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Doktoro, being hep and with-it, drinks coffee at Starbucks. Although back in Gallifrey coffee houses, like this one at 37 Lauriergracht, have a rather different façade. Doktoro will exhibit youth cred by explaining how 37 Lauriergracht was in an episode of Max Headroom.
  ~ nice to meet you ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 14:22, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Let me add that I once was part owner of a Xantia.
  • Thanks! Goes well with coffee. Drmies (talk) 14:45, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

By the way: ISBN 0198158831 p.223 tells me that the coffee house at 37 Lauriergracht has as famous an address as 221b Baker Street. I think that I have that right. This popular culture stuff from television is Doktoro's area. In the real world, 221b Baker Street was demolished years ago, and the scriptwriter for Doktoro's pop culture couldn't even get the name of The Bailey right. I suspect that xe looked up The Bailey in Pommiepedia when writing. Uncle G (talk) 19:38, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

  • DYK I used to live on the Egelantiersgracht? I get weak when I think of that. Drmies (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Well your past is just a fiction designed to account for the discrepancy between your state of mind and your user talk page.

      — Hold on! This is the wrong series. We'll be pulling in that Zaphod Gearbox person if we are not careful.

      Doktoro, your childhood memories are entirely real and not in any way the product of a Chameleon Arch.

      So … when you swam past 37 Lauriergracht on your way to skool, did you look up? Was there a blue plaque on the wall, perchance? To commemorate the presence there of a man who had not learned to wet shave.

      Uncle G (talk) 00:13, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

      • When I lived on the Egelantiersgracht I was busy dropping out of college. I didn't grow up in Amsterdam, and when I attended the Vrije Universiteit I mostly lived on Uilenstede, close to Amstelveen. So, that's the house of the trader in Max Havelaar--I successfully avoided that in all my Dutch classes. I did read another classic, but that involved another street, the Sarphatistraat: "Behalve den man die de Sarphatistraat de mooiste plek van Europa vond, heb ik nooit een wonderlijker kerel gekend dan den uitvreter", and if you're not laughing as you read this you probably don't read Dutch. It's hilarious. The building seems to be 1930s, and it looks like there's apartments and a real estate agent? I'll ask my buddy to drive by. I didn't see a sign on the more recent picture. But I think this year there are some events commemorating (the end of?) Dutch slavery, so maybe the exploited workers in Multatuli will be paid lip service too... Drmies (talk) 00:23, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

I think I'm going to enjoy your page ~ reminds me of other editors here on wiki ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 23:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Dreamland Bar-B-Que ~ Thanks a lot ~mitch~ (talk) 22:18, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Doktoro needs to carefully check the Foreign in this AFC submission. This is all pop culture and I have no idea what I am writing here. I am citing Michelin, for goodness' sake! Uncle G (talk) 10:22, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

For your youth cred, Doktoro, I'll let you put in the happening and rad part about the Jongensweeshuis run by some brothers. Uncle G (talk) 11:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Oh my goodness... Drmies (talk) 12:43, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Uncle G, that was a fine piece of work. We're live now; I added another house and a few words. Thank you so much. Next up, Benkoelenstraat and Insulindeweg, both in the Indische Buurt... Drmies (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

Did you know …

… that Eduard Bird (a.k.a. Edward) probably lived on the Lauriergracht rather than the Egelantiersgracht, and left around half a million (figures vary from 376000 to over 616000) clay pipes to his son at his death?

  • De Roever, Margriet (1987). "The Fort Orange 'EB' Pipe Bowls: An investigation of the origin of American objects in Dutch seventeenth-century documents". In Blackburn, Roderic H.; Kelley, Nancy A. (eds.). New World Dutch Studies: Dutch Arts and Culture in Colonial America, 1609-1776 : Proceedings of the Symposium. SUNY Press. pp. 51–62. ISBN 9781438429892.
  • Duco, Don (2002). "The Amsterdam pipe maker Eduard Bird, a review of his life and work". Pijpenkabinet. Amsterdam Pipe Museum.

