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Please stop AfD nominations

Just passing by to leave a suggestion for you not to nominate any more articles for deletion until you understand the process. There are many ways to learn about it, for example WP:BEFORE. I see that you have nominated two articles for AfD. The first one was withdrawn, and the recently nominated Syed Thajudeen is headed in the same direction after I found and added nine references. Sit back, !vote, watch and learn before doing anymore nominations.104.163.148.25 (talk) 03:25, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Please stop AfD nominations

Just passing by as well to suggest you to stop nominating Syed Thajudeen for deletion and continuously removing parts of the article. It is definitely not plagiarized. If you have any questions or suggestions, please notify me before editing the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Syedfazal (talk • contribs) 07:17, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

• It was not me who removed parts of the article. It was another user. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 18:54, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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Rapsittie Street Kids: Believe in Santa

Rapsittie Street Kids: Believe in Santa has already been sent to articles for deletion, so it's ineligible for a PROD. Can you please remove the PROD and send it to Articles for Deletion instead? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:07, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

• @TenPoundHammer: Done. I apologise for not being aware of this policy. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 01:01, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

Thanks for for your advice on Ideal Protein, I hadn't realised I had used both templates on the article. I have removed the PROD and kept the Afd. Bottletoppen (talk) 15:16, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

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Hello moaz

Actually barelvi movement is the another name of ahlesunnat wal jamaat in south asia followed by the major sect of islam .it doesn't mean that barelvi is whole ahlesunnat wal jamaat. it is needed to create a universal platform for ahle sunnat wal jamaat to make aware of the world about most following sect in islam because Ahmed al tayyeb grand mufti of Egypt ;Hamza yusyfAmericanal baiyyAh habib al a jifri follows the idealogy; Of ahlesunnat wal jamaat not barelvi sect Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah (talk) 12:16, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

And many other scholars dont even know the names barelvi across the world Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah (talk) 12:18, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

All are invited to edit on this platform regarding ahle sunnat wal jamaat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&title=Draft:Ahlesunnat_wal_Jamaat&create=Create+new+article+draft#/editor/2 Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah (talk) 12:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Salam Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah. It seems to me that the issue here is that "Ahl us-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah" (or however we choose to spell it) has several different meanings, including (but not limited to):

• the school of thought followed by most Muslims, which is what you seem to be describing here
• the Barelvi movement, which you mention in your draft

On Wikipedia, when we have such cases of one term having several different meanings, we create what is known as a disambiguation page. As you can see at Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah, there already exists such a page under this name, with the relevant articles listed.

Feel free to ask any further questions that you may have. Moaz786 (talk to me or see what I've been doing) 17:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Walaikum Try to understand moaz there is no such article on Wikipedia on the ahlesunnat wal jamaat which is the major sect of sunni islam which follows the traditional islam. followed by all madhabs such as malki hanbali and hanafi and shafii which has the opposition to salafi movement (world wide,deobandi movement ,ahle hadith movement (india) Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah (talk) 08:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

There is no such article on Wikipedia which shows the current scholar of that movement , institution, population, religious practices such as mawlid celebration ,veneration of saints,hazir o nazir,for prophet and noor ul Bashar for prophet Muhammad sallallahualaihiwasallam, followed by scholars of not only Barelvi movement of india but majority of scholars world wide example:scholars of dar al mustaf yemen al azhar University Egypt arabian scholar bi bayyah,habib ali al jifri Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah (talk) 08:36, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Also by traditional sunni Muslims organisation of America led by hamza Yusuf and also majority of scholars of Africa follows this ideology Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah (talk) 10:41, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

You have given me linked to sunni islam which includes traditional sunni that is ahle sunnat wal jamaat salafi tabligee deobandi so there must be separate page for the majority of muslim opposing wahabi movement Khadim ahlesunnah waljamaah (talk) 10:44, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

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Proposed new article

I realise that the article I deleted wasn't one you'd created. There was a user who had tried several times to create one on the publishing firm, and it looked like, when his attempts kept being deleted as promotional (by others before me), he sneaked the same content into the article on Umera Ahmed/Ahmad, so it was difficult to separate them. But I've looked again at the article and I really think the whole thing is so promotional that it would be better for someone impartial to start again. Deb (talk) 07:42, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

