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CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:00, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

• User:CASSIOPEIA, I disagree. There was already enough sourcing to indicate notability, and finding a few more was easy. Florida man, it's live. Thanks for writing up the draft. There's more material in the source I found for you to expand it some; good luck. Drmies (talk) 05:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Drmies Greetings. My review based on the lack of significant coverage independent reliable sources that talk "directly about the subject (book) in "length and in dept" from the sources provided. It was not a rejection but declined to get the creator to provide additional sources. I understand you disagree with me however I appreciate your comments. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 05:29, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Despite its title, the Bartleby.source was entirely about the book and the NYT obit was headlined as "author of ..". A bestselling novel seems to me to be notable. If I create the work I'm told the creator is what's notable of I work on the creator a la Joel Silberg I'm told it's his work that's notable. Chicken or the egg. Both seem notable to me. FloridaArmy (talk) 05:34, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Hmm don't overstate it, Florida man--the "Bartleby source" was just the introduction to their (no doubt abbreviated) edition of the book; in that sense it's no different from a blurb and I would not cite that as a reference. Cassopeia, I think this is already enough to qualify: best-known book by a notable author. Wow--the author died of insomnia?? Anyway, thanks to both of you--the one for reviewing drafts, the other for writing them. Thanks also to Yngvadottir and Milowent. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Not really sure what you're talking about User:Drmies. The book in the Bartleby source is a reference work including a synopsis and criticism of successful and important works of literature. I'm not sure what "edition" of the book being described you think they reissued but feel to link to it. FloridaArmy (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Bartleby is not a reference work; it's a website that reproduces texts that are out of copyright. See Bartleby.com. This particular text is from an anthology published by Reader's Digest, see Reader's_Digest#Books, as is identified in the heading: "C.D. Warner, et al., comp. The Library of the World’s Best Literature. An Anthology in Thirty Volumes. 1917. H. R. Keller. The Reader’s Digest of Books." (That's Helen Rex Keller, who probably deserves an article.) It is thus not a secondary source: the note you are reading on the Bartleby website is a primary source, the short introduction to the book written by the Reader's Digest editors. I'm surprised you don't know these books, or the Reader's Digest Select Editions--maybe you're too young. We had lots of them at home, typically four abbreviated novels in one book. And there's no "criticism" in it, which is why it really qualifies as a blurb. Drmies (talk) 01:01, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I understand you are confused User:Drmies. Bartleby does indeed republish books in the public domain. They republished The Library of the World’s Best Literature in this case. Bartleby is not the source, the book they are republishing from 1897 edited by C.D. Warner is. It is a book of synopses. It is not an intro to a republished work. From the intro "THE FOLLOWING Synopses of books have been made in order to carry out the purpose of a reference book." I hope this explanation helps alleviate your misunderstanding. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:12, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I think you're also getting mixed up by the words reader's digest of books. The Readers Digest series of condensed books wasn't started until 1921. So that's something different. see here. FloridaArmy (talk) 02:20, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Wait. You think a collection of synopses is a reliable, secondary source containing criticism? There's no "criticism" in that blurb. And I didn't say this was from the Reader's Digest Select Editions. I hope you will be more discerning next time; I disagree with User:CASSIOPEIA's final assessment, but not with every point they made. Drmies (talk) 15:19, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

<outdent> You linked to Reader's Digest Select Select Editions just above and said the source was the "short introduction to the book written by the Reader's Digest editors." Why lie? "The romantic atmosphere and the ideal cast of these two leading characters make the fiction very attractive; and the fresh picturesque descriptions of pioneer life in Kentucky give the tale historical value." Certainly reads like a critical assessment to me. You were wrong. No need to triple down on it. Enough time wasting with ignorant nonsense. Please don't post to my page again. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:30, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Hallaca

Hi, Florida,

I see you reverted my changes to Hallaca. Here is why I think my changes are better and the revert should be undone. I'm going through them in order so please refer to the "Hallaca: Difference between revisions" page in order to follow my explanations below.

