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DYK for Redoshi

 On 12 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Redoshi, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Redoshi (pictured), a West African woman who lived in Alabama and died in 1937, was the last known survivor of the transatlantic slave trade? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Redoshi. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Redoshi), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

An interesting read, thank you! Levivich 02:30, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
Sure thing. Even more amazing is that my co-teacher lives in the same county, and this was news to her. Drmies (talk) 13:55, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Ring-a-ding, baby!

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You're cryin' in the rain, pal... Writ Keeper  15:02, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Writ Keeper, why don't you do something useful? Joseph Wright, a man who like Ali Eisami was enslaved and later settled in Sierra Leone, might need an article... Thanks pal! Drmies (talk) 15:05, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Dude I'm sorry to hear that. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
No, I'm fine, I'm sorry, I shouldn't joke like that (or, for that matter, like the first joke in this thread, but that's just because it wasn't funny). Just feeling really down about a lot of personal things. Depression, I don't know, maybe, but not crippling. Writ Keeper  15:12, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Well, I am sorry. I know the feeling. I sometimes write articles here to occupy myself in a sometimes productive way. Lately I've become interested in the history of enslaved African people and I ran into one yesterday, from this list--there's a lot of people on it who need articles. Anyway, take care of yourself WK. I know you as a fine human being. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Ken Banks

You recently made a number of edits to Ken Banks. Recently the page was reported for paid editing. Some of your edits seem to be very similar to the "requested edits" that the paid editing company attempted to make. Can you clarify? If you were paid to make these edits, please say so. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 18:08, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

What iteration of "Drmies is secretly a paid editor" are we on now? Galobtter (pingó mió) 18:20, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Seems to be supposedly related to this. MPS1992 (talk) 19:05, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Regarding the "instructions" from he paid editing company that tried to hire me, this edit matches instruction #1. this edit removes the same citation as instruction #7. These come after a series of anonymous edits on the article earlier in the day. I am not trying to accuse, I am assuming good faith and asking Drmies directly as I follow up on an issue while checking on my follow-up list related to this issue. I'd ask the same of any other editor. The Pony Toast 🍞 (Talk) 19:28, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
PonyToast, I think these edits speak for themselves, don't they? Who, you think, would pay me for those? Jimbo? Drmies (talk) 01:14, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Only a few weeks ago, this pony had forgotten which template to use when they were adding someone else's work to Wikipedia. @PonyToast: do you have an apology ready for Drmies, for your confusion? MPS1992 (talk) 23:37, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I'm not looking for an apology, just for some...I don't know, recognition of common sense. PonyToast? Drmies (talk) 00:34, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


Not out of nowhere - it's CC-BY material. Nice way to fill a big gap in coverage. The Drover's Wife (talk) 05:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

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Legal threat?

PESchneider is engaged in a rather hostile content dispute at WP:COIN and WP:BLPN. They state they are the partner of an article subject, Guy McPherson, and that recent reverts of their additions are "vandalism". In the midst of others trying to explain to them the intricacies of WP:COI, they made this comment on their own talk page. The last sentence, "This could become a legal issue as it seems Wikipedia promotes the misrepresentation of an individual on his BRP [sic]," looks like a borderline legal threat. Is that over the WP:NLT line or just edging up to it? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 15:45, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

  • I don't think I would block for that, but I hope someone dropped them an "only warning" pointing to NLT. So yes, I think it's just on this side of the borderline, though I wouldn't be surprised if some admins would block for the chilling effect alone. And if, for instance, that threat of a threat had been preceded by a bunch of douchebaggery, it might simply be the straw that breaks the camel's back, enough for a harassment block. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you so much for a voice of sanity. I was seriously starting to doubt myself. I used to enjoy editing - but now I dread going online :( Contaldo80 (talk) 02:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry to hear that. I do not understand what made that editor so persistent on that particular topic. If this is more widespread, maybe you want to consider ANI... Drmies (talk) 02:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
    • Drmies, there's already an AN/I section started on May 9 concerning the editor I think you're referring to. Yngvadottir (talk) 02:44, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Destination maps