Neither did Wikipedia. Special:WhatLinksHere/Eduard Bird. I'll leave this one for the lurkers. Uncle G (talk) 02:11, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


Someone has beeen writing about your swim to skool, Doktoro, after writing about shipwrecked orange birds. We should probably not mention Talk:Canals of Amsterdam#Red list, as xe might regard that as a challenge. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Well well, {{U|Uncle G]]: would you believe it, someone took a picture of the house I lived in. The top row of three windows was my floor; the single window above is for the bedroom. Best view in the world: lean out the window and look left--that's the Anne Frank Huis; and the sound of the Westerkerk's glockenspiel is the best. User:Picasdre, thanks for taking that picture: I trust you frequented 't Smalle, to the left? Drmies (talk) 23:04, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Doesn't look american ~~ ~mitch~ (talk) 23:18, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

In some ways the Time Lords are like many other people, Doktoro. They've give you a detailed and convincing back-story for your Chamelon Arch, but they've done it by copying and pasting Wikipedia and images from Commons, so that you've ended up improbably close to a famous person. You'll probably find that your memory of your childhood has an "In popular culture" section. Uncle G (talk) 23:04, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

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U1Quattro and YBSOne saga

Sorry I didn't see your ping, but until Yoshida Shoji is done, I effectively cannot be pinged. Thanks for handling it. I actually chose to go with no action, since the edit in question is from February (they both edit the same articles, so there's bound to be some overlap), but I suppose it was, technically, a violation. Oh well. El_C 19:09, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

  • I blocked for an edit from July, El C. Anyway, I don't necessarily want to replay the blocks from last time; I was just pinging you since you did place a block. Drmies (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Sorry if I wasn't clear — I wasn't alluding to the last block. The July edit interacted with an edit from February. El_C 21:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

DYK Kang Daniel

I read your comment about the hook. I actually use the same term listed on Guinness World Records for that. Do you have any other suggestion for that? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moon Gin (talkcontribs) 07:26, 13 July 2019 (UTC)


Maybe this last exchange can shed some light on your question ( Like i said in my thread in Matty's page, that person feels i am the ONLY editor in football that needs cleaning up, all the time everywhere. Most of the time (if not ALWAYS) articles are left in worse condition than they were after their "cleanup", last example being Juan Antonio Anquela.

No point engaging in a WP:ANI report, or proving or disproving WP:HOUND, i'm done with this crap! If the other user wanted this outcome they can pat themselves on the back (and maybe one day, if/when someones does to them what they have done to me, they will understand), if not this was all pointless in the end, but all in all WP is in good hands (in 2019 as it was in 2006 when i started).

Cheers, take care as well --Quite A Character (talk) 18:17, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Just thought of it now: :@MYS77: edits with practically the same style as me, but the other user could not care less about their contributions. Now, who's going to come forward and convince me this is not personal?!? --Quite A Character (talk) 19:23, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
    • I don't know, AL; there are other ways of dispute resolution before ANI. I don't know if you tried any. I'm not going to convince you of anything, I just wish you the best--and I hope the Dutch soccer team earned some of your respect despite losing to a superior US team. Take care old friend. Drmies (talk) 22:06, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for taking care of that IP! I was lying on the couch trying to figure out whether to drag the IP to ANI or request semi-protection or wait for a 3RR violation, but you nipped the issue quickly and saved me a lot of diff-digging for which I greatly appreciate! I'm sure the range block will be very helpful. Aoi (青い) (talk) 18:22, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Sure thing. In the end it wasn't a difficult thing to do, and I hope it will save a lot of aggravation. Thanks, and take care, Drmies (talk) 22:07, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Arbitration and Enforcement

How do I initiate an arbitration and enforcement request against Snooganssnoogans? -JohnTopShelf (talk) 02:56, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

