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A cup of tea for you too!Edit

  This situation reminds me a lot of something that happened about a year ago. It dragged on for months, with lots of moans and groans from the prolific article creator about how we were all so unkind in deleting his articles when we could have fixed them for him. When he'd irritated enough people, that contributor was eventually banned from creating any new articles. Deb (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Still Hacking AnywaysEdit

Can you PLEASE stop this ridicioulous quest against the Dutch Hacker scene? Deleting pages about our hackerspaces and events. Its like a holy war and it is draining us. You're waging war against a whole community. Why? You're literally destroying our cultural heritage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1C00:1611:BC00:3DB4:E81:9710:FFB0 (talk) 12:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Indeed! I second this motion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flok (talkcontribs) 12:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

each and every one of the individual conferences didn't show sufficient notability to have their own article IMO. I'm merging them together, although one user opposed it, so it's up for consensus gathering right now whether the article should remain stand alone or no Graywalls (talk) 20:40, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for May 2Edit

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The Ivy HotelEdit

Thank you for your comments on the Wikipedia page “The Ivy Hotel”. I originally created this page on Aug. 1, 2015. My primary reason for creating this page was my interest in adaptive reuse projects, of which I considered this to be an interesting example when I learned about the project. I neither work for, nor have any connection with, the Ivy Hotel.

Concerning the issues that “… the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement.: This page appears to be a direct copy from: https://web.archive.org/web/20150624025437/http://www.theivybaltimore.com/about-the-ivy/history-of-the-ivy/ and https://www.theivybaltimore.com/history/…”

I initially researched the history of the buildings that now comprise the Ivy Hotel. I tried to establish the narrative by using a range of sources, including those derived from the Ivy Hotel website at that time. I did try to extensively footnote with each source, including the Ivy Hotel. When I created and further contributed to this page, I developed multiple versions of various sections, and perhaps my final submission didn’t include a proper rewording of the passages, which are of specific concern.

According to the “View history” there have been contributions made by other Wikipedia editors since I initially created the page. These include some important technical additions to the page, such as the addition of a photograph, as well as some other standard technical geographic Wikipedia information.

I would certainly be interested in further researching and revising the particular sections of concern, to bring them in line with Wikipedia Copyright Policy. I hope that this page may continue to be maintained, and that other interested persons may ultimately make further contributions concerning this important subject relating to Baltimore, Maryland.

Thank you.

Archivist Robert

Archivist Robert (talk) 04:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

What connection, if any, do you have with the subject of this article? MER-C 09:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

The Ivy Hotel[edit] I learned of this adaptive reuse project in the media when the Ivy Hotel opened in June 2015. I have no other connection with the subject of this article. Archivist Robert (talk) 16:12, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Such an ostensible copy and paste is only one of multiple concerns with the article. It was just the only one that needed to be addressed immediately. You have also made extensive promotional edits at adaptive reuse related lodging industry article Catskill Game Farm, including this edit Special:Diff/925747883. This is the version before before you started working on it. This was after Graywalls (talk) 16:17, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Gosh, that's block-worthy levels of spam. The claim above is not plausible. MER-C 17:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: King Hussein Bin Talal Convention Centre Managed by HiltonEdit

Hello Graywalls, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of King Hussein Bin Talal Convention Centre Managed by Hilton, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not unambiguously promotional. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. creffett (talk) 17:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Minor editEdit

Hi Graywalls. I added an image on the Raratonga page that I marked as minor but as you brought it to my attention it was not a minor edit. I have since reuploaded the image captioned Te Rua Manga (The Needle) lookout but did not mark it as a minor edit this time. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Georgia mann (talk) 02:20, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Graywalls, I am writing in response to your message that said: "Hi, I'm one of the contributor to the articles." I'm not the director, that is Mary Sherman; I am an unpaid volunteer board member. We didn't use PR firm, it was an author who is now banned from Wikipedia. Thank you for your help! Eventually we will figure this out, I hope. Srcohen614 (talk) 23:18, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Graywalls - you are indeed right that one (or more?) of my minor edits likely didn't fit the criteria, my mistake! I made three minor edits that were pretty much adding a full stop and spacing (just publishing what I wrote then tweaking spacing as a separate edit once I know how it looks), then must've ticked the box on autopilot when I added the dose info for the nasal spray. Anyway if I'm right that it was dose info for either the nasal spray or for cesaerian section in the medical use section for heroin so feel free to critically review that section and I won't take it personally if you change any of it (actually this is my general policy, change and nitpick all you want, but tell me if you want to take it all out). Actually I was wondering if adding dose info is beyond the scope of a wiki on a medication? I know the Equianalgesic#Opioid_equivalency_table table has a lot of specific dosing info for opioids, and some specific opioids have dose info in their wikis. Since diamorphine is a fairly big article I felt that I had some info to add that was already present in the existing citations but wasn't quoted in the text, but perhaps adding more info doesn't help an article per se? Lmk on my page or drop by if you want to discuss it further. (BOBBOBLEYBOBSON (talk) 11:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC))

Thank you for your explanation of minor edits. Many of my edits are adding books to bibliographies, and I wouldn't think that they would be subject to dispute. But, since you cite one of my edits that added a a book as not a minor edit, I will no longer check "This is a minor edit" for them. Maurice Magnus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maurice Magnus (talkcontribs)

Hackaday revertsEdit

You claim on my talk page that I made a "third revert". This is not accurate. First you made a significant cleanup of the page, after that I restored the Hackaday.io part. After that, you removed it again, in my opinion not following WP:DUE correctly. Then I added it only a second time.

