV issues EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The article seems to have enough WP:SIGCOV. These two sources have in-depth coverage [49], [50] I also found this one: [51]. Svartner (talk) 00:02, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject easily meets WP:GNG with multiple instances of WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. JTtheOG (talk) 03:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—Easy keep. Easily meets WP:SIGCOV per Svartner's post above and those found in the article itself. Anwegmann (talk) 03:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Easily satisfies WP:SIGCOV. ADifferentMan (talk) 03:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - clearly passes GNG. I suggest this is a POINTy nomination, given the OP's behaviour at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matias Fernandez-Pardo shortly before this nomination. Giant Snowman 09:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The subject has multiple pieces of WP:SIGCOV already in the article to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - when an article is already well sourced like this, I would expect a source analysis with a clear explanation as to why each source doesn't satisfy SIGCOV requirements if wishing to pursue deletion. The ones highlighted by Svartner look good enough to me. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Erddy Titaley

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This is a poorly sourced BLP and I can't find any evidence of WP:SIGCOV. The best that I could find were squad listings in Bola and Indosport. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:38, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 22:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 01:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Absolutely nothing of substance here, much less WP:SIGCOV. Anwegmann (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per all above. There is no information available about him at all. Ckfasdf (talk) 16:04, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huseyn Mursalov

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Soccerway stub with no evidence of notability per WP:GNG. My own searches yielded only Fanat and Sportnet, both of which are mere squad list mentions that do nothing to suggest that Mursalov is notable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 01:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Per nom. Can't find anything here. Anwegmann (talk) 18:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There seems to be a lack of coverage about this footballer in reliable, published sources. Waqar💬 20:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Recopa Catarinense

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Article from an edition of a minor competition in Brazilian football, created more than a year in advance before the event took place. It has questionable WP:GNG and completely fails in WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. Svartner (talk) 17:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - strange article, it says it has already been played even though it's in the future! Giant Snowman 19:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Murad Gayali

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Played in 5 matches about 6 years ago but hasn't been since. No sign of WP:GNG or even WP:SPORTBASIC #5. The best sources found were a goalscorer listing in Sportal, a transfer announcement based on a social media post in Offside Plus and a squad listing in Redaktor. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—per nom. I couldn't find anything of substance on this player. Seems not to have played in four years...Anwegmann (talk) 20:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hatim Kamal

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Played 51 mins at professional level but no significant coverage cited so no WP:GNG pass looks likely. I found a brief quote in Al-Sharq and an injury announcement in Kooora but neither of these are enough for GNG or even WP:SPORTBASIC #5. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 18:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 19:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Very little here to judge. Clearly fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 20:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abduraouf Hussain

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He played 206 mins of professional football but I'm just not seeing enough for a WP:GNG pass. No significant coverage found in an Arabic search. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. Ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 18:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 20:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete—Nothing here. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG by miles. Anwegmann (talk) 20:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matias Fernandez-Pardo

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Association football player who does not satisfy general notability, and does not satisfy football notability criteria because those redirect to basic sports notability which redirects to general notability. This is a contested draftification. There are three references. The first of them is a database entry which shows that he plays association football. The second and third are articles in Dutch, which, on machine translation, are about the team, and not about him.

Table replaced below. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:17, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reference Number	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant	Reliable	Secondary
1	Soccerway	A database entry	Yes	No	Yes	No
2	https://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/live/voetbal/347570	In Dutch. On machine translation, about the team.	Yes	No	Yes	Yes
3	onefootball.com/en/news/duitse-landskampioen-komt-speler-ophalen-bij-kaa-gent-39623474	This article, on translation, is not about the player but about the team	Yes	No	Yes	Yes

Draftify as nominator. There may be significant coverage in the future. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment This is manipulation on your part. The third source mentions the player by name that he is the focus of attention of the Bundesliga champion! Then this is laziness on your part as well, and you know that he plays in the Belgian Pro League, which is a professional league. Meaning that the article can be expanded and easily achieves notability. --EpicAdventurer (talk) 16:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Question - Where in the 2024 guidelines is there a guideline about presumed notability based on playing in a professional league? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  He scored 8 goals for God's sake in the 8th best European league!!! EpicAdventurer (talk) 20:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  EpicAdventurer: There needs to be WP:SIGCOV. Goals and appearances, unless in specific situations of WP:BIAS, don't count toward WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 20:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Are you speaking honestly? What makes football players gain fame and value if not goals and appearances? EpicAdventurer (talk) 21:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @EpicAdventurer: Yes, I am, and so is everyone else. Significant coverage in reliable media sources (again, defined at WP:SIGCOV) adds fame and value, as it were, to a footballer's notability. I admit that it's surprising, but this player lacks that significant coverage. I know this is frustrating to you, but it's the only way to make sure that Wikipedia isn't filled with random articles of footballers who lack notability enough to receive full coverage. Anwegmann (talk) 23:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You contradict yourself and make readers laugh at these illogical responses. The player plays in the 8th highest-ranked league in UEFA and is active in the Belgian U-19 national team. In addition, I found many sources that directly refer to him. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @EpicAdventurer: Watch out for WP:PA, please. Anwegmann (talk) 23:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- 8 goals in 16 Belgian Pro League appearances is very impressive. Wikipedia's notability policy requires WP:SIGCOV, EpicAdventurer. You'd expect lots of good newspaper coverage for such a player. But so far, there doesn't seem to be any. Robby.is.on (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 17:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - There are passing mentions of the subject in sources 2 and 3. I am correcting the source analysis.

Reference Number	Reference	Comments	Independent	Significant	Reliable	Secondary
1	Soccerway	A database entry	Yes	No	Yes	No
2	https://www.nieuwsblad.be/sportwereld/live/voetbal/347570	In Dutch. On machine translation, about the team. Passing mention of player.	Yes	No (passing mention)	Yes	Yes
3	onefootball.com/en/news/duitse-landskampioen-komt-speler-ophalen-bij-kaa-gent-39623474	This article, on translation, is not about the player but about the team. Passing mention of player.	Yes	No	Yes	Yes

Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Drafify - not currently notable, but might be in future. Giant Snowman 18:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fed up with this "encyclopedia". It has turned into a authoritarian community not a cooperative one. EpicAdventurer (talk) 18:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Find some good, detailed sources and we will reconsider. Giant Snowman 18:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the player tends to earn enough WP:GNG in the 2024/25 season, I see good faith in its creation and imagine that the article will not be deleted, making it draft will allow more sources to be added. Svartner (talk) 19:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really about opinion, even though I understand that decisions on AfDs can be very frustrating at times. It's about whether or not there are valid sources enough to fulfill Wikipedia standards. I understand how you feel, to a degree, but you should not give up on this project. Anwegmann (talk) 20:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EpicAdventurer, I think policies and rules established by a community of editors that apply to every article and editor are the opposite of authoritarianism? Robby.is.on (talk) 21:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now what do you want? Have you seen the state of the article or are we only seeing what we want? EpicAdventurer (talk) 21:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article's okay. But we need WP:SIGCOV to satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements. Robby.is.on (talk) 22:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is incapacitating and a trivialization of the editors' efforts, and nothing good will come of it. How many sources should I get for you? EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:THREE, sources ideally Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I pity the miserable state of Wikipedia EpicAdventurer (talk) 22:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify—I'm tempted to vote keep, as he has performed at the first team level regularly enough to justify it, but I think draftifying is the best option, as this comes across as WP:TOOSOON. Anwegmann (talk) 20:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was surprised how little coverage there was about a player like this... Giant Snowman 20:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Same, honestly. Anwegmann (talk) 23:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you respond to the replies and evaluate the article based on its current status? How do you rate? Do you understand what you are doing? EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify If this is the best sourcing available on this footballer, then the subject fails GNG for the time being. Footballers do not get a free pass for playing in a specific league. JTtheOG (talk) 02:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. There is some promising stuff, not surprising for a player who has made his breakthrough in a relatively big team and league. Unfortunately, all Belgian (reliable) media are paywalled. These look like profiles, albeit written by the same person: [52] [53]. These looks like assessments of skill based on particular games (not match reports): [54] [55] Can we get some more eyes on these, maybe some who can break through the paywall? Geschichte (talk) 19:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The first is an interview with little secondary info, and what's there is just summarizing what he's quoted saying: Until last weekend, Matias Fernandez-Pardo only kicked off an official match once for the Buffaloes. [press conference quote from subject about his previous experience] Before the match in Liège, Fernandez-Pardo only counted fifteen minutes in the top first division this season. In January he seemed to be aiming for a (temporary) departure from the Artevelde city. [quote] I suspect the others aren't much different.
Also it's very strange seeing a European team with a Native American chief as a mascot... JoelleJay (talk) 03:29, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify, potential for coverage in the near future, but too little currently available for GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 03:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (Improve). I wanted to say this obviously covers notability as per WikiProject Football Player Notability Guidelines only to see these got superseded, but still... while this new guideline setup will become a gamechanger, for this guy just look at some of the match reports of Sporza [56] Translated quote:
Man of the Match: Matias Fernandez-Pardo was best on the pitch by far. Since the striker got his chance, he has not let go. With two goals, an assist and some nice taps and actions definitely a player the Buffaloes will enjoy a lot in the future.
or [57] (1 goal, 1 big missed chance), or [58] Translated quote:
Man of the Match: Matias Fernandez-Pardo clearly put himself in the spotlights. In the first half with a painfully blatant miss, more than compensating this the second half with an assist and goal.