To quote Vanamonde93 on the AE page, "they need to demonstrate their ability to edit without a battleground attitude before they return to it." A retaliatory filing doesn't seem like a very good way to go about proving that you aren't taking a battleground attitude. Acroterion (talk) 03:29, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Well, if you go to WP:ARE you can click on the link that goes "Click here to add a new enforcement request". And as Acroterion says, or suggests, it's probably a really bad idea. Here's the thing. You edited in a way that a half a dozen admins thought was unacceptable. You can choose one of two ways (well, three ways, if you count just forgetting about Wikipedia and instead growing your own food)--you can make sure that you know what those admins (and others) were talking about, since it's likely that they actually know how to do this, and try to edit accordingly, and then file an appeal; or you can file against Snoogans, in an effort that will a. likely not be successful; b. backfire spectacularly on your own efforts. Anyway, if you are going to file that, make sure it's to the point, phrased neutrally, and is larded with just enough diffs to make your case. And if you're going to grow your own food, I hope you have better luck than me. Drmies (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that you have trouble growing food too. In my case, I think the problem is mostly rabbits, but also the heat, insects, and other critters. I had a beautiful artichoke plant with literally (not litterally) dozens of artichoke buds (mostly tiny). I harvested a few very large ones and was thrilled that I'd finally found something I could grow successfully. Then, a coupla days later I went out to discover that some demon-creature had dug right through the roots, and my precious plant had fallen over into a limp heap. But I keep trying. I hope we both start having better luck. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 00:26, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Clyde Foster nomination

I'm too lazy to start a new thread, so I'm just doing this here. To avoid delays with Template:Did you know nominations/Clyde Foster, I recommend taking care of a few things before a reviewer shows up. First, the hook, at 228 characters, is over the 200 limit. Then, there are two hook facts that don't appear in the article. They'll need to be added and sourced (or removed from the hook). While it's implied, the article never actually says he was African-American. It also never says anything about von Braun being a former Nazi rocket scientist. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 02:56, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Yep, that one was in there and now the Nazi bit is in there too. I'm not quite sure what to do with his color. I am not going to stick "African American" in the opening line if we don't do that kind of thing for white people. Anyone who looks at the Undefeated article can see his picture. I looked at the article to find a place to put it in, but the more I look the more it seems silly to me in the article--yet in the hook it's necessary, of course. But I can find a spot. I shortened the hook too--thanks for counting. Drmies (talk) 03:07, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
I'm slightly less lazy today, so I inserted a subsection heading. You managed to add the race in a natural way, and I think the shortened hook is better. I would add some categories such as Category:African-American academics, Category:African-American mathematicians, Category:African-American mayors, and Category:African-American military personnel, but I'll let you take care of that if you so desire. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 18:14, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Achtung! Alles deutscher Getalkpagedoktorenmisenlurkerer!

Der Artiklefürdeletionnomminator nicht gefounden sources hast, parce que het Googlen Searchenengine upturnen les Veryoldenbooks in der Blackletter und Foreign gewritten. Hilf das Nomminator mit lo gefinden auf des sources pour le Mittleeuropeanen State von Isenburg-Kempenich, voor Artikle miglioramento! Bitte. Uncle G (talk) 19:38, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Whoa, that is, eh, interesting. "My" Google searches blackletter easily enough... Drmies (talk) 03:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Clyde Foster

Hi-Many thanks for starting the Clyde Foster article. I found the Clyde Foster obituary and added it to the article as a citation. You may want to look at it. Again my thanks-RFD (talk) 14:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

  • No, thank you. Through Facebook I found a niece of his and asked her for a photograph, but she has yet to PM me. I wish we had the We Could Not Fail book in our library. Drmies (talk) 14:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Let me rephrase that: this all started because a Facebook friend of mine posted the Undefeated article and pinged Foster's niece; I wrote it up as a tribute to Foster and to my Facebook friend. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:31, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Doktoro, you get paid in units of currency. You do not get paid in units of temperature. You have not got the hang of paid editing at all. Uncle G (talk) 18:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

  • This is true, Uncle--but I did hear from Kelvin's friend today, so we might soon have a photo of Mr. Foster. I am very excited about this; I wish I could shake the man's hand and thank him in person for what he's done for Alabama and for America. Drmies (talk) 20:36, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
    • The photos on this and this page, as works of the federal government, should be public domain. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 20:51, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Done - added the latter photo, the one with him looking at the camera. Better of the two, I think. Geoff | Who, me? 21:30, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
    • I added a link to his oral history interview in the Further reading section. If you'd prefer it in External links, feel free to move it. MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 00:51, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
      • You two are awesome. Thank you so much. Mandarax, I hadn't thought about that: you are absolutely right, of course, and I should have looked for that. Drmies (talk) 00:54, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
        • However, I'm always making trouble. The article says that he served in Korea, which agrees with the listed source: "He left Huntsville for the Korean War right after school"; however, in that oral history interview, Foster says: "I spent two years in the Army. One year in the United States and one year in Germany." MANdARAX  XAЯAbИAM 01:14, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
          • Well, Korea is out then: given the discrepancy between the two sources I have to go with the one closest to him. Thanks for checking! Drmies (talk) 01:17, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

It is spot the difference time. And there are differences.