In case you're including the revert of the COI template, that has been discussed on the talk page and should not be included.

I'd like to resolve any problems now. What's the exact policy listed in WP:DUE that makes you remove that part? This isn't at all like a "minority viewpoint", it's a significant part in the history of the website. Dwaro (talk) 20:35, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

@Dwaro:, evidence has been presented on your talk page. Graywalls (talk) 21:05, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

AfD for Frances Broaddus-CrutchfieldEdit

FYI. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP:, I wonder if there's a more efficient way of dealing with this. It's unfortunate how resource intensive it is to deal with numerous non-notable articles created by one user. Graywalls (talk) 06:05, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Can't think of one!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:10, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Blocked versus bannedEdit

I see that in this edit you marked AGRMEditor (talk · contribs) as having been banned. I can'f find a record of that - he had a username block, but I find no record of a ban. Am I missing something? If not, you should probably correct the tag that you added. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:45, 23 June 2020 (UTC) @NatGertler:, that is part of the pre-formed template. There's no different settings for it. Graywalls (talk) 21:49, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

You have received a prestigious awardEdit

  The Blondin award of good balance
You have been presented with the exclusive Blondin Award because you kept your cool so well when a promotional editor flung a lot of crap at you recently. The image represents the amazing Charles Blondin carrying Jimbo Wales safely across the Niagara Falls. Bishonen | tålk. 17:59, 29 June 2020‎ (UTC)


Hi! I replied over at COIN regarding Dudva's images. Long story short: two of three example image changes I looked at looked like improvements to me. I don't think they are up to anything nefarious. If anything I think they show a photographer's sort of nerdy interest in better image chrominance and luminance levels. It is very complex to analyze and discuss image COI. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:03, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Made up wordsEdit

In your edit of St. Louis Southwestern Railway you've either made up the term "Cotton Belt System" or transferred that over from a bad source. That term never existed. --SSW9389 (talk) 07:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@SSW9389:, that phrase was already in the article before I even touched it. Graywalls (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)


Hey Graywalls, I'm out of there. It's the same thing every time this comes up. We have an editor who flagrantly goes aginst the consensus against NOT writing about one's own family, and is enabled by editors who don't properly fact-check him. And whenever I point that out, I'm supposedly the bad guy. I've had enough of being disparaged like that. Vexations (talk) 19:01, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vexations:, that's unfortunate. Have you seen the situation with Mitzi.Humphrey edits? I think burning out opposition is one of strategies with people who do these type of articles. Graywalls (talk) 19:21, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Graywalls, OMG yes. If I had to give advice on how to win at CoI editing it would be this: Keep editing; ignore consensus; argue that you're being victimized; use hard-to find references and make them difficult to verify; omit links and page numbers from citations; point out that finding errors in ones edits is "mean"; call people who point out your CoI "disruptive" and accuse them of not assuming good faith (because GF is infinite, you can never run out, you're always entitled to more); make arguments that require extensive rebuttals, then accuse your opponent of "bludgeoning"; when forced to make edit requests, overwhelm the edit page until you find someone who will not check your sources and do your bidding; exhaust them by adding so may errors that they give up, because it is easier to introduce falsehoods in Wikipedia than to identify and fix them. Vexations (talk) 19:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Is it time to take the Henderson edits it to ANI? I have been wondering about this. The net effect of their efforts has been to circumvent the COI guideline.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:58, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
ThatMontrealIP, I don't think that would work, nor for me anyway. I think I was the first one who pointed out that he was writing about his mother, and used some fairly harsh terms to describe her activities. For example, I called his mother's depictions of pacific islanders for a "South Pacific Nite" racist. I also pointed out that Henderson is a collector of art made by a Nazi). I'd be unable to participate in an ANI discussion without becoming the fodder for more attacks on my integrity. Someone could conceivably try to get me banned for pointing out that an editor who is a collector of an artist with a NAZI past has a CoI with that subject. Best to stay as far away from ANI as possible. Vexations (talk) 20:35, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
I think another COI/N or NPOV/N discussion would be a good start. The idea of writing his own essays on his own website only including what he wants, (meaning only things that make him look good) then essentially copying and pasting that and changing copyright on the original to CC-SA-BY transfers COIness directly into Wikipedia and had everyone in COI/N thread knew about the extensive copying and pasting, the responses may have been different. He's been maintaining civility and are not directly editing so... but in my opinion, those articles that are essential mirrors of Henderson legacy websites should not persist on Wikipedia without substantial cleanup even those who turn out to pass WP:GNG. Passing GNG is no excuse for including undue junk like "a boat in which he owned 5/16 ownership was wrecked by someone else and insurance settlement blah blah blah blah blah blah Graywalls (talk) 21:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Also he admits to connecting the dots himself that sources don't directly connect. here Talk:George_W._Blunt_(1856)#Daniel_Westervelt_of_Westervelt_&_Co._shipyard. I seem to recall Lydiaship finding something that failed verification in one of his other articles. When a website created in this manner is released CC-BY-SA and copied over, bias and original research error of the person who wrote the page comes right into Wikipedia. Graywalls (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Deletion at Killings of Aaron Danielson and Michael ReinoehlEdit