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How many edit can qualify a person to welcome to wikipedia Tbiw (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Tbiw, I think that users should not be welcomed before enough edits have been made to know that they are here for the right reasons; if you really want to put a number to it, I would say no fewer than ten edits. Best, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 15:58, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks man. Tbiw (talk) 16:15, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

So 10-11 is qualified Tbiw (talk) 16:17, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, Tbiw, I would say so. Make sure to check, however, that the edits are constructive; we don't want to be welcoming vandals, for example! M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay I will be carefully and watchful of that thanks. Tbiw (talk) 16:26, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Not a problem, Tbiw. Best, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:29, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

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Sorry and Request

Hello, sorry for earlier aggresive behaviour but actually if you are adding handsome amount of info to articles then you become attached to that articles and my case was same at the time of reverting (saying this as i am regularly fighting vandalism on Qamar's page and others), currently i have no problem of urdu additions but only one question is that is it necessary to add Urdu to the articles which actually belongs to actors and films watched or followed by worldwide like i just removed Urdu from Saba Qamar as she is film actress not only in Pakistan but her fans are worldwide and i have not seen any Hindi translation in Indian film or film actress articles. My concern is that addition of Urdu is best for television related articles but for film we can go without adding it and it want affect its popularity or some thing like that :) . 221.132.118.175 (talk) 16:11, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi. I understand your point, but I feel like it's inconsistent with what we do across Wikipedia in general... Take Babar Azam, for example. I'm sure his fan-base extends well beyond Pakistan, but we still have his Urdu name in the lede, because it's relevant information that could prove useful to someone looking for it. If I want to know how "Moscow" is spelled in Russian, I'll visit the Moscow article; if I want to know how "Mohammed bin Salman" is spelled in Arabic, I'll visit the Mohammed bin Salman article; you get the idea.

As for Hindi names in Indian articles, I think that is quite obviously due to MOS:INDICSCRIPT (which you have cited in the past, albeit erroneously :-) )...

If you really want, we can have a centralised discussion somewhere like WT:WikiProject Pakistan, although I will note that there already seems to be a consensus at WP:URDUSCRIPT that having the Urdu name is fine. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 23:13, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

I can definitely understand your point about becoming attached to articles where you've reverted vandalism; I recently removed some BLP violations at Ahad Raza Mir and ended up facing some nasty verbal abuse for it, so now whenever I receive a notification that someone has edited that article, I start to panic inside, hoping that it's not the same editor. But it's important to note that nobody owns articles here; we are best served by working together on articles in a friendly fashion, rather than treating them as battlegrounds.

I'll give you another example. I expanded the Jalan article yesterday, and this morning I saw that another user had modified that section quite a bit. While I was a bit annoyed at first, I then calmed down and recognised that that user is trying to improve the article just as I am; we both share the common goal of having a high-quality article in the end, and therefore we are best off treating one another as colleagues, rather than pretending that parts of the article that we have written "belong" to us and may not be edited by anyone else.

Hope that helps, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 23:26, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

You are right that sometime we being emotionally attached to articles, does'nt want it to be edited by others. But thats not the all thing which occured that time, actually i appreciate expansion of articles by senior users because Pakistani articles need serious improvement and expansions and when i saw your Urdu additions repeatedly, i just thought that person should be more creative in addition to this repeated additions and work more for the improvement etc for example: I have expanded Haroon Shahid BLP earlier and you added Urdu to his page, but that will be more great if you had seen vandalism which was occured just before your edit [1]. Any ways, That was i think my rude behaviour to which i already said sorry to you. 221.132.119.116 (talk) 13:03, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Non-Existent Statute

Well, I tried the same search as you did. They might have meant 43 USC 223, which is what they said, which is part of a repealed section having to do with homesteading of public land. Maybe they should be sent to set up a radio station on federal land using a law that is no longer on the books. They might have meant 47 USC 223, which may have to do with obscene phone calls, which at least probably does involve federal prison. Thank you to User:NinjaRobotPirate, User:CaptainEek, and User:Willsome429. Anyway, the user no longer exists. Maybe they should use the radio station, which presumably does exist, to call for help to get out of the prison that they are not in. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Haha, Robert McClenon. Yeah, 47 USC 223 was my guess, too, but I wasn't entirely sure what the obscenity was in this scenario; the closest part of that clause that seemed relevant was the one related to harassment (since new users, SPAs, and the like have a habit of equating "I'm not getting my way and people are warning me to comply with policies" with "I'm being harassed"), but even that seemed a bit far-fetched...