Also note these:

And the images here, including the AAAM one:

Uncle G (talk) 21:57, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Uncle, is that a joke site filtered through a thesaurus? Drmies (talk) 00:56, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

St. Martin, Lorch

Thank you for the review and the better refs, - I am sorry not to get to it soon, - another person died whose in article is poor, Werner Müller (politician), so that will come first, + RL, see my talk for the evening. The "kostbarstes Kunstwerk des Bistums Limburg" thing about the altar is found several places, but nothing serious so far. Patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

  • All I can find is some personal website. I bet the Oellerman chapter would be very helpful here. I'm thinking of writing up Hans Steinlein, and could use your help when you're done with Muller. Drmies (talk) 13:22, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
    I Looked at Steinlein, fixed a few ill, and have no idea what "in the aisles" may mean. Amazing that he has no German article, only a redirect. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
    Aisle#Church_architecture. Drmies (talk) 15:07, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
    Müller is on the Main page, btw. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:46, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Gerda Arendt, there's those two cn tags on St. Martin that need to be taken care of... Drmies (talk) 15:13, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
    yes, I know, and asked for patience. Today, on top of Müller, had to nominate two DYK (mine and another) last day, no precious several days, no article of today, but a friend's birthday RL ;) - aisles - St. Martin, Lorch, has only one if at all. What I really miss is an entry for that place with a floor plan etc, compare Unionskirche, Idstein. I searched on the denkxweb site, but found nothing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
    I found a floorplan now, church is covered in detail here, floorplan 2 pages up. I found a ref for the 1576 thing (fire and repair, sounds familiar), but not for the 2012 thing. Will look again, hopefully tomorrow, possibly going to giving up. Today's reading: a composer I met last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

So you like Ice cream

  ~ Visitor ~ east of LSU ~
One day I will be in your area ~ and I would like to have (it appears I've been missing out)
~ of some great BBQ ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 15:30, 16 July 2019 (UTC) ~ This was the Last time I got directions in Mobile via I~10 to Corry Station Pensacola ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 16:02, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
And tell Spike I'll be glad to work it out with her/him (from the library). ~mitch~ (talk) 16:28, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Oh, that reminds me of the best American (football) joke ever... Drmies (talk) 16:48, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
did it involve reading road signs billboards and showing up at the game late ~ ? ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 20:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
Punchline ~ Gives me plenty of time

you know... Grrrr ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 15:24, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Spike don't forget to eat your Wheaties Austin,Texas ~mitch~ (talk) 15:38, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Hey Drmies ~ did you know about an edit made here ~ I don't know who would have done such a thing ~ total disrespect ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 02:53, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Lancegate listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Lancegate. Since you had some involvement with the Lancegate redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 22:44, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Locations of Costa Coffee worldwide

Hey there, just wondering in relation to the Costa Coffee page, would you support the inclusion of a table similar to List of countries with IKEA stores as part of the Costa Coffee page, as seen in other retail chains' pages as well? Looking for consensus since I have no interest in an edit war but I do believe this to be valuable information worthy of inclusion. Cheers. SharkyIzrod (talk) 14:47, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) WP:Gazetteer? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:51, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
  • SharkyIzrod, honestly, I don't know what to say. I have big problems with such articles, but they exist so we have to roll with it. The Starbucks article has a map, and I am tempted to scrap that entire list anyway--it's so time-bound, it needs updating, and what really is the point of a precise count? Moreover, all the ones you point at contain these WP:OVERLINK violations, and the IKEA one also violates MOS:FLAG. If you were to remove those links that would be a start already, and if you do that and stick the list back in, that would make me even more of a dick if I revert, so maybe that's something to consider. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:59, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
I've since redone the list as sortable tables (by continent) with I believe no MOS violations (no flags, no overlinking). Hopefully that's agreeable to all. SharkyIzrod (talk) 06:18, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
Much better, SharkyIzrod, thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:09, 18 July 2019 (UTC)