Please refrain from deleting neutrally worded, reliably sourced, relevant material from Wikipedia articles, as you did here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl&oldid=prev&diff=977828599 Thank you for your cooperation! Ghostofnemo (talk) 02:02, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the merge helpEdit

Appreciate any help possible at project merge. Merging articles can be fun, but they're a slight bit complicated, so I went ahead and finished the process you started at Compassion & Choices and its talk page for you. If you want, check out User:GenQuest/Merge for a step by step help guide so none of the many steps get missed. Feel free to ask me for clarification on anything, merges included, if needed. Again, Graywalls, thanks and happy editing! Regards, GenQuest "Talk to Me" 06:24, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

September 2020Edit

why did you blank Sacred Heart Pioneers men's ice hockey instead of AfDing it or PROD? { } 08:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

@Jacob Gotts:, I should've been clearer in edit summary, but it wasn't a plain blank. It was a redirect. As you know, you can't go back and edit the edit summary. I re-directed it to Sacred Heart UniversityGraywalls (talk) 08:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. { } 08:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Do you disagree with the redirect? Graywalls (talk) 08:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Nah everything seems fine to me :) { } 09:04, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind welcomeEdit

In over 8 years, you are the first Editor to provide any sort of helpful welcome and I thank you for that. Since you are listening, I want to make a comment, the sort that you probably read all the time. I edit Wikipedia maybe once or twice a year and not because I want to be an editor. I did the editing on the article because it was in such deathly poor condition. The reason that I only edit the article once or twice a year is that one session of editing seems to cause a storm of nationalism and attract a war-like stink that attracts everyone to the article. So, it took me 8 years to SLOWLY make the article bearable even though it is fraught with non-compliancy. Sometimes it was fun editing because I could add good things to other articles where my additions were welcome and didn't start a "holy war". I don't know how anyone is able to stomach such daily Wikipedia Wars... however, I do understand a bit because my only motivation is that EVERY Wikipedia-scrapping site in the world will parrot any INCORRECT information contained therein and people all over the world will believe it to be so when it's not. I'm not long for this world, so people knowing the truth is not as important to me as it used to be. They say truth is like poetry... everyone hates it. What is more interesting to me is the geometry of truth and lies. The truth being the Y axis and the lie being the X axis. All truth and lies are able to be charted on a spherical cartesian coordinate system. Anyway, thank you for your kind welcome message. I might decide to let the article go and let the world fight over the truth, lies and compliancy of it all, without me. (Mini4WD (talk) 14:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC))

@Mini4WD:, you can use your personal sandbox rather than the article itself as your own scratch paper. Original research is forbidden, so if there is something you think you think you know is true and relevant, the best thing would be to put it in your sandbox, then you can go find reliable sources backing it up and once you have the source, you can put it in. If you find something in the article that is not properly sourced (for example, does not have sources, is sourced to forum posts, self published websites, remove it, and make a note in the edit summary why you removed it. The WP:BURDEN falls on people adding or adding back to produce sources directly supporting the inserted claim. If you have respected hobby magazines and like that's not available online(likely common for 70s and 80s periodicals) , you're certainly welcome to use that information too and cite the name, issue, and page number. If you believe existing contents are wrong, but it is properly cited, you're welcome to find another reliable source and share what the other source says along side it. This is explained in WP:VNT. Graywalls (talk) 00:49, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up the MIni 4WD articleEdit

Hello, this is Yuuyatails.

I noticed that you had cleaned up the Mini 4WD article. That article was filled with a lot of unreliable sources and false information prior to the clean-up. The reason why it hasn't been clean-up is that the Mini4WD guy had shown some hostile attitude toward other contributors who tries to clean-up the article or tries to talk him out.