I was merely repeating what this editor said. I'm not really involved with WP:AVIATION that much, and he OTOH seems to be, so maybe you'd want to ask him. Daniel Case (talk) 03:47, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Let's see if they respond to the ping. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Destination maps have been discussed at WP:AIRPORTS many times and the general consensus is that they should not be included. For large airports it is quite difficult to keep them up to date and accurate. There is also the problem of some destination maps being unreadable due to the sheer amount of destinations. In the case of Stewart International Airport these issues probably wouldn't arise, but the project-wide policy is not to include them. Thanks, VG31 11:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks VG31. So that leaves the question of what to do with this here. Can you leave them a note and point them in the right direction? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:28, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Shakira111 again

BeikMusic this time, SPI here. Sadly they learned how to pass semi-protection. --Muhandes (talk) 09:57, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

  • It'll have to be decided on behavior--or with the help of a CU who knows what the technical details are. Sorry, Drmies (talk) 00:26, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


Hello, Drmies,

I, Harryawhite, propose that the article "Tongva" be deleted on the grounds that it violates Wikipedia's Common Name Policy:

"What's in a name?" asks the Bard of Avon. "That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet."

"Well, a rose is a rose as you say," I say, "but a Native American is a horse of a different color. That which we call Kizh by any other name, e.g., Tongva, would stink to high Heaven."

Long before 1993, twenty-six years ago, which is a short time ago in the history of the Gabrielenos (from 1769), the only legitimate band of San Gabriel Mission Indians were doing everything in their power to hang on to their heritage. Persevering, they were hanging on as best they could dealing with priests and soldiers and the powerful nations and cultures of Spain and Mexico. And persevering to this day they hang on as best they can dealing with the United States, the most powerful nation and culture in the world. Now they have something else to worry about — the Tongva.

Doing what they can to hang on to what little is left of their heritage hasn't gotten any easier for the Gabrielenos. In 1993 some outsiders, non-Indian academics, etc., began attending their meetings and boning up on their culture. Then these attendees went out and attached the word "Tongva" (sounds like "Tonto") to "Gabrieleno" and — Voila! — the Tongva-Gabrieleno tribe (hyphen phonies) and the Tongva/Gabrieleno tribe (slash phonies) out of thin air, in the hope of gaining federal recognition and developing a casino and making themselves fabulously rich, basically.

Since 1993 the Gabrielenos have had to deal with the Tongva who purport to be Gabrielenos. There was no such thing as a Tongva tribe before 1993, sadly the Tongvas have been very effective in the promotion of themselves since then, thus they get more "hits" than the Gabrielenos, though they the Gabrielenos have been around since the first Spaniard called out "Gabrieleno" (adding the suffix) to some poor San Gabriel Mission (Native American) slave from the San Gabriel area.Harryawhite (talk) 23:27, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Listen, neither the slash group nor the hyphen group will ever receive federal recognition, because there is no such thing as a tribe of Tongva. Federal recognition is not going to happen for these pretendians, ever. As for developing a casino, the State of California denied them in 1994. A casino is not going to happen for these pretendians, ever.

But the hyphen and slash groups are far better, far more effective in the promotion of themselves (i.e., developing sources) than the original tribe, unfortunately; thus, Wikipedia gladly accepts articles such as "Tongva," "Tongva Populated Places," and "Tongva Language," etc., for publication, bogus though they may be; not to mention numerous others who are happy enough or gullible enough to publish Tongva articles, and books even, each of which does further harm to the San Gabriel Band of Mission Indians in their struggle to do what they can to hang on to what little is left of their heritage. And the Tongva will continue to promote themselves federal recognition or not, casino or not, come hell or high water. Make no mistake, each and every time someone reads the word "Tongva" the Gabrielenos fade a little further into history. As Tongva grows Gabrieleno fades. Any right-thinking individual would hate to see what little is left of their heritage disappear forever.