Made already too much of a name for himself to draftify. Pelotas^talk^|^contribs 20:53, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These are routine match reports, and the quoted passages are nowhere near SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 23:21, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Kotora

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Another long-unsourced article of a Slovak men's footballer that fails WP:GNG. The only decent website I found is Levice Online, but something tells me interview sources do not count as significant coverage. My Google searches are limited to match reports and passing mentions. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete lack of sources to meet WP:NSPORT --Here2rewrite (talk) 16:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Aside from interviews, I found transactional announcements (1) and injury updates (2), but nothing GNG worthy. Ping me if sources are found. JTtheOG (talk) 18:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This is what I found: fairly long and significant. Has quotes (is not a "transactional announcement"). Preamble followed by interview. Injury, injury (short). This and this article details how neither he or his team are professional at the current time, for those who still focus on that. Geschichte (talk) 20:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. There are indeed a few sentences of coverage interspersed throughout the series of quotes. JTtheOG (talk) 01:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maksim Mosin

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Second tier football player with no real sources either here or gleaned from a search. The Russian version should probably also be deleted, as it has basically the same sources, unfortunately, I do not know Russian. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A minor athlete without substantial coverage in reliable sources. The Russian version might hold some value, the language barrier makes verification a bit difficult. Leaning towards deletion. Waqar💬 17:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bojan Đorđević

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This Serbian men's footballer, who was last known for playing in 2015 before disappearing, has not received enough in-depth coverage to meet WP:GNG. The only secondary sources I found are a report of him returning from injury in January and July transfer news, both from mentioned year. I'll admit that I don't know enough Serbian media to know if said sources are reliable, but neither of those pass WP:GNG in my opinion. Corresponding article on Serbian Wikipedia is likewise a stub; neither of the two sources listed there show in-depth coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Catania had a player Stefan Đorđević (footballer, born 1991) from 2016. Geschichte (talk) 17:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If my grandmother had wheels she'd be a bicycle. Giant Snowman 18:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lauren Evans (Scottish footballer)

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Evans potentially fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTBASIC #5 and the article fails to present any acceptable independent sources. The best that I could find was Daily Record, which has 2 quotes from her, an image caption and a passing mention. That's not enough for GNG. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Shannon Mulligan

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only sources are a pair of interviews and a YouTube video. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 18:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Natasha Frew

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I am unable to find enough in-depth coverage of the subject, a Scottish women's footballer, to meet WP:GNG. The sources provided do not establish notability. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Molly Reeve

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only sources are a pair of interviews with some routine coverage interspersed. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 18:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to a lack of notability, as it does not meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines for biographies.--Welcome to Pandora (talk) 10:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saimir Kasemi

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Fails WP:GNG. The subject made two appearances in the German fifth tier in 2007 but it appears they have made no professional appearances at all. A web search finds a few articles about an ice cream parlour they have been running after their retirement. But there's no WP:SIGCOV relating to their football career. Robby.is.on (talk) 08:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There's no evidence of any further professional career, lacks WP:SIGCOV. Waqar💬 16:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charlotte Ferguson

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No evidence of notability, only sources are a database, a blog, and a local interview about the club, not an article about her. Fram (talk) 07:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 04:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eljan Mehmetaj

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Fails WP:GNG. The subject made five appearances in Kategoria e Parë, the Albanian second tier, then disappeared from professional football. [59] mentions a hospitalisation as a 17-year-old. It's not enough for WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 01:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 09:37, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 13:25, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:29, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not encyclopedic. On a related note, Albania's second tier was not professional despite claims of the opposite, having crowd attendances in the hundreds. Mehmetaj actually played 3 times in the first tier, but with attendances floating around 300 people. No professional sports operation can be upheld with such a major lack of income from tickets, and when few people care about something, the media coverage is equally diminutive. Geschichte (talk) 11:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

World Unity Football Alliance

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An "international football" organization article that is a WP:HOAX in its current form. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No comment on GNG, but this is very clearly not a hoax. SportingFlyer T·C 19:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- As but one example: there is a "Karen" team listed under Asia, but it is a local group in Minnesota. Walsh90210 (talk) 19:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  You are likely unaware that the Karen are an ethnic group from Myanmar who have a diaspora in Minneapolis. SportingFlyer T·C 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  The Karen Football Association, which you can find can find plenty of details about through internet searches are a Karen diaspora group based in Minneapolis. Sherms95 (talk) 13:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The Kashmir team is a local club in Bradford. The organization (and the article) pretense to be "national teams for sub-national entities", but it isn't; it's a few random local clubs with ethnic ties that signed up for a press release with this group. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – It may not be HOAX, but it didn't even organize any competition to be relevant. Svartner (talk) 13:27, 12 June 2024

That's not true - the BBC even lists Chagos as the winner of one of their competitions: [60] SportingFlyer T·C 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep Most of the coverage isn't independent, but there's some coverage, including from Bradford, [61], BBC mentions, the Non-League Football Paper, and the nomination was based on a mis-understanding. SportingFlyer T·C 09:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

South American Board of New Football Federations

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This article borders on a WP:HOAX. It is not a notable organization, just a very self-important one. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – It's not a HOAX because I've heard about the project outside of Wikipedia, the point is that it's an embryonic entity with no relevance and that it hasn't managed to hold any competition. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Esperanto national football team

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This isn't a "national football team". In an attempt to propose a move target, I determined that it should be deleted rather than renamed.