1. Cornmeal is not corn flour. I totally agree. If people go out and buy cornmeal, they will not end up with hallacas. They need to buy "masa" or corn flour. Corn meal is more like sand and is used for cornbread and I don't know what else.

1. Hallaca is singular; therefore it should be compared to "pastel", not "pasteles".
2. "Like some Mexican tamales": I deleted this because it was too American-centric to me, as in Americans will understand the Mexican tamale reference, but what about Belizeans, the English, Canadians, and Australians? In fact, in my experience, tamales from Guatemala to Peru are wrapped in banana leaves. It doesn't make sense to single out one cuisine.
3. "In the Dominican Republic, known as Pasteles <--no capital needed and should be in italics| en hojas <--italics needed| made from ground plantains or guanimos made with cornflour <--This takes the reader to "cornmeal," not "corn flour", which is confusing because hallacas and tamales are not made with cornmeal| stuffed with ground beef or chicken;<--This is not a sentence; there is no verb.|
4. in Trinidad and Tobago, it is known as pastelle, as in Puerto Rico, known as "pastel" and made with a green plantain, green banana, squash and root vegetables or boniato dough."<--This sentence is poorly worded because there is no parallel structure. Florida, I don't how much of a writer you are, but I'm an editor and English teacher. If I'm using too much English teacher jargon, please let me know. Please don't read that as if I think I'm superior or being sarcastic. I'm being sincere but trying to get this done in a hurry because I have many class reports to write.
5. "In the Dominican Republic, it is known as pastel en hojas ("cake in leaves") when it is made from ground plantains or guanimos when made with corn flour stuffed with ground beef or chicken." That was my change, and it could have been better. I would change "when made with corn flour stuffed" to "when made with corn flour and stuffed". I think I would take out the reference to "guanimos" because this article is not meant to teach readers Venezuelan Spanish.
6. "... it is known as pastelle, as in Puerto Rico, known as "pastel" and made with a green plantain, green banana, squash and root vegetables or boniato dough." Made with "a green plantain, green banana"? Not good. You use more than one plantain usually, and I don't think it's normal to combine green plantain with green banana. I live in Costa Rica and have lived in Uganda, so I have some experience with tropical cuisine. And what is boniato dough? In my edit, I tried to clarify.
7. "... the delicate corn dough made with consommé or broth and pork fat (manteca) colored with annatto or "onto"." Okay, if there's a big difference between consommé and broth, my bad for reducing them down to "broth.". Why are we using the term "pork fat"? It's called lard. So why does the article mention "manteca" (a Spanish word) and direct the reader to "lard"? It's nice to know Spanish, but I don't think this Wikipedia page should try to teach people Spanish. I fixed that. I try to use English as much as possible and only revert to another language if it's useful or necessary (IMHO of course). Again, why do readers need to know the word "onto"? Leave that in the Spanish Wikipedia.
8. Why is the article referring to "maize" instead of "corn"? "Maize" is British English, and this is about una comida americana (a food from the Americas), so I believe the Wikipedia standard is to use American English regarding topics from the Americas. I was trying to standardize the English. Readers from all over the world read this article and they might get the impression that "maize" is a well-known word in the U.S. It's not - except for that Mazola oil commercial years ago.
9. the word comes from an aboriginal language of the West of the country, whose meaning is "wrapping" or "bojote": My wording was concise and avoided "bojote." Again, why do readers need to learn Spanish terms for everything? It's nice but not necessary. Also, "bojote" is one of those words used in a few Spanish-speaking countries (five according to WordReference) and has four different meanings depending on where it is used. Not necessary.
10. "Trinidad, which is just 7 miles from Venezuela's east coast hallacas are called pastelle." This is not a sentence. I fixed it.
11. "it is called 'ayaca' or 'ayaka'." I changed this to "it is spelled 'ayaca' or 'ayaka'." I hope you agree that my version is better. Let me point out that in Spanish, "ayaka" and "ayaca" are pronounced exactly the same, so people are not "calling" them different things.