I don't believe that Wikipedia knowingly supports these pretendians in their efforts to promote themselves into a common and accepted name but they do; ignorance is no excuse. The Gabrielenos, the legitimate band of Native Americans, should not be discarded and abandoned in favor of a bogus band that gets "more hits" or has a "more common name" — give the Gabrielenos a break! — putting too high a premium on or giving too much credence to promotion, i.e., making "more hits," bogus or not, the be-all and end-all in the discussion for acceptance for publication, is a big mistake.

The Tongva admit in their Wikipedia article titled "Tongva" that the villages inhabited by the Gabrielenos (and other slaves of other missions) were inhabited by Native Americans who called themselves the "People of the Willowhouse." "Kizh" (the closest thing to a pan-tribal name for these Native Americans) or "People of the Willowhouse" is the only legitimate name, the only legitimate title for articles about these Native Americans or the villages they lived in or the language they spoke. Tongva this or Tongva that is illegitimate and harmful.

In closing, neither the Tongva-Gabrielenos nor the Tongva/Gabrielenos have the right to attach the word "Tongva" to "Gabrieleno," and then promote the hell out of themselves for the sole benefit of themselves. They are mercenaries. Furthermore, Wikipedia had no business accepting, has no business publishing "Tongva" on its website — it's a slap in the face to the Gabrielenos, "The People of the Willowhouse." What's worse, it's nothing less than blatant support of cultural appropriation, pure and simple and evil.

Harryawhite (talk) 18:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)Harryawhite (talk) 23:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)Harryawhite (talk) 23:31, 15 May 2019 (UTC) Should Wikipedia's editors, or whoever it is that decides whether or not an article should be deleted, do the right thing and delete "Tongva," I would be happy to fill in the gap with an article titled "The People of the Willowhouse," if approved by the Gabrielenos.

Please see my stuff on the Tongva talk page.Harryawhite (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2019 (UTC) Please see my stuff. Help me help the Gabrielenos. Thank you.Harryawhite (talk) 01:58, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry D, I like paragraph breaks too. It's here for you because I saw your name on my talk page. Thought you might be interested, sorry.Harryawhite (talk) 02:02, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Harryawhite, sure--but PLEASE let me give you some advice before you get blocked indefinitely.

    a. That edit warring, going back and forth and restoring your own edits, is going to lead to a block, no doubt about it. Stop fighting "in" the article, please.

    b. You are using a lot of words--too many for most editors, probably.

    c. We HAVE to go by what reliable sources say, and that is the problem here. For instance, in some of your edits you include a link to the Amazon page for a book--it is not clear whether that book is written by a reputable author, published by a reputable press, and can count as a reliable source (see WP:RS). On the contrary, User:Cuchullain points to what they think are reliable sources, and present an argument--your argument involves too much "That's my story and I'm sticking to it". Without reliable sources you won't get anywhere, and namedropping E. Gary Stickel, Ph.D., means nothing unless you present the published reference.

    d. I blanked what you wrote on Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Log/2019 May 14, since you're barking up the wrong tree--and that's not even a tree.

    In general, I strongly suggest you read up on what Wikipedia is and figure out how it works, before you start dropping these heaps of text all over the place--and that you consider that the reader/editor here wants short, readable paragraphs and, especially, reliable sources. And read this: [1]. Sure, there's debate, and this author says "Tongva" is preferred. Thing is, their opinion, argument and all, was published in a book, and that trumps a lot--and I doubt you're going to go to the University of Nebraska Press and yell at them for being cultural appropriators. We reflect, or should reflect, what the sources say. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 02:25, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

For anyone interested, a version of the above -- or most of it -- with paragraph breaks seems currently to be at User:Harryawhite (while stocks last). MPS1992 (talk) 21:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)
I do love paragraph breaks! Harry, I have no idea what you are talking about. Or why this is here. Drmies (talk) 00:19, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
Holy wall o' text, Batman! John from Idegon (talk) 01:11, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello. You said in February that if starts mass-prodding articles again, you would block the IP. Now it's time to do it. The edits are obviously insane, including re-adding the PROD templates to articles that were prodded by the IP before (which is not allowed), e.g. [2]. The IP is obviously not interested in feedback at all. Blocking is the only possible form of communication here.—J. M. (talk) 01:01, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