For the first match: some attendees at the 99º Universal Esperanto Congress had a friendly game of football during the event. [62]

The rest appears to be cosplay. Walsh90210 (talk) 18:48, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it does seem to pass GNG... SportingFlyer T·C 19:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Not a nation. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @GiantSnowman:, I created it as Esperanto football team since it is not a country but someone decided to move it to Esperanto national football team, I found [63], [64], [65],[66], [67], [68], [69], among many more sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources don't support that it is a "national football team" or a "football team" in any organized sense. It is a few one-off matches held by amateurs at various Universal Esperanto Congress events, and a few big-talkers making claims about pursuing non-FIFA recognition that are, in a word, bullshit. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is simply not true... it literally played in two non-FIFA organization tournaments (COSANFF Cup and Zamenhof Cup) among other games against teams in non-FIFA organizations (Mapuche etc), and on top of that it does meet WP:GNG by any means. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:31, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Playing in a non-FIFA tournament is not the claim to fame you think it is... Giant Snowman 17:29, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Passing GNG is the claim to notability we think it is, and I don't know how you could argue against the articles here which were published in clearly reliable sources. SportingFlyer T·C 09:02, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vhairi Munro

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only independent source is an interview. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no decent independent coverage yet. The Daily Record piece has a few quotes but it's not enough coverage of Munro herself to justify her having her own article. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:43, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raewyn Murphy

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No evidence of notability for this footballer; the only independent source of note is an interview. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bryony Ross

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Scottish women's footballer -- fails WP:GNG. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 16:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the Daily Record piece doesn't contain enough non-quote content on Ross and I can't find anything else. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eilidh Begg

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WP:TOOSOON for an article for this young footballer. The Perthshire Advertiser piece already in the article is the closest to WP:SIGCOV I was able to find. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 16:07, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:21, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Dean Ebarle

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Filipino men's footballer, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 17:46, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I researched Dean Ebarle, it has some notability, being the defender for a popular football team, im not that much interested in football, so correct me or ping me if im wrong.

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Can you present the sources of your research? Svartner (talk) 17:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Baris Tasci

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 19:33, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Syron Saut

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 19:30, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of A.D. Isidro Metapan players

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WP:LISTN is not met here due to a lack of coverage of the subjects as a group. As it stands, this is an indiscriminate list of mostly non-notable people. Let'srun (talk) 03:28, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It desperately needs an update, but this is another misuse of the term "indiscriminate" in a list deletion discussion - there is crystal clear inclusion criteria. SportingFlyer T·C 02:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep—Likewise falls under WP:NLIST, by my reading. It's not the individuals who are notable. It's the "group or set" at is notable as such. Anwegmann (talk) 04:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yet this list only includes a self-selected number of players, many of whom have no article themselves, and has no sources discussing these players as a group. In my opinion, it is much more appropriate to have a category for the notable players who played here. Let'srun (talk) 17:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is fixable through editing, and nowhere in NLIST does it require sources to discuss the list as a group, since there are several valid reasons for creating lists. SportingFlyer T·C 18:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner (talk) 19:06, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Liz: I specifically didn't !vote keep because the article's not in good shape, but I'm not a delete. The deletion rationale is flawed - LISTN does not require a source listing the subjects as a group, and it's not indiscriminate. SportingFlyer T·C 08:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Saint George S.C. players

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No evidence this list of self-selected players meets the WP:LISTN. Let'srun (talk) 20:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Zero notability, a category for the players from this club is enough. Svartner (talk) 22:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:16, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is the top football team in Ethiopia, and is well sourced. I fail to see why WP:LISTN doesn't apply here. SportingFlyer T·C 02:44, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—I tend to agree with SportingFlyer. I'm not sure how this can be see has having "zero notability" if it is the best football team in Ethiopia. It is also universally discussed "as a group or set" by nature, working it into the threshold of WP:NLIST. I think this falls under WP:BIAS to a large degree, as well. Anwegmann (talk) 04:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per SportingFlyer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The club was founded in 1935 and such a list would purport to include players from the club's entire existence. There is a huge WP:V barrier that I don't see this list overcoming. How to verify which players played for Saint George SC, how many matches (i.e. who surpassed the 50-match mark, 100, 250 etc.) and when? To me that would seem equally impossible as maintaining and updating the list. Finally, deleting it removes nothing of value, as a category does the job much better. Geschichte (talk) 14:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harry Dunn (defender)

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I'm a bit unsure about this one, as he seemed to have a rather robust career, but it was entirely at the non-league, semi-pro level. There doesn't seem to be much of any WP:SIGCOV outside of this local newspaper coverage. I'd like to see what consensus is here, as it feels like a "delete" for me, but I'm curious what others think. Anwegmann (talk) 17:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. Football figures whose playing and manager career is mostly confined to small clubs do not have exact material to support WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of Scarborough F.C. players where he should be added. Giant Snowman 14:13, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know, I don't think redirecting to the players article helps, seems to be an important figure for the club in the 1970s and 1980s, first as a player then as a manager. I'd prefer to keep, however if not, suggest a redirect to the club page Scarborough F.C. His name is mentioned four times on the page, twice as player of the year and twice as manager. As the content on the article is sourced, it maybe a good idea to merge some of the content. Deletion doesn't help anyone. Govvy (talk) 10:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think a keep is a bit much for this player, but I'd be totally amenable to a merge or redirect, for sure. Anwegmann (talk) 01:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Morgan Williams (footballer, born 2004)

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Fails WP:SIGCOV, as everything I could find is either South London local press or directly from club websites. Anwegmann (talk) 17:47, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - 5 appearances as a professional with ongoing career, there is coverage out there such as this and this, does not need deleting. Giant Snowman 14:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps drafitification? Anwegmann (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At the absolute most. Giant Snowman 20:35, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

5 appearances as a professional with ongoing career Aren't we looking for WP:SIGCOV? The two sources you mention are routine coverage. Robby.is.on (talk) 08:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per whats on the article, sources above. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 10:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per @GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 19:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails GNG. I couldn't find any sigcov of him. The above sources are a routine match report and a routine transfer story. The "ongoing career" argument should officially go the way of NFOOTBALL. Articles are for things that pass GNG now not at some time possibly in the future. Dougal18 (talk) 13:23, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - May not be much to the article but satisfies WP:GNG. MaskedSinger (talk) 08:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MaskedSinger: Does it? Where is the WP:SIGCOV? Robby.is.on (talk) 08:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry Robby.is.on, I didn't know I have to answer to you WP:BADGER? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, of course you don't. But it's not particularly constructive to state that WP:GNG are met when so far nobody has indicated WP:SIGCOV exists. In my experience, articles often get deleted when the assertion "Satisfies WP:GNG" is not backed up. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:06, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cool. @Robby.is.on MaskedSinger (talk) 10:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify – The two articles linked by GiantSnowman here are routine coverage. Of the five sources in the article three are database entries, two are from AFC Wimbledon and Woking, clubs the player has played for. So far, we don't have anything close to WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:11, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The first source is a database, the second is an interview, the third is all of two sentences of routine transactional coverage, and the final two sources are more stats databases. The sources provided in this discussion are likewise just a few sentences about a couple of matches, and can hardly be called in depth or significant. Bottom line, there isn't any WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG in the article, and I don't see anything better elsewhere. May be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Let'srun (talk) 03:10, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zahedan Stadium

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Merge Fails to meet WP:GNG. Should be included in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zahedan#Sports Wikilover3509 (talk) 15:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep AfD is not for merge requests, and I think both of the sources in the article demonstrate notability when translated. I just don't know how to do a WP:BEFORE search for this one, but stadiums of this capacity are generally notable. SportingFlyer T·C 18:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge/redirect to Zahedan#Sports no coverage for its own article. Giant Snowman 16:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added translations of both reference titles. I think the article is notable because it has good multiple references, even though it is a stub. I also moved the coordinates into the infobox. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 03:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Florencio Badelic Jr.