I assume you meant this...   Yunshui  15:07, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Glad to see I'm not the only one whose templates slip thought the fingers and scatter on the floor.  Dlohcierekim (talk) 15:24, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Yunshui, Dlohcierekim (didn't see this until just now), interesting--but hold on. First, the template/block I used also has "or suggests that you do not intend to contribute positively to the encyclopedia"--note the "or". I should have used the template you used, of course, but not because the first was the wrong one, but because the editor had "used [the account] for advertising or promotion". I don't know why I slipped this time, it's possible I had buttery fingers. Thanks for correcting. Drmies (talk) 12:46, 20 July 2019 (UTC)


Maybe I am overly suspicious, but I get a very bad vibe about editor DartsforWindows. His username is the same as his (personal??) website and a darts game. And in most of his edits he is mentioning that website. (S)He denies any wrongdoing at User talk:DartsforWindows, but it still gives me the creeps. Can you (or one of your TPS) take a look at it? The Banner talk 08:42, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Pinged you from over there. Drmies (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Protected List of ABS-CBN drama series

I just want to protect the article of List of ABS-CBN drama series as well as doing the article of List of GMA Network drama series ( thank you. Barneysss (talk) 14:52, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

  • Barneysss, you really have two options--WP:RFPP or WP:RFA. Drmies (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Bbb23, did you find anything exciting? I'm having some doubts about some of the IPs in that history, and about User:AaronXX0306--the socky smell is strong on that one; Oshwah, that account got started a few days after you blocked User:Between Maybes. Maybe you can run your tool and compare? And should we just consider blocking for registered editors until Doomsday? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:35, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I've blocked AaronXX0306 as a sock of Ecadiente362. As you already know, Aaron is not a sock of Between Maybes.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:48, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks Bbb, but don't overestimate my knowledge: I didn't check BM and I don't know how smart some of these people are, whether they move on to some other range after being blocked. But thanks again. What a mess. Drmies (talk) 15:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • My mistake. I looked at so many CU logs I mistakenly thought you had checked BM. Just so you know, Aaron and BM edit from different countries.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

What are the options. I just wanted to protect you in the List of GMA Network drama series in the same way you do the List of ABS-CBN drama series. Barneysss (talk) 15:00, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

  • You can't unless you run for admin. The best thing you can do is a. provide good explanations for reverts in edit summaries and b. report to WP:AIV and to WP:RFPP. Drmies (talk) 15:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Try WP:RFPP because i just want to protect the article of ABS-CBN drama Thank You. Barneysss (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

The Netherlands during the war

I just read a fascinating new book, Dutch Girl: Audrey Hepburn and World War II, which informed me in a major way about the Netherlands during World War II. Amazing stuff! Since the Netherlands was a neutral non-combatant I don't think many Americans etc. have any idea of what happened in that country (even if they've read The Diary of Anne Frank or viewed A Bridge Too Far, both of which obviously miss virtually everything). I had no idea of the deepening nightmare (and the strong resistance and intrigue) that went on in the Netherlands -- particularly in the towns of Arnhem, Velp, and Oosterbeek, which are precisely the towns Hepburn lived in. The book also mentions The Hague, Rotterdam, and Amsterdam, but most of the action takes place in the three towns I mentioned, which coincidentally got the brunt of the misery of the five long years of war.

I highly recommend this book to anybody interested in the Netherlands during World War II. It is a wonderful, personalized, "you are there" recreation.

  • Matzen, Robert (2019). Dutch Girl: Audrey Hepburn and World War II. GoodKnight Books. ISBN 978-1-7322735-3-5.

-- Softlavender (talk) 06:14, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

    • Non-combatant in the first installment, Softlavender. Thanks for the reading tip. I just finished my second reading of The Encyclopedia of the Dead (I need to read a book three times before I remember I read it), and reading Kis is a very different experience if you have a smartphone with Wikipedia access while reading. So the rabbithole also led to pogroms, the White Terror, Siberia, Christian Wirth, and so much more. Drmies (talk) 12:37, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Not a non-combatant.
I'm currently reading this:
Describes many deeply traumatic events. MPS1992 (talk) 12:18, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Interesting--thanks. Not yet in paperback... Drmies (talk) 12:48, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Dutch Girl describes many deeply traumatic events as well.