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i think

there is some disjuncture somewhere... JarrahTree 14:20, 16 May 2019 (UTC) "I, for one, ell very disjunctured.14:22, 16 May 2019 (UTC)~

there is an element of either absurdity or some bizarre surreality that the late john antrobus or maybe milliganus spikus could have created a film, perhaps a play, about the sock that constantly inhabits its own court of judgement from the wrong side of the room and constantly speaks in a language that suggests either a severe case of austic incomprehension or perhaps sheer delight in leaving meaningless linguistic clues that would make the ghost of the late umberto ecco want to return to life to create a whole tome about loops in the reality/time/space discjuncture, or something like that...JarrahTree 14:27, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
please excuse the complex allusions to obscure long dead english playwriters (well almost) - it wasnt my intention - it was more frustation at some aspects of how an indonesian sock is constantly appearing in its own checkuser space - spooky to say the least, however the very good cu from the fair archipelago is putting some processes in place... long time not menace this talk page - surprised some smart page watcher hasnt dropped in to allude to the veritable merits of possible puns about ecco, antrobus or their mate the perennially depressed miliganus spikus JarrahTree 14:39, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
@JarrahTree: do you mean like this, or a different way? MPS1992 (talk) 00:13, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
more or less JarrahTree 00:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Hmm most of that goes over my head, as does some of the stuff in the ANI discussion. I see that Floquenbeam had a concise comment there, and I typically trust his judgment--but I'm not about to dive into another matter I'm not familiar with. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


So, Drmies - what exactly did you find so important that you couldn't resist adding a second paragraph to house your off-topic comment? I thought of a few possibilities but nothing that went beyond mean-spirited or obliquely threatening. Atsme Talk 📧 18:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Hmm that was off-topic? But the "threatening" note is a nice touch. Drmies (talk) 18:20, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
    • And that means??? Atsme Talk 📧 22:17, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
      • I'm sorry, I don't understand; I'm sorry. Let me try again. The general tenor of the first remark was, "My post was off-topic but your post wasn't?" Meaning also, you're on an arbitration page and you are including conversational and colloquial content that some might say was irrelevant, others might call appropriate, many apparently thought was puzzling. And: "That you call my note threatening is a clever rhetorical trick, by which you suggested that the person criticizing a comment of yours was actually threatening you personally." It's kind of like yelling "I'm being oppressed"--except that that guy was actually being manhandled. Like, if I were to scream bloody murder cause you came to my talk page to make comments, and I'd call that harassment or whatever. Some people do that. Yes, I think that crying foul over a DS warning when someone's already had one is a bit, I don't want to say "snowflakey" because that's usually a right-wing word, and I don't want to use the words "triggering" and "safe spaces" because making fun of those terms is usually a right-wing tactic to belittle the real trauma felt by real people, so Ima just call it exaggerated. Which I think I did. If I didn't, I'll be glad to come back and add more words. Atsme, you got better things to do than to try and either befriend or cajole me. We're just editors here. Drmies (talk) 22:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
        • In Texas, we call bullhonkey BULLHONKEY. For one thing, I didn't "cry foul over a DS warning" and if that's what you believe, that's your problem, not mine. I explained what triggered my request, and for you to intimidate me and try to belittle me over an innocent request that I felt would be helpful to admins and editors alike speaks volumes about you, not me. I know exactly what you did and what you're trying to do now, and I don't appreciate it. Thanks for your little strawman explanation and failed attempt at gaslighting - it served to confirm exactly what I said you did when you alluded to my t-ban, pretending not to know it was successfully appealed, and some bullhonkey about Bill Gates. Shame on you, Drmies. Feel free to hat this discussion and save yourself further embarrassment. Atsme Talk 📧 23:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
          • Next time you have a "request", post it on some discussion page. If you felt "intimidated" by my comments (sorry, I'm trying to keep from laughing), that's too bad. How about I don't hat this, so the popcorn gallery can see how you swing this way and that. That topic ban of yours was a great thing; whoever agreed to shelve it was a fool. You know what they say in Alabama? "Bless her heart". Drmies (talk) 23:55, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I was reading through the Analects, and came across the ancient Chinese curse: nìng wéi tàipíng quan, mò zuò luàn lí rén. I think it refers to the very early days of Wikidom. My Ancient Chinese is a bit rusty. But, near as I can figure, it translates to: “May you have an interesting talk page”. Some may think this off-topic; but I like popcorn.. O3000 (talk) 23:59, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Ha, I don't really care for popcorn at all myself. Two, three years ago I had more patience than I do today. The latest installment in that thing (cause I'm not quite sure what it is) is this edit, which tellingly starts with "No, that is not the purpose or intent. There is obviously a misunderstanding". What a surprise. Drmies (talk) 00:05, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Merely participating in that filing (I’m embarrassed to say) uses more time than you would use deleting a decade of DS alerts. O3000 (talk) 00:14, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes, Drmies - I encourage you to feel cozy when the pile-ons begin. As you advised me once...somebody out there is collecting diffs. Atsme Talk 📧 02:33, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Haha, that's not even obliquely threatening. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Tugelbay Sydykbekov