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I'll admit that I'm a bit unsure about this article. There are a lot of citations in the article, but all of them are routine and/or match reports. There seems to be little or no WP:SIGCOV here. Anwegmann (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Decent coverage in local media, even though it is from a not very popular football center, the article seems sufficiently based. Svartner (talk) 19:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree. There seems to be a lot of match reports in the mix, though, and little of substance. That said, I'm still unsure about the article as a whole. Thanks for the vote. Anwegmann (talk) 22:07, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Meets WP:BIO per Svartner's argument. SBKSPP (talk) 00:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Handball

Rina Bjarnason

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WP:NOLY has changed since last AfD, inherent notability is only granted to medal winners. This article fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Australia only played in the Olympics as a host nation and lost every game. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 18:27, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Amy Thomas

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This was previously deleted as a different person. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 21:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - there's no participation-based guideline for handball players and I can't find any WP:SIGCOV. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 04:23, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ice hockey

List of WHA broadcasters

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WP:NOTTVGUIDE applies here. Just another case of WP:LISTCRUFT to appeal to nobody but the small minority of the most ardent fans. The subjects are not described as a group, failing WP:LISTN. Additionally WP:NOTDATABASE and WP:ROUTINE. As with sources per WP:RS besides those unsourced, consists of nothing but YouTube posts, dead links, trivial mentions, WP:PRIMARY, commercial sites, WP:TERTIARY, blogspot, fanpages and primarily on anything but the broadcasting itself; not helping this list to assert notability. SpacedFarmer (talk) 16:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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comment so, if this list is up for deletion, why not include all the other broadcaster lists from other leagues and other sports? Examples List of current National Hockey League broadcasters, List of Edmonton Oilers broadcasters, Historical NHL over-the-air television broadcasters, List of historical Major League Baseball television broadcasters, and List of historical NBA over-the-air television broadcasters. There are lots of other similar list artices. ~~I'm leaning towards keep for this article unless it can be made clear why this article should be deleted and the others kept.~~ Masterhatch (talk) 18:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Arguing that other stuff was not nominated for deletion seems contrary to Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Flibirigit (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - After I posted that comment, I had looked at SpacedFarmers edit history and saw that he is in fact nominating multiple similar articles and that he wasn't just picking on some obscure WHA article. Masterhatch (talk) 23:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Subjects fails WP:LISTN. Individual parts might be sourced, but as a whole they fail notability. Flibirigit (talk) 22:56, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This fails to meet the criteria set by WP:NLIST as the broadcasters are not discussed as a group in secondary sources. Let'srun (talk) 10:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The World Hockey Association like the American Basketball Association and the National Basketball Association in professional basketball, is an essential part of the overall history of the National Hockey League. Like was the case with the prior ABA–NBA merger, four of the WHA's franchises were absorbed into the NHL. Television and radio media coverage are for better or worse, an essential part of a sports league's history. The WHA may or may not, have sped up NHL's expansion process. As the story goes, NHL showed little to no interest in any expansion until it was informed in 1965 that without expansion, it would not receive a network television deal. So fearing the loss of television revenues and the emergence of a rival league in the WHA, the NHL expanded to twelve teams for the 1967-68 season. This Sports Illustrated article from June 1973 notes that the WHA in contrast to the NHL's then recent problems, could be have stronger bargaining power in negotiating television contracts. So all in all, how exactly is it merely and little more than "listcruft" to discuss the WHA's media history? It's noted in the article that CBS aired some of the WHA's games for a brief while during the early 1970s. Meanwhile, this book excerpt, briefly discusses whether or not the New England (later Hartford) Whalers games were blacked out WKBG whenever the Boston Bruins of the NHL were at home. Also, noteworthy is that the Michigan Stags where unable to secure a television deal (except for a one-off broadcast on WXON Channel 20 in 1974). Here's an article from The New York Times from 1975 on the Michigan Stags' troubles: W.H.A. Outlook Brighter Despite Stags’ Collapse BornonJune8 (talk) 06:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Another key thing to take note is that the World Hockey Association's championship trophy (and their equivalent to the Stanley Cup in the NHL) was the Avco World Trophy, which was named after the Avco Corporation. Avco also owned the Crosley Broadcasting Corporation during almost the entire duration of the WHA's existence. BornonJune8 (talk) 06:16, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  But why does it have to be a list then? Why not a History of WHA tv broadcasts? Conyo14 (talk) 18:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That is exactly my question as well. Let'srun (talk) 01:09, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  
  Yeah, turning it into a History of WHA tv broadcasters is a good idea.Masterhatch (talk) 01:13, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per BornonJune8. I think between the sources and BornonJune8's comments there's enough to demonstrate adequate enough coverage to pass WP:LISTN. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. ScriptKKiddie (talk) 10:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but reformat per BornonJune8's comment and the subsequent discussion. Perhaps draftify, even? The Kip ^(contribs) 07:17, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Maxim Novoselov

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Maxim Novoselov has never been ranked in the top ten, has never beaten a notable fighter (or one with a winning record for that matter), and hasn't fought for any notable promotions/events. Checking his Russian Wikipedia his biggest claims to fame are almost fighting Viacheslav Datsik, getting jailed twice, and setting up a small club in prison. The article is currently orphaned as well. User:ZenZekey (talk) 07:57, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I think the article relies pretty much solely on this source, https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/autoblog/1020556.html, which covers the subject extensively and is solely about the subject but does not seem to be a reliable source (it's essentially a blog post). Everything else consists of passing mentions or profiles on sports pages which every martial artist has regardless of notability. I did find this source https://fighttime.ru/news/item/30275-boets-maksim-novoselov-osuzhden-na-pyat-let.html?rand=19907 which appears to have several similar articles around the internet of him being arrested again. It also sounds like he won the European Sambo Championships in 2007 according to this: https://mma.bg/novini/mma-novini/maksim-novoselov-se-vrashta-v-zatvora-zaradi-iznasilvane Spiralwidget (talk) 16:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elon Musk vs. Mark Zuckerberg

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Submitting for AfD as I believe there should be a discussion over the merits of this article. While it is backed by reliable sources I believe it can be argued quite easily that this article isn't suitable for inclusion on grounds of lacking encyclopaedic merit.

Boiled down to its core I believe this article is a clear example of WP:RECENTISM in its worst form, namely something that was created and extended as events unfolded but an article where If we apply the 10 year test it's extremely hard to think anyone will be looking back on this after any serious period of time as a notable event of history given it's an article about a non-event that never happened.

As a result I believe this should be deleted. Rambling Rambler (talk) 21:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this seems to be a tongue in cheek idea that never happened. It's subjects are certainly notable but the non-fight isn't— Iadmc ♫^talk 21:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this seems to be mostly celebrity nonsense. Esolo5002 (talk) 22:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I might rename this article, but this is pop history at this point. The fight never happened, but the "celebrity feud" was a thing for almost two years. This is about as important as the White Bronco chase a generation ago, but it's a thing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not only do I think it's rather perverse to compare a non-event media spat to events surrounding a double-murder, your argument is actively in favour of delete given that the White Bronco chase isn't noteworthy enough to have its own article. Rambling Rambler (talk) 08:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: Too soon to delete as Musk recently revived discussion about it. Weakipedist (talk) 17:47, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTALBALL: "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." Right now, it's worthy of a brief mention on the subjects' pages, nothing more. Astaire (talk) 18:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahsan Boxer

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IMO, the subject fails to meet the GNG. This BLP is relying on unreliable sources and I haven't found much in RS either about this subject that could help establish GNG. The BLP primarily focuses on the subject's 2013 arrest but WP:NOTNEWS. Saqib (talk) 10:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The creator of this BLP ProudRafidi also seems to have COI. — Saqib (talk) 10:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, Ahsan Boxer is as famous as Muhammad Ali Mirza. If the latter article can stay on Wikipedia, then why not this one? Ahsan was involved in a popular blasphemy case and is currently arrested so he is pretty famous here in Pakistan, especially among the Barelvis and Shia Muslims for a number of controversies. ProudRafidi (talk) 10:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC) Sockstrike ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 21:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ProudRafidi, WP:ATA. — Saqib (talk) 11:24, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was not aware of that, thanks for telling! I added several WP:RS sources just a few minutes ago such as the Iran-based ABNA, official press of Majlis Wahdat-e-Muslimeen and Islam Times etc. to the article. The subject is quite notable in Pakistani religious circles and i'm hoping to add more WP:RS here. Thanks! ProudRafidi (talk) 20:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC) Sockstrike ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 21:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ProudRafidi, Thanks but to make things easier for me and others, why don't you provide some coverage here that you believe sufficiently establishes GNG? — Saqib (talk) 22:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Article is created by LTA Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SheryOfficial, who has been at this for 5 years. --HistoryofIran (talk) 20:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:G5. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 21:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as author is CU blocked as a sock so G5 applies here. Toadette^Edit! 17:40, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per WP:G5, also failed WP:GNG. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 15:33, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denice Zamboanga