Interestingly, my own university's radio station, which I doubt is more notable than the one that was draftified here, has an article. I wonder if it's time for another AfD...M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 23:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Zainab Shabir

Hi M Imtiaz how are you, we have a conversation earlier regarding addition of Urdu languages to Pakistani articles. Will you please see the mentioned article as google sources [2], [3] called her "Zainab Shabbir" but title is wrongly written as "Zainab Shabir" which is pronounced as شابیر in Urdu but her sur name is شبیر. Also she has the instagram page which is named as Zainab Shabbir [4]. I rectified the name in the page but dont know how to changed the main title, will you please do something? 221.132.119.87 (talk) 15:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello,  Done. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 15:40, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank You for responding. Yes its done Thankx 221.132.119.87 (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

No problem. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 15:45, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

List of deleted articles

I think this might be what you were asking for at AN?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:42, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, ThatMontrealIP, that helps somewhat, but the problem is that many of the pages I'm looking for were created not under the original account, but with their various socks (hence the G5 deletions). What I was looking for at AN was a list of all of these (although I understand if that's not technically possible).

You did just give me an idea, though: I could write a script that looks through Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Pakistanpedia and Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Pakistanpedia, then looks at that page you linked for each one. If I don't get an adequate response at AN, I might end up doing just that. Thanks again! M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 03:48, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Holy smokes! That is a lot of sockpuppets!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:24, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Wishing you a smooth recovery!

Saw the mention on AN/I, just wanted to say I hope you feel better soon.

Schazjmd (talk) 19:36, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Schazjmd :-) I truly appreciate the kind words. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 19:38, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

May Allah grant you full shifa.VR _talk 05:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

VR آمين :-) جزاكم الله خيرا M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 14:31, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Comment

As a Muslim, I sympathize with this comment. There's so much stuff on Wikipedia contrary to WP:NPOV, the hook was hardly problematic by comparison.VR _talk 05:05, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, brother VR, that was the source of my confusion as well. Nobody usually cares about respecting Islam or making sure its adherents aren't offended... yet somehow this hook was an exception? Glad to see that someone agrees with me lol, الحمد لله. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 14:33, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks, Pahunkat, just replied :-D M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 00:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Replied again - sorry for the delay :-) Pahunkat (talk) 19:26, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

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It seems to be a very difficult source to locate, especially given the Covid restrictions. Now that you have it, we can always come to you if there are other questions about. So no, thanks a lot again and that IP account for closely following this. Kanatonian (talk) 03:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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Recently most of my edits on countries that have been in the border of Afghanistan and I was wondering if changing the meaning of the category to not have all of the pages be Afghan states but countries that have laid in the border, would that keep them from being reverted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bvcitizen (talk • contribs) 07:47, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Bvcitizen, yes, I think so, but only if the category is renamed. Since there are people who are voting for it to be deleted instead, I can't say either way how it will turn out. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 19:32, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Yeah I was thinking of changing my bit to deletion so I could fix my mistake and thanks for your opinion. Bvcitizen (talk) 00:40, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

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Before writing edit summaries like If you can't be bothered to read the sources, see WP:CIR. and other similar stuff, you need to see if you deal with a new/inexperienced editor or not; especially when you don't know anything about that user and their contributions. Have you ever seen my edits on the same/similar topics? I may made a mistake and you could just clarified it in a much better way. We are not error-free beings. Wario-Man ^talk 05:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Wario-Man, I apologise for my remarks. That said, I hope you can understand why it would be rather frustrating that people were continuously modifying that section against consensus while a discussion was underway. Admittedly, I myself made a similar mistake earlier, but I also self-reverted in less than 90 seconds (and at the time where the discussion had started but hadn't really come to life).

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