 On 18 May 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Tugelbay Sydykbekov, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Kyrgyzstani author Tugelbay Sydykbekov won the Stalin Prize in 1949 for the novel People of our Time, which simultaneously embraced Soviet-style communism and traditional culture including Islam? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tugelbay Sydykbekov. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Tugelbay Sydykbekov), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Regarding posts on Admin Noticeboard

Dear user,

It is not acceptable for editors to be paid for writing articles. This is against the Wikipedia community guidelines. This is a formal noticeboard so do not post things that would mislead people that you are involved even though you are joking. Thanks. WikiAviator (talk) 04:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

(for those interested, this is related to this MPS1992 (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2019 (UTC) )
User:WikiAviator, you are being very, very silly. Drmies (talk) 14:18, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in but paid contributors are impossible to prevent and actually not against policy. It obviously creates a conflict of interest, so the guideline is to disclose when you are being paid. Such editors are added to tracking categories so they can face extra scrutiny for violating WP:NPOV. Disclosing payment is welcomed and if it wasn't, it would just go underground and we'd never know who was and who wasn't paid. Is there a policy against soliciting paid contributions on-wiki? I don't know, but perhaps there is. Is there a policy against joking about it? Almost certainly not. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 22:25, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
Maybe we could have a policy against Drmies joking about it? MPS1992 (talk) 23:02, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
I am not fully familiar with Drmies sense of humor, but it is not outside the general realm of possibility that all humor and satire could be banned (levity=bad) from Wikipedia. Is the admin noticeboard the best place to make jokes, probably not, but some people have sticks they need to remove. That said, maybe a specific joke ban or joke filter can be imposed on Drmies. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 23:44, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
What if we paid him not to make jokes? He could be an undisclosed paid non-editor? More on point, it is not against policy to be a disclosed paid editor (alas), or to make jokes about paid editing on a noticeboard. -- Euryalus (talk) 23:49, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
By the way, disclosing if you're a paid editor is not just welcomed, it's mandatory. -- Euryalus (talk) 23:52, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
True, but how would we know if not through self-disclosure? Randomly encountering Wikipedians offering their services on Craigslist or eBay using their real user name? Otherwise, it pretty much has to be on a volunteer basis. Cheers, --SVTCobra (talk) 00:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Euryalus, at this stage in my life and my career I'd do just about anything to get paid, including making jokes, not making jokes, making not-jokes, and making serious remarks. I am still waiting on PonyToast's response. Who knows, they might have a job offer for me. As for a filter, y'all know that's going to be hard, for starters cause I like to use big words hahahahahaha. Sorry, gotta go--watching Columbo. Drmies (talk) 00:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Is this the one where Janet Leigh gets away with it? Only other one that I remember is when he let Faye Dunaway get away with her murder. Sucker for a pretty face. But then, Perry Mason once lost a case. O3000 (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Columbo (season 5), first episode. But I was distracted so I'm sure I missed something important. Something about pills, and I don't know what the cooking lady has to do with it. Oh! the old lady has a black cat suit! This is going to be awesome. Drmies (talk) 00:17, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes Janet Leigh! Drmies (talk) 00:18, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