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An article on this mixed martial artist was deleted three years ago after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Denice Zamboanga as failing to meet either mixed martial arts notability or general notability. At the time, there were also multiple drafts, probably because someone was trying to game the system. The originators were then blocked for sockpuppetry. This article does not differ materially from the deleted article. The subject still is not top-ten-ranked, and so does not meet mixed martial arts notability. The article does not speak for itself and explain how the subject meets general notability. The subject's association with the ONE Championship is now verified, but "so what?", participation in the ONE Championship is not grounds for notability. The article has been reference-bombed, but nothing in the article refers to significant coverage in an article that does not speak for itself. This article differs enough from the deleted article so that speedy deletion is not in order; but it does not differ enough from the deleted article to avoid deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:44, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Sources 4, 8, 9, 20 and 24 are all RS that talks about her, the article seems to meet notability. Oaktree b (talk) 11:48, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source #4 is her brother talking, and the subject is only namedropped. Source #8 interviews her, and almost entirely consists of quotes from the subject. Source #9 ... inquirer.net is a reliable source, but that's a scanty article consisting of five sentences aside from quotes from the subject, and that barely scrapes by if at all. #20 looks like a good source. #24 is scanty routine sports coverage. I'm not digging deeper one way or another, but they're weak reeds to hang a keep. Ravenswing 02:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments She has never met WP:NMMA. The first source mentioned above is an article about her brother, she is mentioned in passing because she was on the same fight card. The next three are pre-fight articles about her first match in the promotion's Grand Prix tournament (which would be typical coverage for any fighter). The final reference is a report on that fight, which she lost. Even if you believe that coverage is significant, it is all about one event. Didn't check other references, so I'm not voting yet. Papaursa (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In addition to the sources already in the article, there is [[70]] and [[71]]. Not sure if it is enough to meet the notability guidelines though. Let'srun (talk) 14:37, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The subject does not meet criteria for WP:MMA. Passing mentions, quotes, interviews, event announcement and results are not sufficient to meet WP:GNG.Lekkha Moun (talk) 16:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Meets WP:NMMA with sources mentioned by Oaktree and Let's run. They're reliable and in-depth enough IMV. SBKSPP (talk) 00:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul Azim Badakhshi

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The first nomination was withdrawn and not properly discussed. I am not convinced the subject meets the criteria for "Sport personality" according to WP:SPORTSPERSON which states that "A sportsperson is presumed to be notable if the person has won a significant honor." which he didn't. "Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability", the subject still needs to pass GNG guidelines. I would like to discuss it further as the subject is not even close to meeting WP:NMMA criteria. Having fought in ACB, AFC, Brave FC, is not enough and the subject has never been ranked in the world top 10 as per WP:NMMA. Lekkha Moun (talk) 18:13, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I withdrawn my request cuz as a Persian language user I find and confirm the authenticity of the sources which meet WP:SPORTSPERSON clearly:
- BBC (1) (2)
- The Independent (3)
- Hindustan Times (4) (5) (6)
- Afghanistan International (7) (8) (9) (10) (11)
- ESPN (12) (13)
- UFC (14)
- The Print (15) (16)
- Radio Azadi (17) (18) (19) (20) (21)

Claggy (talk) 19:33, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Greetings, Your concern is understandable. But He clearly meet WP:SPORTSPERSON and Wp:Bio , Despite of being a athlete, He has become a national symbol in Afghanistan, with support from the Millions of Afghans including former President, ministers, and other officials who recognize his achievements. His journey is completely motivator for new generation in Afghanistan and India. Besides his sports career, he is a successful motivator, investor, and human rights activist, I hope this satisfies your concerns.Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 22:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: I removed some of WP:NONRS references, He clearly meet WP:SPORTSPERSON. Youknowwhoistheman (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete First of all, I would like to ask Parwiz ahmadi What is your connection with the said article subject? You seem to have so much interest in him and you have been pleading with editors to help you save the article. You were pleading with Liz for her cooperation and telling her to close the AFD discussion immediately which the reference can be found here. You were also pleading with a user named Untamed1910 in assisting you to also help you save the article which the references can be found here. There is no Wikipedia article you have ever submitted for WP:AFCREVIEW that has been accepted. All were decline. 99% of the ones you have created and move to main space are already deleted except Din Mohammad Jurat which still doesn't also seem to meet WP:GNG. The only news was that he was fired. How does that now makes him suitable for wikipedia without meeting WP:GNG. From what I have reviewed so far I definitely support Lekkha Moun. The article should be deleted because I don't see how it meets WP:GNG either. This is a English Wikipedia, so I don't see how the sources above help.--Gabriel (talk to me ) 18:34, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Sir@Gabriel601

I must say that yes, I requested Ms. @User:Liz to close the AFD according to Wikipedia's policies since seven days have passed since the AFD started. As the Wikipedia rules state, the AFD should be closed if possible. However, I did not use the word "immediately." It would be better if you speak the truth.

Secondly, my entire interest in preserving this article is due to the several days of effort I have put into it, and I am fully aware and confident that this article meets WP:SPORTSPERSON criteria. He is one of the most famous athletes in Afghanistan and is considered a national figure in Afghanistan. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 18:54, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You told Liz to Please keep this article and close the nomination which sounds like an immediate task. Secondly effort you put about writing articles you never submitted for review doesn't matter here especially when it has now been nominated for AFD. It is a process that has to be passed since you fail to follow the right way as a newbie. Gabriel (talk to me ) 19:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @Gabriel601 ,This matter does not concern you regarding what I have written on Ms. Liz's talk page.

Please write your own personal opinion and that’s it. you are not Ms. Liz's representative or Advisor,

In my opinion, your manner of speaking is inappropriate and offensive. I request the respected admin to take this point into consideration.

Your reaction is very unusual and aggressive. Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 20:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just remembered also you don't have the right to tell an admin the final decision to take on an AFD discussion. He or she can still relist the AFD if the consensus debate is still not clear. My statement might be aggressive to you but they mean no harm than to coach you. Stop moving article directly to main space without submitting them for review to avoid AFD next time. A question was asked by @Bbb23 on your user talk page but you never responded. @Whpq has also warned you regarding your edits. So nothing seems to be new. Gabriel (talk to me ) 20:23, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have the right to ask Liz to undelete your drafts? Here is an example of what you wrote:

Undeletion Draft Requests Hello Liz, I hope you are doing great. I visited your talk page because you deleted the draft articles Draft