I want to say, thank you. Yuuyatails (talk) 06:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Yuuyatails:, still though, its looking a bit too much like Tamiya fan POV. I don't think we need product releases of specific models. It's a general encyclopedia after all. Contents should be discussed on the article's page.. so edit warring can be avoided between all parties. Graywalls (talk) 08:05, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

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Lake Oswego, OregonEdit

U.S. articles use WP:USCITIES, where the "notable people" criteria is different. Cheers. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:56, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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Hi I just noticed your edit summary at Dutch squatting ban, which is a weird coincidence because I also edited several hours ago to add the 2020 events. The summary was as follows debris removal. see WP:RSP about the use of the disreputable source Indymedia. Also removing squat.net self published clutter, as well as n-1.cc stuff.. First off and as previously mentioned, I don't find terms like debris, disreputable, clutter helpful, it just seems to foster a battleground atmosphere. Secondly and more importantly, where is the RSP consensus on Indymedia? Because I am not seeing it and I dn't think there is one. With self-published sources, I would argue that context is everything. I'll take a look at the edit in more detail now. Mujinga (talk) 14:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mujinga:, Looking through pages that are connected, linked. I do that. Please see "Independent Media Center (Indymedia, IMC)

The Independent Media Center is an open publishing network. Editors express low confidence in Indymedia's reputation for fact-checking, and consider Indymedia a self-published source." about halfway down WP:RSP. Graywalls (talk) 18:19, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Great thanks for the information, I can better understand your position now. I was going through the RSP archives and didn't see any consensus, so I will take that further. I'll be sure to keep you updated! Mujinga (talk) 10:21, 4 October 2020 (UTC)


Hi Graywalls,

I saw your work on articles related to anarchism and wanted to say hello, as I work in the topic area too. If you haven't already, you might want to watch our noticeboard for Wikipedia's coverage of anarchism, which is a great place to ask questions, collaborate, discuss style/structure precedent, and stay informed about content related to anarchism. Take a look for yourself!

And if you're looking for other juicy places to edit, consider expanding a stub, adopting a cleanup category, or participating in one of our current formal discussions.

Feel free to say hi on my talk page and let me know if these links were helpful (or at least interesting). Hope to see you around. czar 07:26, 6 October 2020 (UTC)


You deleted text ref'd by this. It looks to me like a legit source. Please explain. --Cornellier (talk) 12:27, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

@Cornellier:, The source does look legit, but the way it's written, it wasn't quite clear if it was directly supporting what the wiki article said, which is "Staysails can also be hoisted between the top of the mizzen mast and base of the mainmast to help downwind performance". I put the contested content back in. Please see if you find the source directly supporting what it is saying. Secondly, the ASA article says "Like cutter rigs, ketch advocates also sing praises for its characteristics in heavier winds." This is an opinion statement. I wouldn't say it's a factual statement of "has an advantage". Graywalls (talk) 12:42, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, gave it a bit of a copyedit and added a new link. Not sure if this is encapsulated in WP policy, but I think generally "blogs" have become more acceptable as refs. Once they were considered "self published" diaries, but nowadays there is a blurring of the distinction between a blog article and a magazine article, depending on the authority of the writer. --Cornellier (talk) 13:40, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
@Cornellier:, it can be hard to distinguish. The practical-sailor's that particular article looks like it is alright since it says he's the editor rather than a user submitted contribution. You may find the explanations listed under WP:FORBESCON, as well as WP:BLOG Either way, how do these sources directly arrive to your factual conclusion "that it is less efficient than a sloop when sailing to windward."? I'm seeing "they say", "critics" and opinions that can't be presented as facts. Graywalls (talk) 13:59, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
Uh, OK, I don't have time for this right now, so i'll just revert my work. But as far as opinions and facts are concerned you might as well delete everything that isn't ref'd by merriam-webster.com, dictionary.com, and the National Museum of American History since at the end of the day they're all just the writers' opinions. --Cornellier (talk) 14:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

RDA and RDBEdit

I share your concern about promotional materials getting into wikipedia, and appreciate the time you take to identify and remove such materials.

I use ceramic tweezers for working on tiny electronic parts. Ceramic tweezers are hard, precise, non-conductive, and don't wear. I have been using ceramic tweezers long before there was any such thing as vaping.

After breaking a few tweezers, I began to look for replacements. Many of the vendors stated that their product was suitable for RDA, RDB, or similar. For example: [1]. I did not know what RDA or RDB might stand for, but I wanted to learn.

I spent several hours searching for the meaning of these acronyms, until I came upon the Construction of electronic cigarettes article in wikipedia, where they were defined. I thought I would save other readers the same frustration, by adding the initialisms to disambiguation pages. Had theses initialisms originally been on disambiguation pages, I would found them immediately.

Despite my personal preference not to use chemicals for recreational purposes, I think wikipedia readers deserved to know what the initialisms mean. I have reviewed the MOS:DAB page, the initialisms I entered seem to meet the all the requirements. Perhaps you have more experience in this area, and you can tell me where else to look. I am always trying to learn more about wikipedia policies.