By the way, The Cut Out Girl can be gotten very cheaply (a couple of bucks) via [1] (prices include shipping). The same will be true of Dutch Girl once it's been out longer (was just published in April). Softlavender (talk) 23:38, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Indeed, The Cut Out Girl has been sold in paperback in Europe for some months now. I could mail one if there is a shortage. I cannot recommend it for raising one's mood, although is it superior in that respect to The German Girl, a book with similar topic related to those saved by Gustav Schröder on MS St. Louis. People involved included Cordell Hull and Frederick Blair. MPS1992 (talk) 00:40, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
That's one thing I liked about Dutch Girl -- although it depicted years of deeply traumatic events, because of the (loose, sometimes) overarching focus on Audrey Hepburn and her extended family and friends and all of their activities, the tone was lightened and the book was good to "curl up with", even during the retelling of the worst of the starvation, executions, and relentless bombing. Softlavender (talk) 01:10, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
Yeah. Really cannot recommend The German Girl, it is relentless unhappiness. The Cut Out Girl supposedly has an uplifting ending, but I have not got there yet and am sceptical anyway. MPS1992 (talk) 01:46, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
The German Girl is a novel though. I think Drmies wants nonfiction/history/biography .... Softlavender (talk) 02:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
You'd think if someone was writing fiction, they could at least try having a happier tone. Although, I suppose Hollywood gets criticized for doing too much of that. Also, the distinction is not quite so clear -- The German Girl has just as many period photos of the supposed protaganists as The Cut-Out Girl. And the latter admits some of its content is slightly more recovered than first-hand. Anyway, one has a Dutch relevance and the other does not. MPS1992 (talk) 03:34, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

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Ugh -- a 40,000-byte self-promotional autobiography

Just noticed this mess: Richard Rappaport. Written by the artist himself or close associate (IP from Pittsburgh). Christ much of it's even written in present tense. Plus 16 of his own paintings. Softlavender (talk) 02:31, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

UPDATE: I AfDed it. Softlavender (talk) 02:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Robert M. Schoch

Can you take a look at this article? IPs are objecting to the focus on fringe in the article and want to remove fringe from the lead and change a few other things. There is also a somewhat difficult to follow discussion about this at WP:BLPN, although in my view there's no reason it can't be held on the article Talk page. I imagine the IPs have a COI with respect to Schoch. In my view, it's a lousy article, but unless it's expanded in some way, I don't see how fringe can be taken out of the lead because at the moment the only issue discussed in the article is Schoch's fringe theory. Anyway, you're an academic (smile), so this should be right up your alley. And, of course, you have Uncle to help (second smile).--Bbb23 (talk) 13:59, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

  • So, I was pressure washing the sun room to prepare for priming and painting, and discovered the hard way that some of the fascia had rotted. So I had to cut that out, and now I have to replace that before I can move on. I cannot tell you how sore my tennis elbow is now. Where is my Uncle in all this? Where are you? Do I have to do EVERYTHING by myself?? Will you all bring food and beers when you come by to jump in my pool? Will Writ Keeper? Drmies (talk) 21:09, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Wait, you seriously want me to look into something involving the Sphinx as "Celestial Guardian of Pre-Pharaonic Civilization"? That 76 IP, that's terrible, the kind of circular logic and tendentious talk that give me a headache. It's like talking to a libertarian. And now they're whining about "fringe" being "bullying" of "minority views", as if science consists of opinion polls, and as if all sides are equal. No thank you Bbb: someone should shut down that discussion. Ha, I read a few pages from The Parapsychology Revolution. It's...something. Drmies (talk) 21:21, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm impressed. You're handy at Wikipedia and you're handy at home? I do some useful work at Wikipedia, but I'm lucky if I can use a screwdriver at home. I can tighten the screws on cupboards when the hinges get loose. I can, with help, string an extension cord from the downstairs to the upstairs when the power goes out (we have an emergency generator but it only supplies electricity to the downstairs). I'm running out of examples of things I can do.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:27, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, if you were over six feet tall I could have used you today. But like my very tall friend (whom I called for help) said, "owning homes is for the birds. Rent!" 00:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)


I heard from a little birdie (you on a talk page) that you are traveling to Nevada in September, wearing new shoes? What city? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

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