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The June 2019 Signpost is out!Edit


I have just read at User talk:Katherine (WMF) the message written by Guettarda, but copied to that page by you. It says things which for years I have been convinced are obviously true, but which in my experience most people don't see at all. Thanks for attempting to pass on an understanding of those important points. (Whether the attempt succeeds or not is another matter.) JamesBWatson (talk) 13:28, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

@JamesBWatson: Well, I think more thanks due to Guettarda, for putting it so well. But hopefully, that helps to get across why they're seeing such an uproar over what they've done. Katherine has seemed willing to engage (and, as some folks brought up at the discussion, the seriousness of the situation may have been getting lost as it got passed up the chain at WMF, until she started to hear directly from a bunch of people), so hopefully that works to bring some clarity. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:58, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I hope so too. And of course you are right that most of the thanks are due to Guettarda, but thanks are also due to you for your action in bringing it directly to Katherine's attention, rather than relying on her to notice it amidst the vast walls of text that have been posted about this. And finally, I agree with you about Guettarda "putting it so well": she or he expressed it more clearly than I think I would have done. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:34, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Yes, definitely, thanks for putting on Katherine Maher's page. I was thinking about turning it into an email, as someone suggested on the FRAMBAN page, but this was a much better idea. Guettarda (talk) 17:44, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

More thanksEdit

I know there has been a lot of raised temperature during the ongoing Fram saga, but I feel like I owe it to you to thank you for the leadership that you have provided during those discussions. I really do appreciate it. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:02, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


Hi there,

You deleted the page for Staysure on 28th June, due to 'advertising.' The page includes citations, examples and sources and is not advertising the brand. Instead, it aims to be factual and everything stated is according to facts alone. If you could explain in what way the page's content is subjective or 'advertising', that would be appreciated.

Thank you.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JellyYo (talkcontribs) 09:22, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

JellyYo, as the page was removed as promotional and shows hallmarks of paid work, please first clarify whether you are being paid or compensated to edit this subject, including being asked or expected to edit as a duty of employment or internship. If so, you will need to make the required disclosures before we continue. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:21, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. How do I make a disclosure if the page has been deleted? I do need to disclose and didn't realise I needed to do that, my mistake. If you could point me in the right direction with this, and hopefully retrieve the page back once I've disclosed this, that would be brilliant. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JellyYo (talkcontribs) 15:30, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

JellyYo, the disclosure is made on your user page, not the article itself. The instructions for how to do so are at WP:PAID. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:36, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I've now added the disclosure to my talk page. Does this mean that Staysure's article page will now be reinstated? Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JellyYo (talkcontribs) 15:51, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

JellyYo Well, you've been straightforward with me, and it's not the worst I've seen, so I'll restore it as a draft, as it looks like Staysure itself might actually be notable. Please keep a few things in mind. First, since the conflict of interest exists, we editors in that situation should not create or edit articles in the main encyclopedia (including making ten edits and waiting four days to duck around the autoconfirmed requirement). Instead, the article should be created and edited as a draft, at Draft:Staysure (in this case I'll do that shortly with the material that was deleted). Once you believe the article is ready, you can have it reviewed by a disinterested editor (I'll put a template on the article that you can just click a button on to request the review). If they approve it, they'll take care of moving it to the encyclopedia; otherwise they'll let you know of any issues. Secondly, we're generally looking for information from reliable sources. It's not particularly appropriate to include an entire section about a company's advertising campaign based just upon promotional material from the ad agencies. While occasionally ad campaigns become extensively noted by disinterested sources (take Where's the beef? or the GEICO ad campaigns as examples), that's an exception rather than the rule, and we normally wouldn't have any material recapping ads or promoting the ad companies. That was the primary issue with the article. Finally, sources like "Builtvisible" or "Founded" should be avoided; we would be looking for sources that don't have an interest in promoting the company. Seraphimblade Talk to me 17:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Books & Bytes Issue 34, May – June 2019Edit

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