Mayweather, Draft

(restaurant), Draft

Darlington, Draft

Maksumov, Draft

So, do you have the right to request Liz to undelete seven or eight of your articles? Parwiz ahmadi (talk) 20:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have the right to request because they were draft that was untouched after six months and deleted by Liz as per deletion of old drafts. You seem to be a stubborn newbie. Who know if that was why @Bbb23 was requesting for your previous account username. Your edit needs to be checked. If you can be moving articles to main space without review and non of your article submitted has been approved ( All declined ) on this current account. Then how would your old account then look like. I am done communicating with you. I leave the rest to other of the editors on wikipedia to check your works. Gabriel (talk to me ) 21:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gabriel601 This is a English Wikipedia, so I don't see how the sources above help. Non-english sources are perfectly acceptable if they are WP:RS. See WP:RSUEC. And user conduct issues should be taken elsewhere. It doesn't particularly help or concern the afd. — hako9 (talk) 23:12, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:Since I have come up as a subject in this AFD discussion, I feel "involved" and will leave the closure to another administrator. Secondly, I don't remember seeing any User talk page messages but I have been very remiss/behind on replying to talk page messages as I'm caring for a bedbound relative and find responding to talk page messages more taxing than other kinds of editing/admin work. So, I don't believe I've been influenced but will decline to close to avoid any appearance of impropriety. Finally, unless there was problematic content (copyright violations, BLP violations, etc.) I will restore a deleted article to Draft space as long as the editor knows they have to submit the draft for review to AFC so that request is not that unusual. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a great decision. Wishing you a greater strength as you undergo your caring for a bedbound relative. Gabriel (talk to me ) 22:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I don't understand what is happening with this article, but it's definitely the weirdest AFD I have been involved. There is drama, and I counted 6 different users (now blocked) that tried to close prematurely the discussion as "no consensus". To me it seems like some people may have a vested interest in the subject. Potentiel COI? PAID? Vanity page? I'm not sure, however 6 reverted "close" is very unusual. Lekkha Moun (talk) 15:35, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The attempted closes are from a long term abuse vandal, and should not reflect on those supporting keeping this article. PhilKnight (talk) 15:42, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All 6 of them? Lekkha Moun (talk) 16:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, just one person. PhilKnight (talk) 16:22, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This article (Abdul azim badakhshi meets WP:SPORTSPERSON criteria due to extensive coverage in reliable sources such as BBC, The independent and ESPN. His recognition as a national figure in Afghanistan and his multi-faceted contributions confirm his notability. شریف الله منصوری (talk) 12:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletions

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Motorsport

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Kosmic Kart

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NCORP for a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. Article is unsourced and a google search returned only two pages of passing mentions and WP:ROUTINE coverage. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 18:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, couldn't find anything that would establish notability. _WADroughtOfVowels^P 15:07, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Lewis Hamilton

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Reasoning: Other AfDs including for the multi-list AfD against Damon Hill Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Damon Hill have established the precedent that these lists are both WP:CRUFT and fail WP:LISTN as being needless forks of existing lists, they also have no notable group or set presence within discussions as shown by a lack of these such sources in the articles. Discussion also on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Max Verstappen centres on the WP:NOTSTATS argument. Consensus exists that such lists are not notable, and on the argument for the Verstappen AfD is clearly made that such lists regardless of win number are not considered notable. This deletion request is to reflect the latest consensus. The same discussion has also been ongoing on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Formula One and Talk:Max Verstappen

When creating this deletion request, articles

Should also be included for the same reasons. It is the second AfD request for the Senna article, the original is here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Ayrton Senna. I would appreciate if someone could create this AfD as it is important for the motorsport category and part of wider ongoing discussions (please if I am unable to can this be added to the motorsport project AfD)

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Nomination by IP: 159.242.125.170 (talk)

I vote delete per the discussions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Damon Hill and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Max Verstappen — Iadmc ♫^talk 15:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: I have fixed this nomination to actually use {{subst:afd2}}, rather than just {{la}} on its own. No opinion or further comment at this time. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:52, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all bases on the current consensus on this subject which follows WP:CFORK and WP:LISTN.T v x1 01:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - The main difference between these drivers and the other subjects which were deleted is that these are all three-or-more-time World Champions who should be expected to have more wins and coverage than the others. I would personally reject WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments such as those raised by the nom and above delete !voters that these drivers fall under a consensus based on the others. If these are kept, I would also support looking at taking the Verstappen list to DRV for recreation. The main difference between now the the Verstappen AfD is that he too is now a three-time World Champion. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 03:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, @159.242.125.170:, you need to tag all of the articles you wish to bundle, not just notify on the talk pages. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 04:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Will try, very hard to do multi-page AfDs properly as an unregistered user my apologies!

I agree that Verstappen is more notable than at the time of his AfD, but the fundamental issue is that we have no way of currently defining notability. If this AfD fails, hopefully it can set that precedent, if it doesn't then we know the issue is with the format not having proven notability.

You cite these are WP:OTHERSTUFF arguments, but I counter that I do not point to them being deleted and say that because they were deleted these should be - instead I am pointing to the logic behind them and the comments on the AfDs where many explicitly called for an AfD against these lists also. The arguments against all of these lists were made in those AfDs, hence why I have referenced them. I do believe there should be some level of consistency in how these lists exist, and if this AfD fails I will propose the creation of any articles which would logically follow (if it is three time champions, I will try and create lists for them, if it is drivers who have X number of wins, same again) but I'm not sure that these pass WP:CRUFT , WP:LISTN and WP:NOTSTATS.

The size of the grouping doesn't mean it necessitates a list - Wikipedia doesn't need a list of the list of winners of your local egg and spoon race no matter how good Mr Eggman is as the 12 time champion. Unless we can show that these articles pass WP:LISTN - "Editors are still urged to demonstrate list notability via the grouping itself before creating stand-alone lists."

If we could get 3 sources for each driver where a reliable third party, such as a newspaper of record or the like, was discussing their wins (be it listing the drivers' dominance across those, or be it ranking some of their wins perhaps?) than I would be willing to concede WP:LISTN .

Also I wish to note, Draft:List_of_Formula_One_Grand_Prix_wins_by_Max_Verstappen was denied just 2 weeks before his 3rd title, so I'm not sure that has had an impact on my claimed consensus so far.

I also remind the guidelines on WP:OTHERSTUFF do state:

"If you reference such a past debate, and it is clearly a very similar case to the current debate, this can be a strong argument that should not be discounted because of a misconception that this section is a blanket ban on ever referencing other articles or deletion debates." 159.242.125.170 (talk) 08:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, firstly, I am disappointed that the nominator did not follow recommend courtesy, and notify substantial contributors to these articles, as suggested (but not required) in the AfD process. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 11:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies for causing your disappointment, but sadly I am not very well accustomed with the process and tried to reach out to people who had been involved in such suggestions in previous AfDs. I hope personal disappointment will not factor into this however. 159.242.125.170 (talk) 11:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(also, Wikipedia:Please bite the newbies I hope I am tasty ) 159.242.125.170 (talk) 12:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the wins by these drivers are extremely notable. Using Senna as an example: whenever another driver approaches and passes his total it is reported as a significant achievement in the press Formula1.com, Sky Sports for example. While these win are listed in the parent articles, that is only as part of their complete Formula 1 racing results, and does not give the level of detail of these articles. These lists allow interested readers to compare and contrast those victories. The lists meet the criteria for a Stand-alone list, given the length of the parent articles. The articles follows a similar style and structure to standalone lists such as List of international goals scored by Wayne Rooney, List of international cricket centuries by Sachin Tendulkar and List of international rugby union tries by Jonah Lomu. I'm well aware that WP:OTHERSTUFF is an argument to be avoided, but the presence of these articles demonstrates that lists such as these are common across the encyclopedia, and form part of the current 'meta'. With regards to the WP:NOTSTATS argument; that says that the encyclopedia should not have "excessive listings of unexplained statistics": indeed, I would suggest that by having these as standalone lists means that we are better able to provide the suitable context to avoid them being "unexplained statistics": many of the tables in the "Racing records" sections of drivers articles are more in contravention of that particular guideline than these articles, in my opinion. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 11:44, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can see your argument for keeping Senna, but few other drivers are used in such a way. As I discussed earlier in this thread, if we can find sources for these lists to be notable as a set as you have done for Senna then that may warrant their inclusion on WP:LISTN - and I would agree that the racing record section can be overwhelming but without much intention to suggest they should be removed.