Thanks for your work to improve wikipedia. Comfr (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

My concern is that it's too many for a three letter abbreviations for something so obscure and specific like MOD - microwave oven fan, MSW for mouse scroll wheel and such. That whole E-cig article is a huge mess btw. Graywalls (talk) 22:46, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
I agree. We live in a world of three letter acronyms, especially in the space industry, where everything has an acronym. Fortunately, wikipedia disambiguation pages have helped me navigate through the sea of acronyms. Understandably, disambiguation pages will lose their value if they become clogged seldom-used acronyms.
Fortunately a filter is applied by MOS:DABENTRY, which requires "exactly one navigable (blue) link to efficiently guide readers to the most relevant article for that use of the ambiguous term." The terms RDA and RDB followed that rule, and are defined in the E-cig article. However, neither MOD nor MSW appear in the articles microwave oven or mouse scroll wheel.
Can you think of other objective ways to filter the contents of disambiguation pages? Would you consider updating the MOS page? Comfr (talk) 19:51, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
Defined in the ecig article, but who defined it? Do reliable sources use it? I'm only seeing vendor pages. Graywalls (talk) 21:15, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
You bring up a good point. Thanks. At least one of the references is a trade journal that uses both RBA and RDA. I assume they have editorial control. There also are many more references in the article to vendor pages. I would like a reference to NYT or WSJ, but no such thing in this article. I found archived versions of two references, and added them to the article. The more time I spend on this article, the more repulsive vaping seems. But that is only my personal opinion. Comfr (talk) 02:43, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Journals such as and would you actually suggest our disambig lists be populated with every abbreviations we can find in PMID articles like this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2902006/, biology, chemistry, or internal transmission parts abbreviation SAE journals can come up with? I just feel that you're talking about such obscure things that it doesn't really merit it. The page on the construction of ecigs definitely needs to have vendor-page based contents substantially trimmed out. Also, after looking at several disambig, the ones I've looked at so far only go as far as the main page of the article, not into sections, but I've only looked at a few. https://www.matec-conferences.org/articles/matecconf/pdf/2018/66/matecconf_icmmpm2018_03025.pdf Here, you'll see the surface material used on clutch plates called "clutch friction material" and abbreviated CFM. Well, I'm not totally convinced creating a disamig for CFM to Clutch#Materials or creating disambig for SM to Manual_transmission#Synchromesh would be appropraite even though I can find such usage https://books.google.com/books?id=hKlfEB8tkcAC&pg=PA738 Graywalls (talk) 19:09, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
I responded only to your reasonable concern about who defined the acronym. You have demonstrated that reliable sources use many acronyms that might overwhelm our disambiguation pages. We are still left with no objective criteria for deciding which acronyms are eligible for disambiguation. Comfr (talk) 21:14, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
I have found at least 7 trade journals references that define RBA and/or RDA. There are many more, if you include referenced vendor pages. Outside wikipedia, I see literally hundreds of examples, such as the Amazon page. It seems to meet all the requirements of MOS:DABENTRY. Comfr (talk) 19:00, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

A look to a draftEdit

Hi @Graywalls:! Recently I've been working on the draft of a biography and I think it's ready to be moved to the principal article, but it don't seems well to me to do it myself, so I requested someone else to do the job. I saw that you have contributed with some biographies, would you mind to give a look to the draft in which I've been working? Yo can foun it here: Draft:Leo_J._Trese. Thanks in advance! Clementeste(Talk) 16:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Your edit in HGOEdit

Hi Graywalls! You edited the HGO article lead to read "its objectives are educate the public education in the art and science of music,...." Could I ask you to adjust that to, say "to advance public education in the art and science of muisc...", so as to be gramatically correct and to avoid replication of 'education'.? Thanks, --Smerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)


Why are railfans unreliable sources?? -- (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Edit Request on Concord Law SchoolEdit

Hi Graywalls. I put together a response to your query on my requested edit on Concord Law School. Would you take a look and revise? The edit to Concord's accreditation status made by user TJRC, which is currently live, is incorrect and misleading. Please review the source material I provide in my reply on the Talk page. Thanks. Ewqwdqemdh (talk) 16:32, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Bottle Bill edit unclearEdit

Hi Graywalls, I just noticed an edit you made in the last few hours is confusing. This change appears to contain a typo: "disbursed $19.08 million in 2018 and $17.05 in $17.05 to distributor members". Would you mind clarifying or correcting? Thanks, —EncMstr (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