Florida, I could go on, but I hope you have read this and will consider reverting your "undo" to my edits. I made these edits very carefully and I'm really sad to see someone thinks they don't improve the article. I'm going to make hallacas with my Venezuelan friend and English student in a few weeks, and I wanted her to see a better version of this article in English. Best, DBlomgren (talk) 03:51, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. You've brough up a lot of issues I don't have a problem with. As the hallaca is a tamale style entity it seems worth mentioning tamales in the article. I rempved the word "Mexican" as per your point. As far as the type of flour used you are certainly.correct that it isn't a coarse corn meal. Os this the flour used? It is referred to as corn meal on the package. Perhaps that's a translation issue. I also see masa sometimes used? The dish varies. Is it always precooked corn flour? Or Masa? Or finely ground coen meal? Does the name of the ingredient depend on the region? We are a global encyclopedia so variants need to be included and explained. We should go by the best sources. P.A.N. the Venezuelan national brand calls it corn meal but you wamt to call it something else. It doesn't matter to me as long as we are accurate. FloridaArmy (talk) 04:36, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

I would avpid oncluding lots of information on dishes that are not hallacas unless they relate to hallacas and preferably ypu jave a source cpvering their relation to hallacas. Accompaniments for examples. You seem to me to be including dishes that are not hallacas in the article on hallacas. This gets confusing when there are already variants on hallacas and how they are served and what they are accompanoed with. Other dishes that aren't hallacas and don't relate to hallacas should be covered in thwir own articles. FloridaArmy (talk) 04:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

• Corn flour redirects to a disambiguation page where the correct item is cornmeal. And the article on cornmeal notes that: "In the United States, very finely ground cornmeal is referred to as corn flour. But treats ot as part of the same subject. I see several recipes use the wprding corn flour and that seems accurate to me but there is no separate article on corn flour. Maybe you want it to say "finely ground corn meal known as corn flour in the U.S." I don't know. (FloridaArmy (talk) 04:43, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Oh, good, we're getting on the same page. I think some of your objections have to do with what was in the article when I found it. The cornmeal translation is an example of how things get mistranslated (similar to assuming "tamale" is the singular of "tamales"). I'm still trying to convince Costa Ricans that what they call limones are limes, not lemons, but 90 percent of the products in C.R. translate it as "lemons" due to non-native English-speaking teachers and assuming similar words mean the same. I like your "finely ground corn meal" idea. I'll work on the article some more. DBlomgren (talk) 18:10, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

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Preaching to the Choir

Thanks for creating The Choir Invisible. Another red link gone from Publishers Weekly list of bestselling novels in the United States in the 1890s!. Maybe worth adding an external link to a full copy? [1] (source for finding good scan of front cover too?)--Milowent • ^hasspoken 16:01, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

That's a very interesting list. Thanks for sharing it. I had considered adding a cover photo as the age of the book I think puts the artwork in the public domain. Interesting that it is a stylized design and I'm not finding illustrations across any of the many many many editions. The poem the title draws on is fun too. Classic Wikipedia that we had an article on the rock band that uses the name but nothing on the poem where the name originated or the bestselling book that was inspired by it. Rock on. Maybe the band's name is coincidental? FloridaArmy (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

• Any artwork is definitely in the public domain from then, but I don't see any either! Looks like the Eliot poem came out in 1867, it has to have inspired the band name, I guess Eliot's poetry is mostly ignored today. I haven't read any James Lane Allen, but my sense is that he is not very enticing to modern readers. I did read Tom Grogan by Francis Hopkinson Smith a few years ago, the #1 best seller of 1896, and liked it a lot. BTW, if you think a novel is notable and is in the top 10 bestsellers list for a year, I'm not sure you need to start with "drafts", unless you have some special ruling that applies to you.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 16:45, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Mamy of those books look great. Yes, I have a restriction against mainspace creations because I created too mamy articles as well as a prohibition against AfD participation becaise I was able to rescue too many notable subjects. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:16, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

You do excellent work. Dumb restrictions. I'm happy to assist in overturning those. I went through and accepted most of the ones stuck in AfC. There are so many it's hard to keep track. Legacypac (talk) 17:55, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