But I the point is that he deleted what he said on my talk page, and this implies that he knows that his actions are not wuite right. Yes I will report vandalism for him deleting things on my talk pagr so no need to remind me and say that I am silly ok? Also, I think that articles should be written at a voluntary basis so that the articles that do not follow the notability guidelines can't be written just because they were paid.WikiAviator (talk) 05:34, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


Hi Drmies, I want to ask you about something. It's something that makes me feel uncomfortable in Wikipedia. I said something when I was still new in Wikipedia. And that thing was really stupid and I want to remove it. I want to remove it completely from Wikipedia. If you are able to help me please let me know I will send you an email where that stupid thing I said is.--SharabSalam (talk) 05:43, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

  • Go ahead and sent it. I'll let you know if there's anything I can do. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:16, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


Hi Drmies: It is interesting that you feel I am trying to insert language into articles from a conservative viewpoint. Take an objective look at any Wikipedia article about a current politician. Those about conservatives include far more criticism than those about liberals - this is not just my opinion, but a well-recognized fact. The articles about Ocasio-Cortez, Rashida Tlaib, Hillary Clinton, and Bernie Sanders are no exceptions - they are written from a very supportive, left-wing viewpoint, rather than an objective, balanced viewpoint which would include criticism as well as support for various positions. A good example is AOC's support of the Green New Deal, which requires deficit spending and relies on the Modern Monetary Theory. While the Green New Deal is supported by environmental activist groups like Greenpeace, it has been roundly criticized by many renowned members of the scientific community as well as numerous economists. Yet to read the AOC article, you might wrongly conclude that the Green New Deal was going to boost the economy, rather than require an enormous investment of money and a massive increase in debt which even supporters like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez admit will be the case. However, no criticism at all of her support of the Green New Deal or its reliance on deficit spending, or indeed any criticism of her whatsoever, is allowed in the article, as it could never pass consensus of Wikipedia editors, who are by and large liberal. On the other hand, the article about President Trump paints him as a liar and racist - starting with the opening section. If criticism to this degree is allowed in an article about the President, certainly a bit of criticism is in order in an article about a controversial first-term representative. However, since the block I have not edited the AOC article to include criticism, however warranted - I simply fixed two sentences so events are now in chronological order JohnTopShelf (talk) 22:31, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

  • I got to where you said AOC's policy requires "deficit spending". We're not here to discuss politics; you can do that anywhere you like but not on Wikipedia. I do wonder, though--if you have a problem with "deficit spending", surely you're also against recent tax policies that blow the national deficit through the roof. But I really don't give a rat's ass for your opinion on AOC's this or that (or anyone else's opinion), and my opinion on it is also irrelevant (but I'll let you in on a secret: I don't have one). I don't know how our article paints the president--I have no interest in reading it, but that he tells lies on a daily basis is a well-established fact. Reliable sources say it. And here is the crux: if reliable sources say it and you're still not liking that it's in the article, your problem is not with Wikipedia editors but with Wikipedia's rules.

    Anyway, what I care about is that you seem to be on a crusade. You're not even denying your POV. I'm not about to read the AOC article cause I'm trying to watch Columbo here, but I will trust that there's enough editors active there who are keeping an eye on things. That you are not getting your way is too bad, I suppose, but not surprising since the edits I saw you make were simply not in agreement with the rules here. Drmies (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


I really appreciate your help with a current WP:BLPCOI violation. Hoopes (talk) 22:03, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

  • That comment was well over the line, and previous comments may be also. Glad to be of service--though I hope you understand my service is to the BLP, and I'd do this for anyone. Then again, I teach Wikipedia too, so I understand some of the things you ran into. Drmies (talk) 22:27, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes, Issue 33

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Books & Bytes
Issue 33, March – April 2019

  • #1Lib1Ref
  • Wikimedia and Libraries User Group update
  • Global branches update
  • Bytes in brief

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