@EncMstr:, thank you for pointing this out. That version should have never made it into the article. Do you find it clear now? Graywalls (talk) 19:37, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
Much better! Thanks! —EncMstr (talk) 20:38, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, how do you feel about helping tackle the issues with Fifth Column (band)? The entire article is almost completely unsourced and like G. B. Jones, there appears to be COI in connection with User:Intheshadows and their recent IPs. On the COI issue, digging through the histories of all the articles connected with this user, there are IP edits in a similar pattern going back to 2004-2005. I'm also unsure as to whether the other two band members, Caroline Azar and Beverly Breckenridge, meet notability requirements. Possibly the former, but the latter seems doubtful. Mansheimer (talk) 14:37, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't object to deleting it, although it can be time consuming to do the background research to start the AfD. Graywalls (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC) @Mansheimer: Graywalls (talk) 23:03, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
The band is I assume sufficiently notable for inclusion, though given the wall of unsourced text in the current version, an AfD might be a good idea since it could help get other editors interested in tracking down reliable sources, if any exist, should it survive the process. Either way, the current article is a badly written mess and most of it probably needs to be rewritten anyway due to the COI, which has obviously been a problem going back many years (all the IPs that contributed the most text can be geolocated to Toronto) and no one appears to have bothered bringing up the COI issue until you did. I've done a general search for sources and there are a few articles that pop up (there's a film review of a documentary about the band from The Quietus, for instance [2]), but I'm not sure any of them meet the standards of WP:RS/WP:V. What do you think? Mansheimer (talk) 17:26, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Deleting all the railroad materialEdit

The diesel shop is reliable as it is souced from GE rosters so stop removing it, as well as Utah Rails no it is not fan cruft it's about trains why shouldn't it be there because the people going to the article are expecting trains and the utah rails site the man who made it worked with the Union Pacific Historical Society so stop removing it also stop deleting all the railfan stuff i see you think that you found a gold mine of fancruft but it is not it is information so stop with the crusade against railfan "fancruft" -- (talk) 23:52, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Undisclosed payEdit

I noticed you added {Undisclosed paid} tag for User:Achagerty on the page Ellerbe Becket. Was just wondering how you found out.Eccekevin (talk) 17:45, 29 January 2021 (UTC) @Eccekevin:, per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Undisclosed_paid , these templates can be placed when article appears to have been UPE. The edit history of that user is quite indicative of UPE. Graywalls (talk) 21:35, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Don't understandEdit

Hi. I don't understand why you deleted my edit to "List of books about anarchism." I also don't understand Wiki-speak. For reference:

Revision as of 15:03, 3 February 2021 (edit) NorsemanII (talk | contribs) (Reverting edit by User:Graywalls - links to the full text are useful, do not repeat this edit without discussion on talk page. Reverted edit by User:Eliswinterabend, unable to find an appropriate reference regarding your addition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eliswinterabend (talkcontribs) 16:31, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Updates for ADM articleEdit

Hello! David here with Archer-Daniels-Midland Company. You've helped me with several requests at Talk:ADM (company) to update basic product information. There are currently two outstanding requests:

For the vanilla request, you'll see I've shared additional sources as you requested. Do you have a moment to take another look and update the article? Thanks again! ADM DavidW (talk) 22:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Hello again! Thanks for your recent improvement to the ADM article. I submitted a (seemingly uncontroversial) request here to add mention of flour milling, but the discussion shifted to a larger (and legitimate, I think) one about how products and services should be displayed. I've tried to get User:CorporateM to revisit the discussion twice, but I've seen no replies or updates to the article. I was curious if you had any thoughts; at minimum, I am hoping you might be able to respond to the original flour mill request before that gets lost in the shuffle. I'm trying to balance addressing material gaps and inaccuracies in the article with not being pushy or overstepping. Thanks in advance for any additional help or feedback. 23:11, 4 March 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ADM DavidW (talkcontribs)

A7 on Advanced Technology College MekelleEdit

Hi Graywalls -- I've declined the above as educational institutions are exempt from A7. Regards, Espresso Addict (talk) 02:37, 14 February 2021 (UTC)


hi Graywalls. I undid your close of the discussion at COIN. You are very involved it that one. Wait for someone else to close it. Possibly (talk) 16:15, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Acceptable Sources on Hardcore punk pageEdit

Are these ones acceptable? If not please feel free to remove them from the article- [3][4][5]Hoponpop69 (talk) 22:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

@Hoponpop69:, no they are not. Please read WP:RS, WP:SPS and WP:BLOG. Graywalls (talk) 04:31, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
correction. Those two wordpress blogs definitely are not reliable. I don't know enough about noecho.net to comment on the reliability and the way in which parts or all of links within their site could be used as sources for Wikipedia. Graywalls (talk) 05:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