• Yes, and there are some pretty serious disadvantages to working in Draftspace. But it is what it is. I am very thankful for the assistance. I think these articles are interesting and ediying, so hopefully someone somewhere will get some enjoyment out of knowing more about the people, places, buildings, artwork, history, and historic photographs that color our world. And I trust the subjects will eventually be expanded on by those with more expertise.and familiarity with the topics.than I possess.FloridaArmy (talk) 19:53, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
• Greetings, Legacypac. Before you assess the restrictions placed on FloridaArmy as "dumb" you should perhaps familiarize yourself with the history and the reasons behind them. For what it's worth, I'll testify that the restrictions have helped improve FloridaAmy's contributions and, thus, Wikipedia as a whole. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 05:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

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Auld Lang Syne

Rereading your edits - perhaps I was a little gruff - you change the actual meaning of the text less that it appeared from a quick glance at the "difference". The original text of the article is still worth preserving at this point however. Burns' poems very often draw on folk song lyrics (to varying degrees) but it is more helpful, as a rule, as well as more in accordance with the wider consensus in this particular case, to call it a "poem" in the first instance, and then go to its possible (probable?) folk derivation after. We do not have the "old song" referred to by Burns himself - although we can reasonably infer its existence because of "similar" poems that resemble Burns', and look as if they all draw on a common source. Your edit (giving it the benefit of a careful reading this time) seems to obscure this rather than clarify it. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 11:40, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Auld Lang Syne is a folk song that predates Burns by a couple hundred years. As the article notes the opening and chorus were already documented many decades before he composed his version of them. To give.the impression that he created Auld Lang Syne is just weird. An option would be to disamboguate the folk song from his poem / ballad. But certainly he did not create Auld Lang Syne and stating that he did anything other than create an enduring version in an article about the subject is misleading. FloridaArmy (talk) 12:24, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

There very possibly was a folk song behind Burns' poem. There is a folk song behind most of Burns' work actually - that's how he worked. The folk song is not, however, the subject of the article - Burn's poem is. Very important to establish at the outset what we are talking about. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

I have taken the liberty of moving this discussion to the talk page --Soundofmusicals (talk) 20:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

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Draft:Arthur H. Noyes

LOL, thanks for taking that on as well. So what is your story? You seem to create articles at a voracious pace, they may on average be less complete than something I'd normally create, but I'm a firm believer in every article being subject to improvement, and having an article is often better than having a redlink on a notable subject to get started. E.g., you created The Princess Aline and as I helped expand it, I was shocked to find out how much was out there about it, genuinely interesting stuff. Cheers.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 19:42, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Just trying to build a better encyclopedia. Often I stumble on subjects peripheral so what I'm actually working on but try to at least get them started. Auld Lang Syne is an interesting one. Currently there is only an article on the popular song / poem Auld Lang Syne.

As far as Noyes, I had been working on some Alaska subjects and came across him. So it was amusing to see him noted on your user page. I had started Draft:R.N. Stevens previously. FloridaArmy (talk) 21:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

See also User talk:FloridaArmy/Archive 6#Alaska drafts/articles FloridaArmy (talk) 21:22, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

• I couldn't even remember where I ran across Noyes until checking back to this thread. I had just read The Spoilers (Beach novel) at the time, which I found surprising good, and wrote the book article. Like someone googling a movie today to see if it is based on real events, I found the bad guys the book was based on!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:08, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for leaving me that note this afternoon. Unfortunately, I haven't had much interest in United States federal judiciary articles for one reason: there are a small group of editors with an extreme WP:OWN complex over that subject area, with their intent being to make Wikipedia a mirror of the Federal Judicial Center website and vice-versa. Most of them spend far more time challenging and reverting the contributions of others than contributing anything themselves. In the course of that, there were discussions in which they attempted to assert that pre-statehood federal judges are non-notable, even though many of the pre-statehood judges in Alaska held other notable positions such as serving in state legislatures. It's just another subset of a greater problem of people creating their own rules to stand in the way of those attempting to improve the encyclopedia (see WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY).