As for the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument, I'm not sure how useful it is because for example Rooney has many independent sources referencing the goals as a set. I can't say I've seen the same for Prost, maybe not even for any driver outside of Senna. Other than the fact it is a very long list, the group of Hamilton's impressive tally is rarely talked about at which point I would compare it to creating an article of "Letters in antidisestablishmentarianism" which is impressive because the list is so long, but aside from that, is not notable. This is an extreme but still, just because other WikiProjects have done something doesn't mean Formula One should for example. It also raises the question as to what the notability criteria should be, if we are to keep these: what level of notability makes Prost worth keeping? 159.242.125.170 (talk) 12:07, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These lists might allow readers to compare and contrast their victories, but not in any meaningful way. The lack any of the context required to be able to take any meaningful insight (which is why WP:NOSTAT is mentioned). The margin and grid position columns are the NOSTAT violations. The rest of the columns also exist in their racing record summary. And it may vollow the style and structure for the article you listed for Rooney, Tendulkar or Lomu but the major difference is that these wins can be viewed in the articles for the respective drivers (as you acknowledge in the third sentence of your response, the same can not be said for Rooney, Tendulkar or Lomu. SSSB (talk) 22:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, ladmc and Tvx1. These all are best integrated in main articles. SpacedFarmer (talk) 12:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom - just repeating data already presented at the home article of the driver in the career results sections. --Falcadore (talk) 15:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all - they are all valid WP:SIZESPLITs of their respective articles, keeping said articles from being too hard to navigate and read. Merging all should also be considered by delete !voters, especially since SpacedFarmer's rationale is basically a merge !vote, not a delete !vote. But again, we're risking making these articles too long and clunky (per WP:NOMERGE). The LISTCRUFT essay does not apply here when these are split from their respective articles, not standalone. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are not valid sizesplits, because they were not split. You are the only person who has suggested that we should be merging, mainly because those arguning for deletion (as far as I can tell by skimming the arguemnts) feel that the level of detail these articles go into (i.e. with grid positions and margin of victory) are in violation of WP:FANCRUFT and WP:NOSTATS regardless of whether they are in their own article, or in the general article about that driver. The listcruft essay does apply because this was split from the respective articles. SSSB (talk) 22:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep All of them are the same as the many other such articles for sports people. Category:Career achievements of sportspeople If it won't fit in their main article, then a split off article is justified. We do the same when listing the accomplishments of actors and musicians, if their awards don't all fit in their main article, you make a side article to list them. Dream Focus 22:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The difference is that the accomplishment of thier race wins does fit in the main article, it is bundlged together with a breakdown of their results. The only unique information of the nominated pages is FANCRUFT and NOSTAT violations with a summary of their results (and by extention wins) accessible in the main articles. SSSB (talk) 22:48, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: These are all redundant forks of information already found at the main articles for these subjects. Let'srun (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all the articles of the respective drivers already break-down their races wins in a much cleaner and succinct way - through the race record table (e.g. Lewis Hamilton#Complete Formula One results). The nominated articles do nothing other than specify minor details. The only parts of these articles which are unique to these articles (i.e. not already specified on the main driver page) are: date, circuit, grid position and margin which are all either WP:FANCRUFT, WP:NOSTAT or both (e.g. margin and grid position lack any of the context required for this information to be worth anything meaningful. These articles serve no purpose other than to offer irrelevant and/or contextless data. SSSB (talk) 22:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rugby league

Kristian Freed

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this rugby league player to meet WP:GNG. All I found was this. JTtheOG (talk) 22:24, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Desmond Mok

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Redirect to List of Papua New Guinea national rugby league team players as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. I found a couple trivial mentions (2010, 2016, etc.) and not much else. JTtheOG (talk) 20:49, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Johnson Kuike

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Redirect to List of Papua New Guinea national rugby league team players as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. I found a couple trivial mentions (2010, 2011, etc.) and not much else. JTtheOG (talk) 20:47, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North East Rugby League Regional Division

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Trying to tidy up pages on the UK amature structure. Can't seem to find any sources for this or relevant information elsewhere on Wikipedia. Article unreferenced and unvarifyable, WP:TNT may apply. Mn1548 (talk) 17:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North West Counties

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Trying to tidy up pages on the UK amature structure. Can't seem to find any sources for this or relevant information elsewhere on Wikipedia. Article unreferenced and unvarifyable, WP:TNT may apply. Mn1548 (talk) 19:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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North West Men's League

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Trying to tidy up pages on the UK amature structure. Can't seem to find any sources for this or relevant information elsewhere on Wikipedia. Article unreferenced and unvarifyable, WP:TNT may apply. Mn1548 (talk) 19:12, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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South East Men's League

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Trying to tidy up pages on the UK amature structure. Can't seem to find any sources for this or relevant information elsewhere on Wikipedia. Article unreferenced and unvarifyable, WP:TNT may apply. Mn1548 (talk) 19:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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South West Rugby League

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Trying to tidy up pages on the UK amature structure. Can't seem to find any sources for this or relevant information elsewhere on Wikipedia. Article unreferenced and unvarifyable, WP:TNT may apply. Mn1548 (talk) 19:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yorkshire Men's League

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Keep This is one of the stronger, more notable regional leagues, and a couple of its clubs have recently made (ambitious) applications to join the professional ranks ([72], [73]). TNT is meant as a last resort and I don't think it should apply here. J Mo 101 (talk) 22:23, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

North East Rugby League Premier Division

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Pennine League

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Keep This is historically important as it was one of the largest amateur leagues in the country during its heyday, and is one of the last surviving traditional winter leagues. There are lots of sources at the British Newspaper Archive which could be used to improve the article. J Mo 101 (talk) 21:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Midlands Rugby League Premier Division

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Comment: As it is known where this league falls into the wider structure via refs on the RLC page, I would lean towards keeping the article if a few more references could be found. Will work on incorporating those refs onto this page. Mn1548 (talk) 16:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Midlands Rugby League Division Two

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Delete Non-notable competition. Fails WP:GNG. J Mo 101 (talk) 12:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Midlands Rugby League Division One

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Delete Non-notable competition. Fails WP:GNG. J Mo 101 (talk) 12:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Midlands Junior League

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London Mens League

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Disagree that this should be deleted as it is up to date with the current London Men’s League. There are other pages that should be deleted first such as London and South East men’s league or merit leagues. You are right that the Wikipedia pages for amateur Rugby League does need updating though. Camogray (talk) 15:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone AfDed all the merit leagues a while back and have all been redirect to Rugby League Conference. I have also AfDed "London and South East men’s league" with this one. While this is one of the very few that is upto date and in context with the wider system, it still needs references to comply with WP:GNG. Mn1548 (talk) 16:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: As it is known where this league falls into the wider structure via refs on the RLC page, I would lean towards keeping the article if a few more references could be found. Will work on incorporating those refs onto this page. Mn1548 (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hull & District League

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Delete per nom. Open age league doesn't appear to exist anymore; only youth teams. J Mo 101 (talk) 13:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby League Conference North West Division

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East Rugby League

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Cumbria Men's League

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Cumberland League

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CMS Yorkshire league

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Redirect to Yorkshire Men's League, which is effectively the successor competition to this league. J Mo 101 (talk) 21:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yorkshire Men's League appers to be the successor of the RLC Yorkshire Premier from what is written on the pages. Mn1548 (talk) 15:01, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Barrow & District League

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Delete Non-notable local amateur league. Fails WP:GNG. J Mo 101 (talk) 12:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby League Conference North West Premier

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Comment: As it is known where this league falls into the wider structure via refs on the RLC page, I would lean towards keeping the article if a few more references could be found. Will work on incorporating those refs onto this page. Mn1548 (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative: Redirect to North West Men's League. Mn1548 (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby League Conference Welsh Championship

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Comment: After a little bit of further research, this used to be the RLC Welsh Regional. Still can't find anything more than a passing mention so maybe a redirect to a subsection of South Wales Men's League could be a better alternative. Mn1548 (talk) 19:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby League Conference Yorkshire Premier

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Comment: As it is known where this league falls into the wider structure via refs on the RLC page, I would lean towards keeping the article if a few more references could be found. Will work on incorporating those refs onto this page. Mn1548 (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternative: Redirect to Yorkshire Men's League. Mn1548 (talk) 15:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