Hello Graywalls, about your possible undisclosed paid tag on the Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine page, I wish to clarify that I was not paid when employed by Mr. Nechvatal between the years 2008-2011 for my Wikipedia work on that moribund non-profit project, or on any other Wikipedia pages. Though co-founded by Mr. Nechvatal, Tellus was (and remains) a Harvestworks non-profit project. Since 2008, I have chosen to volunteer my time and expertise in the period of the 1980s New York art/music world for free for Wikipedia after engaging with that historical period when preparing the Nechvatal archive that was donated for free to The Fales Library Special Collections [[6]]. I left that activity ten years ago. Perhaps this past experience may mean I am a connected contributor concerning the Tellus page. I don't know. If so, I will stay away from it. But I remain an objective and active unpaid volunteer for Wikipedia in that period of art/music history. I believe my 13 year extensive editing record here displays that. Would you please remove the tag. Valueyou (talk) 10:15, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

@Valueyou:, the edits by Valueyou isn't the only issue with that article. It has been extensively edited by clearly connected, organizational role named accounts like Tellus archivist and much of these for-consideration (volunteer credit, non-$$ consideration, whatever) advocacy edits remain. Even if your account was the only editor of concern, I'm not convinced simply stating "was not paid" is a justifiable cause to remove the paid editing tag as every suspected paid editor would simply say the magic word to have the template removed. The article needs massive clean up. I can only see the tag going down after that has happened. With the tag in place, someone else will notice it and do the clean up. When that's done, then, someone else can remove it. Graywalls (talk) 10:24, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
@Graywalls: I agree that like many Wikipedia pages it had a rocky start. Looking forward to your massive clean up. Valueyou (talk) 10:29, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
@Valueyou:, By someone else, I should emphasize that it means someone who do not have conflict of interest on this subject. It wasn't appropriate for you, someone deeply involved on this subject to untag a COI related template on something you're so deeply involved in. If you were wondering how I came upon this article, it went form Colab, to Joseph Nechvatal, then branched from there. Graywalls (talk) 10:42, 21 March 2021 (UTC)
@Graywalls: Don't take it personally. Thanks for the lecture, but I have been editing here a lot longer than you and I tend to Wikipedia:Be bold in my edits. I removed the tag because you refused to do so and to get on the record that aspersions were being cast in my direction by you there. I like to solve problems and create the value of pages at Wikipedia, not just police and tag and slice them. If you would have looked at the (perhaps misleadingly named) id page of Tellus_archivist, you would have seen that that person identifies as Continuo, a music blogger, who has no direct connection with Tellus and certainly was not paid for creating the page of a moribund non-profit (thus no conflict of interest on the subject - but rather generous service to both Tellus and Wikipedia). You can check that out at [7] where it states that the Tellus Ubuweb archive was edited by Steve McLaughlin in conjuction with Continuo's weblog [8] long after Tellus ceased production. So I ask you politely to remove the tag you placed on the Tellus Audio Cassette Magazine and save me and other Wikipedia editors the time and energy to fix what you have done behind you, because I do not agree with your statement that "with the tag in place, someone else will notice it and do the clean up". Please cooperate with me on this and remove that and other tags you casually applied that refer to bad starts of pages long ago settled by the Wikipedia community. I have been editing here for around 13 years out of a desire to improve Wikipedia in the art and music areas, and I know that we must respect each other. I respect you and I ask the same from you. Thank you. Valueyou (talk) 14:12, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


Hi Graywalls!

I understand your concerns and I responded on the COI notice board. Feel free to ask me any questions directly.

OceanicFeeling123 (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Greywalls: I am rolling back your ADL-related edits until there is a community consensus regarding them. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
If sand when the community decides that your concerns are justified to the extent that the ADL-related material you removed (without discussion) from numerous article was in appropriately added, you can restore the material, but until then please do not do so. Respect WP:BRD and let the discussion you have started reach a consensus. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:22, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
@Beyond My Ken:, Please read WP:ONUS. When challenged contents are removed, those wishing to add back in must establish consensus. The matter of ADL and their meat puppets are currently being debated at COI/N. Please do not restore until consensus to restore the edits by COI puppets have been established. Graywalls (talk) 01:43, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
The material you removed was sourced. The source has been discussed and has been determined to be reliable. Your removal of that material were BOLD edits, which I have REVERTED. Now the article stays as it was, in the status quo ante, while the issue is being discussion. Please do not restore the material, you will be edit warring if you do. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:48, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Read what WP:ONUS says. It is up to YOU, the one wishing to restore contents to obtain consensus. Graywalls (talk) 01:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
I see that you have decided not to follow BRD. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
@Beyond My Ken:, This matter is currently discussed at COI/N. You systematically reverted every change and re-inserted the contents without establishing contents. In one of the edit summary, you asked for proof ADL is spamming the sources. The discussion at COI/N more than shows that, although perhaps you were unaware of the discussion when you reverted every one of my removal. Please don't jump the gun and re-insert the contents that's being discussed, following WP:ONUS. I pinged you there so you can find the section. I suggest you voice your comments there if you're interested in having a part in that discussion. Graywalls (talk) 02:00, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
The existence of that discussion, which you properly started, is exactly why you should not have retored your edits when you did, since you are pre-empting a consensus discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Re speedy-delete for The Lab (organization)Edit