Anyway, available sources on Noyes are a bit slim. The biographical sketch in Who's Who in Alaskan Politics is pretty slight compared to other entries, though it does cover the basics. Most of the material in that book was compiled by R. N. DeArmond through the course of his employment at the Alaska State Library, with a caveat found in the book's intro that derogatory material was deliberately left out. That is a significant point if you're familiar with the state of journalism in the late 19th and early 20th century compared with today. DeArmond's co-author, Evangeline Atwood, wrote Frontier Politics: Alaska's James Wickersham, also published by Binford & Mort two years later. I only obtained a copy fairly recently and therefore haven't had time to give it a thorough read. She gives a fair amount of space to Noyes, because Wickersham and another future member of Congress, Key Pittman, were among those tasked with cleaning up the mess made by the McKenzie/Noyes conspiracy. For the most part, Atwood characterizes Noyes as a drunkard and incompetent. She also implies that the McKenzie/Noyes conspiracy involved multiple members of the Senate with close ties to the McKinley administration, including McKinley's closest political ally Mark Hanna. There are lots of details in the book to absorb, but here's one I wanted to mention right now:

Judge Noyes was found guilty of contempt by the circuit court in January, 1902 and fined $1,000; a month later, President Theodore Roosevelt removed him from the bench. He returned to his former home in Baraboo, Wisconsin and died the following May from a hemorrhage of the lungs.

Considering that, I dunno where you came up with a death date of 1915.

As for B. B. Dobbs (any relation to J. R. "Bob" Dobbs?), several years ago, I scanned a bunch of stuff from the 1905 book Nome and Seward Peninsula and the later Alaska-Yukon Magazine, both published by Edward Sanford Harrison. As they are 600 dpi scans of paper sources, they don't appear to be as high quality as the other stuff I saw in that draft. I see there's a Commons category created in September, so I'll keep that in mind for when I get around to uploading that stuff (speaking of burdensome, ever deal with the upload interfaces on Commons?). RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:17, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Postscript: It's funny that I went to the draft and the first source was a NYT blurb which mentioned Melville Cox Brown. Some while back, there was another WP:OWN editor attempting to throw rules at me in asserting that Brown wasn't notable, with unclear reasoning besides not adhering to those rules. His profile in Who's Who in Alaskan Politics is literally a list of accomplishments a mile long. I've been consistently critical of AFC for easily seven or eight years, but at least you appear to have found a clear means to obtain feedback and help, even though some of the stuff which makes it into article space is incoherent as an article because it's really a series of sentences tied together solely by the existence of citations at the end. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:40, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

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He blanked it for deletion. No worries. Legacypac (talk) 03:35, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Tagishsimon, thanks very much for the note. I was given a restriction that I am not allowed to create mainspace articles because I created too many incomplete articles. I am also banned from AfD space (except for a single comment of one of my own articles is nomonat) after I participated in a lot of deletion discussions and helped save lots of articles on notable subjects. I would prefer to be able to work in mainspace. Going back and forth to draftspace can get a bit tricky, links don't show up properly which can lead to errors, and it makes my work significantly more cumbersome and complicated. I also like having the assistance and attention that work in mainspace brings (collaboration) but I was told I was taking up too much page reviewer time. A lot of subjects got dragged to deletion discussions. It is what it is and I am trying to make the best of it. FloridaArmy (talk) 15:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)

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A book published by the University of Florida about him and his photographs doesn't establish his notability? What would? FloridaArmy (talk) 21:57, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

A book published by the University of Florida is a great sign of notability....and? pretty much sums what I think here. I find it doubtful there is nothing to be expanded on with additional sources here in books coverage. With this state (possibly not even stub worthy) and sourcing (I have rarely, rarely seen articles with a single reference holding up well). Alvan probably *is* notable, that is for sure, but needs more work in my opinion. If someone else wants to publish this to mainspace, please do it if you wish. I know Wikipedia is a work in progress, but this is really too bare for me. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:04, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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• Hello, FA, I now have new page reviewer rights, and lo and behold my first one I clicked on to check out was one of yours. You know how to write articles, so it would also be nice if you could clean up the references to remove bare URLS. Frankly, I think that also improves the chances of other submissions being approved. When a draft has unfinished refs, it can make reviewers question the content as well. Happy writing!--Milowent • ^hasspoken 18:19, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