InterTown Series

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Seemingly non notable competition that relys on a single source Mn1548 (talk) 17:56, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Victory Cup

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None notable competition, article relies on one source. Mn1548 (talk) 16:37, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is clearly not the primary topic for Victory Cup. As far as having an article at all: the one source is too dubious. Walsh90210 (talk) 20:43, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby League Varsity Match

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It exists, but isn't notable. I couldn't find a suitable WP:ATD. Boleyn (talk) 08:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of British and Irish varsity matches if no references can be found. Mn1548 (talk) 13:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as there are references available for much of this - I have added four so far. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep: looks like the referencing work done since nomination is enough to justify WP:GNG. Storm machine (talk) 00:15, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I removed the notability tag after adding the ninth reference as this now meets GNG. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 15:32, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Now well-referenced, seems notable. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 19:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raquel Anderson

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a New Zealand women's rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG. A possible redirect target is New Zealand women's national rugby league team. JTtheOG (talk) 02:16, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I can't find any sigcov. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 07:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Week keep Some sources to indicate notability, but only just. Mn1548 (talk) 16:59, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Has played at the highest level, having represented New Zealand including at a World Cup. Paora (talk) 12:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Paora: Participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated in 2022. BLPs require strong sourcing. JTtheOG (talk) 17:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Liam Ayoub

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a Lebanese rugby league player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 22:17, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Another Australian second tier player who's article needs actually writing. Looks like it can be expanded upon but of not delete. Mn1548 (talk) 16:56, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. As a minimum we would expect league players to have played first grade rugby league which this player hasn't. LibStar (talk) 18:27, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Eze Harper

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV; all that came up was this transactional announcement. A possible redirect target is List of Barrow Raiders players. JTtheOG (talk) 22:51, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Representative footballer.Fleets (talk) 04:30, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated two years ago. JTtheOG (talk) 02:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided Not really enough references but still something, notability if carrer is also somewhere in the middle. Mn1548 (talk) 16:54, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joel Wicks

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Redirect to List of London Broncos players as I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this rugby league player. JTtheOG (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - multiple season pro footballer.Fleets (talk) 04:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Participation-based criteria for athletes were deprecated two years ago. JTtheOG (talk) 02:08, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undecided Not really enough references but still something, notability if carrer is also somewhere in the middle. Mn1548 (talk) 16:53, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jon Molloy

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Poorly sourced rugby BLP. All I found were transactional announcements (1, 2, 3) and a routine injury update (1). There seem to be multiple redirect candidates (List of Wakefield Trinity players, List of Salford Red Devils players). JTtheOG (talk) 19:40, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep Some non-routine coverage here. I'm a bit surprised I couldn't find more for someone who made nearly 50 Super League appearances. Perhaps someone can add more using offline sources, as a lot of websites unfortunately haven't kept archives during the time period he played in. J Mo 101 (talk) 09:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sufficiently soured in my opinion. Mn1548 (talk) 16:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rugby union

Devin Oosthuizen

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Stock photos, match reports and an ESPN profile are all I can find for this person. Not meeting notability requirements due to a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 20:15, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NJ Oosthuizen

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 19:40, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leneve Damens

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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 23:44, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players Lots of coverage, of both him playing in Namibia and from his earlier career in South Africa, but I don't think any of it reaches the levels of GNG. Redirect is a suitable WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect obviously does not fufill GNG or SNG (pro athletes). Suitable ATD. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:46, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ntokozo Vidima

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The most I found were a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 00:55, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Quite a bit of coverage, but not really enough to suggest a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Riaan Esterhuizen

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 03:10, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Few bits here and there, but not enough to suggest a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quintin Esterhuizen

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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 03:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Namibia national rugby union players There is some coverage out there on this player, but I don't think any of it reaches what's needed for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JP Lewis

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:58, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JR Esterhuizen

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was this piece on his apparent career switch. JTtheOG (talk) 18:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wiehan Hay

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this transactional announcement. JTtheOG (talk) 23:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:15, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sphu Msutwana

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 20:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen Collopy

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All I found for this rugby player were a pair of transactional announcements (1, 2). There is some minor coverage, but nothing non-routine. JTtheOG (talk) 20:28, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fair bit of coverage, but I'm not sure there is enough to pass WP:GNG here. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CJ Conradie

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. It's possible he goes by a different given name. JTtheOG (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Curwin Gertse

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I found a handful of sentences of coverage here and here on this rugby player. I don't think that's enough for WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Probably a case of WP:TOOSOON. Lots of coverage of his youth career, but nothing really GNG worthy yet. Not sure coverage would increase enough in the next 6 months to make it worth draftifying and no suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 09:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nqubeko Zulu

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:58, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JC Kritzinger

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 16:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Few bits and pieces here and there with some of them having him as the main subject, but probably not enough for a WP:GNG pass. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: does not meet GNG/SNG and I cannot find any sources on this man outside of databases. Possible redirect to one his teams but I am not sure about that. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:51, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grant Janke

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this piece detailing a criminal charge in Australia. JTtheOG (talk) 16:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tertius Maarman

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 16:28, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks to fail WP:GNG. No suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:41, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Francois Esterhuyzen

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. All I found was this routine news piece and a few interviews in Russian-language media (1, 2, 3). JTtheOG (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think there's enough in the Russian coverage to suggest a weak keep for WP:GNG. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jéan Rossouw

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I am unable to find enough coverage of the subject, a South African rugby union player, to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 20:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep Couple of bits here, here and here which I think make it worth a weak keep. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 08:59, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete on account of the serious dearth of sources denoting notability. The ones provided above by RugbyFan22 are two routine listings of players, plus one nostalgia-cum-trivia article titled "Where Are They Now". We cannot construct notability on such thin ground. Otherwise, Wikipedia would be a collection of random information. -The Gnome (talk) 17:22, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep the sources mentioned by Rugbyfan22 look like non-trivial coverage (there is a prose section of each, it's not just a routine listing). I am assuming Rugby365 is an acceptable source. --Here2rewrite (talk) 17:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per The Gnome. This subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from IRS to meet the GNG. Let'srun (talk) 22:34, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:SPORTSPERSON was recently revised for this exact situation. A sports biography must contain at least one independent reliable source which significantly covers the subject. Nothing approaching that here, applied, presented or found. BusterD (talk) 16:54, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Progress Chapter Two: The March Of Progress

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No reason why this small show would be independently notable from the parent company. WP:BEFORE didn't show this event was particularly notable. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:53, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, thank you for the sincere feedback. However, I believe that a proper categorization and documentation of Progress Wrestling's "Chapter" flagship events should exist. Now I understand that the early chapters might indeed be less notable than the more recent ones but I believe they should be part of the project which has to benefit from clear continuity. The presence of only some of the chapters on the mainspace would disrupt it as this continuity should be sanctioned as a book with pages. Let me know what you think. Regards! JeyReydar97 (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have articles on subjects that aren't notable simply because later similar articles might be notable. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all of these events are also featured on WWE Network's broadcast system as VOD shoes as Progress has held business relationships with WWE. They're pretty popular on that streaming service. JeyReydar97 (talk) 22:07, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No coverage in RS, nothing found now. Was a decade ago, likely no further coverage. I don't see any sourcing we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 22:29, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It has video coverage on Progress' Youtube channel. I also found written coverages from two trustworthy sites. One of them is 411Mania. They should be more than enough as references. JeyReydar97 (talk) 22:42, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Perhaps @JeyReydar97: could combine a couple of these early events into a larger article? Mixed martial arts does something similar for articles such as 2020 in Konfrontacja Sztuk Walki. JTtheOG (talk) 03:15, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment maybe, a list like List of Evolve Wrestling events is more usefull. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 08:40, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@HHH Pedrigree: Thank you; I wasn't sure wether they had done it for wrestling events too. JTtheOG (talk) 17:31, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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