Hi! In case you didn't see it, User_talk:Seraphimblade#Move_"The_Lab_(organization)"_to_draft_space? may be of interest - I asked for draft-ification of an article you tagged for speedy deletion, because there are substantial secondary sources available and also at least one person interested in improving the article (me), and it's now back in action as an article. I encourage caution with tagging articles about long-running community non-profit organizations as spam, instead using prod or even AfD. Thank you. Dreamyshade (talk) 22:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dreamyshade:, I appreciate sharing your thoughts, but I don't believe the nomination was improper. I agree with the other two commentators on that matter. CSD requests are reviewed by an admin so if something is unduly nominated, it would be declined. There was nothing but fluff in the whole edit history. If the organization passes GNG, there's no prejudice against re-creation. Thank you, Graywalls (talk) 08:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!Edit

  The Original Barnstar
Hi Graywalls! Thanks for the message regarding the specificity of a 'minor edit'. I'm new to (editing) Wikipedia. I'll read through the docs before making any more changes. Cheers! LantonMills (talk) 00:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Would you have a look at this articleEdit

Hello Graywalls, I'm wondering if you would have a look at this article: George Faunce Whitcomb, I cannot figure out how this person is notable. It was created by a known COI editor who writes about his family who is asking the COI tag to be removed. I've been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt however this article seems questionable to me. You have more experience than I on COI cases, so I am hoping you find a moment to review it and look over the comments on the talk page. Thanks in advance. Netherzone (talk) 21:34, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@Netherzone:, Oh.. that editor. This article's kind of a tough one, because some of the cited sources are not readily available for inspection from anyone's computer. While you're probably right, it's premature to come to a conclusion. Graywalls (talk) 07:53, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Luke Hughes (furniture designer) page - reverting of changesEdit

Greetings. I recently noticed that you reverted my clean-up of the Luke Hughes (furniture designer) page by reimplementing the template messages. You had commented that it did not meet WP:WTRMT. I've studied the guidelines closely here and can see that it does meet the requirements to remove the template messages. Please can you expand as to why you do not believe that it does? I've tried to assist here by responding to a message on the article's Talk page. LAficionado (talk) 01:06, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

April 2021Edit

  You currently appear to be engaged in an [WP:Edit warring|edit war]] according to the reverts you have made on [[:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Nechvatal&oldid=prev&diff=1019842924&diffmode=source]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

  1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
  2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Vexations (talk) 18:53, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Vexations:, you're directly involved in this content dispute. Your allegation is blown out of proportion. My edits are nowhere near 3RR, or even gaming 3RR. The contents were removed initially, because it didn't have any citation, which is unquestionably allowed by WP:V, but you put it back on as "citation needed" anyways. Although citations were provided, I didn't believe it was due. Per WP:ONUS, the burden to establish consensus falls on those wishing to INCLUDE the contents. Graywalls (talk) 19:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
Graywalls, The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly, but it is not a definition of "edit warring", and it is perfectly possible to engage in an edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so. Vexations (talk) 19:29, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
@Vexations:, then where do you get the that your one reversion is any different? you're directly involved in this. it should have been left to a non-invovled referee to make the suggestion/judgment that a edit warring is taking place, not you. Graywalls (talk) 19:35, 25 April 2021 (UTC)


Hi Graywalls. I noticed your reverts on Collins and Milazzo exhibitions. There were three big ones in the space of a couple days. The thing is, they are a little bit disruptive. Vexations was working on sourcing the list, albeit slowly. Vexations is a long-standing respected editor. You can't cut him some slack? If you could cut the regulars a little more slack, that would be great. I'm working on adding the sources for the shows. I would advise against reverting additions to the Collins and Milazzo exhibitions page, in the near future. Thanks. --- Possibly (talk) 02:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly:, perhaps it could be draftified? I believe the contents should have waited until sources are added, rather than added back in unsourced, and sources added over a long period. Perhaps there could be a compromise? Things being added without citations and adding citations later is not a practice that should be encouraged. Graywalls (talk) 02:59, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
There's no need to draftify, I am sourcing it as we speak. They are clearly notable and the article contains no unsourced material. You should chill a bit, have some faith in your colleagues.--- Possibly (talk) 03:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

removal of unsourced sectionsEdit

You seem to have trouble finding sources for visual arts related articles, as with Peter Halley. I seem to be able to find sources for pretty much anything you delete. Next time you find something that is not correctly sourced, just send me a ping: "Hey Vexations, I can't find a source for this claim, can you help?" I most likely can. All the best, Vexations (talk) 21:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)


See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#VisualEditor_duplicating_named_citations. When you edit using the Visual Editor, it is expanding every named-ref call with the full ref definition, causing ref errors. I fixed it on Salvation Mountain, just wanted to make you aware of it. Schazjmd (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

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