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Florida history

Thanks for starting James Gettis among others. Do you know anything about "Captain Bill" Kendrick? He seems a fascinating character. Also, any help on W. B. Henderson would be appreciated. Cheers. Cake (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

User:MisterCake, William H. Kendrick is certainly notable as a state senator, lecturer and pioneer. Unfortunately Google Books sources.seem limited to snippet views. Not sure what "political disabilities" refers to "William+h.+kendrick"+sumter+county&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNsc3YxqzfAhVOh-AKHdlyBZ0Q6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q="William%20h.%20kendrick"%20sumter%20county&f=false here? Happy to be of assistance if you start it. Not Tampa centered, but Draft:Truman Futch might interest you. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:49, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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Fixed. FloridaArmy (talk) 13:30, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Ways to improve Benjamin Franklin Upton

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Payne Midyette has been accepted

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Ollie Gilbert (December 22)

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Theroadislong (talk) 17:15, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

I am resubmitting. longstanding consensus has held that an entry in an existing encyclopedia establishes notability. FloridaArmy (talk) 18:17, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Azariah Graves (December 23)

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KylieTastic (talk) 19:48, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Why not? FloridaArmy (talk) 19:54, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

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Legacypac (talk) 21:03, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Your thread has been archived

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DYK for Point of Graves Burial Ground

On 22 December 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Point of Graves Burial Ground, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the victim of the first published account of a house fire in America can be found at the Point of Graves in Portsmouth, New Hampshire? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Point of Graves Burial Ground), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Maile (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks. Others have done most of the work on that article. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:06, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Barnstars and awards are not a zero sum game. When Wikipedia succeeds, it is often the product of collaboration. You did more than enough. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:04, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I recall someone tried to delete that page - now it's a DYK :) Legacypac (talk) 20:08, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it actually rose to the level of an WP:AFD; just some musing on the page, I guess. But I do so many of these that they tend to merge and become cloudy in memory. We're well past that, now.  7&6=thirteen (☎) 20:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

<outdent> I think it's a great subject. Interesting in all sort of ways. i especially like the color and design of some of the gravestones. I'm not sure why some of the most interesting tidbits are included as notes rather than in the body but I am happy they are included and that the article exists and has been greatly improved. Merry Christmas and Haopy Holidays!!! FloridaArmy (talk) 00:00, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: H. J. Goetzman (December 24)

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Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:39, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Also, to add to this, Goetzman seems fairly notable. It is just that the draft is written in a confusing way, especially the first sentence. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 17:56, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

Jovanmilic97, as I was working on it, sources and the photos themselves indicated that the studio was very much a partnership. If you think it should focus more on him or be retitled or edited in some other way feel free to go ahead and do so. I agree the subject is notable and am always sad to see notable and interesting content that meets inclusion criteria languish in draftspace. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:02, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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CNMall41 (talk) 17:33, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

You may want to add more categories as I just added it to Seminole Wars. Also, I am not sure if you are aware, but there is a script that helps fill bare references which can do wonders when creating new pages. You can find it here (works on draft pages too). --CNMall41 (talk) 17:37, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks User:CNMall41. I have tried categorizing in the past and didn't have much success. I do try to use the reffill tool althoigh I will say that the raw links sometimes onclude highlighting that makes source checking easier. The quality of the autoformatted citations is unfortunately sometimes lacking. FloridaArmy (talk) 00:05, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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Legacypac (talk) 05:57, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Re: Draft:Telogia Creek

I just made some edits to Draft:Telogia Creek as part of reviewing it. One key reference on AWS is a dead link. Is this the document you were trying to reference? A few unsourced statements also need to be fixed. Otherwise, it is ready to be published. Thank you for your contributions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:10, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Gene93k, yes, that's the source. FloridaArmy (talk) 04:07, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Daniel A. Vogt has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Daniel A. Vogt. Thanks! Otr500 (talk) 14:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)